@@MadMax-09 Rasputin: [creates Felwinter] Felwinter: dies Rasputin: :( Felwinter: comes back to life as a guardian Rasputin: "so anyways I started blasting"
If ai does get to the point of sentience, we should do our best to explain and showcase how humanity got to where we are now, and hopefully said ai will develop similarly to a human child in its (much faster) learning of the value and significance of the human race and its history.
Rasputin didn't, a separated warmine who was a tyrant, that wanted felwinter back did it. In result , he send the SIVA TO ANNINILATE him and the iron lords. " this also explains why felwinter went back to Rasputin to get access to the golden tech , but got ambush by the tyrant warsat, who wanted to everything to get him back " When the warmine connect to Mars, the actual Rasputin awoken , including Clovis rey. And let to this.....
This clip explains nothing of why Rasputin supposedly created SIVA (which was in fact created by Clovis Bray, not Rasputin), or why he killed the Iron Lords.
All it really reveals is his motives for doing so. He released SIVA to kill Felwinter out of anger and then killed the iron lords when they retaliated against his plans
SIVA was created for the creation of future settlements as humanity was planning on colonizing other planets and moons. He used it kill Felwinter since he was created by Rasputin but then revived by the Traveler and he couldn't control him anymore. The Iron Lords were just there and died with him except Saladin. Also, Willa Bray created SIVA with another scientist, not Clovis.
We already knew his reasoning for killing Felwinter. Lore cards said that wayyyy long ago back in season of the worthy I believe. The last Rasputin season.
SIVA was supposed to create cities hella fast whenever humanity landed on a cool ass new planet that got that traveler special recently, but after the collapse, Rasputin saw it and said "lmao ima fuck up people wit dis >:)"
It was basically a beefed up version of what glimmer is in the lore, programmable matter. Saladin says in rise of iron it’s everything a civilization could need including food and stuff like that. The vibe I get is theoretically it could become literally anything
It wasn’t meant to be a weapon. It was meant to be ANYTHING. Anything you needed, SIVA could do. That’s why they loaded it on colony ships. It was inevitable that Willa would be approached about the military applications of SIVA.
Considering that we rebuild Rasputin with parts that evolved on their own, is he even the same Rasputin that killed the iron lords or is it similar to Crow and Uldren
Osiris is already slated for Lightfall, and the time to recast would have been this season (to wit: Ikora's recasting after her long absence), so odds are good.
Rasputin wasn’t Rasputin as a whole when the Iron Lords went to the plague lands. That version was just a fragment that made the call to kill the Iron Lords
A year later, and story stuff like this is why season of Rasputin was one of the best story wise. Truly showed how far the warmind expanded beyond his programming. I’ll always think of you when I listen to classical, especially Tchaikovsky symphony no6.
Ok. To everyone saying the title makes no sense with what's in the video; I mis-remembered who was actually responsible for the creation of SIVA, and I can't change the title on mobile. My bad. Edit: Figured out where to go to change the title. Should make more sense now.
Sounds like waayyyy too many people are just kinda 🤓🤓🤓 Keep up with the lore or not, but if someone makes a simple mistake, that doesn’t mean you need to go for the throat…
we need to remember that rasputin was litrely made by clovis and likely clovis had alot to do with some of his "insticts" and while he is civil his base self was made by clovis and the reason he is the person he is today is both due to anna helping him grow and the mistakes he made during and after the collapse and felwinters death. to use an example would be to compare him to a child raised by an abusive parent to be their tool but having gotten away due to a family member that saved them and helped them get out of that situation. He is still has his mental scars from that time likely but he is doing his best. as shown this week
Rasputin killed the Iron Lords because they wanted to take control of SIVA and his directive was to not let it fall into anyone’s hands unless they were from the Bray Corporation. Can’t fault an AI for doing what it’s told
@@Lazy-Lizard retcons are when new information conflicts with previous established continuity. They did Retcon Felwinter into being an exo framed made by Rasputin. Hell they even retconned his designed. Retcons happen all the time in stories.
Wow...he killed his son yet kept the body....thats stone cold and remorseful. I guess we can call this "when even a skynet like ai learns remorse" or something either way man....thats a bit messed up but oddly touches the heart a bit
Siva is a tech plague capable of changing matter but darkness is a massive step up compared to the darkness which is a paracasual entity. Only something of paracasual can destroy another. Siva compared to black fleet is a stepping stone
I could be completely wrong, but from what I understand, Rasputin was pissed cuz Felwinter was HIS (son). And by being revived by the Traveller, in Rasputin's eyes, Felwinter is now the Traveller's (adopted son). So cue "You're mine and since you won't come back to me... I created you, so I can end you." 💀
@@mothecodfish4926also because the light is paracausal, he was unequipped to process the individual entity of Felwinter. Similar to how the Vex cannot simulate the light. To Rasputin, Guardians were not human, and therefore fair game to destroy
next season is going to have siva 100% the siva complex can be seen from the son of saturn mission, the bright dust store all of a sudden has siva entrance effect and now siva is being mentioned by rasputin. real fishy
Idk. Next season is the Lightfall expansion. So the seasonal content might be subplot related, just like how the Season of the Risen had to do with Savathun's Hive Lightbearers And I don't yet see how Siva is related to Neptune
Maybe not next season because that’s the one alongside light fall so it’s likely going to be a subplot season but I have high hopes that we’re going to get a siva season at some point during the light fall year.
lmao no it’s not “real fishy”, siva shit has been in the eververse since d2 came out and siva has been mentioned countless of times in the past seasons
The Siva Season can be real for lightfall, let me explain: since the little bit of lore about the nanite tech of neomuna, the parallel about Siva and the nanite have been made in the exotic gun that came out with the ligthfall pack. The nanite are Siva but largely modified and enanced by the habitant of neomuna
@@altarniir1.163 so what youre saying is there could be another darkness subclass with siva? because quicksilver storm is kinda like siva and the season could happen
Yo wtf? Didn’t Rasputin also kill those other guardians from the saber strike? I don’t this Rasputin thing if it’s made by us why kill us? Someone explain lord please and how does Osiris know felwinter??? AND how is felwinter an iron lord Rasputin son????????
Don’t know the first half but I’ll tell you the rest, Osiris knows felwinter because in the old days Felwinter was the mentor of Osiris, and Felwinter’s true identity was Siddartha Golem, a special exo made by Rasputin to keep tabs on Humanity but died and became a Guardian
He did kill those Guardians, don't know why though. We didn't make him, he was made centuries ago and the only person he trusted before the season was Ana
Look up a Destiny rise of Iron playthrough, then a season of the Warmind playthrough, then watch a couple of Byf videos and everything will be clear. It all makes sense but there's too much for one RUclips comment and I don't feel like going right now
The rest of that’s understandably weirdly written. Rasputin has had different directions in the story since the get go However Felwinter was his “son” before he was resurrected as a guardian. There are videos on this out there, it’s a deep lore thing. Osiris is just old enough to have been around Felwinter- that’s all there is to that one
I still think this season horribly messes up Rasputin's lore. Like how can he say he was always on Humanity's side when he straight up murdered most of the Iron Lords who brought stability to Dark age Humanity.
Rasputin was basically brain damaged at the time. His central core on mars was buried under a self made glacier, several of his sub minds were either destroyed, damaged or isolated. Pieces of his mind were scattered across the solar system like dust on the wind. Expecting him to act and react like a human in that state seems to be asking too much in my opinion.
@@voyagerwitch I just haven't seen a justified story excuse for his character's wild changes. He went from powerful golden age AI Killing the Iron Lords to retrieve what he believed was his(a single unit by the way, the other machine frames would've sufficed). Didn't even attempt to really study or communicate with Felwinter and basically immediately labeled him as a rogue element and enemy of himself. Then in Warmind DLC he declared himself an AI machine god, and would refuse to serve or be used as a weapon. Then in Season of the Worthy became a regretful old man who wanted to right his wrongs and finally actually cooperated mutually with humanity FOR THE FIRST TIME. And now I'm Seraph when he's technically at weakest(we are still rebuilding him) he tries to ass pull that he's always been looking out for us and Humanity's best interests. Sorry man, that is super confusing character growth.
@@jacobruiter592 the "justified story excuse" is just that almost everything we knew about him from the beginning was secondhand, and we never knew got his perspective on things because he only spoke in backwards Russian. no one who told us about him had even met him whole until warmind. this is like being mad because saint-14 turned out to have an accent.
"i emotionally outburst, slaughtered my son and his crew, then got sad later and wants to be forgiven". who'd forgive him of that? really? his dead son? if possibly revived somehow? and why is Osiris so convinced, the writers themselves convinced, that Rasputin may even get it? . "we all get a bit upset sometimes Dad. Sure, you killed everyone and everything that meant something to me, and killed me as well. but no biggie. I understand you made a little mistake." I wonder if the opinions of Guardians for crimes, and even fratricide, etc, (Uldren's warcrime killing and also his murder of Cayde as an example), is so brushed off, because they're all nearly immortal. Since the plot is so easily "TADAA HES ALIVE AGAIN WEEEE", it leads me to believe that maybe, the writers start to brush it off too, while they slaver at another opportunity to quickly shoehorn in just how noble and nice the Guardian are by wishing slaughter to be forgiven by their enemies both former and current.
The sheer fact that a military AI just said shit like "He was my son" and "My reaction was emotionally driven" is both fascinating and terrifying.
Well…he created Felwinter, and then he killed him after his resurrection it’s like a twisted version of Christ and God
that's Ana's influence on him, Clovis would have left the more human influences out of his development
At this rate, with all this AI stuff being more and more popular, that might become a reality.
@@MadMax-09
Rasputin: [creates Felwinter]
Felwinter: dies
Rasputin: :(
Felwinter: comes back to life as a guardian
Rasputin: "so anyways I started blasting"
If ai does get to the point of sentience, we should do our best to explain and showcase how humanity got to where we are now, and hopefully said ai will develop similarly to a human child in its (much faster) learning of the value and significance of the human race and its history.
Rasputín didn't create the SIVA, he only used to kill Felwinter
Where does the title state he created siva?
@@haroldvazquez he changed it
@@draxinger9028 ah I see I apologize!
Rasputin didn't, a separated warmine who was a tyrant, that wanted felwinter back did it. In result , he send the SIVA TO ANNINILATE him and the iron lords. " this also explains why felwinter went back to Rasputin to get access to the golden tech , but got ambush by the tyrant warsat, who wanted to everything to get him back " When the warmine connect to Mars, the actual Rasputin awoken , including Clovis rey. And let to this.....
@@joelmagallan Rasputin is the tyrant
This clip explains nothing of why Rasputin supposedly created SIVA (which was in fact created by Clovis Bray, not Rasputin), or why he killed the Iron Lords.
All it really reveals is his motives for doing so.
He released SIVA to kill Felwinter out of anger and then killed the iron lords when they retaliated against his plans
Unless Clovis and Rasputin are now one mind and its all a trick.
SIVA was created for the creation of future settlements as humanity was planning on colonizing other planets and moons. He used it kill Felwinter since he was created by Rasputin but then revived by the Traveler and he couldn't control him anymore. The Iron Lords were just there and died with him except Saladin. Also, Willa Bray created SIVA with another scientist, not Clovis.
We already knew his reasoning for killing Felwinter. Lore cards said that wayyyy long ago back in season of the worthy I believe. The last Rasputin season.
@fissilepear7805 they were collateral. They were all in the complex with Felwinter, and as a result, they were all killed as well.
It was Willa Bray I believe who manufactured SIVA. It was never meant to be a weapon, but it got into the wrong hands.
SIVA was supposed to create cities hella fast whenever humanity landed on a cool ass new planet that got that traveler special recently, but after the collapse, Rasputin saw it and said "lmao ima fuck up people wit dis >:)"
@@eclipsewh7777 this comment is a treasure
@@eclipsewh7777 And he just basically said "Lol get rekt" when he released it upon Felwinter and the Iron Lords
It was basically a beefed up version of what glimmer is in the lore, programmable matter. Saladin says in rise of iron it’s everything a civilization could need including food and stuff like that. The vibe I get is theoretically it could become literally anything
It wasn’t meant to be a weapon.
It was meant to be ANYTHING. Anything you needed, SIVA could do. That’s why they loaded it on colony ships. It was inevitable that Willa would be approached about the military applications of SIVA.
Seeing this makes me wonder how saladin would speak to rasputin
We should find out soon if data mined stuff is to be believed
@@dablakeboy5877 where did you find that out? I wanna read it too
@@dablakeboy5877 no we won't. Datamine is not looking to good tbh.
@adeonade wasn't me, my buddy found it. I'll ask him
@shadowtear101 all the data mined stuff I was told about, has so far been mostly accurate. I'll ask my buddy where he read it and I'll link it
Personally, I don’t forgive Rasputin for killing the Iron Lords, but I trust him.
Its one of those really hard decisions to make In war
Some actions cannot be forgiven. But that doesn't mean we can't give them a second chance to prove themselves to us down the line.
Considering that we rebuild Rasputin with parts that evolved on their own, is he even the same Rasputin that killed the iron lords or is it similar to Crow and Uldren
@@Caliif it’s still the same Rasputin he just doesn’t have control over 100% of the warsat system and all the warmind vaults
I wanna say hold on to the forgiveness cause after the darkness saga it was confirmed we’ll be focusing on next story and it’ll be about SIVA
Osiris got a thing for Exos low key.
Machines don't get tired, unlike humans.
It's not low key, there's literally a cutscene of him kissing Saint
I hope Oded Fehr continues to come back to voice Osiris (and I hope Bungie doesn't kill him off)
Nah. I hope he dies off.
Osiris is already slated for Lightfall, and the time to recast would have been this season (to wit: Ikora's recasting after her long absence), so odds are good.
Rasputin wasn’t Rasputin as a whole when the Iron Lords went to the plague lands. That version was just a fragment that made the call to kill the Iron Lords
That's what we were told. In fact, he was Rasputin as a whole. He admits it in this video as well.
Damn now i wanna see rasputin talking to saladin
A year later, and story stuff like this is why season of Rasputin was one of the best story wise. Truly showed how far the warmind expanded beyond his programming. I’ll always think of you when I listen to classical, especially Tchaikovsky symphony no6.
Ok. To everyone saying the title makes no sense with what's in the video; I mis-remembered who was actually responsible for the creation of SIVA, and I can't change the title on mobile. My bad.
Edit: Figured out where to go to change the title. Should make more sense now.
lol its cool I mean its been years
Ya good man. Destiny community is always a bit, over the top.
You have had 3 days to change it, yet you havent, clickbaiter shit
Sounds like waayyyy too many people are just kinda 🤓🤓🤓
Keep up with the lore or not, but if someone makes a simple mistake, that doesn’t mean you need to go for the throat…
@@thex45l35 Um... Buddy? I corrected the title yesterday. It's been fixed.
Felwinter being an exo is probably why Osiris liked Saint.
rasputin now has the memories of felwinter integrated into himself so he can remember dying by his own hand
we need to remember that rasputin was litrely made by clovis and likely clovis had alot to do with some of his "insticts" and while he is civil his base self was made by clovis and the reason he is the person he is today is both due to anna helping him grow and the mistakes he made during and after the collapse and felwinters death.
to use an example would be to compare him to a child raised by an abusive parent to be their tool but having gotten away due to a family member that saved them and helped them get out of that situation. He is still has his mental scars from that time likely but he is doing his best. as shown this week
Rasputin is becoming best boi
Was Osiris about to cry?
Hard to say. He was certainly reliving old memories though.
It sounded more like he was suppressing his anger.
Hard Luck Harrold always looks like he is about to cry.
I love this story line
Damn. When did Rasputin go from
[Angry distorted murder Russian] to respectful generic young man?
Damn it Bungie.
When he got turned into an engram
@@xlbeanboi2653
Damn. That's rough.
I imagine he saw a lot of his failings when he attained Felwinter's memories and was humbled by them.
@@nightsregalia8641
Guy was hit so bad by his past actions that he developed an american accent.
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902 something else is that he based his new voice off of the clovis bray program that originally was housed in the frame.
Season of the Worthy says hello
Rasputin killed the Iron Lords because they wanted to take control of SIVA and his directive was to not let it fall into anyone’s hands unless they were from the Bray Corporation. Can’t fault an AI for doing what it’s told
Collateral damage
When you think about it. The iron lords were just collateral
I still think it was the Tyrant AI that did that…seeing is now we know rasputin is a group of AI’s.
Byf explained this a while back in detail, before this season was a thing.
It feels like rasputin gets retconned somehow practically every time he shows up
None of this is retcon?
None of this was retconned what.
@@Lazy-Lizard retcons are when new information conflicts with previous established continuity. They did Retcon Felwinter into being an exo framed made by Rasputin. Hell they even retconned his designed. Retcons happen all the time in stories.
Sometimes your kids act up and you just gotta bring the hammer down.
Wow...he killed his son yet kept the body....thats stone cold and remorseful. I guess we can call this "when even a skynet like ai learns remorse" or something either way man....thats a bit messed up but oddly touches the heart a bit
We already knew that.
Is THAT what Osiris saw?
Ow my heart
We've known for awhile why he did it
0:13
"You slaughtered Felwinters"
Nice laziness there Bungler.
How is that Bungie's fault? It's accent related, you porkchop. You losers always have something negative to say. Shut your mouth.
Remind what remains?
Honestly im glad he killed felwinter. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to use his overpowered helmet
Did Osiris just say “Felwinters?”
He was thinking about the shotgun 🤣
I mean there's half a motive but it doesn't really answer anything
I cannot trust the bray or rasputin anymore. Just what true duck is going on between the traveler and all this darkness shit
I don't understand why we can't use siva against the black fleet? I liken siva to the flood of halo.
Siva is a tech plague capable of changing matter but darkness is a massive step up compared to the darkness which is a paracasual entity. Only something of paracasual can destroy another. Siva compared to black fleet is a stepping stone
So he killed them cause he was pissed they could resurrect?
I could be completely wrong, but from what I understand, Rasputin was pissed cuz Felwinter was HIS (son). And by being revived by the Traveller, in Rasputin's eyes, Felwinter is now the Traveller's (adopted son).
So cue "You're mine and since you won't come back to me... I created you, so I can end you." 💀
@@mothecodfish4926also because the light is paracausal, he was unequipped to process the individual entity of Felwinter. Similar to how the Vex cannot simulate the light. To Rasputin, Guardians were not human, and therefore fair game to destroy
next season is going to have siva 100% the siva complex can be seen from the son of saturn mission, the bright dust store all of a sudden has siva entrance effect and now siva is being mentioned by rasputin. real fishy
Idk. Next season is the Lightfall expansion. So the seasonal content might be subplot related, just like how the Season of the Risen had to do with Savathun's Hive Lightbearers
And I don't yet see how Siva is related to Neptune
Maybe not next season because that’s the one alongside light fall so it’s likely going to be a subplot season but I have high hopes that we’re going to get a siva season at some point during the light fall year.
lmao no it’s not “real fishy”, siva shit has been in the eververse since d2 came out and siva has been mentioned countless of times in the past seasons
The Siva Season can be real for lightfall, let me explain: since the little bit of lore about the nanite tech of neomuna, the parallel about Siva and the nanite have been made in the exotic gun that came out with the ligthfall pack.
The nanite are Siva but largely modified and enanced by the habitant of neomuna
@@altarniir1.163 so what youre saying is there could be another darkness subclass with siva? because quicksilver storm is kinda like siva and the season could happen
Wait what
Holy crap. Byf was right
This clip is bullshit, it doesn't explain at all why Rasputin attacked the iron lords
And people don't even care, they're just posting up their own headcanons and pretending Bungie wrote a genuine story.🤮
still like clovis more
Nothing but excuses
Ngl the voice acting for Osiris is so bad this season it’s like u can tell he’s reading straight from the script 😅
you mean rasputin?
Yo wtf? Didn’t Rasputin also kill those other guardians from the saber strike? I don’t this Rasputin thing if it’s made by us why kill us? Someone explain lord please and how does Osiris know felwinter??? AND how is felwinter an iron lord Rasputin son????????
Don’t know the first half but I’ll tell you the rest, Osiris knows felwinter because in the old days Felwinter was the mentor of Osiris, and Felwinter’s true identity was Siddartha Golem, a special exo made by Rasputin to keep tabs on Humanity but died and became a Guardian
@@i24kpandamonium26 had no idea felwinter was an exo thank you
He did kill those Guardians, don't know why though. We didn't make him, he was made centuries ago and the only person he trusted before the season was Ana
Look up a Destiny rise of Iron playthrough, then a season of the Warmind playthrough, then watch a couple of Byf videos and everything will be clear. It all makes sense but there's too much for one RUclips comment and I don't feel like going right now
The rest of that’s understandably weirdly written. Rasputin has had different directions in the story since the get go
However Felwinter was his “son” before he was resurrected as a guardian. There are videos on this out there, it’s a deep lore thing. Osiris is just old enough to have been around Felwinter- that’s all there is to that one
I still think this season horribly messes up Rasputin's lore. Like how can he say he was always on Humanity's side when he straight up murdered most of the Iron Lords who brought stability to Dark age Humanity.
Rasputin was basically brain damaged at the time. His central core on mars was buried under a self made glacier, several of his sub minds were either destroyed, damaged or isolated. Pieces of his mind were scattered across the solar system like dust on the wind. Expecting him to act and react like a human in that state seems to be asking too much in my opinion.
this was always true about rasputin, since d2y1. this season has nothing to do with your problems with the story.
@@voyagerwitch I just haven't seen a justified story excuse for his character's wild changes.
He went from powerful golden age AI Killing the Iron Lords to retrieve what he believed was his(a single unit by the way, the other machine frames would've sufficed). Didn't even attempt to really study or communicate with Felwinter and basically immediately labeled him as a rogue element and enemy of himself.
Then in Warmind DLC he declared himself an AI machine god, and would refuse to serve or be used as a weapon.
Then in Season of the Worthy became a regretful old man who wanted to right his wrongs and finally actually cooperated mutually with humanity FOR THE FIRST TIME.
And now I'm Seraph when he's technically at weakest(we are still rebuilding him) he tries to ass pull that he's always been looking out for us and Humanity's best interests.
Sorry man, that is super confusing character growth.
@@jacobruiter592 the "justified story excuse" is just that almost everything we knew about him from the beginning was secondhand, and we never knew got his perspective on things because he only spoke in backwards Russian. no one who told us about him had even met him whole until warmind. this is like being mad because saint-14 turned out to have an accent.
Rasputin in the state he was in, did not see Guardians as humans, so killing them is not harming humanity, he now has a different perspective.
Ah yes bungie telling us that a super ai won't betray us because he has emotions and still shot the traveler killed his son along with his friends.
Didn’t shoot the traveler but yeah
"i emotionally outburst, slaughtered my son and his crew, then got sad later and wants to be forgiven".
who'd forgive him of that? really? his dead son? if possibly revived somehow? and why is Osiris so convinced, the writers themselves convinced, that Rasputin may even get it?
. "we all get a bit upset sometimes Dad. Sure, you killed everyone and everything that meant something to me, and killed me as well. but no biggie. I understand you made a little mistake."
I wonder if the opinions of Guardians for crimes, and even fratricide, etc, (Uldren's warcrime killing and also his murder of Cayde as an example), is so brushed off, because they're all nearly immortal. Since the plot is so easily "TADAA HES ALIVE AGAIN WEEEE", it leads me to believe that maybe, the writers start to brush it off too, while they slaver at another opportunity to quickly shoehorn in just how noble and nice the Guardian are by wishing slaughter to be forgiven by their enemies both former and current.
Hey, compared to the Vex or Hive, I’m more apt to forgive those remorseful for their deeds. At least now Crow / Uldren was manipulated