I would have to disagree. This is because many players, myself included don’t like Liam Pitchford’s play style. Now don’t misunderstand, Liam Pitchford is top 100 he’s an outstanding players and should be praised. However for people who don’t like this play style, this is not the “best” tutorial. No need for an argument btw I’m just saying this to throw it out there. This video helped me out a ton.
Loved this tutorial Tom and Ference. I always had a good backhand, but with this extra shot it will deffoe give my usual opponents a bit of a shock. Great stuff guys keep it going please.
Hi Tom, I would like to thank you and Ferenc for the video of the forhand loop. Especially step 6, position on the table... close to the table, left leg "under" the table... this was a detail really helped me to do "one step forward" to get an imagination how forhand loop works... "the ball is falling down close to the table" --> you have to stay close to the table, facing the ball... 👍👍👍
Thank you very much! The best explaination of the backhandloop. Now it makes sense. I should lift the forearm first and then put the wrist Into action and not holding the wrist down Before moving the arm. Now I get why that doesn't work. The wrist is turned before hitting the ball. Moving the wrist later as a whipping action will impact the ball at the right time
Great tutorial. This backhand smash/loop has always been my best shot. This tutorial helped me tweak out and correct some bad habits I discovered I had. Terrific video. Thank you very much.
Excellent Tom & always looking forward to your video’s & the guests of Who’s Who of the Table Tennis 🏓 World Novice Sydney down under ❤like the break down & commentary & the contents of all your video’s 💯😜🤙🏽😎👍🏽👌🏽
Great tutorial. Can u point out the differences between backhand topspin and backhand loop? Maybe a side-to-side tutorial or some references to ur past tutorials will be welcomed. Thanks.
Tom, this video focuses more on looping backspin? or the same technique applies to both topspin & backspin? if not, please have another video focusing on looping topspin. Ferenc is an amazing coach, thanks!
If the ball has topspin, you should start with your elbow and bat higher. You also need to close the bat angle and the stroke should be more forwards than up. I always think of it this way - if backspin - swing up, if topspin - swing forward.
Tom, there are many suggestions about shifting weight from left to right when looping backhand, but this video never mentioned it. Or Ferenc technique is different?
Me again, I have one suggestion. Now you have a good video on forehand loop and one on backhand, how about a video with focusing on the transition back and forth between the two (for players that don't switch grip)? I don't find that much on RUclips on this topic, and Ferenc' input on this could be really helpful for beginners like me.
Great video as always. Could you please make a tutorial of how to receive short/long no spin ball/serve? It’s quite hard for me to handle that type of ball. Thank you.
Great tutorial! If the opening backhand topspin is against backspin, how would the movement for the followup bh attack differ? I realize the energy should be more forwards than upwards, but it would be great to hear you explain this. Again, thanks for the video!
The key for an effective follow-up topspin is your elbow position, recovered balanced stance and relaxed elbow-wrist. With the open-up, if the follow-through is properly done, your elbow is taken to a centered, idle position, high enough to give you a good chance to topspin the next blocked-back ball on the top (10-40 degrees). Since the open-up takes you close to the table, you need to make sure that the follow-up doesn't find you too close. The contact timing on the backhand follow-up can be earlier than the highest point of the arc, to give you more offensive edge. The swinging wave is launched simply around the elbow by the forearm muscles, the swinging angle is closely aligned with the racket angle, the upper arm shouldn't really move. For me, the wrist does 80% of the job, the elbow 20%. If your elbow is stable during the topspin, the quality and consistency will increase. See at 8:43.
@@hotlavafse6932 Loops are like heavy topspin shots. You see players hit down to up at an angle. I actually did some looping in my video but it isn't the best.
Hi, very nice video. One thing though, the part where Ferenc explains how to move the wrist - imho, what you do AFTER making contact with the ball has no effect anymore on the ball. I feel Ferenc does not explain correctly why you should let your wrist swing to the end. He is right, but he is not explaining the reason. I remember seeing a different tutorial that explains the premature breaking effect that can happen if you don't swing freely.
Thank you for your insight! It is mentioned in the video that if you don't swing your wrist to the right side endpoint, you "sacrifice a little bit of extra spin" (from 4:56) meaning your maximum spin output would be less. What could have been added is that the wrist follow-through has an essential role in controlling, directing these loops, pinpointing their placement accuracy, creating higher arc loops when necessary. Also, that right side bat endpoint relaxes your wrist by driving it to an aligned, straight "idle" position, keeping your wrist and forearm relaxed during those milliseconds between consecutive loops.
About grip, i found that if i loosen my index and thumb but apply pressure with other three fingers i get more bat speed but i lose control of shot. So which one is better? Holding bat with thumb and index finger or other three fingers
Yes, this is to be used against a backspin ball. Against a topspin ball you can use a similar stroke (topspin), but your bat should start higher and go forwards, rather than up. Your bat angle will be more closed and the contact will be more over the top of the ball, rather than up the back of the ball.
Dear Tom I would like to make some comments. In another video you admit that the backhand loop is a "sore point" not only for you, but for most of low level and intermediate players, so it could be a good idea to develop this concept in another two videos at least that could be very useful for your many followers. 1) I noticed that you provide us many examples of backhand loops, multiball training like this, but the opening action starts only when the ball is quite long, that is easier. Very often, during a real match, a good defender plays short balls and force the attacker in long pushes courses rallies that usually ends with an error of the attacker. Could you please teach us how to open a short ball, with heavy underspin effect? I guess the key from the attacker point of view could be try to force long pushes until a long ball comes and then attack it with a loop. But it is not easy at all, especially during the stress of a match. One video with tips and drills to overcome this mental and technical point could be welcomed by you. 2) Some players says the it is easier to open with a backhand loop if you use short pimples rubber, that is a sort of trick for being less sensible to underspin effect. Could you explain in practice this concept? Is there in your club a player with short pimples rubber that is available to show us this tecnique? Could you suggest us some training drills useful also in this case? Thank you very much for your attention.
You raise many interesting points here. Let me have a think about this. I often cover this when I'm coaching others, but I'll need to work out how to make it into a video tutorial.
I don’t know if the blocking guy is messing up purposely. Otherwise, SH has really horrible blocks. Any shot to the middle and he’s completely helpless. I thought that’s only a problem with beginners. I am a beginner penholder looking to switch to SH and I think those balls are slow enough (like practice mode) to block with TBP.
Very few people know how to do back hand. You are no exception. First, you are stiff. Second, your left foot should be forward. Third, your backswing should be straight down your left side and part with a side spin. Fourth, you must follow through as though you are hitting a gold ball. Enough for now. As they say, just have fun.
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Timestamps:
0:50 bat position
2:10 swing
4:13 bat finishing position
5:41 grip
6:45 more speed and spin
8:23 backhand loop in action
IMO! This is the best backhand topspin tutorial you will find. This is exactly how Liam Pitchford does his.
Thank you! :)
Definitely Enjoyed That Thankyou
I would have to disagree. This is because many players, myself included don’t like Liam Pitchford’s play style. Now don’t misunderstand, Liam Pitchford is top 100 he’s an outstanding players and should be praised. However for people who don’t like this play style, this is not the “best” tutorial. No need for an argument btw I’m just saying this to throw it out there. This video helped me out a ton.
Such a nice demonstration with slow rhythm of speaking, which help us to understand all important actions. GREAT.
Most detailled backhand explanation on RUclips 👌
Really good tutorial, Ferenc explained it very well. He seems very consistent in his shots.
His teaching videos are so amazing.. they definitely deserve way more likes and views.. :)
Thanks! Ferenc is really great at this. Perfect tutorial.
Thank you!
Wow. Very nice tipps, Ferenc. Everybody told us, to fix the elbow and only rotate with the forearm. But this technique is insane! Thanks a lot!
Yes, Ferenc has a very fluid technique with his forearm and wrist. I like it a lot.
Me too. I will try to acquire this technique ;-)
Loved this tutorial Tom and Ference. I always had a good backhand, but with this extra shot it will deffoe give my usual opponents a bit of a shock. Great stuff guys keep it going please.
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Thanks Tom and ferenc that was brilliant . The attention to detail is exactly what i need to execute this shot and im starting to get there.
Thank You Tom! Köszönöm, Ferenc!
Very detailed explaination of Backhand Loop. Thanks a lot for this amazing Video
Thank you! :)
Hi Tom, I would like to thank you and Ferenc for the video of the forhand loop. Especially step 6, position on the table... close to the table, left leg "under" the table... this was a detail really helped me to do "one step forward" to get an imagination how forhand loop works... "the ball is falling down close to the table" --> you have to stay close to the table, facing the ball... 👍👍👍
You're very welcome! :)
Thank you very much! The best explaination of the backhandloop. Now it makes sense. I should lift the forearm first and then put the wrist Into action and not holding the wrist down Before moving the arm. Now I get why that doesn't work. The wrist is turned before hitting the ball. Moving the wrist later as a whipping action will impact the ball at the right time
Great tutorial. This backhand smash/loop has always been my best shot. This tutorial helped me tweak out and correct some bad habits I discovered I had. Terrific video. Thank you very much.
Thank you!
Very helpful. Great detail. Thanks!
Super Tom!!!
Thank you Ferenc.
🏓👍
Wow! How beautifully explained...👍
Great video, thanks!
Great tips that,ll cure my weak backhand low shot..to develop into something..
from a Auckland senior
this is the best tutorial that makes more sense
Excellent Tom & always looking forward to your video’s & the guests of Who’s Who of the Table Tennis 🏓 World Novice Sydney down under ❤like the break down & commentary & the contents of all your video’s 💯😜🤙🏽😎👍🏽👌🏽
Very good video 🏓
Very very good tutorial!! Keep up the good work!!!
thanks it was quite useful
Sou do Brasil, parabens pelo video rapido e direto, foi otima sua explicacao e técnica, vou colocar em prática e muito obrigado!
Thanks for the tips I really appreciate it 😁😊😅
grest video, and very very detailed. awesome!
Yahoo i need TT tips and tricks and thank you 👍🏻👍🏻🤩
super video,the same in vorhand topspin please...
Thank you Tommy!
I- Who?
Great tutorial. Can u point out the differences between backhand topspin and backhand loop? Maybe a side-to-side tutorial or some references to ur past tutorials will be welcomed. Thanks.
Yayy! Tom uploaded!
Thanks Tom. Appreciate.
Tom, this video focuses more on looping backspin? or the same technique applies to both topspin & backspin? if not, please have another video focusing on looping topspin. Ferenc is an amazing coach, thanks!
When Tom use the word Looping is just use in case backspin ball. If topsin is Tom will use word topspin back hand against topspin ball.
If the ball has topspin, you should start with your elbow and bat higher. You also need to close the bat angle and the stroke should be more forwards than up. I always think of it this way - if backspin - swing up, if topspin - swing forward.
Tom Lodziak love that simplicity: backspin swing up; topspin swing forward
Tom, there are many suggestions about shifting weight from left to right when looping backhand, but this video never mentioned it. Or Ferenc technique is different?
Me again, I have one suggestion. Now you have a good video on forehand loop and one on backhand, how about a video with focusing on the transition back and forth between the two (for players that don't switch grip)? I don't find that much on RUclips on this topic, and Ferenc' input on this could be really helpful for beginners like me.
Kolejny dobry film Tomaszu, dzięki ✌️
Perfect lessons thanks alot.
Great video
Thank you coach👍🏻
Great video as always. Could you please make a tutorial of how to receive short/long no spin ball/serve? It’s quite hard for me to handle that type of ball. Thank you.
Great tutorial! If the opening backhand topspin is against backspin, how would the movement for the followup bh attack differ? I realize the energy should be more forwards than upwards, but it would be great to hear you explain this. Again, thanks for the video!
The key for an effective follow-up topspin is your elbow position, recovered balanced stance and relaxed elbow-wrist. With the open-up, if the follow-through is properly done, your elbow is taken to a centered, idle position, high enough to give you a good chance to topspin the next blocked-back ball on the top (10-40 degrees). Since the open-up takes you close to the table, you need to make sure that the follow-up doesn't find you too close. The contact timing on the backhand follow-up can be earlier than the highest point of the arc, to give you more offensive edge. The swinging wave is launched simply around the elbow by the forearm muscles, the swinging angle is closely aligned with the racket angle, the upper arm shouldn't really move. For me, the wrist does 80% of the job, the elbow 20%. If your elbow is stable during the topspin, the quality and consistency will increase. See at 8:43.
@@paragontabletennis8555 Thank you for your answer! I'll need to read that a couple of times and let it sink in... 🙂
Thank you :)
Nice coaching
Very good demotration
Thanks a lot.
great stuff
All is said , now its time to practice and relax mentally !
Excellent!
Хороший урок. Спасибо.
Iam beginner thanks coach, I will try it with friends
I'm learning British english and also how to play table tennis 😅
why?
@@pingcredible3477 I'm brazilian, my native language is portuguese.
@@mickteixeira5422 Oh cool!!
@@pingcredible3477 What is a loop? Im new to table tennis
@@hotlavafse6932 Loops are like heavy topspin shots. You see players hit down to up at an angle. I actually did some looping in my video but it isn't the best.
The most elegant shot in table tennis.
Nice video...i always enjoy.
I wish i can get a giveaway racket from u of any sort, just a confused player without rubber😭
Thanks 😊
Thanks Tom , by the way, what equipment using Ferenc Horvath ?
Hi, very nice video.
One thing though, the part where Ferenc explains how to move the wrist - imho, what you do AFTER making contact with the ball has no effect anymore on the ball. I feel Ferenc does not explain correctly why you should let your wrist swing to the end. He is right, but he is not explaining the reason. I remember seeing a different tutorial that explains the premature breaking effect that can happen if you don't swing freely.
Thank you for your insight! It is mentioned in the video that if you don't swing your wrist to the right side endpoint, you "sacrifice a little bit of extra spin" (from 4:56) meaning your maximum spin output would be less. What could have been added is that the wrist follow-through has an essential role in controlling, directing these loops, pinpointing their placement accuracy, creating higher arc loops when necessary. Also, that right side bat endpoint relaxes your wrist by driving it to an aligned, straight "idle" position, keeping your wrist and forearm relaxed during those milliseconds between consecutive loops.
Thanks
About grip, i found that if i loosen my index and thumb but apply pressure with other three fingers i get more bat speed but i lose control of shot. So which one is better? Holding bat with thumb and index finger or other three fingers
I guess I will improve my best weapon even further.
May I ask you or anyone who knows what is the difference between backhand topspin and backhand loop. Thank you.
What is the rubber Ferenc Horvath on this BH loop? Asking if short pips can do this job?
I use Xiom Omega series, currently Omega IV Pro (max). Short pips require a different technique to attack backspin, unfortunately.
Super
Is this only used against backspin?
Yes, this is to be used against a backspin ball. Against a topspin ball you can use a similar stroke (topspin), but your bat should start higher and go forwards, rather than up. Your bat angle will be more closed and the contact will be more over the top of the ball, rather than up the back of the ball.
He has good forehand as well...
how to hit long distance spin
Dear Tom I would like to make some comments.
In another video you admit that the backhand loop is a "sore point" not only for you, but for most of low level and intermediate players, so it could be a good idea to develop this concept in another two videos at least that could be very useful for your many followers.
1) I noticed that you provide us many examples of backhand loops, multiball training like this, but the opening action starts only when the ball is quite long, that is easier. Very often, during a real match, a good defender plays short balls and force the attacker in long pushes courses rallies that usually ends with an error of the attacker. Could you please teach us how to open a short ball, with heavy underspin effect? I guess the key from the attacker point of view could be try to force long pushes until a long ball comes and then attack it with a loop. But it is not easy at all, especially during the stress of a match. One video with tips and drills to overcome this mental and technical point could be welcomed by you.
2) Some players says the it is easier to open with a backhand loop if you use short pimples rubber, that is a sort of trick for being less sensible to underspin effect. Could you explain in practice this concept? Is there in your club a player with short pimples rubber that is available to show us this tecnique? Could you suggest us some training drills useful also in this case?
Thank you very much for your attention.
You raise many interesting points here. Let me have a think about this. I often cover this when I'm coaching others, but I'll need to work out how to make it into a video tutorial.
@@TomLodziak Thank for your answer and your efforts to make tennistable more and more enjoyable and understandable to your many fans and followers.
I think this is a modern technique
Magyarul nem csinálsz egy ugyan ilyet?
Talán egyszer, de nem hiszem, hogy lenne rá közönségem. :)
Na jó, bojler.
I don’t know if the blocking guy is messing up purposely. Otherwise, SH has really horrible blocks. Any shot to the middle and he’s completely helpless. I thought that’s only a problem with beginners. I am a beginner penholder looking to switch to SH and I think those balls are slow enough (like practice mode) to block with TBP.
Who use left and right hand
I do it
@@ElloRadis poor thing no one replies to u
I do it too. It's very useful.
Is everyone here to dominate the office or is it just me ?
Ferenc Horvarth is Very cute 🌈🌈🌈👌👌👌💐💐👍👍
sound quality could be improved
Very few people know how to do back hand. You are no exception. First, you are stiff. Second, your left foot should be forward. Third, your backswing should be straight down your left side and part with a side spin. Fourth, you must follow through as though you are hitting a gold ball. Enough for now. As they say, just have fun.
Thanks coach ❤️❤️❤️
First
by the way , his posture doesnt look pretty lol
anyway i enjoyed it keep the good work
Looks awful, so stiff 😅 Looping backhand is a beauty and powerful 😊