Vader had absolutely nothing left. he killed everything that meant to him in the past. The emperor was his only link to the world of the living basically. He had no true ambition, at least not until he discovered Luke is his son.
I don’t know how “Long, long” ago the star wars universe was, but, since the dawn of time, how many have ACTUALLY left the abusive relationship they were in? 🤔
I look at it like being jumped into a gang or being hazed on line for a fraternity. The idea of the the sith is to bond you to the darkside, stripping you of everything else you ever cared about. kill friends, family members all so you cement the fact that you can never go back. All Vader has is the sith and Palatines' favor (or his life). Who in the galaxy would accept him?
The usual thing that happens with the Sith though is that they knowingly chose their sacrifice. Anakin was unlike the other Sith we see in that he was manipulated into doing it. Even Kylo Ren deliberately chose to throw away the old trappings of his life once Luke spurning him set him down the path to the dark side. I think there may be something to that, because there is a kind of power in making that choice. Because Anakin was tricked into destroying everything he ever loved, Palpatine had full power over him the entire time. It was Palpatine who rescued him from Mustafar when he was on the brink of death, and it was Palpatine who turned him into Darth Vader. I don't think Anakin ever saw himself as having any choice at all in the matter until Luke came into his life at the height of the Empire.
One thing that should of been a factor that should of been mentioned, is Vader was actually fearful of Palpatine granted he never showed it, and if he ever had the opportunity he'd jump to strangle Palpatine in a heartbeat, the thing is Vader was entirely aware of his suits limitations and Palpatine's love of force lightning so he couldn't afford to be disloyal without bartering his life in the process.
It is all as you said, with the death of Padme, the loss of his children, the perceived betrayal of the Jedi, Anakin had nothing else to live for... other than the Empire and Palpatine. In spite of all he had lost, all that he continued to suffer, Vader still got massive benefits as the Enforcer of the emperor's will / apprentice to the dark lord and master of the Sith. At last, he had the power as well as the resources and authority to impose his will upon the galaxy, his warped idea of peace, and all the enemies and victims and toadies to vent his misplaced anger and hate upon. Vader got the best of everything, all that he needed and whatever he so desired, but it was the service he enacted in his master's name where Vader felt the closest to being happy becuz he was able to enact whatever actions he deemed necessary for the "greater good" of the galaxy while also going over the heads of petty and stupid imperial officers, killing them if they dared to disrespect or displease him in some way, w/o any of the political or bureaucratic red tape of the Republic Senate, and having the pleasure of continuing to lead armed forces against dissidents and then rebels, as Anakin once led the Clone Troopers of the 501st. But another reason Vader stayed loyal to Palpatine in spite of all the abuse and deception he'd suffered under his master's manipulation... was becuz he literally had no one else left in his life. Despite everything, all he'd done and become, Vader still yearned for companionship, having been born to a loving mother in spite of them being slaves, having been freed by a Jedi he deemed a hero and perhaps a father figure, only for Qui-gon to die, mentored and trained by Obi-wan despite being turned against his old jedi master, himself mentoring and watching over a pupil of his own despite Ahsoka leaving the Order after becoming disillusioned by it, and of course having had a strong marriage with the love of his life only for Vader to instantly believe Padme had betrayed him and used the Force to choke her despite the fact she was pregnant with their child(ren) and then being haunted by her death for the rest of his life He lost everything and everyone he ever loved, except for the one man who had mentored and guided him, a man he'd respected, regarded as another mentor, but was in fact being groomed to one day become this man's prized pupil... only to wind up damaged goods and realize everything his master had told him was manipulation, and thus Palapatine/Sidious had ruined his life and cost him all that he ever loved and cared about. In spite of this, Palpatine was the one person Vader could turn to after all he had lost, the only person who would "accept" him. Altho Vader suffered abuse and disrespect from his master in the years to come, Vader initially held onto misplaced sentiment for his master until the anger and truth finally seeped in and he understood how Palpatine had misled and decieved him practically from the moment they met, and so dedicated himself to consolidating power and one day overthrowing Sidious to take his place as ruler of the galaxy. As you said, Vader had nothing else to live for other then the Empire and the Emperor... until he discovered the existence of Luke Skywalker, his son.
This is why I don't buy the argument that Anakin and Vader are two separate individuals; Being Vader was Anakin's power fantasy come ptrue, just with a horrible Twilight Zone twist of losing everything else.
I don't think you did a video on this, but maybe you did, but I'd love a video on when Vader had a vision of what his life could have been if he had not fallen to the Dark Side and stayed in the Temple when Windu went to confront Sidious. On a side note, something I think both Aniken and many in the audience forget, when Mace left to fight Sidious, he directly says to Aniken "if he is the Dark Lord, you will have earned my trust."
The darkness gathers you unto yourself. In the end, the darkness understands you. In the end the darkness forgives you, and it is all you have. (Paraphrased from the ROTS novelization)
Vader's service to Palpatine was more stick than carrot, and there wasn't anyone who provided the carrot. Dooku was the closest to understand that absolute power isn't about submission; even Maul knew this. Failing to understand this, after Alderaan was destroyed, Palpatine went with more stick if that was possible. Vader wasn't a diplomat and had no idea how to shape the galaxy, or to calm it down and win their trust and respect. Loyalty at this level was useless to Palpatine and Vader knew it. Palpatine knew it. The Rebellion grew exponentially from this moment and Palpatine who was once a deft politician as challenged by the Jedi to be, had only fear and more fear. The loyalty to Vader was a huge burden.
Question. Is there any videos on RUclips covering what if "the emperor dies and Vader takes Palpatine placed as head of the empire"? I love to watch or hear something on this topic
There are several fan fictions by pente patrol star wars which that does happen, one of them is called "What If Darth Vader Killed Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi" he also has some fun ones like "What if Anakin Loved Sand" and "what if Anakin started a Death Stick Empire" if you're interested.
"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son." That's why. Even after Luke, Vader still hoped to rule the galaxy. Just alongside Luke this time.
To me, Vader was a man who had lost everything he cares about. His father figure in Qui-Gon, his mother, his friends and found family in the Jedi, and his wife and supposedly unborn children. For a guy with attachment issues, he clutched at what might have passed for friendship from Palpatine like a drowning man with a life preserver. It wasn’t until Luke reignited his humanity and showed him another path that he rejected the Master he ultimately knew didn’t give a toss about him.
When Darth Vader killed Padmé he had no one else to turn to but Papa Palpatine. Darth Sidious instantly became his new wife, girlfriend and best friend. Lol 😂
For a future holocron, we know of Dathomiry magic and Sith Alchemy which are primarily of the Dark Side, but did the Jedi ever make use of a Light Side equivalent? Does such a thing even exist?
Vader had everything but he didn't have everything. He lost everything. Padme,Obi-Wan,Jedi,his children like you said. He had so many benefits but he listen to dark side. He was number 2 in Empire but still a servant. Anakin got his wish to rule the galaxy to change what he wanted to and how he wanted to. But he lost everything. May the Force be with you too😊
Hey Stupendous I know you'll be busy with The Acolyte show coming but when that show is done, will we finally see that Ulic Qel-Droma Bio and Power scaling video? I'm glad the script is finished can't wait to see it.
There was nowhere he could go, either he stays loyal to palpatine or he dies. He believed palpatine bs for a long time, he eventually started seeing through it. I think that defining moment was when obiwan kicked off the mortal coil and into the ethereal. Obiwan had discovered the path to immortality, something palpatine could never do.
Oh ! The Irony ! . . . Of the line of, Fear and Respect. Being one and the same too Vader. When can I go live in Vader's galaxy? I would rather live in his. Then in ours. Because in ours. There is a Vader, just around every corner. And hiding behind the mask of every face. Is Vader! But if I lived in his Galaxy. Then there would only be the one Vader. Or maybe a short lived clone of Vader. At least I would have a chance. Of evading him. And I could probably get my paw's, on an actual lightsaber.
Except when Vader and Thrawn wanted the new TIE Advanced fighters that Thrawn designed to be put into production. Palpatine sided with Tarkin and prioritized all funds to the development of both Death Stars.
I know I have brought this up before, but it would be neat to get a sibling video going the other way; why did the Emperor keep putting up with Vader? So, it would obviously be wrong to say that Darth Vader was weak, incapable, or ineffectual; he was a powerhouse, and could be practically a one man army, but he obviously wasn't the idealized Darth Vader Palpatine had been envisioning for years, as he plotted the downfall of Jedi. It could be convenient to have him, and possibly even amusing to belittle him; this "Chosen One" of the fallen Jedi Order, but the Emperor didn't NEED him. The Inquisitors were kept weak, but that almost proved the point; they could be weak, and still be effective. Legends Palpatine also had Hands, who were certainly no Vader, either, but certainly effective, and often because of their anonymity. There just weren't threats that demanded Vader's levels of power, and ways of doing things, and he could be expensive. Other than to gloat to himself that he even nabbed the Chosen One, and to feed his narcissism, why did he keep Vader? At times, he seemed prepared to create replacements, and even told Vader he was only as secure as he was useful, so why not off him, and still run the Empire fine? Why put up with his failures, and often inability to learn the lesson given, as Vader often refused to change, even when ordered?
Palpa did try to find others but Vader always ended up killing them, even tho he wasn’t his full potential he was still leagues above anyone else palpatine could find, they were both like 1 in several trillion force users and basically stuck with each other bc of it, you’d think why doesn’t palpatine try to pass on his potential through genetics but I guess according to the sequels he did, just sucks they messed them up so bad, the core idea wasn’t bad but executed so poorly also they had no plan and only came up with the Rey is a palpatine thing for the last movie so there’s not even any continuing or hidden themes that make sense later bc none of it was ever planned and each movie was just made up without much consideration for what comes next or what came before 😊
Yes, Darth Vader, formerly Anakin Skywalker, exhibited a deep and intense loyalty to Emperor Palpatine (Darth Sidious) in the Star Wars saga. This loyalty was driven by several key factors: 1. **Sense of Debt**: Anakin felt indebted to Palpatine for saving his life after his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar. Palpatine provided medical care and cybernetic enhancements that sustained Anakin's life but also bound him to the Sith Lord. 2. **Manipulation and Influence**: Palpatine manipulated Anakin's fears and desires, promising him power and knowledge of the dark side that he believed could save Padmé Amidala from death. This manipulation deepened Anakin's loyalty as he became increasingly dependent on Palpatine for guidance and strength. 3. **Shared Ideology**: Anakin initially aligned himself with Palpatine's vision of bringing order and stability to the galaxy. He believed in the Sith ideology of using power to impose control, albeit for what he saw as noble reasons such as protecting loved ones and ending conflict. 4. **Fear and Intimidation**: Over time, Vader's loyalty to Palpatine was reinforced by fear of the Emperor's wrath and the consequences of betrayal. Palpatine's dominance over Vader's life, both physically and psychologically, made him reluctant to challenge or disobey his master. This loyalty to Palpatine persisted for many years, defining Vader's role as the Emperor's enforcer and right-hand Sith Lord within the Galactic Empire. It wasn't until the events of "Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi" that Vader's loyalty faced its ultimate test when he chose to save his son, Luke Skywalker, from Palpatine's clutches, leading to his own redemption and the Emperor's defeat.
Darth Vader’s loyalty to The Emperor is only rivaled to his hatred for him and puts on a face cause Palps can probably sense it coming so he’ll play loyal just enough so he can kill him. That’s the way of The Sith.
Because Anakin was left extremely weak after Mustafar. He was weak in the force and was a bully to muggles. Any true Jedi like Obi Wan could own him with ease. Also Obi Wan is Luke and Leia's true father as he got with Padme many, many times irl.
Sidious also constantly torturing him and crippling his armour with Force lightning. He would only let Vader upgrade his suit so far and leave it very vulnerable to lightning. Not to mention Sidious did kill Windu after he lost the dual in Sidious' office thanks to Anakin then went on to defeat Yoda. At that point Anakin knew he couldn't beat Sidious so it was either join him or die right there. Then Sidious sent him on a mission to kill the separatists so he would have no place to go.
I can sum this up easily… Obi Wan once said that Anakin was loyal to people, not principles. Vader is loyal to Palpatine due to him (at his core) being Anakin Skywalker and Sidius is simply the only person that he has left.
"insanely loyal" would say is a stretch. For their relationship. There's names for such abusive relationships. An they tend to inspire a great deal. Fanaticism typically isn't one of them. It's obviously a more got too an he's "in too deep" or so EVERYONE thought. Over somehow Vader having a thing for that sorta treatment... Don't really see a Scfi 50 Shades of Grey Fallen Jedi thing going on here at all.
Any man has to feed his « Anakin » in order to beat his own « Vader » because we all have our « Palpatine » twisting & torturing man to make his « Force given light » to force him to « bend the knee » to « his (evil) will » by replacing your hope with hatred. Rather biblical all in all ^^
Vader had absolutely nothing left. he killed everything that meant to him in the past.
The emperor was his only link to the world of the living basically.
He had no true ambition, at least not until he discovered Luke is his son.
Exactly
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I don’t know how “Long, long” ago the star wars universe was, but, since the dawn of time, how many have ACTUALLY left the abusive relationship they were in? 🤔
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“You don’t know the power of the Dark Side. I must obey my master.”
That basically sums up vaders loyalty to palpatine he had absolutely no one left expect him.
UNTIL HE tries to kill HIS SON
Exactly. He had no choice in the matter. It was either obey or be brutally tortured by Sidious.
@@SingleTax he could kill papltine but he can’t sup pass him
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In fact, he was so loyal he tossed him down a huge shaft in the Death Star.
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
He was just trying to get him down there faster! not his fault gravity took issue with that!
Gives a whole new meaning to “His fate will be the same as ours.”
Bye bye bye, fly fly fly, Sid Sid
Ikr what a guy
Palpatine was basically darth vader/ anakin skywalker dark side daddy who spent almost his enitre life helping anakin get closer to dark side
Bad idea actually.
That's wrong thing to do that exactly. And don't listen to him he is lying to you.
Vader had no one but Palpatine a
after his fall.
Until Luke showed up and than down the shute Palpatine went
Yep. He effed his whole life for Palpatine. Had to tell himself Palpatine was worth it to sidestep understanding that.
even before obi wan was loyal but more so loyal to the the jedi council
I look at it like being jumped into a gang or being hazed on line for a fraternity. The idea of the the sith is to bond you to the darkside, stripping you of everything else you ever cared about.
kill friends, family members all so you cement the fact that you can never go back. All Vader has is the sith and Palatines' favor (or his life). Who in the galaxy would accept him?
The usual thing that happens with the Sith though is that they knowingly chose their sacrifice. Anakin was unlike the other Sith we see in that he was manipulated into doing it. Even Kylo Ren deliberately chose to throw away the old trappings of his life once Luke spurning him set him down the path to the dark side. I think there may be something to that, because there is a kind of power in making that choice. Because Anakin was tricked into destroying everything he ever loved, Palpatine had full power over him the entire time. It was Palpatine who rescued him from Mustafar when he was on the brink of death, and it was Palpatine who turned him into Darth Vader. I don't think Anakin ever saw himself as having any choice at all in the matter until Luke came into his life at the height of the Empire.
He was still waiting for Palpatine to save Padme lol👍👍👍
One thing that should of been a factor that should of been mentioned, is Vader was actually fearful of Palpatine granted he never showed it, and if he ever had the opportunity he'd jump to strangle Palpatine in a heartbeat, the thing is Vader was entirely aware of his suits limitations and Palpatine's love of force lightning so he couldn't afford to be disloyal without bartering his life in the process.
It is all as you said, with the death of Padme, the loss of his children, the perceived betrayal of the Jedi, Anakin had nothing else to live for... other than the Empire and Palpatine.
In spite of all he had lost, all that he continued to suffer, Vader still got massive benefits as the Enforcer of the emperor's will / apprentice to the dark lord and master of the Sith.
At last, he had the power as well as the resources and authority to impose his will upon the galaxy, his warped idea of peace, and all the enemies and victims and toadies to vent his misplaced anger and hate upon. Vader got the best of everything, all that he needed and whatever he so desired, but it was the service he enacted in his master's name where Vader felt the closest to being happy becuz he was able to enact whatever actions he deemed necessary for the "greater good" of the galaxy while also going over the heads of petty and stupid imperial officers, killing them if they dared to disrespect or displease him in some way, w/o any of the political or bureaucratic red tape of the Republic Senate, and having the pleasure of continuing to lead armed forces against dissidents and then rebels, as Anakin once led the Clone Troopers of the 501st.
But another reason Vader stayed loyal to Palpatine in spite of all the abuse and deception he'd suffered under his master's manipulation... was becuz he literally had no one else left in his life. Despite everything, all he'd done and become, Vader still yearned for companionship, having been born to a loving mother in spite of them being slaves, having been freed by a Jedi he deemed a hero and perhaps a father figure, only for Qui-gon to die, mentored and trained by Obi-wan despite being turned against his old jedi master, himself mentoring and watching over a pupil of his own despite Ahsoka leaving the Order after becoming disillusioned by it, and of course having had a strong marriage with the love of his life only for Vader to instantly believe Padme had betrayed him and used the Force to choke her despite the fact she was pregnant with their child(ren) and then being haunted by her death for the rest of his life
He lost everything and everyone he ever loved, except for the one man who had mentored and guided him, a man he'd respected, regarded as another mentor, but was in fact being groomed to one day become this man's prized pupil... only to wind up damaged goods and realize everything his master had told him was manipulation, and thus Palapatine/Sidious had ruined his life and cost him all that he ever loved and cared about.
In spite of this, Palpatine was the one person Vader could turn to after all he had lost, the only person who would "accept" him. Altho Vader suffered abuse and disrespect from his master in the years to come, Vader initially held onto misplaced sentiment for his master until the anger and truth finally seeped in and he understood how Palpatine had misled and decieved him practically from the moment they met, and so dedicated himself to consolidating power and one day overthrowing Sidious to take his place as ruler of the galaxy.
As you said, Vader had nothing else to live for other then the Empire and the Emperor... until he discovered the existence of Luke Skywalker, his son.
Vader and Palpatine were knee deep in Twi'leks. They probably went to the Twi'lek healing baths every weekend.
This was amazing!!! Thank you for doing this topic!
This is why I don't buy the argument that Anakin and Vader are two separate individuals; Being Vader was Anakin's power fantasy come ptrue, just with a horrible Twilight Zone twist of losing everything else.
I don't think you did a video on this, but maybe you did, but I'd love a video on when Vader had a vision of what his life could have been if he had not fallen to the Dark Side and stayed in the Temple when Windu went to confront Sidious. On a side note, something I think both Aniken and many in the audience forget, when Mace left to fight Sidious, he directly says to Aniken "if he is the Dark Lord, you will have earned my trust."
The darkness gathers you unto yourself. In the end, the darkness understands you. In the end the darkness forgives you, and it is all you have. (Paraphrased from the ROTS novelization)
"I need your help, son".
Vader's service to Palpatine was more stick than carrot, and there wasn't anyone who provided the carrot. Dooku was the closest to understand that absolute power isn't about submission; even Maul knew this. Failing to understand this, after Alderaan was destroyed, Palpatine went with more stick if that was possible.
Vader wasn't a diplomat and had no idea how to shape the galaxy, or to calm it down and win their trust and respect. Loyalty at this level was useless to Palpatine and Vader knew it. Palpatine knew it. The Rebellion grew exponentially from this moment and Palpatine who was once a deft politician as challenged by the Jedi to be, had only fear and more fear. The loyalty to Vader was a huge burden.
Question. Is there any videos on RUclips covering what if "the emperor dies and Vader takes Palpatine placed as head of the empire"? I love to watch or hear something on this topic
There are several fan fictions by pente patrol star wars which that does happen, one of them is called "What If Darth Vader Killed Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi" he also has some fun ones like "What if Anakin Loved Sand" and "what if Anakin started a Death Stick Empire" if you're interested.
"Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son."
That's why. Even after Luke, Vader still hoped to rule the galaxy. Just alongside Luke this time.
To me, Vader was a man who had lost everything he cares about. His father figure in Qui-Gon, his mother, his friends and found family in the Jedi, and his wife and supposedly unborn children.
For a guy with attachment issues, he clutched at what might have passed for friendship from Palpatine like a drowning man with a life preserver.
It wasn’t until Luke reignited his humanity and showed him another path that he rejected the Master he ultimately knew didn’t give a toss about him.
All Vader had left that gave him any meaning in life was the very man who manipulated him under his machinations until he lost everything.
I think owning the executor is a benefit. My company doesnt offer star destroyers as part of my benefits package
You should switch jobs.
My company offers death stars
My company offers galactic empires
Great video!!
@1:30 in the known galaxy, much of it still unexplored also...abaloth
When Darth Vader killed Padmé he had no one else to turn to but Papa Palpatine. Darth Sidious instantly became his new wife, girlfriend and best friend. Lol 😂
It seems that the Emperor only taught Vader life lessons, not Dark side abilities. Vader was a servant.
For a future holocron, we know of Dathomiry magic and Sith Alchemy which are primarily of the Dark Side, but did the Jedi ever make use of a Light Side equivalent? Does such a thing even exist?
Because he has no one else left and he was deeply confused
Padme would be rolling in her grave if she sees Vader become a dictator. Anakin should be ashamed.
Vader had everything but he didn't have everything. He lost everything. Padme,Obi-Wan,Jedi,his children like you said. He had so many benefits but he listen to dark side. He was number 2 in Empire but still a servant. Anakin got his wish to rule the galaxy to change what he wanted to and how he wanted to. But he lost everything. May the Force be with you too😊
Love your videos 😊
Hey Stupendous I know you'll be busy with The Acolyte show coming but when that show is done, will we finally see that Ulic Qel-Droma Bio and Power scaling video? I'm glad the script is finished can't wait to see it.
"He had the biggest army the galaxy has ever seen." I thought The Grand Army of the Republic was the biggest army in the galaxy.
It was the most elite, but not the biggest
Was Anakin trying to please Jedi council members if they are present for most of his life other than "victory celebrations, after each battle?"
There was nowhere he could go, either he stays loyal to palpatine or he dies. He believed palpatine bs for a long time, he eventually started seeing through it. I think that defining moment was when obiwan kicked off the mortal coil and into the ethereal. Obiwan had discovered the path to immortality, something palpatine could never do.
Oh ! The Irony ! . . . Of the line of, Fear and Respect. Being one and the same too Vader. When can I go live in Vader's galaxy? I would rather live in his. Then in ours. Because in ours. There is a Vader, just around every corner. And hiding behind the mask of every face. Is Vader!
But if I lived in his Galaxy. Then there would only be the one Vader. Or maybe a short lived clone of Vader. At least I would have a chance. Of evading him.
And I could probably get my paw's, on an actual lightsaber.
Except when Vader and Thrawn wanted the new TIE Advanced fighters that Thrawn designed to be put into production. Palpatine sided with Tarkin and prioritized all funds to the development of both Death Stars.
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I know I have brought this up before, but it would be neat to get a sibling video going the other way; why did the Emperor keep putting up with Vader? So, it would obviously be wrong to say that Darth Vader was weak, incapable, or ineffectual; he was a powerhouse, and could be practically a one man army, but he obviously wasn't the idealized Darth Vader Palpatine had been envisioning for years, as he plotted the downfall of Jedi. It could be convenient to have him, and possibly even amusing to belittle him; this "Chosen One" of the fallen Jedi Order, but the Emperor didn't NEED him. The Inquisitors were kept weak, but that almost proved the point; they could be weak, and still be effective. Legends Palpatine also had Hands, who were certainly no Vader, either, but certainly effective, and often because of their anonymity. There just weren't threats that demanded Vader's levels of power, and ways of doing things, and he could be expensive. Other than to gloat to himself that he even nabbed the Chosen One, and to feed his narcissism, why did he keep Vader? At times, he seemed prepared to create replacements, and even told Vader he was only as secure as he was useful, so why not off him, and still run the Empire fine? Why put up with his failures, and often inability to learn the lesson given, as Vader often refused to change, even when ordered?
Palpa did try to find others but Vader always ended up killing them, even tho he wasn’t his full potential he was still leagues above anyone else palpatine could find, they were both like 1 in several trillion force users and basically stuck with each other bc of it, you’d think why doesn’t palpatine try to pass on his potential through genetics but I guess according to the sequels he did, just sucks they messed them up so bad, the core idea wasn’t bad but executed so poorly also they had no plan and only came up with the Rey is a palpatine thing for the last movie so there’s not even any continuing or hidden themes that make sense later bc none of it was ever planned and each movie was just made up without much consideration for what comes next or what came before 😊
I didn’t mean to put the smiley face at the end I am very much not happy about it lol
Vader had no life outside of Palpatine during the empire era so that’s why he stayed loyal , he literally had nothing left & that’s that 🤷🏾♂️✅.
I disagree that Vader was loyal for the sake of loyalty, Vader remained a lap dog out of fear.
Yes, Darth Vader, formerly Anakin Skywalker, exhibited a deep and intense loyalty to Emperor Palpatine (Darth Sidious) in the Star Wars saga. This loyalty was driven by several key factors:
1. **Sense of Debt**: Anakin felt indebted to Palpatine for saving his life after his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar. Palpatine provided medical care and cybernetic enhancements that sustained Anakin's life but also bound him to the Sith Lord.
2. **Manipulation and Influence**: Palpatine manipulated Anakin's fears and desires, promising him power and knowledge of the dark side that he believed could save Padmé Amidala from death. This manipulation deepened Anakin's loyalty as he became increasingly dependent on Palpatine for guidance and strength.
3. **Shared Ideology**: Anakin initially aligned himself with Palpatine's vision of bringing order and stability to the galaxy. He believed in the Sith ideology of using power to impose control, albeit for what he saw as noble reasons such as protecting loved ones and ending conflict.
4. **Fear and Intimidation**: Over time, Vader's loyalty to Palpatine was reinforced by fear of the Emperor's wrath and the consequences of betrayal. Palpatine's dominance over Vader's life, both physically and psychologically, made him reluctant to challenge or disobey his master.
This loyalty to Palpatine persisted for many years, defining Vader's role as the Emperor's enforcer and right-hand Sith Lord within the Galactic Empire. It wasn't until the events of "Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi" that Vader's loyalty faced its ultimate test when he chose to save his son, Luke Skywalker, from Palpatine's clutches, leading to his own redemption and the Emperor's defeat.
Darth Vader’s loyalty to The Emperor is only rivaled to his hatred for him and puts on a face cause Palps can probably sense it coming so he’ll play loyal just enough so he can kill him. That’s the way of The Sith.
That's true
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Do vader and palpatine have the most distinguished rule of two situation
Because Anakin was left extremely weak after Mustafar. He was weak in the force and was a bully to muggles. Any true Jedi like Obi Wan could own him with ease. Also Obi Wan is Luke and Leia's true father as he got with Padme many, many times irl.
Im a simple man... i see sw lore and i'm immediately happy ❤🎉
Sidious also constantly torturing him and crippling his armour with Force lightning. He would only let Vader upgrade his suit so far and leave it very vulnerable to lightning. Not to mention Sidious did kill Windu after he lost the dual in Sidious' office thanks to Anakin then went on to defeat Yoda. At that point Anakin knew he couldn't beat Sidious so it was either join him or die right there. Then Sidious sent him on a mission to kill the separatists so he would have no place to go.
I can sum this up easily…
Obi Wan once said that Anakin was loyal to people, not principles.
Vader is loyal to Palpatine due to him (at his core) being Anakin Skywalker and Sidius is simply the only person that he has left.
Loyalty only goes so far
Good soldiers watch early
"insanely loyal" would say is a stretch. For their relationship. There's names for such abusive relationships. An they tend to inspire a great deal. Fanaticism typically isn't one of them. It's obviously a more got too an he's "in too deep" or so EVERYONE thought. Over somehow Vader having a thing for that sorta treatment...
Don't really see a Scfi 50 Shades of Grey Fallen Jedi thing going on here at all.
And I thought it was because his arms and legs were cut off and he was stuck in a terrible suit.
Vader wasn't loyal to Palpatine, Vader was loyal to the Power around Palpatine. And in the moment he got the chances to took his place, he would
There is no such thing as loyalty to The Sith -Someone
imagine how powerful Anakin would have been if he wasn't physically damaged by Kenobi,the Emperor would have a goner,lol...
I do feel like he should've at least tried to get new arm and leg mechanics to move a little more freely
@4:18 naw palpy would never let him get a new suit
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Benefits? Hmmm. Get rid of Palpatine's wrinkle ass and rule the galaxy with your son and daughter. That is "thee" best benefit.
Basically the emperor fueled his own power with the darkside, also Vader was a ideolouge and was bought into the imperial project.
Trauma bond
Cool
Any man has to feed his « Anakin » in order to beat his own « Vader » because we all have our « Palpatine » twisting & torturing man to make his « Force given light » to force him to « bend the knee » to « his (evil) will » by replacing your hope with hatred.
Rather biblical all in all ^^
Vader had Stockholm syndrome
So much of the Star Wars timeline doesn't make sense, the empire last for 24 years?, I honestly thought it would be more, longer than that ?🤔
Vader betrayed him like a dozen times. So uh what???
Bad idea
Studying energy/dermatology these days.
Day 508 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
Hmmm very important
Basically Stockholm syndrome
Not good to keep them together
The reason he didn’t move to a better suit was poor writing
(Prior to watching)
I always thought it was cuz sidious couldve had someone far worse than vader was and far more evil
Vader suffered from depression, PTSD and is a victim of Stockholm syndrome amongst many other things
No he didn’t and was not
Never thought about it but you are absolutely right.
You don't need all this rationalization to figure it out. the dude is codependent at least.
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nope u were 2nd comment
Gotcha brotha
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Was 1st
@@Grinch-t9u no if you sort comments by newest first and scroll all the way down you can see who was really first
First?
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Sorry Trump
Sounds like Donald Trump or maybe George Bush
Where did u get that idea and if ur afraid of trump do u need therapy like genuine question
Because he's scared.