Twice Exceptional Learners (2e) | Jim Russell | TEDxGatewayArch
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- This is a talk about people that are twice exceptional - which can take many forms. A person could be very intelligent while dealing with Learning Disabilities that would be twice exceptional
Dr. Jim Russell (aka Dr. Jim) is a Licensed Counselor working in clinical practice with people who are very bright but who have learning differences. He works with a wide range of "human beings" from preschoolers to seniors. He is a Department of Elementary And Secondary Education (DESE) Certified School Psychological Examiner for the State of Missouri. Dr. Jim instructed graduate students in both the departments of education and counseling. He is presently an Adjunct Instructor at Washington University, and he has been an instructor at Webster University, the University of Missouri, and at the St. Louis Community College.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
I'm 26 and recently discovered how I'm likely 2e. I've had a lot of self esteem issues and confusion growing up. As far back as I could remember school was a combination of brilliant moments and embarrassing incapability all at once. I feel only now my past is starting to make sense.
If you don’t have to separate emotion from logic you can figure things out before everyone else.
Congrats man, I’m in the same boat! Turning 22 and just learning about this, ironic because I was basically diagnosed gifted at age five but never told about it. I was in private schools but no one every talked to me about it! Feels a little like betrayal, but I think my strengths masked the weaknesses.
Hope you’re getting it figured out and feeling better about it!
I'm 3 years late, but I'm 17 and I can relate (this is not a rap). I laughed at the relatability. I started extensively researching and I discovered I have both Asperger's and ADHD, and now, I can highly resonate with the experience of 2E people, both in traits and feelings. You said you used to have moments of brilliance and frustration. I'm currently in senior high school, and while I like/have a passion in science and mostly do well in it, my interests and obsessions and their applications are and remain out of school, which is why I almost never study much for school (kinda boring it is, at times, and I usually read a book in class). When it comes to the final exams, I can pick up textbooks a few hours before, and score averagely and higher than not, all while studying very little (I find it easier to self-study/teach than having a grumpy teacher and a loud class taking forever or not exactly fulfilling my needs). My issues consume me as my capabilities feed and that results in a person who's of a perfectionist himself. Sometimes, I can't perform at all, despite being quite determined and not sleeping well for days simply trying to do what I consider should be done and best done. School burns me out. I have sensory processing issues, concentration and attention issues (mostly in school), am super sensitive, and a few of the typical stuff that comes ASD and ADHD. I used to get quite aggressive at others in elementary school, which led the whole class to hate me and bully me for it, and heck the whole school or everyone I encountered didn't particularly like me (including teachers, and they either either felt frustrated with/hated me and my intensity/stubbornness or just avoided me). Home wasn't a very positive environment neither. Now I have greater control over myself but that is internal suffering, and I have manage and work with myself well. I'm considering a medical diagnosis as well.
My problem is after decades of teachers tell me I don't try hard enough, even though I tried harder than most anyone else, I finally learn about this as an adult and there's little support.
We are struggling with this same thing with our daughter. Thankfully my wife went through the same thing and can relate and we will not stand down until our daughter is able to live a life she was meant to live. Hope you are finding your path!
Don't confuse support and understanding :)
More like no support.
Same boat.
There really needs to be more support for adults, especially since more adults are getting diagnoses or learning about their traits as adults.
15:00 is absolutely true. Some of us overthink because we think the question is a devious trap when, mostly, they're not. Furthermore, we consider all (most) possibilities, not just the first correct one.
I have ADHD and I am gifted. By now some depression also set in, but that should not be a surprise. I feel like such a wasted potential. I know how smart I am, but the lack of motivation, and chaotic short term memory, makes me feel like such a failure. Everyone tells you how smart you are if you just work harder, but working harder never helped me forward. Only makes me more depressed. And now in a normal job I am such an underachiever. I always was. There are moments of brilliance but no one cares about that anymore if you can't just do a simple job.
And people don't want to hear excuses so I just keep struggling.
The statistics are against us...
So relatable, I have been feeling so angry at myself for almost as long as I can remember. Now at 25 years old, I got diagnosed and it just has me more confused about myself.
This video is 5 years old but this comment section makes me feel so at home. I know everyone else is saying it but this is the story of my life.
My 5.5 y year old son is 2e. His IQ is 130. His diagnosis of ADHD causes problems with his executive functioning, frustration tolerance, and impulse control. It causes him to act out behaviorally in school. My husband is gifted as well. Great Ted talk.
Jessica Walker my daughter is as well. School has been such a huge issue. She was put in gifted classes in Kindergarten and again in 1st. It’s only for a few hours a day though and the rest is spent in the regular class. She has issues in the regular class. Her teachers are not very understanding. We have seen a psychiatrist and given meds but, I don’t like her taking them.
She also does not do class work in the regular class, she is in another world. She says she hates school ☹️
My 6 year old is going through the same
Hey somebody got the math correct!
Excellent explanation! The frustration I feel when I think about my own experience bubbles up and I want to shed a tear. I am so glad this issue is coming to the forefront because as Dr. Jim says, "Everyone deserves a seat at the table!"
My daughter just tested as gifted and has sensory processing disorder as well. Sometimes it's hard for me to understand and I want to ensure she knows. Anything that you wished or would have changed or feedback on the insight of your perspective you would feel like sharing? Thank you in advance
I have a supervised Mensa IQ in the 'High Average' range, and I was placed in remedial sets at school.
I was always different. I was abused at the age of 4, bullied consistently through out the entirety of my schooling ( they said I was weird) in the first grade my disability in math became apparent. Soon after I discovered a near prodigious talent for art. I was tested in the 5th grade when I purposefully failed everything. My iq was scored at 131. With a difficulty in math, add, anxiety and what I now know is PTSD. I was put into resource math until my freshman year. I was tossed into regular algebra where my absolute best was a low C. My behavior spiraled, I dropped out at the recommendations of the principal . That was in 2002. I still do not have a diploma. I can pass with As in everything without cracking a book but the math just doesn't stick. It's a strange thing, to feel smart as a whip only to feel defective the next.
THIS. IS. ME. ❤️
I had a friend that was dyslexic and had dyscalculia. In math class he would write every thought he had onto paper... And I mean every single idea and would piece together an answer and keep reinforcing his answer. His gift was in pattern recognition. He took the RAPM Set 2 in 20 minutes and scored 33/36. He told me that the score translates to an iq over 139 and that his iq doesn't really help him with basic ideas and that he has to always find new ways to solve easy questions. He killed himself. He left a note that said this world wasn't made for him because everything was made to go against him. He saw himself as an alien trying to understand the world.
This is so me I have ADHD just learned it recently. The bullying and all life thinking why I couldn't fit with people. It's been rough. I always got straight A's in Art all my life but got red marking in report in some other subjects. Never knew why. But knowing and understanding yourself gets off the weight of your head and shoulders and makes you understand and appreciate what good you have. Being exceptional in some and not good in others is normal. Wish people would have understood it in my early years. But now trying to understand and accept myself as I am without any guild or judgement.
@@realPidge True that. Experienced that all my life. Had multiple attempts of suicide through out my life. 1st at 13 . It's not easy to be different. People don't let you live. Constantly criticize you, mock you or bully you all throughout your life. You feel like it was wrong for you to be born in the first place. It's a long lost lonely road where you fall and try to get back up untill you give up.
“Gatekeeping mechanism”
Uh. That hits home. Story of my life… until college, where I excelled in STEM.
How many of you smart people have trouble watching movies. My wife hates it when about half way through I shred the plot. How the scenario's are impossible. I remember one movie where an intelligence agency had a thumb drive with super valuable data that got stolen and they spent the whole movie trying to get it back. At the end I just looked at my wife and said "Really, no back up" She said "They wanted the data back" I said, "I bet the thieves were smart enough to back it up"
As a movie fan, I used to struggle with this, hence why I don't usually look for thrillers or the mystery genre overall (since the sole purpose of this is to make a mystery out of the plot), because I can figure them out pretty quickly. What changed for me is, not only to learn about a wide range of movies, but to *look for* the process, not the result. I am impatient enough that If I don't know by half way into the movie, how it finishes, I probably read the full plot on internet while watching the movie. But I am okay with spoilers, actually I enjoy them because I get to engage more in the process, the details, the way it unfolds, the photography and dialogs (if there are any) and be excited about certain part I know it's coming. I love movies that force me to pay attention, even when I can't, because I go back and repeat what I just missed (that's if I realize I'm lost).
Sure, if you don't enjoy movies, you don't have to watch them, not gonna ruin your life for not watching any movies. I am just here giving a different perspective on how to enjoy them if you wish to.
He deserved more laughs. :D
It takes intelligence to be funny. Fascinating actually, I was researching how to be a comedian 😂
This TedTalk really made me think. (more). Please, if you love your kids, support them, if he/she manifests something in the early stages be really, really attentive, and as parents seek other specialized people's help and report with no lies. These people can become exceptional beings with the correct people applying and balancing specific techniques in certain life stages to help them reach their potential. This is a serious, invisible disease that will let them burn out sooner or later. You know that with ADHD, they can be exceptional at “surviving”. Even for years. Especially kids with increased difficulties like no parents, or even exposure to a toxic environment, traumas, or other hard-life events, they can persist thanks to their exceptional character. Yes, too much sensitivity sometimes, but at least, great passionate, loyal, interesting, and loveable people who would have a total burn to help their relatives. Mind as big has their heart. What else could you ask for a character for a public school teacher? And many, many other areas they fit. Where do you think Stunt people come from? Or Firemen who save lives? Act to help youngsters in the name of these little humans, who strive with 1000 uncontrolled thoughts. Even with 2e, IQ tests are not what defines your character. To grow and achieve success is to wait, live, appreciate life, and give space to everyone who needs it. You can make tests to acknowledge better, but it is you who defines your future. The world is full of opportunities and is waiting for you at the right time. Go slower if you need to, but go. Master Yoda always says: "No! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try."
This man is funny and humble - his presentation style is interesting as he really got the audience active which must be a fun way for his students to learn from.
Thank you! My son is 2e, and my husband is bald.
Lol
hahaha
My son scored 132 and is in the 98% with Dyslexia and Dysgraphia finding it hard to find anyone like him and hard to get him any support at school
I feel your struggle
Is suicide common in twice exceptional people. I remember multiple times in life I tried to end up my life because of bullying behavior because no one could understand me. Been a loner for life. Have 1 or two best friends whom somehow I lose due to disconnection as we grow. It's sometimes difficult to live in this world where no one could understand you and sometimes you not even yourself could.
You may be autistic and have ADHD. This is what I have and what I feel twice exceptionality really is. You’re not alone.
It's like going full throttle and hitting the brakes at the same time. On my IQ test I scored 128, the highest being 160+ in the language category and lowest 92 in time management, I’m almost textbook twice exceptional, still without any official diagnosis.
The going full throttle? ADHD The brakes? Autism
I know because I’m also textbook 2e, and since realizing the autism and ADHD, every single detail of my messed up life is crystal clear. Look into it.
@@mikaelangeloh2316 for me, it's reversed. Autism is full throttle and ADHD is the brakes lol
This is brilliant, I though the E for entertainment was really worked in there. I don't know anything about 2e and someone mentioned it to me, so I YT searched it, this came up top.
I don’t have confirmation but I believe my 5 year old is 2e. He understands complex subjects but struggles with simple subjects sometimes. Very interesting 🤔
You can get him tested at school with a psycho-educational assessment. Depending where you live, most governments cover this cost for kids.
I was tested early and it changed my life. I was put in both the gifted program and the special learning program for kids with learning differences. I think I was extremely rare for that time but I had a really good teacher who spotted it early on.
Today I’m a doctor. I definitely would NOT have been able to do that had I not been tested early. School wasn’t easy when I was a kid. But it got easier as time went along and by the time I reached university I found my stride. I did horrible in third grade-8th grade (was a C student with As in science and music). By the time I hit high school I was a B/C student with an A in only science. By the time I hit university I was a straight A student - but this was also because I never took classes I knew I was bad at. Shakespeare English? Forget it. Wasn’t happening. The benefit of being tested early is that I already knew what I was bad at by the time I reached university - I knew what I could and couldn’t do. Most kids entering college don’t know these things so they learn through trial and error. I had already had years of trial and error in high school when grades didn’t really matter.
Just my thoughts :)
2e can be incredibly rewarding to have. But it can also be incredibly debilitating if you don’t know you have it. It’s also incredibly lonely as well -- and knowing about the social isolation aspects will help you help your son navigate that if he does turn out to have it.
@@Zoeread19 thanks! Appreciate this so much! I definitely need to look into it.
HE GAVE A SPEECH AT THE SCHOOL I GO TO!!! ITS CALLED THE MIRIAM SCHOOL AND IT APPRECIATES HOW EVERYONE LEARNS
awesome
"that story doesn't have a happy ending"
i just knew what you were abt to say
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Everyone deserves a seat at the table.
Genius is 33.33% Inspiration, 33.33% Perspiration, and 33.33% Aspiration. Or everything at max, working together at max and in the best in one's ability towards their paths...
I have high functioning autism and no one will ever accept me as having a disability because I’m good looking.
Same with me and ADHD , I flew right under the radar and burned out , nobody cared to ask about me cause I was hella athletic and was one handsome mthrfr
I have both autism and ADHD, but othereise the same experience as you guys. Intellectually gifted. Athletically gifted. Aesthetically gifted. Completely dysfunctional.
I hope do a French TedX on the same subject ;-)
Thanks
Please do
Je la regarderai avec plaisir ! :)
My friend killed himself. He had an iq of 141 for pattern recognition. He had dyslexia and dyscalculia. He was a genius.
Man...I have only dyslexia and I tried to kill myself in 2 days 11 times, just because I couldn't understand quantitative reasoning of words in math questions.
Here's the neurons difference he was talking about, for educational purposes: 100 trilions; 100000000000000, and 1^74; 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000. Damn.
Having adhd can have some very strong advantages, to how new things and experiences are received.
And it can also have some horrible sides to it..
Video starts at 4 mins
Thank you🙌🏾
Starts at 4:00
My whole family including myself are “twice exceptional”. My grandmother was a genius 180 IQ measured. My father has around 150-160 I have around 140-150. However with Autism in the mix it’s quite hard. Life in general. Most of the time people treat me as a six year old even into adulthood; because my EQ is around 70. So, yeah.. IQ is overrated I think.
Is 2e another term for the neuro-atypical spectrum?
I believe that 2e (twice exceptionality) is the intersected area of sets a) neuroatypical spectrum and b) the gifted spectrum (which, as far as I know, is not - always - constituted by neuroatypical individuals). :-)
Well…yes. But also no.
You can be “neurodivergent” and not 2E. A person with dyslexia is neurodivergent, but not 2E. A person with ADHD is not 2E. Same for ASD, OCD, etc.
Think of it this way: all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All 2E people are neurodivergent, but not all neurodivergent people are 2E.
Being 2E generally means that you are gifted in one (or more) of several distinct categories. This often correlates with IQ scores that are substantially above average (130 or higher) - though as mentioned in the talk, if someone picks up a guitar and instantly knows how to play it, they are probably gifted, even if it does not show on IQ tests. Unfortunately people conflate giftedness with “talented,” “skilled,” “smart,” and “gets good grades.” There can be overlap, but I would argue that often high-achieving students are not “gifted” - they are talented, smart, and have a high degree of motivation.
2E means that you also have a “counterbalance” to your gifts. Sure, maybe you have a 158 IQ, qualifying you as a “genius” by most standards. Great. Problem is, you might have terrible dyslexia. You might be unable to memorize multiplication tables and internalize that something is wrong with you - maybe you take your own life because of it. 2E individuals are set up to fall short of their own high expectations (as well as the high expectations of those who simply look at the IQ score), and this is why they are a very “vulnerable” population. Immensely gifted, yes. But equally lonely, confused, and in need of help to realize their potential. They move through the world just a little differently.
The challenge is that their gifts often mask their struggles. They may be able to “think” their way past the typical symptoms of ADHD through above-average self-awareness. They may be so smart that they can afford to manage time poorly and write a five page paper in two hours. That may still get them an A. Until it doesn’t, and then you implode. Conversely, a person may have their giftedness masked by a degree of autism or dyslexia. They may be a superb writer, but cannot actually write. A superb public speaker with crippling social anxiety that keeps them from ever trying.
I hope this makes sense!
To me it’s pretty clear that 2e is autism combined with ADHD. This is from lived experience.
Y'all came for me over the spelling😂
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Numbers have sizes
You're not a "little OCD" because OCD is not an adjective is a serious disorder.
It appears his hat is mathematically incorrect. If one is twice exceptional, then would it be 2e, or maybe e squared, but not what is on that hat.