@@37willdog except those guys don’t provide the speed element. Love that contact guys are getting some respect again but I want to see a guy who’s just gritty as hell. Bunts for hits constantly and steals his way to third. Just an absolute menace that drives pitchers nuts. I’m thinking Jon Berti types but better
The guy was an all around athlete too. Lived in the same neighborhood as him and he could hoop and was a damn good wide out at Ash. He's still friends with a good friend of mine.
That’s why I love baseball stats so much. OPS is almost always the best way to measure someone’s value, but in Juan Pierre’s case you have to just look at the fact that he was always on base and was fast as hell. What people don’t realize about all of the baseball stats there are now is that they aren’t all meant to be as valuable as others, but rather to present data in a different way so you can find different skill sets through numbers. I find that so fascinating
@@ninjabanana0885 and when you get a player like Juan Pierre, who’s value can only be seen through the eye test, you appreciate their ability to break the very fabric of a statistician’s job.
I have a lot of memories of Juan Pierre. As a kid in the early 2000s my dad would take me to Rockies games every weekend or so during the summers. Juan Pierre was one of the last men standing in the entire league from those early 2000s Rockies teams, so he was always a favorite of mine even after he left the Rockies.
Juan Pierre is one of my favorite players that not many know about. He belongs to the "He plays like me" club lol. A lefty hitter with elite speed, defense & contact tools, and little to no power. Ichiro Suzuki is the GOAT of that club for me. 😅
The Pierre / Castillo table setting combo was pretty damned awesome. As a Braves fan, definitely had some appreciation for what they were doing in Florida.
Was going to say the same thing. Pierre gets on, steals 2nd. Castillo bunts him to third, and makes it to 1st safe a lot. Then Castillo could steal 2nd, but they had two pretty good hitters at 3 and 4.
It’s too bad that Castillo stopped stealing bases as much when Florida got juan. They could’ve caused even more havoc if Luis would steal more. With that being said, the mental stress of having to deal with Juan AND Luis when they were on base was immeasurable. In 2003, they were proof that you could have speed as a big part of winning a championship.
I really feel like had he played in the dead ball era, he probably would be in the hall, but won't due to the era he played. He literally played ball in the wrong century
I was actually at a game where Juan Pierre hit a home run. It was when he played for the Phillies. A three run homerun in the bottom of the 4th inning against the Rays!
I'm a Dodger fan and loved JP on the Dodgers. He brought a work ethic and a style of play long forgotten. Nothing is wrong with small ball when it's mixed into the rest of the equation that includes power. Speed, hustle, SB's, iron man like games played and bunts are all very valuable metrics that get overlooked in the statcast era.
“We da Florida Marlins we come and get it started We shocked the world and you know the haters we just lost em’ I don’t care if it’s Boston I don’t care if it’s New York We coming down from Florida and we came in with some heart!” Juan Pierre If you know you know
Was one of my favorite and the most exciting players to watch growing up. I still somehow remember that I learned how to steal bases because of interview he did with Sports Illustrated for kids. I remember him saying how he would take off his batting gloves and hold them in his hands to protect his hands. Great content, keep it up! I'm always here for the nostalgia! (Sp?)
Juan Pierre was one of those "1 in a thousand" guys who had a few counting stats that mattered (walks, sb to SO ratio) but other than that their value was so much more than what the stat sheet said. I remember when he came to the cubs and I was juiced we finally had someone that could swipe bases basically at will. Aaaaand then he went to the dodgers one year later
This could have easily gone into an argument about stolen bases adding to slugging percentage. Which honestly makes some sense. Great vid, JP was one of my favs growing up.
There should always be a place for the Juan Pierres of the world in baseball but unfortunately that place will be in the minors waiting for expanded roster call ups.
You must be a young person. I say that because I was born in 1977, started watching & playing baseball (the game I love yet very much dislike the average player these days) in the mid 80's & at that point in time, the baseball line up was generally strategically set up. The 1st two hitters were your speedsters/singles maybe singles/doubles hitters but were fast & smart base runners & power was not a concern with these guys. The #3 hitter was the best all around hitter, average & obp. # was cleanup (power hitter but w/good average too). # 5 was maybe an old cleanup hitter or a young power hitter who didn't have the ability to get on often as the # 4 & 3 guy but had pop. A guy on the decline or rise who was dangerous & backed up your cleanup hitter. The 6-7 & 8 hitters were something of a low-level 2-3-4 hitters, sort of a second tear of the beginning of the line up. It was all in an effort to get a guy on, move him over then drive him in, ideally within a few batters time ip at bat. This has basically been the idea for a long time & things have only changed in the 90's & from then on. The player like Juan Pierre was not a rare player. And if you think I'm wrong, look at the lineups in the early 90's going back a decade or 2 or more. The most strategically sound on paper that actually translated successfully in baseball history or in the last probably 70-80÷ years was the 1986 mets. Check out the line up they had. That was a perfectly balanced hitting machine ! People w/through baseball knowledge would agree, met fan or not.
You seen dude in video therefore you knew he was young. But, "Back in my day"guy... Does kids on your lawn upset you? Take out everyone trying to smack a bomb and this is still the strategy of today. You speak as if were born in '47, not '77.
Juan Pierre was one of the most underrated outfielders ever. This guy was the perfect leadoff hitter. He didn't have a lot of power but man could he fly. He stretched singles into doubles and doubles into triples. He also could catch up to deep fly balls out in centerfield. The Marlins don't win the WS in '03 without him. He set the tone for the rest of the lineup, especially in Game 1 when he led off with a drag bunt. In my opinion, him, Darin Erstad and Steve Finley are three of the most underrated outfielders of the 2000s and in baseball overall.
For a 7 year period he averaged .300 with 200 hits per 162 games In a lot of ways he reminded me of Rod Carew, a guy who dinked in a lot of hits over the infielders heads. He was very fast but wasnt really a good baserunner. Now a lot of teams knew he was going to try to steal in particular situations so its not surprising that his SB% was around 75% but thats fairly low considering that he was probably one of the 2 or 3 fastest players of his era. Had he played in the 1970's/80's there is no doubt in my mind that he would have averaged around 20-30 SB's more per season but the SB had become devalued since the early 90's. The thing is even if he did steal those extra 20-30 bases I believe his % would have been around the same. He never seemed to learn how to read pitchers and would often get picked off 1st early in his career and later he seened to always get caught in pitch-outs, not realizing he was being set up to try and steal by the pitcher and catcher only to find 2nd base blocked by a middle infielder who was waiting there with the ball for an easy put out. This problem followed him around from early in his career to when he was in his prime to his decline. Also, as a fielder he was a mixed bag. He had a good glove and got to a lot of balls that maybe 2 or 3 players in the entire MLB could get to. He was good at running in or sprinting back to get to get to fly balls. The problem was that once he got to the ball he had one of the weakest throwing arms of any era. He wasn't say Ben Revere who couldnt reach 2nd base on a routine fly ball but was more of a Roy White whose couldnt throw a rope if his life depended on it. As the years went on he bacame better and better at getting into a position for a quick release once he got the ball but he was an opposing manager's wet dream if you had runners in scoring position and less than 2 outs. I think this was a big reason why his career basically stalled out once he had that one below average season at the plate. He just didnt have a major league outfield arm and with a player like that it was a huge negative.
He and I had a mutual friend as teenagers here in Alexandria Louisiana. Mike Cooper. He told my how they had caught an alligator in the road and thought they could sell it to PetSmart or some sht. Week after Mike tells me about this, I'm in the next neighborhood over and had to turn back and go around cause it was a 10 ft gator in the street. Deerfield subdivision.
he was so valuable to that ‘03 FLA team. I was happy when the Dodgers got him but he never seemed to recreate that impact he had in Florida. I miss the days of the prototypical lead off guy.
I’m a Marlins fan and two of my favorite players to watch were Juan Pierre and Dee Gordon. Call me old school but I love small ball. A squeeze bunt slowly rolling down the third base line for a hit and a steal of second and maybe third capped off by a sac fly… now that’s baseball, folks.
If you can make it work and contribute, there's always a place for guys like Pierre. He had two elite skills: speed and contact ability and he used them to his fullest extent. It wasn't a mistake to cast him as a leadoff hitter because he could still get on base at a reasonable clip. Unfortunately he wasn't as elite a base stealer as Vince Coleman.
@@decker528 Coleman ran more, and is nearly 6% better than Pierre at stealing bases. Pierre stole 614 bases on 817 attempts, for a 0.751 steal percentage. Coleman stole 752 bases on 929 attempts, for an 0.809 steal percentage. For comparison, these are the stats for Lou Brock and Ricky Henderson: Brock: 938 bases on 1,247 attempts, which is a 0.752 steal percentage. Henderson: 1,406 bases on 1,741 attempt, which is a 0.807 steal percentage. Coleman was able steal at a higher rate, barely, than the greatest to ever do it. If he had Rickey and Juan’s patience, he probably would’ve set a record literally no one could ever touch. Also, don’t change your argument from base stealer to player. That is lazy argumentation. We were talking about base stealing.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 really neither is exactly what I had in mind. Leadoff hitter in general would have been the best description of what I think Pierre is better at. As far as flat out base stealing, Pierre played in an era where players weren't allowed to run wild. I don't know if there's a sizeable different from the mid 80s to early 2000s in how well pitchers held runners on and catchers threw people out but that would make an interesting comparison also if the numbers were available
Besides Ruth and Paul Konerko, my next favorite player has always been Juan Pierre. Absolutely love his speed and his ability to put the ball in play. We need more players like this instead of the strikeout kings. Pierre also used to go to daily Mass with Jack McKeon when he played for the Marlins. love him!
JP is one of the most underrated ball players ever. As a batboy/ball boy for the Mets I had the pleasure of warming him up in left field for the Dodgers and dude was cool as ice and just an all around class act. A lot of people don’t realize he’s accumulated over 2200 hits .295 career batting average and stole over 600 bags. An asset to any ball clubb
Dude for years In the show him and Scott posednek were the guys that anchored my outfield and the top of my line ups and it worked way better than it should have lol
This was great. I made a baseball card game that can have any era of players play a game of baseball. Uses real stats and can be played in person with dice or online. I think I will add him to my 2001 players. Waiting to post game until I get patent.
Actually I think he could succeed today. Baseball Savant has spray charts for him going back to '05 and only about one-fifth of his hits are infield grounders, most of the rest are spray liners/flys just over the infield, all parts. I initially would have compared him to Luis Arraez, but he actually consistently hit the ball harder than Luis and had a wider spread. Also Pierre was consistently in the top 20 in HBP, which had both proven to be a repeatable valuable skill and vastly increased in prevelance in the modern game. Also he was nearly Ichiro's teammate, being drafted by the Mariners out of high school AND after one year of JuCo, before being drafted out of big boy college by Colorado. The ONLY weakness the 2001 Mariners had was old ass Al Martin, who the Mariners insisted on playing in LF despite having the Black Ben Zobrist in Mark McLemore. (Today I learned that Al Martin would tell his teammates stories about playing football for USC, Seattle even listed it in their media guide, despite him never even enrolling there.)
Still a really good card. Gone 5/11 so far using him. Only small knock is his lack of a strong arm, which is needed for a CF (not so bad if he's playing LF).
Juan Pierre was one of the best leadoff men of the 2000s. 2200 hits and a .295 lifetime average is pretty fucking good. And his wheels were Ricky Henderson tier. A lifetime war of 17.4, lifetime OPS of .705.
Pierre's lack of power/strength also extended to the field. Elite range but his defensive stats are weighed down hard by his arm. -11 career DRS, but -26 run saves from his arm
Man this type of play needs to make a comeback, there needs to be more stolen bases and higher batting avg, also realize how the teams who always win the ws are in the top 5 batting avg, unlike the Yankees who soley rely on Homeruns which isn’t winning baseball, it’s more flashy but it doesn’t lead you to wins or championships. Stolen bases needs to become a primary focus again like it was in the 80’s pre
Pierre was an example of " you can't coach/teach speed "...if you can hit, you'll always have a job( at least until analytics/shifts discouraged hitting for contact/average, and devaluing the stolen base)...he might have been considered HOF- worthy if he'd played before 1990...as the title of the video implies, he was a throwback
Tbh, these kind of players are WAY MORE entertaining than your modern day slugger who either hits a home run,strikeout or walks. It's nice actually seeing baseball being played and not 9 guys standing around
I'd rather watch team of Pierres than the typical modern team full of three true outcome hitters. Socking dingers is great and all but it seems to be over-emphasized a bit at the moment.
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I am by no means a traditionalist but I do think the league has forgotten the value of a player like Juan Pierre or Ichiro.
I do not agree at all.
They’re making a comeback. Guys like Luis Arraez and Steven Kwan are proving how valuable they are
@@37willdog except those guys don’t provide the speed element. Love that contact guys are getting some respect again but I want to see a guy who’s just gritty as hell. Bunts for hits constantly and steals his way to third. Just an absolute menace that drives pitchers nuts. I’m thinking Jon Berti types but better
Dude How was this guy not a cardinal It seams like he is exactly what kind of ball we play
Jeff Mcneil as well
He was always my lead off hitter in older MLB games
Same. Him winning the world series with the Marlins put him on my radar.
Such an underrated player and one of the greatest base stealers of all time
And has an all-time cool name
The guy was an all around athlete too. Lived in the same neighborhood as him and he could hoop and was a damn good wide out at Ash. He's still friends with a good friend of mine.
So, Juan Pierre is proof that there is no stat they can use to truly show how great someone is.
That’s why I love baseball stats so much. OPS is almost always the best way to measure someone’s value, but in Juan Pierre’s case you have to just look at the fact that he was always on base and was fast as hell. What people don’t realize about all of the baseball stats there are now is that they aren’t all meant to be as valuable as others, but rather to present data in a different way so you can find different skill sets through numbers. I find that so fascinating
@@ninjabanana0885 and when you get a player like Juan Pierre, who’s value can only be seen through the eye test, you appreciate their ability to break the very fabric of a statistician’s job.
@@ninjabanana0885 he wasn’t always on base though because he had a career OBP of .343
Which is why sabremetrics and analytics shouldn't be counted on the whole time to measure ball players
I have a lot of memories of Juan Pierre. As a kid in the early 2000s my dad would take me to Rockies games every weekend or so during the summers. Juan Pierre was one of the last men standing in the entire league from those early 2000s Rockies teams, so he was always a favorite of mine even after he left the Rockies.
2:50 congratulations to Ginger on finally making it into a SRS video, I bet he’s always dreamed of this moment.
Since the invention of the tele-phon
Juan Pierre is one of my favorite players that not many know about.
He belongs to the "He plays like me" club lol.
A lefty hitter with elite speed, defense & contact tools, and little to no power.
Ichiro Suzuki is the GOAT of that club for me. 😅
Players names in the 1880s names are always funny
Trading for Juan Pierre was always the first move I made in whatever MLB 2k I was playing for a decade
I see a video about Juan Pierre I click
The Pierre / Castillo table setting combo was pretty damned awesome. As a Braves fan, definitely had some appreciation for what they were doing in Florida.
Was going to say the same thing. Pierre gets on, steals 2nd. Castillo bunts him to third, and makes it to 1st safe a lot. Then Castillo could steal 2nd, but they had two pretty good hitters at 3 and 4.
DEADLY 1-2 combo, so blessed to watch them at Pro Player Stadium growing up as a kid
It’s too bad that Castillo stopped stealing bases as much when Florida got juan. They could’ve caused even more havoc if Luis would steal more. With that being said, the mental stress of having to deal with Juan AND Luis when they were on base was immeasurable. In 2003, they were proof that you could have speed as a big part of winning a championship.
Absolutely. That 2003 Marlins team was one of the best teams ever
For a while, I’ve been thinking how Juan Pierre is probably the best player who was never voted All-Star.
Kirk Gibson, Tim Salmon, and Andrelton Simmons should also be on that list somewhere
@@Rylopero Can't forget Travis Hafner
@@Rylopero wow Salmon was never an All-Star? Guess I shouldn’t be too surprised but dude was pretty damn good
buttercup dickerson is my new favorite player
as he should be
Mine is Ginger Beaumont
This video went hard, always had this guy for cheap on every team in mlb 2k7
I wish this guy would’ve stuck around long enough to get 3000 hits. At one point I thought he was on his way to Cooperstown.
I really feel like had he played in the dead ball era, he probably would be in the hall, but won't due to the era he played. He literally played ball in the wrong century
I was actually at a game where Juan Pierre hit a home run. It was when he played for the Phillies. A three run homerun in the bottom of the 4th inning against the Rays!
Glad to see Marlins great Juan Pierre
I'm a Dodger fan and loved JP on the Dodgers. He brought a work ethic and a style of play long forgotten. Nothing is wrong with small ball when it's mixed into the rest of the equation that includes power. Speed, hustle, SB's, iron man like games played and bunts are all very valuable metrics that get overlooked in the statcast era.
“We da Florida Marlins we come and get it started
We shocked the world and you know the haters we just lost em’
I don’t care if it’s Boston I don’t care if it’s New York
We coming down from Florida and we came in with some heart!”
Juan Pierre
If you know you know
Was one of my favorite and the most exciting players to watch growing up. I still somehow remember that I learned how to steal bases because of interview he did with Sports Illustrated for kids. I remember him saying how he would take off his batting gloves and hold them in his hands to protect his hands.
Great content, keep it up! I'm always here for the nostalgia! (Sp?)
So Juan plays like he belongs in a era where he would not even be allowed to play?
Or a 1980s to early-1990s speedster where he could play and probably would have thrived as a more complete version of Vince Coleman or Alex Cole
Juan Pierre was one of those "1 in a thousand" guys who had a few counting stats that mattered (walks, sb to SO ratio) but other than that their value was so much more than what the stat sheet said. I remember when he came to the cubs and I was juiced we finally had someone that could swipe bases basically at will. Aaaaand then he went to the dodgers one year later
Having Pierre on those 07/08 Cubs playoff teams couldve been the spark needed to not get swpet two years in a row.
POV: You just learned Juan Pierre was a player from his new card in MLB The Show 22
Lol. That’s funny because I was just thinking to myself “I wonder how many people know of him just because of his finest card.” Spot o.
Already 5/11 to start with his new card. Dude is good in the game ngl.
Your old timer voice sounds like Sean Giambrone lol
How did Chris Berman get away with calling him Juan “lucky” Pierre for so long?
Juan Pierre, Pickles Dilhofer, Chicken Wolf...
my all time fantasy team is 1/3 complete.
This could have easily gone into an argument about stolen bases adding to slugging percentage. Which honestly makes some sense.
Great vid, JP was one of my favs growing up.
There should always be a place for the Juan Pierres of the world in baseball but unfortunately that place will be in the minors waiting for expanded roster call ups.
The new defense rule will change that
Awesome video! Juan Pierre has been one of my favorite players for many years! I love to see him get his flowers!
You must be a young person. I say that because I was born in 1977, started watching & playing baseball (the game I love yet very much dislike the average player these days) in the mid 80's & at that point in time, the baseball line up was generally strategically set up. The 1st two hitters were your speedsters/singles maybe singles/doubles hitters but were fast & smart base runners & power was not a concern with these guys. The #3 hitter was the best all around hitter, average & obp. # was cleanup (power hitter but w/good average too). # 5 was maybe an old cleanup hitter or a young power hitter who didn't have the ability to get on often as the # 4 & 3 guy but had pop. A guy on the decline or rise who was dangerous & backed up your cleanup hitter. The 6-7 & 8 hitters were something of a low-level 2-3-4 hitters, sort of a second tear of the beginning of the line up. It was all in an effort to get a guy on, move him over then drive him in, ideally within a few batters time ip at bat. This has basically been the idea for a long time & things have only changed in the 90's & from then on. The player like Juan Pierre was not a rare player. And if you think I'm wrong, look at the lineups in the early 90's going back a decade or 2 or more. The most strategically sound on paper that actually translated successfully in baseball history or in the last probably 70-80÷ years was the 1986 mets. Check out the line up they had. That was a perfectly balanced hitting machine ! People w/through baseball knowledge would agree, met fan or not.
Precisely
Yo I started reading than press read more and I’m like I’m out
"you must be a young person"
bro you literally see him in the video.
@@allstarr9tc Ik lol bruh
You seen dude in video therefore you knew he was young. But, "Back in my day"guy... Does kids on your lawn upset you? Take out everyone trying to smack a bomb and this is still the strategy of today. You speak as if were born in '47, not '77.
Juan Pierre was one of the most underrated outfielders ever. This guy was the perfect leadoff hitter. He didn't have a lot of power but man could he fly. He stretched singles into doubles and doubles into triples. He also could catch up to deep fly balls out in centerfield. The Marlins don't win the WS in '03 without him. He set the tone for the rest of the lineup, especially in Game 1 when he led off with a drag bunt. In my opinion, him, Darin Erstad and Steve Finley are three of the most underrated outfielders of the 2000s and in baseball overall.
you post these at the perfect times, because i was looking up some highlights of him because he just got a 99 in mlb the show
For a 7 year period he averaged .300 with 200 hits per 162 games
In a lot of ways he reminded me of Rod Carew, a guy who dinked in a lot of hits over the infielders heads.
He was very fast but wasnt really a good baserunner. Now a lot of teams knew he was going to try to steal in particular situations so its not surprising that his SB% was around 75% but thats fairly low considering that he was probably one of the 2 or 3 fastest players of his era. Had he played in the 1970's/80's there is no doubt in my mind that he would have averaged around 20-30 SB's more per season but the SB had become devalued since the early 90's. The thing is even if he did steal those extra 20-30 bases I believe his % would have been around the same. He never seemed to learn how to read pitchers and would often get picked off 1st early in his career and later he seened to always get caught in pitch-outs, not realizing he was being set up to try and steal by the pitcher and catcher only to find 2nd base blocked by a middle infielder who was waiting there with the ball for an easy put out. This problem followed him around from early in his career to when he was in his prime to his decline.
Also, as a fielder he was a mixed bag. He had a good glove and got to a lot of balls that maybe 2 or 3 players in the entire MLB could get to. He was good at running in or sprinting back to get to get to fly balls. The problem was that once he got to the ball he had one of the weakest throwing arms of any era. He wasn't say Ben Revere who couldnt reach 2nd base on a routine fly ball but was more of a Roy White whose couldnt throw a rope if his life depended on it. As the years went on he bacame better and better at getting into a position for a quick release once he got the ball but he was an opposing manager's wet dream if you had runners in scoring position and less than 2 outs. I think this was a big reason why his career basically stalled out once he had that one below average season at the plate. He just didnt have a major league outfield arm and with a player like that it was a huge negative.
You need some friends.
Splitman, was that a grown up response?
He’s someone that would’ve greatly benefited from universal DH. Dude could’ve had at least another 3 years in the show
His arm was easily the worst I've ever seen in the MLB.
One of my favorites growin up dude was problem
Juan Pierre was what you want at the top of the order. An on-base machine that has a reasonable chance of changing that single into a double.
He and I had a mutual friend as teenagers here in Alexandria Louisiana. Mike Cooper. He told my how they had caught an alligator in the road and thought they could sell it to PetSmart or some sht.
Week after Mike tells me about this, I'm in the next neighborhood over and had to turn back and go around cause it was a 10 ft gator in the street.
Deerfield subdivision.
he was so valuable to that ‘03 FLA team. I was happy when the Dodgers got him but he never seemed to recreate that impact he had in Florida. I miss the days of the prototypical lead off guy.
Because Dodgers weren't good with an owner who was being super cheap during those years.
I’ve hit more HRs with Juan Pierre in 100 ABs on MLB The Show 22 than he did in his 7500+ career ABs in real life 😅
This dude went to high school 70 miles from where I did in the literal middle of nowhere Louisiana.
So basically they made MLB The Show 22 a real thing, and then invented time travel, what a time we live in
MLB the show legend Juan Pierre
I’m a Marlins fan and two of my favorite players to watch were Juan Pierre and Dee Gordon. Call me old school but I love small ball. A squeeze bunt slowly rolling down the third base line for a hit and a steal of second and maybe third capped off by a sac fly… now that’s baseball, folks.
This is phenomenal content.
I love it! Thank you for putting your energy into making this video. Fantastic!
Old timey Stark Raving Sports sounds like David Lynch.
This channel is legendary.
Juan Pierre was my man!! loved this guy, as an O's fan.
Great video for such a classic ball player!!
The older I've gotten the more I can appreciate guys like Pierre.
If you can make it work and contribute, there's always a place for guys like Pierre. He had two elite skills: speed and contact ability and he used them to his fullest extent. It wasn't a mistake to cast him as a leadoff hitter because he could still get on base at a reasonable clip. Unfortunately he wasn't as elite a base stealer as Vince Coleman.
I don't have a statsheet in front of me, but I bet he was better than Vince Coleman. Coleman just ran a lot more often
You really saying a guy with 9 - 40 SB seasons and 3 - 60 SB seasons, wasn’t elite at stealing bases… ok lol
I'm still gonna say Juan Pierre was a better player than Vince Coleman. There's more to it than just how many bases they stole in a season
@@decker528 Coleman ran more, and is nearly 6% better than Pierre at stealing bases.
Pierre stole 614 bases on 817 attempts, for a 0.751 steal percentage.
Coleman stole 752 bases on 929 attempts, for an 0.809 steal percentage.
For comparison, these are the stats for Lou Brock and Ricky Henderson:
Brock: 938 bases on 1,247 attempts, which is a 0.752 steal percentage.
Henderson: 1,406 bases on 1,741 attempt, which is a 0.807 steal percentage.
Coleman was able steal at a higher rate, barely, than the greatest to ever do it. If he had Rickey and Juan’s patience, he probably would’ve set a record literally no one could ever touch.
Also, don’t change your argument from base stealer to player. That is lazy argumentation. We were talking about base stealing.
@@testingmyaudioaddiction3452 really neither is exactly what I had in mind. Leadoff hitter in general would have been the best description of what I think Pierre is better at. As far as flat out base stealing, Pierre played in an era where players weren't allowed to run wild. I don't know if there's a sizeable different from the mid 80s to early 2000s in how well pitchers held runners on and catchers threw people out but that would make an interesting comparison also if the numbers were available
Besides Ruth and Paul Konerko, my next favorite player has always been Juan Pierre. Absolutely love his speed and his ability to put the ball in play. We need more players like this instead of the strikeout kings. Pierre also used to go to daily Mass with Jack McKeon when he played for the Marlins. love him!
JP is one of the most underrated ball players ever. As a batboy/ball boy for the Mets I had the pleasure of warming him up in left field for the Dodgers and dude was cool as ice and just an all around class act. A lot of people don’t realize he’s accumulated over 2200 hits .295 career batting average and stole over 600 bags. An asset to any ball clubb
He was only 0.001 percent worse than the second greatest base stealer of all time, Lou Brock, too.
Brock was 0.752 and JP was at 0.751.
Dude for years In the show him and Scott posednek were the guys that anchored my outfield and the top of my line ups and it worked way better than it should have lol
Lmao the fact that he even wore his hat under his helmet made the whole concept funny af 2me🤣
Baseball need more players with the name Pickles ..
Bro i love ur videos... this is the best one yet, by far! Great work man, keep it up
As a Marlins fan is was a joy getting to watch Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo on a regular
JP was the man on the '03 Marlins. Started the WS off with a bunt and actually got the hit.
Juan Pierre is justifiably a hall of Fame player. The dude could find a gap like it owed him money. The kind of guy you want as your leadoff hitter.
Juan Pierre is that baseball player who didn’t make noise, isn’t a dominating player, but is really fun to watch.
Very a underrated player should be a hall of famer in my book.
This was great. I made a baseball card game that can have any era of players play a game of baseball. Uses real stats and can be played in person with dice or online. I think I will add him to my 2001 players. Waiting to post game until I get patent.
Actually I think he could succeed today. Baseball Savant has spray charts for him going back to '05 and only about one-fifth of his hits are infield grounders, most of the rest are spray liners/flys just over the infield, all parts.
I initially would have compared him to Luis Arraez, but he actually consistently hit the ball harder than Luis and had a wider spread.
Also Pierre was consistently in the top 20 in HBP, which had both proven to be a repeatable valuable skill and vastly increased in prevelance in the modern game.
Also he was nearly Ichiro's teammate, being drafted by the Mariners out of high school AND after one year of JuCo, before being drafted out of big boy college by Colorado. The ONLY weakness the 2001 Mariners had was old ass Al Martin, who the Mariners insisted on playing in LF despite having the Black Ben Zobrist in Mark McLemore.
(Today I learned that Al Martin would tell his teammates stories about playing football for USC, Seattle even listed it in their media guide, despite him never even enrolling there.)
Pretty cool showcase. Always loved the speedster, especially on the 2003 Marlins
Idk if y’all play The Show, but JP getting a 97 ovr with 99s being handed out like snow cones to unproven prospects really irked me
Still a really good card. Gone 5/11 so far using him. Only small knock is his lack of a strong arm, which is needed for a CF (not so bad if he's playing LF).
He one of favorite underrated player of the early 2000
Juan the don
Juan Pierre was one of the best leadoff men of the 2000s. 2200 hits and a .295 lifetime average is pretty fucking good. And his wheels were Ricky Henderson tier. A lifetime war of 17.4, lifetime OPS of .705.
Loved this dude, had him on the Cubs for a minute
If more Juan Pierres and Ichiros were in MLB, it would be more exciting to watch
juan pierre being in a jay z song is the most random thing i've ever heard
Pierre's lack of power/strength also extended to the field. Elite range but his defensive stats are weighed down hard by his arm. -11 career DRS, but -26 run saves from his arm
i was literally thinking about juan pierre earlier great timing
Most underrated lead off hitter ever. Over .295 avg, 2,000+ hits and over 600 SB
Man this type of play needs to make a comeback, there needs to be more stolen bases and higher batting avg, also realize how the teams who always win the ws are in the top 5 batting avg, unlike the Yankees who soley rely on Homeruns which isn’t winning baseball, it’s more flashy but it doesn’t lead you to wins or championships. Stolen bases needs to become a primary focus again like it was in the 80’s pre
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He was never an all star? That's a crime he was a problem
He was by far my favorite player growing up
That 03 marlins team was stacked.
Juan "Pain in the Ass!" Pierre was truly a pain in the ass on the base paths!
Homeruns win games
Slash bunt singles win championships
I ALWAYS grab Pierre in 2k6 on the gamecube
I loved him as a kid when he was on the Dodgers
Juan Pierre was a Monster for me in MVP 05...I got like 3,000 hits outta him and 1,000 sbs lol dude was a beast, also hit like 150 jacks
We need a full video on Chicken Wolf's career
Did you know you have rights got me good
I was a skinny kid playing ball. He was one of my favorites watching growing up
Surprised he never got an All Star appearance
Pierre exclusively used the B or O button on his controller
Juan Pierre is a legend in my book!
Wow this is really cool, I always like watching players who steal and slap the ball around for base hits
Amazing!
Have u ever seen Enrique Bradfield Jr play? For Vanderbilt? Imo, very similar to Juan Pierre.
Loved when he was on my team such a fun player
Pierre was an example of " you can't coach/teach speed "...if you can hit, you'll always have a job( at least until analytics/shifts discouraged hitting for contact/average, and devaluing the stolen base)...he might have been considered HOF- worthy if he'd played before 1990...as the title of the video implies, he was a throwback
He played beautiful baseball
My lead off hitter in MLB the show
Juan Pierre single handily won Game 1 of the 2003 World Series against the Yankees with his small ball prowess
Tbh, these kind of players are WAY MORE entertaining than your modern day slugger who either hits a home run,strikeout or walks. It's nice actually seeing baseball being played and not 9 guys standing around
I'd rather watch team of Pierres than the typical modern team full of three true outcome hitters.
Socking dingers is great and all but it seems to be over-emphasized a bit at the moment.
Message the "secret base" YT channel and ask them to do a fumble dimension video about this. Maybe they'll do it if you plead your case enough.
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That's a good idea. I did it.
Scott Podisnick is in this category too
yoo ..son i got to get that fly buttercup dickerson throwback