Why Bacta Can't Heal DARTH VADER & Why He Uses It Anyway - Star Wars Explained
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Hi! Tissue engineer here. Scar tissue isn't actually dead at all, in fact it's surface is more alive than regular skin. Normal skin layers cells with them dying off and forming a protective barrier about 7/8ths of the way up. So the skin you see is actually dead cells. This is all gone in healed 3rd degree burns, with a thinner protective barrier before you get to the living tissue. It still definitely holds up that bacta, merely providing optimal conditions for natural healing, would not heal the scar tissue beyond just being healthy scar tissue. What's gone is gone and only that specific tissue remembered how to grow back properly. Vader would need skin transplants for that. Idk how advanced tissue engineering is in the swu, but today we could definitely improve his condition. Maybe he elects to be in agony because else he would be left alone with the aforementioned mental anguish?
Vader would also be guaranteed to be suffering from chronic itch and chronic pain; neurological pathologies. If bacta can't be expected to cure something like diabetes, it wouldn't alleviate the phantom itch and pain he would feel from his healed 3rd degree burns. The nerves in your skin go all the way to your spine before you reach the actual nerve cells. This means Vader still has the same amount of neurons that usually would interpret sensations, except the majority of them have had their lines of communication brutally destroyed. This leaves the affected areas permanently without any form of real sensation, while at the same time leaves your peripheral nervous system only able to tell your brain constant incorrect sensory information. This hurts, that burns, my missing leg itches, all day, everyday, forever.
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The pain and discomfort makes him stronger With the dark side. Take that away and Vader could be weaker
@@justinklugTV Would you consider Star Wars's bacta to be something that would be great to have in our everyday world ?
Palpatine intentionally didn’t provide the best treatment. In the current comics it’s noted that his suit is essentially “junk” put together. Vader also does seem to want to punish himself.
@@PereMarquette1223 he would more than make up for it with his regained potential and increased connection to the Force as a whole, rather than simply one tiny aspect of it
One problem I notice is that bacta is best effective when used for prolonged and regular use. Vader is constantly away from his bacta tank due to his position as the emperors hand as well as his own personal duties.
Vader is not the Emperors Hand, the Emperors Hands had quite a bit more power than Vader ever did. It's why he hated Mara Jade, and why she considered him a rival. Vader is usually treated more like a failed project by Palpatine as opposed to anything of value.
@@CryingCreeperMLG "Ironic"
@@CryingCreeperMLG She only exists in legends continuity, and that's not how Sidius views Darth Vader in canon, only in legends.
@@CryingCreeperMLG Multiple "hands" tried unsuccessfully to replace Vader. Vader was still stronger.
Didnt Darth Sidious literally tell Luke to kill Vader and come to his side in the original triology? Doesn't seem like the treatment someone very valued would get. More like a throw away piece really.
Imagine how powerful Darth Vader would be if his injuries did heal
Dark dimension vader is the answer
But he might also be less connected to the Dark Side
His injuries did heal. But only so much can be done when he literally should have died, only his hate kept him alive long enough for Sidious to rescue him. Without the tech he'd die if you need tech to keep you alive no amount of time in Bacta is going to fix that.
@@TheSklar he'd be more connected to the force in a whole...
If you lose limbs you lose force potential...
It's quite silly in my opinion but that's the way it works if your body is intact you have higher potential in the force as it flows through living things....
If they wanted to make it something real they could have been like the force causes a mutation in the brain and the people with the mutation and how mutated it is depends on potential and power...
He'd still be a little short.
Theory: Darth Vader's condition is all tied to a type of self mutilation through the force; consciously and subconsciously. The absolute antithesis of Darth Sidious, who directed his power and hatred outward onto others; Darth Vader focus almost all his power and hatred inward to himself. If the dark side can corrupt Darth Sidious so fully (physically), image what that would do to someone with as much self-hate as Darth Vader.
Hmmmmm. I like this. I'm gonna adopt this train of thought.
You’re saying that Darth Vader is permanently covered in scarring not because of the burns lasting effect but because he’s self harming with some sort of internal force lighting? *WHAT THE HELL IS EVEN THAT*
One who hates themselves as in lost in their own in guilt and grief cannot heal unless they let go and find peace. The guilt he had over Padmé completely consumed him, he couldn’t find peace, he couldn’t heal. That could be canon, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lucas said that. It’s a sad notion, yet a cool thought nonetheless.
@@PSIorDIE he never brought up lighting also ppl tend to just focus on one side of their point. He's saying that on top of the burns and fight, alot of his hatred is channeled towards himself and ofc he let's that out onto other ppl but I'd say the person he truly hates the most is sidious then himself maybe obi somewhere in there ? But it does corrupt (the darkside) when steeped in it often look no further than Palpatine the most perfect example lolz.
@@fellowasp6768 Canonically, the person Vader hates the most is himself. He does absolutely hate Sidious as well, though, and often thought about killing the Emperor.
Just wanted to add some information here.
The Canon description of Bacta is this: Bacta was a mixture of kavam and alazhi bacteria combined with ambori fluid and a type of barley known as Vratixia renanicus.
Promoting rapid regeneration of organic compounds, bacta could be used in a variety of both critical and noncritical medical situations. Described as being warm to the touch, the bacta liquid could aid in the healing of concussions, internal organs, and broken ribs. Furthermore, it could be placed in small dishes to help regrow fingernails, mend cuts, burns, and other injuries. Due to its "one-size fits all" use in medical applications, it was a highly prized and commonly used medical treatment for most, if not all, injuries. Bacta could also knit together broken bones.
Despite its highly regenerative properties, some individuals harbored negative feelings towards the substance, finding its viscosity somewhere between liquid and slime. Additionally, most bacta patients felt as if they were being swallowed alive upon being submerged in the substance. As such, most doctors injected sedatives first, while subsequent waves of relaxation would slowly overcome the patient, sending them into a meditative state. While most retained consciousness, the combination of drugs and bacta commonly lead patients to feeling like they were drifting into another world, with some comparing it to being in a mother's womb. Upon emerging from the liquid, many would describe feeling worse for a few days due to the loss of serenity precipitated by the substance. However, some would find the opposite to be true, describing their bodies as feeling light and free from pain.
In order to allow a patient to retain normal functions, a breathing apparatus was provided to the individual along with specialized sensors that allowed the doctor to monitor their patients' bodily functions while submerged.
Also, it is referenced in "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" (both the movie and the book) that in the safety of his compound on Mustafar, Darth Vader would often have his suit removed and submerge himself in a bacta tank in order to heal the pain caused by his injuries. Vader also hoped that with continued bacta use, his lungs might be healed, freeing him from the breathing apparatus that he was forced to use.
The Legends description of Bacta is this: Bacta was an organic chemical substance that consisted of gelatinous, translucent red alazhi and kavam bacterial particles that were mixed within a colorless, viscous fluid known as ambori. When a patient was exposed to bacta, the bacterial particles within sought out wounds and promoted rapid tissue regeneration while preventing the emergence of scar tissue. Bacta was often thought of as a "miracle fluid" and seemed to be effective against almost every type of injury and ailment across an incredible cross-section of species throughout the galaxy. It was considered the best medicine available anywhere, replacing the previously used kolto.
Bacta could be administered via disposable bacta patches, direct injection, consumption (via bactade), a salve, a Bio-Bacta tank, or submersion in a standard bacta tank. For bacta immersion, the patient would be clothed in either just white shorts or a white sleeveless top and briefs depending on the person's gender. The method of administration depended on the severity of the wounds. It was imperative that bacta be applied in a solution of clear fluid which mimicked the body's own vital fluids.
Bacta tanks came in two varieties: large tanks for installation in medical facilities, and portable collapsible tanks for emergency use. Field tanks required patients to lie on their backs or stomachs while the bacta was run out and in again through filters.
Bacta had a cloying fragrance and a lingering sour taste that was reminiscent of flat or stale lum. It reputedly stayed in the mouth and nasal cavity for weeks after immersion in a tank. The patch left a somewhat weaker-smelling residue.
As for its potency in Legends, Bacta was produced in various strengths and potencies based on many different factors. A batch's quality depended upon how the various ingredients were blended, the site where the ingredients were produced, and the Vratix Verachen that oversaw the blending. As Thyferra was the source of almost all the bacta in the galaxy while it was produced under the Imperial-backed duopoly of Xucphra and Zaltin, it was also the source of the strongest bacta. Such high-quality product was generally not exported; if it was, it was sold at incredibly high prices. Export-quality bacta was, typically, nowhere near as effective, meaning that more grievous injuries required longer exposure in order to be properly treated and healed.
Also, Bacta was entirely organic for most of the continuity of the SW Universe. However, and I cannot recall where I read this, but it seems that by the rule of Darth Krayt and his voice Darth Wryylock, Bacta was able to be synthetically created, albeit at a slightly reduced healing rate and that naturally produced Bacta was still highly prized.
As for Darth Vader, it was probably just that Palpatine kept such a strict watch on him, that a long stay in the Bacta tank would have been impossible as Palpatine would have sensed his healed body. Also, Vader was offered another suit in Legends, however he actually refused it because he was unsure if he would lose his connection to the Dark Side as the new suit supposedly required a brain transference to the new suit. As a final note, Vader DID relax in his castle on Mustafar and Vjun often working on his TIE Advanced Prototype, or meditating as the video said in what little time he could be in the Bacta Tank or in his hyperbaric chamber occasionally eating.
@@deathstrike Thank you, both of you, for adding this. I was wondering how far I'd have to scroll before someone mentioned that Bacta is made from bacteria.
Something I'm surprised not to see mentioned, though, is that a big reason he refused the upgrades and new suit is Anakin did not TRUST Palpatine, and for good reason. Palpatine never stopped trying to come up with new ways of controlling his apprentice, even when it hampered his effectiveness and blunted his utility. Vader noticed early on that his suit would conduct Sith Lightning, and correctly surmised that this was a deliberately designed killswitch. The only way Palpatine ever offered to remove this handicap was by replacing it with worse ones, the most notable example being essentially a Greivous-like droid exoskeleton with an actual friggin' switch that the Emperor could use to just... shut him off. It's a little baffling, honestly, that Palpatine would even try to pull one over on someone as mechanically adept as Anakin. Did he have so much faith in Imperial Engineering that he really believed they could design a suit with such cunningly hidden control mechanisms that even Anakin would never suspect they were there? Or was it just hubris, causing him to underestimate his apprentice, or overestimate his own ability to cloud his judgement with pain?
Before anyone says anything, I know it's been almost a year. Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :)
@@thewoundedjester Quite welcome, it's always good when other add to the thread, thus adding subtlety to the SW Lore. We never knew the full extent of Palpatine's powers, nor how much of Darth Plagueis (Hugo Damask) teachings and knowledge that Palpatine still possessed. We knew Plagueis was incredibly powerful and very knowledgeable about the Dark Side of the Force. So it's safe to assume Palpatine kept enough tabs on Vader that he couldn't almost breathe without permission. I think Palpatine knew that if Vader had found what Plagueis had learned about controlling midichlorians, Vader could have either transferred himself to a freshly cloned and injury free Anakin Skywalker. Or at the very least with his knowledge of building droids, he could have probably had a suit that was both comfortable, and enhanced his already formidable abilities.
And as soon as he put it on, Palpatine would have gone after him just as he did with Darth Maul and his brother Savage Oppress on Mandalore. He called Maul his "rival", promptly killed his brother, then thrashed Maul to where he was begging for mercy. Also I think Vader had simply given up. He may have just felt he deserved what he got because of killing Padmae. He wanted to be healed more, but as soon as he worked up the courage to do so, the guilt and Palpatine's "punishments" kicked in to defeat him all over again. Even as dark and twisted as Vader was, you couldn't help but feel a bit of sympathy for him for all he had suffered in a relatively short life. From hero to monster, from husband to widow, from leader to puppet. So in conclusion, I doubt anything could heal him be it bacta or his own son. Redeemed, but never healed at least physically.
@@deathstrike Very good points, especially about his own self-loathing. I hadn't considered that, but you're absolutely right. The thing holding Anakin back the most is his certainty that he deserves to suffer. Perhaps this is what makes him so strong in the Dark Side, at a point where many other Sith are experiencing diminishing returns: he may not truly believe in the Sith, but he certainly believes he truly deserves his torment. Viewed through that lens, everything- his refusal of Bacta, his unwillingness to modify his own suit for comfort, his fear of serenity during meditation- begins to make perfect sense. It's not about the power it brings, the pain is the entire point. Even his own son's forgiveness couldn't convince him otherwise, it was only the realization that his children were about to share his pain that changed his mind. Then again, in the end, perhaps it took both.
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You'd think with the medical advances in SW that they could have regenerated live skin or even his appendages but like you stated, he seemed to use that pain to harness the dark side of the force, kinda twisted, honestly...
I'm mean freaking Palapatine is making gobs of clones but Vader won't heal himself...silly Sith...I mean, Darth Vader is great...Don't forc..*gasp*
It’s in the great Vader comics that indeed Sidious did have far more advanced medical procedures that he could of used on his apprentice. Sidious was so angry after finding the burnt Anakin that he didn’t even allow Vader any painkillers on the operation table and that it was Sidious who used Dark side energy to drain the life of Padme to keep Vader alive, which is why the droids had no answers to why Padme was dying on em after giving birth?
After all this Sidious purposefully used less than adequate technology in Vader’s suit and life support and he made it susceptible to electric shocks on purpose in case he ever felt like turning on Sidious as is the way of the Sith.
Long post I know but in short you could say that Sidious went the extra mile in using extraordinary Sith dark magic in keeping Vader alive and that he was right to keep Vader in this state to carry out his duties as an attack dog and that anything more, then its frightening to think how powerful Vader would of been🤯
In some of the legends extended universe stories I read years a go, if Vader wanted to he could have healed from his injuries. The key was cloning tech. He could have had cloning specialist grow everything from cloned limbs, cloned skin, and cloned organs. He could have had all the surgeries to attach all the new material to his body seamlessly. He would have looked just like his previous Anakin Skywalker self. For a short time at least. Cloned body parts are ridiculously expensive but Vader didn’t lack for money.
There were two reasons he didn’t go that route.
1. All that pain and anger fueled his power in the dark side. He didn’t want to give that up.
2. Dark side energy has a deteriorating effect on the body. The more you use the dark side the more decrepit you look and become. It’s the reason Palpatine looks so disgusting. It didn’t make sense in Vader’s mind to have all that cloned material grown, have the painful surgeries to implant it and all for the dark side to destroy the new flesh anyway. It would just be a constant cycle of surgeries. Cloned flesh isn’t as resistant to dark side energy as natural flesh. He stayed like he was and compensated the best he could for his handicaps.
@@leroyjenkins4811 So Rey being Palpy's grandchild means that he in his disgusting state got with some woman who then sired Rey's mother.
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Yup. Even though Palpatine is absolutely repulsive to look at, he’s still the ruler of the galaxy. He’s one of the most powerful dark side force user ever (for those who knew about it), and he’s ridiculously rich. Despite the fact that he looks like somebody’s scrotum, somebody would still be attracted to him. Having that much money and power is it’s own type of attractiveness.
It’s the same reason 65 year old billionaires who look like stir fried poop can date women who are in their twenties.
He was afraid to move into another suit, in one of the books, it said he can only live for seconds without his breather, and he don’t trust humans, droids, to accomplish it. It’s also palpatine who gave Vader that horrible suit, that has a weakness to lighting. Vader couldn’t see past his failures, or rage against jedi, that is why he always was a puppet. Always looking for approval, and palpatine, knew how to manipulate him wonderfully
He also knew that if he tried to change his suit, palpatine would immediately destroy him. Palps kept an INTENSE eye on Vader because he knew Vader hated him
@@jaceritchie7948 Well, in the comics, Palpatine actually tells Vader that he can design his suit the way he wants.
@@demonicaxeman7264 while thats true, we know that vader and palpatine's relationship.... well lets just say they say things that dont mean what theyre saying. Yes, palpatine DID tell vader he could design his own suit any way he wanted, but we know that, given the chance, vader would destroy palpatine. If palpatine knew vader had the ability to destroy him, he would destroy vader before he had the chance, i.e. in the middle of a suit change. Vader knew it would be too risky to attempt a change that gave him any advantage, even one that was minor like ease of living
@@demonicaxeman7264 its just terrible inconsistent writing. Star Wars had terrible writing from jump
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He probably uses it like therapy like how people use hot tubs to deal with pain. He knows it wont heal him entirely but being in the bacta tank may be the only time he's without pain.
Not true, if anything he’d be in more pain. Bacta can bring out a lot of bad memories just like PTSD, look at Obi-Wan in the Kenobi series or Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett.
@@cherm722 depends on what type of bacta it is, I assume it's high grade and nice feeling.
@@Ailumer no! It’s essentially an isolation tank, and without sensory input, flashbacks would be inevitable for someone with severe PTSD.
@@jonbodhican’t bacta also be addicting? Or am I making that up
@@dedsec9734i remember hearing that somewhere. I think the Boba Fett series
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Yeah, Vader was like a walking 4th degree burn; 98% of his skin was dead, with a few small 3rd degree areas that constantly got re-inflamed. If he'd sat in bacta for a few weeks and didn't do anything but rest, that 2% WOULD have healed. But ya know, the man had a galaxy to dominate and control, jedi to hunt down and kill, ain't nobody got time for that. Not for a lousy 2%. 😆
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You said 98% was burned. So the remaining 2% is healthy skin? I don’t get it
@@AiladnamNiaz 2% is unhealthy, yet still living, skin.
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It looks as though, if you look at him right after Mustafar and then 10 years later in Kenobi, Vader does look less horrific over time until we see him in RotJ. Although perhaps it just gradually healed what it could in his face, but his body in the suit may still be terribly scarred.
I've read that Vader had synthetic skin or "Synth skin" graphs applied to his body over the years that iched intensely.
Lucas et al. did not look into actual science at all for this part of the lore. Every 7 years, the human body has replaced all skin tissue from the previous 7 year cycle. Also, the first 6 layers of skin are dead _already!_
Either way it wouldn't matter. In the bane series it's explained that the dark sides power is absolute in that it will always inevitably corrupts and weaken the body. I think short of using Darth Andeddus technique there wasn't anything that would heal him. To be fair though the only way Vader wasn't gonna be fucked regardless is if he had killed obi wan and then finished palpatine right afterwards. That would have been best case scenario for him.
By the way, just now realized the typo of "skilled" where I meant "scarred" haha. I assume by the replies you knew what I meant and chose not to roast me for said typo. Thanks lol
That is correct. By RotJ, Vader had actually healed significantly - a few more years may have been enough to ditch some of his suit. Still, there was no real hope of being fully restored.
Uhhh it has worked quite well. He was completely charred in rots and looked not too bad in obi wan considering all his skin was melted
Bacta "fails" in the same way that _Essence Transfer_ fails so quickly on a new unprepared body.
Being in the Dark Side, it causes constant *extra* necrosis on the body.
While it does heal Vader a bit, it tends to heal the extra necrotic flesh that piles on top of him not ONLY from his injuries, but the Dark Side deteriorating his flesh further.
Yea thanks for making me remember that the darkside eat your flesh while using it.
Jup this seems the most logical tbh
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Also, Vader made modifications to his suit, (at least in Legends) where it his limbs would assist with activating his muscles and tendons that did remain with electric shocks and jolts. This is how he was able to bulk up and why he was so much physically stronger than most of his opponents. He also later adjusted his lower leg limbs so that they wouldn't catch on the pants covering his legs and restrict his movements so much. He later did the same with his cybernetic hands as they initially lagged behind his actual mental commands.
If I were Vader, I would've at least tried to augment the armor to the point that any outside electrical interference would be ineffective. Maybe a small electromagnetic field generator that repells electrical waves, save for the ones that allow his suit to function properly. But most definitely restore his mobility to its former glory. In some comics, Darth Vader still has his full range of motion however this was in between RoTS and NH, when he was younger.
It is called a ground. Well, idk if a person could ground themselves against force lightning and still use the force?
Bacta tank for healing aside, another thing that's lingered in my mind that has been brought up a few times before: Vader not wishing to upgrade his suit to become even more powerful. I heard the reasonings behind his choice not to and kept thinking: Why didn't Vader take a note or two from Darth Bane? It was said Bane used armor that caused him immense pain and suffering thus strengthening his ties to the Dark Side while in battle. I am surprised Vader never thought to alter said upgrade suit with similar means? But that's my two credits on this.
There are many reasons to why he didn’t upgrade the suit but I think one of the main ones has to do with Palpatine and it’s because he designed it. One of the suits greatest weaknesses is lightning and Palps made it that way to essentially keep Vader on a leash if he steps out of line, If he allow him to have a suit that works, like you said, like Darth Bane’s, and doesn’t include the lightning limitation, he’ll be stronger of course, but then Palps would have lost his leash, or maybe Vader thinks it’s to cool looking to even need upgrade😂
He actually did alter and make changes to his suit. He even had a plan to actually fully upgrade his suit to be more suitable and comfort but due to how he was originally out together, the new survey would have to have off his life support system which had a high chance of his death and he chose not to take that chance and only make minor changes
He covers this in the video around the 5 min mark
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After listening to this video is think all these reasons are plausible. My personal reasons is think I think vader simply doesn't want to to fully restored. With the limitless resources of the empire he could've easy easily restored himself to his former glory before he got all chopped up and nearly burned alive. If he did get restored I doubt he'd be able to look at himself in a mirror after everything he's done it's far easier for him live behind a mask and lie to himself that vader and anakin are two different people. Like the novelization of revenge of the sith there is no dragon or darth vader it's all anakin skywalker.
Bullshit, he couldnt help himself
My thoughts were that by the time they found him he was too far burned to ever be healed, and the tank just helped treat the injuries
I’ve always wondered about the limitations of Bacta especially when it comes to Vader. Thank you for answering my questions!!
There's also the fact that when someone doesn't want to heal it often times doesnt heal the person as good and sometimes stop the healing entirely(like in cases were people just give up and let themselves die from their injury/illness) given thats possible IRL, imagine in SWU where force users can attune themselves to their own body and almost control it entirely. I'm sure Vader was preventing his body from healing intentionnally and like you said the bacta is a medical/heal aid, not a healing device and requires the body to command the healing in the first place which I think Vader has severed.
Even IF it largely healed him on the outside... I imagine since he can't really breath it without drowning, unless there's an airisol form, don't see it doin much for his insides. An it doesn't regrow lost limbs. So it was never gonna restore him to "full" power an ability.
Just like in real life, some people take extremely lethal injury that against all logic an seemingly any chance, somehow survive... But they're NEVER fully healed.. that's how the body works.
Besides the Dark connection and boosts from always being in pain, or least just really uncomfortable, I imagine seeing his guilt an self loathing he ALSO probably punishes himself quite a bit too not feeling deserving of comfort. Especially the Depression he suffered on the comics even tried a suicide attempt, sorta, least once.. something I also imagine the Emperor Troopers an personnel around him are also there to kinda help with though that'd be something to see...
Basically he was someone that just toughs it out an likes to stay active when he can
There is indeed bacta spray. Also bacta patches. These are more first aid oriented though.
@@TJDious yeah that's what I heard an figured too. An his thing is more an equivalent to ICU/ER followed up with intensive physical rehabilitation therapy after very extensive surgery kinda thing.. which is about the ONLY way I see there being a Vader that would move, fight, even breath and remotely look anything like the Jedi Anakin he was.
You can absolutely absorb things through the skin that effect your insides, many toxins enter the blood stream from touch and can effect your organs, and they're nowhere near as potent as bacta is supposed to be
How advanced is star wars medicine can he get some vat grown organs
@@pariswashington5543 I'll say... I'd guess a handful of steps ahead of ours. Seeing as last heard that was something we're sorta as a species, on and off, been playing around with
Interesting that in the SW universe with all these fantastic technologies, clone armies, tfl, etc etc… one has yet to invent a solution to the missing limb-problem (except prosthetics) which seems to affect so many.
Cloning new limbs is probably possible but its just cheaper to get a prosthetic thats as good. For Vader the dark side would have corrupted and killed the cloned bits and requiring regular replacement.
Good job on the video!!
My thoughts was the bacta tanks just staved off and prevented infections durring the recovery process. It also drew away body wastes through pumps and filtration.
TL;DR - Bacta can only heal you to the level your body is able to, and Vader used it mostly as therapy and to prevent further damage.
Yeah, pretty much, same with Kolto from Legends (a similar substance that was made obsolete by bacta due to kolto not being as potent)
All it really does is speed up the already existing processes, which is at least guaranteed to prevent you from bleeding to death if nothing else.
I always thought that Vader’s wounds never fully healed was because Palpatine denied him any medical treatment that would have eased the pain, since Bacta can only help so much, as a sort of punishment for his failure on Mustafar, leaving him confined to his suit and robbed of his full potential as a Sith. Turns out Vader wanted to remain in constant pain to strengthen his connection to the Dark Side.
Both can be true.
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Hey, thanks for making these videos as a longtime sw fan and nerd I am glad to see someone who not only repeats new content but dives deeper as I like to do. Although I do have a question? In the sw novel "lost stars"- (I am not sure if this is legends or not)-one of the main characters is able to regrow her liver after extensive bacta treatments over several months. Since in the video you mentioned that bacta accelerates the body's natural healing process, how was she able to do this. If you could let me know your thoughts I would appreciate it and please continue to make this content.
With this video I can see some connections between Darth Vader and Darth Sion. Both of them were in constant agony and that pain fuel their anger and hatred.
Both of them finally got free when they let go (though in case of Vader force lightning speed up the process)
I like your comment about Batca can only heal the body so much. Anakin was so full of hate, regret and loss it’s like his body wouldn’t fully heal as it was so corrupt. It must have worked somewhat because his face isn’t as scared in ROTJ.
rotj filmed in 1980? come on man
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The bacta repairs his bedsores from his suit and the open sores around his robotics because they rip from the bone and flesh during combat and simply walking around.
His burns were so severe that the bacta keeps him alive. It's literally life support. Without it, Vader would just weaken and die.
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@@AnnaBellaChannel actually i think that bacta just heals new injurys not old injuries such as scars for vader his scars is as old as luke and laia so i think that bacta just speeds the healing process of new injuries
One of my biggest issues with sci-fi like Star wars and Star Trek is there this much more advanced yet they haven't figured out how to stop aging and heal basically any disease or wound doesn't really make sense
It’s because it would make the story boring
but they male perfect prosethics for hands lost etc.
so you win some lose others haha
As for Star Wars, how can they have advance technology and yet countless people live in abject poverty, even on Coruscant.
I don’t know, there are tons of different kind of diseases and constantly changing and some yet to be discovered on one planet alone, now multiply millions or billions of planets.
And as for aging, maybe it’s unpreventable and naturally inevitable.
Maybe because of entropy. Can't "stop" aging and as we evolve the diseases evolve with us it's a constant arms race
This is a great explanation of a Bacta tank and it’s limitations.
Speeding up recovery rather than regeneration is an excellent explanation. Also it is cannon that in the SW universe they do not have a medical procedure for "regrowing limbs," like Doc Conners in Spider-man. Instead they have highly advanced prosthetics, shown by Vader, Luke, Darth Maul, etc.
I would assume that it provides him some relief. I had a friend who had badly burned his hands as a child. The scar tissue was very painful at times and he eventually had to have some surgery to give his skin more flexibility.
Just because Vader is scarred and not walking around with open wounds doesn’t mean he’s not in pain.
God I feel so bad for anikin. The fact he regrets what he did and that he hates himself for it is just saddening
That’s not anakin, Darth Vader killed anakin.
He should hate himself. He choked his wife, murdered children, and enslaved a galaxy lmao. If someone did that in real life you wouldn’t feel bad at all no matter how sad they were. Stop it. Also have a nice day.
@@Trash2000s I can feel sympathy for someone suffering while also recognizing that they're a monster who's done terrible things.
It's called not being a child.
@@Trash2000sdude was brainwashed by two cults into it since he was a child so blaming Anakin only goes so far. You would've done worse in his position, like most people, because the story of Anakin only showed a glimpse of human nature when tested.
This is a great explanation.
very intersting esspecilly part about his suit. i tought that imperator just wanna to controll him so that why suit was made like this but i dont read books or comics so i am happy for chanels like this :D
Why didn’t Vader just use the cloning technology to create new limbs/organs, to transplant his missing damage body parts.
Probably revenge reasons and pain.
I’m guessing just Like Eleven in Stranger Things the ability to utilise your full mental capacity in the force only intensifies when other senses are mute. I’m wondering why this isn’t a normal practice for any force user. Unless of course due to the intensity and power of that kind of force connection it might be too much for the average user. I would be interesting in hearing anyone who has a thought on this.
Never really thought it but it does make sense
Super interesting vid!
If Darth Vader can survive outside of his suit to get into the bacta tank he can survive to get into a better suit.
I always thought this too
From what I understand as long as the air in the room is pressurized or a breathing mask is covering his nose and mouth he would be completely fine
Bacta probably isn't a cure all. And Vader's burns are rather extensive to say the least. It certainly does help him some but burns like that often never fully heal.
I would imagine a lot of the tissue is dead or in a near constant slow rot. I mean they removed a good deal of it to keep him alive until he could be fitted with his suit.
I've always found the inner workings of the Force to be quite Interesting, and one question that has always intrigued me is why Bacta didn't work on Darth Vader. It's possible that Vader's self-hatred played a role in preventing his body from healing, as he had no interest in achieving immortality like his master. In fact, before Luke Skywalker entered his life, Vader's sole purpose was to serve his master until his eventual death. However, it's worth noting that the Force is capable of miraculous things, and we do know that Vader has used the light side ability of Force heal on at least one occasion in Legends Material. Ultimately, it's an interesting theory, and one that I find quite believable given Vader's depressed and melancholic nature.
If I recall, the wiki used to say that Vader had a lot of his skin replaced. But the artificial skin was itchy, and very uncomfortable.
I always assumed it kept him alive. Like he was slowly dieing, but he would use the tank to reset from a nearly fatal state to a severely injured, but functional one. Like, if he went a week without bacta, he’d die.
Those well definitely come in handy I wish we use bacta tanks in are world
Thankyou for repeating the same thing 3 to 4 times but each time differesntly, it really made it clear that at times you can have things answered within 2mins...
This is very interesting and explains
I also have to ask....does bacta offer pain relief as it heals? I could see that being another advantage of the tank. And why many would like it.
I guess the point is that bacta can't heal him because the injuries are just too important, but he uses it for moments of respite because it allows him to have some moments without the physical pain
I was actually wondering that question
Best answer I’ve received so far on the subject. It makes sense now why Vader could not properly heal
I always assumed he used the Bacta because his suit would cause sores in much the same way prosthetic limbs will on people if the don't wear protective covers. Vader wouldn't have used protective covers because the pain would strengthen his darkside force power but he would need to heal the wounds so they wouldn't become infected and the Bacta would do that.
I wonder if Palpatine would be aware of any healing techniques that the Dark side would offer and purposely keeps Vader occupied so that he would never figure it out.
I also believe that if Vader were to find any deeper way of healing himself like his lungs, he would have to disconnect himself from the darkside of the force, something he was unwilling to do.
Dark side doesnt have healing, which is for the best really, when you think about what that could lead to lol
The dark side cannot heal it can only wither and destroy.
@@hawk66100 then explain how mother talzin was able to heal maul using the dark side
@@jakealter5504 Nightsister Magic is a different way of using the Dark Side to the way the Sith use it through Hatred and Anger.
@@TomLevins1 The proposition was not "can a Sith do it?" The proposition was, "can the Dark Side do it?" The answer is "yes."
Wow it is interesting to see how much these videos have grown over the course of the year. This was really repetitive, but factual and gave great presentation. Future videos took the good, and adapted from the bad. Nice!
Just imagining a "prank" to pull on Vader. Slice into the medi-computers running his bacta tank, and reprogram them to start giving him increasing doses of the SW equivalents of amitriptyline and maybe anandamide (powerful antidepressants).
I think that Vader also used the dark side to such an extent that it deforms him more than the tank can heal him. The level of dark side power vader uses I imagine he would be grossly deformed even if he had not been burned.
Vader is an odd one. It's like he wants purpose to exist, but his existence is like a living hell. You would think that after some time of this, he'd realize that the dark side was wrong, if for no other reason than his constant pain, and suffering. Like "Ok you have all this power, and you're miserable. What's the point of that power if you're in misery?"
He wanted to kill himself, he tried and couldn’t. I think he knew the force had a plan for him in some way
One of the reasons I thought he wouldn't want to be healed is as a sort of penance to punish himself for what he did since there is still some good in him in the end. This could as you mentioned be linked partly to his pain giving him power or because the constant pain distracts him from his own thoughts of self loathing with what he did.
Hey man I love your content and the way you explain things. You and star wars theory. However I wish you both would just get to the point sometimes and that is the main reason why I don't click on longer videos when the title is simple to explain. Again love your content choices
So, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine, if Vader had the resources of the emperor of the Galaxy at his disposal, why wasn't medical cloning an option? As I understand it, the force is an inherently biological entity, hence why despite the fact that the medichlorians can be detected and measured, the effects of the Force cannot be, so there are no force sensitive droids. Wouldn't cloning up some new lungs, eyes, and ears have helped boost that 80% power cap?
I believe that it is possible (though super expensive, but as you already said money isnt the problem for him) but first of all he did not want to, as it would probably hinder his connection to the dark side if he was not in constant pain, then he would probably also have to replace these things as they are not "midichlorian cloned" if you get what I mean, which in return means that the dark side would corrupt said replacements, AND most importantly I think, he just cannot look in his own face in a mirror. I mean you have to remember the man is just completely mentally broken to the point where he has his Vader "Persona" for him to basically justify all the things he did and with that came the benefit that he could hide behind that Persona and mask. At least that is my opinion on that, sorry for the text wall, lol.
@@benswolo4099 in addition to all you said, remember: the emperor doesn’t WANT a fully-developed Vader, since he’s rival the emperor. This way, he’ll never attain his full power, and he’ll always be fatally vulnerable to force lightning, at which the emperor excels.
Would it heal DeadPool? 😱
Guess not. 😅
Maybe it kills cancer. Or prevents it's growth. You know... plot magic when they need it and a woman dying because she lost the will to live when they don't need it.
in Legends Dark Lord Vader is mentioned as having synth skin to cover much of the burned tissue. it seems likely that it needs to be replaced however. There's also a mention that dead tissue has to be removed reguarly.
I was literally just thinking about this
It doesn’t matter this Vader is weak only kills weak Jedi or weak people Disney made for revenge of Sith fanz it Disney made
You really know how to drag out a topic
Interesting video :)
This talk about him trying to stay in pain, and trying to stay away from his thoughts, I think it shows how deep down he really is a good guy. He just does everything he can to repress it.
I like how there's a random kingdom hearts 2 hoodie in with the star wars merch
I’d love to hear about the differences between Bacta and Kolto, both of which have been used in Star Wars for healing.
Bacta is a synthesized material, while Kolto is naturally occurring, but the only place to find it is on the sea floors of the ocean planet of Manaan.
Amazing
The first game I remember playing that was kind of historical, was Uncharted Waters: New Horizons. I'd really like to see an updated version of it.
You'd figure someone would eventually enhance the bacta fluid to give it fully regenerative healing abilities (like Wolverine's abilities).
The Emperor first took the desicion of giving Vader that subpar cibernetic suit. He wanted Vader to suffer for loosing against Obi-Wan AND wanted to limit him so he doesn't try to kill him.... as he killed Plagueis.
Yes Vader did some tweaking to his suit but as you said... he also didn't do that much because he wanted that pain and suffering to deepen his connection to the dark side, but also it was extremely risky to change his suit that much. He couldn't be out of life support fir thar long.
I also heard the reason he uses the bacta tank because the artificial skin that was put on him would itch incessantly and would drive him to the point of Madness if it wasn't scrubbed in the bacta tank once in awhile
Well in theory in the stars wars universe since it's so far in the future they should be able to sample his blood and grow new skin in a lab, same for his organs, make a clone and harvest the limbs and organs
Vaders facial scars, especially under his eyes, are a direct homage to The General in 'Hidden Fortress'.
The General had been a loyal vassal to a cruel Lord; the Lord had the General tortured and mutilated over an imagined insult.
"You caused me to lose face, so I will destroy yours!"
This same General has a last-second change of heart and allows the Princess (and the gold to finance a revolt!) to escape the evil Lord.
You can see why 'Hidden Fortress' is one of Lucas favorite movies...
it had some effect on him as seen in jedi where when luke took his helmet off and there weren't a lot of burn damage and scarring on his head as compared to how he looked at the end of episode 3
I think that we could consider almost every time Vader used Bacta as a significant draw toward the light side.
"Own discomfort"
- Darth Goggins
How does a society as advanced as the SW galaxy not have some kind of advanced stem cell treatments or cloned body part replacement? For Vader, it's because he was shown as he is at a time when such stuff was really not even in the real of science fiction yet, so kind of understandable in order to maintain continuity between trilogies and shows with him in them. Kamino was basically the only planet to have a successful full person cloning program in effect, but there had to be other worlds that looked into rebuilding bodies with cloned replacement parts. For force sensitives, midiclorian cloning was kind of established as difficult to impossible to do in the Force Unleashed games, so maybe that's the answer. Since everything in the SW galaxy is connected to the force, and has some level of midiclorians, maybe it's just insanely difficult to create living cloned tissues. Cells being taken and converted to Stem Cells and then stimulated to grow into specific tissues should still be a feasible option though, with the level of tech on display. Heck, I'm surprised that no one else has gone the route of the ancient Sith and used science rather than Sith Alchemy/Sorcery to create hybrid slave soldiers or super-soldiers that combine the DNA of numerous sentient and animal species to create ultimate specimens for specific purposes, even if such things are officially banned by the Empire or either Republic. They wouldn't even necessarily need to be slaves, there could be plenty of inhabitable worlds with no native sentient race that some science organization seeds with a super species, either to just see how they adapt and grow in the new environment, or to develop a super civilization that they may be somewhat in charge of and guide it to achieve whatever their end goal is.
Just imagine a more or less human species but maybe like 7-8 feet tall instead of 5-6. Maybe having muscle, bone and connective tissue an order of magnitude stronger than what humanity has. And a complex series of genes related to aging to allow for fast initial maturation and rapid reproductive capability but then those genes becoming dormant at maturity, with something like Yoda's species coming online to regulate aging from then on, while still maintaining human level reproduction rather than something more elf like. Perhaps using people strong in the force as the initial test subjects to ensure a race of force sensitives with an abnormally high physical prowess level. Certain animal genes could be used for both more sensitive senses as well as new senses that humans don't have. And using species with a high ability to regenerate lost limbs or damaged tissues, any injury could be healed more quickly with something like bacta, but still heal scar free even without as long as enough nutrients and a safe environment is available. Arm this species with something like Cortosis or Beskar battle armor and heavy Masers or Blasters and a lightsaber and you have a tough to beat army of super beings. Perhaps even augment their minds with genes from hyper intelligent sentient races and now they are gonna become technological powerhouses too. Or forgo the rare elements and use some Durasteel alloy that is energy weapon resistant, but make the armored suits powered systems more like a Spartan's battle armor, with atmospheric filtering to stop biological weapons or chemical weapons from being an effective deterrent.
I would think the bacta tank also has some form of anaesthetic/pain killer in it which would help Vader who would constantly be in pain. As with many pain killers its probably addictive
Basically a pasty white Freddy Krugger.
Question if we had something like this in the real world and someone lost like a finger and if they put both the missing finger and hand into the tank would the finger reattach itself if it was lost in like a few moments after it was removed
“I don’t think you actually know what a bacta tank does “literally explained what everyone already thought
I've always wondered why with all the advanced tech, and medical science in star wars. That they couldn't just make a clone and use parts from it to repair the original host. Limbs, blood, organs, skin it could all have the same genetics as the host, being cloned parts, thus a straight forward porcedure. Yet so many are running around as a bunch of cyborgs.. Advanced cybernetics can offer various distinct advantages, but in Vader's case, being a force user, I'd imagine a natural body would be the most advantageous. I've never really delved into Star wars medical lore before.
I imagine it is essentially Lactated Ringers(electrolyte solution) mixed with various amino acids, perhaps contained in AAT's(amino acid transporter); and a steroid or vasodilator to make the skin just porous enough to allow transit to arterioles. Combined with an O2 rich air mixture from the mask to help energize your body. Yeah, you'd heal faster, but not be regrowing any limbs or replacing scar tissue.
Although, whether being submerged is superior to having an IV while lying in bed is uncertain. Maybe?
So, it's basically a mixture of the most crucial components needed to heal. Like leaving a pile of building materials next to a damaged house for the owners to rebuild.
Why he doesn't get skin grafts is clearly his conscious decision. Perhaps he wants to be punished for Padme's death.
Hey got a real few questions,
1.) why did Vader never clone himself?
2.) Why was cloned tissue and limbs never get surgically grafted on?
3.) Why has no one asked this before ?
Also saw these questions scattered wanted them in one comment cuz its easier to see if its upvote.
I couldn’t imagine the amount of considerable pain he was in every day. Moving around in his suit with his injuries. God!
A much better question is why Vader never cloned himself replacement parts. Cloning clearly exists in the SW universe, he could clone graft donation skin, replacement limbs, bones, organs, etc (assuming just transferring his consciousness to an outright cloned body is a skill Palpatine kept to himself). Even if the suit grants him armor and enhanced strength, there's no reason it couldn't if his limbs were whole. If nothing else, grow replacement lungs to get rid of the biggest disadvantage Vader has (why no one other than Obi-Wan ever thought to attack the breathing circuitry is beyond me).
I like the idea that he uses the force to stop the bakta tanks from help healing. To keep the pain which he says makes him strong.
But 1 thing... in that Boba show he had healed burns and came out with none. The body can't naturally get over scar tissue that bad over time to look like new. Right? So the tanks doing more than excellerating. (If that's right)
I’m curious about your source of this info. Where’d you learn all of this from?
I still wonder what that music in the background is...
His scars are not as severe as they were when he first was burned.
Always liked the Bacta Wars book from Legends.
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