Live Sound Mixing Strategy - Updated
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- Here is a setup/mixing strategy for large rock shows that helps keep your mix together I have been using since the late 80s.
00:00 intro
00:18 Mic chart
02:26 Routing
03:45 Compression
04:06 Compressor settings
05:33 Compressors vs maintaining mix
07:10 Using VCA's
07:47 Pre and post compressor VCA's
09:49 Compressors as metering
11:08 Routing effects
12:33 Focusing on the artist vs the console
14:21 Outro
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Dave Rat has mixed live sound for artists such as Soundgarden, Blink 182, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine and The Offspring throughout the world and shares some insights he has learned and figured out.
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It's incredible how much you can learn in 15 minutes. Thanks Dave, amazing video.
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The idea that an audience can be in front of one cluster and not always get a true stereo image is not always understood. Love that you touched on that.
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Thanks to videos like yours I've moved up from mixing small clubs, working production, and now the last 4 years touring with National country artists. Thank you Dave for all you do for the community.
Awesome and super cool Christopher!
it's great to read small success stories like this, good for you man!
To add to this, they let me run the board alone now 😊
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I spent 5 minutes trying to find the English translation of his Cyrillic shirt in the outro... just now got it 😂😂
I'm a big fan of your content Mr. Rat, it is truly a joy to watch your videos!!
Fun and thank you
With all of the fancy digital stuff that's accessible now live, like Snapshots, VST Bridges and so on. It's REALLY valuable to have a resource like this! Simple and logical! Makes total sense, works with all consoles, all the fancy stuff is extra!
Your 'focusing on the artist' section reminded me of a video where you do an FOH tour, where your console is to your side instead of in front of you. 100% endorsed. When I'm doing a stage at an outdoor folk fest once the mix is stable I love to take my iPad and go sit on the grass with the rest of the audience. It's "normal" but not "natural" to turn the console into a kind of armour that separates you from the show.
Yes and very cool. Greg!
Came across this video on 3rd day of a 10 day festival, where i was struggling with foh mix. It literally saved the festival. amazing advice and channel. A treasure. Thanks Rat 🙏🏻💙
Soo cool!!
Every video is like a concentrated dose of YEARS of knowledge and it’s incredibly informative
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I've been using this exact setup in my live mixing workflow for the past few years and it has revolutionized the way I mix live. Thanks Dave!
Cool cool Tyler!
The dual VCA trick is brilliant, thanks so much !
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Fantastic insight Dave, thanks for all the great content. :)
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I’m not even a sound guy but I still love this channel. Thanks for sharing your wisdom, Dave
Thank you Brandon!
I just started implementing the pre/post DCA’s and I love it! Such a great idea to give more room for creativity at the console. I love when I get to mix as if I’m playing an additional instrument and contributing to the band.
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Seriously love this! Thanks for sharing your approach. If I understand this correctly you are returning your effects back into their corresponding group. Having the pre and post group VCA is a very nice touch and will most certainly be utilizing that in my show file moving forward. Love it!
Yes, effect back to the groups of the effected instruments. And lete know how it goes for ya
The pre and post compressor group VCA relationship is amazing and something I had not seen before.
Cool cool and yes, I e not seen it before either
Excellent overview with enough detail and examples to be useful in multiple scenarios.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience
Cool cool Tom!
Love ya Dave! You always answer questions you didn't know I had!
Awesome!
Makes 100% total sense. More of this, please Dave!
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I have applied this strategy to several different consoles and its become my go-to for probably over 10 years now. Dave is the man! It has given me so much more freedom in my mix as you can spend more time on detailed fx and making it shine!
Awesome!
That was dope thanks! This eliminates so much headache and distraction, but still gives you the freedom to change whatever needs to be adjusted / fine tuned.
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Nice! Very informative and insightful. Thanks for posting!
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thank you mr dave for sharing this mixing knowledge. I am a follower of his and I love to see his videos. Greetings from Venezuela
Thank you Carlos!
Thank you so much for this kind of video! So inspiring and helpful!
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Man this is amazing. Just started exploring groups and DCAs lately so this is perfect timing to think logically on how to use them
Man, thanks for all the videos. We just got an x32/s16 and I'm trying to figure it all out and your videos have been a great help.
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I watched the original version of this video years ago...thanks for sharing Mr. Rat....you rock !!
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Very educational. You obviously have a wealth of experience and a big thanks for sharing.
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EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION OF A EXPERT MIX BRAVO
Amazing i just found your channel a few weeks ago. We have to train our own production crews. Your videos are going to assist with this. Thank you.
Super cool!
Blast from the past! I myself only came across your channel recently but I did watch this one last year. There is so much information in this video it is impossible to absorb it all in one viewing ... unless you already know it all! 😅👉 Thanks again!
Thank you Haze!
Always love your videos! Thanks Dave
Awesome and thank you!
Brilliant, Dave! Thanks for this
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The 2 VCA's are a very good idea !!!
Thx for sharing, it helps!
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Thank for this very detailed explanation of complicated sound routing and explanations of your sound mixing strategies. The white board was very helpful to visualize a complicated system. It’s very interesting how everything works together for live sound venues.
Super cool thank you Matt!
Dude! this is such a simple but fantastic technique. Thanks for sharing Dave!
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Great and very informative video. Your approach to mixing live bands makes so much sense.
Keep up the the great lessons I really appreciate it.
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Amazing breakdown, very efficient for studio mixing as well.
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Thanks Dave for all your vids! They have made me a better engineer. I found your work on large subs super informative. The models were great.
I think your reminders of the importance of simplicity and big picture focus are especially cool. I can look back now and laugh at how I perhaps was 'that' micro-manager type guy you spoke of. e.g. It took me 10yrs to learn how to use my effects and another 10 to know WHEN to use them .
Again, thanks for your work and shares. I recommend to all jr.(and some senior lol) audio techs.
Super cool thank you Steven!
Super helpful Dave. The insight about not linking guitars is brilliant. Thanks a million! BTW Love the Giraffe painting.
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Great insights, Dave!
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LOVE your approach to setting up the board and routing, DAMN! Thank you for sharing.
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Great tips! Very well presented!
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You're a living legend Dave, I learn a lot from you
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This guy is a genius. Please keep putting videos like this out!
Thank you Justin!!
Wow. I'm wildly impressed. Using this setup immediately.
Awesome let me know how it goes!
thank u bro 👊
huge guy, very deep inside look, one love ❤️
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I think I just found my new cubase template. Now I can finally focus on composing. You won't believe the mess Ive been making with vca's groups and sends. This makes so much sense. Thank you. Very grateful.
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Just discovered your channel today Dave. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and tips! Absolutely amazing resource for an amateur such as myself. I'm just a guitarist in a 4-piece cover band who runs the band sound with a Soundcraft Ui24 while playing (no fun at all trying to do a soundcheck just before a show, where you're the only guitar player!).
Honestly, I'll probably never get to apply a lot of your tips as I just don't have the time available pre-gig, but having the background knowledge is still invaluable, so once again...thanks so much!
All the best from Brisbane, Australia mate!
Cheers,
Matt.
Hey Dave super video - would love to have heard the results you’re talking about as you explained them. Like an A / B scenario… definitely the cumulative sound as you added the steps into the process. Top notch man
I am going to release a new video on the member side with demo using a track I recorded from a live show. It can't be released publically but is pretty cool
Hi Dave. Thanks for all the content you post. You’ve inspired me to try to make a career change into pro audio. Keep rockin’. Can’t wait to see your team back on the Polo Grounds
Welcome and very cool!
I've been mixing sound for 40+ years and I just learned something new (apart from being happy that I've held on to a few of my huge analog desks!) Thanks for sharing, keep it up!
Awesome!
Lovely stuff!! Thanks for sharing.
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This was the most inspirational video I watched, at the start of my sound journey 10 years ago and to this day, I still love it.
As always Dave, you are a game changer!
Awesome and thank you!
Just wanna say thank you, Dave! Cheers from Brazil.
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Magic! Seriously though, this is so really great information for young folks mixing. It's nice to see professionals sharing.
I appreciate that!
Thank you Mr Rat. My dream come true I always wanted to learn from a pro what you teach. I’ll be able to record myself properly now.
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all of this makes perfect sense in seems to be very helpful and manageable and applied immediately thanks for the discussion Dave
Awesome!
This is pure gold! Thank you so for for sharing!!
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WoW. What a great video. Thank you very much sir. The knowledge that you are giving is priceless. Thank you again Sir.❤❤❤
Thanks Dave
Just tried that, awesome!! You da man.🎉👏🏾👊🏾
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Every time you see an audio tutorial video on a white board you know it’s gonna be great!!!
Ha, white board is my last resort
I really think that this approach can be used when mixing in the studio as well. Thank you for taking the time to share this with everyone, this is invaluable stuff!
Let me know how it goes!
Dave you are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much.
Thank you Cheezy!
Super interesting and helpful, thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts 👏
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Very helpful Dave! Thank you!
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🙌🏾 Beyond grateful for this
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Epic. So simple. Thanks Dave.
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge brother.
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As someone trying to learn mixing tracks in a DAW, this is such an eyeopener and a really useful reminder of the realities I am trying to reflect in a digital space. Thank you.
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That’s awesome content 🤜🏻 much appreciate the knowledge gained from watching this
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@@DaveRat been following your channel for about a few months now, so much I’ve learnt. A lot of material to still catch up on 🤜🏻 #Respect#Best Regards from the other side of the world - Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬 🙌🏼
Awesome and thank you Ania!
Found it very useful. Thanks Dave!
Awesome and thank you!
This makes totally sense! And it's kind of a loundness levels automation. Great work, Dave! :)
This was very helpful. I just realized my linked subgroup settings was triggering compression on a panned vocal sub group unnecessarily. Super helpful. Thank you !
Awesome!!
Thank you so much dave!!
Much love.
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That was really really informative. Thanks!
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Thanks Dave! Learning how to do it bigger and this helps
Excellent !!!
It’s amazing how different live sound is from studio sound
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Wow, thanks for sharing your knowledge, Dave!
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I've learned a lot from you. Thanks Dave!
Thank you!
Thanks. That was amazingly distilled wisdom.
Awesome thank you!
This man just giving out free knowledge and wisdom 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
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This was amazing - thanks for the lesson!
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That VCA trick - amazing!
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Great idea I used to do this for a living as well and never had these.. good info
Thank you Brian!
Great approach!
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Great management.. thanks
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The VCA tip is so brilliant !
Awesome!
That was wonderful, thank you. :) P.S. Loved the London show the other week!
Well, I stopped touring a while back and glad ya like the vid
This is brilliant, I’ll be using this strategy
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Dave, you hit it all right on the nail! Just did a major reset of an audio system and the principles that you share are almost exactly on what I strive for in a mix.
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Great video! Thank you!
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First saw this a few years back and have been using it ever since. It works so well, even for smaller pub gigs where balancing vocals was always a challenge. My mixer only has 4 sub groups but that's enough most of the time. If I need another, I'll isolate the bass as in most of the gigs I do, the bass sound doesn't vary much.
Thanks Dave, you're a legend!
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My guitarists like to play loud at the expense of the overall sound. In fact they like to be in the bass zone and as a result we get a little muddy. How do you best get the guitarists onboard with implementing this sort of strategy?
Avoid stage volume is balances when you stand center stage. Move loud speakers farther off stage and point them away from center stage. Far enough away anything loud will be quiet
In small consoles or limited groups i have used a Group for the Band and the other for Vocals and getting good results.
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I don't normally comment but had to on this one. Been setting up my mixes just like this for 35+ years. Minus all the stereo imaging. Ever since I got my first compressor. Didn't have enough compressors for each vocal or instrument so the solution was subgroups. Over time, it evolved into an "auto mix" method.
Same with the DCA's. Most don't understand or think about the difference of a DCA on a channel vs a DCA on the group (in regards to group compression). Great video Dave. It's like getting a validation.
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I mostly produce electronic music but this still has been very insightful! Thanks for sharing!
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The giraffe must be a great sound engineer by now just from hearing Dave talk.
Awww, yeah, I miss the giraffe. I painted the room since but all the animals were fun
Also, that thing plugged in its ass. Direct feed of information 👊
Thank You so much for this video ! Brilliant 😎
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i love that you said "one of the secrets" i wanna hear them all!!
i'd love to see a video on how u use the attack/release time on those group comps :)
I started trying to apply the mix strategy to an X32 and it's a learning curve but got working ok. The attack and release times vary depending on the compressor used. I will try an do a video on how to determine the attack and release times.
@@DaveRat it would be really great for me at this time, im getting back to work after these years of pandemic, and i will get a Midas 32 as a work base.
Im now refreshing my knowledge, preparing my come back for the next weekend :) TY Dave!
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That was excellent. Thank you.
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Great video. Thank you for the information.
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Man U jus confirmed a shitton of thoughts I’ve been experimenting with. Jus got a subscriber too!! I’ve had several great sound guys show and teach me stuff over the 20 yrs I’ve been running sound. But you explain it like no other has. Thanks
great content!!!!
great advice thanks davo!
🤙🤙🤙 cool cool Hugh!