The ATF Makes Millions of Pistols Illegal - New ATF Pistol Brace Rule
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2023
- This I know will be an unpopular and unpleasant topic but needs to be addressed. On January 31st The ATF published the ruling relating to pistol braced equipped firearms, there is up to an estimated 7 million of these. That is a large number that are all affected and could potentially make felons out of Americans who own these items legally, were purchased legally and are subject to this new rule. We talk about the rule, what it affects, and the remedies one has available.
Sound off in the comments about the new ATF pistol brace rule, making millions of legally purchased pistols now illegal. Who has read it and what do you think?
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This is ridiculous. There are enough braced AR's in country to be considered "in common use".
Two law suits already filed in Federal court in North Texas. Just hold the line.
ATF doesn't write the laws so to hell with them.
Your right. They make rules and regulations and are allowed to do that as Congress gave them that power through the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. § 551). The rule or regulation carries the same force of law it was written to implement or interpret.
If the EPA can’t do this, neither should the ATF. Allow this to stand and it opens up a way of circumventing Congress by other agencies. This is overreach by the executive branch.
I just got back into firearm ownership this past year…various firearms, CCP, etc. This was the most informative discussion I have found on this ruling. I no desire to have a brace, but your point is valid for places that can’t have SBRs. I now live in VA. I have an MSR and want to get a 300 blackout upper (shorter barrel) and a suppressor. Probably this Xmas or next Spring. Thanks so much for the content.
Bought and sold as a pistol with a brace and thats what its staying as.
This rule is patently unconstitutional in light of NYSRPA v Bruen.
It will be a historic miscarriage of justice if it is not vacated, or at the very least, enjoined.
Thank you!
It’s just ridiculous. All these products go through an ATF letter process before they even manufacture them. I wish I could think of anything product wise, but I can’t.
Deputies aren't the only law enforcement out there. Also, sheriff depts usually don't enforce federal law.
When they come to your home to steal from you, find out where they live and visit them back.
The ATF has no authority to waive any taxes.
This is a trap
Per the following court decisions I see alot of illegal laws. Congress does not have the power to pass laws that override the Constitution. (Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137)
2. It is unconstitutional to require a precondition on the exercising of a right. (Guinn v. US 1915; Lane v. Wilson 1939)
3. It is unconstitutional to require a license, i.e., government permission, to exercise a right. (Murdock v. PA 1943; Lowell v. City of Griffin 1939; Freedman v. MD 1965, Near v. MN 1931; Miranda v. AZ 1966)
4. If the State tries to convert a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity. (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, AL 373 U.S. 262)
5. It is unconstitutional to delay the exercising of a right. (Org. for a Better Austin v. Keefe 1971)
6. It is unconstitutional to charge a fee for the exercising of a right. (Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections 1966)
7. It is unconstitutional to register, i.e., record in a government database, the exercising of a right. (Thomas v. Collins 1945; Lamont v. Postmaster General 1965; Haynes v. US 1968)
I also don’t realize why this ruling is even in place. I keep seeing these rules more impacting to legal firearm owners. We need better rules for who can/should have a gun and agree on what those rules should be.
Wasn't the original like 293 pages? Sorry if you say it near the end. Were the pages in the announcement just pictures and those are separate from the total pages? Or did they remove a bunch of stuff from the published rule?
none of the laws make sense. a brace is illegal but a regular stock is not? Whey do they care if a rifle is 16" or 14"? $200 in 1934 is = to $4200 now.
what we need to know is...which gun are included and have pictures of them...maybe those most popular or the ones sold the most...
Might as well order a full auto trigger group and add that 3rd pin and auto sear.
Hey Dave, I may have missed it, but did they say anything about just a buffer tube with a foam sleeve?
The buffer tube is currently in debate as it is still “readily” able to accept a stock or brace
If one was to go the route of Form-1/SBR-ing their firearm, would this SBR would have to be owned "individually" or as part of a "trust" like suppressors or other NFA items. Correct??
I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take this as legal advice, but there is mixed information. My best suggestion would be to use the E form application and try to proceed as a trust if that is something you are interested in.
Take time to pin and weld... Its cheaper, no registration
how do you find out how many hand gun extensions were sold? did you really think millions? I cant imagine that while short rifles are considered illegal a handgun made into a short type of weapon would have a different result. why would someone think that?
No NFA weapons or suppressors in those states.
Amen 🙏🏽
it says remove... piece of cake until the final word by scotus that tells them to Brace themselves for another @$$ ramming
If it's illegal to make a pistol out of a rifle, isn't it illegal to make a pistol out of an SBR (rifle) by removing the brace? ATF makes no sense!
Alright so this guy had a cz scorpion evo 3 with the folding brace on it. Anyone know the ruling on that
Why the ATF thinks they need to regulate the length of barrels on a firearm and what kind of stocks they can have or not have is a mystery to me anyway.
Meanwhile teens in Chicago are running around with glocks with switches that make them full auto and the ATF is nowhere to be found.
Any rule or unconstitutional law is completely null
The atf made a rule only congress can make law . Change my mind
Okay. Congress also gave government agencies the ability to make rules and regulations to implement and interpret laws passed by Congress through the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. § 551). The rule or regulation carries the same force of law it was written to implement. Your move...
Is mpx k illegal
If you read the document... the department disagrees with every objection... and makes it a felony... These rules were made without a vote of the people... Or their elected representatives... Taxation without representation.... 2nd amendment shall not be infringed...
I haven’t heard anyone talking about what if you live in a non NFA State??
Then if you submit you will be disapproved they said if you can’t own NFA items.
I mentioned it in the video but the short answer is you are out of luck and have to remove the brace or swap barrels
So can u register a stribog or scorpion with a brace as sbr or not at all
They should ban pistol buffer tubes instead
Check the Yankee Marshals videos and the Texas gun vault videos they explain it pretty well. Basically 922r applies to importers and there's really no way they can determine exactly how many US made parts you have so you should be able to. But do your homework and consult a firearms atty if you need to
When the ATF makes laws, and congress agrees they make laws now because of some new bill they passed into law stating the ATF makes laws now, ill buy into it. Till then, they can GTH.
Then you've never read the Administrative Procedure Act (5 U.S.C. § 551). Congress gave government agencies the ability to make rules and regulations to implement and interpret laws passed by Congress. The rule or regulation carries the same force of law it was written to implement.
Yes we all know about the brace but let's talk about the vague language involving buffer tubes and the surface area issue or having the ability to shoulder the firearm in their wording so where does this leave AR pistol owners who never owned a pistol brace but just have a buffer tube
You're fine the buffer tube is integral to the function of the firearm.
Question for you: you are a police officer, or a former police officer based off of the patches behind you, so would you not have backed up an ATF agent who is executing a warrant based off of these kind of things? Would you have refused to comply with a superior police officer in your organization who ordered you to arrest someone for having an unregistered NFA item?
I think as far as firearm dealers go I think they'd be better off getting a bunch of cheap yet alright quality 16 inch barrels and paying someone to change out all the barrels. I may be underestimating the cost of labor to change all those though. I feel like the AR pistol market is going to be much less lucrative after this. I just don't get what the point of an SBR law is since if criminals want an easily concealable firearm they'll just buy a handgun. I doubt this law will make a single bit of difference in anything other than restricting law abiding citizens.
They are selling these now with pistol buffer tubes, which I haven’t seen since like more than 10 years ago.
what does adopting the markings mean
The markings currently on the gun, usually if you register an SBR you have mark it with your info
@GUNS & TACTICS thankyou
Rule are set in Games, like Mother May I ?
The ATF did a seminar today clearing up some questions especially about just take the brace off…Sootcho did a QA on the topic
So is that something that satisfies the atf by just taking the brace off and you’re good?
Yes, be a good little boy
@@bryansloan8417 from another video of someone who went to a seminar the gun needs the buffer tube to operate it is not a support piece so removing the brace makes it legal. BUT do not store the brace anywhere near the gun or it will be considered a SBR that was taken down.
Grow a set
“Sic Semper Tyrannis” - Death to tyrants
I live in a 2nd amendment sanctuary state!!! And 15 year veteran police officer and no SD or PD is going to assist and fed bois taking firearms from law abiding citizens!!!! PS in the state I live in a private citizen can use deadly force against any LE attempting to make an unlawful arrest, just saying. Semper Fidelis and SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM!!!!!!
I dont have a current SBR so would this be a good time to build one and get a free stamp?
or is this only for people who have a braced firearm?
Not a lawyer but I would say unless you already have a braced firearm they're gonna want the 200 and you can't build it until they give you permission like the normal rules.
Can you lie and say you do have a braced pistol only to actually install a stock once you get the free stamp?
if you had it before the 31st, yes i believe.
No you just put a stock on it.
This is another test to see who is a real patriot and who is just a keyboard warrior
i never wanted and still dont want a SBR , i wanted a ar-pistols in a straight wall for ohio deer hunting because a pistol can carry more than 3 rounds
So what
Luckily this doesn’t apply to people in Oklahoma. Oklahoma is a second amendment sanctuary!!! No law enforcement agency in Oklahoma will enforce this unlawful rule from the ATF.
How about Texas?
This will be first major test for the Oklahoma 2A sanctuary law. Some sheriff agencies including Oklahoma county and Tulsa County have said they won't enforce it.
Well maybe if we are lucky the aft will get their asses handed to them and if we are really lucky we get the nfa crushed
weeks ago dude....
But did you watch? Thanks for stopping by and taking the time to leave a comment. Appreciate it.
I liked it. I don't keep up with this type of news all the time.
All you have to do is take the brace off that's all that needs to be done and make sure the barrel is not over 10 1/2 inches or fill out your form 1 and then you can put on whatever type of stock you want. You have 120 days to file form and the fee for the tax stamp waived. Supposedly there's stuff in the court that was filed to overturn this ruling as well as some other b*******. If I were you I would take advantage of the free tax stamp so then that way you can have a short-barreled rifle legally and comfortable for you to shoot. I'm registering three of mine and helping a buddy register his cuz the tax stamp is free right now
Second
9:39 Leave those states. You are not living in America.
Braces do not have to be destroyed! Braces are legal. Dealers will not be able to sell the brace with the firearm. This would be intent. Again, braces will have to be removed but not destroyed.
I’m not sure why people can’t wrap their heads around the fact that braces are not illegal. You can purchase them all day long even today.
Yep, same as buttstocks. You only brake the rules if you put them on without the stamp. You can have 100s of them as long you dont get COUGHT with either in a shorted barrel.
@@MrSoonermadman You can, but you better not have an AR Pistol with a buffer tube that would accept the brace. Constructive intent will bite you.
No one whos smart cares. Carry on
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