The discussion of 'depends on player effort' is very much a translation thing. A lot of the literal interpretations of Japanese phrases and just the typical verbiage used can be seen as teasing or baiting when taken at face value. Nomura is probably just saying that 'we'll have to play (and complete) the game to find out' which does take some effort. He's saying this to give us hope... which is sweet if not for his ominous surprise at our shock. So I personally don't think there are going to be multipule endings. KH has never been that kind of gaming experience.
A while ago, I noticed that Larxene and Luxord’s eye color changed from blue to yellow, not unlike a couple of other Organization XIII members who happen to be half Xehanort. But just now I noticed a different, even smaller detail changed. Their zippers on their coats changed to match that of Luxu and the Master of Masters. If you look closely, you can see an X-like sigil on each zipper. Anyone who played KH3D should know how significant hidden X’s on clothes can be.
Same! I don't see an alternate ending happening either, since that would be inconclusive to a story chapter that is supposed to *conclude this arc* -- which Nomura confirmed it would.
This could be like when you fight Leon or Cloud, either you win you gain the exp, if you lose, you continue on. With Aqua would be, either Riku or Mickey helps her, if they win the fight, Riku can make a Deep Dive and release Aqua's Darkness, if not, she would be a seeker of darkness
Its Actually sad to see her become someone she would never be, she had a soft heart and cared for her friends,seeing her not caring and being evil will break my heart and cry, I know its technically not her but it is her body and voice, I must rescue her if possible!
She wasn't norted, she fell to darkness, if she was norted then Xehanort would have already won by getting Ventus and fusing Ven and Vanitas to get the x-blade #Aquaaintnorted
Considering that we don't know anything of when that takes place, whether or not she JUST changed or had already changed there is no telling that by this scene happening Xehanort should have won and since we don't know the events after there is still no saying that Xehanort should have won, MAYBE HE DOES WIN WHO KNOWS? Really I don't care for the debate, I didn't say she was norted I just used it to describe her eyes which I'd say is pretty fair. Her hair is clearly changing to white/silver and she has the yellow eyes which unless you have something to back it up with has only ever been connected to Xehanort and never when someone has fallen to darkness. If you are right in saying that ALL OF A SUDDEN eyes turn yellow and hair slowly turns white when a character falls to darkness that would be quite the inconsistency considering it should have probably happened to more characters. Xehanort needs a person to fall to darkness before he can take them over, but I'd say he definitely does that. We can even see that when Xigbar reveals he's already part Xehanort it closes in on his eye to emphasize the fact his eye color has changed since meeting Xehanort, you could say it's because he fell to darkness and became a nobody but then why are none of the other members eyes yellow until now? Because Xigbar has been with Xehanort since BBS and allowed him to insert his heart much sooner, it isn't until now we are seeing these other members with yellow eyes. They close in on his face, then he says "Me? I'm already half Xehanort." and the shot quickly zooms even further in to just center on his eye. If the fact that they clearly just zoom in on the connection isnt enough to prove to you that it is connected then I don't know what else would.
If she fell to darkness rather than get Norted that would be really sad but not a whole lot surprising. Aqua has been in that rod for years now. There is an argument for her not being Norted. Xehanort has to want the person to be a vessel & he didn't want her as a vessel in BBS. He even wanted her dead, which also concludes that she's not even one of the seven lights. Xehanort wants 13 darknesses & 7 lights to clash in order to forge the X blade. Yes he had that plan set in BBS because Braig was Norted in BBS.
It's very possible that everything you've said is correct, which could be why Vanitas wanted Ventus' heart in the old Monster's Inc. trailer. Still, Xehanort knows that there is one correct method to forging the x-blade and he's not the kinda guy to make the same mistake twice, so I doubt that. I think Aqua is norted personally because someone who falls to darkness becomes a heartless. Aqua resembles a Xehanort much more than a heartless (or even nobody for that matter)
I think so too! Definitely stressful, it'd be too much to say it would happen more than for 1-3 pivotal fights in the game because it would become a problem if every fight you just died and moved on but something like saving Aqua would be really cool.
Thanks for saying that dude, it is nice seeing people support even when I haven't been able to upload. haven't given up and I definitely will begin uploading again here soon, I just moved into a new house and have been dealing with a series of events that have made it a bit difficult but I am definitely going to be posting regularly again within this next week :)
I can definitely agree to that, I will say that I would love to see a spinoff title COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED from that of the main story, new characters and all where you can play as a keyblade wielder and the things you do change whether or not you fight for light or dark. Whether or not you try and defeat the darkness or enshroud the world in it is up to you.... hell yeah, kinda like second son(and probably a bunch of other games I don't know)
Mogs Ascension It would be interesting though Nomura seems to be that guy that says let me show you a story that I want to tell and now I'm going to build most of the game mechanics around the story I want to tell which makes it more unlikely that it will happen.Also his history says this from everything I know.
Nomura, as uncertain as he can be, Don't create pararel timeline. There are only 1 Possibilities than can be true, either we save aqua, or aqua is forever trapped. If we can do both of it, then what becomes canon? What is the TRUE Way it should go? So... Its a bait. She'll either 100% survive, or 100% dead
It's possible to have a character die in an alternate ending but have them live in the canon ending. Tales of Symphonia (another popular jarpg) did that. You know the character lives in the canon ending because he's alive in the sequel, but making certain choices will cause him to die in the first game. (I won't give names just in case)
I'm of the mind that I need to see the worst possible outcome before I see the best. However, I don't know what points in the game would influence Aqua's fate, whether it's a single selection or your overall performance in the game. So...this is gonna be so, so tough.
I have a feeling. That when Sora finds Ventus first. Sora will give Ventus his heart back. Ventus will wake up. But,Once Ventus wakes up I have a feeling that Ventus will fight Aqua(Xehanort) to get the evil out of her. Before,fighting Terra-nort. I hope Demnyx and Marluxia come back to the good side. Like, Zexion(Ienzo) did. He came back as Ienzo. We have to remember most of the Organization members comeback as their person before they became a Organization member. But,Larxene and Marluxia wants to take down the Organization 13 while Marluxia and Larxene was in Castle Oblivion.
Well, I hope that we (the player) will have that option in saving Aqua. Maybe in the game Tetsuya would probably leave us a bit o info before fighting Aqua. she has been wandering in darkness for a really REALLY, long time, but in any case I believe that she's still in there. Some people say that her hair is all silver, but there's some patches of blue still so there is a chance in saving her after all. Maybe our task is to remind her of who she's doing this for: Terra and Ventus. Maybe Mickey and Riku will try to make her remember the good times and maybe then she would snap out of it (probably collapse from all those memories from flooding back to her too). And thus Mickey and Riku will take Aqua to Yen Sid's place for Aqua to recover from her wanders of The Realm of Darkness. #saveAqua
It sounds like to me that Mr. Nomura is definitely making Kingdom Hearts 3 so dark, that it would literally kill his fans of the game for real. Don't you all agree?
Andy Hirth I actually agree with you. I feel like someone might actually kill themselves in real life, just like someone who killed them self’s when itachi died.
@hipten That's crazy! I had no idea about that. You'd think they would have come to terms with Itatchi's death by that point, they were working that up since the first or second episode of Naruto. Gotta say I'd hope no one would do that but wow it's happened, so yeah.
Mogs Ascension If I remember correctly it happened somewhere in Europe. But yea it’s crazy to think someone would do that. And your right about them building it up in early Episode. But man I hope that doesn’t happen with aqua and kingdom hearts or the actual person.
My speculation regarding saving aqua is this: First arc would be the introduction to the story line in KH3 and a fight with an overpowered Aqua now, if you beat the game previously you could play NG+ which would put you at a level that could potentially win that fight and a "new" story line. and of course the new story line will feature stronger enemies as if " the darkness inside of aqua " released upon the world.
I hope it's like the "alternate ending" in Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin. For those unfamiliar, there is a certain point where you fight vampire twins, and the progression of the game depends on how you complete the fight. If you just fight them like any other boss, you immediately go into a different ending and that's the end of the game; you can reload your save file but there's nothing else after that. However, if you use a certain spell (which is kinda hidden in a different area) to cure them, then you can progress with the game canonically. They did the same thing in Symphony of the Night when you fight Richter: Kill Richter, you get the bad ending. Destroy the orb possessing him (only visible when wearing the glasses), you progress to the inverted castle and the rest of the game. I'm hoping that, given the story progression is dependent on player action, that is more along the lines of that rather than a TellTale game. Makes it easier for the player to go back and save Aqua.
jetnight 88 I have to agree I never say things like this but if Aqua is killed off I’m selling all my KH games and never buying a future one. After that I would never look back.
hipten that’s her role she’s supposed to be the mother fingers she puts her friends before her she probably had to get Norted because something happened
I agree Roxas is life. I will save my boi if I have to sacrifice Kingdom Hearts itself (but not Kairi, I will not sacrifice Kairi, sorry. I'll sacrifice anything else, even Sora, but not Kairi)
I wonder if KH3 is going to go all "butterfly effect", like you have to choose to save Terra or Aqua, and whoever you pick determines Ventus' fate and the fate of the rest of the game...
Oh gosh I hope not, if that's the case I don't know who I'd save, I might spend hours looking at a screen deciding between two options that consume the rest of my life
May just be the lighting, but her Xehanort features seem.... fresher.... than the others, if that makes sense. The hair isn't pale enough for one, so it's possible that a one-chance battle could exist, or that there is a chance relative to time spent in the game before confronting her (longer time spent messing around = more time for her transformation to set in). Speedrunners would get a good result pretty much naturally then - better get their advice after the game comes out.
Calling it now, Sora’s gonna pull a Neo to release all the hearts inside him so that everyone else is safe while he passes on. That would make the most sense. Edit: Holy crap, I was almost completely right.
I think there going to be a optional boss where defeating it be the key of saving aqua like maybe fighting aqua lingering will as kairi or maybe defeating sephiroth for example
I feel it's either a choice based system, maybe you have to chose who to save her or Terra and the story will otherwise play out the same or it could be a achievement/objective based system with a good, bad and secret ending.
Just speculation, nothing solid we don't know exactly what it means yet. It could be translation error but even other news sites are reporting that he is saying there is a chance that is dependent on hoo hard the player tries.
I know this video was posted awhile ago, but I just found it, so I wanted to offer an idea that maybe hasn't been tossed out there (I read a lot of the comments but not all... there are quite a few LOL) ... I know the games (KH1 and 2 notwithstanding) are on different handhelds originally, but since they've been redone for the 1.2/2.5, 2.8 releases, then I wonder if, when Nomura was saying "player effort" if it meant that saved data from previous games will be taken into account as to whether or not Aqua can be saved. Just my thought. Great video (even though now, some of the things have been kind of shown in other promos, like the Sora vs Aqua fight). Along that line, from what I can gather in my head and going by what I've seen in all the trailers to date, the rough timeline in my head is more along the lines of Mickey and Riku see/meet Aqua in the darkness where she tells Mickey that he's too late. Maybe they fight her (which would make sense if that's where Way to the Dawn is broken). They go back to see Yen Sid to tell him what's going on and to formulate a new plan to get her back. Perhaps Sora shows up then and overhears the conversation, and, being Sora, rushes off to find Aqua (maybe with Eraqus' keyblade?) and that's where he fights her and perhaps saves her? Just thoughts from the snippets I've seen lol
When I first saw the trailer, I was so shocked seeing aqua like that! What happened to her after her conversation with Ansem the wise!? How did it happen? When did it happen? I really want her to be saved!
Save the game at the nearest save point and see what happens if you lose. Then software reset (if that's returning) and beat her the second time. How to get both storylines :)
People its kingdom hearts were talking you know shes gonna get saved i believe she only fell into darkness shes been there for years without a cloak to protect her from the darkness only to fall and he theme from bbs is her falling because shes always sacrificed herself for others. She will return to light idk if Kairi might end up being the one to help her or maybe Riku and Mikckey after Riku gets his new keyblade he might awaken her heart once more but hes teasing us on whays going on with her i agree it shouldnt be a surprise she turned to darkness being alone in the darkness for so long
Jack Mcdig fuck aqua If it’s based on my efforts I’m fuck up on purpose just to let her fall Just kidding aqua is straight but I want this game to be darker so Yea I’m all up for letting a few characters go
Nomura either wanted to spoil the fan base for wanting so much teasers in revenge so we’d shut up or maybe he wasn’t in charge of what would be revealed and it was Disney who choose what content
I would like to hear what you think could be the worst possible thing that could happen in the game. Ya know other than norted Aqua. Also how do you think it's gonna end. #SaveAqua
What's more shocking than Aqua's reveal? Kairi's death. BTW if that happens I will NOT. BE. OKAY. I think Aqua being saved "depending on the players' efforts" refers to simply playing the game and putting in the effort to get through it. But if KH3 has MULTIPLE different storylines with a VARIETY of endings then I will EXPLODE!!! (and also never ever stop playing the game) Also the idea about only having one chance to save Aqua by winning a fight is cool in theory but impossible in practice, as one could simply load the game and try again anyway (unless Nomura does some Doki Doki Literature Club stuff and messes with your save slots, or maybe *shudder* an autosave) On second thought not that impractical, and that would actually be pretty cool if it autosaved, forcing you to live with your failures.
Kingdom hearts is one of the only series i do not want to have choices only canon story, i want that the story will be absolute if bad things will happen we maybe be broken, but thats the story so we will need to swallow it!
Honestly, the more I learn about Kingdom Hearts 3 the less I want it. I was hoping for a happy ending like Kingdom Hearts 2. There has to be some release from all the sadness or the story suffers from lack of balance. I'm really worried the ending will be a let down. It's not exciting me, I'm scared. I'm typically a person who will replay sad things like Xion's death to laugh at how sad it is. Now I feel uneasy. I feel like this series I loved for 16 years may run out of things to offer me like the Sonic series. Can't these kids just laugh and eat ice cream as they watch the sky again. ;n;
I will say while I hope for a good balance of it all throughout the story, much like you I hope that come the end there's a satisfying resolution after all the events and hardships presented in the series. A few years back Nomura did say he wanted a happy ending for kh3, as of now even with nomura trying to get everyone in their feels I say stay skeptical it may still have a happier ending than we all think.
I m going to drive against a wall😂 if the ending fuck s my life, for real I waited my whole life and grew up with those characters, please kill of Mickey but I m gonna save aqua Terra Ventus xion and roxas
That is wrong for a game to end up and darkness like that they should be away for aqua to be saved and that has to be another way for us to return Aqua back to normal cuz we need her I'm curious myself it's if Sora Beats Xehanort everything is back to normal and aqua return to normal state the way that she should be after everything is said and done that would be a cool ending
Nothing will surprise me more then Aqua be norted ,when i new Black Ops 4 will be released without a campaign i've been shocked and surprised but NOT like when it was with Aqua . I won't like the game to have choices that may not let everyone to have the same ending and even there will be a bad ending and that make me sad
u know whats funny . knowing how sad Aqua's theme /music is in kingdom hearts we should of saw her fate years ago in aww heads. . her music means sad times
i would gladly kill Riku to save Aqua... well i always hated Riku. But i would kill alot of characters to save Aqua. ( Join The Dark Side We Have Aqua )
What? This doesn't even make sense. How does anything he covered mean or have anything to do with playing as Riku? Nomura says nothing about this in either comment he mentions.
You saw Riku sitting near her.I dont beleave that you can choose not to save her , because she is important to the games. HE HAVENT SAID that you can choose :)
mog can you please start trying to tell people in your videos that aqua has ZERO connection to xehanort. the traits of darkness is not limited to xehanort. it was also confirmed her hair isnt silver. its still blue,theyu made the blue more pale,yes,but its not full on silver. i really wanna stop seeing this stupid "norted" word because it doesnt make since. its like the people trying to put daisy and minnie with the princessess of light. and so many people are on board with that one. it sounds like the million people jumping on the wagon wanting treasure planet.i never wanted that world
1. He will say what *he* wants to say, not what *you* want him to say. 2. To be fair, her hair looked pretty damn close to silver in that traier, you have to admit that. 3. And what are those "traits of darkness" that you speak of? Because, as far as I'm aware, no one changed their eye color just because they've fallen into darkness. Unless you meant something else then I'm all ears. 4. This "norted" word is used to desribe people who were turned into a mamber of true Organisation XIII so no, it's not stupid, it has reason to exist. Oh, did you mean that Aqua has not turned? Well then... any evidence to back up your position? Because, as far as I'm concerned, no side has one. 5. Never heard about Minnie and Daisy being new princesses of heart, I'll be honest. 6. "it sounds like the million people jumping on the wagon wanting treasure planet.i never wanted that world" And what's that supposed to mean? That we can't want something because *you* never wanted it? Or did you just throw this sentence without giving it any thought whatsoever? PS. If any of my words sounded harsh for you then know that it was not my intention.
Copy from what I told Brosph Brostar -Really I don't care for the debate, I didn't say she was norted I just used it to describe her eyes which I'd say is pretty fair. Her hair is clearly changing to white/silver and she has the yellow eyes which unless you have something to back it up with has only ever been connected to Xehanort and never when someone has fallen to darkness. If you are right in saying that ALL OF A SUDDEN eyes turn yellow and hair slowly turns white when a character falls to darkness that would be quite the inconsistency considering it should have probably happened to more characters. Xehanort needs a person to fall to darkness before he can take them over, but I'd say he definitely does that. We can even see that when Xigbar reveals he's already part Xehanort it closes in on his eye to emphasize the fact his eye color has to do with Xehanort. You could say it's because he fell to darkness and became a nobody but then why are none of the other members eyes yellow until now? Because Xigbar has been with Xehanort since BBS and allowed him to insert his heart much sooner, it isn't until now we are seeing these other members with yellow eyes. They close in on his face, then he says "Me? I'm already half Xehanort." and the shot quickly zooms even further in to just center on his eye. If the fact that they clearly just zoom in on the connection isnt enough to prove to you that it is connected then I don't know what else would.
I do think I will make a video on it though just to kind of cover the debate and my thoughts because I do know of a lot more examples that I can think of that support the changes being due to Xehanort's control of someone's body, the real question is whther or not I can find anything to support that it's simply no more than falling to darkness which if I can find something I'll be sure to include it and decide how I truly feel about it from there.
@Ryujin: The fact that you can save Aqua, but nothing on Terra and Ventus -- and how Terra is, most likely, a vessel of Darkness, kind of provides at least _some_ evidence that Aqua isn't "norted". One of the designers has also already said that "it was the darkness that did this to Aqua" or so which, while I know that could just be a lie to keep people interested in some way, still provides evidence on the chance it _is_ true. There really wouldn't be a reason for them to lie about Aqua's situation if they honestly didn't expect it to be such a shock to fans -- which, they have already revealed they were surprised that people didn't expect it. I think that at least 90% of the time, what the creators say is far more reliable than fan speculation. Also, for years now, KH fans have been notorious for jumping to conclusions with every trailer released. How many times then have you played the game to find out that particular moment was in no way what you thought it was? While this may not exactly be evidence against claims of Aqua being "norted", it nevertheless puts a small hole in the notion that she has been "norted". Aqua's situation is, if anything, unclear and we just have to play to find out the truth.
Can we stop talking about the aqua thing. It's to much of a spoiler to talk about anything else on her. We will find out for ourselves when it comes out.
You don't have to click on the video or watch it. Some of us just enjoy the discussion which won't spoil anything that they haven't shown but that doesn't mean you need to take part in it, click on videos you want to see because that makes more sense than clicking ones on topics that you want people to stop talking about.
Mogs Ascension I think it just spreads confusion to people. Just reading a title of a video can confuse others. Like if she can be saved? Really? Who really cares. It's best to just wait till the game comes out instead of youtubers theories of stuff that is mostly wrong anyway. But those theories mess with people though.
The title says exactly what I talk about in the video so I'd hardly say it's confusing, WHAT IS confusing is why you clicked on it when you don't care about it, because the title wasn't click bait at all so you knew what you were clicking on. Why even click on the video? If you feel it's best to wait, wait. Don't watch youtube videos on theories and discussions they are made for people who want to watch them because contrary to what you believe my friend, A LOT of people seem to care.
I don't understand either, the title says EXACTLY what is spoken about so how can it confuse others? Just don't watch their videos, I'm sure they won't miss you OR the negativity you seem to be trying to spread. Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean others don't.
#SaveAqua
Aqua for life
Done.
The discussion of 'depends on player effort' is very much a translation thing. A lot of the literal interpretations of Japanese phrases and just the typical verbiage used can be seen as teasing or baiting when taken at face value. Nomura is probably just saying that 'we'll have to play (and complete) the game to find out' which does take some effort. He's saying this to give us hope... which is sweet if not for his ominous surprise at our shock. So I personally don't think there are going to be multipule endings. KH has never been that kind of gaming experience.
Andrea Lair I hope you're right.
Andrea Lair I agree.
Andrea Lair i hope it is since there wasnt even one KH Title that had multiple ending.
Andrea Lair I don’t want them to take a mass effect route. I don’t think kingdom hearts will ever do something like that though
A while ago, I noticed that Larxene and Luxord’s eye color changed from blue to yellow, not unlike a couple of other Organization XIII members who happen to be half Xehanort. But just now I noticed a different, even smaller detail changed. Their zippers on their coats changed to match that of Luxu and the Master of Masters. If you look closely, you can see an X-like sigil on each zipper. Anyone who played KH3D should know how significant hidden X’s on clothes can be.
Darth Bart Roxas had a cross zipper(or necklace?)
Dolphinboi Not exactly the same, but still noteworthy. I wonder if that will ever have any meaning to it.
Anyone here after playing KH3? Saving her wasn't a choice though ... (still glad you HAD to save her because she really deserved it)
I would replay the game over 100 times if it means Aqua gets the ending she deserves
Same!
I don't see an alternate ending happening either, since that would be inconclusive to a story chapter that is supposed to *conclude this arc* -- which Nomura confirmed it would.
This could be like when you fight Leon or Cloud, either you win you gain the exp, if you lose, you continue on. With Aqua would be, either Riku or Mickey helps her, if they win the fight, Riku can make a Deep Dive and release Aqua's Darkness, if not, she would be a seeker of darkness
Its Actually sad to see her become someone she would never be, she had a soft heart and cared for her friends,seeing her not caring and being evil will break my heart and cry, I know its technically not her but it is her body and voice, I must rescue her if possible!
agree, aqua is so nice and kind, always try to help, she soft and sweet, see her norted made my heart flinched... We will save her!!
Oh god... saving aqua might be an optional thing...
No, I will do it, if I managed to save everyone in a NieR game I can save someone in a KH game
I certainly stand against choices in KH3.
Same. If there's anything that the telltale series has demonstrated, it's that, at some point, our choices will have to converge into a main story.
She wasn't norted, she fell to darkness, if she was norted then Xehanort would have already won by getting Ventus and fusing Ven and Vanitas to get the x-blade
#Aquaaintnorted
Considering that we don't know anything of when that takes place, whether or not she JUST changed or had already changed there is no telling that by this scene happening Xehanort should have won and since we don't know the events after there is still no saying that Xehanort should have won, MAYBE HE DOES WIN WHO KNOWS? Really I don't care for the debate, I didn't say she was norted I just used it to describe her eyes which I'd say is pretty fair. Her hair is clearly changing to white/silver and she has the yellow eyes which unless you have something to back it up with has only ever been connected to Xehanort and never when someone has fallen to darkness. If you are right in saying that ALL OF A SUDDEN eyes turn yellow and hair slowly turns white when a character falls to darkness that would be quite the inconsistency considering it should have probably happened to more characters. Xehanort needs a person to fall to darkness before he can take them over, but I'd say he definitely does that. We can even see that when Xigbar reveals he's already part Xehanort it closes in on his eye to emphasize the fact his eye color has changed since meeting Xehanort, you could say it's because he fell to darkness and became a nobody but then why are none of the other members eyes yellow until now? Because Xigbar has been with Xehanort since BBS and allowed him to insert his heart much sooner, it isn't until now we are seeing these other members with yellow eyes. They close in on his face, then he says "Me? I'm already half Xehanort." and the shot quickly zooms even further in to just center on his eye. If the fact that they clearly just zoom in on the connection isnt enough to prove to you that it is connected then I don't know what else would.
If she fell to darkness rather than get Norted that would be really sad but not a whole lot surprising. Aqua has been in that rod for years now. There is an argument for her not being Norted. Xehanort has to want the person to be a vessel & he didn't want her as a vessel in BBS. He even wanted her dead, which also concludes that she's not even one of the seven lights. Xehanort wants 13 darknesses & 7 lights to clash in order to forge the X blade. Yes he had that plan set in BBS because Braig was Norted in BBS.
They need ventus heart which sora has
It's very possible that everything you've said is correct, which could be why Vanitas wanted Ventus' heart in the old Monster's Inc. trailer. Still, Xehanort knows that there is one correct method to forging the x-blade and he's not the kinda guy to make the same mistake twice, so I doubt that. I think Aqua is norted personally because someone who falls to darkness becomes a heartless. Aqua resembles a Xehanort much more than a heartless (or even nobody for that matter)
+Edii VG No, Its been confirmed that shes nort, I was wrong
Her hope is the key to return hearts
One chance battles seem cool and stressful all at once.
I think so too! Definitely stressful, it'd be too much to say it would happen more than for 1-3 pivotal fights in the game because it would become a problem if every fight you just died and moved on but something like saving Aqua would be really cool.
Mog's Ascension hey man you have posted in awhile y don't give up keep getting it done.
Thanks for saying that dude, it is nice seeing people support even when I haven't been able to upload. haven't given up and I definitely will begin uploading again here soon, I just moved into a new house and have been dealing with a series of events that have made it a bit difficult but I am definitely going to be posting regularly again within this next week :)
Mog's Ascension great man you have talent just have to get yourself out there
I want Nomura to lead the story so I'm not really all for player choice or effort influencing the story thats not what Kingdom Hearts is all about.
I can definitely agree to that, I will say that I would love to see a spinoff title COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED from that of the main story, new characters and all where you can play as a keyblade wielder and the things you do change whether or not you fight for light or dark. Whether or not you try and defeat the darkness or enshroud the world in it is up to you.... hell yeah, kinda like second son(and probably a bunch of other games I don't know)
Mogs Ascension It would be interesting though Nomura seems to be that guy that says let me show you a story that I want to tell and now I'm going to build most of the game mechanics around the story I want to tell which makes it more unlikely that it will happen.Also his history says this from everything I know.
perhaps they aim that the normal ending (aqua is lost forever) but (100% achievement game could have a secret ending where aqua is saved)
Nomura, as uncertain as he can be, Don't create pararel timeline.
There are only 1 Possibilities than can be true, either we save aqua, or aqua is forever trapped.
If we can do both of it, then what becomes canon? What is the TRUE Way it should go?
So...
Its a bait.
She'll either 100% survive, or 100% dead
These are good points my friend, do you hope or want Aqua to be saved in KH3, be a big bad moving forward or get destroyed in kh3?
It's possible to have a character die in an alternate ending but have them live in the canon ending. Tales of Symphonia (another popular jarpg) did that. You know the character lives in the canon ending because he's alive in the sequel, but making certain choices will cause him to die in the first game. (I won't give names just in case)
So....what happened to this “choice”
I'm of the mind that I need to see the worst possible outcome before I see the best. However, I don't know what points in the game would influence Aqua's fate, whether it's a single selection or your overall performance in the game. So...this is gonna be so, so tough.
I have a feeling. That when Sora finds Ventus first. Sora will give Ventus his heart back. Ventus will wake up. But,Once Ventus wakes up I have a feeling that Ventus will fight Aqua(Xehanort) to get the evil out of her. Before,fighting Terra-nort. I hope Demnyx and Marluxia come back to the good side. Like, Zexion(Ienzo) did. He came back as Ienzo. We have to remember most of the Organization members comeback as their person before they became a Organization member. But,Larxene and Marluxia wants to take down the Organization 13 while Marluxia and Larxene was in Castle Oblivion.
i would sacrifice myself to save aqua from the darkness and xerahnort
Well, I hope that we (the player) will have that option in saving Aqua. Maybe in the game Tetsuya would probably leave us a bit o info before fighting Aqua. she has been wandering in darkness for a really REALLY, long time, but in any case I believe that she's still in there. Some people say that her hair is all silver, but there's some patches of blue still so there is a chance in saving her after all. Maybe our task is to remind her of who she's doing this for: Terra and Ventus. Maybe Mickey and Riku will try to make her remember the good times and maybe then she would snap out of it (probably collapse from all those memories from flooding back to her too). And thus Mickey and Riku will take Aqua to Yen Sid's place for Aqua to recover from her wanders of The Realm of Darkness.
#saveAqua
Save aqua
It sounds like to me that Mr. Nomura is definitely making Kingdom Hearts 3 so dark, that it would literally kill his fans of the game for real. Don't you all agree?
Andy Hirth
I actually agree with you. I feel like someone might actually kill themselves in real life, just like someone who killed them self’s when itachi died.
@hipten That's crazy! I had no idea about that. You'd think they would have come to terms with Itatchi's death by that point, they were working that up since the first or second episode of Naruto. Gotta say I'd hope no one would do that but wow it's happened, so yeah.
Mogs Ascension
If I remember correctly it happened somewhere in Europe. But yea it’s crazy to think someone would do that. And your right about them building it up in early Episode. But man I hope that doesn’t happen with aqua and kingdom hearts or the actual person.
My speculation regarding saving aqua is this:
First arc would be the introduction to the story line in KH3 and a fight with an overpowered Aqua now, if you beat the game previously you could play NG+ which would put you at a level that could potentially win that fight and a "new" story line. and of course the new story line will feature stronger enemies as if " the darkness inside of aqua " released upon the world.
I hope it's like the "alternate ending" in Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin. For those unfamiliar, there is a certain point where you fight vampire twins, and the progression of the game depends on how you complete the fight. If you just fight them like any other boss, you immediately go into a different ending and that's the end of the game; you can reload your save file but there's nothing else after that. However, if you use a certain spell (which is kinda hidden in a different area) to cure them, then you can progress with the game canonically. They did the same thing in Symphony of the Night when you fight Richter: Kill Richter, you get the bad ending. Destroy the orb possessing him (only visible when wearing the glasses), you progress to the inverted castle and the rest of the game. I'm hoping that, given the story progression is dependent on player action, that is more along the lines of that rather than a TellTale game. Makes it easier for the player to go back and save Aqua.
This is an interesting way to have it happen too! (and it makes me want to go play Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin)
And I swear to god if he kills aqua off I’m not gonna by any kh games no more
jetnight 88
I have to agree I never say things like this but if Aqua is killed off I’m selling all my KH games and never buying a future one. After that I would never look back.
hipten Kingdom hearts is one hell of a drug
Trust me you will be back
Count me in. They better not fuck up my waifu
GerryTheDualblasting HERO
It is but I feel Aqua has already been through enough and to have anything else happen to her would be redundant.
hipten that’s her role she’s supposed to be the mother fingers she puts her friends before her she probably had to get Norted because something happened
Dropped a sub, been watching and enjoying your videos lately they're well done. I also dont want choices in KH3 I want us all to play the same story.
I think if MX uses aqua to find ventus and nort him that would be pretty nuts
If it comes down to save ventus aqua or roxas I’m saving roxas hands down
Acnologia TheGod SAME
I agree Roxas is life. I will save my boi if I have to sacrifice Kingdom Hearts itself (but not Kairi, I will not sacrifice Kairi, sorry. I'll sacrifice anything else, even Sora, but not Kairi)
I wonder if KH3 is going to go all "butterfly effect", like you have to choose to save Terra or Aqua, and whoever you pick determines Ventus' fate and the fate of the rest of the game...
Oh gosh I hope not, if that's the case I don't know who I'd save, I might spend hours looking at a screen deciding between two options that consume the rest of my life
I'm saving Aqua, Terra can go fuck himself if that's the case.
May just be the lighting, but her Xehanort features seem.... fresher.... than the others, if that makes sense. The hair isn't pale enough for one, so it's possible that a one-chance battle could exist, or that there is a chance relative to time spent in the game before confronting her (longer time spent messing around = more time for her transformation to set in). Speedrunners would get a good result pretty much naturally then - better get their advice after the game comes out.
How much for the Kingdom of Feels Edition?
Imma need that!
Riko Tenk Angela.... I need healing
Calling it now, Sora’s gonna pull a Neo to release all the hearts inside him so that everyone else is safe while he passes on. That would make the most sense.
Edit: Holy crap, I was almost completely right.
I think there going to be a optional boss where defeating it be the key of saving aqua like maybe fighting aqua lingering will as kairi or maybe defeating sephiroth for example
I feel it's either a choice based system, maybe you have to chose who to save her or Terra and the story will otherwise play out the same or it could be a achievement/objective based system with a good, bad and secret ending.
I hope saving aqua is a part of the story but not an optional thing
Yes
Wait a minute... kingdom hearts 3 could have multiple endings?!
Just speculation, nothing solid we don't know exactly what it means yet. It could be translation error but even other news sites are reporting that he is saying there is a chance that is dependent on hoo hard the player tries.
Aqua I will save u from the darkness baby girl!
I want her to be saved. I'M crying 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I hope they save aqua please do
I know this video was posted awhile ago, but I just found it, so I wanted to offer an idea that maybe hasn't been tossed out there (I read a lot of the comments but not all... there are quite a few LOL) ... I know the games (KH1 and 2 notwithstanding) are on different handhelds originally, but since they've been redone for the 1.2/2.5, 2.8 releases, then I wonder if, when Nomura was saying "player effort" if it meant that saved data from previous games will be taken into account as to whether or not Aqua can be saved. Just my thought.
Great video (even though now, some of the things have been kind of shown in other promos, like the Sora vs Aqua fight). Along that line, from what I can gather in my head and going by what I've seen in all the trailers to date, the rough timeline in my head is more along the lines of Mickey and Riku see/meet Aqua in the darkness where she tells Mickey that he's too late. Maybe they fight her (which would make sense if that's where Way to the Dawn is broken). They go back to see Yen Sid to tell him what's going on and to formulate a new plan to get her back. Perhaps Sora shows up then and overhears the conversation, and, being Sora, rushes off to find Aqua (maybe with Eraqus' keyblade?) and that's where he fights her and perhaps saves her? Just thoughts from the snippets I've seen lol
When I first saw the trailer, I was so shocked seeing aqua like that! What happened to her after her conversation with Ansem the wise!? How did it happen? When did it happen? I really want her to be saved!
Saving Aqua that's all it matters to me and I I am bad at playing this game so if they do put one chance I am going to cry😭😭😭😭
Save the game at the nearest save point and see what happens if you lose. Then software reset (if that's returning) and beat her the second time. How to get both storylines :)
Things are gonna get worse as we play the game aren't they?
03:03 Guilty,
lol I was going to say it.
That was there for you then lol.
WAIT SO I CAN SAVE HER. OH THANK GOD NOW I WON'T DIE FROM MY HEART SHATTERING YAY.
People its kingdom hearts were talking you know shes gonna get saved i believe she only fell into darkness shes been there for years without a cloak to protect her from the darkness only to fall and he theme from bbs is her falling because shes always sacrificed herself for others. She will return to light idk if Kairi might end up being the one to help her or maybe Riku and Mikckey after Riku gets his new keyblade he might awaken her heart once more but hes teasing us on whays going on with her i agree it shouldnt be a surprise she turned to darkness being alone in the darkness for so long
Waiiittttt. I'm just noticing this now (and excuse me if I'm just dumb and missed the memo but) Larxenes eyes are yellow now too?
Only a weakling wont play critical to save her
Jack Mcdig fuck aqua If it’s based on my efforts I’m fuck up on purpose just to let her fall
Just kidding aqua is straight but I want this game to be darker so Yea I’m all up for letting a few characters go
I saved her on normal.
Dude where the song from the ending of your video from? It sounds super familiar
Cosmo Canyon Theme from FFVII :D
I with it being a alternate ending!!! Kingdom hearts baby us too much we need a darker side
Vens going to be norted next
Nomura either wanted to spoil the fan base for wanting so much teasers in revenge so we’d shut up or maybe he wasn’t in charge of what would be revealed and it was Disney who choose what content
I would like to hear what you think could be the worst possible thing that could happen in the game. Ya know other than norted Aqua.
Also how do you think it's gonna end.
#SaveAqua
you sir you say tidus the correct I like you for this
i think aqua will not be able to be saved we might be dealing with a difficult fight here this will be big hit to the feels
Ummm I mite not save her to see what happens. I love her but wanna see what happens.
We know frozen was going to be in so it wasn’t a surprise
Yeah Frozen wasn't that big a reveal. Pretty predictable, most of us expected it.
depends whether or not her guardian spot will go to someone I like more. there are too many characters; the herd needs to get trimmed somehow.
yeah lets get axel/Lea. that little bastard needs a 3rd time
jk
I think u can"t save aqua but weaken her the one who saves aqua is vanitua (think about it)
What's more shocking than Aqua's reveal? Kairi's death. BTW if that happens I will NOT. BE. OKAY.
I think Aqua being saved "depending on the players' efforts" refers to simply playing the game and putting in the effort to get through it.
But if KH3 has MULTIPLE different storylines with a VARIETY of endings then I will EXPLODE!!! (and also never ever stop playing the game)
Also the idea about only having one chance to save Aqua by winning a fight is cool in theory but impossible in practice, as one could simply load the game and try again anyway (unless Nomura does some Doki Doki Literature Club stuff and messes with your save slots, or maybe *shudder* an autosave) On second thought not that impractical, and that would actually be pretty cool if it autosaved, forcing you to live with your failures.
Edii VG so like state of decay in a way?
yeah kinda
Edii VG if they go that route I'm gonna be sort of pissed
If Sora dies, gets Norted, or Riku dies, I'm done.
"Kingdom FEELS" 🤣
please let them avoid killing all the sweet 1s x( I hope sora or rikku aren't sacrificed
I only accept the story outcome if Aqua is ok.
Kingdom hearts is one of the only series i do not want to have choices only canon story, i want that the story will be absolute if bad things will happen we maybe be broken, but thats the story so we will need to swallow it!
And here I am about to be in FE Fates Conquest end of Chapter 25 Feels huh? *Warmth Is Gone turns on* 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Honestly, the more I learn about Kingdom Hearts 3 the less I want it. I was hoping for a happy ending like Kingdom Hearts 2. There has to be some release from all the sadness or the story suffers from lack of balance. I'm really worried the ending will be a let down. It's not exciting me, I'm scared. I'm typically a person who will replay sad things like Xion's death to laugh at how sad it is. Now I feel uneasy. I feel like this series I loved for 16 years may run out of things to offer me like the Sonic series. Can't these kids just laugh and eat ice cream as they watch the sky again. ;n;
I will say while I hope for a good balance of it all throughout the story, much like you I hope that come the end there's a satisfying resolution after all the events and hardships presented in the series. A few years back Nomura did say he wanted a happy ending for kh3, as of now even with nomura trying to get everyone in their feels I say stay skeptical it may still have a happier ending than we all think.
If aqua is norted could she be one of the 13 darkness? I almost hope she is because then she might see Terra/Xehanort and they can help each other out
honestly it makes me anxious because I suck at video games😂
I m going to drive against a wall😂 if the ending fuck s my life, for real I waited my whole life and grew up with those characters, please kill of Mickey but I m gonna save aqua Terra Ventus xion and roxas
That is wrong for a game to end up and darkness like that they should be away for aqua to be saved and that has to be another way for us to return Aqua back to normal cuz we need her I'm curious myself it's if Sora Beats Xehanort everything is back to normal and aqua return to normal state the way that she should be after everything is said and done that would be a cool ending
#SAVEAQUA I CRYYY =(
Nothing will surprise me more then Aqua be norted ,when i new Black Ops 4 will be released without a campaign i've been shocked and surprised but NOT like when it was with Aqua . I won't like the game to have choices that may not let everyone to have the same ending and even there will be a bad ending and that make me sad
#BringBackRoxas
Ventus is evil he misled Sora it is one of the scary things here.
Let her fall to the darkness and cut her head off ! #darknessteam #setyourheartfree
I am still waiting to see Sora norted.
Hellbound Iscariot he nearly did in dream drop distant
i fucking want that too would be epic af
Vanitas has influence too. I would hate if Sora was norted that would delay his progress.
Jayz John It would send the story in another direction.
not the one I want also I hate knowing that I never knew Ventus in the first game.
Wow no way
u know whats funny . knowing how sad Aqua's theme /music is in kingdom hearts we should of saw her fate years ago in aww heads. . her music means sad times
i would gladly kill Riku to save Aqua... well i always hated Riku. But i would kill alot of characters to save Aqua. ( Join The Dark Side We Have Aqua )
I think she will die and her heart will go to sora
No ..it means you have to play as Riku to save her. It wont be a cutscene
What? This doesn't even make sense. How does anything he covered mean or have anything to do with playing as Riku? Nomura says nothing about this in either comment he mentions.
You saw Riku sitting near her.I dont beleave that you can choose not to save her , because she is important to the games. HE HAVENT SAID that you can choose :)
Look at it again . Only Riku and Mickey was near Aqua in the realm of darkness
it would be cool :D
Mogs Ascension ..... your to late
Please don't make us choose between characters
mog can you please start trying to tell people in your videos that aqua has ZERO connection to xehanort. the traits of darkness is not limited to xehanort. it was also confirmed her hair isnt silver. its still blue,theyu made the blue more pale,yes,but its not full on silver. i really wanna stop seeing this stupid "norted" word because it doesnt make since. its like the people trying to put daisy and minnie with the princessess of light. and so many people are on board with that one. it sounds like the million people jumping on the wagon wanting treasure planet.i never wanted that world
Thank you, someone else gets it. How would she even get norted, shes way stronger than Xehanort and would mollywop him if he tried
1. He will say what *he* wants to say, not what *you* want him to say.
2. To be fair, her hair looked pretty damn close to silver in that traier, you have to admit that.
3. And what are those "traits of darkness" that you speak of? Because, as far as I'm aware, no one changed their eye color just because they've fallen into darkness. Unless you meant something else then I'm all ears.
4. This "norted" word is used to desribe people who were turned into a mamber of true Organisation XIII so no, it's not stupid, it has reason to exist. Oh, did you mean that Aqua has not turned? Well then... any evidence to back up your position? Because, as far as I'm concerned, no side has one.
5. Never heard about Minnie and Daisy being new princesses of heart, I'll be honest.
6. "it sounds like the million people jumping on the wagon wanting treasure planet.i never wanted that world"
And what's that supposed to mean? That we can't want something because *you* never wanted it? Or did you just throw this sentence without giving it any thought whatsoever?
PS. If any of my words sounded harsh for you then know that it was not my intention.
Copy from what I told Brosph Brostar
-Really I don't care for the debate, I didn't say she was norted I just used it to describe her eyes which I'd say is pretty fair. Her hair is clearly changing to white/silver and she has the yellow eyes which unless you have something to back it up with has only ever been connected to Xehanort and never when someone has fallen to darkness. If you are right in saying that ALL OF A SUDDEN eyes turn yellow and hair slowly turns white when a character falls to darkness that would be quite the inconsistency considering it should have probably happened to more characters. Xehanort needs a person to fall to darkness before he can take them over, but I'd say he definitely does that. We can even see that when Xigbar reveals he's already part Xehanort it closes in on his eye to emphasize the fact his eye color has to do with Xehanort.
You could say it's because he fell to darkness and became a nobody but then why are none of the other members eyes yellow until now? Because Xigbar has been with Xehanort since BBS and allowed him to insert his heart much sooner, it isn't until now we are seeing these other members with yellow eyes. They close in on his face, then he says "Me? I'm already half Xehanort." and the shot quickly zooms even further in to just center on his eye. If the fact that they clearly just zoom in on the connection isnt enough to prove to you that it is connected then I don't know what else would.
I do think I will make a video on it though just to kind of cover the debate and my thoughts because I do know of a lot more examples that I can think of that support the changes being due to Xehanort's control of someone's body, the real question is whther or not I can find anything to support that it's simply no more than falling to darkness which if I can find something I'll be sure to include it and decide how I truly feel about it from there.
@Ryujin:
The fact that you can save Aqua, but nothing on Terra and Ventus -- and how Terra is, most likely, a vessel of Darkness, kind of provides at least _some_ evidence that Aqua isn't "norted". One of the designers has also already said that "it was the darkness that did this to Aqua" or so which, while I know that could just be a lie to keep people interested in some way, still provides evidence on the chance it _is_ true. There really wouldn't be a reason for them to lie about Aqua's situation if they honestly didn't expect it to be such a shock to fans -- which, they have already revealed they were surprised that people didn't expect it.
I think that at least 90% of the time, what the creators say is far more reliable than fan speculation. Also, for years now, KH fans have been notorious for jumping to conclusions with every trailer released. How many times then have you played the game to find out that particular moment was in no way what you thought it was? While this may not exactly be evidence against claims of Aqua being "norted", it nevertheless puts a small hole in the notion that she has been "norted". Aqua's situation is, if anything, unclear and we just have to play to find out the truth.
Frozen sucked anyway
Can we stop talking about the aqua thing. It's to much of a spoiler to talk about anything else on her. We will find out for ourselves when it comes out.
You don't have to click on the video or watch it.
Some of us just enjoy the discussion which won't spoil anything that they haven't shown but that doesn't mean you need to take part in it, click on videos you want to see because that makes more sense than clicking ones on topics that you want people to stop talking about.
Mogs Ascension I think it just spreads confusion to people. Just reading a title of a video can confuse others. Like if she can be saved? Really? Who really cares. It's best to just wait till the game comes out instead of youtubers theories of stuff that is mostly wrong anyway. But those theories mess with people though.
The title says exactly what I talk about in the video so I'd hardly say it's confusing, WHAT IS confusing is why you clicked on it when you don't care about it, because the title wasn't click bait at all so you knew what you were clicking on. Why even click on the video? If you feel it's best to wait, wait. Don't watch youtube videos on theories and discussions they are made for people who want to watch them because contrary to what you believe my friend, A LOT of people seem to care.
I don't understand either, the title says EXACTLY what is spoken about so how can it confuse others? Just don't watch their videos, I'm sure they won't miss you OR the negativity you seem to be trying to spread. Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean others don't.
THANK YOU!
Who cares. Just end this tired game series already.
Clearly you do, otherwise you wouldn't be searching up and watching videos for the game. 🤔
Millions of people
#SaveAqua