I remember reading the original WC3 online guide back in the day. There was a screenshot of 3 peons walking across the map under the section "Offensive Towering", with the statement "orcs are more likely than any other race to offensive tower. If you ever see a group of peons like this, odds are they're up to no good".
@@sittingwonderduck not sure if this is the exact one but i found this on gamefaqs: Beginner's Ladder FAQ (PC) by prax0r Section Three - Vital Concepts, 7. Using Siege: "ORC TOWERS SHOOT FARTHER THAN YOURS, BEWARE. They also build very fast, which is kind of messed up. If an Orc is annoying you early on for no reason, suspect towering."
I remember doing something akin to this with undead towers way back in highschool during a lan contest hosted by the computer class teacher, with the prize being a 20$ coupon, and the funniest is I didn't even really want to join nor cared enough to win, I just did it out of the blue, managed to drag on the fight for so long the teacher had to call it a ''draw'' and claim the victor by the amount of points generated, and by sheer luck I actually won by a few hundred points. Boy was that high ego nerd who gloated about being the best at the game genuinely livid, one of the only good memories I have of highschool.
Bro you had the coolest teacher, wish I could have done WC3 lans with other kids back in my day, but sadly WC3 was not popular enough in France, I did lan with other kids in my family though and it was a blast
Man the most wild part about this to me is that fact your teacher hosted a wc3 lan contest in his computer class. Not even the students in my highschool days knew anything about Warcraft 3.
"You know what, we can build the towers outside of vision. They don't need to be in vision" Puts down tower "It's in vision, dammit" Good stuff grubby 😂
I did something similar in a Warcraft 2 match in the late 90s. But I built 9 towers surrounding the town hall and then waited until I had enough resources to upgrade them all to cannon towers in one go so my opponent wouldn't get attack notifications until they were all well underway. Decimated his town. We were both human so he didn't notice the color difference in the buildings.
Beside Grubby's excellent game play, I love his interpretation of the game. The analogy between getting tower rushed and reading gloomy news are so relatable. It taught me game and life lessons at the same time.
It's a dire situation, I have a friend who I tower rushed in aoe2 and he never played the game after. He was trapped in tc his villagers could not go out and build anything without being shot to death :(
I admire your life philosophy. In this particular case - about what you tell about "reading news", also other things like "just do it", "don't be afraid to lose/make mistakes", "have fun because life is short". Also I like how calm you react to setbacks, without griefing opponents.
Lol been there. Used to have a YT vid of it, but lost it when they started copyright striking vids that had music in them. Still have my Gruul vid luckily, just half of it is silent lol.
Now imagine how the others people must feel. Top World player making fun and humilate low lvl people who wanna just have fun. Its like Mike Tyson going around street one punching random people because others have fun. ToD was right about this Grubster poor not anymore shining star.
This is too funny. He could have just walked around it and attacked your base. The problem-solving skills of some human beings and players are so funny
@redfordkobayashi6936he's not bringing anything he has 3 peons in your base building towers, there is no way he has rez for something else, the dude is just a noob
I used to have an 80% winrate with this on the old Punder Isle. Vs Human and Undead I'd have to change it up a bit though, human I'd try to hide them and go spikes.
awesome content grub, keep it up, your 33yo friend from germany :) i miss when i was 14-15 yo, young boi and w3 came out but i myself am on a jurney to achive other things, thus its great that you still care for this hobby of mine, wc3
Grubby you're a such a god. You had a big role in my life when I was a kid by being the best orc player and first pro I watched... I wished I was as good as you. I havent played in what feels like 15 years but just wanted to remind to let you know the level of the impact you had on many of us is even greater than one would think. switching to far seer and wolves first because I saw a pro like you do it was life changing to my childhood. Never thought I'd be able to thank you for being the best ORC player at the time if not still. But thank you man!
The best way to stop a tower rush is to build towers of your own in the Frontline. They have same range, so your opponent won't be able to build forward. Then you get the artillery and hit safely from behind the towers.
@@JnoPrds not if you bild right outside of enemy towers range so there is not enought space for him to build new ones that are out of your towers range
I thought the entire idea of a tower rush was to build outside of vision and build towards base slowly. That way you can build bunkers, barracks near towers
Sometimes, but for the 3 peasant tower rush he was emulating, you build them right in their face, because it's too early for them to do anything about it, and that way it threatens them immediately. But it is typically done in Human vs. Night Elf
@@bryansweeney3077 . . . Especially on Turtle Rock close spawn. (I think one of the semi-recent patches prevents close spawn on Turtle Rock now, but not 100% sure.)
@@exetlaios3 Well, first you don't feed the enemy hero by throwing units into the wall of spikes and boost them to level 4. Second, you're probably better off sending all your units to their main base and killing all their peons. If you look back, 50% of grubby's peons were in front of the human's base. Third, building your own towers stops them from building towers.
This was awesome, the guy can surely cite a few ways he could have gone out of this, but there and then purely the psychological factor gave in and he failed. That's why playing with real people will forever be better than the most advanced ai.
8:00 If you mean national news, like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.. Then yes. Absolutely correct. Local news is more important though, especially when someone dangerous is on the loose, or adverse weather events are going to be catastrophic.
8:10 This is what I call "head-in-the-sand" mentality - or if you prefer a lotr reference: pippin vs mary. Grubby is pippin: "We've got the shire" And whether you realize it or not, many things that don't happen directly to you, still do indeed affect you. Maybe not right away, but it does.
Many things that do affect you, and even more that don't(in a way that's noticeable). Knowing about something you can't do anything about isn't going to help you. That's his point.
Jesus. I remember playing this with a friend as a kid. It was in like 2008 or something. I loved this game! I’m glad I found out what I was actually playing 😅
when i played wc3 i used scorched earth tactic with the undead. slowly spreading out corruption with massive amounts of towers reducing the amount of usable land for other races more and more untill the enemy has no chance of winning left. its fun but takes forever and if the enemy finds out what youre doing early theyre almost guaranteed to rush you down.
Back in the day of Warcraft 3 Demo i used to play on multiplayer....only orcs and only far seer. Used to employ this strategy sometimes to just tower rush my opponents. Or to play only with hero, taking all tomes to make my hero powerfull and lots of items. I still love that map, Deadlock. Didnt play on it in years though.
Peon Rush is strongest on maps which have a high level monster in the center of the map. You claim the center and the experience from the monster. This allows you to stay ahead in levels for your hero and strategically limit your opponents options early on in the game.
RUclips algorithm brought me here, that was fun to watch :D I have a question - how to counter this strategy? What would you do to win if the roles were reversed - you were the human and your opponent - orcs rushing you with towers exactly like in the video?
The algorithm works perfectly! This brings so many good memories! I started watching your match when I was in middle school around 2006 ~ 2008, you, Moon, and Sky. I hope you're doing well!
tower rush with farseer gruntapult + a zepplin for treeline harass is devastating, especially against NE. a NE with a compromised treeline, is a leaky arse boat. especially with the burning oil upgrade. demolishers are nuts already, not to mention firing from fog of war at literal trees.
I used to watch Grubby Games more than 10 years ago and now i stumble upon this video and he even has a face. And he is a cool guy. I knew it. I knew it all these years. :D
Interesting metaphor you are using. "Dont read the newspaper, ignore it! Dont bother what happens on one of your borders." In the meantime, though, the horde is invading step by step further into humans land." "Keep working people, everything is fine."
So I assume the correct counter would have been to just walk past the towers and kill the completely undefended base which was supplying the lumber for all the towers?
Whenever you get negative thoughts, try thinking about them as if they're clouds. Sure, they're bound to happen, but just let them pass. The wind blows them away. Let them go out of your mind. Clear head by focusing on something, like breathing
I tower rushed a lot as orc back in the day. Always build out of sight if possible so they don't know you are there until your second row of towers goes down. Also, I would build the altar and build a burrow there as well so I could bring my hero directly into the fight, and avoid target fire against peons.
Smart move, you didn't fall for his taunt for rematch, as he'd assume you'd try the same strategy so he already prepared whatever strategy he had in his mind to counter your tower rush push. Same tricks won't be as effective as first because you had element of surprise- Sun Tzu
When I was a kid I enjoyed playing this game till our computer just destroyed itself because I was so addicted to this game. Now that I've grown up and I was thinking till to this day that I thought I was playing DOTA when I was a kid but boy I was wrong. I just discovered THIS DAY that I was playing Warcraft.
Probably the best tower cheese i ever had done to me is they built.towers to annoy me and box me in, but they had 1 or 2 peons chop down trees and tbey slowly built a path to my gold mine, and they built.towers behind a treeline so i couldnt see them, then they ran some peons into my base and the towers started killing my workers. I've also seen this work with night elves
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I remember reading the original WC3 online guide back in the day. There was a screenshot of 3 peons walking across the map under the section "Offensive Towering", with the statement "orcs are more likely than any other race to offensive tower. If you ever see a group of peons like this, odds are they're up to no good".
lol yes, I remember
This is funny. Someone needs to find it and link it.
@@sittingwonderduck not sure if this is the exact one but i found this on gamefaqs: Beginner's Ladder FAQ (PC) by prax0r
Section Three - Vital Concepts, 7. Using Siege:
"ORC TOWERS SHOOT FARTHER THAN YOURS, BEWARE. They also build very fast, which is kind of messed up. If an Orc is annoying you early on for no reason, suspect towering."
YES! I remember this!
I won like only one or two games has Orcs tower rushing cause of that guide the rest of the games i tried it i was massacred lol
When he said "WTF LOCKING ME IN LIKE AN ANIMAL" I lol'd so hard
Funny thing was , he was not locked - 2 free exits. Just counteratack and digin in the main base. Thats how you counter this.
I wish grubby had bantered a bit back. "Like you deserve" or something other than "?" To it all.
love how that dude tunnel vision that 1 specific road and forgot he can walk around it to creep
exactly my thought.. why didnt he just walk around and start creeping early. then he could be faster Tier 2, faster mortars, probably winning the game
does anyone know what the wc3 mod grubby is using to show apm and the other stuffs
guess he's kinda panic and wanted to save health and everything to prepare for that crazy tower rush.
@@packadog7509 APM etc is not mod. It's in game command either /apm or -apm i don't remember which. Similarly type ping and fps with the symbols
@@yokiyoky2678 Come on.. Winning the game?
"The jedi wouldn't teach you this build order because it sucks" loved the intro.
I remember doing something akin to this with undead towers way back in highschool during a lan contest hosted by the computer class teacher, with the prize being a 20$ coupon, and the funniest is I didn't even really want to join nor cared enough to win, I just did it out of the blue, managed to drag on the fight for so long the teacher had to call it a ''draw'' and claim the victor by the amount of points generated, and by sheer luck I actually won by a few hundred points. Boy was that high ego nerd who gloated about being the best at the game genuinely livid, one of the only good memories I have of highschool.
Nice work. Now, rematch him if you dare!
Bro you had the coolest teacher, wish I could have done WC3 lans with other kids back in my day, but sadly WC3 was not popular enough in France, I did lan with other kids in my family though and it was a blast
Was winning by copying the hard AI BO's for NEs, now I copy Grubby, I guess some things never change lol
Man the most wild part about this to me is that fact your teacher hosted a wc3 lan contest in his computer class. Not even the students in my highschool days knew anything about Warcraft 3.
You showed him the chesse.
"You know what, we can build the towers outside of vision. They don't need to be in vision"
Puts down tower
"It's in vision, dammit"
Good stuff grubby 😂
I did something similar in a Warcraft 2 match in the late 90s. But I built 9 towers surrounding the town hall and then waited until I had enough resources to upgrade them all to cannon towers in one go so my opponent wouldn't get attack notifications until they were all well underway. Decimated his town. We were both human so he didn't notice the color difference in the buildings.
7:58 "You know what this is a symbolism for?"
Me: looking at the farms
That was fun, didnt know it was you :D
I wanna see that remake xD
bro he didn't block you in; you had 2 other pathways to go creep.
@@drewskiwest5284 ah, cant hold it against him, i would be flabbergasted af if this would happen to me xD
Who is he?😂
Beside Grubby's excellent game play, I love his interpretation of the game. The analogy between getting tower rushed and reading gloomy news are so relatable. It taught me game and life lessons at the same time.
Come for the gameplay, stay for the philosophy lecture.
If you beleive you should shoulder the worlds problems, then you will always be gloomy with news.
No one man is meant to shoulder the worlds problems.
It's a dire situation, I have a friend who I tower rushed in aoe2 and he never played the game after. He was trapped in tc his villagers could not go out and build anything without being shot to death :(
“When man meets an obstacle he can't destroy, he destroys himself” Ryszard Kapuscinski, The Other
I admire your life philosophy.
In this particular case - about what you tell about "reading news", also other things like "just do it", "don't be afraid to lose/make mistakes", "have fun because life is short".
Also I like how calm you react to setbacks, without griefing opponents.
Health management of that pit lord was incredible
11:00 Got those militia running around like a failed 25 Man Magtheridon's Lair. XD
Lol been there. Used to have a YT vid of it, but lost it when they started copyright striking vids that had music in them. Still have my Gruul vid luckily, just half of it is silent lol.
Doesn't this count as pitlord hero only challenge?
Dude was playing dota😂
The fun you making with these series is something i didnt know i need in my life :) cheers
Now imagine how the others people must feel. Top World player making fun and humilate low lvl people who wanna just have fun. Its like Mike Tyson going around street one punching random people because others have fun. ToD was right about this Grubster poor not anymore shining star.
I'm dying to know if a rematch happend!
Two rematches happened actually. Not sure if he's posting or not.
@@tawney709 when was the stream?
@@Amoeby April 5th it looks like
Grub said under another comment the rematch is coming out tomorrow
So did he win?
This is too funny. He could have just walked around it and attacked your base. The problem-solving skills of some human beings and players are so funny
probably a noob. i can relate to knows on not knowing what to do
@@terithrow3214 Are there really noobs who still play WarCraft 3 online competitive multiplayer?
@@armacham yes
@@armachami'm onde of them 😂
@redfordkobayashi6936he's not bringing anything he has 3 peons in your base building towers, there is no way he has rez for something else, the dude is just a noob
"he should have not read this news"
as he hovers over his towers... made me laugh out loud
I used to have an 80% winrate with this on the old Punder Isle. Vs Human and Undead I'd have to change it up a bit though, human I'd try to hide them and go spikes.
awesome content grub, keep it up, your 33yo friend from germany :)
i miss when i was 14-15 yo, young boi and w3 came out but i myself
am on a jurney to achive other things, thus its great that you still care for this hobby of mine, wc3
Grubby you're a such a god. You had a big role in my life when I was a kid by being the best orc player and first pro I watched... I wished I was as good as you. I havent played in what feels like 15 years but just wanted to remind to let you know the level of the impact you had on many of us is even greater than one would think.
switching to far seer and wolves first because I saw a pro like you do it was life changing to my childhood. Never thought I'd be able to thank you for being the best ORC player at the time if not still. But thank you man!
So many great quotes in this one
"this guy read the news"
"anyone who hits the town hall bell is panicking"
The best way to stop a tower rush is to build towers of your own in the Frontline. They have same range, so your opponent won't be able to build forward. Then you get the artillery and hit safely from behind the towers.
Orc towers have more range than human towers right? So in this case it would the same as building a farm. It wouldn’t help.
@@JnoPrds not if you bild right outside of enemy towers range so there is not enought space for him to build new ones that are out of your towers range
I thought the entire idea of a tower rush was to build outside of vision and build towards base slowly. That way you can build bunkers, barracks near towers
Sometimes, but for the 3 peasant tower rush he was emulating, you build them right in their face, because it's too early for them to do anything about it, and that way it threatens them immediately. But it is typically done in Human vs. Night Elf
@@bryansweeney3077 . . . Especially on Turtle Rock close spawn. (I think one of the semi-recent patches prevents close spawn on Turtle Rock now, but not 100% sure.)
how you counter this?
@@exetlaios3 Well, first you don't feed the enemy hero by throwing units into the wall of spikes and boost them to level 4. Second, you're probably better off sending all your units to their main base and killing all their peons. If you look back, 50% of grubby's peons were in front of the human's base. Third, building your own towers stops them from building towers.
That would be a tower CREEP and not a rush
Looks like the guy accepted the friend request at 14:20 and then came online at 14:30? Perhaps they closed the game after the match?
I see the number go from 1 to 2 indeed :) you are right
This was awesome, the guy can surely cite a few ways he could have gone out of this, but there and then purely the psychological factor gave in and he failed. That's why playing with real people will forever be better than the most advanced ai.
This intro is legendary. Brightened my day tenfold!
this strat is actually one of my fave to do. i've always been a fan of using towers in my builds
ez to counter anyway. human is noobo
8:00
If you mean national news, like CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc..
Then yes. Absolutely correct.
Local news is more important though, especially when someone dangerous is on the loose, or adverse weather events are going to be catastrophic.
Agree, local news is relevant
@@FollowGrubby you're a smart fella Grubby lol
Building a forward barracks and rolling out catapult/demolishers at their base takes this to another level
i only played WC 1 and 2, SC 1 and 2...
This was my first WC3 match i ever seen and i wasnt disappointed! Really cool
Ah, good old days from a 2003-ish
14:28 the last millisecond after you check him accepting your friend request he did it😂😮
"What a foolish ploy," not boy.
10:44 What a perfect sound effect for the Rain of Fire.
9:38 that health potion was the epitome of browneye clenching
Watching for the entertainment of cheap rushes, didnt expect day to day philosophical observations.
Great video and game man, watched excited till the end! Keep doing what you doing bro
8:10 This is what I call "head-in-the-sand" mentality - or if you prefer a lotr reference: pippin vs mary. Grubby is pippin: "We've got the shire"
And whether you realize it or not, many things that don't happen directly to you, still do indeed affect you. Maybe not right away, but it does.
Many things that do affect you, and even more that don't(in a way that's noticeable).
Knowing about something you can't do anything about isn't going to help you.
That's his point.
The same strat applicable to SC2 protoss cannon rush - just make an expansion and attack the base there is nothing there
Good ol memories…workers and soldiers chasing the probe while they run around and just spawn cannons
Jesus. I remember playing this with a friend as a kid. It was in like 2008 or something. I loved this game! I’m glad I found out what I was actually playing 😅
He seems to be dealing with it effectively by ignoring it.
Secs later: allchats, yo wtf is this
Gentlemen. We got em
when i played wc3 i used scorched earth tactic with the undead.
slowly spreading out corruption with massive amounts of towers reducing the amount of usable land for other races more and more untill the enemy has no chance of winning left.
its fun but takes forever and if the enemy finds out what youre doing early theyre almost guaranteed to rush you down.
Haha, my friend did the same against me.
Life tip: Eventually, the bad news reaches your base, so don't have your head in the sand
Back in the day of Warcraft 3 Demo i used to play on multiplayer....only orcs and only far seer.
Used to employ this strategy sometimes to just tower rush my opponents.
Or to play only with hero, taking all tomes to make my hero powerfull and lots of items.
I still love that map, Deadlock.
Didnt play on it in years though.
Peon Rush is strongest on maps which have a high level monster in the center of the map. You claim the center and the experience from the monster. This allows you to stay ahead in levels for your hero and strategically limit your opponents options early on in the game.
8:10 the thing you mentioned there and pointed on was very wise!
grub as always some lovely ideas / words / feelings / gameplay spread :)
opponents laughed, but Grubby is the last men Laughing :D
At the very end, Online friends rose to 2. This dude has no patience.
Haha, I love this! Tak3r would be so proud of you.
Deeymm that “news” analogy thing comparison is deep af
Just found out they remastered this game (a few years ago now looks like).
Loved watching 4kGrubby play.
Blizz. made a mistake when they chose to stop advancing WC RTS. Now we're stuck with SC HD, aka "SC2", and WC Reforged
RUclips algorithm brought me here, that was fun to watch :D I have a question - how to counter this strategy? What would you do to win if the roles were reversed - you were the human and your opponent - orcs rushing you with towers exactly like in the video?
The algorithm works perfectly! This brings so many good memories! I started watching your match when I was in middle school around 2006 ~ 2008, you, Moon, and Sky. I hope you're doing well!
I finally subbed to the grubb. You got me.
wore you down with fun
everytime i watch this guy its like yo grubby been a fan since '87 but this dude looks like hes 17 years old
How did this get 422k views? Congrats!
Lmao, the guy saying "rematch me if you dare" to a world champion. Gold.
the rare Wc3 opponent who has a sense of humor.
6:19 I think the pit lord is saying what a foolish 'ploy'... not boy.
Love the tower rushes too much fun lol
tower rush with farseer gruntapult + a zepplin for treeline harass is devastating, especially against NE. a NE with a compromised treeline, is a leaky arse boat. especially with the burning oil upgrade. demolishers are nuts already, not to mention firing from fog of war at literal trees.
I love owls, even ones made of pixels. Grubby should be tried for war crimes for killing that owl at 6:22 with his towers.
"mass noun" (massensubstantiv) would be the term you're looking for to describe Jedi. A word that has its singular and plural forms the same.
I used to watch Grubby Games more than 10 years ago and now i stumble upon this video and he even has a face. And he is a cool guy. I knew it. I knew it all these years. :D
I had this happen to me once when I was new. I was like WTF is going on. Lost all my workers trying to take down his towers
Interesting metaphor you are using.
"Dont read the newspaper, ignore it! Dont bother what happens on one of your borders."
In the meantime, though, the horde is invading step by step further into humans land."
"Keep working people, everything is fine."
Did bo really just "rematch me if you dare" grubby?
guy just laughs at getting cheesed, wholesome
I don't play WC3 alot but this was hell of an entertainment to watch
So I assume the correct counter would have been to just walk past the towers and kill the completely undefended base which was supplying the lumber for all the towers?
This was quite fun to watch
Ik kan je niet genoeg bedanken man, ik ben over het laats echt deprie maar je games keep me occupied van negative thoughts love you man.
Sterkte man, mental health is heel moeilijk, doe je best and wees lief voor jezelf.
@@FollowGrubby dankje man echt waar
Whenever you get negative thoughts, try thinking about them as if they're clouds. Sure, they're bound to happen, but just let them pass. The wind blows them away. Let them go out of your mind. Clear head by focusing on something, like breathing
Correct me if I'm wrong, but could he not just ignore the towers and farm lvl 2/mortars before fighting the towers?
I tower rushed a lot as orc back in the day. Always build out of sight if possible so they don't know you are there until your second row of towers goes down. Also, I would build the altar and build a burrow there as well so I could bring my hero directly into the fight, and avoid target fire against peons.
When I saw you healing from 1% health with 4 healing items in your inventory I knew you were really really good
Smart move, you didn't fall for his taunt for rematch, as he'd assume you'd try the same strategy so he already prepared whatever strategy he had in his mind to counter your tower rush push. Same tricks won't be as effective as first because you had element of surprise- Sun Tzu
When I was a kid I enjoyed playing this game till our computer just destroyed itself because I was so addicted to this game.
Now that I've grown up and I was thinking till to this day that I thought I was playing DOTA when I was a kid but boy I was wrong. I just discovered THIS DAY that I was playing Warcraft.
This has to be some form of cyber bullying
Tbh i dont watch enough gameplay to know what the Human 3 peasant tower tush looks like, but im still intrigued to see the Orc version
So with that rush we used to build barrack and maybe altar near the tower rush and get orc catapults at their base
hi grubby, the pitlord says, “what a foolish *ploy*”
Probably the best tower cheese i ever had done to me is they built.towers to annoy me and box me in, but they had 1 or 2 peons chop down trees and tbey slowly built a path to my gold mine, and they built.towers behind a treeline so i couldnt see them, then they ran some peons into my base and the towers started killing my workers.
I've also seen this work with night elves
opponent tunnel visioned instantly and was basically paralyzed. He could not handle any other strategy than the "meta"
yup i used this many many times in wc3 online.... people would be so mad because id keep moving my towers closer while developing an army in the back
Did u do it? Yes
What did it cost u? Ashenvale Forest
After all these years, I decide to check back in briefly on high level WC3 gameplay... What in tarnation is this?!
is this reforged? did they fix that thing or did they let people play the good old version again?
things I learnt from this video: Don't read/watch the news 🤣
13:12 took only five frames between reading "if you dare" and typing "i"
Loool the start is hilarious
How does he have information about hero in top left corner? Anyone can explain?
3:55 20 years later, after all those patches, the Murlocs still have their fucked up shield textures with squared black corners.
0:08-0:14 'I understood that reference'
Campaign: Use Defense to counter arrows.
Player: Send footies with Defend to counter tower, but forgot mobility issue. XD
this game and the age of empires is the reason why i love and started the rts games they are always the best
So is Pit Lord viable nowadays?