If You look at the altitude, You will see that it is a valley ("dolac" is basically a valley), after climbing from the sea level to about 350m asl and then it goes down to Primorski Dolac (150m asl) and then back again up to Perković (250m asl). This segment (Labin Dalmatinski - Primorski Dolac) is actually the steepest part of the whole line.
Nice to see still those railways that have staff and managers present in the stations, In many European countries technologies have replaced human labor. The ancient values that made the railways great in Europe have been lost. Always a wonderful video and magnificent Croatian landscapes!
@@jonathanp896 Yes, but it is better this way, but unfortunately in Italy with the total diffusion of ERTMS and SCMT level1 and level2, signalling and preparation of routes and maneuver management is all centralized in regional control rooms and for the TAV a single direction for the entire network
Almost 20 years ago a project of signalling modernization (PZB with centralized control) was started, but it hasn't been finished yet (You can see on some stations new signals with "X" on them or just frames without lights). For a long period, trade unions opposed these projects as it would mean less jobs, but Croatian Railway has a huge problem with very aging workforce and nobody new wanting to do the job, so now they must finish the modernization as they won't have people to manage the stations.
Mr. Rail Relations, this was another wonderful vid. What a beautiful day, the weather was nice. I really enjoyed the scenery the most after Drns. But it was all good. It was less rocks and more agriculture. The snow-covered mountains near Knin are really beautiful. Thank you again for the enjoyable ride. I'm looking forward to part 2. I enjoy what you do here.
@roodiea.4911 thank you very much for your comment. I was lucky to have such a nice weather on this journey. As @zzelen already replied, there is a part 2 already published. And soon there will be part 3 of the journey available. I hope you will enjoy watching them as much as part 1. The countryside changes a lot along this line.
Beautiful video. This is the first time I see a "new" armoured train. I suppose that in summer trains and stations are not so empty. At certain points, the Dalmatian landscape recalls that of the Gargano, in Puglia
There were quite a lot of such improvisations at the begining of the 1991-1995 war as we were under arms embargo so various organizations (shipyard in this case) tried to build such improvisations - tractors converted to APCs and like. But with some captured and smuggled weapons they weren't actually needed.
Regarding the use of railways in war, there was an attempt by Serbian forces in 1993. with a waggon loaded with explosives sent downhill to Zadar but it got stopped by a anti-tank hedgehog at a tunnel before the city. Also they had their own armoured train with 40mm Bofors and a M-18 Hellcat tank loaded on the flat waggon.
It is bizarre we still have them, just maintaining the wire controls is complicated and probably more expensive then installing the new signalling. Even on this line You can see works on installation of new signalling which is ongoing for the last 20 years and still not finished.
Technology that is over 100 years old and that works reliably with a little regular maintenance. I myself have operated such old signal boxes here in Germany for many years.
From 1:21:50 you can see minefields that are apparently being cleared. Even almost 30 years after the war, it's still not over. 😐 And at Kosovo village: wonderful view of the Dinara massif.
@themazeRP hopefully they are cleared. I know it is complicated, but It is sad that it takes so many years. I don't know for Croatia, but I was recently speaking about Bosnia, in Mostar there are still mine fields left practically in the town.
My first visit to Croatia. For a few kilometres I was puzzled as to why a ferry port like Split was served by a single track railway. I suspect the reason lies in the heavy engineering needed to construct the track, very evident further in. I loved the staffed stations, with the stationmaster and his paddle.
I would say there was never that much traffic to require double-track as even in its peak it wasn't main port for Croatia (or previously Yugoslavia) and traffic wasn't that heavy. With the construction of highways most (passenger but also cargo) traffic moved to highways and the railway line has remained in bit of a sorry state (You can still see vintage signalling). There are some modernization plans (new signalling and track repairs) which should get the travel time Split-Zagreb to about 4,5 hours (from over 6 hours today).
On this part definitively, this is only railway link from Knin to Split. North of Knin You probably travelled on Una line ("unska pruga") as that was the mainline, while today (video published last week) trains travel on Lika line ("lička pruga").
@@ZvonimirZelenika Youre probably right I was just a little kid I was born here my mom in Split, I remember we took a Swissair 747 from JFK to Zurich and then a JAT Boeing 727 from Zurich to Zagreb and then a train from Zagreb to Split that took 6 hrs I was surprised they were still using steam locomotives.I dont remember much about the train trip other than people smoked so much I almost got sick.
Gore u Lici (od Gračaca do iza Perušića) je pruga građevinski ispeglana za 160km/h, ovdje južno od Knina bi se vjerojatno dio pruge mogao srediti barem za 120km/h. Današnje maksimalno ograničenje (100km/h) je radi nepostojanja modernog upravljanja prometom (SS-a), kojeg se ugrađuje zadnjih 20 godina ali nikako da se završi (u NPOO financiranju su osigurana sredstva pa bi to trebalo konačno završiti u slijedećih par godina). No veći problem od maksimalne brzine su brojna lokalna ograničenja (20-40km/h), neispravni ili neosigurani ŽCPR-ovi, skretnice u kolodvorima gdje se gubi jako puno vremena.
Can you make a border around the letters when labeling the stations or choose a different color. Half of the station names are almost unreadable. Thanks for Sharing.
Hmmm I tried to give you a link but it seems to be deleted immediately. Try to google „armoured train Split“. There is a very good site from Andrew Grantham. This train was built in 1991 by the shipyard Brodosplit in Split for the homeland war in Croatia.
Molto bello e interessante!, I paesaggi attraversati sono affascinanti nella loro inospitalità: sembra di essere fuori dal mondo! Ma a Knin l'elettrificazione l'hanno tolta o la stanno installando?
This was prepared electrification through line(now abandoned from croatia's side)) on 'unska pruga' which is on todays croatian&bosnian border. Just before the war '91. Never activated because of it.
Prekrasno putovanje. Sve sam prošao od Splita do Knina. Uživao sam, ali nisam platio kartu, molim vas oprostite mi! In english A wonderful trip. I went all the way from Split to Knin. I enjoyed it, but I didn't pay for the ticket, please forgive me!
@BON-wv8mg jo imam v mislih. Čez vikend je iz Maribora trenutno samo en vlak v nedeljo popoldne. Do nedavnega je prispel v Pliberk ponoči. V kratkem se bo zamenjal vozni red in bo lažje.
Una line was much shorter and better route for traffic comming from the east (via Novska or (Bosanski) Novi Grad) , difference on Zagreb-Split route isn't that large - 30km on 400km line. With upcoming modernization of Zagreb-Karlovac-Ogulin/Oštarije section and with modernization in Lika difference wouldn't be that big - as it name says, Una line follows the river - first Una and later Butižnica and it's quite curvy, though as a line it is better routed with only one major climb in stead of two (Malovan and Kapela).
Thank you very much for the video. Never realised how barren Croatia was till I saw this. Even in the middle of nowhere the so called Graffiti artist does his damage
Bonjour Baptiste j'aime bien train fait rêver de tout les cœur 💓❤️💓❤️ j'aime voyager en train fait rêver toujours paysages tres jolie adore boucoup 🎉🎉🎉🎉 belle amitié avec les trains j'aime chemin de fer fait rêver 🎉🎉 coucou et coucou ma Corrèze natale ville egletons région Limousin 🌹🌹🌹 nouvelle Aquitaine 💖💌💞💌💌 sentiments dévoués merci pour tout 💞💞💖💖 à bientôt Merci
@rockabilli3058 Ich habe es auf verschiedenen Computern getestet und einige Freunde gebeten, es zu überprüfen, und es gibt keine Probleme mit den Videos oder You Tube.
@nunziocalapai8897 the landscape while climbing up from the Adriatic coast to the mainland Croatia is splendid, and I had all the luck of a great, sunny winter day....
Komisch jetzt habe ich ein anderes Konto genommen und es klabt auch nicht mein Internet ist in Ordnung habe ausgemacht und wieder angemacht ,ist in Ordnung
The clouds visible around PRIMORSKI DOLAC are strange and beautiful !☁
thank you very much🥰
If You look at the altitude, You will see that it is a valley ("dolac" is basically a valley), after climbing from the sea level to about 350m asl and then it goes down to Primorski Dolac (150m asl) and then back again up to Perković (250m asl). This segment (Labin Dalmatinski - Primorski Dolac) is actually the steepest part of the whole line.
@@ZvonimirZelenika I understood why they generated those beautiful clouds. thank you so much.
Indeed nice to see human activity involved in running anything really!
@Tom-pz8lb I agree.
Nice to see still those railways that have staff and managers present in the stations, In many European countries technologies have replaced human labor. The ancient values that made the railways great in Europe have been lost. Always a wonderful video and magnificent Croatian landscapes!
@luigibrunomanzini253 thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them very much.
The stationmaster also usually operates the signalling at these small isolated stations, so getting rid of them is not possible.
@@jonathanp896 Yes, but it is better this way, but unfortunately in Italy with the total diffusion of ERTMS and SCMT level1 and level2, signalling and preparation of routes and maneuver management is all centralized in regional control rooms and for the TAV a single direction for the entire network
Kann kein Film sehen von euch .bleibt immer stehen .man hört nur das gereicht vom Zug undann wieder weg der Ton Bild bleibt stehen
Almost 20 years ago a project of signalling modernization (PZB with centralized control) was started, but it hasn't been finished yet (You can see on some stations new signals with "X" on them or just frames without lights). For a long period, trade unions opposed these projects as it would mean less jobs, but Croatian Railway has a huge problem with very aging workforce and nobody new wanting to do the job, so now they must finish the modernization as they won't have people to manage the stations.
So amazing, beautiful Journey
@pranowobaris94 winter journey.
Wonderful ride in the sunny day....its so relaxing to watch ...such a beautiful armoured train...never seen one ....👍👍👍
@kartikeyawalks6066 Glad you enjoyed it.
Panorama yg indah....👍👍👍🙏
@pakharmanto2104 👍
Mr. Rail Relations, this was another wonderful vid. What a beautiful day, the weather was nice. I really enjoyed the scenery the most after Drns. But it was all good. It was less rocks and more agriculture. The snow-covered mountains near Knin are really beautiful. Thank you again for the enjoyable ride. I'm looking forward to part 2. I enjoy what you do here.
Part 2 has already been published (as it's the nicest part of the whole trip with quite a lot of snow) - ruclips.net/video/i-WnP8MT86Y/видео.html
@roodiea.4911 thank you very much for your comment. I was lucky to have such a nice weather on this journey. As @zzelen already replied, there is a part 2 already published. And soon there will be part 3 of the journey available. I hope you will enjoy watching them as much as part 1. The countryside changes a lot along this line.
@Zvonimir Zelenika, thank you so much. I appreciate your help. Hope your day was blessed.
Awesome video ! I like it so much . Thank you for sharing . Happy Friday to you !
@nutier Thanks for the visit. Happy Friday to you too. Wishing you a nice and sunny day as in the video🙂
Beautiful !!
@KryniaM Many thanks!
Thank you for filming and uploading. Greetings from Germany 👍 (sorry for google translator) 😉
@wernerwn No worries! I use translator all the time. You are welcome.
@@RailRelaxation
Thanks 🙂
Stimmt doch alles.
@@themazeLE
Google sei Dank 😂
wonderful video
@KryniaM Thanks for the visit.
Beautiful video.
This is the first time I see a "new" armoured train.
I suppose that in summer trains and stations are not so empty.
At certain points, the Dalmatian landscape recalls that of the Gargano, in Puglia
There were quite a lot of such improvisations at the begining of the 1991-1995 war as we were under arms embargo so various organizations (shipyard in this case) tried to build such improvisations - tractors converted to APCs and like. But with some captured and smuggled weapons they weren't actually needed.
Regarding the use of railways in war, there was an attempt by Serbian forces in 1993. with a waggon loaded with explosives sent downhill to Zadar but it got stopped by a anti-tank hedgehog at a tunnel before the city. Also they had their own armoured train with 40mm Bofors and a M-18 Hellcat tank loaded on the flat waggon.
@@ZvonimirZelenika I understand. I did not know these aspects of that war, of which I remember only the services on Italian TV
Those manual distant signals are weird; just a board that tilts up and down. Must work for them, though!
It is bizarre we still have them, just maintaining the wire controls is complicated and probably more expensive then installing the new signalling. Even on this line You can see works on installation of new signalling which is ongoing for the last 20 years and still not finished.
Technology that is over 100 years old and that works reliably with a little regular maintenance. I myself have operated such old signal boxes here in Germany for many years.
wonderful!!
@wolfgangfuchs1243 Thank you! Cheers!
Sehr gut
@hansrichardnohrer2834 Danke.
From 1:21:50 you can see minefields that are apparently being cleared. Even almost 30 years after the war, it's still not over. 😐
And at Kosovo village: wonderful view of the Dinara massif.
@themazeRP hopefully they are cleared. I know it is complicated, but It is sad that it takes so many years. I don't know for Croatia, but I was recently speaking about Bosnia, in Mostar there are still mine fields left practically in the town.
My first visit to Croatia. For a few kilometres I was puzzled as to why a ferry port like Split was served by a single track railway. I suspect the reason lies in the heavy engineering needed to construct the track, very evident further in. I loved the staffed stations, with the stationmaster and his paddle.
@brucewilliams8714 I believe that this is a reason. The terrain to get to Split from mainland. is not easy at all.
I would say there was never that much traffic to require double-track as even in its peak it wasn't main port for Croatia (or previously Yugoslavia) and traffic wasn't that heavy. With the construction of highways most (passenger but also cargo) traffic moved to highways and the railway line has remained in bit of a sorry state (You can still see vintage signalling). There are some modernization plans (new signalling and track repairs) which should get the travel time Split-Zagreb to about 4,5 hours (from over 6 hours today).
took a train from zagreb to split back in the 70 probably on this very line
On this part definitively, this is only railway link from Knin to Split. North of Knin You probably travelled on Una line ("unska pruga") as that was the mainline, while today (video published last week) trains travel on Lika line ("lička pruga").
@@ZvonimirZelenika Youre probably right I was just a little kid I was born here my mom in Split, I remember we took a Swissair 747 from JFK to Zurich and then a JAT Boeing 727 from Zurich to Zagreb and then a train from Zagreb to Split that took 6 hrs I was surprised they were still using steam locomotives.I dont remember much about the train trip other than people smoked so much I almost got sick.
So nice videos
Thanks
@@RailRelaxation very good
Nice video
@trainstudio4k
Thanks.
Kolika bi bila najveca brzina nekog vlaka koja bi mogla ic po postojecoj pruzi?
Gore u Lici (od Gračaca do iza Perušića) je pruga građevinski ispeglana za 160km/h, ovdje južno od Knina bi se vjerojatno dio pruge mogao srediti barem za 120km/h. Današnje maksimalno ograničenje (100km/h) je radi nepostojanja modernog upravljanja prometom (SS-a), kojeg se ugrađuje zadnjih 20 godina ali nikako da se završi (u NPOO financiranju su osigurana sredstva pa bi to trebalo konačno završiti u slijedećih par godina). No veći problem od maksimalne brzine su brojna lokalna ograničenja (20-40km/h), neispravni ili neosigurani ŽCPR-ovi, skretnice u kolodvorima gdje se gubi jako puno vremena.
Knin used to be my depot
@interceptor7905 nice. So you have to know this line well.
Can you make a border around the letters when labeling the stations or choose a different color. Half of the station names are almost unreadable. Thanks for Sharing.
@mladenka-vis thank you for the feedback, I will see what I can do to improve that.
What is this mysterious armored train in Split? Is it something built during the war in Yugoslavia?
Yes, built in 1991 by Split Shipyard and Croatian Railways. Former 664-001 and 2 freight cars. However, they were not used in the war.
Hmmm I tried to give you a link but it seems to be deleted immediately. Try to google „armoured train Split“. There is a very good site from Andrew Grantham. This train was built in 1991 by the shipyard Brodosplit in Split for the homeland war in Croatia.
Это та война которую устроила США?
@@АндрейАбдулин-ч8г No, it was Khmer Rouge.
Muito obrigada pela oportunidade de conhecer atraves dos seus videos a linda croacia gostaria de saber o seu nome um abraco para voce e felicidades.
E um grande prazer, o nome é RailRelaxation se quiser mande uma mensagem lá pelo instaram
très belle vidéo!pouvez-vous mettre les noms des gares en couleur noir car le jaune sur fond clair est illisible ? Merci
@jeannoelrenaudin2 thank you for your suggestion. I will think about it.
Molto bello e interessante!, I paesaggi attraversati sono affascinanti nella loro inospitalità: sembra di essere fuori dal mondo!
Ma a Knin l'elettrificazione l'hanno tolta o la stanno installando?
This was prepared electrification through line(now abandoned from croatia's side)) on 'unska pruga' which is on todays croatian&bosnian border. Just before the war '91. Never activated because of it.
@@goldeneagle5820 Grazie mille per queste interessanti note!
Prekrasno putovanje. Sve sam prošao od Splita do Knina.
Uživao sam, ali nisam
platio kartu, molim vas
oprostite mi!
In english
A wonderful trip. I went all the way from Split to Knin.
I enjoyed it, but I didn't pay for the ticket, please forgive me!
@robertpesevski1641 it is important that you enjoyed the ride...
Krásná videa, ale vadí mi,že názvy stanice a ostatní údaje jsou ve žluté barvě a nejsou vidět na světlém železničním svršku.😂 1:44:54
@karelpoustka9213 Thank you for your comment.
C'est autorail la C'est des cousins lointain des ATER X73500 de la SNCF
@fredericcornilleau9359 merci.
Mislio sam da je ta pruga elektrifikovana, davno je vec ovako.
@tamnavac Nije. Puno se radi na željeznicama u Htvatskoj, ali ne znam planove za ovo prugu.
Odsek Knin - Oštarije v zimski verziji je bil že objavljen. Ali bo še enkrat?
@BON-wv8mg ne. Objavljen je bil prej, ker je izredno zanimiv zaradi količine snega, pravi zimski posnetek.
@BON-wv8mg vendar posnetek ostaja na kanalu. Kdor ga želi ponovno pogledati ali kdor bo iskal nadaljevanje, je tukaj.
@@RailRelaxation Koroška proga Pliberk - Maribor pred poletjem, bi bila lepa izkušnja. 👏
@BON-wv8mg jo imam v mislih. Čez vikend je iz Maribora trenutno samo en vlak v nedeljo popoldne. Do nedavnega je prispel v Pliberk ponoči. V kratkem se bo zamenjal vozni red in bo lažje.
It's so sad to see what remains of the electrization in Knin. The Una railway probably never come back to life.
@pozitroncz8679 I guess you are right.
Una line was much shorter and better route for traffic comming from the east (via Novska or (Bosanski) Novi Grad) , difference on Zagreb-Split route isn't that large - 30km on 400km line. With upcoming modernization of Zagreb-Karlovac-Ogulin/Oštarije section and with modernization in Lika difference wouldn't be that big - as it name says, Una line follows the river - first Una and later Butižnica and it's quite curvy, though as a line it is better routed with only one major climb in stead of two (Malovan and Kapela).
👏👏👏👍😊
@user-pn7br5jn7b thanks.
View like in Moldova-36:25
@user-cr5lm6fo1k Interesting. I have never been to Moldova.
😻🥰🤩☺️
☺️
Thank you very much for the video. Never realised how barren Croatia was till I saw this. Even in the middle of nowhere the so called Graffiti artist does his damage
@IanWood-xr1rq You are very welcome.
Bonjour Baptiste j'aime bien train fait rêver de tout les cœur 💓❤️💓❤️ j'aime voyager en train fait rêver toujours paysages tres jolie adore boucoup 🎉🎉🎉🎉 belle amitié avec les trains j'aime chemin de fer fait rêver 🎉🎉 coucou et coucou ma Corrèze natale ville egletons région Limousin 🌹🌹🌹 nouvelle Aquitaine 💖💌💞💌💌 sentiments dévoués merci pour tout 💞💞💖💖 à bientôt Merci
@baptisteesclauze3566 you are welcome. I am glad that you enjoyed.
Dann muss es an dir liegen .ob das bei dir geht oder nicht
@rockabilli3058 Ich habe es auf verschiedenen Computern getestet und einige Freunde gebeten, es zu überprüfen, und es gibt keine Probleme mit den Videos oder You Tube.
Hầu như tàu chạy không thấy kéo còi khi vào sân ga
davvero c'è la ferrovia in Croazia?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Velocità media 50 km/h nel 2023 🙈
@marcodesmoducati9543 it is an old railway line with old signalling and a very difficult terrain....
Paesaggi pazzeschi
@nunziocalapai8897 the landscape while climbing up from the Adriatic coast to the mainland Croatia is splendid, and I had all the luck of a great, sunny winter day....
@@RailRelaxation super Croatia
Komisch jetzt habe ich ein anderes Konto genommen und es klabt auch nicht mein Internet ist in Ordnung habe ausgemacht und wieder angemacht ,ist in Ordnung
Шумит, как ржавая вагонетка несущаяся с горки. 🙂
@strufian 🙂
Da kommt gar nichts bleibt alles stenen
Since you're doing mostly NATO countries, here's a city for you to visit.
HELSINKI.
@roygoodhand1301the newest NATO Country...will consider that suggestion.
Geht immer noch nicht .alles andere geht nur bei deinen filmen nicht
@user-mb2gs3vq1f Das tut mir leid. Ich weiß nicht, wie ich Ihnen helfen kann, denn bei anderen funktioniert es.
@@RailRelaxation alles klar
Manche sind zu stolz zu antworten .sie denken sie wären die besten Typen
Die guten Filme sehe ich auch wo anders
Ich heiße nicht User ,heiße Wolf