looking at the history of a lot of hte US bombers it was a lot more common. take the catalina's used for coastal work, a lot of times unless you broke the spine or managed to rip a wing off those things could take hellish amounts of punishment. even losing engines was more inconvenient assuming you had proper air speed, due to its desire to try to pull up without the engines pushing it forward, meant you had to ride the controls to make it glide down properly
If I remember correctly, the B-17 was the "Flying Fortress" while the B-24 was the "Flying Coffin" due to its boxy shape, and don't quote me on this but I think they had a higher loss rate but I could very well be wrong
@@cameronfinnie9706 The original history video I saw as a kid said B-17s got renamed flying coffins due to the high casualties; of that, I'm certain. However, it was an old VHS documentary and could have contained misinformation. Edit: We're both right. Both plane types were called that in different contexts.
I like how even though this is probably the most detailed aviation themed show that's been made in a long time, they couldn't even be bothered to put chin turrets on the "late model" B-17s in this clip.
@@Ryan_Christopher i understand that. But you're telling me they had the budget to construct however many full scale replicas and they couldn't be bothered to put a chin turret on at least one of them?
I like how every clip like this on RUclips is full of comments from people who are trivia experts that obviously have no clue about the complexities of making something like this, especially the part about a budget and how anytime someone would want something like that changed on screen it'd cost another $10,000 from having the CGI people have to find something to model it out of, program the software and everything else involved, they think it's as simple as Etch O Sketch or color by number's or something. I'd give anything for one of them to be a technical advisor on a set and watch someone lay into them when they're yapping about trivial nonsense ike Tony Scott laid into those F14 crews that were assigned to him as technical advisors when he was making Top Gun back in the 80's, he finally had enough of them yapping about little details and had to explain to them that he's the one that knows what he's doing when it comes to movie making, and that that's exactly what they were making, a movie and not a training film.
I got to tour a B-17. The one I toured was the one that crashed at Bradley International Airport, Windsor Locks, Connecticut on October 2, 2019. Sadly there were 7 deaths. At the time I toured at my airport they were still providing rides on it. I almost did take a ride.
@@ItzChickenYall : one of my bucket lists was to fly in a bi-plane. I have flown in 4 engine prop commercial planes, twin engines prop private plane, single prop private plane, helicopter, and commercial jet. Dad was retired Navy pilot. I hoped he would get his private license and take me flying but it didn’t happen.
A long time ago I got to fly in the navigator seat on Texas Raiders, the B17 that got hit by another plane in Dallas a couple years ago. It was an absolutely incredible experience, it was tragic to see that happen.
@@poor_old_goat : Wow. I have seen videos on stories about the B17 during WWII. It was amazing how some survived all shot up during the bombing runs. Both of those crashes were tragic. A little bit of a different story is about the Victory at Sea series. When I was a young kid I would watch the shows with my dad who was in the Navy (43-68). He would explain to me what was happening and a few stories about when he was stationed on a carrier.
These are men who left good jobs, girlfriends, non and dad's and many other good fortunes that this great land has made available. But they came to the aid of their country where boys became men very very rapidly. Bravo Zulu. We will never know them all but to all we owe.
je n'ai jamais vu la serie mais je n'ose imaginer le courage qu'il fallait a ces hommes sachant pour certains qu'il ne reviendrait pas de leur mission 😢
1:37 Nice simulation but with two engines gone, the rest of the planes in formation would have passed the stricken bomber in seconds and left it behind, but we see it keeping pace with the formation 1:52 like nothing happened.
It was the lead plane so the other aircraft would have been adjusting velocity to stay in formation with the stricken bomber, up until they radioed that they can't stay in the air and needed a new plane to take over. Just watched the scene where they break formation again and you can even see the next plane they radioed speed up right away to take the lead position. The whole formation likely would have increased speed after this maneuver was completed.
They are lucky the plane stayed straight and level with so much damage. Bailing out would have been nearly impossible if it went down in a death spiral. I'm surprised that burning wing didn't rip off.
The last 3 or 4 episodes were good. The first 6-7 were boring. And twenty years after Band of Brothers, I can still name you the characters and actors names. I have no idea what the names of the characters were in masters of the air. I remember cringing when the one pilot showed up to the prison camp and the main character who played Elvis was waiting for him with his Hollywood hair and wearing his pilot cap cocked to the side. I remember saying “he managed to keep his hat after bailing out of a burning airplane?”
The names, That might have been the idea. My Dad was a replacement crew copilot in WWII, they only lasted 3 missions. Not much time to make friends, and like the show, the old timers would avoid them. I know what you mean about the arrival at the POW camp. something else not addressed in the camps, lice!
My grandpa was part of the mighty 8th out of, pilot b17gLavenham twice his plane got banged up twice both times when bombs were just released. First time bombs release, flathead one of the bombs right now goes up to the plane blows out all the hydraulics so he has no brakes to stop on landing so he’s coming in hot blows past the ambulance waiting for crewmembers starts barreling down towards the cliff that leads to town, and only thing that stopped him was a huge mud puddle from the rain the day before which broke his left landing gear and broke off his wing so after repairs, he had a green plane with the silver wing. The second time was not the greatest they were over Berlin same thing bombs away flak hits bomb bomb shoots shrapnel up into the plane this time it caught one of the crewmembers spun them like a top hit him in the arm and the back, but they did not realize until after they he was hit the back and my grandpa had stabilized his crewmember and then when they landed, they dragged the crewmember out. Doc said had they not landed when they did a couple minutes later he he would have been dead There was just a streak of blood what they had not realize that there was shrapnel on his back, and the guy lost his arm from the elbow down, and his name was Vince and unfortunately was out for the rest of the war, but later on in life, Vince actually died in a P51 ride along accident in 2018. Which is crazy survived World War II, but dies in a plane crash and nonetheless 60 some odd years later.
I'm confused. My understanding is that Captain sits Port, Co-pilot sits Starboard. @1:55 Starboard side guy gives a command and Port side guy says "Yes sir". Isn't the Port side guy the Captain? Why is he not giving orders?
@@EmeryE2 Sorry, I'm a professional pilot, and that's not the way it worked back then. That kind of CRM (crew resource management) didn't come until decades later.
Normally the guy in the lefthand seat is the lead pilot and plane commander, but in this particular case the co-pilot on the right was bumped out of his seat by a senior officer who was flying as the mission commander. The pilot on the left would still be the one primarily flying the plane, while the mission commander on the right would concentrate on the progress of the mission and what all the aircraft under his command were doing. But if everything falls apart and their focus shifts to saving the plane and the crew the mission commander, who is the senior officer on board and a very experienced pilot in his own right, can take over flying the plane as they show here.
@@joebrand5946 I forgot to mention that this clip also shows how after the plane is seriously damaged the mission commander in the right seat gets on the radio and relinquishes command to his deputy commander in another aircraft. No longer in charge of the formation, he then exercises his prerogative to take over flying the airplane and trying to make it across the Oder River to the Russian (Soviet) side of the front.
Unguided precision rockets make zero sense for ground-to-air defense, especially in this context. You'd need a direct hit at a "tiny" target 15-30km away from you. Flak was already hardly effective, and that covers a lot of ground... well, air. And I doubt any sane pilot would shoot rockets at a plane from the front and below. The only thing that makes sense in this context are R4M rockets, but then (apparently) they were meant to be fired in four salvos of six rockets, so two stray ones (especially in this trajectory) hardly make sense at all I would love to be corrected if I'm wrong here, but as far as I can see, that's completely non-historic
@@yenchey3270unguided rockets were carried by larger German aircraft like the Messerschmitt 110. They were volley fired into large bomber formations in hopes of hitting something. They were not very effective.
What’s with the rockets being fired at the aircraft? I’m guessing they are meant to represent some of the early radio controlled missiles developed by Germany late in the war but I thought they wherent fielded?
The Germans did have unguided rockets that they would fire from off in the distance - check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werfer-Granate_21 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M.
the germans had 21 cm ( about 8 inch) rockets used to break up bomber formations uusally 2 per plane and while not very accurate they had a large explosive charge that meant they didnt need to actually hit a Bomber to cause it some damage. But an actual direct hit would be annihilation I'd guess
Change the Title of this Show from * Master of the Air to Master of the POW Camp * majority of Character and Episodes of the Show is how they been Shot Down , Captured and Transported in POW Camps and there daily life in the Camps.😂😂😂
Me in war thunder: my wing would be ripped off, engines on fire,tail almost loose,gunners dead,over enemy territory with like two aaa and like two bf 109s Edit:I would also have no elevator control Edit 2:in case y’all wanna play some battles just comment ur username cuz my username is Xanni81
Classic war thunder. At least you probably kill some german players often. Most of the times i see multiple 109s and 190s just stationary behind a b17 getting retk. As a german 109 main its rather frustrating ahahahah B 17s should be more sturdy in War Thunder tho.
My grade 11 English teacher saw his parents and sister hauled away to a concentration camp never to see them again. He witnessed a young mother severely beaten because she would not let go of her child. He was almost dead when they liberated his camp. So many murders around him My father was at Juno on the day after the initial landings. He had to see friends dead on the beach. He talked once about having to climb over bodies to get around during battles. So many unnecessary deaths. So tell me again how bad it was for your mother because of these Allied carpet bombings. The bombings that diverted massive German resources from these camps and battles.
@@stanburk7392I've read that Germany ended up having to spend one-third of its GDP on air defense during World War II, so I think your argument is a valid one. The Allied area bombing, which was done primarily by the British at night, was pretty brutal, though.
@@stanburk7392 The war was horrible for everyone. Denigrating what others went through is asinine. Who are you going to blame? Hitler? Yeah - he got a lot of people killed but - Hitler was only in power because of the Versailles Peace Treaty - forced on Germany by the British and the French - that had Germany paying for WWI. Germany didn't finish paying off it's WWI War Reparations - until 2010. But - who started WWI? Serbia Started WWI. They sent terrorists to Sara Jevo to kill the Heir to the Austrian Throne - and Austria justifiably attacked them for doing it. Then the Russians, who saw themselves as Defender of the Slavs got into it - and Germany got pulled in because it was an Austrian Ally. Then France got pulled in because it was a Russian Ally. Then the Germans went through Belgium and brought the British in. Britain Blockaded them - so they tried to blockade Britain with their Submarines - and that brought the Americans in. The Allies won WWI - and Serbia got Yugoslavia - which is what it wanted. So the power that caused the World Wars - one causing the other - won what it wanted. So - blame Serbia if you want to blame someone - they're the ones who started this whole chain of events. Of course Yugoslavia disintegrated when Tito died so in the end no one won - at least not permanently. The Western powers tend to blame the Americans for showing up late - but after watching the Europeans kill each other for a few hundred years - they were reluctant. We had a Cold War for about 50 years until the Soviet Union Collapsed - but now -we've got Putin trying to put back together the "Greater Russia" he grew up with. The Average Person has little to say in any of this. Things come along and crush them into bloody pulp regardless of whose side they're on. So - don't be an ass hole. Everybody suffered. Did I mention Asia? Millions of dead there, before, during and after WWII. And of course - this is just the last few hundred years or so - when this shit has been going on since the Dawn of Time. Do you know why people kill each other? Because they can. .
@@ronaldvrooman9695 There is no denying it was brutal and even if someone could prove beyond all doubt that it was not necessary and did nothing to win the war that's hindsight. Japan should have made sure the carriers were in port before attacking. Germany should not have put so many resources into killing Jews and used them as a work force. Near the end of the war resources were actually diverted to concentration camps for the purpose of killing more undesirables. If the USA would have gone ahead with Kelly Johnson's L133 they would not only have had the first jet fighter but by far the most lethal. Check out the L133 is very cool and advanced looking.
@@stanburk7392 Your answer is war propaganda. 70000 french civilians were killed by the USAAF and Bomber Command. These aviations are the aviations which killed the largest number of childrens in the hustory.. 30000 french prisonners were killed by the allied bombings in Germany...
@@alanholloway1264 they didn’t have r4m until the times they were running 262s in the air, they had much less accurate, plane performance killing rocket pods as an early solution
Why? You don’t think they aimed for the fucking front where they would stand a chance of running into allied troops? Especially at this point in the war…the Germans were not taking prisoners anymore
It's actually a pretty direct translation to the screen from the description of the mission in Miller's book. Many truly amazing things happened in the war (and there must have been many many more things that didn't go well).
And some of the BS they could only get away with after the actual airman died. Like the one guy getting back from a German POW camp and flying a couple more missions. There is no way in hell that would have happened.
Indeed - in the book on which this series is based, it is specifically stated that nobody who managed to return from mainland Europe after bailing out ever flew again. This was to prevent the revelation of names and locations on the route home being revealed under interrogation if they ever had to bail out again.
Didn’t that limit apply only to those shot down over occupied Europe and helped to escape by the local resistance movements? Not airmen like Buck Cleven, who was shot down over Germany itself, escaped from captivity inside Germany and reached allied lines inside Germany. So he never met any resistance members or agents who he could then compromise if shot down again.
@@scriptsmith4081. Chuck Yeager was not in a POW camp for a year. There is no way a guy is out of a complicated machine like a B-17 for a year and just jumps back in.
The amount of people complaining about civilian deaths from the bombing is insane when only around 1 million German and Japanese died as a result yet 12 million civilians died as a result of both of their war crimes.
@@Liyaba-zl9neyou’re either a bot, a postmodernist who no longer sees the wood for the trees or the type of apologist who would rather we were doing na zi salutes. You may even love the latter and be camouflaged
The Luftwaffe used unguided rockets against daylight bomber formations - not very successfully as aiming was problematic, but aircraft were lost to them. Due to the large size of the missiles (90 lb warhead in the case of the WG21), any hit was usually devastating. Also, towards the end of the war, they experimented (unsuccessfully) with wire-guided air-to-air missiles.
@@jackaubrey8614 what I'm saying is that the rocket was perfectly guided, even it curved directly into the nose and engine. I don't think that's unguided
"I hate accurate stories that created what are now considered cliche" If it actually happened it cant be cliche. Band of brothers is extremely cliche by your own bullshit standard
@@andrewdewit4711 did you not read my comment? Or are you just hating to hate? The story does no such thing lmao. It follows what actually happened. Just like in Band of brothers. Sorry you think reality is cliche
Baja en picado con el bombardero hasta los 2000m. Eso apagará el fuego en el motor. Necesitaréis la ayuda del copiloto para enderezar el bombardero de nuevo y no caer en barrena y estrellaros..
You probably don't need to watch the series to get the feel for what those airmen went through. Watching Memphis Belle from the 90s was enough for me, and it looked so much more realistic than this CGI shitshow, and with better acting.
@@santigaru40 imho, due to 'cinematic effects' only. As far as I know, in 1945 Germans had wire-guided AA-rockets, but of course these couldn't be used in 1943-44
It must have been a tough decision to have everyone wear the oxygen masks - i know you should know the position but I can bet its had negative effect on connecting with the on screen characters. I find myself with 0 desire to rewatch this series. I like this more than the pacific, but this is not in same league as BoB.
They wear the masks a lot less than they did in real life, and they have a lot more exposed skin than they had in real life - there's some photos in Miller's book of the waist gunners - not a single square of exposed skin.
did some digging and i think it was Rheintochter, i might be wrong bcs im not a historian, there were some prototypes but it was cancelled on 6 feb 1945
Aviation still uses Nautical Terms. Sides are still Port and Starboard. Airspeed is still in Knots (Nautical Miles per Hour), to coincide with Navigation using Latitude and Longitude.
C g I is ruining the movie industry. This was a train wreck and very underwhelming unfortunately. I'd give it a five point five between six point five out of ten .
I love the B-17, but man did it have a gruesome reputation. "Flying coffins". Plane could take more punishment than the crew could.
A nickname that's literally true if we believe the ghost b-17 story
looking at the history of a lot of hte US bombers it was a lot more common. take the catalina's used for coastal work, a lot of times unless you broke the spine or managed to rip a wing off those things could take hellish amounts of punishment. even losing engines was more inconvenient assuming you had proper air speed, due to its desire to try to pull up without the engines pushing it forward, meant you had to ride the controls to make it glide down properly
If I remember correctly, the B-17 was the "Flying Fortress" while the B-24 was the "Flying Coffin" due to its boxy shape, and don't quote me on this but I think they had a higher loss rate but I could very well be wrong
@@cameronfinnie9706 The original history video I saw as a kid said B-17s got renamed flying coffins due to the high casualties; of that, I'm certain. However, it was an old VHS documentary and could have contained misinformation.
Edit: We're both right. Both plane types were called that in different contexts.
@@Doncroft1
Ah, makes sense. I know the B-24 having the name from reading "Unbroken", so that was where I was pulling my knowledge from
I like how even though this is probably the most detailed aviation themed show that's been made in a long time, they couldn't even be bothered to put chin turrets on the "late model" B-17s in this clip.
Would not have matched the practical filming airframes they had on the ground. They had four F models built not Gs to use for the entire season.
@@Ryan_Christopher i understand that. But you're telling me they had the budget to construct however many full scale replicas and they couldn't be bothered to put a chin turret on at least one of them?
Nobody cares.😊
Last minute money saving decision, my guess? Surely their military technical advisors would've noticed? 🤔
I like how every clip like this on RUclips is full of comments from people who are trivia experts that obviously have no clue about the complexities of making something like this, especially the part about a budget and how anytime someone would want something like that changed on screen it'd cost another $10,000 from having the CGI people have to find something to model it out of, program the software and everything else involved, they think it's as simple as Etch O Sketch or color by number's or something.
I'd give anything for one of them to be a technical advisor on a set and watch someone lay into them when they're yapping about trivial nonsense ike Tony Scott laid into those F14 crews that were assigned to him as technical advisors when he was making Top Gun back in the 80's, he finally had enough of them yapping about little details and had to explain to them that he's the one that knows what he's doing when it comes to movie making, and that that's exactly what they were making, a movie and not a training film.
I got to tour a B-17. The one I toured was the one that crashed at Bradley International Airport, Windsor Locks, Connecticut on October 2, 2019. Sadly there were 7 deaths. At the time I toured at my airport they were still providing rides on it. I almost did take a ride.
Nice that sounds pretty impressive, would love to do that one day too
@@ItzChickenYall : one of my bucket lists was to fly in a bi-plane. I have flown in 4 engine prop commercial planes, twin engines prop private plane, single prop private plane, helicopter, and commercial jet. Dad was retired Navy pilot. I hoped he would get his private license and take me flying but it didn’t happen.
@@ItzChickenYalldon’t. They still crash all the time. My great grandpa was a ball turret gunner and he was offered a ride. He said “no, thank you.”
A long time ago I got to fly in the navigator seat on Texas Raiders, the B17 that got hit by another plane in Dallas a couple years ago. It was an absolutely incredible experience, it was tragic to see that happen.
@@poor_old_goat : Wow. I have seen videos on stories about the B17 during WWII. It was amazing how some survived all shot up during the bombing runs. Both of those crashes were tragic. A little bit of a different story is about the Victory at Sea series. When I was a young kid I would watch the shows with my dad who was in the Navy (43-68). He would explain to me what was happening and a few stories about when he was stationed on a carrier.
Thé Guy jumping out the bomb bay door is wild
the only way is down
That was common. If they got the Bomb Bay doors open it was one of the best exits from the plane as it was one of the largest.
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Given the choice that would be my way out for sure
Became the ammo
Why is this “wild”?? It was common. And easy. It’s a huge opening, and they need to get out. Not wild at all
I would never be able to be on a B17. I would've liked my feet on the ground at all times.
They do show a way in the show that you won’t be allowed to fly missions anymore.
Be rescued by resistance organisations
Yeah, nobody cares about your cowardly thoughts
My dad was a tanker...don't be so sure.
These are men who left good jobs, girlfriends, non and dad's and many other good fortunes that this great land has made available. But they came to the aid of their country where boys became men very very rapidly. Bravo Zulu. We will never know them all but to all we owe.
My Dad was a captain on a b17 got shot down over Germany prisoner of war
Never talked about it Now I see why
Look at the state of the West now.
Wish I didn't have to get Apple TV to watch this
There was a free 3 month trial when I signed up, did you check it out?
Yar har, fiddle de dee
Being a pirate is alright to be
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!
@@DallenAshcraft only for apple users... otherwise, it´s 7 days
you know theres free stream websites you can watxh all these for free on. I saw the whole series
je n'ai jamais vu la serie mais je n'ose imaginer le courage qu'il fallait a ces hommes sachant pour certains qu'il ne reviendrait pas de leur mission 😢
1:37 Nice simulation but with two engines gone, the rest of the planes in formation would have passed the stricken bomber in seconds and left it behind, but we see it keeping pace with the formation 1:52 like nothing happened.
It was the lead plane so the other aircraft would have been adjusting velocity to stay in formation with the stricken bomber, up until they radioed that they can't stay in the air and needed a new plane to take over.
Just watched the scene where they break formation again and you can even see the next plane they radioed speed up right away to take the lead position. The whole formation likely would have increased speed after this maneuver was completed.
Why are they flying in a B17F? rosenthal's plane in 1945 was a B17G
Whats the different?
@@SintaPratiwi-d6dA turret below the nose
@@SintaPratiwi-d6dnothing in terms of enjoying the show but there's visual differences including a chin turret.
You might want to check out the interview with the vfx guy on the show, it's all explained there.
It s a show . Not a doc. And It s super. If you see the munster's raid , rosenthal Is Flying the b17 as a p51 .
They are lucky the plane stayed straight and level with so much damage. Bailing out would have been nearly impossible if it went down in a death spiral. I'm surprised that burning wing didn't rip off.
its TV
cant wait to recreate this when the mighty 8th vr comes out
It´s wonderful because with two engines out these B-17 remain in formation !!, at least until 2:19
I just farted
Callum turner we are proud of you on this movie from your cousins in Canada from garry turner
Nicely done
nordic languages. it's like white people communication
For those curious towards the end of WW2 Germany started build thecfirst unguided surface to air missiles
Im impressed with this series.
Impressed on how shitty the CGI is?
How unmemorable the characters are?
this series is BS
@@Xingmey Thats your opinion though isn't it
@@XingmeyThe one scene portraying a large-scale dogfight between P-51 escorts and German fighters was very poorly done; it wasn't realistic at all.
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we owe so much to these men,
"I'm going to try to get us past the Russian lines where we'll be safe"
No doubt the only time that phrase has ever been said in the whole of history
An interesting series. But it was vno “12 O’clock High”. Not even close
The last 3 or 4 episodes were good. The first 6-7 were boring. And twenty years after Band of Brothers, I can still name you the characters and actors names. I have no idea what the names of the characters were in masters of the air. I remember cringing when the one pilot showed up to the prison camp and the main character who played Elvis was waiting for him with his Hollywood hair and wearing his pilot cap cocked to the side. I remember saying “he managed to keep his hat after bailing out of a burning airplane?”
smuggled, or other officer that is dead etc etc
The names, That might have been the idea. My Dad was a replacement crew copilot in WWII, they only lasted 3 missions. Not much time to make friends, and like the show, the old timers would avoid them. I know what you mean about the arrival at the POW camp. something else not addressed in the camps, lice!
They said that’s how they greeted each other in real life
"You've got a hole in your left wing!"
My grandpa was part of the mighty 8th out of, pilot b17gLavenham twice his plane got banged up twice both times when bombs were just released. First time bombs release, flathead one of the bombs right now goes up to the plane blows out all the hydraulics so he has no brakes to stop on landing so he’s coming in hot blows past the ambulance waiting for crewmembers starts barreling down towards the cliff that leads to town, and only thing that stopped him was a huge mud puddle from the rain the day before which broke his left landing gear and broke off his wing so after repairs, he had a green plane with the silver wing. The second time was not the greatest they were over Berlin same thing bombs away flak hits bomb bomb shoots shrapnel up into the plane this time it caught one of the crewmembers spun them like a top hit him in the arm and the back, but they did not realize until after they he was hit the back and my grandpa had stabilized his crewmember and then when they landed, they dragged the crewmember out. Doc said had they not landed when they did a couple minutes later he he would have been dead There was just a streak of blood what they had not realize that there was shrapnel on his back, and the guy lost his arm from the elbow down, and his name was Vince and unfortunately was out for the rest of the war, but later on in life, Vince actually died in a P51 ride along accident in 2018. Which is crazy survived World War II, but dies in a plane crash and nonetheless 60 some odd years later.
0:45 Rocket incoming? Which rocket?!?
Wasserfall rockets are "Luft '46" fantasies. This fantasy exists most predominantly amongst Americans- strangely enough. Those evil nazi scientists!
Same question
Flieger-Faust
I'm confused. My understanding is that Captain sits Port, Co-pilot sits Starboard. @1:55 Starboard side guy gives a command and Port side guy says "Yes sir". Isn't the Port side guy the Captain? Why is he not giving orders?
He was the PF and the other was the PM
@@EmeryE2 Sorry, I'm a professional pilot, and that's not the way it worked back then. That kind of CRM (crew resource management) didn't come until decades later.
Normally the guy in the lefthand seat is the lead pilot and plane commander, but in this particular case the co-pilot on the right was bumped out of his seat by a senior officer who was flying as the mission commander. The pilot on the left would still be the one primarily flying the plane, while the mission commander on the right would concentrate on the progress of the mission and what all the aircraft under his command were doing. But if everything falls apart and their focus shifts to saving the plane and the crew the mission commander, who is the senior officer on board and a very experienced pilot in his own right, can take over flying the plane as they show here.
@@curtishintz8962 That makes sense. I haven't seen the series yet, so I wasn't aware of the situation on that mission.
@@joebrand5946 I forgot to mention that this clip also shows how after the plane is seriously damaged the mission commander in the right seat gets on the radio and relinquishes command to his deputy commander in another aircraft. No longer in charge of the formation, he then exercises his prerogative to take over flying the airplane and trying to make it across the Oder River to the Russian (Soviet) side of the front.
May respect Respect and love love
Може да уважавате уважението и да обичате обичането
ack ack...it is anti aircraft fire from guns on the ground Very common in WW 2
Wow!!….really!!?
Boom boom... it is anti ground bombs from planes on the air Very common in WW 2
@@domingofung what planet are you on!?
Bang Bang... it is anti infantry fire from rifles on the ground Very common in WW 2
Overload is opening up….
Im see the series is perfect
Rockets? ROCKETS?? Dude, WHAT???
I'm aware they mounted unguided rockets to some of their fighters, but that shit's coming up from below
It looked rockit-y and not like AA, I was Confused too
Unguided precision rockets make zero sense for ground-to-air defense, especially in this context. You'd need a direct hit at a "tiny" target 15-30km away from you. Flak was already hardly effective, and that covers a lot of ground... well, air. And I doubt any sane pilot would shoot rockets at a plane from the front and below. The only thing that makes sense in this context are R4M rockets, but then (apparently) they were meant to be fired in four salvos of six rockets, so two stray ones (especially in this trajectory) hardly make sense at all
I would love to be corrected if I'm wrong here, but as far as I can see, that's completely non-historic
@@yenchey3270unguided rockets were carried by larger German aircraft like the Messerschmitt 110.
They were volley fired into large bomber formations in hopes of hitting something.
They were not very effective.
@@yenchey327015,000 - 30,000km how high do you think these things are?😂😂😂
What’s with the rockets being fired at the aircraft? I’m guessing they are meant to represent some of the early radio controlled missiles developed by Germany late in the war but I thought they wherent fielded?
The Germans did have unguided rockets that they would fire from off in the distance - check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werfer-Granate_21 and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4M.
the germans had 21 cm ( about 8 inch) rockets used to break up bomber formations uusally 2 per plane and while not very accurate they had a large explosive charge that meant they didnt need to actually hit a Bomber to cause it some damage. But an actual direct hit would be annihilation I'd guess
ground launched as far as I know
Wasserfall ground to air missiles were not ready by war's end. A "Luft 46" fantasy.
wo kann man die serie anschauen
I think on Apple TV
Change the Title of this Show from * Master of the Air to Master of the POW Camp * majority of Character and Episodes of the Show is how they been Shot Down , Captured and Transported in POW Camps and there daily life in the Camps.😂😂😂
Qual o nome da série ?
Masters of air
Me in war thunder: my wing would be ripped off, engines on fire,tail almost loose,gunners dead,over enemy territory with like two aaa and like two bf 109s
Edit:I would also have no elevator control
Edit 2:in case y’all wanna play some battles just comment ur username cuz my username is Xanni81
your very brave....
Classic war thunder.
At least you probably kill some german players often.
Most of the times i see multiple 109s and 190s just stationary behind a b17 getting retk.
As a german 109 main its rather frustrating ahahahah
B 17s should be more sturdy in War Thunder tho.
as a German main sim pilot i would take you on alone, you would be lucky to hit me ;)
@@vaerenbergh ah a fellow man of culture i see.
I can save it! "as it starts a hard roll to the left."
There'd be fighters on that thing so fast ! They'd all be turned into much that's the fact of war !
Not always. The B-17 was already going down, why waste ammo. Also the German fighters may have run low on fuel in order to chase the B-17.
Horror undersight. My mother was terrified by allied carpet bombings. So many deaths around her....
My grade 11 English teacher saw his parents and sister hauled away to a concentration camp never to see them again. He witnessed a young mother severely beaten because she would not let go of her child. He was almost dead when they liberated his camp. So many murders around him My father was at Juno on the day after the initial landings. He had to see friends dead on the beach. He talked once about having to climb over bodies to get around during battles. So many unnecessary deaths. So tell me again how bad it was for your mother because of these Allied carpet bombings. The bombings that diverted massive German resources from these camps and battles.
@@stanburk7392I've read that Germany ended up having to spend one-third of its GDP on air defense during World War II, so I think your argument is a valid one. The Allied area bombing, which was done primarily by the British at night, was pretty brutal, though.
@@stanburk7392 The war was horrible for everyone. Denigrating what others went through is asinine.
Who are you going to blame?
Hitler?
Yeah - he got a lot of people killed but - Hitler was only in power because of the Versailles Peace Treaty - forced on Germany by the British and the French - that had Germany paying for WWI. Germany didn't finish paying off it's WWI War Reparations - until 2010.
But - who started WWI?
Serbia Started WWI. They sent terrorists to Sara Jevo to kill the Heir to the Austrian Throne - and Austria justifiably attacked them for doing it. Then the Russians, who saw themselves as Defender of the Slavs got into it - and Germany got pulled in because it was an Austrian Ally. Then France got pulled in because it was a Russian Ally. Then the Germans went through Belgium and brought the British in. Britain Blockaded them - so they tried to blockade Britain with their Submarines - and that brought the Americans in.
The Allies won WWI - and Serbia got Yugoslavia - which is what it wanted. So the power that caused the World Wars - one causing the other - won what it wanted.
So - blame Serbia if you want to blame someone - they're the ones who started this whole chain of events.
Of course Yugoslavia disintegrated when Tito died so in the end no one won - at least not permanently.
The Western powers tend to blame the Americans for showing up late - but after watching the Europeans kill each other for a few hundred years - they were reluctant.
We had a Cold War for about 50 years until the Soviet Union Collapsed - but now -we've got Putin trying to put back together the "Greater Russia" he grew up with.
The Average Person has little to say in any of this. Things come along and crush them into bloody pulp regardless of whose side they're on.
So - don't be an ass hole. Everybody suffered.
Did I mention Asia? Millions of dead there, before, during and after WWII.
And of course - this is just the last few hundred years or so - when this shit has been going on since the Dawn of Time.
Do you know why people kill each other?
Because they can.
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@@ronaldvrooman9695
There is no denying it was brutal and even if someone could prove beyond all doubt that it was not necessary and did nothing to win the war that's hindsight.
Japan should have made sure the carriers were in port before attacking.
Germany should not have put so many resources into killing Jews and used them as a work force. Near the end of the war resources were actually diverted to concentration camps for the purpose of killing more undesirables.
If the USA would have gone ahead with Kelly Johnson's L133 they would not only have had the first jet fighter but by far the most lethal. Check out the L133 is very cool and advanced looking.
@@stanburk7392 Your answer is war propaganda. 70000 french civilians were killed by the USAAF and Bomber Command. These aviations are the aviations which killed the largest number of childrens in the hustory.. 30000 french prisonners were killed by the allied bombings in Germany...
Thinking those rockets were actually accurate is incredible hahahah, no chance
but the germans had operational air to air rockets called r4m.
@@alanholloway1264 they didn’t have r4m until the times they were running 262s in the air, they had much less accurate, plane performance killing rocket pods as an early solution
The sound designer should realize radial engines don't sound like flat four Continental or Lycomings. Tsk.Tsk.
Название ?
Masters of the Air.
It is on Apple TV.
Both the Germans & the Allies were exploring the development of SAM systems, none came into fruition in WW2.
Kein Mitleid! Für keinen BOMBER!✊️🔥
I stopped watching this episode when this guy lands with his parachute right on the front line between Germans and Russians fighting each other.
Why? You don’t think they aimed for the fucking front where they would stand a chance of running into allied troops? Especially at this point in the war…the Germans were not taking prisoners anymore
It's actually a pretty direct translation to the screen from the description of the mission in Miller's book. Many truly amazing things happened in the war (and there must have been many many more things that didn't go well).
Movie name?
It tells you in the title and description
@@roughrider6129thanks
Those were 1k pound bombs…
Why didn’t they ditch everything that was heavy, so to lighten the plane
Name the film
Too bad this is only on Apple TV
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映画の名前を教えてくれませんか
Masters of the Air
Masters of the Air Clip - “Engine Three Is On Fire” (2024)
Is this some kind of TV series?Or a game?
Masters of the Air, a TV series on Apple TV+
And some of the BS they could only get away with after the actual airman died. Like the one guy getting back from a German POW camp and flying a couple more missions. There is no way in hell that would have happened.
Indeed - in the book on which this series is based, it is specifically stated that nobody who managed to return from mainland Europe after bailing out ever flew again. This was to prevent the revelation of names and locations on the route home being revealed under interrogation if they ever had to bail out again.
Didn’t that limit apply only to those shot down over occupied Europe and helped to escape by the local resistance movements? Not airmen like Buck Cleven, who was shot down over Germany itself, escaped from captivity inside Germany and reached allied lines inside Germany. So he never met any resistance members or agents who he could then compromise if shot down again.
Chuck Yeager was shot down, escaped and returned to combat.
@@scriptsmith4081. Chuck Yeager was not in a POW camp for a year. There is no way a guy is out of a complicated machine like a B-17 for a year and just jumps back in.
@@Phat737it has happened though 😊
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And not 1 real B17 was used for filming - shocking!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a lot of real B-17s still around nowadays. The design is nearly a century old.
The amount of people complaining about civilian deaths from the bombing is insane when only around 1 million German and Japanese died as a result yet 12 million civilians died as a result of both of their war crimes.
And the link to official numbers that you are claiming is where?
@@memadmax69 Nowhere to be found because the winner write the history
@@Liyaba-zl9neyou’re either a bot, a postmodernist who no longer sees the wood for the trees or the type of apologist who would rather we were doing na zi salutes. You may even love the latter and be camouflaged
@@memadmax69it’s in most reputable accounts written by expert historians that have scoured as much evidence as they can
@@memadmax69Look it up.
Or go to your local college library.
Engines need super thick Kevlar
not available in 1943
guided rockets in ww2 against a prop? huh, very realistic!
Rocket artillery bud
The Luftwaffe used unguided rockets against daylight bomber formations - not very successfully as aiming was problematic, but aircraft were lost to them. Due to the large size of the missiles (90 lb warhead in the case of the WG21), any hit was usually devastating. Also, towards the end of the war, they experimented (unsuccessfully) with wire-guided air-to-air missiles.
@@jackaubrey8614 what I'm saying is that the rocket was perfectly guided, even it curved directly into the nose and engine. I don't think that's unguided
@@austinr6513 💀
The Germans sometimes attacked American bomber formations with rocket-armed Ju-88's or Me-110's. (Those were both twin-engined planes, by the way.)
What happened to the person who was videotaping all of this…. Did he die.???
Don't worry lil bro I paused the video
空飛ぶ要塞と言われました
Why always the nose get hit?
B-17;😮
Tja, mit zerbröselten Tragflächen und Ausfall zweier Motoren fliegt es sich nicht mehr so gut😂
wieviele dieser Luftpiraten sind eigentlich drauf gegangen...
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😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉
Um sechs und vierzig tausen Amerikaner...Mehr als funfzig tausen Englander
東京大空襲 の最にあえて低空飛行船したらしいですが
B17 down
Too bad the series was far less interesting than Band of Brothers or The Pacific. The cliche-ridden script was annoying.
Pero cuál clichez si todo es en base al libro que escribieron los verdaderos Veteranos, eres solo un charlatan
The script is not verbatim from the book, clown.
"I hate accurate stories that created what are now considered cliche"
If it actually happened it cant be cliche.
Band of brothers is extremely cliche by your own bullshit standard
@@Wolfof1918 the script is full of cliches, in the dialogue, doing injustice to the actual story. Those guys were heroic.
@@andrewdewit4711 did you not read my comment? Or are you just hating to hate? The story does no such thing lmao.
It follows what actually happened. Just like in Band of brothers. Sorry you think reality is cliche
Band of brothers was made in 2001 and did not look like a vide game.
Best bomber movie is still memphis belle
this show had everything to become one of tthe best show ever but turn to be a boring show without usless story ...
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Настали времена, когда этот эпизод сожаления не вызывает. Жаль, что не сбили.
Baja en picado con el bombardero hasta los 2000m. Eso apagará el fuego en el motor. Necesitaréis la ayuda del copiloto para enderezar el bombardero de nuevo y no caer en barrena y estrellaros..
破裂して破片が当たる砲弾は当時の日本にはないご都合主義の物語なんだ
You probably don't need to watch the series to get the feel for what those airmen went through. Watching Memphis Belle from the 90s was enough for me, and it looked so much more realistic than this CGI shitshow, and with better acting.
A bunch of reverse projection crap.
Yeah, wtf are those heat seeking rockets? So stupid.
maybe these were unguided rockets from German fighters, they were in use during WW2
@@dimon5891 then why did it curve and go directly for the engines?
@@santigaru40 imho, due to 'cinematic effects' only. As far as I know, in 1945 Germans had wire-guided AA-rockets, but of course these couldn't be used in 1943-44
@@dimon5891 - this raid was Feb 1945.
Waste gunner
فیلم بدرد نخور هست
لطفاً دیدن نکنید
The Thumbnail 👎😽😽
It must have been a tough decision to have everyone wear the oxygen masks - i know you should know the position but I can bet its had negative effect on connecting with the on screen characters. I find myself with 0 desire to rewatch this series. I like this more than the pacific, but this is not in same league as BoB.
They wear the masks a lot less than they did in real life, and they have a lot more exposed skin than they had in real life - there's some photos in Miller's book of the waist gunners - not a single square of exposed skin.
What are these supposed to be , there were no ground to air missles in ww2.
@@dajuanvariste4751 Just unguided air to air missles against bombers. Hollywood always overrates nazi germany military.
Ever heard of flak?
@@Misathechamp Flugabwehrkanonen are guns not missiles/rocket 0:46
Not mass produced, but there were some experimental ones.
did some digging and i think it was Rheintochter, i might be wrong bcs im not a historian, there were some prototypes but it was cancelled on 6 feb 1945
What a complete load of bollox, how many fighters !!!?? Pleased i didn't subscribe to Apple to watch this shite
Stopped watching that crap after 2 episodes. Horribly made, lously CGI, no story.
Only the English used "port" & "starboard", those are nautical terms, not used on planes in the US.
Aviation still uses Nautical Terms. Sides are still Port and Starboard. Airspeed is still in Knots (Nautical Miles per Hour), to coincide with Navigation using Latitude and Longitude.
As far as I know, US aircrews have always used nautical terms in aviation. That's why the pilots sit in the cockpit, for example.
Pilots still use port and starboard.
Thanks for your false contribution.
C g I is ruining the movie industry. This was a train wreck and very underwhelming unfortunately. I'd give it a five point five between six point five out of ten .
Germany Is harmless. English speakers
1:06 Everything, but the intended target is burning. Bunch of war criminls.
😂😂😂😂 Nazi?
you’re acting like the germans and japanese committed 0 war crimes 😭
Losers can't spell. Pigmy ankle biter.
Was denkt ihr wie sich Frauen und Kinder dort unten gefühlt hatten , siehe zB Dresden !
Adolf, pregúntale a los judíos que mataron ustedes
Who posts this cgi utter nonsense!?
Your mother
@@cromano6830 stay in your dark basement you retard.
They actually destroyed a historic B-17 and killed several actors to shoot this. No CGI necessary
Хотя для них хватило бы С -125.
С учетом высоты, Тунгуска их бы снесла.
春袋中彈必定陷家剷！沒有「假如」個西！
Masters of the Air Clip - “Engine Three Is On Fire” (2024)