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Thank you for doing this trope :). Love your videos. As a follow up to your tough girl trope. What about Scrappy girl? Often more vicious, and a discussion on girlhood and power. X-23, Hit Girl, Spinelli etc.
I hate when movies like "The Kissing Booth" or "50 Shades" try to play off abusive behaviour as "romantic" or "charming", when really it's just controlling and damaging in the long term. 😔💔
I dont think its "playing off" anything its just some womens fantasy for that kind of stuff. After all it started as just a twilight fan fiction someone wrote for fun lol
I watched "The Kissing Booth" because my pre-teen nieces were super into it, and I was HORRIFIED. They never call out the guy's abusive behaviors for what they are. He's shown as the hero despite at least a dozen clearly abusive and controlling actions. The gratuitous sex scenes (and use of the word "fucking" to describe it) is also incredibly inappropriate for a movie whose prime demographic is 8-14 years old. (50 Shades is also bad, but at least it isn't marketed to children!) Netflix in general has no quality control for their original movies, because they aren't going through the MPAA like theatrical movies. I don't agree with all of the MPAA's practices, but they at least have proper regulations for movies made for kids. Netflix keeps adapting awful Wattpad stories written by teenagers who have no concept of fantasy vs. reality. Another popular teen movie of theirs, "After," also depicted an abusive relationship. Something really needs to change with Netflix's practices. They should at least have to have the same MPAA ratings guidelines as all other movies.
sharksandsheep what did he do? I watched it once and I skipped through most parts cause it was so boring. I don’t really remember what he did anymore. Also I think u should tell ur nieces to not take these Netflix movies too seriously. Somehow all of these Netflix originals are just for pure entertainment and can absolutely NOT be taken seriously. U should watch “Sierra Burgess is a loser” or “To all the boys I loved before 2”. They try to be deep and meaningful but (to me) just come across as ridiculous and quite shallow.
I think its hilarious edward cullen was shaped to be a bad boy when he is the biggest goodie two shoes, bella is trying to jump him every five sentences and he is like nah too risky
Yeah. I dont understand his place in thie video. Perhaps Klaus from The Originals would be a better option, or they shouod have focused more on Damon Salvatore.
@@a.d.w8385 I think they just chose to use those clips because, yk, at first sight Edward is totally the James-Dean-wannabe bad boy type. He visually fits the description they were giving, but his character doesn`t really match the archetype if you go much deeper than that - so they don`t even verbally address him. Everything about Edward that could make him a bad boy is either A. other students going LOOK AT THAT COOL GUY WHAT A BAMF HE`S HOT or B. him being an actual blood-sucking vampire.
Spot on. The Take has no idea what they're talking about. It's like they hired a handful of junior college english majors to write their crappy video essay scripts.
I think his chastity prior to marriage was simply the christian/mormon element of the fantasy coming into play. Who cares if he enters your room without your knowledge/permission and watches you sleep, follows you around, wants to drink your blood, etc as long as he's not trying to get into your pants, amiright?
I feel like bad boys are to girls what cool girl is to guys. For example, arrogancy is only attractive if a guy's features are attractive just like cool girl's somewhat "manly" behavior is attractive as long as she is extremely good looking. Just like every guy likes the idea of the cool girl, most girls like the idea of the bad boy, but that's the thing- they're both ideas and don't actually exist
Frida Bradbrook I don’t think so. Cool girls are actually what guys want, while girls don’t really want bad boys, they just like the idea of them. In the end, girls actually want sweet nice guys. Bad boys are just there to fulfill their fantasy of being able to change a guy.
I agree, I never considered those two archetypes to be two sides of the same coin, but you're absolutely correct! 👏🏽Neither type actually exists, but we may love the mere IDEA of them.
The bad boy's true appeal goes like this actually: "He's a monster to everyone but me, I'm the sole recipient of his love and kindness, and that makes me ultra-special as a girl". THIS is what women and girls should be reminded of around this trope: self-validation is pointless if it means destroying your life (and that of your kids) in the process. Why? Because validating a man's behavior by rewarding it with affection and sex makes you complicit and part of the problem, not the solution.
I'm writing a story and that statement (kinda) defines the main character love interest. But he's also the villain. The hero at one point gives him the option, he becomes the good guy he is to her to everyone else or he can go on with what he's doing without her.
I don't think this is true for every pairing. I think when the Good Girl tries to change the Bad Boy, it's partially about the fantasy of being able to make a reckless/unwise decision without negative consequences. But when "Not Like Other Girls" Girl meets the Bad Boy, it's definitely what you're talking about. It's the difference between a character who wants to change the bad boy and one who likes him the way he is, as long as he's sometimes nice to HER.
It's also prominent in male fantasies for female characters now. The tiny, brunette with the mean or outright psychotic behavior who is secretly soft and loving on the inside despite being nothing but a monster in both action and belief. But she's hot and only loves the male protagonist who breaks through her shell. And, because she's typically written by male authors as a male fantasy, she's praised as being well written and realistic while her identical male counterparts are rightly derided.
Moral of the story: Bad boys, nice guys, cool girls, weird girls, tough girls, no matter which type you are, you MUST be attractive or else people would just ignore or bully you
That is how life works yes, it's why flying under the radar is the most underrated thing in existence. Even if you are good looking you have to deal with being on top and be judged harder for failing. Used to get bullied and beaten, switched schools became an unknown and life got so much better until I became the "best friend trope". And for the first time I actually enjoyed life, I got mostly female friends and I didn't ever have to worry about any romantic pressure since they didn't find me attractive while they liked me because I never once tried to get in their pants or kiss them. Sure I would get "one day some girl is going to be so lucky to find a guy like you". And I would just politely smile and secretly be grateful I never had to deal with the headaches. Cause while I knew how to be a good friend I would be terrible at relationships. I don't understand it, the idea that some poor woman would have to deal with being miserable because I have no idea on how to treat women as romantic partners or as sexual beings. It would be cruel of me to put someone through it. Cause I know having heard intimate stories from all of my female friends that they have needs I would not be able to satisfy, one moment it takes too long, next too fast, then your not being gentle enough and in the next they hook up with some guy that they don't like but is good at choking them. It sounds like a timebomb waiting to happen. I like being around women, their beautiful, kind, nurturing, much smarter and complex than myself, and I enjoy getting a good hug or a touch that isn't sexual, but caring. But once their in the mode of wanting a mate they are so all over the place it's like they become someone else.
I actually watched a Netflix show once, in which they had a social experiment. There were two teams, and both were given the same story of a criminal but one team was presented with the mugsshot of someone pretty, and the other team of someone who wasn't. The teams were supposed to give a sentence, and as you can guess it, in all three cases the good looking person had a better sentence. Hot privilige is real.
@@mikimartinez9178 I remember a "What would you do?" episode in which a guy and a girl sit at a bar. You see the guy putting something in the girl's drink while she's in the bathroom. What would you do? They did the same set up but in 1 scenarios, the girl dressed respectably and in the other scenario, she was wearing a short, night club kind of dress. More people stepped in to help when she dressed more respectably. So do think of your outfit carefully!
The saddest part of the whole bad boy fantasy is that most girls get really hooked by this type of men and irl things are not so idealized and perfect. It can lead to many bad experiences out of naive beliefs instilled in us by fictional and romance stories
I know, more impressionable viewers get so swept up into this Trope. Guys watching may think that treating a girl horribly is the best way to get her to fall for you, while girls are simply swept up in the fantasy of an exciting rebel who livens up their mundane existence. Sadly, it can have devastating consequences in real life. 😢
Very true!! My very own experience was in my son's dad (from high school) and my then boyfriend (now husband) I was dropping off my son with his dad, I got of the car and we were listening to Ed Sheeran songs and when I opened my ex's door to put my son's bag in, the song "born to be wild" was playing 🤣🤣 I remember thinking "yup... Sounds about right."
@@Clubsandwich2 Clearly you need to watch the video on "Nice Guys" by this channel, because that's what you sound like. Spoiler alert: you aren't actually nice.
I've kinda gotten bored of this character type honestly. When someone describes a character as mysterious, I think of those claw machine boxes. You could get a hundred dollars, or a crappy plastic whistle.
Something they missed was that a pretty clear clue of a “bad boy” is friends will usually say phrases like “you shouldn’t get mixed up with him” or “you can do better”
Bad boy: *is rude, inconsiderate, offensive, manipulative, toxic, sometimes abusive and violent* Writers: ah yes, perfect boyfriend material for our innocent female protagonist
The Love Redemption trope is what feeds this as pointed out in the video. Trying to "fix" your partner is not gonna work. If they don't want to change for the better all your efforts are pointless. And if by some miracle you can change them will it stick when you aren't around?
Totally, my thoughts exactly! I love how Veronica gradually realizes just HOW insane and twisted her bad boy J. D. really is, and that she would have been better off without him. This is best summed up in her quote "You know what I want, babe? Cool guys like you out of my life"! 😎🚬
It also helps that even though he has a sad backstory, the movie made very clear that he’s still a psychopath regardless because his murder has absolutely nothing to do with his life except he enjoys it.
And then the musical went and fucked it all up by turning him into some sad Lifetime movie character who literally gives his life "because he loves Veronica so much." 🙄 The musical fanbase is full of girls who think JD is just a poor, misunderstood sweetheart who they'd love to fix.
sharksandsheep that’s precisely why I have a problem with the musical; it’s exactly what the movie was deconstructing and parodying and the fandom is full of impressionable young girls who don’t realize that
Damon and Elena's relationship was seriously toxic and really it was only popular because teen girls wanted to experience that bad boy fantasy. When I watched TVD as a teen I loved Damon and Elena but now when I rewatch it in my 20s I hate them together.
Lolol I just started watching the show I’m half way through but honestly? All the characters have killed/have questionable morals so...I’m not gonna judge
@@fashionhistoryhub it wasn't toxic tho, as it is said in this video, damon had a good side in him. Even Elena said she fell for him because he did something selfless
"it dismissed having a bad childhood as an excuse to treat others like trash." In fiction, as in real life, many characters have traumatic childhoods. Not all of them choose to retaliate on other humans. The Joker has his "one bad day" as an excuse: “All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.” The problem is that other characters have gone through their own bad days, and they are still far from evil or insane.
Even when I was younger, I instinctly rooted for the kinder, gentler half of a love triangle. I always hated how the "bad boy" half of the triangle treated the heroine and then I would always yell at the screen GO FOR THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY TREATS YOU WITH GENIUNE KINDESS I SWEAR TO GOD
Shoujo Ka Dyan Same OMG all the books, movies, manga, and kdramas where they go for the broken “bad boy”. My theory is that a bad boy provides more tension and plot whereas dating the nice love interest would turn the film into a fluff fest (which don’t get me wrong, could also be great, there are stories where everyday events can be interesting) It yeah, irl, romance doesn’t have to be all sparks and fire and heartbreak. It can be quiet and kind.
@@gwenythice7230 Gwenyth Ice I don't know if you are familiar with the K-Drama Extraordinary You but it basically deconstructs (sometimes mocks) romance webtoon tropes. A couple of characters become self-aware and start to make fun of the clichés of the plot and their characters. The main triangle has the bad guy and the sweet, nice guy. The sweet guy realizes eventually he's basically a plot device to move along the heroine and the bad boy's romance. It hit me hard, man! My Second Lead Syndrome went nuts.
@@shoujokadyan5502 That's one of my top favourite dramas! Have you watched School 2015 though? My Second Lead Syndrome went into overdrive at the ending
@@shoujokadyan5502 that sounds really fun! (or heartbreaking for the sweet guy, idk) They just need a car *nearly* hitting someone every episode, and then like an anti-amnesia plot twist and my kdrama trope lampshading desires will be complete. That's going in my watchlist, I love 4th wall breaking. Thanks for the rec!
@@gwenythice7230 You're welcome! Oh, man. You will love Extraordinary You. The best thing about it is (without giving out spoilers) is that they did subvert the whole bad-boy-gets-the-heroine trope (but not in the way you think). It was really satisfying to see.
They mostly showed him when talking about how some "bad boys" end up just being abusive assholes with no redeeming qualities. He was being used to contrast those like Han Solo or Tony Stark.
Can't really happen as long as love is a chemical imbalance your brain creates without you knowing it before it's too late to stop them. The best you can hope for is what you find beyond just being very attractive, are traits you deeply connect to in a person that is right for you. The problem is that is rare, which is why most relationship and marriages end within the first 3-7 years, since that is how long it takes for the drugs to be out of your system.
I volunter at an at-risk youth center and this video is so important for me to show to my girls when we talk about abuse in relationships and setting boundaries for themselves (once this quarantine is over I want to show them this video) please tell me how I can submit portuguese subtitles for you to put in this video, so we can reach more people with this content.
My ex was the whole bad boy stereotype: troubled past and daddy issues made him cold, reckless, arrogant and attractive, he even had the redemption factor (he actually is a caring empathic man). The thing is, a bad boy doesn't need a girlfriend, he needs a therapist. My ex didn't know how to give love or express his feelings, and his own defense mechanisms from the past hurted me so many times. I had to learn to take care of myself, and that his huge ego hiding his traumatised child are not mine or any other girl to solve.
the super pineapple omg! Our lives are so similar...The exact same description for my life..I understood no matter how much I was rewarding and forgiving of his bad behaviour, a jerk is always a jerk...It pained me a lot to move on but I know I made the right decision
"he needs a therapist" = "well, I dont care for the losses and traumas some people had to live trough, so Im settling for my perfect prince charming who will surely arrive on a white horse"
@@ottojarvonnen2455 oh that's not what I meant at all, first of all I'm not waiting (or settling) for anyone, and for the same reason I cannot be the person some guy is waiting to heal him, he (or she, or anyone really) has to take responsibility for his pain and ask for help, and yes, I can be part of that help, I'd be happy to, but he has to do most of the work, ideally accompanied by a specialist. The thing is, if the person doesn't want to be better, there's not much I can do. No one deserves to be anyone's pushing ball. I hope you get it, people deserves understanding and caring, but not at all costs, sometimes you have to prioritize your own health.
@@ottojarvonnen2455 you have the Icanfixhimitis . Not everyone is equipped with medicines, education or the licence to fix PTSD , BPD , or other psychological issues . Guys will drop women like hot potatoes for much less .
"Bad boys" aren't cute. I knew a bad boy myself and he was one of the most manipulative, arrogant, narcissistic, and pathetic people I've ever met. Avoid them like the plague, no matter how "cool" it may be. Most women who go for the bad boy either get abandoned fast once they find someone "better" (which really means, more vulnerable), or they will stay in a miserable relationship where the only thing the dude has to offer is looks.
Ameer nahh sometimes bad boys can be full on ugly and still break the woman’s heart. A lot of times it can be charisma or sense of humor that ppl seem to be blinded by
@@squeaksqueaken2639 yep. Plenty of women are more interested in personality than looks. My first husband was NOT a looker, but he WAS a talker. I've always been a sucker for a guy who could talk.
feel that, I know a guy like this and he's got a bigger superiority complex than Zeus. and the best thing is, even when he talks a big game and claims he should be a god and is manipulative of nearly anyone because he thinks he's the world's best philosopher, he loses his bravado the second someone else even tries to refute him.
I fell in love with someone who resembles the bad boy trope and it wasn't pretty. I never dated him, but I was definitely someone who internalized the message that the love I could offer him can change him. It was a brutal 4 years since he never quite changed. it was hard for me to continue being a source of support when he would treat his girlfriends terribly behind my back. He would always make himself as the victim.
I met a guy who has something a friend of mine calls "dark charisma", he's so manipulative that I'm expecting to see him in the news as a cult leader in the next three years by now.
Yup. Give me a guy who's HOT, rides the dangerous bikes, BESIDE YOU, and is forthright about his intentions, from the start. Not some cold, "protective" guy, who keeps me "safe", all wrapped up in bubble wrap, and makes me spend all my energy guessing what he's really thinking. TEAM JACOB! Seriously, though, I read the book with my girls, when they were teens, and I think they were terrible for any young woman, as some kind of example of "love."
My ex was a so-called “bad boy” jk he was just abusive and controlling AF. It’s interesting because he used to play the same shit as movie bad boys like his messed up past as an excuse but then he would keep up the same abusive behavior. Glad I got rid of him
also notice how everyone is so quick to forgive these bad boy characters for the most horrible actions (bender in breakfast club sexually assaulting the girl, Damon in tvd murdering hundreds) but find the most petty and nitpicky reasons to hate on female characters (Elena Gilbert, Serena van der woodsen).
To be fair, Elena is probably one of the most annoying main characters I've ever had to spend so many seasons with. Damon was a monster but he least had the decency to be funny. And Serena I didn't like sometimes because she was often hypocritical and judgemental when interacting with Blair. Like yes, Blair was petty and mean-spirited, but Serena wasn't that great either and seemed to think that because she turned a blind eye to the bullying and life ruining schemes going on around her rather than engaging in it, she was so much better than Blair.
This was so aggravating with some Breaking Bad fans. I used to see so many comments from people who were still defending Walter White, actual murderer, by season 5, in which they justified their hatred of Skyler because she smoked while pregnant. Which granted is bad, but like. If that's where the line is on your righteous moral code, you SHOULD loathe every character on the show 🙄
Tim Evans How she was to supposed to took herself out of their lives? Stefan and Damon were literally the one who interfere her life and Stefan was the one who decided to get to know her. And she actually lived in the Mystic Fall her whole life and it was the brothers who decided to move again in this town. Not to mention that she was an ordinary teenager and lost her parents (and then the whole family). I think Elena was actually really brave and handle every situation very well.
When I was a teenager I thought I was a sucker for a bad boy, turns out I’m just a sucker for a guy in a leather jacket who rides a motorcycle and maybe has a European accent
""Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" will always be the most bad boy thing you could say to anyone" Not in context. Rhett Butler had been in love with Scarlett O'Hara for years, but his love was unrequited. By the moment Scarlett decides that she wants him, they are approaching the finale of a failed marriage. As with many of Scarlett's realizations about the people in her life, it is far too late. In many ways, Rhett has given up. By the end of the novel, Rhett is alcoholic, full of grief, and too bitter to care about social behavior. While Scarlett is emotionally hurt by the death of Bonnie Butler (her favorite child), it is a harsher blow to Rhett who was near-obsessively devoted to his daughter.
@@amityislandchum I guess we could even go further back in time and see the Byronic hero as a prototype of the bad boy trope too : he is dark, mysterious, cruel but sad on the inside. It's a kinda different type of bad boy tho.
Interesting theory. I think it certainly works for the outlaw though a lot of cowboy types are too honorable to really be a bad boy. I'm thinking of the cowboy type who is more like the chivalrous knight without a king or the wandering samurai, not the hard-drinking type with the scruffy facial hair who needs to be reminded how to care about people. To me, the difference is that the good cowboy is honorable but knows he doesn't fit in society because he has to kill people/work outside the law for the greater good and the Bad Boy cowboy has more typical bad boy traits and gets reintegrated into society or at least social bonds.
Super Saiyan D yeah in the video I watched a couple years ago covering the trope, Trump was used as an example. I think the video was by pop culture detective or smth like that
Really the “Dean” Bad Boy seems like a genuinely good character. I’m shocked that they actually had themes of repression and male vulnerability like that in the 50s. Really the Bad Boy trope isn’t bad, it’s just that there’s too much emphasis on “bad” in more recent portrayals.
he's the best character in the film, he's not an bad boy. And Natalie Wood (don't remember her name) falls in love with him because he is more sensitive than the boys she dates. there's one film, i guess it's from the same director, called Tea and Sympathy, that focuses on masculinity and has a subtext of homossexuality. Cat on a hot Tin Roof, suddenly last summer, also goes on the same way...
"I’m shocked that they actually had themes of repression and male vulnerability like that in the 50s. " Why? One of the defining tropes of the 1950s was restless youths who were rebelling against society's expectations. Not entirely surprising for the decade most associated in real life with the popularity of rock'n'roll' and a youth culture that was breaking with conventions.
What worries me most about the “bad boy” trope is that it puts the idea into girls’ heads that they can be “the one and only one” to change the bad boy’s behavior or that they’ve his guide. They are a lot “bad boy” type people that I know and I see a lot of girls try to be the one to bring out their “sensitive side” when in reality, they’re just trying to help a lost cause. 🤷♀️
I guess the fandom sort of turned him into bad boy, but in the books and movies I think he's just a plain ol' bully. He is shown no redeeming qualities, and the only thing that could've changed him is literal war.
@@BourbonRose_ not redeeming qualities as such but it was shown that he was under a lot of pressure from his family and later Voldemort and had a cold father(daddy issues once again), so it's easy for the fandom to see him as one(that and Tom Felton's looks).
He's not really a bad boy character. Like, you wouldn't consider Pansy Parkinson a bad girl. Draco and his crew were just assholes, which is not what a bad boy is. A bad boy is more than that and when you get to the root of Draco's character, he isn't one. He's actually kind of a wimp.
Notice how "bad boys" break rules and symbolizes freedom, while Draco use rules and his privilege to bully others. The bad boys in this trope are rebels; Draco is like an alt-right wannabe but is actually a wimp.
My dad tried telling me one time that girls like bad boys, and my response was No, nice girls want bad boys, good women want good men. I told him nice does not imply virtue, but agreeableness. Good women know how to seek out good men and they want them.
Oh boy, I was waiting for this one. I hate this trope so much in books, the always hot bad boy abusive with a "sad" past that finds a innocent girl who will change his life. Girls like nice guys, good people, good human beings. EDIT: just finished watching the video. Thank you for covering all the issues I have with this trope. It's so misleading to young women. YA is full of this guy, and I can't take it anymore. I don't read YA, and when I do, I feel like killing the author.
@@atrainay a nice guy is a nice person, a nice human being. Just like a nice girl is a nice person. So, what you are asking me is what is a nice person? Well, someone who is respectful, considerate, kind, thoughtful, someone who is appreciative, who tries to be the best version of themselves everyday, someone who has empathy for others, someone who does not harm others just because they feel like, just because they can. You know, good people.
I wasn’t attracted to bad boys when I was a teenager and in college but I learned my lesson the hard way. Bad boys are considered more attractive because they are very confident and mysterious.
the confidence always attracts me. but that is most often a cover for a host of severe mental problems, insecurity, depression, attention seeking, narcissism, etc. you need someone who has a quiet confidence and who isnt making a spectacle of themselves.
I don’t know if Zuko even qualifies as a bad boy in the stereotypical sense. While he good at the core and always shown to be worthy of compassion, his more off-putting qualities are never framed as desirable (even Mai has limited tolerance for his excessive grouchiness). While his “daddy issues” are a lot more visceral than most on-screen examples, by the middle of Season 3 he openly admits that seemingly solving those issues didn’t bring him any real satisfaction, and he takes on a much greater sense of personal responsibility to fix his problems.
Zuko at least learned from his mistakes and became a much better person and fully earned a redemption. I don't mind having bad boys/bad girls around IF you can give me reasons to root for them and they change for the better. That's usually the story I like.
Weirdly enough, I think Breaking Bad does a great job showing realistic "bad boys". Walt has a really tragic story, and the viewer really emphasizes with him at first. He turns to crime, and slowly he seems to forget his morals. His worst qualities (controlling, abusive) are suddenly very apparent and his marriage falls apart. Kinda shows how unromantic the idea really is! In Jesse's case, people think he's a bad boy and he tries to be a badass for the sake of surviving as a drug dealer, but he ultimately fails because he is so empathetic and would rather stick up for whats right than what would benefit his image. Just a thought~ (I'm only on season 4)
At 4:49. OMG, so that's where that awful scream of "You're tearing me apart!" from "The Room" originated from. The moron was trying to copy James Dean! :D
Girls, just remember that it is impossible to change someone. Only someone who truly wants to change themselves can change, anything else is either false compromise, or controlling behavior by either partner
The problem I've found with the bad boy trope is the role of being an observer of the bad boy trope. In TV shows and movies we the viewer know or pretty much know Everything that's going on when it comes to the bad boy's past, story arc etc. So when we like them it's from an omnipresent POV which makes their abuse and otherwise unacceptable behavior more palatable because we know where they came from. We see that softer side that is meant to be private and shy which makes viewers think "Hey he's not so bad." which is fine when done right. But that view gets pretty unfair and dangerous when people start looking for Bad boys IRL. We can't see those softer, gentler sides that show emotional depth. We can only see what's in front of us or what the Bad boy wants to show at any given time. That can also mean that for all intents and purposes that those softer moments may very well not exist and they therefore don't have any tangible thing to justify their shitty behavior. They're just shitty, abusive people.
I never liked the "bad boy" when I was a girl my cartoon and kid crushes were Naruto, Cody from Suite Life and Omi and Vash The Stampede. I just didn't get the point of liking an asshole, I still don't
I'm with you, girl! ✋My "types" were always the awkward, shy, nerdy ones. There's just something about them that has always struck me as somewhat endearing. 🤓🥰
I don't think it's so much the badness of the bad boy that draws some people in, it's more of the mysterious nature behind them. That's probably why so many are self insert characters, so the audience can fill in the blanks themselves without actually having to go through the conflicts and struggles that any relationship would take.
Manna-San “Oh, but I can fix him”; “He’s mean to everyone except me, so that makes me feel special”; “He’s dangerous and I’m a goody-two shoes, so it’s exciting” I could go on for days
Sade Lubin Angel kind of fits the trope at first. When we first meet him he’s mysterious, damaged, and has an air of darkness that surrounds him. Also, he’s an anti-heroic vampire. It’s not until we really get to know him that we realize that he’s such a complex and layered character that calling him a bad boy just doesn’t work. He’s not really “bad” or a “boy”.
Spike is though. Always wondered why spike was able to feel love or at least something close to it and have a wide spectrum of all the emotions without soul, when angel was a monstrous psychopath without the soul and with it a brooding tortured ball of endless love and suffering
@@anastasiabelyaeva3898 I think it's because Angel was an asshole before he was turned into a vampire meanwhile Spike was just a romantic loser. Also the writing of the show evolved and turned vampires into more comedic characters and show that not all demons were just simply evil
I think that’s because Spike before he was turned was so sensitive, emotional, insecure and lonely. Those things are reflected in his vampire phase. There’s some others things that happened to make it make more sense, though I don’t want to potentially spoil anything for anyone. But it’s apparent the writers got caught up in the Spike fandom, which is understandable. Angel as a soul-ed vampire is a better person than he was before he was turned and of course as soulless Angelus.
Right? I laughed when I saw Angel on here. He's mysterious in the beginning but as you get to know him you realize that he just doesn't talk because he's so awkward and doesn't know what to say hahaha
i'm a sensitive guy and i get told all the time i'm never gonna find anyone because i'm "too soft" or "too nice". well if that's the case then, i'll go ahead and die alone. i'd rather that than have to change who i am for anyone.
I wish you'd included the part where Elena asks Damon "Why don't you let people see the good in you" and Damon answers "When people see good they expect good and I don't wanna live up to anyone's expectations" this is a great example of why bad boy do things they do, because it's rebellious. But thank you for clearing up that bad boys are only a fantasy and not at all what women want from men.
Pleaseee make the bad girl trope. i think its different from the cool girl because the bad girl is not as "perfect". Instead, they share caracteristics with the bad boy trope like isolating, not opening up, not being able to love, being agresive, being very atractive and mysterious,etc.
Isabel YP And what I find interesting is that the Bad Girl isn’t always forgiven and loved by audiences when we learn about her redeemable qualities. An example of this is Nesta from A Court of Thorns and Roses. She has made a few selfish and horrible decisions, and in the last book ended up drinking and having meaningless sex all the time. Mixed with her extreme good looks, as a Man her character would be loved by audiences, and every questionable characteristic of hers would be forgiven.
@@ameliasadler3772 Exactly so true! "Bad Girls" are not written in a way that makes them cool and worthy of hero-worship. Nobody wants to be on their side. Unlike bad boys and male anti-heroes who are allowed to be a jackass and still be loved by everyone like house md , sherlock and the iron guy
@@ameliasadler3772 MENTIRA, la bad girl SIEMPRE es perdonada y la redimen en cambio el bad boy solo sirve para castigar a las mujeres por sus elecciones y terminar con el "Nice guy"
I always thought that there was a lack of bad girl, anti-heroine characters in media. They won't be seen as "bad girls" that are cool, alluring and redeemable, but as cold-hearted bitches that are unliked and unapproachable. It's a difficult trope for female characters to exist in, but there are very few examples of it.
The Bad Boy is very similar to the Cool Girl in the sense that they are only popular fantasies because they are objectively physically attractive. They would not be popular fantasies if they are not objectively physically attractive.
I think a part of the appeal of the Bad Boy™ that wasn't mentioned here is the fact that he doesn't give in to authority or buy into the idealogical principles enforced by the establishment. Every intelligent person knows that there is a time and place for such a person and without them people literally die. The same persona that's alluring due to how dangerous he is can be the very individual who protects gentler people from real danger. "Bad" can be a subjective term.
I enjoy the modern take on the bad boy I've seen around: The difference between a REAL bad boy and a bad abuser is that a bad boy is often poor or disenfranchised in some way, he want's to protect those that are weaker than him and doesn't follow rules because he feels they are unjust and wants to fight them. A bad abuser is usually wealthy or has a great deal of social clout, he preys on people that are weaker than him and doesn't follow rulers because he feels they don't apply to him. I hope this is how the trope evolves because this keeps what is attractive about the bad boy, his charisma, his mystery, his recklessness and his "cool" factor but minimizes what's toxic and the idea a woman needs to "fix" him. I think there's merit to the idea of subverting this part of the trope, if your character is just rather edgy and not toxic, showing he doesn't need to be "fixed" at all, because his anger is warranted and he doesn't need to become some squeaky clean person who follows the rules and is perfectly integrated into a society that neglected him. I think we need to stop view characters like Christian Grey as "bad boys" because they are just abusive assholes. People may disagree with me and that's fine but I honestly think there's still a lot of potential in this trope, and will continue to utilize elements of it in my writing. I think it's harmful to to tell girls they should sacrifice their personhood for anyone but often what I see in the real world is that men with the toxic traits being described are the ones MOST integrated into society who have been given every opportunity in life. I know this is not always the case, (hence the plethora of homicidal disfranchised "nice guys") but it's just as harmful to teach teen girls to avoid guys with a quiet personality who may have a more nihilistic view of the world (let's be honest the world is very unkind to many many people) while giving a pass to the valedictorians, frat boys, class presidents and the other young men who put on a good front of respectability and kindness while harboring truly insidious traits underneath. Abuse is abuse. Sorry for the long comment, this is my two cents on the issue! I definitely agree a lot of what the trope is currently is toxic but I think there's a core to this idea that has merit and I think THIS is what is attractive about the bad boy! I could be wrong but I never write my male heroes as needing to be "fixed", they are angry for the right reasons, they just may take the wrong approaches to fixing these problem and they must work on this themselves and learn how to channel their anger healthily :)
You're still feeding into the idea that Bad Boys are just guys who can be "rescued" or "fixed" by the right girl, which is not healthy. It's also very weird that you're basically saying poor guys are the "good" kind of Bad Boy, but rich guys are the abusive Bad Boy. Wealth has no place in this conversation. This video perfectly covered the "Bad Boy" traits that are normal and acceptable vs. the "Bad Boy" traits that are abusive or manipulative, so what are you adding by making this distinction based on socioeconomic standing?
@@amityislandchum Where in my argument did I imply the bad boy needed to be saved? I guess it's just that, in my opinion, there's a difference between taking full responsibility for someone's mental and emotional health and loving partners/friends *mutually* helping each other work through their issues while knowing it's ultimately up to each person to resolve their own, possibly with professional help. I reference a love interest because, in my opinion, the bad boy is an inherently romantic trope, and if he is in a story where romance is not one of the central focuses he is an antihero, not a bad boy. (Again, in my personal interpretation). I talk about socioeconomic status because I believe it applies, along with other lenses like race that I'm not equipped to tackle. But what I mean is people within accepted society and people outside of accepted society. The bad boy rebels against a society that has shunned him in one way or another because he knows it is unjust. The bad abuser rebels simply because he wants to and he knows that his privilege will protect him from the consequences of his actions. This is one of the reasons I take issue with how this video portrays the trope, showing those like Christian Grey to be bad boys when, although the writer may have intended them to come off that way, they're really just horrible abusers, and should be called as such. Of course this isn't a hard and fast rule and characters outside of society, like the Joker, can be abusers as well, and privileged characters within society can defend those weaker than them and fight injustice, although these types of characters usually must go through an intense redemption arch to come to this. I have trouble coming up with many examples for this type but Seto Kaiba comes to mind, although he definitely starts out very entitled and abusive. Another reason I take issue with the video is how they claim men like this "don't exist" and that this trope is inherently toxic which in my opinion simply isn't the case. Although any trope or genre can be misused and become harmful, I believe the bones of this trope can be used to create very compelling, realistic characters and desirable love interests of any gender, (although it's use up to now has been very hetronormative) I also take issue for the reason I listed above: the way this video is framed gives a pass to abusers who are prominent members of society who hold high social status and have a front of kindness and respectability. I definitely don't think either of them believe this but taking this video on it's own that's the impression I get at least. This is why I felt compelled to make my comment but this is all just my opinion based on my study of fiction and personal experiences. I still enjoy the video but I wanted to give my perspective :)
Yeah, considering that both the original movie and the musical both showed a bad boy that has a shitty backstory and is cool, but when he does something shitty (like kill) it doesn’t excuse them, it just explain them
Just because someone has been through a traumatic or bad childhood experience it doesn't mean they are destined to be bad. Self-awareness and growth from your trauma can make you a decent human being and just because someone has been through something traumatic as I have it shouldn't be used to fully excuse anyone's behaviour, intentions or way of thinking. You can grow past those traumatic experiences or stay stagnant and shitty. It's up to the person in the end and no one else.
Your words would have really made sense if parental figures were never such gutless pussies. The world imo needs more people like my late grandparents who decide to have a lack of care for that their health problems for the sake of making somebody's trauma never last forever
I've always loved bad boys in fiction, but never had any interest or attraction to bad boys in real life. I think most women are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
Yeah, the line can be blurred sometimes though. Usually these guys are so annoying that women just don't like them, but if they're more manipulative or nicer/funnier/hotter than you would expect, then women end up falling for them
You mean like romeo and juliete, enemies that arens suposed to love each other ? ... gundam has a thropes of that lol, war falling in love with the daugher of your enemy lol, they end tho death tho .... ALL THE TIME xD
09:20 I'm not sure I entirely agree with that "rule". The bad boy has to have some sort of 'extraordinary' thing going on. But it doesn't have to be looks. Earlier examples this clip gave like House or the guy from the Breakfast Club (can't believe I forgot his name) are definitely not bad looking guys by any means, but I wouldnt go as far as to call them extraordinarily good looking. House was a genius and the Breakfast Club dude was funny and had hidden layers to him. But because of a lot of classic bad boys from movies and shows (those were two examples), I wouldn't say that the hotness rule is actually the most fundamental rule as was stated here.
Ok so how you have done about how Betty and Veronica in Riverdale are a new better versions of the Nice Girl and the Rich Girl you could say that Jughead is the new better version of The Bad Boy. he embodies some of the characteristics you described like the fact he is mysterious and brooding and intellectual, wears dark colours and leather jackets and is in a gang and rides a motorbike and has the tragic backstory of having a broken family but actually he is fiercely loyal to his friends and family, treats Betty right and is faithful to her, is kind, caring, compassionate (even though he would deny it) and only uses violence as a last resort and tends to use his brain and his intelligence first before his fists. This video just made me think of this subversion. When you look at it Archie is the bad boy but he's framed as the good guy. He is the boy next door, he's on the football team and has a loving family. He plays music and has these dreams but actually when you watch Riverdale, Archie has a lot of anger issues and he treats Veronica and most of his friends like crap. He thinks with his fists first a lot of the time and is always quick to jump to conclusions and hates anything that is a threat to the status quo. Archie is kind of awful.
Good call! I thought the same thing, he’s kind of a deconstruction of the bad boy trope in that you might think that at first glance, but he has a lot of qualities that contradict your usual bad boy.
As taylor swift once said: "You got that James Dean daydream look in your eye And I got that red lip, classic thing that you like And when we go crashing down, we come back every time 'Cause we never go out of style, we never go out of style You've got that long hair slick back, white t-shirt And I got that good girl faith and a tight little skirt And when we go crashing down, we come back every time 'Cause we never go out of style, we never go out of style"
Honestly it's sad to hear young especially girls say "I don't care if he punches me as long as he's hot" when watching movies with bad boys in them. That's just degrading.
For years women called me a "Nice guy" even tho I told them i didn't like the label, because it wasn't true, I was just "me" y'know? But still, many partners broke things off because they felt I was "too nice" for them and that they didn't deserve me, which surprised at first but made sense, since many of their ex's were duche bag guys who treated them like crap, NOW I know it's the fault of our media and the social conditioning of our society as a WHOLE that they felt they deserved someone that treated them bad or that they felt they couldn't be mean me. I obviously gave my perspective on who I was (not a "Nice" guy" not a "bad boy" just me) and that they could just be themselves with me and that we didnt need labels. It never worked so i tried acting like a "bad boy" but it didn't feel right either so eventually I learned to just be myself and to be with someone who accepted me for who I was which is the MOST freeing relationship I've been in 😁😌 Now that I'm much older I realize for some people that's what they believe they need, a "bad boy" and that's THEY'RE truth and its wrong to talk them out of it or to try to fit what they need if it doesnt come natural because its better (and less exhausting 🙄) to be with someone who accepts you for who you are then to fit someone else's IDEA of who they want and there's someone for EVERY personality type out there so no need to force it 😊👍🏿
There were a couple guys I broke up with who I'd consider "too nice" for me. Of course , this is because I have the personality of a steamroller, sometimes, and if there wasn't enough fire or will in them to keep up, I'd either get bored, or feel like a bitch, so I'd end it so they could find someone more suited to them.
I needed to hear this. due to being depressed and not having a lot of confidence, I was the "Too nice guy" then when women told me they saw me as a "friend" I started hating women and decided to be that "bad boy" even though it didn't feel authentic, and now I'm realizing that instead of finding a woman who will like me, I've always tried to figure out what kind of guy the woman I liked wanted to be with, and tried to be that for her. a lot of men suffer from trying to be the person that they feel they have to be versus the person they want to be.
@@ChaoticButterfly i have a bit of the same, and I've learned that some people like that? just because someone's tame doesn't necessarily mean they want their partners to be tame. case in point my aunt and uncle. he is gentle and even keeled as they come, and she is the wild child. but they've been married for at least 15 years. as for boredom, that isn't always a bad boy/good boy thing. i've met both boring good boys and bad boys, and interesting good boys and bad boys. however it's usually assumed that the guy who isn't in your face about his last trip to spain where he got this interesting tattoo is boring, meanwhile that guy just doesn't need to tell everyone that he just made a hundred thousand off of shorting WTI futures.
exactly, dont be someone else for someone's validation and care. whoever loves you will love you as you are. ofc we all try to be better people for ourselves first to live peaceful and happy life but our personality, values and goals should be personal and you either are compatible or not no matter the feelings you got for that person❤ when you real, no matter how long it takes, you find true love. You build over something strong.
When I was a teenager I landed up dating the 'bad boys'. But over the years, I realized that it's a toxic relationship, as I needed to be 'bad' to feel approved. I landed up smoking and drinking much more than I would. You can't fix a bad boy, they have to fix themselves
That's true, I find it funny how Mark Hamill initially became famous for playing Luke Skywalker, who the complete opposite of a "Bad Boy", only to turn around and play the villainous Joker just a few years later! 🃏😂
Han Solo vs. Luke Skywalker is a great way to compare the Bad Boy vs. Nice Guy tropes. Luke was originally written as the love interest for Princess Leia in ANH. But audiences were more interested in Han and Leia, so that plan was scrapped in the next movie, and the Han/Leia love story took off. In A New Hope, Luke pulls all the classic Nice Guy moves (treats Leia like his reward, acts possessive of her when Han brings her up, obsesses over her based on only seeing her once) while Han pulls these classic Bad Boy with a Heart of Gold moves. Easy to see why people preferred Han with Leia.
Or, very simply which character was better looking, and seemed to also have the personality to go with his looks? Also, who also retained those good looks/personality, into mature age? I will give you all 3 guesses, and the first two don't count! P.S. I am not a Star Wars fan, but my money is on Han!!
10:55 so we're admitting the bad boy is written to be more realistic with some redeeming qualities so the audience can like him while the nice guy is intentionally written as a boring one-dimensional geek with no redeeming qualities so the audience can feel justified in hating him??
I mean just look at why they did with Superman. He's just a chill a guy, kinda naive, but still someone you wanna hang out with.. But no right now is either Evil or the boring angsty, Batman wannabe.
Damon was my favorite because of his redemption arc. Watching him struggle with his low self esteem was sad at first but by the end of the show, he became the hero. TBH, I was upset that the show runners didn't resolve his friendship with Alaric instead of focusing entirely on his endgame with Elena
I’d love to see an analysis of Rhett Butler. He’s an interesting Bad Boy because though he is presented as a Bad Boy, throughout the movie the people he has the most respect for are women (like Melanie and Belle) and has contempt for nearly all the men around him. Scarlett wasn’t the one to redeem him but his daughter Bonnie.
Bad boys are just good looking Nice Guys so they can get away with their bs easier and don't have to put that much effort to lure women in. But they share the same mindset towards relationships.
I'm less uncomfortable with the Cool Girl, because her traits don't encourage women to engage in abusive behaviour -- even though the trope has a lot of problems.
Eh, dunno about that. I feel the Mean Girl is closer to being a female equivalent. She may be attractive and APPEAR to follow the rules, but deep beneath that, she is manipulating them. The Bad Boy does the same thing, only he appears to go outside the rules.
Great video btw. I have one issue: while Tony Stark had the embodiment of a bad boy (i. e. Daddy issues, playboy, a jerk to a lot of people), Pepper was not the reason why he got his acts together. It was the fact that his weapons were being used by terrorists to kill innocent civilians that led to his heel-face turn. Even before his H-F turn, Tony was pretty much a grey character. Again, awesome video!
I think Heathers' JD is my favorite bad boy of fiction, probably because he seems like a close mach what an actual bad boy is in real life: a loner which no one dares to approach, a very dangerous and troubled individual, and above all, a bad person
I'm glad you put this up. I always thought the bad boy trope was toxic. I never noticed women who actively pursue bad boys but some women happen to end up with one. And when they do they may not leave because of what they saw on TV or a movie where he was changed with love. I wonder how many girls would like a bad boy if he weren't handsome.
It's worth noting whose POV these character tropes are often seen through. Bad Boy is often seen from someone else's POV (the girl who wants them, the boy who's jealous of them) and it is when we see the world from their perspective that the badness breaks down.
Could do without the playboy part tbh (and obv he’s much different by the end). I know this is a more lighthearted comment, but I always hated how they threw that part in in the first Avengers like they were touting it was a good thing.
Jess is THE WORST. I've never understood his popularity. His arrogance and rudeness is off the charts, and until he basically turns into a totally different character in s5, he's really unlikeable.
I mean he's basically an abused child who's suddenly expected to function properly after being neglected his entire life. It's just the fault of the writing that this isn't more front and center.
Tommy Shelby from "Peaky Blinders" is a quite recent addition to the most stereotypical Bad Boy trope: handsome - check, charismatic - check, intelligent - check, silent and mysterious - check, redeeming qualities (war hero, caring for his family) - check, sleeping around but 'saved' by true love - check. I've had countless discussions with my partner about the toxicity of this character and how so little of it it noticed. Most of my friends and most of articles I read find him cool, desirable and see him as a hero, not antihero. I am all up for antihero story and it's ok to be fascinated or attracted to such character, but with Tommy Shelby the writers continue to set him on the 'good side' and with all the actions he commits, it is never framed as something past Moral Event Horizon. I also think that in "Peaky Blinders" and similar shows the simplified MEH is sexual violence (physical) - 'good baddies' don't commit it, 'bad baddies' are rapists and sexual abusers - such thinking can lead viewers into false safety of their positive opinion of actually abusive characters. And it is a show from just a few years ago (last season from 2019) - how aren't we smarter already?
When that phrase was coined “dark” meant “non-pasty white guy with brown/black hair” like Clark Gable (Rhett in Gone with the Wind) but it can be pretty confusing now
@@lilybaker732" “non-pasty white guy with brown/black hair” like Clark Gable (Rhett in Gone with the Wind) " While I like Gable as an actor, he did not have the right skin tone to play Rhett Butler. In the novel, Rhett is described as dark-skinned or "swarthy", with "dark alert eyes". At another point, Rhett is described as "dark of face, swarthy as a pirate, and his eyes were as bold and black as any pirate's appraising a galleon to be scuttled or a maiden to be ravished".
It's fascinating / odd how Bad Boys are often allowed to have redemption arcs, but Bad Girls less so. For example, Avatar: The Last Airbender, T.V. show, Azula & Zuko.
There are ways to break past social convention but in a good way. Like when a flashmob suddenly breaks into dance in some space where normally people just walk grayly through, that's kinda "breaking the rules" in a good way.
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Thank you for doing this trope :). Love your videos. As a follow up to your tough girl trope. What about Scrappy girl? Often more vicious, and a discussion on girlhood and power. X-23, Hit Girl, Spinelli etc.
Thank you for doing this video! ❤️ Can you please do "LGBTQA" Plus Stereotypes in the media, or "The Fat Girl" Trope? 😁
I hate when movies like "The Kissing Booth" or "50 Shades" try to play off abusive behaviour as "romantic" or "charming", when really it's just controlling and damaging in the long term. 😔💔
I couldn't believe Kissing Booth when I saw it! Was depressed and worried it's so popular with teen girls.
Right 🤢🤢 I watched a few minutes of 50 shades and turned it off
I dont think its "playing off" anything its just some womens fantasy for that kind of stuff. After all it started as just a twilight fan fiction someone wrote for fun lol
I watched "The Kissing Booth" because my pre-teen nieces were super into it, and I was HORRIFIED. They never call out the guy's abusive behaviors for what they are. He's shown as the hero despite at least a dozen clearly abusive and controlling actions. The gratuitous sex scenes (and use of the word "fucking" to describe it) is also incredibly inappropriate for a movie whose prime demographic is 8-14 years old. (50 Shades is also bad, but at least it isn't marketed to children!)
Netflix in general has no quality control for their original movies, because they aren't going through the MPAA like theatrical movies. I don't agree with all of the MPAA's practices, but they at least have proper regulations for movies made for kids. Netflix keeps adapting awful Wattpad stories written by teenagers who have no concept of fantasy vs. reality. Another popular teen movie of theirs, "After," also depicted an abusive relationship.
Something really needs to change with Netflix's practices. They should at least have to have the same MPAA ratings guidelines as all other movies.
sharksandsheep what did he do? I watched it once and I skipped through most parts cause it was so boring. I don’t really remember what he did anymore.
Also I think u should tell ur nieces to not take these Netflix movies too seriously. Somehow all of these Netflix originals are just for pure entertainment and can absolutely NOT be taken seriously. U should watch “Sierra Burgess is a loser” or “To all the boys I loved before 2”. They try to be deep and meaningful but (to me) just come across as ridiculous and quite shallow.
I think its hilarious edward cullen was shaped to be a bad boy when he is the biggest goodie two shoes, bella is trying to jump him every five sentences and he is like nah too risky
Yeah. I dont understand his place in thie video. Perhaps Klaus from The Originals would be a better option, or they shouod have focused more on Damon Salvatore.
@@a.d.w8385 I think they just chose to use those clips because, yk, at first sight Edward is totally the James-Dean-wannabe bad boy type. He visually fits the description they were giving, but his character doesn`t really match the archetype if you go much deeper than that - so they don`t even verbally address him.
Everything about Edward that could make him a bad boy is either A. other students going LOOK AT THAT COOL GUY WHAT A BAMF HE`S HOT or B. him being an actual blood-sucking vampire.
Spot on. The Take has no idea what they're talking about. It's like they hired a handful of junior college english majors to write their crappy video essay scripts.
Some sociopath s use sex as weapon
I think his chastity prior to marriage was simply the christian/mormon element of the fantasy coming into play. Who cares if he enters your room without your knowledge/permission and watches you sleep, follows you around, wants to drink your blood, etc as long as he's not trying to get into your pants, amiright?
I feel like bad boys are to girls what cool girl is to guys. For example, arrogancy is only attractive if a guy's features are attractive just like cool girl's somewhat "manly" behavior is attractive as long as she is extremely good looking.
Just like every guy likes the idea of the cool girl, most girls like the idea of the bad boy, but that's the thing- they're both ideas and don't actually exist
@Frida Bradbrook watch the take video on cool girls you will understand.
Frida Bradbrook I don’t think so. Cool girls are actually what guys want, while girls don’t really want bad boys, they just like the idea of them. In the end, girls actually want sweet nice guys. Bad boys are just there to fulfill their fantasy of being able to change a guy.
You're absolutely right. Perfect way of explaining it.
I agree, I never considered those two archetypes to be two sides of the same coin, but you're absolutely correct! 👏🏽Neither type actually exists, but we may love the mere IDEA of them.
Again i disagree. I've met both. Also attractiveness is subjective.
The bad boy's true appeal goes like this actually: "He's a monster to everyone but me, I'm the sole recipient of his love and kindness, and that makes me ultra-special as a girl".
THIS is what women and girls should be reminded of around this trope: self-validation is pointless if it means destroying your life (and that of your kids) in the process. Why? Because validating a man's behavior by rewarding it with affection and sex makes you complicit and part of the problem, not the solution.
I'm writing a story and that statement (kinda) defines the main character love interest. But he's also the villain. The hero at one point gives him the option, he becomes the good guy he is to her to everyone else or he can go on with what he's doing without her.
I don't think this is true for every pairing. I think when the Good Girl tries to change the Bad Boy, it's partially about the fantasy of being able to make a reckless/unwise decision without negative consequences. But when "Not Like Other Girls" Girl meets the Bad Boy, it's definitely what you're talking about. It's the difference between a character who wants to change the bad boy and one who likes him the way he is, as long as he's sometimes nice to HER.
It's also prominent in male fantasies for female characters now. The tiny, brunette with the mean or outright psychotic behavior who is secretly soft and loving on the inside despite being nothing but a monster in both action and belief. But she's hot and only loves the male protagonist who breaks through her shell. And, because she's typically written by male authors as a male fantasy, she's praised as being well written and realistic while her identical male counterparts are rightly derided.
Alrune La Brune couldn’t agree more
You are correct.
Moral of the story: Bad boys, nice guys, cool girls, weird girls, tough girls, no matter which type you are, you MUST be attractive or else people would just ignore or bully you
That is how life works yes, it's why flying under the radar is the most underrated thing in existence. Even if you are good looking you have to deal with being on top and be judged harder for failing.
Used to get bullied and beaten, switched schools became an unknown and life got so much better until I became the "best friend trope". And for the first time I actually enjoyed life, I got mostly female friends and I didn't ever have to worry about any romantic pressure since they didn't find me attractive while they liked me because I never once tried to get in their pants or kiss them. Sure I would get "one day some girl is going to be so lucky to find a guy like you". And I would just politely smile and secretly be grateful I never had to deal with the headaches.
Cause while I knew how to be a good friend I would be terrible at relationships. I don't understand it, the idea that some poor woman would have to deal with being miserable because I have no idea on how to treat women as romantic partners or as sexual beings. It would be cruel of me to put someone through it. Cause I know having heard intimate stories from all of my female friends that they have needs I would not be able to satisfy, one moment it takes too long, next too fast, then your not being gentle enough and in the next they hook up with some guy that they don't like but is good at choking them. It sounds like a timebomb waiting to happen. I like being around women, their beautiful, kind, nurturing, much smarter and complex than myself, and I enjoy getting a good hug or a touch that isn't sexual, but caring. But once their in the mode of wanting a mate they are so all over the place it's like they become someone else.
@@dcworld4349 bro you need some self respect. It's good that you're not friendly just for sex, but like you ain't as horrible.
I actually watched a Netflix show once, in which they had a social experiment. There were two teams, and both were given the same story of a criminal but one team was presented with the mugsshot of someone pretty, and the other team of someone who wasn't. The teams were supposed to give a sentence, and as you can guess it, in all three cases the good looking person had a better sentence. Hot privilige is real.
@@inferiorinferno8859 100% agree, that's why I dress up everywhere I go
@@mikimartinez9178 I remember a "What would you do?" episode in which a guy and a girl sit at a bar. You see the guy putting something in the girl's drink while she's in the bathroom. What would you do? They did the same set up but in 1 scenarios, the girl dressed respectably and in the other scenario, she was wearing a short, night club kind of dress. More people stepped in to help when she dressed more respectably. So do think of your outfit carefully!
The saddest part of the whole bad boy fantasy is that most girls get really hooked by this type of men and irl things are not so idealized and perfect. It can lead to many bad experiences out of naive beliefs instilled in us by fictional and romance stories
I know, more impressionable viewers get so swept up into this Trope. Guys watching may think that treating a girl horribly is the best way to get her to fall for you, while girls are simply swept up in the fantasy of an exciting rebel who livens up their mundane existence. Sadly, it can have devastating consequences in real life. 😢
En then girls ask the nice guy why do other guys keep breaking her heart.
@@Clubsandwich2 nope, we're past that shit. We know what nice guys are now
Very true!! My very own experience was in my son's dad (from high school) and my then boyfriend (now husband)
I was dropping off my son with his dad, I got of the car and we were listening to Ed Sheeran songs and when I opened my ex's door to put my son's bag in, the song "born to be wild" was playing 🤣🤣 I remember thinking "yup... Sounds about right."
@@Clubsandwich2 Clearly you need to watch the video on "Nice Guys" by this channel, because that's what you sound like. Spoiler alert: you aren't actually nice.
I've kinda gotten bored of this character type honestly. When someone describes a character as mysterious, I think of those claw machine boxes. You could get a hundred dollars, or a crappy plastic whistle.
The mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat!
best reply ever written. Everyone, go home.
And 9 times out of 10, you get a crappy plastic whistle.
It depends what the story does with him. Basically they have to follow up on the intrigue or else it’s a let down.
haha oh damn awesome comparison :D
suggestion: The Femme Fatale Trope
Yes please! I have been wanting so see a video on that topic for so long.
I third this request! The spear counterpart to the Bad Boy, just like The Nice Guy and The Good Girl, which they analysed both of recently. 🥰
YES!!
Yay!
Eve from Adam and Eve? Potential originator
Something they missed was that a pretty clear clue of a “bad boy” is friends will usually say phrases like “you shouldn’t get mixed up with him” or “you can do better”
The bad boy will usually say those kinds of things himself.
@@TheSongwritingCat About themselve? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of being a bad boy?
Lol. And the women NEVER listen. They think they'll be different. Stupid. I've seen them come and go so many times.
@Withy Octopus oops found the incel
TheSongwritingCat oh my god yes !
Bad boy: *is rude, inconsiderate, offensive, manipulative, toxic, sometimes abusive and violent*
Writers: ah yes, perfect boyfriend material for our innocent female protagonist
esos no son bad boys
enyacoladas So true, so true
@@Rivenlore99 no
The Love Redemption trope is what feeds this as pointed out in the video. Trying to "fix" your partner is not gonna work. If they don't want to change for the better all your efforts are pointless. And if by some miracle you can change them will it stick when you aren't around?
@@edcrichton9457 ese es el problema, el enfoque de que una mujer los curara
The best deconstruction of the bad boy is JD from Heathers,hands down.
Totally, my thoughts exactly! I love how Veronica gradually realizes just HOW insane and twisted her bad boy J. D. really is, and that she would have been better off without him. This is best summed up in her quote "You know what I want, babe? Cool guys like you out of my life"! 😎🚬
JD works because he's not transformed or redeemed, Veronica realizes that he's insane.
It also helps that even though he has a sad backstory, the movie made very clear that he’s still a psychopath regardless because his murder has absolutely nothing to do with his life except he enjoys it.
And then the musical went and fucked it all up by turning him into some sad Lifetime movie character who literally gives his life "because he loves Veronica so much." 🙄 The musical fanbase is full of girls who think JD is just a poor, misunderstood sweetheart who they'd love to fix.
sharksandsheep that’s precisely why I have a problem with the musical; it’s exactly what the movie was deconstructing and parodying and the fandom is full of impressionable young girls who don’t realize that
*Wattpad books have entered the chat*
Oh, don't even get me started on how much I hate how Wattpad stories usually romancise dickish behaviour. I'm looking at you, "The Kissing Booth"! 😤
and then he looked at me with seducing blue eyes and said " i am a vampire"
🤢
After is for sure the worst one
Julieta Rodas 😂😂😂😂
This reminded me if in vampire diaries Elena said "I'm not going to judge you Damon" and he exclaimed "STOP DEFENDING ME!".
lovelyte yes, Damon is very self aware
Damon and Elena's relationship was seriously toxic and really it was only popular because teen girls wanted to experience that bad boy fantasy. When I watched TVD as a teen I loved Damon and Elena but now when I rewatch it in my 20s I hate them together.
Lolol I just started watching the show I’m half way through but honestly? All the characters have killed/have questionable morals so...I’m not gonna judge
@@bunnygutz7884 Stop defending them!
@@fashionhistoryhub it wasn't toxic tho, as it is said in this video, damon had a good side in him. Even Elena said she fell for him because he did something selfless
That’s one of the things I loved about The Good Place; it dismissed having a bad childhood as an excuse to treat others like trash.
If more shows did that, the world would be a better place
@@RandomSkyeRoses Bojack Horseman did the same thing.
@@PhoenixRising87 And that's why it's a good show!
Kind reminds me of a B99 quote: “Cool motive, still murder.”
"it dismissed having a bad childhood as an excuse to treat others like trash."
In fiction, as in real life, many characters have traumatic childhoods. Not all of them choose to retaliate on other humans.
The Joker has his "one bad day" as an excuse: “All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.”
The problem is that other characters have gone through their own bad days, and they are still far from evil or insane.
Even when I was younger, I instinctly rooted for the kinder, gentler half of a love triangle. I always hated how the "bad boy" half of the triangle treated the heroine and then I would always yell at the screen GO FOR THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY TREATS YOU WITH GENIUNE KINDESS I SWEAR TO GOD
Shoujo Ka Dyan Same OMG all the books, movies, manga, and kdramas where they go for the broken “bad boy”. My theory is that a bad boy provides more tension and plot whereas dating the nice love interest would turn the film into a fluff fest (which don’t get me wrong, could also be great, there are stories where everyday events can be interesting)
It yeah, irl, romance doesn’t have to be all sparks and fire and heartbreak. It can be quiet and kind.
@@gwenythice7230 Gwenyth Ice I don't know if you are familiar with the K-Drama Extraordinary You but it basically deconstructs (sometimes mocks) romance webtoon tropes. A couple of characters become self-aware and start to make fun of the clichés of the plot and their characters. The main triangle has the bad guy and the sweet, nice guy. The sweet guy realizes eventually he's basically a plot device to move along the heroine and the bad boy's romance. It hit me hard, man! My Second Lead Syndrome went nuts.
@@shoujokadyan5502 That's one of my top favourite dramas! Have you watched School 2015 though? My Second Lead Syndrome went into overdrive at the ending
@@shoujokadyan5502 that sounds really fun! (or heartbreaking for the sweet guy, idk) They just need a car *nearly* hitting someone every episode, and then like an anti-amnesia plot twist and my kdrama trope lampshading desires will be complete. That's going in my watchlist, I love 4th wall breaking. Thanks for the rec!
@@gwenythice7230 You're welcome! Oh, man. You will love Extraordinary You. The best thing about it is (without giving out spoilers) is that they did subvert the whole bad-boy-gets-the-heroine trope (but not in the way you think). It was really satisfying to see.
I think calling The Joker a “bad boy” might be something of an understatement.
Richard Metclaf yeah committing multiple murders and domestic abuse goes beyond called “bad boy”
He's an outright villain.
I think it was labeled like that because in the last Suicide squad films they tried to play the bad boy angle for him and Harley Queen
@@perlasmermaid5812 That is the worse thing I have ever heard
They mostly showed him when talking about how some "bad boys" end up just being abusive assholes with no redeeming qualities. He was being used to contrast those like Han Solo or Tony Stark.
Basically, as long as you're attractive you can get anyone. Let's start having realistic perceptions on love with equal respect for each other.
Angelika Torres - I like that idea.✨
Sounds like a plan. 🙂
👏👏
Can't really happen as long as love is a chemical imbalance your brain creates without you knowing it before it's too late to stop them. The best you can hope for is what you find beyond just being very attractive, are traits you deeply connect to in a person that is right for you. The problem is that is rare, which is why most relationship and marriages end within the first 3-7 years, since that is how long it takes for the drugs to be out of your system.
Asexual people aren't deceived by looks over character traits as much.
I volunter at an at-risk youth center and this video is so important for me to show to my girls when we talk about abuse in relationships and setting boundaries for themselves (once this quarantine is over I want to show them this video) please tell me how I can submit portuguese subtitles for you to put in this video, so we can reach more people with this content.
You Are Awesome! ❤️ Keep Setting Good Examples Of Relationships To These Kids ❤️❤️
@Rute Pina Bless you for your dedication to helping the youth becoming more self-aware! I wish you the best! 👏😊
I would love to show this also!
To add subtitles, go to the gear box, select subtitles, then click "add subtitles." Then you can add them yourself from there.
How did you find an at risk youth center to volunteer at?
My ex was the whole bad boy stereotype: troubled past and daddy issues made him cold, reckless, arrogant and attractive, he even had the redemption factor (he actually is a caring empathic man). The thing is, a bad boy doesn't need a girlfriend, he needs a therapist.
My ex didn't know how to give love or express his feelings, and his own defense mechanisms from the past hurted me so many times. I had to learn to take care of myself, and that his huge ego hiding his traumatised child are not mine or any other girl to solve.
the super pineapple omg! Our lives are so similar...The exact same description for my life..I understood no matter how much I was rewarding and forgiving of his bad behaviour, a jerk is always a jerk...It pained me a lot to move on but I know I made the right decision
"he needs a therapist" = "well, I dont care for the losses and traumas some people had to live trough, so Im settling for my perfect prince charming who will surely arrive on a white horse"
@@ottojarvonnen2455 oh that's not what I meant at all, first of all I'm not waiting (or settling) for anyone, and for the same reason I cannot be the person some guy is waiting to heal him, he (or she, or anyone really) has to take responsibility for his pain and ask for help, and yes, I can be part of that help, I'd be happy to, but he has to do most of the work, ideally accompanied by a specialist.
The thing is, if the person doesn't want to be better, there's not much I can do. No one deserves to be anyone's pushing ball.
I hope you get it, people deserves understanding and caring, but not at all costs, sometimes you have to prioritize your own health.
"I had to learn to take care of myself"
whereas what you really wanted was for a masculine man to take care of you
@@ottojarvonnen2455 you have the Icanfixhimitis . Not everyone is equipped with medicines, education or the licence to fix PTSD , BPD , or other psychological issues . Guys will drop women like hot potatoes for much less .
„When people show you who they are, just believe them.“
"Bad boys" aren't cute. I knew a bad boy myself and he was one of the most manipulative, arrogant, narcissistic, and pathetic people I've ever met. Avoid them like the plague, no matter how "cool" it may be. Most women who go for the bad boy either get abandoned fast once they find someone "better" (which really means, more vulnerable), or they will stay in a miserable relationship where the only thing the dude has to offer is looks.
Ameer nahh sometimes bad boys can be full on ugly and still break the woman’s heart. A lot of times it can be charisma or sense of humor that ppl seem to be blinded by
@@squeaksqueaken2639 yep. Plenty of women are more interested in personality than looks. My first husband was NOT a looker, but he WAS a talker. I've always been a sucker for a guy who could talk.
feel that, I know a guy like this and he's got a bigger superiority complex than Zeus. and the best thing is, even when he talks a big game and claims he should be a god and is manipulative of nearly anyone because he thinks he's the world's best philosopher, he loses his bravado the second someone else even tries to refute him.
I fell in love with someone who resembles the bad boy trope and it wasn't pretty. I never dated him, but I was definitely someone who internalized the message that the love I could offer him can change him. It was a brutal 4 years since he never quite changed. it was hard for me to continue being a source of support when he would treat his girlfriends terribly behind my back. He would always make himself as the victim.
I met a guy who has something a friend of mine calls "dark charisma", he's so manipulative that I'm expecting to see him in the news as a cult leader in the next three years by now.
Edward is not a Bad Boy. He's a very vanilla control freak 🙃
Jaycie Victory Exactly, wearing black doesn’t make you a bad boy.
Yup. Give me a guy who's HOT, rides the dangerous bikes, BESIDE YOU, and is forthright about his intentions, from the start. Not some cold, "protective" guy, who keeps me "safe", all wrapped up in bubble wrap, and makes me spend all my energy guessing what he's really thinking.
TEAM JACOB!
Seriously, though, I read the book with my girls, when they were teens, and I think they were terrible for any young woman, as some kind of example of "love."
I told my girls, "Even if a guy is telling you NOT to do something that you SHOULDN'T be doing... he's still telling you what to do."
So basically Ross from Friends
lool true
My ex was a so-called “bad boy” jk he was just abusive and controlling AF. It’s interesting because he used to play the same shit as movie bad boys like his messed up past as an excuse but then he would keep up the same abusive behavior. Glad I got rid of him
I'm glad you got rid of him too, you don't deserve that
Classic manipulation tactic.
congrats sis
Thanks! Yeah I’m so glad life is much better without him
And then people dismiss the stories as fiction??
also notice how everyone is so quick to forgive these bad boy characters for the most horrible actions (bender in breakfast club sexually assaulting the girl, Damon in tvd murdering hundreds) but find the most petty and nitpicky reasons to hate on female characters (Elena Gilbert, Serena van der woodsen).
The only reason they attack the female character because they wish they was them
@Tim Evans yeah, I mean, Blair Waldorf is, by far, the meanest and pettiest, and everybody loves her.
To be fair, Elena is probably one of the most annoying main characters I've ever had to spend so many seasons with. Damon was a monster but he least had the decency to be funny. And Serena I didn't like sometimes because she was often hypocritical and judgemental when interacting with Blair. Like yes, Blair was petty and mean-spirited, but Serena wasn't that great either and seemed to think that because she turned a blind eye to the bullying and life ruining schemes going on around her rather than engaging in it, she was so much better than Blair.
This was so aggravating with some Breaking Bad fans. I used to see so many comments from people who were still defending Walter White, actual murderer, by season 5, in which they justified their hatred of Skyler because she smoked while pregnant. Which granted is bad, but like. If that's where the line is on your righteous moral code, you SHOULD loathe every character on the show 🙄
Tim Evans How she was to supposed to took herself out of their lives? Stefan and Damon were literally the one who interfere her life and Stefan was the one who decided to get to know her. And she actually lived in the Mystic Fall her whole life and it was the brothers who decided to move again in this town. Not to mention that she was an ordinary teenager and lost her parents (and then the whole family). I think Elena was actually really brave and handle every situation very well.
When I was a teenager I thought I was a sucker for a bad boy, turns out I’m just a sucker for a guy in a leather jacket who rides a motorcycle and maybe has a European accent
So, JD?
Yep, same
I've realised I'm into emotionally unavailable 😞
"Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" will always be the most bad boy thing you could say to anyone
Rhettttttt! ❤❤❤😭😭😭
It’s iconic.
Best scene in the whole movie
Never watched the movie, but I remember it in 30 seconds bunny and oh.. boy, it just felt like the ultimate roast.
""Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" will always be the most bad boy thing you could say to anyone"
Not in context. Rhett Butler had been in love with Scarlett O'Hara for years, but his love was unrequited. By the moment Scarlett decides that she wants him, they are approaching the finale of a failed marriage. As with many of Scarlett's realizations about the people in her life, it is far too late. In many ways, Rhett has given up.
By the end of the novel, Rhett is alcoholic, full of grief, and too bitter to care about social behavior. While Scarlett is emotionally hurt by the death of Bonnie Butler (her favorite child), it is a harsher blow to Rhett who was near-obsessively devoted to his daughter.
I always thought that the bad boy trope was an offspring from the "cowboy" (loner, outlaw but loyal at heart)
It could be like with Han Solo, but more often than not it's just an excuse for attractive men to be abusive jerks.
Old Westerns often didn't have a romantic subplot at all, but I'd agree that cowboys count as an early prototype of the Bad Boy trope.
@@amityislandchum I guess we could even go further back in time and see the Byronic hero as a prototype of the bad boy trope too : he is dark, mysterious, cruel but sad on the inside. It's a kinda different type of bad boy tho.
Interesting theory. I think it certainly works for the outlaw though a lot of cowboy types are too honorable to really be a bad boy. I'm thinking of the cowboy type who is more like the chivalrous knight without a king or the wandering samurai, not the hard-drinking type with the scruffy facial hair who needs to be reminded how to care about people. To me, the difference is that the good cowboy is honorable but knows he doesn't fit in society because he has to kill people/work outside the law for the greater good and the Bad Boy cowboy has more typical bad boy traits and gets reintegrated into society or at least social bonds.
Like doc holiday
Ah, the “lovable misogynist”
Example 1: Donald Trump.
Super Saiyan D Trump isn’t lovable 😆
@@nainarai8377 To the people who elected him, maybe.
Super Saiyan D yeah in the video I watched a couple years ago covering the trope, Trump was used as an example. I think the video was by pop culture detective or smth like that
@@SuperSaiyanD48 Trump is ugly, and doesn't have a "touch of good" so he's not a bad boy. The "mustache twirling villain" trope fits him much better.
Really the “Dean” Bad Boy seems like a genuinely good character. I’m shocked that they actually had themes of repression and male vulnerability like that in the 50s.
Really the Bad Boy trope isn’t bad, it’s just that there’s too much emphasis on “bad” in more recent portrayals.
he's the best character in the film, he's not an bad boy. And Natalie Wood (don't remember her name) falls in love with him because he is more sensitive than the boys she dates.
there's one film, i guess it's from the same director, called Tea and Sympathy, that focuses on masculinity and has a subtext of homossexuality.
Cat on a hot Tin Roof, suddenly last summer, also goes on the same way...
Yep
"I’m shocked that they actually had themes of repression and male vulnerability like that in the 50s. "
Why? One of the defining tropes of the 1950s was restless youths who were rebelling against society's expectations. Not entirely surprising for the decade most associated in real life with the popularity of rock'n'roll' and a youth culture that was breaking with conventions.
I was going to say this, he wasn't bad, just lost
What worries me most about the “bad boy” trope is that it puts the idea into girls’ heads that they can be “the one and only one” to change the bad boy’s behavior or that they’ve his guide. They are a lot “bad boy” type people that I know and I see a lot of girls try to be the one to bring out their “sensitive side” when in reality, they’re just trying to help a lost cause. 🤷♀️
I'm waiting out the COVI19 self-quarantine period by watching your videos, so thank you for making this pandemic more tolerable
I agree, the main perk of the Quarantine is that RUclipsrs are continuing to put out their incredible content! 👏🏽💚
Trina Q yep for sure. ❤️
There is a saying that every boy wants a good girl that will only be bad with him and every girl wants a bad boy that will only be good to her.
Dash Rubberbear Sounds about right.
Do they want s guy who's an asshole to everybody
@@SuperBigdude77 Yes
I was surprised Draco Malfoy wasn’t mentioned, the ultimate bad boy of my childhood
I guess the fandom sort of turned him into bad boy, but in the books and movies I think he's just a plain ol' bully. He is shown no redeeming qualities, and the only thing that could've changed him is literal war.
@@BourbonRose_ not redeeming qualities as such but it was shown that he was under a lot of pressure from his family and later Voldemort and had a cold father(daddy issues once again), so it's easy for the fandom to see him as one(that and Tom Felton's looks).
He's not really a bad boy character. Like, you wouldn't consider Pansy Parkinson a bad girl.
Draco and his crew were just assholes, which is not what a bad boy is. A bad boy is more than that and when you get to the root of Draco's character, he isn't one. He's actually kind of a wimp.
Notice how "bad boys" break rules and symbolizes freedom, while Draco use rules and his privilege to bully others. The bad boys in this trope are rebels; Draco is like an alt-right wannabe but is actually a wimp.
Draco is more the rich brat than any other trope.
My dad tried telling me one time that girls like bad boys, and my response was No, nice girls want bad boys, good women want good men. I told him nice does not imply virtue, but agreeableness. Good women know how to seek out good men and they want them.
Interesting point
My cat is clearly a 'bad boy' - Always acting mean/scary, yet coming to me for cuddles
hahaha
Oh boy, I was waiting for this one. I hate this trope so much in books, the always hot bad boy abusive with a "sad" past that finds a innocent girl who will change his life.
Girls like nice guys, good people, good human beings.
EDIT: just finished watching the video. Thank you for covering all the issues I have with this trope. It's so misleading to young women. YA is full of this guy, and I can't take it anymore. I don't read YA, and when I do, I feel like killing the author.
What's a nice guy to you?
I thought many women considered nice guys as absolute pussies
@@atrainay a nice guy is a nice person, a nice human being. Just like a nice girl is a nice person. So, what you are asking me is what is a nice person? Well, someone who is respectful, considerate, kind, thoughtful, someone who is appreciative, who tries to be the best version of themselves everyday, someone who has empathy for others, someone who does not harm others just because they feel like, just because they can. You know, good people.
@@HAL-vm3wn how did you come to that conclusion? You watched it on TV?
@@ambrosia_fragments oh yeah, you're right. Because there is also the "nice guy" trope. I didn't mean them. I meant a genuinely good person.
I wasn’t attracted to bad boys when I was a teenager and in college but I learned my lesson the hard way. Bad boys are considered more attractive because they are very confident and mysterious.
NoProfile I think she was trying to write “was attracted”, not wasn’t
Attractive men are confident
@Tim Evans creature wow.
more like cocky and secretive irl
the confidence always attracts me. but that is most often a cover for a host of severe mental problems, insecurity, depression, attention seeking, narcissism, etc. you need someone who has a quiet confidence and who isnt making a spectacle of themselves.
So Bo Burnham was right "they want a good boy a bad boy a good/bad boy a half bad half good halfboy"
Sky Valentino and men want a girly girl a cool girl a half bad half good cool girly halfgirl
Bo Burnham is ALWAYS right so jot that down
I want someone who treats me like a human and is a nice person to everyone. A normal guy if you will.
The outside is the badboy, but the inside has a heart of gold, and calls his mother regularly.
@@paceymoran6617 no, men only want a hot, normal and mentally stable girl.
The talko: "it is fun to break rules"
Me, who cannot even go against the dress code: "ya"
*the take
"The woman at the counter gave me the cup but I drank it straight out of the bottle."
"Cool."
Your life sounds sad
Zuko. Daddy issues, angry, attractive, kind (relationship with iroh), and has morals before having the most iconic redemption arc. The ideal bad boy
omg I love himm
I don’t know if Zuko even qualifies as a bad boy in the stereotypical sense. While he good at the core and always shown to be worthy of compassion, his more off-putting qualities are never framed as desirable (even Mai has limited tolerance for his excessive grouchiness).
While his “daddy issues” are a lot more visceral than most on-screen examples, by the middle of Season 3 he openly admits that seemingly solving those issues didn’t bring him any real satisfaction, and he takes on a much greater sense of personal responsibility to fix his problems.
Zuko at least learned from his mistakes and became a much better person and fully earned a redemption. I don't mind having bad boys/bad girls around IF you can give me reasons to root for them and they change for the better. That's usually the story I like.
Also a fictional character. Do not use as real-life inspiration.
The ultimate bad-boy? George Costanza, because he's bad at everything
LMAO
Haha, yes, this adds another layer of meaning to the term "Bad Boy"! 🤣
Except picking up women somehow.
🤣
True lol
Weirdly enough, I think Breaking Bad does a great job showing realistic "bad boys". Walt has a really tragic story, and the viewer really emphasizes with him at first. He turns to crime, and slowly he seems to forget his morals. His worst qualities (controlling, abusive) are suddenly very apparent and his marriage falls apart. Kinda shows how unromantic the idea really is! In Jesse's case, people think he's a bad boy and he tries to be a badass for the sake of surviving as a drug dealer, but he ultimately fails because he is so empathetic and would rather stick up for whats right than what would benefit his image. Just a thought~ (I'm only on season 4)
I've never seen it, but apparently in season 5 one of them does something bad, idk the name of the character though
At 4:49. OMG, so that's where that awful scream of "You're tearing me apart!" from "The Room" originated from. The moron was trying to copy James Dean! :D
Yup! Apparently James Dean is Tommy Wiseau's idol, and Tommy tries to model his acting on Dean!
In my head I always putting Lisa at the end - although Dean never said that but Wiseau did
In the movie "Disaster Artist" which is a film about the making of that movie, it's mentioned how much he admired James Dean. So it fits.
Oh, hi Mark.
Daamnit, Tommy!🤣🤣🤣
Girls, just remember that it is impossible to change someone. Only someone who truly wants to change themselves can change, anything else is either false compromise, or controlling behavior by either partner
Yet most have to figure that out the hard way.
F*** them let him suffer
The problem I've found with the bad boy trope is the role of being an observer of the bad boy trope.
In TV shows and movies we the viewer know or pretty much know Everything that's going on when it comes to the bad boy's past, story arc etc. So when we like them it's from an omnipresent POV which makes their abuse and otherwise unacceptable behavior more palatable because we know where they came from. We see that softer side that is meant to be private and shy which makes viewers think "Hey he's not so bad." which is fine when done right.
But that view gets pretty unfair and dangerous when people start looking for Bad boys IRL. We can't see those softer, gentler sides that show emotional depth. We can only see what's in front of us or what the Bad boy wants to show at any given time. That can also mean that for all intents and purposes that those softer moments may very well not exist and they therefore don't have any tangible thing to justify their shitty behavior. They're just shitty, abusive people.
The Joker is not a "bad boy". A "bad boy" is good at heart. There's nothing good about the Joker
Thank yoooou
Will Nelson exactly
Try convince that to Harley Quinn.
Which is why he was used when they mentioned that some aren't actually "bad boys" but are just abusive assholes with no redeeming qualities.
they literally addressed that in the video
I never liked the "bad boy" when I was a girl my cartoon and kid crushes were Naruto, Cody from Suite Life and Omi and Vash The Stampede. I just didn't get the point of liking an asshole, I still don't
I'm with you, girl! ✋My "types" were always the awkward, shy, nerdy ones. There's just something about them that has always struck me as somewhat endearing. 🤓🥰
Insecurities.
I don't think it's so much the badness of the bad boy that draws some people in, it's more of the mysterious nature behind them. That's probably why so many are self insert characters, so the audience can fill in the blanks themselves without actually having to go through the conflicts and struggles that any relationship would take.
Manna-San “Oh, but I can fix him”; “He’s mean to everyone except me, so that makes me feel special”; “He’s dangerous and I’m a goody-two shoes, so it’s exciting” I could go on for days
It's a fantasy. It makes you feel special for being the only one who can change him.
Angel isn't a bad boy. He's just stoic and awkward. Whereas Angelus is just a sociopath through and through.
Sade Lubin Angel kind of fits the trope at first. When we first meet him he’s mysterious, damaged, and has an air of darkness that surrounds him. Also, he’s an anti-heroic vampire. It’s not until we really get to know him that we realize that he’s such a complex and layered character that calling him a bad boy just doesn’t work. He’s not really “bad” or a “boy”.
Spike is though. Always wondered why spike was able to feel love or at least something close to it and have a wide spectrum of all the emotions without soul, when angel was a monstrous psychopath without the soul and with it a brooding tortured ball of endless love and suffering
@@anastasiabelyaeva3898 I think it's because Angel was an asshole before he was turned into a vampire meanwhile Spike was just a romantic loser. Also the writing of the show evolved and turned vampires into more comedic characters and show that not all demons were just simply evil
I think that’s because Spike before he was turned was so sensitive, emotional, insecure and lonely. Those things are reflected in his vampire phase. There’s some others things that happened to make it make more sense, though I don’t want to potentially spoil anything for anyone. But it’s apparent the writers got caught up in the Spike fandom, which is understandable. Angel as a soul-ed vampire is a better person than he was before he was turned and of course as soulless Angelus.
Right? I laughed when I saw Angel on here. He's mysterious in the beginning but as you get to know him you realize that he just doesn't talk because he's so awkward and doesn't know what to say hahaha
i'm a sensitive guy and i get told all the time i'm never gonna find anyone because i'm "too soft" or "too nice". well if that's the case then, i'll go ahead and die alone. i'd rather that than have to change who i am for anyone.
Respect. 👍🏿
Yes. Changing yourself for women is simping.
I wish you'd included the part where Elena asks Damon "Why don't you let people see the good in you" and Damon answers "When people see good they expect good and I don't wanna live up to anyone's expectations" this is a great example of why bad boy do things they do, because it's rebellious. But thank you for clearing up that bad boys are only a fantasy and not at all what women want from men.
The key is in his appearance. When start knowing a person with those characteristic most people end up living.
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Pleaseee make the bad girl trope. i think its different from the cool girl because the bad girl is not as "perfect". Instead, they share caracteristics with the bad boy trope like isolating, not opening up, not being able to love, being agresive, being very atractive and mysterious,etc.
Isabel YP And what I find interesting is that the Bad Girl isn’t always forgiven and loved by audiences when we learn about her redeemable qualities. An example of this is Nesta from A Court of Thorns and Roses. She has made a few selfish and horrible decisions, and in the last book ended up drinking and having meaningless sex all the time. Mixed with her extreme good looks, as a Man her character would be loved by audiences, and every questionable characteristic of hers would be forgiven.
@@ameliasadler3772 Exactly so true! "Bad Girls" are not written in a way that makes them cool and worthy of hero-worship. Nobody wants to be on their side. Unlike bad boys and male anti-heroes who are allowed to be a jackass and still be loved by everyone like house md , sherlock and the iron guy
@@ameliasadler3772 MENTIRA, la bad girl SIEMPRE es perdonada y la redimen en cambio el bad boy solo sirve para castigar a las mujeres por sus elecciones y terminar con el "Nice guy"
@@ameliasadler3772 Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bad Girl come under Mean Girl Trope?
I always thought that there was a lack of bad girl, anti-heroine characters in media. They won't be seen as "bad girls" that are cool, alluring and redeemable, but as cold-hearted bitches that are unliked and unapproachable. It's a difficult trope for female characters to exist in, but there are very few examples of it.
The Bad Boy is very similar to the Cool Girl in the sense that they are only popular fantasies because they are objectively physically attractive. They would not be popular fantasies if they are not objectively physically attractive.
I think a part of the appeal of the Bad Boy™ that wasn't mentioned here is the fact that he doesn't give in to authority or buy into the idealogical principles enforced by the establishment. Every intelligent person knows that there is a time and place for such a person and without them people literally die.
The same persona that's alluring due to how dangerous he is can be the very individual who protects gentler people from real danger.
"Bad" can be a subjective term.
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I enjoy the modern take on the bad boy I've seen around: The difference between a REAL bad boy and a bad abuser is that a bad boy is often poor or disenfranchised in some way, he want's to protect those that are weaker than him and doesn't follow rules because he feels they are unjust and wants to fight them. A bad abuser is usually wealthy or has a great deal of social clout, he preys on people that are weaker than him and doesn't follow rulers because he feels they don't apply to him.
I hope this is how the trope evolves because this keeps what is attractive about the bad boy, his charisma, his mystery, his recklessness and his "cool" factor but minimizes what's toxic and the idea a woman needs to "fix" him. I think there's merit to the idea of subverting this part of the trope, if your character is just rather edgy and not toxic, showing he doesn't need to be "fixed" at all, because his anger is warranted and he doesn't need to become some squeaky clean person who follows the rules and is perfectly integrated into a society that neglected him. I think we need to stop view characters like Christian Grey as "bad boys" because they are just abusive assholes. People may disagree with me and that's fine but I honestly think there's still a lot of potential in this trope, and will continue to utilize elements of it in my writing.
I think it's harmful to to tell girls they should sacrifice their personhood for anyone but often what I see in the real world is that men with the toxic traits being described are the ones MOST integrated into society who have been given every opportunity in life. I know this is not always the case, (hence the plethora of homicidal disfranchised "nice guys") but it's just as harmful to teach teen girls to avoid guys with a quiet personality who may have a more nihilistic view of the world (let's be honest the world is very unkind to many many people) while giving a pass to the valedictorians, frat boys, class presidents and the other young men who put on a good front of respectability and kindness while harboring truly insidious traits underneath. Abuse is abuse.
Sorry for the long comment, this is my two cents on the issue! I definitely agree a lot of what the trope is currently is toxic but I think there's a core to this idea that has merit and I think THIS is what is attractive about the bad boy! I could be wrong but I never write my male heroes as needing to be "fixed", they are angry for the right reasons, they just may take the wrong approaches to fixing these problem and they must work on this themselves and learn how to channel their anger healthily :)
Boreal Forest Witch exactly there is more nuance to the bad boy. The abuser should be a different trope entirely.
You're still feeding into the idea that Bad Boys are just guys who can be "rescued" or "fixed" by the right girl, which is not healthy. It's also very weird that you're basically saying poor guys are the "good" kind of Bad Boy, but rich guys are the abusive Bad Boy. Wealth has no place in this conversation.
This video perfectly covered the "Bad Boy" traits that are normal and acceptable vs. the "Bad Boy" traits that are abusive or manipulative, so what are you adding by making this distinction based on socioeconomic standing?
I donno. I think I just like the leather to be honest. Just make a nice sweet caring guy wearing a good leather jacket and I’m set.
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@@amityislandchum Where in my argument did I imply the bad boy needed to be saved? I guess it's just that, in my opinion, there's a difference between taking full responsibility for someone's mental and emotional health and loving partners/friends *mutually* helping each other work through their issues while knowing it's ultimately up to each person to resolve their own, possibly with professional help. I reference a love interest because, in my opinion, the bad boy is an inherently romantic trope, and if he is in a story where romance is not one of the central focuses he is an antihero, not a bad boy. (Again, in my personal interpretation).
I talk about socioeconomic status because I believe it applies, along with other lenses like race that I'm not equipped to tackle. But what I mean is people within accepted society and people outside of accepted society. The bad boy rebels against a society that has shunned him in one way or another because he knows it is unjust. The bad abuser rebels simply because he wants to and he knows that his privilege will protect him from the consequences of his actions. This is one of the reasons I take issue with how this video portrays the trope, showing those like Christian Grey to be bad boys when, although the writer may have intended them to come off that way, they're really just horrible abusers, and should be called as such. Of course this isn't a hard and fast rule and characters outside of society, like the Joker, can be abusers as well, and privileged characters within society can defend those weaker than them and fight injustice, although these types of characters usually must go through an intense redemption arch to come to this. I have trouble coming up with many examples for this type but Seto Kaiba comes to mind, although he definitely starts out very entitled and abusive.
Another reason I take issue with the video is how they claim men like this "don't exist" and that this trope is inherently toxic which in my opinion simply isn't the case. Although any trope or genre can be misused and become harmful, I believe the bones of this trope can be used to create very compelling, realistic characters and desirable love interests of any gender, (although it's use up to now has been very hetronormative) I also take issue for the reason I listed above: the way this video is framed gives a pass to abusers who are prominent members of society who hold high social status and have a front of kindness and respectability. I definitely don't think either of them believe this but taking this video on it's own that's the impression I get at least.
This is why I felt compelled to make my comment but this is all just my opinion based on my study of fiction and personal experiences. I still enjoy the video but I wanted to give my perspective :)
I’m seeing an extreme lack of JD in the thumbnail
Yes, J. D. is THE iconic Bad Boy, and yet he doesn't become good in the end, but is just as screwed up and twisted than he initially seemed!
I'm guessing you don't mean JD from Scrubs 😂
@@jaycievictory8461 I would love them to do a video on scrubs or just medical dramas i general house etc.
@@jaycievictory8461 ahaha nah they mean JD from heathers
Yeah, considering that both the original movie and the musical both showed a bad boy that has a shitty backstory and is cool, but when he does something shitty (like kill) it doesn’t excuse them, it just explain them
Just because someone has been through a traumatic or bad childhood experience it doesn't mean they are destined to be bad. Self-awareness and growth from your trauma can make you a decent human being and just because someone has been through something traumatic as I have it shouldn't be used to fully excuse anyone's behaviour, intentions or way of thinking. You can grow past those traumatic experiences or stay stagnant and shitty. It's up to the person in the end and no one else.
THIS
Your words would have really made sense if parental figures were never such gutless pussies. The world imo needs more people like my late grandparents who decide to have a lack of care for that their health problems for the sake of making somebody's trauma never last forever
I've always loved bad boys in fiction, but never had any interest or attraction to bad boys in real life. I think most women are smart enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
Same. I don't confuse characters with real life.
Yeah, the line can be blurred sometimes though. Usually these guys are so annoying that women just don't like them, but if they're more manipulative or nicer/funnier/hotter than you would expect, then women end up falling for them
No
I agree
Nope it's a natural instincts
A good trope to discuss is the Villainous Crush relationship trope. I wanna know why movies and books write those characters in such positions
What's that and do you have examples because I legit don't know what you mean
es un buen tropo
You mean like romeo and juliete, enemies that arens suposed to love each other ? ... gundam has a thropes of that lol, war falling in love with the daugher of your enemy lol, they end tho death tho .... ALL THE TIME xD
09:20 I'm not sure I entirely agree with that "rule". The bad boy has to have some sort of 'extraordinary' thing going on. But it doesn't have to be looks. Earlier examples this clip gave like House or the guy from the Breakfast Club (can't believe I forgot his name) are definitely not bad looking guys by any means, but I wouldnt go as far as to call them extraordinarily good looking. House was a genius and the Breakfast Club dude was funny and had hidden layers to him. But because of a lot of classic bad boys from movies and shows (those were two examples), I wouldn't say that the hotness rule is actually the most fundamental rule as was stated here.
I agree!
I thought that claim was odd too. Especially since Saul Goodman popped up on screen shortly after they said it.
Top of a hierarchy, the defining feature of a bad boy.
True. I don't think Hugh Grant is actually good looking, but he is CHARMING.
I think attractiveness is a better word because that does encompss more than just the looks.
the man who is standoffish and rude to everyone else but sweet to you does not exist. if he’s a jerk he’s a jerk
Ok so how you have done about how Betty and Veronica in Riverdale are a new better versions of the Nice Girl and the Rich Girl you could say that Jughead is the new better version of The Bad Boy. he embodies some of the characteristics you described like the fact he is mysterious and brooding and intellectual, wears dark colours and leather jackets and is in a gang and rides a motorbike and has the tragic backstory of having a broken family but actually he is fiercely loyal to his friends and family, treats Betty right and is faithful to her, is kind, caring, compassionate (even though he would deny it) and only uses violence as a last resort and tends to use his brain and his intelligence first before his fists. This video just made me think of this subversion.
When you look at it Archie is the bad boy but he's framed as the good guy. He is the boy next door, he's on the football team and has a loving family. He plays music and has these dreams but actually when you watch Riverdale, Archie has a lot of anger issues and he treats Veronica and most of his friends like crap. He thinks with his fists first a lot of the time and is always quick to jump to conclusions and hates anything that is a threat to the status quo. Archie is kind of awful.
Good call! I thought the same thing, he’s kind of a deconstruction of the bad boy trope in that you might think that at first glance, but he has a lot of qualities that contradict your usual bad boy.
I thought of him too. I really like him, and those characteristics are what makes people feel drawn to him
As taylor swift once said:
"You got that James Dean daydream look in your eye
And I got that red lip, classic thing that you like
And when we go crashing down, we come back every time
'Cause we never go out of style, we never go out of style
You've got that long hair slick back, white t-shirt
And I got that good girl faith and a tight little skirt
And when we go crashing down, we come back every time
'Cause we never go out of style, we never go out of style"
Tony Stark is the bad boy of the MCU? Did you forget about Loki?
Loki is more of a angry young manzzz
Honestly it's sad to hear young especially girls say "I don't care if he punches me as long as he's hot" when watching movies with bad boys in them.
That's just degrading.
@bizkitgto pardon?
If someone punches me, I would punch them back hhh
Men who justifies like any abusive trait, blaming it onto biology... Scary af.
@@eldron29-a54 men are usually the ones to come to the rescue lol its women who say, "i can make my own decision, dont tell me what to do"
Why do you think they say things like that
For years women called me a "Nice guy" even tho I told them i didn't like the label, because it wasn't true, I was just "me" y'know? But still, many partners broke things off because they felt I was "too nice" for them and that they didn't deserve me, which surprised at first but made sense, since many of their ex's were duche bag guys who treated them like crap, NOW I know it's the fault of our media and the social conditioning of our society as a WHOLE that they felt they deserved someone that treated them bad or that they felt they couldn't be mean me. I obviously gave my perspective on who I was (not a "Nice" guy" not a "bad boy" just me) and that they could just be themselves with me and that we didnt need labels. It never worked so i tried acting like a "bad boy" but it didn't feel right either so eventually I learned to just be myself and to be with someone who accepted me for who I was which is the MOST freeing relationship I've been in 😁😌 Now that I'm much older I realize for some people that's what they believe they need, a "bad boy" and that's THEY'RE truth and its wrong to talk them out of it or to try to fit what they need if it doesnt come natural because its better (and less exhausting 🙄) to be with someone who accepts you for who you are then to fit someone else's IDEA of who they want and there's someone for EVERY personality type out there so no need to force it 😊👍🏿
There were a couple guys I broke up with who I'd consider "too nice" for me. Of course , this is because I have the personality of a steamroller, sometimes, and if there wasn't enough fire or will in them to keep up, I'd either get bored, or feel like a bitch, so I'd end it so they could find someone more suited to them.
I needed to hear this. due to being depressed and not having a lot of confidence, I was the "Too nice guy" then when women told me they saw me as a "friend" I started hating women and decided to be that "bad boy" even though it didn't feel authentic, and now I'm realizing that instead of finding a woman who will like me, I've always tried to figure out what kind of guy the woman I liked wanted to be with, and tried to be that for her. a lot of men suffer from trying to be the person that they feel they have to be versus the person they want to be.
@@ChaoticButterfly i have a bit of the same, and I've learned that some people like that? just because someone's tame doesn't necessarily mean they want their partners to be tame. case in point my aunt and uncle. he is gentle and even keeled as they come, and she is the wild child. but they've been married for at least 15 years. as for boredom, that isn't always a bad boy/good boy thing. i've met both boring good boys and bad boys, and interesting good boys and bad boys. however it's usually assumed that the guy who isn't in your face about his last trip to spain where he got this interesting tattoo is boring, meanwhile that guy just doesn't need to tell everyone that he just made a hundred thousand off of shorting WTI futures.
exactly, dont be someone else for someone's validation and care. whoever loves you will love you as you are. ofc we all try to be better people for ourselves first to live peaceful and happy life but our personality, values and goals should be personal and you either are compatible or not no matter the feelings you got for that person❤ when you real, no matter how long it takes, you find true love. You build over something strong.
Nice means lame bud.
Yes, pick a good, moral man. Don't waste your time on lust and trying to change someone. Pick your best friend and have a satisfying marriage.
When I was a teenager I landed up dating the 'bad boys'. But over the years, I realized that it's a toxic relationship, as I needed to be 'bad' to feel approved. I landed up smoking and drinking much more than I would. You can't fix a bad boy, they have to fix themselves
What made them bad boys? What did they do?
@@JolPil they were very aggressive and violent. Their ego was too much. They lacked kindness and looked as kindness as weakness.
Harrison Ford: I am the coolest bad boy in cinema
Mark Hamill: Laughs manaiacly
That's true, I find it funny how Mark Hamill initially became famous for playing Luke Skywalker, who the complete opposite of a "Bad Boy", only to turn around and play the villainous Joker just a few years later! 🃏😂
Han Solo vs. Luke Skywalker is a great way to compare the Bad Boy vs. Nice Guy tropes. Luke was originally written as the love interest for Princess Leia in ANH. But audiences were more interested in Han and Leia, so that plan was scrapped in the next movie, and the Han/Leia love story took off.
In A New Hope, Luke pulls all the classic Nice Guy moves (treats Leia like his reward, acts possessive of her when Han brings her up, obsesses over her based on only seeing her once) while Han pulls these classic Bad Boy with a Heart of Gold moves.
Easy to see why people preferred Han with Leia.
@@amityislandchum Which is why I loved Han as a teenager too, lol!
Or, very simply which character was better looking, and seemed to also have the personality to go with his looks? Also, who also retained those good looks/personality, into mature age? I will give you all 3 guesses, and the first two don't count! P.S. I am not a Star Wars fan, but my money is on Han!!
10:55 so we're admitting the bad boy is written to be more realistic with some redeeming qualities so the audience can like him while the nice guy is intentionally written as a boring one-dimensional geek with no redeeming qualities so the audience can feel justified in hating him??
Humble Roots I think so. After all the bad boy is supposed to be an object of lust.
That's sad, but I think many times it happens lol
I mean just look at why they did with Superman.
He's just a chill a guy, kinda naive, but still someone you wanna hang out with..
But no right now is either Evil or the boring angsty, Batman wannabe.
Bingo!
Damon was my favorite because of his redemption arc. Watching him struggle with his low self esteem was sad at first but by the end of the show, he became the hero. TBH, I was upset that the show runners didn't resolve his friendship with Alaric instead of focusing entirely on his endgame with Elena
Same, I was so sad when their friendship never went back to the way it used to be
...and this is how you end up in an abusive relationship
I’d love to see an analysis of Rhett Butler. He’s an interesting Bad Boy because though he is presented as a Bad Boy, throughout the movie the people he has the most respect for are women (like Melanie and Belle) and has contempt for nearly all the men around him. Scarlett wasn’t the one to redeem him but his daughter Bonnie.
Jennifer Wright not to mention he was deferential to Mammy (this is shown more in the book)
This feels like a subtype of the Nice Guy.
They're two sides of the same coin.
More like a distant cousin or sibling than a nice guy subclass to me
@@crod9905 Agreed.
Bad boys are just good looking Nice Guys so they can get away with their bs easier and don't have to put that much effort to lure women in. But they share the same mindset towards relationships.
16:30 it's an extremely dangerous myth. Especially combined with socializing girls to be ever giving care-takers.
@Black Knight Fool Dude, we get it. You hate lesbians. Go away. lol
The Bad Boy is just the male version of Cool Girl for women.
except the cool girl is girls being taught to be ok with being mistreated and the bad boy is boys being taught to mistreat women.
The Mean Girl
nah, cool girls are just a variation of i'm not like other girls.
I'm less uncomfortable with the Cool Girl, because her traits don't encourage women to engage in abusive behaviour -- even though the trope has a lot of problems.
Eh, dunno about that. I feel the Mean Girl is closer to being a female equivalent. She may be attractive and APPEAR to follow the rules, but deep beneath that, she is manipulating them. The Bad Boy does the same thing, only he appears to go outside the rules.
Great video btw. I have one issue: while Tony Stark had the embodiment of a bad boy (i. e. Daddy issues, playboy, a jerk to a lot of people), Pepper was not the reason why he got his acts together. It was the fact that his weapons were being used by terrorists to kill innocent civilians that led to his heel-face turn. Even before his H-F turn, Tony was pretty much a grey character. Again, awesome video!
I think Heathers' JD is my favorite bad boy of fiction, probably because he seems like a close mach what an actual bad boy is in real life: a loner which no one dares to approach, a very dangerous and troubled individual, and above all, a bad person
4:51 you're tearing me apart Lisa!
I'm glad you put this up. I always thought the bad boy trope was toxic. I never noticed women who actively pursue bad boys but some women happen to end up with one. And when they do they may not leave because of what they saw on TV or a movie where he was changed with love. I wonder how many girls would like a bad boy if he weren't handsome.
It's worth noting whose POV these character tropes are often seen through. Bad Boy is often seen from someone else's POV (the girl who wants them, the boy who's jealous of them) and it is when we see the world from their perspective that the badness breaks down.
The only bad boi we stan is Tony stark and that's cos he's a genius , billionaire , playboy , philanthropist
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So because he's basically Batman
Naah
Could do without the playboy part tbh (and obv he’s much different by the end). I know this is a more lighthearted comment, but I always hated how they threw that part in in the first Avengers like they were touting it was a good thing.
he's a war profiteer that didn't realize weapons hurt ppl until he was like 50
Suggestion: The moral guy (Peeta Mellark, Edward Cullen, Stephen Salvatore, Frodo Baggins)
(my kind of man) 😏
@Black Knight Fool I am really confused by your comment.
Ignore him, that guy has some serious issues. All his comments are like that.
He even edited it. That's what the comment looks like AFTER he tried to clarify it.
I'm confused what Happened in the reply section-
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Watching Gilmore Girls when I was younger I was so attracted to Jess but now I’m like “you aren’t special or misunderstood sit down”
Jess is THE WORST. I've never understood his popularity. His arrogance and rudeness is off the charts, and until he basically turns into a totally different character in s5, he's really unlikeable.
I mean he's basically an abused child who's suddenly expected to function properly after being neglected his entire life. It's just the fault of the writing that this isn't more front and center.
Do the edgy girl please! (Effy Stonem, Maeve Wiley...)
I love your videos❤️
Tommy Shelby from "Peaky Blinders" is a quite recent addition to the most stereotypical Bad Boy trope: handsome - check, charismatic - check, intelligent - check, silent and mysterious - check, redeeming qualities (war hero, caring for his family) - check, sleeping around but 'saved' by true love - check. I've had countless discussions with my partner about the toxicity of this character and how so little of it it noticed. Most of my friends and most of articles I read find him cool, desirable and see him as a hero, not antihero. I am all up for antihero story and it's ok to be fascinated or attracted to such character, but with Tommy Shelby the writers continue to set him on the 'good side' and with all the actions he commits, it is never framed as something past Moral Event Horizon. I also think that in "Peaky Blinders" and similar shows the simplified MEH is sexual violence (physical) - 'good baddies' don't commit it, 'bad baddies' are rapists and sexual abusers - such thinking can lead viewers into false safety of their positive opinion of actually abusive characters. And it is a show from just a few years ago (last season from 2019) - how aren't we smarter already?
When mentioning the Bad guy and Good girl trope, you can't forget Danny & Sandy from Grease
I've never liked bad boys becuase they seem like a lot of extra effort and I'm lazy... also I don't want to be abused.
Tbh🤣
Haha
i think you forgot about the most important bad boy: rodrick
you missed out on an opportunity to play timothée chalamet saying “good girl”
omg where?!?!
That sounds like he's talking to a dog 😭
I absolutely love how you take examples from the classics of the 30's and 40's as well as modern movies! Great stuff!
The Take: "He's usually tall, dark and handsome"
Also the take: *hasn't shown a single dark character prior to saying this* 😂😂
When that phrase was coined “dark” meant “non-pasty white guy with brown/black hair” like Clark Gable (Rhett in Gone with the Wind) but it can be pretty confusing now
@@lilybaker732" “non-pasty white guy with brown/black hair” like Clark Gable (Rhett in Gone with the Wind) "
While I like Gable as an actor, he did not have the right skin tone to play Rhett Butler. In the novel, Rhett is described as dark-skinned or "swarthy", with "dark alert eyes".
At another point, Rhett is described as "dark of face, swarthy as a pirate, and his eyes were as bold and black as any pirate's appraising a galleon to be scuttled or a maiden to be ravished".
dark actually meant broody 😂
These are great, i would love a manic pixie dream girl trop explained!
Also, great to see both Sinatra and Martin in one image, the best jazz singers of all time!
It's fascinating / odd how Bad Boys are often allowed to have redemption arcs, but Bad Girls less so. For example, Avatar: The Last Airbender, T.V. show, Azula & Zuko.
solo en ese programa amigo, las bad girls las redimen y los bad boy los derriten, olvidan voltron?
There are ways to break past social convention but in a good way. Like when a flashmob suddenly breaks into dance in some space where normally people just walk grayly through, that's kinda "breaking the rules" in a good way.