thats a decent material, thx from support to support! the only thing im doubting here is the video shows pretty much snowballing game, when the matchup on the line were favourable to be aggresive. I wonder if you can show how to play from behind, being in the team who wants the game to turn late and just trying to respond the push without loosing map (+ as @Thesinistereyes1 mentioned melee 4pos would be great for such kind of review).
As a Herald support player, I suggest always be ready to carry the game. Cause your carry will either keep on farming when 5 enemies dead.. or he will DC after 30-40 mins farming
I always tend to check the wards on the enemies' supp so I can guess whether he puts a ward to block camp or block the camp using his hero. And, always buys 2 sentry wards! When you win the pulling game, the chance of you winning the lane is high.
I play pos 4 low immortal but mostly melee ganking support so the positioning is usually opposite to you in fights. I would like to see someone who has 10k perspective on a melee support lane.
I wouldn't say I'm "new" but I'm certainly not a seasoned vet either. I wish I could even begin to understand and implement all this but I often feel like the carries im supporting know less than even I do. I really wish people would make content designed for people to work around mouth breathing casuals cuz it often doesn't matter what I do. People just run it down lane sometimes and my job is babysitting trying to keep a dude alive that's ultimately just going to feed his brains out come mid game anyways.
Hey man, I love support guides. Do you think you could make a series on how to play a certain hero? Like rn Treant protector is super popular. Someone like me could watch a video from a top support perspective on how to milk all the mmr possible from understanding best pos5 in current meta
Every single spell on my side is on quick cast. The only thing I do without is like 2 out of 6 items are without quickcast. in my opinion quick cast is 10 times better and faster but you need a lot of time to get used to it. I played like 2 years without quick castbut when I changed I felt 10 times better after some time.
I think the reason my winrate on pos5 is so much higher than on pos4 is because I know when to abandon my carry and trilane with my offlaner and pos4 on the offlane (always nice when the mid rotates too). The issue I run into while playing pos4 is that my pos5 will continue babysitting the carry 8-12 minutes into the match, and my mid will continue to passively farm mid for even longer. If I'm not playing in a bracket where my hard support or mid (reliably) understands the importance of pressuring the enemy carry, should I be prioritizing heroes that can at least gank mid? I find that midlane ganks are much harder to execute because of the tower proximity and high ground darkness. So youre trying to kill the strongest guy on the enemy team with everything stacked against you.
this doesnt work in lower mmr.. where people dont know how to group, I've played games vs nyx/riki/clinkz told them just be close together so we can counter ganks. They just kept feeding being solo killed on locations without sentry
5k pos 5 player here, always struggling with pos 4, because I was having issues with that line and what to do next, went and how, this is pretty helpful, One think that I have its that I dont know how to transition from a pos4 into a pos 3, I mean talking about damage, I'M the suppport type, but went game goes late, I lose the timming and best item selection, could you give some advices?
I mean depends on your hero. But I go a lot of the time for a casual Midas after my first item. Especially when I can already feel that the game is going very late.
I play at a lower MMR and if the cores are not interested in engaging the enemy even when we have the power spike, what am I supposed to do? Ultimately they will start blaming the supports when we loose as they have the items by farming the jungle. If we hit creeps or NC, they will start complaining the supports are farming NC instead of ganking. Can two supports fight or push in mid game?
This is good, I am learning a lot. Question, I struggled a lot when 3 of my cores just want to farm, and it's very hard for me to do solo plays as a 4, 5. Is there anything else to do other than cut wave?
Staying behind them and waiting for enemy smokes. Or you split waves and farm farm farm aswell there is not much to do if nobody wants to play. But eventually there is a fight starting and it's much better if U have 2-4 items urself as a support at this time.
The biggest support difference I see, 4:55 Omni is fine I can leave him 5:30 Disruptor didn't give a balls fuck on his WK before leaving lane, What's next level agency? Leave ur carry on level 5?
Ofc it does. But I can tell you one thing from experience. It is so much better playing Dota when you mute voice chat and the normal chat but the problem is then U don't hear the casual calls or moves. Like: use the smoke, ward here or whatever. Either U accept that and you play 10 times better then you should do or you try to read and understand your team and the enemy team what they want to do.
hi! first off thanks for this amazing content. im really looking forward to seeing more of this in depth stuff. if you care i want to say its extremely exhausting to watch if you pause the replay every other second and is very distracting. i think it would be alot more accessible if you could let it play a bit and pause for explanation. seems especially weird when the replay is running speed up
Liked your content very much, however, after you played with my brother in a pub, where you were very toxic towards him, I can't watch your content with the same eyes, I suggest zour work on that as well :)
Witch doctor, shadow shaman, cm, they are relatively strong in most cases, also marina if you need long-range support with stun who can roam easily. In this patch treent is one of the most contested supports also in those 2 roles bu5t you need a little practice since he's a male not range.
I like these 6 heroes: Meles: Tusk, Treant and Clock. Range: Bane, Invoker and Muerta. If you don't play Invoker and Muerta then you can go for venge and nature's prophet.
@@5updota the question was about "to start with support" Most of your suggestions are good but not for the starting player, you need practice with all of them, range supp with slows stuns and press R ults are better in my opinion for newbies to.
I mean sure that is correct but it also depends on the player aswell. I startet Dota with Pangolier, Earthspirit and Invo and both of them are not really friendly for newbies either but at some point you will learn them its a hard path but it can work :D
Considering Invokers somewhat weak laningstage, do you have any predetermined "rules" of when you can and can't play him... like what pos 3 etc?@@5updota
Your videos should not be fast forwarded Just play at normal speed when you are talking instead of pausing and unpausing. It gives a very bad viewing experience
go and tell this to the mid or pos 5 in SEA lol.... all are farming... no one communicates... bloody annoying... give some tips to get out of the trench for a pos 4 in 2K
As a core only player I'm watching this for one reason and one reason alone - So I can pinpoint every single mistake my worthless dog of a player supports are doing and flame them relentlessly until the game devolves into a screaming match like we are in my country's parliament.
That's a great video. But please if you have something to say, pause the video. Say it. Then resume the video The way you do it, pause and resume randomly while talking is distracting as hell. OFC I am excluding the parts where you explain a positioning.
As a 500mmr pro support from SEA, you are wrong.
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SEA is different world 😉
King
Haha 😂
I'm a 6k 4/5 player and this was super helpful, thanks!
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Good note on the “play on the right if you win the trade vs 5 or play on the left if your offlaner tank the 5” learned a lot.
thats a decent material, thx from support to support! the only thing im doubting here is the video shows pretty much snowballing game, when the matchup on the line were favourable to be aggresive. I wonder if you can show how to play from behind, being in the team who wants the game to turn late and just trying to respond the push without loosing map (+ as @Thesinistereyes1 mentioned melee 4pos would be great for such kind of review).
I’m 6k mmr and I am a pos 1 only. Pos 4 is my far my weakest role. This was extremely educational! Thank you
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so much insights, really great video!! thank you
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Amazing analysis. One of the best channels there, great content!
Thank you 🤝
As a Herald support player, I suggest always be ready to carry the game. Cause your carry will either keep on farming when 5 enemies dead.. or he will DC after 30-40 mins farming
best content I've ever seen, I was hoping for the carry role next
Great video. Subscribed and keen to learn more!
Thanks! Now I m ready for TI 13
5.6k player here. Great insights. Thank you.
I always tend to check the wards on the enemies' supp so I can guess whether he puts a ward to block camp or block the camp using his hero. And, always buys 2 sentry wards! When you win the pulling game, the chance of you winning the lane is high.
Bro thx I think ur tutorial makes me climbed up from crusader to archon
I play pos 4 low immortal but mostly melee ganking support so the positioning is usually opposite to you in fights. I would like to see someone who has 10k perspective on a melee support lane.
If I do another video like that and I play a Mele hero then sure why not👍
yeh, show us how to play melee support on Laning phase.
I had trouble winning as pos4/5(charge roles) thanks for the content
Just picked the game up for the first time and my god I’m lost so hard to learn
I am 6k SA main sup 5, great video ❤️
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I wouldn't say I'm "new" but I'm certainly not a seasoned vet either. I wish I could even begin to understand and implement all this but I often feel like the carries im supporting know less than even I do. I really wish people would make content designed for people to work around mouth breathing casuals cuz it often doesn't matter what I do. People just run it down lane sometimes and my job is babysitting trying to keep a dude alive that's ultimately just going to feed his brains out come mid game anyways.
Hey man, I love support guides. Do you think you could make a series on how to play a certain hero? Like rn Treant protector is super popular. Someone like me could watch a video from a top support perspective on how to milk all the mmr possible from understanding best pos5 in current meta
do you have quick casts for any spells or items? I feel like every rubick's spell is great with quick cast. Maybe not the stolen spells.
Every single spell on my side is on quick cast. The only thing I do without is like 2 out of 6 items are without quickcast.
in my opinion quick cast is 10 times better and faster but you need a lot of time to get used to it. I played like 2 years without quick castbut when I changed I felt 10 times better after some time.
1k mmr sea support now im mad my fellow 1k sea support will know this aswell😂
Feelsbad^^
I think the reason my winrate on pos5 is so much higher than on pos4 is because I know when to abandon my carry and trilane with my offlaner and pos4 on the offlane (always nice when the mid rotates too). The issue I run into while playing pos4 is that my pos5 will continue babysitting the carry 8-12 minutes into the match, and my mid will continue to passively farm mid for even longer. If I'm not playing in a bracket where my hard support or mid (reliably) understands the importance of pressuring the enemy carry, should I be prioritizing heroes that can at least gank mid? I find that midlane ganks are much harder to execute because of the tower proximity and high ground darkness. So youre trying to kill the strongest guy on the enemy team with everything stacked against you.
Watch Gaimin Gladiator support and you will understand. The secret is to play around mid lane. If mid is having a good time. Ez mmr
@@ineptadept3251 Depends on your mmr but yeah the better the player the better it is to support them
this doesnt work in lower mmr.. where people dont know how to group, I've played games vs nyx/riki/clinkz told them just be close together so we can counter ganks. They just kept feeding being solo killed on locations without sentry
In lower brackets problem is that many cores after lanning stage dont consdier pressuring and most of them just go afk farm :( (I mean all of them)
5k pos 5 player here, always struggling with pos 4, because I was having issues with that line and what to do next, went and how, this is pretty helpful, One think that I have its that I dont know how to transition from a pos4 into a pos 3, I mean talking about damage, I'M the suppport type, but went game goes late, I lose the timming and best item selection, could you give some advices?
I mean depends on your hero.
But I go a lot of the time for a casual Midas after my first item. Especially when I can already feel that the game is going very late.
Makes sense. How do you play from the opposite ends though? What would you do when your opponent does what you did?
14:15 BIGGG
I play at a lower MMR and if the cores are not interested in engaging the enemy even when we have the power spike, what am I supposed to do? Ultimately they will start blaming the supports when we loose as they have the items by farming the jungle. If we hit creeps or NC, they will start complaining the supports are farming NC instead of ganking. Can two supports fight or push in mid game?
I really want to know when to go high ground.
This is good, I am learning a lot. Question, I struggled a lot when 3 of my cores just want to farm, and it's very hard for me to do solo plays as a 4, 5. Is there anything else to do other than cut wave?
Staying behind them and waiting for enemy smokes.
Or you split waves and farm farm farm aswell there is not much to do if nobody wants to play.
But eventually there is a fight starting and it's much better if U have 2-4 items urself as a support at this time.
@@5updota I also have a lot of offlane farming while the other 2 cores got gank. Can't defend towers or objective without offlane, so just give?
2k here. well, now 1.5k, because i lost 18 games in a row
very nice video. I am also support, legend2 but I am getting to the point where I feel you can't rankup as a support..
The biggest support difference I see,
4:55 Omni is fine I can leave him
5:30 Disruptor didn't give a balls fuck on his WK before leaving lane,
What's next level agency? Leave ur carry on level 5?
but how do you concentrate on the game haha llike I get lost during team fights
good insight, does this still work if i mute all 9 players in the game tho
Ofc it does. But I can tell you one thing from experience.
It is so much better playing Dota when you mute voice chat and the normal chat but the problem is then U don't hear the casual calls or moves.
Like: use the smoke, ward here or whatever.
Either U accept that and you play 10 times better then you should do or you try to read and understand your team and the enemy team what they want to do.
Can you give tips when enemy is ahead and forcing fight, how to make space buy time to make it to late game?
hi! first off thanks for this amazing content. im really looking forward to seeing more of this in depth stuff. if you care i want to say its extremely exhausting to watch if you pause the replay every other second and is very distracting. i think it would be alot more accessible if you could let it play a bit and pause for explanation. seems especially weird when the replay is running speed up
the pausing makes it easier to focus on listening for me. what's even better is that we got a pre-explanation which makes things easier
pausing a speed up replay 12 times in 15 seconds does help no one
which is why it's a trivial matter and we listen to the words spoken.
what if you group as 4 and your core afk farm and then they beat you because enemies are 4 or 5.
Pausing every 2 seconds is annoying asf
Would be great if u discuss more of the position according to region
Braindead
@7:52 emacipator enjoyer
bro, these sudden pauses then fast forward giving me headache
Man i like your content but please do Something with that mic to be clear.
See you in 7k MMR
U mean 2k MMR right?
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Could you make one for the 3 role to please 🙏 ?
At some point yes but I can't tell you yet (when)
Liked your content very much, however, after you played with my brother in a pub, where you were very toxic towards him, I can't watch your content with the same eyes, I suggest zour work on that as well :)
can you recommend heroes to start with as a support sir that can be played in both pos4 and 5
Witch doctor, shadow shaman, cm, they are relatively strong in most cases, also marina if you need long-range support with stun who can roam easily. In this patch treent is one of the most contested supports also in those 2 roles bu5t you need a little practice since he's a male not range.
I like these 6 heroes:
Meles: Tusk, Treant and Clock.
Range: Bane, Invoker and Muerta.
If you don't play Invoker and Muerta then you can go for venge and nature's prophet.
@@5updota the question was about "to start with support" Most of your suggestions are good but not for the starting player, you need practice with all of them, range supp with slows stuns and press R ults are better in my opinion for newbies to.
I mean sure that is correct but it also depends on the player aswell. I startet Dota with Pangolier, Earthspirit and Invo and both of them are not really friendly for newbies either but at some point you will learn them its a hard path but it can work :D
Considering Invokers somewhat weak laningstage, do you have any predetermined "rules" of when you can and can't play him... like what pos 3 etc?@@5updota
Ok so now do the same thing with a solo queue ranked roles team, pick first.
Your videos should not be fast forwarded
Just play at normal speed when you are talking instead of pausing and unpausing. It gives a very bad viewing experience
More pause pls
W video
As a support main who's never been calibrated, your advice is wrong.
go and tell this to the mid or pos 5 in SEA lol.... all are farming... no one communicates... bloody annoying... give some tips to get out of the trench for a pos 4 in 2K
Way too many pauses !
thats hector ofc his gonna farm
As a core only player I'm watching this for one reason and one reason alone - So I can pinpoint every single mistake my worthless dog of a player supports are doing and flame them relentlessly until the game devolves into a screaming match like we are in my country's parliament.
That's a great video. But please if you have something to say, pause the video. Say it. Then resume the video The way you do it, pause and resume randomly while talking is distracting as hell. OFC I am excluding the parts where you explain a positioning.
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Noob theories
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@@5updota sorry am I toxic
yet carry blames the support even i followed this guide.
Great stuff. Thank you.
Love and blessings!