WHIPLASH (2014) Scene: "Why'd you stop playing?"
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- While practising his drumming in an empty room, Andrew (Miles Teller) is suddenly approach by Fletcher (J.K. Simmons) who urges him to keep playing.
'Whiplash'; A film by Damien Chazelle.
Starring: Miles Teller, J.K. Simmons, Melissa Benoist, Austin Stowell, Nate Lang & Paul Reiser.
The genius in Fletcher's character is that he pretends to care for making his students the best they can be, when in reality all he cares about is getting a Charlie Parker and weeding out everybody else by destroying them mentally. He doesn't care if 99% of his students lose their enjoyment for music as long as he can find his golden boy who has the skill to take the beating. He's an evil character that tricks everyone, even the audience, into thinking he's a grey character with good intentions.
+WitchHunter93 This ^^
+WitchHunter93 Finally someone who isn't a gullible over-sympathetic ignorant man child failing to see the truth because the common demographic deemed it too foolish of a thought to be true.Respect to your comment
Only the absolute best will satisfy Fletcher. Every non-hacker not only won't make the cut, will also feel the full brunt of his wrath for being a shit player. When you think about it, there are lots of professions in the real world where only the best folks get the job. How many volunteers apply for elite army units? How many of them are actually recruited?
And J.K Simmons did a great job portraying that!
That said, when Neyman had his moment of glory, Fletcher guided him to a spectacular finale as he caught on very quickly this was his burst of greatness. He didn't get there the way Fletcher intended, but rolled with it anyway. So it's not all about his ego.
I should stop watching all these clips and just watch the movie.
no
I've been doing the same thing
same haha
I didn't like the movie that much, thought I would
same
Jameson pulled all his hair out and went mad due to realizing he was employing Spider-Man to take pictures of Spider-Man.
And then he decided to pursue his first love before journalism: jazz, baby, jazz.
but not before joining the SVU
Ms. Brant! Get me a violin!
kalinilak i literally laughed out loud when i read that because instantly i read like jameson would have said it
People understand this scene so wrong. Obviously Fletcher left the room because he needed to fart so bad. He thought that he could fart loudly outside the room but he accidentally pooped his pants so he quickly came back to get his jacket because he needed to go home to wipe his ass. That's why he said ''Oopsie'' when he came back.
lol XD
@@dylanmorgan2752 wtf
+Nick F Id like to be able to explain myself, but looking back, I honestly can’t.
Nihilist what’s up with all these weird ass comments in these whiplash comment sections.
Shittiest comment here. Wr u from ,,dip shit
having him come back in for his jacket was pure genius.
wait why
@@screencuisine7975 Because it shows that him leaving was calculated, and he was thinking of how it would look to Andrew if he left instead of the actually things he needed to grab before he left
He wanted to see Andrew’s face 😂
JK Simmons made a brilliant performance. Absolutely hated his guts.
The hell? He was the hero in this film
@@MetaalMeerkat Are you insane?
@@briannab4037 No, he's so sane that he just blew your mind off!
@@MetaalMeerkat im interested why you have that opinion care to elaborate?
The point of this movie was not to glamorize the Fletchers behavior, it was just to tell a story of a musician who happened to take that route of direction in achieving what he believed in most. I guarantee you RARELY any music teacher resorts to such methods of persuasion in inspiring a pupil.
unless they are a perfectionist
The way I see it the actual point of this movie is more about showing that making music is turning more and more into something unhuman and what makes that clear is the fact that Fletcher cares more about wrong notes and strict tempo in the music than anything else (while winning musical competitions with that). It's also interesting to note that Fletcher values super virtuosic solos and super technique more than anything else, and even though the relationship between him and Andrew is very dictatorial and all, deep down Fletcher depends a lot on people like Andrew because otherwise he would be too irrelevant to do what he does.
+Ricardo Ferrari I honestly believe Fletcher has one of the purest loves for music you'll see in the movie. It's simply that his notion of music is something not lackluster, something with shape and form that sounds like it's taken as long to master as the art of performing surgery. My own piano teacher is a warm person and she can't stand a second of her life with silence, but (and I've encouraged this) she cracks down on me this hard if I'm fucking up. It's a way to make you focus and put in effort. Of course, if you did this to kids they'd associate the experience with dislike towards the instrument, but to grown people who understand it's nothing personal, it's one of the best training routes.
I had teachers that were very harsh whenever I fucked up just as I had teachers that were more patient and more like "well, it's all on you" and I consider the second case to be better because they show (at least to me) that the reason you study music shouldn't be about staying cool with a hard teacher or because you want success. In fact, that all becomes irrelevant when you decide to study music because of music itself. Tell me, when you see Andrew in this movie sacrificing his life in order to be a succesful musician, what word reverberates more? Success or music? It's obviously success. And the fact that Fletcher considers making music similar to that making a surgery doesn't turn him into a guy that has incredible respect for music, it goes on the other way around, because he is squeezing music so hard that he is turning it against humanity. Making music should be something that you do every day, with pleasure, and with other people, not something strict like this.
+Lsdude420 Your points and the points made by those who replied to this all go to show what an outstanding film Whiplash really is, because it's so heavily open to interpretation from beginning to end. I still don't really know how I feel about the message of this movie but that's why I keep coming back, that and of course the superb music!
One of the most manipulative villains ever in film or television.
Hahahaha, this isn't a manicheist movie or some sort of tale for kids. There is no villain nor antagonist.
More like an anti-hero, but yea he is pretty good
I'd beat the shit out of him if he tried to pull shit like that on me
Daniella Valadez Ever heard of Tony Soprano, Daniel Plainview and even Walter White? J.K. Simmons performance in Whiplash is immortal though. For me he will always be Fletcher.
Brian you would never have been good enough to merit his attention.
There is no point in art once you take the joy out of it. Pain is a huge part of it too, bad at the end we play and create because it makes us feel good.
+Dan Notz Very true. I'm not planning on having some retarded instructor peering over my shoulder and telling me what to do any time soon.
+Dan Notz For most, the joy dies out after a certain level. To find it again, you need to feel pain by working harder and harder until you achieve something greater. Same principle with working out. You don't do it because it feels good on the moment. It feels terrible. Your body aches and you're sweating. You do it because you feel good afterwards when you're looking fit as a fiddle.
Son Of Montreal
that's actually pretty depressing.
Dan Notz
Pain has its place. In art and in everything else. Sometimes it is necessary, for reasons that are not always immediately apparent.
Dan N I don't know man, it looked like he kind of enjoyed his final performance
The first time I saw this film it upset me. As a drummer myself I hated seeing music become more like a sport instead of art. Then I saw Black Swan for the first time and I realized that you can't let the backdrop of music and ballet take away from the character work that each film presents. The obsessed artist and those around them pushing them into that territory. This film is amazing.
Yeah the film isn’t trying to capture music accurately. It uses music as a medium to tell a great story.
Man up weak p ssy inferior beta kid
You guys missed this scene by a mile based on some comments. The point of the scene was that Andrew was looking good and Fletcher saw it, then tested his mentality which Andrew failed by constantly stopping, then Fletcher went into break mode, takes off the coat, and throws quick tests to see the endurance. The key is the quick off beat by Andrew, you see it in his face and you hear the tempo a bit off because he got tired. Amazing acting there. Then he looks up and hes gone. Why? Because Fletcher assumed that he was just "another" player, not the next Jo Jones or Buddy Rich. So he gave up on him even as a freshman or first year student without even knowing 100% about him. He later in the movie wants to know more about him only to insult him. This movie was amazing. A true musical masterpiece.
Enrique Comas if fletcher has already given up on andrew in this scene, why does he add him to the studio band?
Andrew Powers yeah, I agree with all his other points. Yet I believe no matter "who" woulda been playing, he still would have left that room.
Which is his mind game/teaching style. NO ONE, is good enough. He can see talent, just will never let them know they have it.
Enrique Comas dude u r UGLY
saswat banerjee shut up troll.
saswat banerjee I owe you an apology. Damn that's an ugly pic.
Fletcher enjoys manipulating people because he thinks art requires emotional pain in order to be art. His vain desire to make someone the next Buddy Rich, combined with his ruthlessness, makes him a horrifying villain who will crush anyone who hinders him, and even some who help him.
There are legitimate reasons for everything Neiman did. He stopped playing because its polite. Because someone he hopes to learn from entered the room, and to keep playing would be rude. Neiman started playing again because when he asked why he stopped playing, that implies he shouldn't have stopped, so logically, Neiman begins again. Fletcher, of course, knows this, he just wants to toy with an individual to see if he is weak.
The worst part? Had Neiman given these explanations as answers, Fletcher would have walked. He would've seen his confidence in himself as insolence, or a sign that he couldn't break Neiman.
I noticed that psychological intentional toying and abusing. I find it it interesting to think how Fletcher would have actually responded if Andrew stood up for himself or if he didn’t react nervously to his games.
Great analysis!
Andrew actually started answering why he started playing, but Fletcher interrupted him.
A brilliantly constructed movie. One of my all time favorites.
For those of you, who have seen the entire movie--or at least this scene and the ending--the blatant similarities and differences between this scene and the final one always blew my mind. The way some things are the same and some are just "white and black" different (to name one literal and metaphorical difference). Not an enormous fan of the entire movie, but I respect the hard work that went into making it.
The Fletcher went down to Georgia, he was looking for some talent to steal, he was in a bind , and he was way behind and looking for a drummers feel.
Playing drums on a hickery stump
And playing them jazzy hot.
Fletcher went up to Andy and said ' boy let me tell you what ?'
I bet you already know it but I'm a jazz master too, and if you care to take a dare I'll make a bet with you.
Now you play pretty fast rythym boy, but give the Fletcher his due, I'll bet a cymbal of gold against your soul, I'll not get fast from you. The boy said, 'my names Andy sir and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet you going to regret, cause I'm not stopping till I win''
I might just take these two comments and frame them on my wall.
This bald dude mindfucks everyone he meets.First,he greets with people nicely.Then,he starts shouting and basically bullying them
I like how he plays the bass drum when Fletcher is clapping, and as the clapping fades out it still sounds like there is clapping, but it’s just the bass drum.
"Did I ask you to start playing again?"
*Camera panning to the right with frustrated Neiman is hilarious*
this guy thinks music school is boot camp
full metal jazzband
we were soloists
Jazzhead...........
There are many like him haha.
lone Andrew
Bully, pure and simple.
+Ritchie Bear No, Fletcher's a professional band director. He didn't get to where he is from holding people's hands like little children. He's not there to babysit. And people choose to join HIS band to be with the best. So, in return, he expects the BEST from those people who join. I think that's pretty fair, don't you? And, I hate to break it to you, but there are people like THIS in real life. And I mean that in ANY setting, not just school or college. So, maybe YOU should try to grow some thinker skin.... because any teacher; professor; or boss, like this, is gonna make your life real shitty, real fast if you let get to you. And this coming from someone who has been bullied ALL their fucking life.
+Silly Gir Hi SG,
Okay, your core argument is that the end justifies the means. Let’s do a little thought experiment with that one… imagine it’s your own seventeen year old daughter at the college.
At dinner she says: Hey, dad? guess what? Today my music teacher threw a chair at my head and when I couldn’t keep tempo, he slapped me a few times in the face to beat it into me. Then he said: ‘if you deliberately sabotage my band I will fuck you like a pig.’
How do you reply?
‘That’s not teaching - it’s despicable. Assault and abuse of power. Susanne, I’m phoning the college. And the police.’
or:
‘Fletcher's a professional band director, Susanne - he didn't get to where he is from holding people's hands like little children. He's not there to babysit. And people choose to join HIS band to be with the best. So, in return, he expects the BEST from those people who join. I think that's pretty fair, don't you, Susanne? And, I hate to break it to you, but there are people like THIS in real life. And I mean that in ANY setting, not just school or college. So, maybe YOU should try to grow some thinker…’
Well?
Your seventeen year old daughter Susanne is looking you in the eye waiting for your answer…
Ritchie Bear "Well 'Susanne', why didn't you leave the band on the first day? Even when you saw him yelling his head off and throwing shit, you CHOSE to stay in his band... Until today you got slapped. I thought I raised smarter then that...."
So, you're telling me that when the going LOOKS tough I should stay and wait to see what happens, but when it GETS tough I call the cops? What sense does that make? If it looks tough, why not get out while you still can? Trust your instincts, you first see the actions of a teacher or professor like that maybe you shouldn't BE around that person any longer.
And I liked the fact that you skipped the, "So in return he expects the BEST from those people who join" part. I should've added, "but don't bother if you find out that you can't handle someone expecting you to know your shit."
Its like Gordon Ramsay, he yells and all that because he KNOWS he's around other chefs that should know their shit. And he gets away with yelling and screaming because he's at the TOP. His kitchen is the one, every aspiring chef wants to be in.
Ooo! All professionals are bullies because they EXPECT too much! OH NO! CALL THE POLICE! HIDE YOUR SMALL CHILDREN! AHHHH!
+Silly Gir I think this is a good example of Fletcher just being a jerk and messing with people for no reason. Just like later when he tells Neiman to be there at 6 AM even though they start at 9. How did that help in any way? It didn't, he was just being a jerk and a bully. In any real life situation he would have been fired for his shenaningans a long time ago, no thanks to enablers like yourself.
Slashco You do know that Fletcher is based on someone from the director's real life right? Meaning, someone like him existed. Ok yeah sure he would be fired TODAY. Mostly because of entitled little - oh look at me, I'm a special sensitive snowflake- SJW shit like you. And if you remember from the film, outside the classroom, he wasn't a total fucking monster.
that cymbal tilt makes want to cry
anixben what's wrong with it?
this solo he's initially playing sounds similar to the one he does at the end of the film (after he slows down then speeds it up)
This is definitely the most darkly lit movie I've ever seen.
1:55 that is double time swing. When he stops and corrects him he must be referring to quadruple time...also who can fucking play that fast? Twice as fast as he's playing in the movie is pretty much useless
i think that he did that on purpose. obviously no songs is going to have drums that fast. he's just trying go beyond limitations.
Actually it's not quite double time, that's the whole point. If he was to play double time at the tempo Simmons lays out it would've sat at about Giant Steps tempo ~ 290 bpm, which is pretty doable, and necessary since they play Caravan at 330.
Hah, it's pretty interesting to be honest... As a Black Metal artist, those tempos seem hard as hell due to our tendency to play full 16th notes at them.
Anubis Drakh *Implying theres an art to Black Metal*
Dylan Collett I do not believe that I was aggresive towards other genres. Black Metal IS a form of Art, whether you like it or not, or comprehend...
I understand he is borderline Psychotic but I love the bit at the end where Fletcher goes back to get his Jacket
One of the greatest opening in the cinema
I have a feeling most people that watch this film or analyze it have never been at the top of something considered "elite". Beneath all the professionalism and smiles there is darkness in every field that fits the status. You're either fully commited to your craft or you're not. The latter will be weeded out dramatically and left in the dust while the others forge ahead. Fletcher's teaching style may be unorthodox but who are we to say what is the best method of striving for greatness? It's there for the taking, but it may just drive you crazy.
I'm a pornographic actor and it is similar in my field
Depends what you define as elite. Some of the greatest musicians would have never put themselves through this
Back when Oscars nominated really good movies
Yep
one of the best movies i ever saw
My father's best friend fronted a 28-member Big Band Orchestra that played the top five family parties. Every weekend one of the families had a party. A who's who of folks made of money. Two were Mob families. These five families had their own 200 to 300 seat pavilions on their estates. All indoors. The director, Lalo, made Fletcher look like the Pope. At six me and my brothers would take a seat next to what would be our position if we earned it. Years of the best education money will never buy. Three gradeschool-aged kids on the stage. Lalo did this for his best friend, my dad, kept us out of the hazards of growing in the lousiest of neighborhoods. We learned every chart (over 200) and got a musical education from Masters old enough to be our Great-Grandfathers no school on earth could provide. On the side, Lalo would send us to the music store and buy a piano chart of our choosing. Transposing it to the rest of the band was our job. Then it was offered to the band to play. A majority vote was required. We were not allowed to vote. We had many re-writes and arrangements before it would pass his requirements. Half the time we'd have too much brass! I was fifteen when their drummer had a heart attack. I had to take his place, and did until a scholarship sent me away. My brother took Second Trumpet at fourteen when that guy got his lip busted at a brawl and was fired. My other brother took First Alto Sax at 15, that Sax-player died the night before, he was 85! In High school there wasn't much that could be taught to us, we were old-school veterans but we never had 'Fat Heads' and we'd take a backseat to other band members because it was the right thing to do. Neither of us became full-time professional musicians. Getting drafted after college, I served as a Corpsman, 2nd Marines, that changed things. After leaving the drums for over three decades I returned to them and am having the best time of my life! Got a mighty fine 9-piece set of Yamaha Maple Custom Absolutes in Plum Stain sitting in the middle of the living room!
Cool story, bro.
Thanks! In addition we were our city venue's opening band. From Vince Furnier and the Spiders (Alice Cooper back in the 60's) the Stones, James Brown and the Fabulous Flames, Ertha Kitt, Dione Warrick, pretty much everyone who toured and played here. James Brown had the baddest drummer! What an education-priceless!
What did you mean by the director making Fletcher look like the Pope, though?
Dude...write a book about this, great story
Was he rushing or dragging?
Christian Hernandez definetly dragging my dood
he was doing both actually
Well be better be on Fletchers fucking tempo.
Russian or Dragon. ik i stool that from someone else but it is funny
I've met a couple of people similar to this Fletcher character. Horrible creatures
thats the price of greatness
@@jjdouglas5713
That's the price of deez nutz.
@@jjdouglas5713 It really isn't. That's the lie these people want you to believe.
Maybe not as extreme and violent
@GT012345tube Precisely.
“Did I ask you to start playing again” Simmons almost laughed at that
When u get left on read
Athex omg yes
People miss the point of fletcher he is a embodyment of a muscians mind and the stages we go through. We practice to a point where we thinck where good to only get told the truth. So we push harder to break are limits. But that isnt enougth so we keep going and break are limits again. At some point we all lose faith as everyone wont apprechate your level of skill in which 2 things happen we ever give up or we push even harder and proove people wrong and speak out. Flecher is a true representation of this of how musictians truly get better and how good is never enough but amazing is in the music industry.
Fletcher is a terrifying villain, he knows how to manipulate young musicians. He pretends to care about them on a personal level but he doesn’t care the only thing he wanted was to create the next best drummer. The ending of this movie was also dark because though Andrew became what he wanted to be but at what cost? Losing the people he cared about because of his obsession
Sad thing is there are a lot of people like Fletcher out there in the real world. And 9 times out of 10, it works out for them. People eat out of their hand, sit and roll over just to avoid setting them off- but the worst part is the anger isn't even real, it's just a control mechanism, it's just fueled by pure cold calculation and malice.
The way the camera slowly moves in like a predator hunting his next target...then he leaves lol the manipulation started from the first moment🥵
Whoopsy daisy. Forgot my jacket.
*Clicks on another video*
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Whoospie-daisy...forgot to like a comment
*likes first comment with likes*
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lol
Best comment, you win sir/ma'am/IMGURbot
AlucPanda Sir ;)
AeroRanger100 What about the part where you write this comment?
*clicks on the video, gives a like, goes to the comments section to find one lousy bish who spelt WHOOPSIE DAISY wrong, correct him (by writing this very comment) goes back to the Brazzers video he came from*
The movie mentions Charlie Parker and many comments here touch on that famous, great Jazz artist but let's focus on a real comparison: Buddy Rich. Parker was a wind instrument player, Rich, a drummer. I see a comparison between Fletcher and Rich, here, more than anything and Rich was AWESOME but notorious for breaking down all types of musicians who weren't what he considered to be on his level. Or rather, perceived level, I should say here. I saw Rich play an amazing solo in a duet with Gene Krupa and Krupa looked like a beginner. Rich looked like it was like combing his hair. Yet, Krupa was a beloved band leader and drummer that inspired Rich to play. Amazing. It tells me one thing: Different is not bad. Musicians' varying approaches to playing are what give the world, 'variety' and if we only had 'one' style or way of playing, the world would be boring. A great player is not always a great songwriter or composer. Many great musicians pass on, penniless. Not making anything of this. I applaud any great musician but I also salute the ones who try and get 'something' out of it, however trivial or minute it may seem to some. I saw a video where a well known musician said a musician's personality is seen through their playing. That well known musician was Stephen Perkins, the drummer for Jane's Addiction and he was referring to Keith Moon, a great drummer IMO. To deny Moon's greatness as a drummer, however unconventional as he was, is to deny how great The Who was. Fletcher was insidious but depending on what you want out of life, you need to determine what you are prepared to do or go through to achieve it and in many walks of life besides music, there are people like Fletcher. You need to ask who influenced Fletcher and the chain never ends. I agree. He was over the top. In this world, that is an 'elitist' way of thinking and many people don't make it because I feel, to an extent, in order to become what is perceived as 'great' in this world, you have to abandon some morals. That's what I've observed. Stinks but it's the truth. In order to get to the top, some people are going to get stepped on. Want proof? Look at the story of 'The Eagles', look at the 'true' origin of The Rolling Stones and how they came to be.
100 push ups, 100 sit ups, 100 squats, 10 km of running every day, and then he got all bold and cocky
[First Lines]
Andrew : [Andrew stop playing because Fletcher enters the room] I'm sorry, I...
Terence Fletcher : What's your name?
Andrew : Andrew Neiman sir.
Terence Fletcher : What year are you?
Andrew : I'm a... first year.
Terence Fletcher : You know who I am?
Andrew : Yes sir.
Terence Fletcher : So, you know that I'm looking for players?
Andrew : Yes sir.
Terence Fletcher : Then why did you stop playing?
Terence Fletcher : [Andrew resumes playing] Did I ask you to star playing again?
Andrew : Uh... sorry , I...
Terence Fletcher : I ask why you stop playing and your version of an answer was to turn into a wind-up monkey.
Andrew : Sorry, I...
Terence Fletcher : Show me your rudiments.
Andrew : Yes sir.
[Andrew plays while Fletcher removes his jacket and puts it on a rack]
Terence Fletcher : Double-time swing.
[Andrew resumes playing]
Terence Fletcher : No, double time. Double it!
[Andrew resumes playing]
Terence Fletcher : Faster. Faster!
[Andrew continues playing until he hears Fletcher slam the door out]
Terence Fletcher : [Fletcher goes back to the room] Upsy-daisy. Forget my jacket
When you realize a guy who apparently got into the best jazz school in the country didn’t put the clapping on two and four(basically the high-hat cymbal should be in unison with Fletcher’s clapping).
Now every time i watch this opening i think in my mind "the nightmare begin"
I really like to watch movie clips and then scroll down to the comments section to find viewers overanalysing the scene, their thoughts entertains me somehow and made me understand the hidden meaning of said scene better.
Fletcher was interested to see who was putting in work. Why? Because he is looking for players who are willing to put in the work. The very fact that Fletcher gave 30 seconds of his time to watch Andrew is something, because Fletcher does not mess around. Based upon his short interaction Fletcher found out that Andrew is wet behind the ears brand new, he's a polite kid that responds to authority, that he wants to be in his band and wants to impress, and that he isn't good but has potential and seems to be willing to put in the work. Fletcher leaves while Andrew is playing, showing Andrew just who he is dealing with. The fact that he forgot his jacket shows that Fletcher was running a game on Andrew. The start of an odd relationship.
This is where a decision was made, one that cannot be taken back. He chose to follow Fletcher because he looked up to him and that's what led him down the path of no return in the movie
Hello Sensai, hello student.
Wow that old guy seems like a nice guy who gets results, I hope Andrew achieves his dreams.
He made Andrew feel like shit just like he makes everyone else feel like shit just because he didn't get the Spider-Man pictures he wanted.
Fletcher acts this way because he is not a stellar player, which he proves later on at the club after being fired. He's bitter and he probably thinks he'd be great if someone pushed him harder when he was in college.
Good!!!!
Back when I was in 10th grade, I was in the wrestling class. I was only approximately 120 Ibs at the time and underweight. One day early in the season, my collarbone and ribcage became misaligned. My arms horizontal movement became restricted due to the pain. I asked everyone; my coach, my teachers, my parents to help me see a Chiropractor. No one took me seriously. Because of this injury which I was forced to wrestle with or fail the class, I never won a single match.
I refuse to see this movie because I am afraid of reliving my own trauma. It’s because of this trauma I fail to understand how so many people including Chris can praise a work like this, and because I fail fo understand I feel weak, incompetent, and outcast. Is it okay to feel afraid of a film such as this?
I fail to understand how anyone can call this film, “Astounding”, “Exhilarating”, or “Electrifying”, and “Begging for an encore”, let alone “a masterpiece” as it is quoted on the poster, because I feel the exact opposite. It’s not astounding at all it’s too fucking intense.
These guys in the comments are soft. If you don't succeed, don't just give up. Keep going, and you'll get your shot for greatness
Most people just don't agree with abusing students to make them better.
@@Studio2770 Most people who are trying to achieve greatness don't need a teacher to abuse them, they abuse themselves. The question to movies poses is this: Is it worth the blood, sweat and tears to be great, legendary even?
@ 0:54 fletcher already knew he is going to throw a chair at andrew during "not my tempo" scene to try to recreate jones and parker moment.
James Cameron is working on glasses-free 3D technology for film, and yet they still haven't found a way to sync the audio with what a drummer is supposedly playing
Fletcher is a big fan of Buddy Rich. He would be satisfied if he found the one like him or potentially close to his ability. That's why he took Tanner's folder in order to give chance to Neimann.
bruh how tight his grip is playing double time. homie lookin like he’s tryna blast beat
Why does he play the bass drum on 1 and 3 during the double-time swing? Amateur hour.
What a good teacher
I watched this clip in 10 grade honors lit and that started my obsession with this movie
Anyone else think this may have had an influence on the Negan character from the Walking Dead?
I don't think Fletcher is a bully personally He does use a militant approach to his teaching but is is very direct in his methods and brings out the best in Andrew. He does ask him a direct question that Andrew misinterpreted when he started playing again. Personally I don't mind this method of learning so long as the Teacher actually knows what they are talking about. A bully is someone that imposes themselves on you to feel better about themselves regardless of improving something a bully will even tey to dumb you down rather than help you evolve Fletcher is not so narcissistic imo.
Funny you use the term “militant”: According to the author of this article, “physical abuse, working people out too long, [and] swearing” are things still sergeants are not allowed to do in boot camp.
www.cracked.com/article_19016_5-myths-about-military-you-believe-thanks-to-movies.html
Whoopsie daisy, forgot my jacket
Opsie daisy, I forgot my jacket.
Jk Simmons is the best actor for a director
I have this scary ass director at school and Jk just acted so much like him
flecther brok neymin's ankles
Fletcher took his jacket off, then 30 seconds later leaves with it on his shoulder
Your talent must be catered only to yourself. I don't care who enters the room, I'm doing something. Don't wait for validation or compliments, just be.
Fletcher is just like my freshman year high school basketball coach
Why is there all this debate? Look my theory is this: fletcher was once like neiman. He probably had a rough time as an aspiring musician and was able to climb the ladder and dealt with hard shit. He sees the type of sensitive and entitled kids that he has to teach at schaffer, and he knows who will cut it professionally and who wont. He is probably someone who never got helped in his career and he sees someone like neiman who is talented and he wants to really test him to see how bad he wants it. There are all these spoiled millennials I went to school with who talk about doing all these things but they never ended up doing them. Fletcher has no sympathy for people who aren't serious about being the best.
Hmm, how edgy. Not expecting to suffer emotional and physical abuse from an instructor isn't "entitlement", you idiot. Entitlement would be believing that you are *entitled* to casually abuse your students due to your position. It's a great movie that complete morons love to misunderstand: as a matter of fact, all of Fletcher's arguments in favor of muh tough love are bunk and his account of Charlie Parker's development is absolutely wrong. Development doesn't come from emotional abuse, it comes from practice and dedication.
A competent instructor should encourage this by pointing out new aspects for the student to work on and suggest some ways this could be done--it is perfectly possible to be insightful and make the student aware of technical shortcomings they must isolate and overcome without being an asshole (see Julian bream or Pat Metheny) and violence doesn't even come into the equation as far as serious teaching is concerned. What you describe is simply being a frustrated loser taking it out on powerless pupils for some twisted form of self-aggrandizement and looking for ways to intellectualize it. I hope you keep your pining for the good ol' days of trauma and emotional torment private and spare everyone around you such ignorance.
It is entitlement. This is why Millennials will never do anything great. Not only do you shy away from serious instruction yourselves, you vilify it in others. Hopefully your kids rebel against your uselessness and become a generation that can undo your fuckups.
Emotional abuse isn't serious instruction; it's shitty instruction that only complete morons with no clue as to what constitutes musical practice think is good. Interestingly, your whining about "millenials" exposes you as a pretty typical edgy kid. Pro tip: everyone on the internet can tell an edgy kid; sprinkling some pseudo-jaded rants about millenials onto your comments only makes it more obvious.
Calling something emotional abuse doesn't do anything but plant a label that makes you feel superior. Pretending you are talking to someone young doesn't make you somehow look mature. Your poor rote rhetorical tricks are not hiding your lack of substance.
The substance is very well understood in anything related to education theory, and everything about Fletcher's tutoring in the movie is supposed to reflect emotional abuse quite clearly, as per the character's own description of his "method". His training is very clearly built around tormenting his pupils and creating a feeling of inadequacy within them, supposedly to get them to 'work harder'--this is a classic moron's understanding of education with literally no grounding in any serious theory of education--, and I should think calling his students "friendless, worthless pieces of shit", among other insults (like homophobic slurs) constitutes a pretty obvious example of emotional abuse. I don't know how monumentally stupid you have to be to miss it, but there you go. Literally no one serious believes that violence or abuse are conducive to proper practice--it's the edgy, 'redpilled' internet warrior's theory of education.
Following instruction is important.
That is savage.
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-Tarkan
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Superb opening👍👍👍
People who’ve taken an orchestra class or band class know how accurate this scene is
What rudiment is that
Sounds like a Paradiddle to me..
right left right right left right left left
Enes Gaşi paradiddle
I am nowhere near the level of drum skill that miles teller is in this film but I know for a fact my teacher is as savage as Fletcher. This is just pushing a player to his limits to make him the best he can be
I do not buy that theory as a player who will be the best he can be will not be a product of hours and hours or even years and years of training... I think they are gifted from the start and greatness will be achieved in their own right. Fletcher just wants his Charlie Parker, and will stop at nothing to get it... the scene where he finds out his old student killed himself because of his abuse, but lies about it and says it was died in a care crash and praised his being, he was upset because he lost what could have been his Charlie Parker and not his death.
Fletcher was just sadistic and wanted one thing, and destroyed anyone who he thought would stand in his way, regardless of ability, which is what the whole out of tune scene is about.
+David Downs practice and hard work is what makes you the best. Even if you have natural talent, which very few people have, said talent will only take you so far.
If Negan were a music instructor.
I have a martial arts teacher who’s exactly like this. Lol.
Parker you're fired. Bring me more pictures.
he didn't know he walked into hell's gate
Spoiler Alert
I just realized this movie goes full circle, cause in the end at the last performance, Fletcher asks him why the fuck he's still playing after the piece is over, which completely juxtaposes this where he's stopping and starting and hesitant. He becomes the confident charlie parker fletcher wanted by the end of the movie
I'm an economist so I have a tendency sometimes to look at relationships in an economic context. Andrew wants something. His demand side of the equation is that he wants to be the next Buddy Rich (that can't be taught but that's another conversation). On the supply side, Fletcher is the guy who can get it for him. Fletcher may have other ulterior motives as well but they are not relevant to their transaction. So they make an arrangement. I pay you, you teach me. In a real-world situation Andrew, being a budding drummer, would be well aware of Fletcher's reputation for being a hardass and brutal with his students. I think we can, therefore, assume that Andrew knew what he was getting and it is implied in his agreement with Fletcher. Andrew would only make such an agreement under two conditions:
1. Andrew would have to believe he could take whatever Fletcher could dole out.
2. Andrew would have to believe that he would need whatever it is that Fletcher offered.
So essentially, we have an agreement between two individuals based on mutually beneficial and satisfactory outcomes should the relationship be successful. Andrew will get to the world-class drummer and Fletcher get to be the guy who can say he taught the next world class drummer. I leave it up the viewing audience to decide if this is achieved or not.
IMO all the talk about Fletcher being abusive or that this can lead to suicide is a bullshit, emotional argument. The abusive part is mitigated because Andrew would be well aware of who and what Fletcher is before he entered the relationship and, as a free individual in a free society, he's also free to leave that relationship at any time. Same principle applies to the suicide argument.
Whether Fletcher actually cared about Andrew is also irrelevant. It's applying emotional reasoning to what is not an emotional relationship. It's an exchange of services between individuals old enough to enter into said relationship. That's not say that an emotional relationship may not be a by-product of their arrangement, they may or may not like or love each other in the end, but that is not what Andrew is paying for. Andrew is paying to be pushed to the limit to become the best drummer that he can be.
The great philosopher Denzel Washington once said, "Ease is a greater threat to progress than hardship". Those words certainly ring true here.
But you don't need to progress from a position of ease. That's like saying that paying someone a salary at the top of the range for their position is a threat to raises. Yeah, because you maxed out their salary. But at the end of the day, they're making way more money, instead of getting a few incremental scraps each year.
JK Simmons was impressive in Whiplash. Don't know why he wasted himself in Justice League
I can't believe everybody takes Fletcher's character so seriously - This is a film - A FILM - It's a professional fictional creation - Fletcher is an ACTOR pretending to be an asshole music director... Can't people separate reality from fiction these days??? Jesus H Christ...
+Simon Loveland it shows just how well he acted. It reminds me of George r.r martin congratulating Jack Gleeson on everybody hating him.
+Simon Loveland You must understand though, people react like this, not necessarily because of the acting (which I'll tell you is exceptional) but rather because it's scary to think that people like this exist and are positions of power in the real world.
You do realize he was based off a real person, right?
Is this a film?
Roberto Cipriano really off of whom?
This movie perfectly describes me. I'm Andrew the drummer trying to be as good as possible and I'm also fletcher. Fucking myself up trying to be a better player. If you've seen the movie you'd know what I mean
Yea, for those who really love their craft to the point of obsession, they are both Andrew and Fletcher.
Jesus fuck!!! this guy would take a racing horse and run it to death...............
Fletcher is such a badass.
Wtf 😂
Some people sign up for this shit because they want to be the best of the best.
J.k is jacked
What people don't understand about this scene is that in the end Fletcher left the room to quickly masturbate and jizz on the wall, but since he had no socks he had to come back to use his jacket to clean up the mess.
Buddy Rich ❤
He played J.J. Jameson, and then this guy. What's not to like?
can someone tell me what rudiment he was playing for those 5 seconds
oopsie daisy forgot my jacket
lmao Fletcher ain't no batman.
*NOT MY TEMPO*
Man, it's hard to watch someone just being a jerk. Guess that's why I could never live in New York.