2022 Playoffs 23ppg 7rpg 3.5apg 1.1spg 3TO 47%FG 37 3PT% 2023 Playoffs 22.7ppg 5.6rpg 3.4apg 1.1spg 3.3TO 49%FG 35 3PT% Yeah buddy he had a terrible series vs the Heat but he still finished with less turnovers than Tatum and Tatum was way more inconsistent these playoffs
I like Wildes's point about Jaylen always taking the blame. I think Mazzula also gets his fair share of blame as well and I do think Tatum is awesome but it's odd how he always seems to sidestep the blame. Last year I thought Brown was clearly better in the finals and Tatum was the biggest reason they lost but like Wildes says, it always feels like the day after the story is why didn't Jaylen play better.
You’re right and it’s ridiculous.. Jaylen is considered by media and by fans to be the 2nd best player, but receives more criticism than Tatum. Tatum is great, but if you are the leader and best player you should take the most blame every time your team loses.
I agree with Wildes that Brown has become the Westbrook to Tatums Durant, he tends to shoulder most of the blame. I keep hearing about Browns bad handle and yet Tatum had more turnovers in the series than Brown. I would want to leave if i was Brown too. If I'm going to get blamed like I'm the number 1 guy then I want to go to a team where i'm the number one guy. I really like the KAT Jaylen trade, I think that would benefit both teams in theory. A Dame and Jaylen trade would also be really good. Im intrigued by Jaylen and Ja but I dont think Memphis gets better from that trade. Ja still hasn't reached his ceiling but Jaylen is close to his.
KAT is not a good fit for the C's injury prone, no defense, cant even rebound like a real big. Now i do think that Tatum gets a pass bc even if he is not making shots, he can defend at a higher level, with JB, you dont know what you're gonna get, might have a 1st qt with 15 pts and then just score 6 more points or he may defend great during first half and then the next one, Duncan Robison will look like Steph Curry. I love JB but needs more consistency
A very different dynamic to Russ and KD. Brown and Tatum don’t get in each other’s way, and Tatum dominates the ball more. Russ had a far superior and efficient player beside him and thought he was as good as him.
Michael Jordan won his first chip at 28. Neither Tatum or Brown are even 27 yet. They ALWAYS make it to the ECF despite everybody saying they’re apparently a bad fit. People need to relax lol
This is why I fw Wildes man , Tatum needs superstar blame since y’all wanna give em that badge so quick . JB always Carries but the one time he don’t he the blame smh
Tatum gets the blame for everything Wtf are y’all talking about? JB always Carrie’s what exactly? Tatum averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks in literally every playoff run these two have been together. We lost games 1 and 2 cuz of JB and everyone blamed Tatum for not scoring in the 4th like JB didn’t go 10/21 with 6 TOs in game 1 and then 7/23 with 4 TOs in game 2 and went 8/23 with 8 TOs in game 7. Yall literally say anything
@@alturay5505 lol you’re wrong and u have to watch the game too , numbers don’t tell the whole story. Jb has carried a number of times when tat was struggling , over the years not jus this playoffs . He is a number 2 so he shouldn’t be gettin blame like a number 1 because your number 1 is off and on and ain’t mentally tough. The young man not ready yet 💯
@@alturay5505 And last year it was Tatum turning the ball over in the Finals. The problem is Tatum and Brown are both #2 guys, neither of them are #1 options. You need an alpha dog on the team. Trade Brown for Lillard and he can be your leader.
kevin wildes with the valid point once again! everyone blaming brown bc of his turnovers in g7...did ppl forget that they lost g1/g2 in large part bc tatum had more turnovers than field goals made in the 4th quarters of those games? but somehow he avoids all the blame for being outplayed by jimmy butler. he's the number 1 guy! he's the 'superstar!' he should be getting blamed more than brown
Can't compare game 1 to a game 7, brown folded under pressure Miami should have never been up 3-0 and when boston had a chance to overcome brown ruined it
@@couldntcareless2602 you guys are delusional he’s literally the 3rd best scorer in the league and he’s not slowing down until he is 36-37. If you dame we want Jaylen Marcus Smart and multiple first round picks. We’re getting more then what Rudy got.
To Wildes’ point, the treatment of Brown this year feels like Brunson last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown had a season like Brunson’s if he got traded this offseason.
The media is making two consecutive trips to the ECF a bad thing. They could have won the Finals last year. They are that talented. It's just that they need a veteran to guide and push their buttons at the right time. Any major changes at this point might make them worse.
@@MRHIMDOWNSTAIRS12 Yes they need someone who can get them in their offensive sets,play a little D and hit an open 3 or two each game and that would do wonders for that team.
Chris is right. Celtics have no playmakers. Tatum had been our primary playmaker throughout the playoffs and as soon as he rolled his ankle yesterday the game was over. The first 7 to 8 possession Tatum wasn’t getting the ball and the offense looked horrendous
Exactly but you got clowns in the comment section putting a 100% of the blame on Tatum and not blaming nobody else. The truth is Marcus Smart is trash and his defense is overrated , JB played his worst series of his career and is still not a good passer and he doesn’t have no court vision, Brogdon was hurt, Al Horford is old and Joe Mazzulla is a clown who thinks he’s the smartest coach in the world. Everybody deserves blame
@@brandonohara4122 we have one, he just couldn’t play cause his hand was broken or sprained or something. Brogdan literally won 6th man of the year and couldn’t play more than 5 minutes
They're 25 and 26 and with a lucky bounce or two theyd already have a title, and they'll get that bounce eventually if they keep putting themselves in it which theyve proven they'll do eavery year with this team, this is a crazy take to me
@@newrecruit100 why any real Celtic fan knows JT doesn't miss games so if he's not playing it's serious. Im killing more for playing injured and hurting the team. Joe should of pulled him I blame him more than JT he definitely shouldn't of played 44 min while Malcolm just sat on the bench. Maybe his shot wasn't falling with the arm sprain but he could still dribble and pass and the Celtic could of used some of that last night
No why would you sit your only offensive initiator on the bench??? You lost brogdon and now you want to sit Tatum as well??? Our offense would have scored less than 84 points if you did that. Whenever Tatum was off the floor, did you ever care to notice how miserable the ball movement was getting. Luckily derrick white was doing some of that or it would have been terrible.
@@TheRealMRGG85 yeah that’s not how it works. Maybe a few Celtics fans would’ve rather he sat but you’d be in minority. He would’ve been called soft by the majority.
What the Celtics actually need is to sign a veteran TRUE point guard! Take ball handling responsibilities away from Brown and Tatum. Honestly, I think Rajon Rondo would be a perfect fit.
Tatum shoots tour dates all season and the Celtics win games because of Jaylen Brown covering up Tatum’s poor shot selection and turnovers. Brown SIGNIFICANTLY outplayed Tatum in last year’s finals. Why is Tatum guaranteed a max contract next offseason and Brown is fighting for his life?
Brown hasn’t shot the ball well either. Brown has more turnovers this post season with way less assist. It like y’all purposefully lie and stick with it.
JB had a terrible game yesterday. He deserves criticism for that performance, and he needs to get better. He also DESERVES a max contract, and the team needs to find a better way to utilize both their skills TOGETHER.
ANOTHER correct take! we see players have bad games all the time. they get criticized, but if they're generally good, they get paid! he made all-nba! what are these conversations ppl are having lol. he definitely needs to improve (like almost every player in the league) and he has clear deficiencies, but he's also very good!
Jaylen brown is supposed to be 1B to Tatums 1A. That’s why he gets a lot of blame. I think they both didn’t do enough to win this series because if they won a single match be of those first 3 games, we’d be talking about the Celtics in the finals right now. But brown was so off and seemed like he didn’t want any to be there while in the court and in the locker room when they’d do a breakdown and be chanting something he’s be in lala land looking at the ground. Dudes not the answer for Boston, trade him where he can be the main guy like her wants but doesn’t deserve and get a guy like dame or get a couple players at like tyrese maxeys level or so, maybe even go trade him for Mikal bridges and spencer dinwidie and nets can throw in claxton or cam Thomas and a pick. There’s so many options, just get rid of him tho.
Everyone blaming Brown or tatum for their turnovers... how about get a proper point guard to run the offence. Its not rocket science . Stop trying to make everyone a point foward. Just because hes your best player doesnt mean he should be bringing the ball up .
I hope they do get rid of Jalen. Ijs. The rest of the league will rejoice to see the Celtics fall in the standings. Those men are proverbial challengers for a chip! So, please trade that man. I hate that team!!!
Tatum and Brown should work on their off ball movement and not on dribbling. Dribbling is fine when you are against a big guy who can't guard you, but against guys who have long reach and are smaller, they poke at that. If they played PG most of their career, it is a must to have handles. Look at pritchard or other PGs. Their biggest error was trading Rozier. He was a PG. They got nothing out ofKyre.
yeah good advice. but FIRST you pay me 300 million guaranteed, THEN i will start working on my "off ball movement " but why dont you work on it first and THEN we pay you???? duh.
Celtics need a post player and a true point guard. All them threes was painful to watch. I think Golden State changed the league for a while but we getting back to true point and a dominant post player ala Denver Nuggets... Brown def needs to go..
Exactly Idk what that clown was talking about all you have to do is check any post involving the Celtics all over social media and even RUclips and you will see JT gets way more blame and hate than JB
@@wayno115 Not only that....but if what he contends is true...why would you pay max money to a guy who says "The no. 1 option on the team needs to get better, not me." What kind of goofy, loser mentality would that be.
Wildes is right! Jaylen is taking more blame then he should. Many a day, he’s saved this team and people forget it! He’s not perfect but there Are many high salary players that aren’t as good as him! How are we counting his money now??
I feel like I'm losing my mind hearing Wildes say JB always shoulders the blame and that Tatum doesn't, and to top it off there are mfs AGREEING vehemently in the comments...tf are we talking about lol
Did y’all forget he was their best player in the finals last year and has been dealing with a hand injury during the playoffs like cmon now y’all overreact at everything.
@@zj4008 He had over 70 turnovers last year in the playoffs. Was that his hand injury too?! I think he just has a bad handle and is careless with the ball
I like the KAT for Jaylen for both teams. How about to the Raptors? Sign and trade for Pascal Siakam and Van Fleet. Give up some picks and another player (white or Brogdon?)? Also Erik Spoelstra deserves hall of fame for what's he done with and without Lebron.
Jaylen Brown for AD. Brown is less injury prone which helps LA and can usher in a post-LeBron era. AD gives the Celtics a higher upside. Sneaky side note, it saves LA enough money that going after Kyrie is more feasible. So you’re essentially trading AD for Brown AND Kyrie
BACK TAKE WILDES. MURRAY'S A 2ND GUY AND WILL DROP 50 ON YOUR HEAD LIKE A SMOOTH CRIMINAL. DON'T GIVE BROWN A PASS. STEP UP IT'S YOUR TIME TO SHOW "HEY, I CAN BE A #1"🤷🏾♂️
Trade for Trae Young. Fixes your playmaking instantly and Smart can go back to playing SG to hide Traes defense. Brogdon and White off the bench would be tremendous.
Literally the entire narrative in Boston for years is that it can’t be Tatum’s fault. How many times this guy gotta show you who he really is when the lights are brightest before y’all finally believe him? 4 coaches in 4 years. A roster rotating around him. Now his number 2 didn’t have a lifetime performance to pull off the first 3-0 comeback in history n the narrative somehow ends up being Brown isn’t good enough, Mizzoula isn’t good enough, Tatum’s playoff body like Harden honestly smh.
Jalen brown should watch jimmy butler game play and just play like him. They both can't shoot 3s well both don't have good handles but both are very strong, athletic and have great finishing and mid range game paired with great defense. Jalen brown plays like curry instead of playing like butler
Tatum gets a pass for being hurt. Embiid didnt get a pass. All of these new bandwagon Joker fans killed Embiid for a sloppy game seven while he was wearing a brace. Embiid literally missed games against Boston because of the injury but everyone just destroyed him for having a bad game.
I don’t know where wildes get that from. Just following these comments during the playoffs I see way more blame on Tatum. People were regularly calling brown the better player….plus if brown is about to be a 290 + million dollar man he should be getting a good amount of blame.
Anytime I listen to this guy Nick I realize he lives in a fantasy world 😂 yes Jaylen Brown is upset he can get an extra 50 Mil potentially! Like what 🤣 saying anything for clicks
He must really want out of there. I don't think people understand that an extra $50m does not drastically change their lives unless it's an ego thing. If you make $200m there's not a lot that you can't afford that a guy making $275 can
Tatum, brown, and smart are all overrated. I’m not saying they aren’t stars, they are. But they are overrated. GS exposed them last year. At what point last year during the finals or since then has smart looked like the best defender in the league??? I’ll wait. Tatum doesn’t show up often enough, and neither does brown. They both turn the ball over like its mandatory…. They are great pieces but I don’t see any of them as a superstar on the level of Luka, Jokic, giannes, curry… the list goes on. They aren’t any where near that level
Not a Celtics fan but everybody seems to forget all the coaching shitstorm they had to deal with before even starting the regular season and to have the substitute coach,with 0 NBA coaching, taking this team to the conference finals against one of the finest playoffs coach is an overachievement in my book.. The Celtics need to improve their adjustments skills, that's the coach job, especially with such a young team.
Trade these two overrated called stars. U can't win with these chokers. Glorified role players, they have great numbers bcoz they are just hogging tje ball
Boston 3 first round picks starting, Miami 4 undrafted players 🤔 people who have to work for what they have are more appreciative than those who expect to be given everything they want..
Angel Reese dribbles better than Jaylen Brown with a fresh nail set, but Tatum was stinking it up all series before he rolled his ankle. These guys are the victims of inconsistent coaching, but also their own inconsistent play. Horford's window has passed.
The Celtics would be brain dead to give Brown a 300 million dollar 5 year contract! 😭 Let me help you guys... 1) Tatum and Brown were terrible 2) Unecessary Turnovers 3) Live by the 3, Die by the 3 4) Not taking advantage of your home court PLUS BROWN SHOULD'VE BEEN BETTER AFTER TATUM WAS HOBBLED BUT HE CRUMBLED UNDER THE PRESSURE! 🥱 PS. SPOELSTRA IS HELLUVA COACH! 😎
also, the mazzulla firing conversation is so silly to me. they got the 2 seed, made the conference finals, didn't let go of the rope when down 0-3, and this is with a stripped down coaching staff and being thrust into a situation no one was prepared for. this team has underachieved under 3 different coaches, i don't think coaching is the #1 issue. i DO agree that he needs his staff beefed up, that's fine, you ever take a look at steve kerr's benches since he started coaching the warriors?
Why would my Grizz want to give up a point guard that can dribble for a guy who can't? Also Ja Morant we'll get past his young guy faze, and be one of the best players in the league
Completely agree with wildes in this section. Why is brown getting all the blame and no blame tatum? Brown is supposed to be the sidekick only to tatum! The ankle is a handy excuse. Tatum was a no show as well in games 1 to 3 with a completely fine ankle.
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The Celtics problem is Marcus Smart. They need a real point guard
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Jaylen Brown dribbles like he wears nail extensions
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Jayson Tatum dribbles like it’s an over blown up YMCA ball
Tryin too hard
He is from Atlanta originally.
Brown has KILLED us with his dribbling the past 2 playoffs. If we keep him he has to get better at dribbling. It's painful to watch.
And yet for the series Tatum had more turnovers
2022 Playoffs
23ppg 7rpg 3.5apg 1.1spg 3TO
47%FG 37 3PT%
2023 Playoffs
22.7ppg 5.6rpg 3.4apg 1.1spg 3.3TO
49%FG 35 3PT%
Yeah buddy he had a terrible series vs the Heat but he still finished with less turnovers than Tatum and Tatum was way more inconsistent these playoffs
Julius randle for brown we would love him in ny
@@peterjohnson7662 no one in their right mind would trade for Randle LOL
@@iitsbigboat Tatum been better since his rookie yr
I like Wildes's point about Jaylen always taking the blame. I think Mazzula also gets his fair share of blame as well and I do think Tatum is awesome but it's odd how he always seems to sidestep the blame. Last year I thought Brown was clearly better in the finals and Tatum was the biggest reason they lost but like Wildes says, it always feels like the day after the story is why didn't Jaylen play better.
WILDES WAS SPITTIN
The story in the finals was absolutely Tatum he got the most blame for sure
You’re right and it’s ridiculous.. Jaylen is considered by media and by fans to be the 2nd best player, but receives more criticism than Tatum.
Tatum is great, but if you are the leader and best player you should take the most blame every time your team loses.
Tatum got all the blame last year especially over his turnovers and hes gettin plenty of the blame this year, so what are you talking about
What? When you have more turnovers than the rest of your team combined, how can the blame be pointed at anyone else?
I agree with Wildes that Brown has become the Westbrook to Tatums Durant, he tends to shoulder most of the blame. I keep hearing about Browns bad handle and yet Tatum had more turnovers in the series than Brown. I would want to leave if i was Brown too. If I'm going to get blamed like I'm the number 1 guy then I want to go to a team where i'm the number one guy.
I really like the KAT Jaylen trade, I think that would benefit both teams in theory. A Dame and Jaylen trade would also be really good. Im intrigued by Jaylen and Ja but I dont think Memphis gets better from that trade. Ja still hasn't reached his ceiling but Jaylen is close to his.
Tatum got all the blame this whole series and last series. It was just in this game 7, brown was absolutely garbage. Cannot deny that.
KAT is not a good fit for the C's injury prone, no defense, cant even rebound like a real big. Now i do think that Tatum gets a pass bc even if he is not making shots, he can defend at a higher level, with JB, you dont know what you're gonna get, might have a 1st qt with 15 pts and then just score 6 more points or he may defend great during first half and then the next one, Duncan Robison will look like Steph Curry. I love JB but needs more consistency
A very different dynamic to Russ and KD. Brown and Tatum don’t get in each other’s way, and Tatum dominates the ball more. Russ had a far superior and efficient player beside him and thought he was as good as him.
Nobody was blaming Jaylen Brown after last years finals
Great parallel
Michael Jordan won his first chip at 28. Neither Tatum or Brown are even 27 yet. They ALWAYS make it to the ECF despite everybody saying they’re apparently a bad fit. People need to relax lol
This is why I fw Wildes man , Tatum needs superstar blame since y’all wanna give em that badge so quick . JB always Carries but the one time he don’t he the blame smh
What has he carried?? 😂😂 Even with the turnovers JT had better numbers.
Tatum gets the blame for everything Wtf are y’all talking about? JB always Carrie’s what exactly? Tatum averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks in literally every playoff run these two have been together. We lost games 1 and 2 cuz of JB and everyone blamed Tatum for not scoring in the 4th like JB didn’t go 10/21 with 6 TOs in game 1 and then 7/23 with 4 TOs in game 2 and went 8/23 with 8 TOs in game 7. Yall literally say anything
@@alturay5505 lol you’re wrong and u have to watch the game too , numbers don’t tell the whole story. Jb has carried a number of times when tat was struggling , over the years not jus this playoffs . He is a number 2 so he shouldn’t be gettin blame like a number 1 because your number 1 is off and on and ain’t mentally tough. The young man not ready yet 💯
@@mr.castle numbers don’t tell the whole story , I can tell y’all are casuals 🤣🤣🤣
@@alturay5505 And last year it was Tatum turning the ball over in the Finals. The problem is Tatum and Brown are both #2 guys, neither of them are #1 options. You need an alpha dog on the team. Trade Brown for Lillard and he can be your leader.
Wiles is absolutely right. Jason Tatum never gets blamed for his foul shopping and absence of a midrange game.
Jaylen brown got outplayed by caleb Martin LMFAOOOOOOO
how he finna say Kobe was his Idol and his midrange was mid
kevin wildes with the valid point once again! everyone blaming brown bc of his turnovers in g7...did ppl forget that they lost g1/g2 in large part bc tatum had more turnovers than field goals made in the 4th quarters of those games? but somehow he avoids all the blame for being outplayed by jimmy butler. he's the number 1 guy! he's the 'superstar!' he should be getting blamed more than brown
Can't compare game 1 to a game 7, brown folded under pressure Miami should have never been up 3-0 and when boston had a chance to overcome brown ruined it
@@byanasim1026 tatum literally gave away games 1 and 2 with turnovers, i can't believe you are still defending him lol
LMBO why doesnt dame want to come on the show? Wildds " cause he doesn't want to leave Portland " Lol.
The lillard part had me dead 😂😂😂
It’s perfect!! Would love to trade Brown for Lilliard
@@couldntcareless2602 why Dame is 33 years old? I want way more
@@couldntcareless2602 yeah that would absolutely never happen tho😂😂😂
@@franjes9999 you’re right , would need more than just Dame
@@couldntcareless2602 you guys are delusional he’s literally the 3rd best scorer in the league and he’s not slowing down until he is 36-37. If you dame we want Jaylen Marcus Smart and multiple first round picks. We’re getting more then what Rudy got.
6:24 I think we're all feeling the exasperation of Lillard in Portland lol 😂 Wildes is the peoples host!
Why does ANYONE want Jaylen Brown? Brotha can’t dribble
Wildes the best on TV right now!
You know who Boston needs?
Jimmy Butler! 😂
💯 facts. Jimmy + Tatum = chip
To Wildes’ point, the treatment of Brown this year feels like Brunson last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown had a season like Brunson’s if he got traded this offseason.
The media is making two consecutive trips to the ECF a bad thing. They could have won the Finals last year. They are that talented. It's just that they need a veteran to guide and push their buttons at the right time. Any major changes at this point might make them worse.
The Celtics need a real true point guard. That is their main issue imo
Ironically a rondo type of player would fit great
@@MRHIMDOWNSTAIRS12 Yes they need someone who can get them in their offensive sets,play a little D and hit an open 3 or two each game and that would do wonders for that team.
They need to develop Robert Williams
Chris is right. Celtics have no playmakers. Tatum had been our primary playmaker throughout the playoffs and as soon as he rolled his ankle yesterday the game was over. The first 7 to 8 possession Tatum wasn’t getting the ball and the offense looked horrendous
Exactly but you got clowns in the comment section putting a 100% of the blame on Tatum and not blaming nobody else. The truth is Marcus Smart is trash and his defense is overrated , JB played his worst series of his career and is still not a good passer and he doesn’t have no court vision, Brogdon was hurt, Al Horford is old and Joe Mazzulla is a clown who thinks he’s the smartest coach in the world. Everybody deserves blame
Yall need a REAL old-school PG. End of story
@@wayno115 smart is incredibly inconsistent and hurt y'all last season
@@brandonohara4122 we have one, he just couldn’t play cause his hand was broken or sprained or something. Brogdan literally won 6th man of the year and couldn’t play more than 5 minutes
Imagine this team with a Rajon Rondo type PG
It’s stupid how much better this show is than every other sports show on TV. The laughs from off camera are my new favorite part. 😂
Facts bro hearing those laughs makes it so much better
It's 2nd best after The Chuck Shaq Ernie and Kenny show
They're 25 and 26 and with a lucky bounce or two theyd already have a title, and they'll get that bounce eventually if they keep putting themselves in it which theyve proven they'll do eavery year with this team, this is a crazy take to me
Brown gotta leave hes playing like he doesn’t want to be there
He kept forcing contested shots instead of throwing it to more open Guys
Amen I like brown he does not want be celtics go hawks
Stop giving JT a injury pass if you're injured get off the floor. He was just hurting the team.
And y’all would’ve killed him if he went off the floor in a game 7. Stop it
@@newrecruit100 why any real Celtic fan knows JT doesn't miss games so if he's not playing it's serious. Im killing more for playing injured and hurting the team. Joe should of pulled him I blame him more than JT he definitely shouldn't of played 44 min while Malcolm just sat on the bench. Maybe his shot wasn't falling with the arm sprain but he could still dribble and pass and the Celtic could of used some of that last night
Like sit him for 10 mins at least. Get some ice, wrap it up
No why would you sit your only offensive initiator on the bench??? You lost brogdon and now you want to sit Tatum as well??? Our offense would have scored less than 84 points if you did that. Whenever Tatum was off the floor, did you ever care to notice how miserable the ball movement was getting. Luckily derrick white was doing some of that or it would have been terrible.
@@TheRealMRGG85 yeah that’s not how it works. Maybe a few Celtics fans would’ve rather he sat but you’d be in minority. He would’ve been called soft by the majority.
Wildes and Nick are spot on this take
How many episodes is Brou gonna say he’s gonna follow Wildes after the show?😂😂😂😂😂
Trope been funny asl for like 3 weeks now😂😂😂
Brou actually does follow him on Twitter and has at least since about 2 weeks ago when I first checked. Bit still hilarious tho
he does follow him, idk why they keep acting like he doesnt
What the Celtics actually need is to sign a veteran TRUE point guard! Take ball handling responsibilities away from Brown and Tatum. Honestly, I think Rajon Rondo would be a perfect fit.
i'm thinking kyrie
@@genaldgalicia5834 Kyrie left because he wanted to be the guy. he wouldn't go back to be number two let alone number 3. Plus salary cap.
Y’all forgetting bro was playing with a hand injury
it's crazy, since he wasn't wincing on every possession like tatum, ppl forgot he was playing with a hand injury
Celtics upgrade their roaster this year but heavily downgrade the coaching side they deserved the L
Tatum shoots tour dates all season and the Celtics win games because of Jaylen Brown covering up Tatum’s poor shot selection and turnovers. Brown SIGNIFICANTLY outplayed Tatum in last year’s finals. Why is Tatum guaranteed a max contract next offseason and Brown is fighting for his life?
Tatums lightskin in Boston. Closest they gettin to white hope
@@StockUpStudios Exactly
Caleb Martin averaged more points that jaylen brown in the series and you got the audacity to talk about Tatum LMFAOOOOO CLOWN
Brown hasn’t shot the ball well either. Brown has more turnovers this post season with way less assist. It like y’all purposefully lie and stick with it.
Because tatum is waaay better. Have you even watched the playoffs? They are double teaming tatum not brown fora reason.
JB had a terrible game yesterday. He deserves criticism for that performance, and he needs to get better.
He also DESERVES a max contract, and the team needs to find a better way to utilize both their skills TOGETHER.
ANOTHER correct take! we see players have bad games all the time. they get criticized, but if they're generally good, they get paid! he made all-nba! what are these conversations ppl are having lol. he definitely needs to improve (like almost every player in the league) and he has clear deficiencies, but he's also very good!
Wildes would trade Tatum for a bag of chips and a soda😂😂
Tatum had 26 turnovers in the Miami series and Brown had 25.
Tatum handles are just as bad or worse as Brown, he got picked at half court for wide open layups multiple times.
What game are u watching ?
@@du2thurl42 Same game as everyone else; get off his nutsack fanboy.
@@du2thurl42 the actual games. He turns it over a lot as well.
@@addster124due to passes. I’ve seen Jaylen brown literally dribble the ball off his own feet. Not a defender picking him off his own feet.
I don't watch Celtics game...honest question..is the talent/production gap between Tatum and Brown sufficient to classify them as 1 and 2?
Jaylen brown is supposed to be 1B to Tatums 1A. That’s why he gets a lot of blame. I think they both didn’t do enough to win this series because if they won a single match be of those first 3 games, we’d be talking about the Celtics in the finals right now. But brown was so off and seemed like he didn’t want any to be there while in the court and in the locker room when they’d do a breakdown and be chanting something he’s be in lala land looking at the ground. Dudes not the answer for Boston, trade him where he can be the main guy like her wants but doesn’t deserve and get a guy like dame or get a couple players at like tyrese maxeys level or so, maybe even go trade him for Mikal bridges and spencer dinwidie and nets can throw in claxton or cam Thomas and a pick. There’s so many options, just get rid of him tho.
Wildes Damian Lillard rant is HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
Everyone blaming Brown or tatum for their turnovers... how about get a proper point guard to run the offence. Its not rocket science . Stop trying to make everyone a point foward. Just because hes your best player doesnt mean he should be bringing the ball up .
Wildes definitely rt on this one
I hope they do get rid of Jalen. Ijs. The rest of the league will rejoice to see the Celtics fall in the standings. Those men are proverbial challengers for a chip! So, please trade that man. I hate that team!!!
Wiles - COZ HE DOESNT WANT TO LEAVE PORTLAND !!!!!!
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Gotta love the end of a team's season where NIck switches from cherry picking stats to having mind reading powers.
You fire a coach when he loses the locker room. The Celtics clawed all the way back to force a game 7. Bring him back
I hate the way the media holds these teams hostage in present day nba. Imagine if they broke up gs five years in because they hadn't won yet..
If you actually think Tatum doesn’t get any blame you clearly don’t pay attention to Boston.
Tatum and Brown should work on their off ball movement and not on dribbling. Dribbling is fine when you are against a big guy who can't guard you, but against guys who have long reach and are smaller, they poke at that. If they played PG most of their career, it is a must to have handles. Look at pritchard or other PGs. Their biggest error was trading Rozier. He was a PG. They got nothing out ofKyre.
yeah good advice. but FIRST you pay me 300 million guaranteed, THEN i will start working on my "off ball movement "
but why dont you work on it first and THEN we pay you????
duh.
Celtics need a post player and a true point guard. All them threes was painful to watch. I think Golden State changed the league for a while but we getting back to true point and a dominant post player ala Denver Nuggets... Brown def needs to go..
Jaylen and a pick for Dame and sign Brook Lopez. Tell Big Al to kick rocks.
Unpopular opinion I think brogdon isn’t the right fit we really need another scoring big
Wildes is absolutely spot on. Tatum consistently comes up short and Brown is blamed for it.
FYI Tatum had more TOs in the series than Brown and thats with Browns 8 TOs in GM7
Jaylen doesn’t want to be there I hope he gives that money up and goes to Portland with Dame.
Tatum was playing like garbage but media let him slide
You know who would be good for the Celtics?? Kyrie Irving. A shame he burned that bridge
Thank you! Tatum is treated like a delicate lil boy by the media and I have yet to understand why he’s THAT special
Tatum undeniably needs to get better. Get a low post game. Cmon now. He's regressed.
WILDES is tripping. Tatum always gets the blame
Exactly Idk what that clown was talking about all you have to do is check any post involving the Celtics all over social media and even RUclips and you will see JT gets way more blame and hate than JB
@@wayno115 Not only that....but if what he contends is true...why would you pay max money to a guy who says "The no. 1 option on the team needs to get better, not me." What kind of goofy, loser mentality would that be.
We’ll take jb on the pistons please and thank you
Wildes is right! Jaylen is taking more blame then he should. Many a day, he’s saved this team and people forget it! He’s not perfect but there
Are many high salary players that aren’t as good as him! How are we counting his money now??
Well this didn’t age well…
Just saying, if he really reached out to Dame to come on the show and do a bit, Dame really made a mistake by not taking it.
Why would the celtics trade a 2nd team all-nba thats just stupid, and cant take anybody serious if there saying that its crazy talk.
Just wondering... if they'd won the Heat series is this a conversation?
3:52 here wildes 🏆 thank you!
What about Jordan poole and Andrew Wiggins for Jalen brown
I feel like I'm losing my mind hearing Wildes say JB always shoulders the blame and that Tatum doesn't, and to top it off there are mfs AGREEING vehemently in the comments...tf are we talking about lol
Jaylen Brown got a handle like Shaq.... guy is also invisible in big moments i wouldnt pay him
Did y’all forget he was their best player in the finals last year and has been dealing with a hand injury during the playoffs like cmon now y’all overreact at everything.
@@zj4008 He had over 70 turnovers last year in the playoffs. Was that his hand injury too?! I think he just has a bad handle and is careless with the ball
8:37 😂😂 Chris said “he’s behind the bench” 🤣🤣 I didn’t even know that there was a second row for teams 🤷♂️
That Karl Anthony Towns trade for Jaylen Brown makes sense
Nahh I disagree Towns is soft af and has no heart. If the Celtics ever trade JB for him they’re never winning a championship
That’s not what they need at all
Great trade for Celtics:
Nets get - J.Brown, G. Williams and Pritchard.
Celtics get - Bridges and Cam Johnson.
Everyone wins.
Jaylen brown will be a laker
Watching this in 2024 thinking of Kool Moe Dee’s HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW.
I like the KAT for Jaylen for both teams. How about to the Raptors? Sign and trade for Pascal Siakam and Van Fleet. Give up some picks and another player (white or Brogdon?)? Also Erik Spoelstra deserves hall of fame for what's he done with and without Lebron.
Trade Tatum bring in Lillard… add another big man… keep Jaylen, Mazzula, White, Smart, Horford and both Williams… oh don’t release Hauser…
Brown is worth 5 for 195 not 295
u could sign six denis schroders for the price of one brown
Jaylen Brown for AD. Brown is less injury prone which helps LA and can usher in a post-LeBron era. AD gives the Celtics a higher upside. Sneaky side note, it saves LA enough money that going after Kyrie is more feasible. So you’re essentially trading AD for Brown AND Kyrie
BACK TAKE WILDES. MURRAY'S A 2ND GUY AND WILL DROP 50 ON YOUR HEAD LIKE A SMOOTH CRIMINAL. DON'T GIVE BROWN A PASS. STEP UP IT'S YOUR TIME TO SHOW "HEY, I CAN BE A #1"🤷🏾♂️
Of all ppl we can think of trading to Boston Massachusetts to play for the Boston Celtics….
Lets suggest Ja Morant….
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Jason LT on Hoops Tonight said that, most importantly, JT needs to get better.
Trade for Trae Young. Fixes your playmaking instantly and Smart can go back to playing SG to hide Traes defense. Brogdon and White off the bench would be tremendous.
they were both awful in the playoffs but great friends looking for max money. If Brown is worth 200 million...caleb martin is worth 400 million
Literally the entire narrative in Boston for years is that it can’t be Tatum’s fault. How many times this guy gotta show you who he really is when the lights are brightest before y’all finally believe him? 4 coaches in 4 years. A roster rotating around him. Now his number 2 didn’t have a lifetime performance to pull off the first 3-0 comeback in history n the narrative somehow ends up being Brown isn’t good enough, Mizzoula isn’t good enough, Tatum’s playoff body like Harden honestly smh.
why cant tatum do that CUZ THAT'S NOT HIS GAME! mj didn't pippen did...
Jalen brown should watch jimmy butler game play and just play like him. They both can't shoot 3s well both don't have good handles but both are very strong, athletic and have great finishing and mid range game paired with great defense. Jalen brown plays like curry instead of playing like butler
Why didn’t Brown just play worse during the regular season if he didn’t want to make all NBA? Dumb take
Tatum gets a pass for being hurt. Embiid didnt get a pass. All of these new bandwagon Joker fans killed Embiid for a sloppy game seven while he was wearing a brace. Embiid literally missed games against Boston because of the injury but everyone just destroyed him for having a bad game.
I don’t know where wildes get that from. Just following these comments during the playoffs I see way more blame on Tatum. People were regularly calling brown the better player….plus if brown is about to be a 290 + million dollar man he should be getting a good amount of blame.
Anytime I listen to this guy Nick I realize he lives in a fantasy world 😂 yes Jaylen Brown is upset he can get an extra 50 Mil potentially! Like what 🤣 saying anything for clicks
Those undrafted players were just pumping. Those Boston players. Bringing it to their front doorstep that's all
He must really want out of there.
I don't think people understand that an extra $50m does not drastically change their lives unless it's an ego thing. If you make $200m there's not a lot that you can't afford that a guy making $275 can
Tatum, brown, and smart are all overrated. I’m not saying they aren’t stars, they are. But they are overrated. GS exposed them last year. At what point last year during the finals or since then has smart looked like the best defender in the league??? I’ll wait. Tatum doesn’t show up often enough, and neither does brown. They both turn the ball over like its mandatory…. They are great pieces but I don’t see any of them as a superstar on the level of Luka, Jokic, giannes, curry… the list goes on. They aren’t any where near that level
Here's something.
JB to OKC for Josh Giddy, picks and whatever else that is needed.
Trade Jb for Steven Adams and Tyus Jones. Then trade Marcus and Rob for Klay Thompson.
Not a Celtics fan but everybody seems to forget all the coaching shitstorm they had to deal with before even starting the regular season and to have the substitute coach,with 0 NBA coaching, taking this team to the conference finals against one of the finest playoffs coach is an overachievement in my book..
The Celtics need to improve their adjustments skills, that's the coach job, especially with such a young team.
Trade these two overrated called stars. U can't win with these chokers. Glorified role players, they have great numbers bcoz they are just hogging tje ball
Boston 3 first round picks starting, Miami 4 undrafted players 🤔 people who have to work for what they have are more appreciative than those who expect to be given everything they want..
Angel Reese dribbles better than Jaylen Brown with a fresh nail set, but Tatum was stinking it up all series before he rolled his ankle. These guys are the victims of inconsistent coaching, but also their own inconsistent play. Horford's window has passed.
The Celtics would be brain dead to give Brown a 300 million dollar 5 year contract!
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Let me help you guys...
1) Tatum and Brown were terrible
2) Unecessary Turnovers
3) Live by the 3, Die by the 3
4) Not taking advantage of your home court
PLUS BROWN SHOULD'VE BEEN BETTER AFTER TATUM WAS HOBBLED BUT HE CRUMBLED UNDER THE PRESSURE!
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PS.
SPOELSTRA IS HELLUVA COACH!
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I love Wildes, why is everyone letting Tatum off the hook??? Tatum played bad this series also 😳 👀
also, the mazzulla firing conversation is so silly to me. they got the 2 seed, made the conference finals, didn't let go of the rope when down 0-3, and this is with a stripped down coaching staff and being thrust into a situation no one was prepared for. this team has underachieved under 3 different coaches, i don't think coaching is the #1 issue. i DO agree that he needs his staff beefed up, that's fine, you ever take a look at steve kerr's benches since he started coaching the warriors?
Why would my Grizz want to give up a point guard that can dribble for a guy who can't? Also Ja Morant we'll get past his young guy faze, and be one of the best players in the league
Celtics can give that money to brown. A whole 2 year window before brown and Tatum extensions both kick in.
Brown + Smart for Klay + Moody. Or Brown + Pritchard for J.Harden.
Completely agree with wildes in this section. Why is brown getting all the blame and no blame tatum? Brown is supposed to be the sidekick only to tatum! The ankle is a handy excuse. Tatum was a no show as well in games 1 to 3 with a completely fine ankle.