If he stayed in OKC he’d be remembered as one of the greatest players of all time, now he’ll be remembered with an asterisk next to all of his accomplishments
That Bron playoff run thou.....dude took literal scrubs to the finals and that game 1 is the best game bron ever played. Everybody with hands and legs was guarding Bron and he still dropped 50! KD will be the precum to Brons legacy
KD will go down as one of the softest players in NBA history, and funny enough, in retrospect, Draymond Green will also go down as one of the most toxic teammates in NBA history. Say what you will about KD joining the Warriors, but in hindsight, he was right to leave them.
@@Cooldude_987 He very well could have, but I do believe he told the truth as to why he left the Warriors, especially as Draymond Green made a fool of himself and had the Jordan Poole assault that the Warriors covered his ass for and gave Jordan Poole a hush contract last year. They really proved KD's point when he said the organization will just sweep shit under the rug, in reference to Draymond running KD out of town and being a bad teammate to the guy he wanted to come to GS in the first place. I think that aspect really should get talked about more often.
Nah give lebron the softest players he's the reason why superteams are a thing, he backstabbed and betrayed the cavs by joining the heat with Chris bosh and Dwayne wade
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 LeBron literally recruited Kawhi to LA after he won FMVP in 2019 & KD as well. If LeBron never won a championship, there's no telling what he would've done because it's clear that he's more than willing to play with all the best players available to give himself the best odds at winning.
@@luffyuzumaki6354nah I'm happy kd left okc Spurs Boston were available Joining specifically the team that whooped your ass that's a bitch move Soft cupcake
I mean Lebron also got/gets a lot of hate for his move to Miami. Also, context matters. Durant joined a 73 win team that had just beaten him in the conference finals. Lebron didn't do that.
The difference is LeBron comes back to his OG team and wins them a chip, also he's been in the finals from 2007,2011-2018,2020, LeBron been dominant in east led 3 teams into finals and a championship ,KD been in finals for 2012,2017,2018,2019 and he didn't even try to comeback in OKC to win a ring, he's also saying some stuff which affects his legacy
But but brons move was soo weak KD just did what was best for him (sarcasm) the KD defense for this is wild but they tear down bron for Miami without hesitation
Jordan fans would've dropped dead if not for KD. Skip Bayless first and then Skap Attack. Without it James pulls off another back to back or first threepeat. Ties Jordan on chips and fmvp and also gets the scoring record. Argument is long over. Ninjas who are 20k deep in Jordan shoes have an identity crisis and The Last Dance becomes 3 documentaries.
@@andrewcook1246Can you just stop already? I already destroyed you on the last one. Still lying to yourself huh? Still can’t accept reality huh? Now you’ve got to rewrite history and imagine some championships for LeBron!?😂 If LeBron was “that guy,” he would’ve won when he had the chance. I‘ll bet you he wishes he had a Time Machine too.
Lebron set the blueprint by running to Wade’s team and KD did his version. Players now want to stack their teams and load manage and pretend like they should still be compared to players like Hakeem.
@@rorank Both equate to the same thing as far as wanting to play on another champions team in your conference with multiple allstars. When Miami beat the Celtics and Ray Allen left the Celtics to play with the team that he just lost to, it resulted in him being an instrumental part of Miami’s championship. We’ve seen players doing this going all the way back to Silky.
Warriors winning the 2022 championship validates Draymond's statement that they can win without him and invalidates the statement Warriors can't win without KD which tarnishes KD's legacy more that is why he requested a trade to the Suns.
That was one of the reasons I wanted the Warriors to win that championship. It would prove the validity of that core Warriors team, get Curry a FMVP, and essentially be the ultimate middle finger to KD.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, with the cap space increase he could have signed so many other places and had just a good a shot at winning. New Orleans, Clippers, Rockets, Spurs, Raptors, Wizards, Celtics, and many more
Or Rockets imo, prime James Harden and Prime KD would have lethal duo and could’ve won a championship. Hell even the Trail Blazers would’ve worked as well
Clippers, Celtics (with a smart rebuild), Rockets. Good shot with all of those teams, I mean even staying with the Thunder was still a viable option but I do think they had peaked already.
@@navonmyhand7999 I say the Celtics because KD could have maybe gotten it done with Al Horford and IT at his peak. But rebuilding around him is a cool idea I didn't think of :O
People will tell you to let it go man. But too many people out here will tell you it didn’t matter or it wasn’t that important or a big of a deal. He basically won two free championships and every legend agreed that it was a terrible move smh
Why does that matter, tho? Over 50% of the overall game is strictly for entertainment. Only around 35% of the ACTUAL game is winning championships n in the name of entertainment I think thats FINE. Ball doesnt have to be this overly competitive game ALL THE TIME. For 2-3 years, players should be ALLOWED to ( if they’ve already dedicated HIGHLY EFFECTIVE YEARS to an organization ) move around and have fun with the game of basketball. Its not like they were unbeatable because they lost in their best season 😂 they were just a really good roster and frankly love it or hate it, it was fun to watch as a consumer.
@@relevancy1123 no it was not when you know the outcome of the Finals series already due to one team being overly stacked. Competitive basketball is entertainment and visually appealing 😂😂😂
Find me a legend who thought any of Lebron's moves were a good idea. They all laugh at him. Maybe LA, but that wasn't even a basketball move, he went there to set up his post career ambitions.
but clearly you didn't know the result of the finals series cause nobody in the world expected the cavaliers to beat the 73-9 warriors son. what are you even talking about people were saying that team was better than 95-96 bulls, the greatest basketball team to ever play lmao. so what you're saying don't even add up. n then they lost to Tornto. They were never an unbeatable team. Nor an unstoppable team. They were just good for two seasons. LMAO@@michaelbarnes2126
Only thing I have to say: you credited the injuries for Toronto winning their chip, but you didn't credit how the Bucks won their chip off of the Nets stars being injured (would've added how it was his moment to be the "bus driver"). Nor did you mention how he singlehandedly almost beat that team (prevented only by his foot being on the line). It would've maintained and improved your argument near the conclusion and brought home how though he almost did win a chip (almost defeating the to-be champions), putting up a great effort and almost redeeming himself, people will forget this years from now due to his move--being another point to how he seemingly can have great moments/feats but they will always be overlooked and not given credit because of his past actions; an asterisk next to his name, despite his greatness. Other than that, great vid.
Curry is also guilty in part. He and his coach personally recruited KD, forming a Super powerhouse team. Making them guilty of getting easy rings. This tarnished the league's competition
That's a sorry excuse. The league's competition should've took it upon themselves to step their game up. All I saw was a bunch of weak ass whining and complaining about the Warriors from players that had a chance to bring that level of competition needed.
@@Matthew-uq4hu Complaining and whining never solved anything, but the way I see it, those two championships were inevitable. We're talking about the best team in the league getting an MVP caliber player as a luxury piece. No amount of stepping up anyones game was going to stop the warriors from rawdogging the league unless you turned this into a video game and entered in cheat codes. In 2019 Kawhi Leonard was an amazing player and the raptors as a whole were a great team, but injuries definitely played a part in them winning that ring against Golden State. That's just how I see things though.
@@bigjayiv the 2018 Rockets had them on the ropes. The 2017 Spurs could've probably given them a very good run for their money had Kawhi not gotten hurt.
@@MeloRiley-gb5pz Because it was absolutely ridiculous that a great player join a great team and get a easy championship. Again, ridiculous. Complete lack of a competior.
The 2 Miami super team championships and the 2 warriors super team ones marked a decade of LeBron and KD being too soft to compete and getting participation rings. The basketball gods denied LeBron and KD a three peat and made it so LeBron was never a part of any dynasty - one of the reasons his goat claim is so patently absurd - and KD was a hired gun in someone else’s dynasty who showed they could win totally without him. LeBron and KD destroyed their own and each others legacies.
@@ripperzbyszko3322 if they didn’t ruin their legacy - why are they always crying in the media for respect - Jordan isn’t doing that. It’s LeBron and KD - THEY are telling you they are insecure about their legacies. Also I like them both. This is what LeBron fans do - they try to gaslight that Jordan isn’t as good or say “you don’t like LeBron so he isn’t the goat”. It’s not just me saying it ruined their legacies - it’s NBA legends saying it - they indirectly tell you because it’s why they have to cry “I should be higher ranked”. No one who is the goat has to tell people they are. There is no way you can cut up and repackage LeBron and KD’s career to make it better than Jordan or Kobe or Kareem. People try but their arguments crumble the second they have to defend them and it becomes “Jordan was a bad owner” - and? LeBron thought Westbrook would fit with him…and couldn’t make it work. Jordan didn’t lose 3 games in a row from 1990-1998. Just stop. I do like LeBron and KD. They are both great players. I don’t like that they took massive short cuts and accomplished much less while doing it and now are trying to gaslight people they should be ranked ahead of guys who accomplished more with less help and not constantly running from challenges. None of these guys are my personal favorite player. My favorite player is Allen Iverson. I don’t cry he should be ranked higher cause I am not a liar and not insecure. Also all these guys made lots of money. Are you a fan or a groupie? If they didn’t care - they wouldn’t be constantly complaining about it - LeBron wouldn’t be paying people in the media through Klutch sports to make ridiculous takes pushing his “goat” case. It’s pathetic. Why don’t you try to actually make an argument for LeBron or KD - you said they have a lot of money like it’s your money like since they are rich they are above it lmao! First they talk about it like I said - also, what kind of fan comparing sports players says one is great cause they made more money? That’s how the women who Zion Williams sleeps with think. Maybe that’s what you are worried about.
@@seph8529 it’s funny when somebody says something puts 😆 as if they’re actually saying something intelligent and then nobody likes anything that they say because they’re a clown you really school this boy who is talking to you when his little dumb ass
@@seph8529 ill break down a few points and provide my own opinion, The Superteam Era: It's important to remember that while LeBron did join forces with other stars in Miami, the concept of consolidating talent isn't new. Legends like Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and even Michael Jordan played alongside multiple Hall of Famers. LeBron's move to Miami can be seen as a modern player's answer to front office decisions; instead of executives forming teams, players took that power into their own hands. Championships & Legacies: LeBron's legacy isn't solely defined by his rings. His all-around game, leadership, longevity, and consistency make him one of the all-time greats. Not winning a title every year doesn't diminish his impact or accomplishments. Dynasty Argument: Every team LeBron has joined became an instant contender. His influence on the game, both on and off the court, is undeniable. The Miami Heat weren't a dynasty before LeBron, and his return to Cleveland turned the Cavaliers from a lottery team to NBA champions. Media & Respect: Michael Jordan's era had a different media landscape. While it's true that Jordan didn't publicly demand respect, he was known for creating imagined slights to fuel his competitive fire. LeBron's interactions with the media reflect today's digital age, where every statement can be amplified on social media platforms. Comparing Legacies: Pitting LeBron against Jordan or any other legend overlooks the unique challenges each faced. Every era has its hurdles, and LeBron's dominance in an age of player empowerment, advanced sports science, and high-level competition across teams speaks volumes about his greatness. Challenges: It's a misconception that LeBron avoids challenges. He faced super teams in the Spurs and the Warriors, led a Cavaliers team to a championship against a 73-win Warriors squad, and continues to compete at an elite level despite being in the league for nearly two decades. Monetary Arguments: Athletes today, LeBron included, have more avenues for income due to the rise of personal branding and digital platforms. LeBron's off-the-court ventures should be celebrated, not used to diminish his basketball legacy. The idea that he pays the media for positive coverage remains a speculative claim without substantial evidence. GOAT Debate: The 'Greatest of All Time' debate is inherently subjective. Arguments can be made for several players, based on varying criteria. LeBron's continuous comparison to past legends is a testament to his influence and skill in the game.
Never put Lebron and KD in the same conversation again casual, the HEAT were a 47 wins team in 2010, Wade wasn’t a 2x reigning MVP like Curry, and the Warriors already had a Big 3 with Curry, the best shooter and off ball player ever, Draymond, the best Defender of this generation and Klay, the 2nd best shooter ever, so they already had a system, a system built around Curry, and they already had an amazing chemistry they were a 73 wins team ! Lebron FORMED a Big 3, KD JOINED a Big 3 and so he formed a big 4, he didn’t have to do anything to fit with this team while Lebron, Wade and Bosh only played together with the USA team, they had to build that team, and Wade was a very bad 3 pts shooter, so he wasn’t the best fit for Lebron, they literally had to put Lebron at the 4 and Bosh at the 5 for better spacing, that’s why Bron was so big in Miami. So it’s completely different, the Warriors without KD could beat the CAVS, and probably any team in the history of the NBA, the HEAT without Lebron would be a 55 wins and ECF team at best, especially after 2012 when Wade and even Bosh on a lesser extend were out of their prime and injury prone. What KD did in 2017 when he was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the world would be like if Shaq joined the BULLS in 96 after their 72 wins season, at the time Shaq was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the world after MJ and Karl Malone maybe. Or it would be like if Lebron joined the Spurs in 2007 or 2014, or the Celtics in 2008 after losing to them, and this wouldn’t even be as bad as what KD did because the 2016 Warriors were in another level than these teams even if they lost in the Finals. But just imagine Lebron with a prime Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Coach Pop, or with a prime Kawhi, Parker and an old but still Top 10 player in the league Duncan, and an old but still great player Ginobili.. Or imagine Lebron with a prime KG, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Rondo … This would be similar to what KD did, but Lebron joining Wade and Bosh is similar to KD joining Harden and Kyrie, or KD joining Booker and Beal/Ayton, and i still think that these teams are more talented and that their players fit together better than the Lebron HEAT. And don’t even talk about the Lebron, Kyrie and Love CAVS, because they don’t fit any description of a superteam, Kyrie and Love weren’t Top 10 players and they never had a dominant regular season or post season run, it was similar to Jokic, Murray and MPJ or Aaron Gordon+ other great role players or Kawhi, Siakam, Kyle Lowry and great role players like Marc Gasol, Danny Green, FVV or Ibaka. This season Jamal Murray was the 1st player ever to average 30+pts on 50/40/90 split in the WCF, imagine having a 2nd option averaging 33ppg like prime Steph Curry, this was Murray in the ECF, and then Jamal was the only player ever to average 20+ppg and 10+ assists in the Finals with Lebron, MJ and Magic, but for some reason he is underated, but the numbers don’t lie Murray is just as good if not better than Kyrie, this same Murray dropped 2 50pts game in the same playoffs serie against Utah in 2020, only player ever to do that too, Murray is better than Kyrie, and MPJ or Aaron Gordon were just as good as K.Love, Aaron Gordon averaged 13.3 ppg on 58% Ts while playing elite defense on KAT, Ant, KD, Booker, Lebron and AD, and MPJ averaged 13.4ppg and 8.1 rebounds on 54% Ts while playing great defense with his 6’10 frame … And K.Love averaged 14.7ppg and 8.8 rebounds on 53% Ts in 2016 playoffs run, so very similar numbers and impact as AG and MPJ, but just because he was the 1st option on a bad team and had better stats when he was younger people think he was a superstar lol, that’s like saying Wiggins was a superstar on the Wolves because he averaged 23ppg and played elite defense .. K.Love was never that guy, reason why in his 16 years career, he only made the playoffs 5 times lol, 4 with Lebron and once with Jimmy this year 🤷🏾♂️
True. The slight difference is that Miami was not a contender, the addition of LBJ is what made them a contender. GSW was a champion before KD and were still the favorite despite losing in 2016.
He learned it from the ultimate competition avoider, LeBron James. He probably felt like he had to cuz any time they would get close, LeBron would be out there building a super team
not gonna lie, what you said was bullshit lol. Bron didn't go to the Celtics, Dallas or the Spurs after they bested him. KD betrayed his competitive spirit, and friends for the team that beat him. Bron got beat by better teams, and decided to try to get EVEN by joining his best friend a declining AllStar with a mid level all star being Bosh. KD joined THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL TIME .. im not even the biggest Bron fan but they stuff y'all say be so bad and biased as hell that it's annoying 😑
@@jrue7639warriors without was not the best all time team lmao they dident even win it all that year when they beat the record and winning the chip is what matters
this a bs comparison. lebron didnt join a team that beat or a team that was already well constructed or had one of the 2 best players in the world. he didnt join the celtics or lakers or someone like that. he went to a heat team that was an 8 seed the year before he came and only won 43 games or something. on top of that lebron had no help in cleveland. kd had an amazing squad in okc, choked a 3-1 lead, and then joined golden state the team that he lost too that had the second best player in the world. in 2011 dwade was like top 7 but def not 3 and maybe top 5 if even. kd was already with a top 5 players in the league in okc when he was w russell westbrook, but needed to join the number 2 guy in the league in steph. weak af
Serious? Imagine being on a team with Klay and Steph in their primes, two of the best shooters in the league. They space the floor wide open, and you can take your shot wherever you want it. That was just ridiculously easy.
Excelent video. Pretty much sums it all up. KD will count on future generations to shout out his greatness. But we the witnesses will know the truth. Always a Rider, never a Driver.
Lebron started this. He joined his competition Wade and Bosh instead of competing against them. Getting 2 easy rings and has the audacity to call himself Goat. Durant and Curry followed and also got easy rings. Destroying the natural balance of the NBA. Its like the equivalent of Jordan joining up with Bird and Magic or Jordan joining Kemp and Payton. You could not call yourself a Goat if you have a powerhouse team like that.
The Cavs team never lost to the Heat to be fair they lost to the Celtics every year. If LBJ joined the Celtics I would call a spade a spade but he joined Dwayne Wade and a weak Heat team at the time. Lebron and Chris Bosh who were both signed from other teams and the Heat were not dominant the year prior at all so its not that much of a comparison. The Heat Super Team was formed to compete with the Celtics and the Spurs of that Era so again Lebron did not start the super team era. I am not a Lebron fan BTW although he is the greatest player the NBA has ever seen when he came back to Cleveland and won a championship against a 73 win Warrior squad with a non Super Team down 3-1 in the finals.
@@shender78facts mfs act like the Celtics didn’t just put 3 all star caliber players on their team first even before then the Rodman Jordan and Scottie bulls these type of teams have been around way before bron he just made player movement more mainline
Kevin Durant going to the Warriors didn’t mess up his legacy. He was a free agent, so he had the right to make that move to better his career and that’s what he did by winning two championships and two finals MVPs. He was never going to be seen as a top 5 player anyways. And a lot of the hate comes from him stopping LeBron from winning more championships. so at the end of the day he should not care what the media or fans say because no one can ever take away his two championships and two finals MVPs.
@@puncho8799joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston in five games is not the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDILY RUINING THE NBA BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC PURPOSELY CHOKE A 3+1 lead to in the wcf when he could've went to any team that he wanted to.
@@michaelkirschner6009 People only say KD ruined the NBA because he stopped LeBron from getting more championships so I’m happy he did what he did, and once he realizes he shouldn’t care what the media says or fans say, he will be a lot more happier with his self and career
The 2017 warriors was getting their ass handed to them by the spurs on their home court in the western conference finals. They had to resort sending zaza to purposely injure Kawhi to win the series.
Durant should have gone to Golden State and owned his decision. Leaving like he did then failing in a self-made team only makes him look weak. He could have stayed in Golden State and had them can Draymond and the medical staff. He could have another 1 or 2 rings and felt less like a mercenary.
The first quote is why LeBron and KD will NEVER be “the goat”. They took massive short cuts and still accomplished less. Now they both cry that they deserve more credit?? Soft soft soft - these super teams killed the NBA. It’s not politics - right wing racists want everything to be caused by something not being racist and fascist enough. The super teams and the load management are killing the NBA. KD got participation rings like LeBron did in Miami. LeBron will never escape going to Miami and 2011 just like KD will never recover from blowing a 3-1 lead then joining that team. “Player empowerment” has meant fan disempowerment. I am all for these guys getting paid - they get tons of money cause the league makes that much. But the trade requests too. The NBA players have it too good. The NFL players would kill to have guaranteed contracts - these guys are ruining what Magic and Bird and Jordan built.
The difference is KD doesn't have minions in the media to shape the narrative of his career. Instead, he spends all his time on social media using fake accounts lol. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. This era was the weirdest era of basketball; I'm glad it's coming to a close & returning to some level of normalcy.
The Boston Celtics are really to blame for all these team trying to make super teams not LeBron remember he spent a couple years trying to get through the Boston Celtics before he went to the Miami Heat
The celtics built their team through trades and these guys were all 30+ Lebron was the first Superstar in his prime who teamed up with two other superstars in their prime without any trades. He basically left the cavs in shambles. So yes Lebron started it.
@@alberteinstein9591kg had a no trade clause so he could have prevented it if he wanted, the Celtics started it sorry not sorry, ik you prolly can't understand that though with LeBron always on your mind💀😂😂
@@xxac3zn8zxx87 "rent free" gotta be the most overused response to someone criticizing lebron. Just cause I've seen a comment I didn't agree with and voiced my opinion doesn't mean Lebrons on my mind all day😂 Not pulling the no trade clause when being traded into a better situation at 31 years old is not the same as teaming up with two other superstars in their mid 20s.
Why not? Barnes had just had a horrible finals and was asking for money the Warriors didn’t want to pay him and he eventually signed with the Mavs. Open roster spot at the 3. KD was a free agent at the same time. Damn, he’s a 3. What team wouldn’t try to sign him if they could?
@@cycleoflife565 that's my point. The Warriors were smart in trying to get him. The Spurs had just won 67 games and still had Kawhi and still in prime LaMarcus Aldridge and they recruited him lol.
It’s the move that honestly made Kevin Durant on top of my most hated NBA players. He isn’t even a good leader and blames the teams failures on his teammates rather then owning up to it! Of course when he lost Harden and Kyrie he didn’t want to be in Brooklyn and is once again a sidekick to a better player in Devin Booker. He can’t lead a team, even when all the pieces were right for him he still couldn’t lead a team to a championship. And I can for sure tell you that he isn’t gonna win with the Suns, especially with the team they have now.
Joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston in five games is not the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDILY RUINING THE NBA BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC PURPOSELY CHOKE a 3-1 lead to in the wcf when he could've been on any team he wanted to
Look at the teams recruiting him. I'll leave the Warriors out because we already know how that went. But you had a 67 win Spurs team recruiting him. They had arguably the best two player in the league at that time in Kawhi Leonard. And they had a still really good LaMarcus Aldridge, along with a 5x championship coach and that whole Spurs system. Then there's the Clippers. CP3, Blake Griffin in his prime, DeAndre Jordan. Who else was it? The Knicks? Wtf was going to that trash can fire of a franchise back then? OKC? Shit he played with Russ for 7 years up to that point and couldn't get it done. I guess going home to play for the Wizards would've sufficed. Prime John Wall and Bradley Beal (now his teammate). His options were limited in terms of y'all wanting him to win "from the ground up" championships lol 🤣🤣🤣 he could've gone to any of those teams and y'all still would've had a problem with him lol.
I think it's time for them just to give a participation Trophy and not a championship trophy because people don't care how easy you make it to get the championship anymore
@@jameshill9579 that's one way of looking at it. Another way could be that these players that complain about it could've just worked their asses off to beat the Warriors
Could you please clarify what you are specifically looking for? Are you asking for the exact NBA bylaw that prohibits a player like KD from joining the Golden State Warriors? Or are you wondering if there is any rule that says a player of KD's caliber cannot enter any team he wants? As for the comparison to the New York Yankees, the NBA, and MLB have different rules and regulations. Please provide more context so that I can assist you better. Thank you.
Joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston isn't the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDIDLY RUINING THE LEAGUE BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC choke a 3-1 lead to in the WCF.
@@michaelkirschner6009 you’re a typical LeBronze fan that uses stats with no context. LEBRONZE AND KD DID THE SAME THING. Wade was a Finals MVP, a top 5 player, and both him and Bosh made multiple Olympics and all stars. And then you’re gonna add the best player in the league- in their peak prime in age. THAT is a super team, playing in that WEAK Leastern conference. Don’t say LeBronze was different. At least KD had to go through that much tougher western conference.
@@derrrick7759 and you're the typical casual fan who don't know shit about basketball. Bron's move isn't okay either but the difference here is Miami before Bron in 2010 is Wade and a bunch of role players that isn't even good. Bron team up with wade and bosh and build a team around them. KD joined an already established team. FYI in 2012-2014 even if Miami is in West they would still beat those teams. The Mavs at this point is nowhere near their 2011 run. Western conference teams like the Grizzlies, Clippers, Rockets, are mid, they had no chance on beating the Heat. Spurs and Thunder are the ones capable of being competitive with Miami but they can still beat them so saying they are on "WEAK" eastern conference as your point is just as stupid as you.
Thank You! Literally everthing I thought,you mentioned! I used to be a huge fan of KD however after that move to the Warriors and the 2 most emptiest championships in NBA history I lost a lot of respect for him. Then the entitled behaviour in brooklyn and the trade to Phoenix just cemented him as the biggest bitch in NBA history. I am now a subscriber!
Empty how is Lebron kyrie and love not great players so when u say dumb shit like that it means u think those guys are trash fool cause that’s who he had to beat to get those rings not just anybody stop the Bs just cause he cooked Lebron and made it look easy doesn’t mean it was easy Nigga period
He took a pay cut as well to join GS...I dont see how people can clown LeBron and like KD....Bron didn't have a team in Cleveland (1st time) before he went to Miami
And he went to the team that beat him, when he was 1 game away from reaching the finals, but he choked, if Jordan was not competitive or was chasing rings, he would have joined the lakers with his old coach, with shaq & Kobe, but he didn’t, he joined the wizards.
I was disappointed in Kevin Durant when he pulled a LeBron James move because he actually lease signed with the Oklahoma City thunder instead of jumping ship like LeBron, but it actually shows how weak both of them are I would say LeBron is a little more weaker because it soon as his contract was up, he was out of there, but they change the league and ruin the NBA for a period of time where they made it boring to watch
Bro bron had to deal with an awfull cavs team that he dragged to the finals once and got mauled by the spurs. His front office also did jackshit for him. Then the celtics form a super team and his chances to go to the finals are basically gone. It was basically impossible to win no matter how hard he tried since bball is a 5 man game. I personally respect his decision to go to the heat. Superstars like kobe and mj were also about to leave their teams till their front office helped them. That aint the case with bron. Imagine kobe or mj sitting with a god awfull roster for 7 years and a bad fromt office. Impossible. They would have left or taken drastic measures to improve the roster.
Lmao I mean the team was smooth but as an overall fan watching a wasted 82 game season to see the team anyone in the world would’ve pick to win it all year after year was not exciting whatsoever to me
That series against Milwaukee when all his guys were hurt made me like KD again. I wish he would’ve stayed in OKC, they didn’t reach their potential because of injuries. I also think if KD and Russ changed their philosophy, and had better coaching they could’ve won it all.
@@life0093fr, in wrestling terms it was a bit like KD turning face after 4 years of being a heel. Really gotta respect that he gave it his all and only really was denied because of his shoe size. Then he requested a trade to Phoenix and turned heel again, joining another super team.
You know I do agree with this but it's kinda hypocritical how nobody brings up LeBron going to Miami!!! In my opinion LeBron made it OK for superstars to make rhwse weak moves but KD somehow gets blamed??? Smh
The 08 celtics and heat superteam are not even comparable. Lebron was the first superstar who left his team in their prime in free agency to team up with other superstars. The celtics built their team through trades. Don't credit Lebron for changing free agency forever but then defend him when someone is saying he started the superteam movement.
Many of the so called, top 10, of all time, have being in a superstart teams - for example Magic! Johnson wouldn't win 5 - I don't know if he could win even 2 titles if he was drafted by another team! What about Barkley? Is it great being one of the best players and at the same time ringless?
Everything around KD is overly tainted by media opinion. In every other sport players always want to A. Play with the best players B. Play on winning teams C. Earn money. I have never seen a problem with it. We should be more focused on things like all star weekend being ruined because the best player in the league played in the weaker conference so couldn’t win. So we changed the game no more East vs West. No more defence. No more real game!!! Yet we spend time vilifying people who make decisions that benefit them. There is no loyalty in sports ONLY fans are loyal End of story
I think it depends on how you’re consuming the game. To be frank, I think about 75% of NBA fans take the game way too serious. Really, the game is about entertainment and they even stipulate that in the NBA code of conduct where they reserve the right to make alterations to the game in any way in name of “entertainment.” At the end of the day, I’m watching basketball to be entertained. As “competitive” as the teams in the NBA are now relative to 2015-2016, the game just doesn’t feel as exciting. 2014-2017 was just a time to be alive for basketball fans. It doesn’t feel like that now but looking back on it, we’re going to realize there won’t be many teams as FUN TO WATCH as the Steph n KD warriors.
@TooLazyToHoop As Knicks fan from Monte Carlo here. 1- KD still playing u know that right? again you here talkin about kd to have like's and views for something that happend 4/5yrs ago24/7 KD KD KD. it’s lose lose for modern nba players. we ridicule kd for ring chasing but in the same breath ridicule dame for being loyal. do you know KD is FIBA hall of fame if he stop playing today? not lebron no shaq no barkley not other player but KD fiba hall of fame. funny stuff u guys wants him to play with kevin heart and win a champion more like, why not blame warriors organization and curry to accept him?
All these people tryna bring up lebron so sad and pathetic its just adorable😂😂anyone tryna compare the moves are just proving they dont know and have never touched a basketball in their lives💀
Lebron loved media brainwashed people to hate kd for ruining the “league” but in fact all he did was ruin lebron legacy 😂 now they’re passing the hate unto their kids 😂
I love how people are saying lebron started this as if their situations are the same. Lebron led the way in the player empowerment movement absolutely. But he came together with wade and bosh to creat a power structure in Miami. KD literally hopped ship to a team that was 1 block away from capping off the greatest season in NBA history. Stop the narratives cause y’all hate Bron bro it’s getting outrageous 😭
kevin durant is the only player i actually enjoy seeing get completely shit on bc i think he’s the only player in the league that truly deserves it other than harden and kyrie kevin durant is a multi millionaire star athlete who made the most bum trade in history, argues with random people on twitter all day, and is extremely overrated in my opinion simply because he’s won championships on probably the most stacked team in the history of the nba. he will not be remembered for his talents at scoring the basketball, but being a sore loser, pathetic, and being part of the most unpopular move in the history of the sport.
Dont let the warriors off the hook as if KD was forced upon those core players including that big mouth Greene. They begged KD to come to GS after losing in spectacular fashion to the Cavs. They to were looking for a competitive advantage. KDs biggest problem is that he listens to the opinions of others and lets it affect him. It is clear that he's not a leader/alpha and doesn't want to be and he doesn't seem to want to be considered the greatest ever, he isnt motivated like that. Barkley always attacks KD as a bus-rider because KDs an easy target but he will not level the same critcism at Lebron or others for fear of the backlash. Alot of the hate KD got for that move was from the Lebron loving media/fanbase who knew that move ment Lebron wasn't going to win. KD should have never left GS, he was the difference maker on those teams and had he'd stayed it would increasingly be thought of as his team. But he left because he let that bs narrative get to him that he needed to play elsewhere in order to have the respect of dopes like Barkley. MJ's statement in that clip is genuine as he's the alpha of all alpha's, he wanted to dominate. KDs not that guy and has never pretended to be like Lebron fakes it.
draymond once said that kd cared about being better than lebron, though not goat of delusions like lebron does, but he attempted to become the best in the league by being on a stacked team winning
And thats why Curry is also guilty of this. He recruited KD to get easy rings. Forming a very powerful Superteam with Steph, Green, Curry and KD. These guys dont like competition. they are just guilty as Lebron
Tats why all star game sucks these days, back then u only see superstars who wanna beat each other play in the one game. Nowadays, just follow one or 2 teams, u gt the all star game
The video of MJ saying that was when Lebron joined Wade and Bosh two top elite superstars Captains of Miami Toronto and Cavs! That’s a fact wasn’t because KD joined Curry!
If he stayed in OKC he’d be remembered as one of the greatest players of all time, now he’ll be remembered with an asterisk next to all of his accomplishments
Fact
Very much agreed.
That Bron playoff run thou.....dude took literal scrubs to the finals and that game 1 is the best game bron ever played. Everybody with hands and legs was guarding Bron and he still dropped 50! KD will be the precum to Brons legacy
Realistically Hes not winning a chip in okc, theres no way his legacy is better
What accomplishments?
Funny how the past 3 finals have been won by superstars who stayed with their team
KD will go down as one of the softest players in NBA history, and funny enough, in retrospect, Draymond Green will also go down as one of the most toxic teammates in NBA history. Say what you will about KD joining the Warriors, but in hindsight, he was right to leave them.
I think him leaving doesnt get talked about enough like he could of stayed an won at least one or two more
@@Cooldude_987 He very well could have, but I do believe he told the truth as to why he left the Warriors, especially as Draymond Green made a fool of himself and had the Jordan Poole assault that the Warriors covered his ass for and gave Jordan Poole a hush contract last year. They really proved KD's point when he said the organization will just sweep shit under the rug, in reference to Draymond running KD out of town and being a bad teammate to the guy he wanted to come to GS in the first place. I think that aspect really should get talked about more often.
Nah give lebron the softest players he's the reason why superteams are a thing, he backstabbed and betrayed the cavs by joining the heat with Chris bosh and Dwayne wade
@@francoisnaufahu30 tbh lebron wouldn't have done what KD did, join the team that beat him
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 LeBron literally recruited Kawhi to LA after he won FMVP in 2019 & KD as well. If LeBron never won a championship, there's no telling what he would've done because it's clear that he's more than willing to play with all the best players available to give himself the best odds at winning.
The funny part in all of this is LeBron created this player empowerment movement and people hate KD for exercising said movement
Because they only wanted lebron to benefit from it
@@luffyuzumaki6354nah I'm happy kd left okc
Spurs Boston were available
Joining specifically the team that whooped your ass that's a bitch move
Soft cupcake
I mean Lebron also got/gets a lot of hate for his move to Miami. Also, context matters. Durant joined a 73 win team that had just beaten him in the conference finals. Lebron didn't do that.
@@yo7885 ...LeBronze didn't have to, he already was in a much weaker Eastern Conference, that's why he made it to 9+ consecutive NBA finals.
The difference is LeBron comes back to his OG team and wins them a chip, also he's been in the finals from 2007,2011-2018,2020, LeBron been dominant in east led 3 teams into finals and a championship ,KD been in finals for 2012,2017,2018,2019 and he didn't even try to comeback in OKC to win a ring, he's also saying some stuff which affects his legacy
The LeBron favored media will never forgive KD for joining the Warriors and beating LeBron in consecutive Finals.
NEVER.
But but brons move was soo weak KD just did what was best for him (sarcasm) the KD defense for this is wild but they tear down bron for Miami without hesitation
Jordan fans would've dropped dead if not for KD. Skip Bayless first and then Skap Attack. Without it James pulls off another back to back or first threepeat. Ties Jordan on chips and fmvp and also gets the scoring record. Argument is long over.
Ninjas who are 20k deep in Jordan shoes have an identity crisis and The Last Dance becomes 3 documentaries.
KD just did what Lebron did but he did it better 😂
The era of collusion 😆
@@andrewcook1246lmao Warriors were smacking lebron even without KD bro
@@andrewcook1246Can you just stop already? I already destroyed you on the last one. Still lying to yourself huh? Still can’t accept reality huh? Now you’ve got to rewrite history and imagine some championships for LeBron!?😂 If LeBron was “that guy,” he would’ve won when he had the chance. I‘ll bet you he wishes he had a Time Machine too.
Lebron set the blueprint by running to Wade’s team and KD did his version. Players now want to stack their teams and load manage and pretend like they should still be compared to players like Hakeem.
The Celtics started it. Dream had very rocky relationship with the Rockets demanding trades several times before they won their titles.
Blame the cavs for that incompetent roster lebron had to deal with for 7 years😂
@@yandhijpeg exactly. Not everyone is built like Hakeem.
I dunno man… there’s a difference between going and joining Wade and Bosh vs going to join at 72 win team that beat you in the playoffs last year.
@@rorank Both equate to the same thing as far as wanting to play on another champions team in your conference with multiple allstars. When Miami beat the Celtics and Ray Allen left the Celtics to play with the team that he just lost to, it resulted in him being an instrumental part of Miami’s championship. We’ve seen players doing this going all the way back to Silky.
I disagreed with at least half of the opinions in this video yet still found it thoroughly enjoyable. Well done.👏🏾👏🏾😎
Respect 🙏
Warriors winning the 2022 championship validates Draymond's statement that they can win without him and invalidates the statement Warriors can't win without KD which tarnishes KD's legacy more that is why he requested a trade to the Suns.
That was one of the reasons I wanted the Warriors to win that championship. It would prove the validity of that core Warriors team, get Curry a FMVP, and essentially be the ultimate middle finger to KD.
I’ve been thinking about this recently, with the cap space increase he could have signed so many other places and had just a good a shot at winning. New Orleans, Clippers, Rockets, Spurs, Raptors, Wizards, Celtics, and many more
Durant was fully aware when he did it of the likely blowback from signing with the Warriors/
Clippers would’ve been perfect
Or Rockets imo, prime James Harden and Prime KD would have lethal duo and could’ve won a championship. Hell even the Trail Blazers would’ve worked as well
Clippers, Celtics (with a smart rebuild), Rockets. Good shot with all of those teams, I mean even staying with the Thunder was still a viable option but I do think they had peaked already.
@@navonmyhand7999 I say the Celtics because KD could have maybe gotten it done with Al Horford and IT at his peak. But rebuilding around him is a cool idea I didn't think of :O
Let’s be clear. Don’t penalize KD for the move but glorify Curry for the outcome of it.
Nah...fault the move. It was a weak move. He's a great player but overall a loser. Still credit Curry for the chips.
But nah, KD a bish.
Curry wasn't fully validated until his last ring.
Don't forget the LeBron lead Heat inspired such moves and the 08 Celtics inspired Bron's 2010 off-season move
I have to still give curry credit because he was still the most valuable player on the team
@@AwesomeCoolParker the audacity 😂😂😂😂 the internet is a wild place
People will tell you to let it go man. But too many people out here will tell you it didn’t matter or it wasn’t that important or a big of a deal. He basically won two free championships and every legend agreed that it was a terrible move smh
Why does that matter, tho? Over 50% of the overall game is strictly for entertainment. Only around 35% of the ACTUAL game is winning championships n in the name of entertainment I think thats FINE. Ball doesnt have to be this overly competitive game ALL THE TIME. For 2-3 years, players should be ALLOWED to ( if they’ve already dedicated HIGHLY EFFECTIVE YEARS to an organization ) move around and have fun with the game of basketball. Its not like they were unbeatable because they lost in their best season 😂 they were just a really good roster and frankly love it or hate it, it was fun to watch as a consumer.
@@relevancy1123 no it was not when you know the outcome of the Finals series already due to one team being overly stacked. Competitive basketball is entertainment and visually appealing 😂😂😂
Find me a legend who thought any of Lebron's moves were a good idea. They all laugh at him. Maybe LA, but that wasn't even a basketball move, he went there to set up his post career ambitions.
but clearly you didn't know the result of the finals series cause nobody in the world expected the cavaliers to beat the 73-9 warriors son. what are you even talking about people were saying that team was better than 95-96 bulls, the greatest basketball team to ever play lmao. so what you're saying don't even add up. n then they lost to Tornto. They were never an unbeatable team. Nor an unstoppable team. They were just good for two seasons. LMAO@@michaelbarnes2126
@@relevancy1123 🤣🤣🤣 where the percentages come from?
wow nba fans still angry about gsw to this day
Only thing I have to say: you credited the injuries for Toronto winning their chip, but you didn't credit how the Bucks won their chip off of the Nets stars being injured (would've added how it was his moment to be the "bus driver"). Nor did you mention how he singlehandedly almost beat that team (prevented only by his foot being on the line). It would've maintained and improved your argument near the conclusion and brought home how though he almost did win a chip (almost defeating the to-be champions), putting up a great effort and almost redeeming himself, people will forget this years from now due to his move--being another point to how he seemingly can have great moments/feats but they will always be overlooked and not given credit because of his past actions; an asterisk next to his name, despite his greatness. Other than that, great vid.
Curry is also guilty in part. He and his coach personally recruited KD, forming a Super powerhouse team. Making them guilty of getting easy rings. This tarnished the league's competition
I thought it was Draymond that recruited him
@@jasonquinlan1733so much for thinking
That's a sorry excuse. The league's competition should've took it upon themselves to step their game up. All I saw was a bunch of weak ass whining and complaining about the Warriors from players that had a chance to bring that level of competition needed.
@@Matthew-uq4hu Complaining and whining never solved anything, but the way I see it, those two championships were inevitable. We're talking about the best team in the league getting an MVP caliber player as a luxury piece. No amount of stepping up anyones game was going to stop the warriors from rawdogging the league unless you turned this into a video game and entered in cheat codes. In 2019 Kawhi Leonard was an amazing player and the raptors as a whole were a great team, but injuries definitely played a part in them winning that ring against Golden State. That's just how I see things though.
@@bigjayiv the 2018 Rockets had them on the ropes. The 2017 Spurs could've probably given them a very good run for their money had Kawhi not gotten hurt.
Lol. He followed LeBron's example - he ran, tail tucked, to Wade's team 😂😂
2016
@@aidelai4098never forget....Not 4 not 5 not 6 😂😂😂
@@daleclark4750 like that changes anything he won championships and that's it
It’s amazing how many people babbling about James when the video is about Durant 😂 The obsession is real
@@daleclark4750not 7😂😂😂😂
Durant 's championships should have a asterisk directly next to them.
Because u said so ?
@@MeloRiley-gb5pz Because it was absolutely ridiculous that a great player join a great team and get a easy championship. Again, ridiculous. Complete lack of a competior.
The 2 Miami super team championships and the 2 warriors super team ones marked a decade of LeBron and KD being too soft to compete and getting participation rings.
The basketball gods denied LeBron and KD a three peat and made it so LeBron was never a part of any dynasty - one of the reasons his goat claim is so patently absurd - and KD was a hired gun in someone else’s dynasty who showed they could win totally without him.
LeBron and KD destroyed their own and each others legacies.
@@ripperzbyszko3322 if they didn’t ruin their legacy - why are they always crying in the media for respect -
Jordan isn’t doing that.
It’s LeBron and KD - THEY are telling you they are insecure about their legacies.
Also I like them both. This is what LeBron fans do - they try to gaslight that Jordan isn’t as good or say “you don’t like LeBron so he isn’t the goat”.
It’s not just me saying it ruined their legacies - it’s NBA legends saying it - they indirectly tell you because it’s why they have to cry “I should be higher ranked”. No one who is the goat has to tell people they are.
There is no way you can cut up and repackage LeBron and KD’s career to make it better than Jordan or Kobe or Kareem.
People try but their arguments crumble the second they have to defend them and it becomes “Jordan was a bad owner” - and?
LeBron thought Westbrook would fit with him…and couldn’t make it work.
Jordan didn’t lose 3 games in a row from 1990-1998.
Just stop.
I do like LeBron and KD. They are both great players. I don’t like that they took massive short cuts and accomplished much less while doing it and now are trying to gaslight people they should be ranked ahead of guys who accomplished more with less help and not constantly running from challenges.
None of these guys are my personal favorite player. My favorite player is Allen Iverson. I don’t cry he should be ranked higher cause I am not a liar and not insecure.
Also all these guys made lots of money. Are you a fan or a groupie?
If they didn’t care - they wouldn’t be constantly complaining about it - LeBron wouldn’t be paying people in the media through Klutch sports to make ridiculous takes pushing his “goat” case. It’s pathetic.
Why don’t you try to actually make an argument for LeBron or KD - you said they have a lot of money like it’s your money like since they are rich they are above it lmao!
First they talk about it like I said - also, what kind of fan comparing sports players says one is great cause they made more money? That’s how the women who Zion Williams sleeps with think. Maybe that’s what you are worried about.
@@seph8529 it’s funny when somebody says something puts 😆 as if they’re actually saying something intelligent and then nobody likes anything that they say because they’re a clown you really school this boy who is talking to you when his little dumb ass
@@seph8529 ill make an argument
@@seph8529 ill break down a few points and provide my own opinion,
The Superteam Era: It's important to remember that while LeBron did join forces with other stars in Miami, the concept of consolidating talent isn't new. Legends like Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and even Michael Jordan played alongside multiple Hall of Famers. LeBron's move to Miami can be seen as a modern player's answer to front office decisions; instead of executives forming teams, players took that power into their own hands.
Championships & Legacies: LeBron's legacy isn't solely defined by his rings. His all-around game, leadership, longevity, and consistency make him one of the all-time greats. Not winning a title every year doesn't diminish his impact or accomplishments.
Dynasty Argument: Every team LeBron has joined became an instant contender. His influence on the game, both on and off the court, is undeniable. The Miami Heat weren't a dynasty before LeBron, and his return to Cleveland turned the Cavaliers from a lottery team to NBA champions.
Media & Respect: Michael Jordan's era had a different media landscape. While it's true that Jordan didn't publicly demand respect, he was known for creating imagined slights to fuel his competitive fire. LeBron's interactions with the media reflect today's digital age, where every statement can be amplified on social media platforms.
Comparing Legacies: Pitting LeBron against Jordan or any other legend overlooks the unique challenges each faced. Every era has its hurdles, and LeBron's dominance in an age of player empowerment, advanced sports science, and high-level competition across teams speaks volumes about his greatness.
Challenges: It's a misconception that LeBron avoids challenges. He faced super teams in the Spurs and the Warriors, led a Cavaliers team to a championship against a 73-win Warriors squad, and continues to compete at an elite level despite being in the league for nearly two decades.
Monetary Arguments: Athletes today, LeBron included, have more avenues for income due to the rise of personal branding and digital platforms. LeBron's off-the-court ventures should be celebrated, not used to diminish his basketball legacy. The idea that he pays the media for positive coverage remains a speculative claim without substantial evidence.
GOAT Debate: The 'Greatest of All Time' debate is inherently subjective. Arguments can be made for several players, based on varying criteria. LeBron's continuous comparison to past legends is a testament to his influence and skill in the game.
Steph is buu hurt by Lebron's success. Look at the length of that message
Seeking help is not a crime but taking it to the extreme like what LeBron or KD did killed fair competition
Never put Lebron and KD in the same conversation again casual, the HEAT were a 47 wins team in 2010, Wade wasn’t a 2x reigning MVP like Curry, and the Warriors already had a Big 3 with Curry, the best shooter and off ball player ever, Draymond, the best Defender of this generation and Klay, the 2nd best shooter ever, so they already had a system, a system built around Curry, and they already had an amazing chemistry they were a 73 wins team !
Lebron FORMED a Big 3, KD JOINED a Big 3 and so he formed a big 4, he didn’t have to do anything to fit with this team while Lebron, Wade and Bosh only played together with the USA team, they had to build that team, and Wade was a very bad 3 pts shooter, so he wasn’t the best fit for Lebron, they literally had to put Lebron at the 4 and Bosh at the 5 for better spacing, that’s why Bron was so big in Miami.
So it’s completely different, the Warriors without KD could beat the CAVS, and probably any team in the history of the NBA, the HEAT without Lebron would be a 55 wins and ECF team at best, especially after 2012 when Wade and even Bosh on a lesser extend were out of their prime and injury prone.
What KD did in 2017 when he was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the world would be like if Shaq joined the BULLS in 96 after their 72 wins season, at the time Shaq was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the world after MJ and Karl Malone maybe. Or it would be like if Lebron joined the Spurs in 2007 or 2014, or the Celtics in 2008 after losing to them, and this wouldn’t even be as bad as what KD did because the 2016 Warriors were in another level than these teams even if they lost in the Finals.
But just imagine Lebron with a prime Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Coach Pop, or with a prime Kawhi, Parker and an old but still Top 10 player in the league Duncan, and an old but still great player Ginobili.. Or imagine Lebron with a prime KG, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Rondo … This would be similar to what KD did, but Lebron joining Wade and Bosh is similar to KD joining Harden and Kyrie, or KD joining Booker and Beal/Ayton, and i still think that these teams are more talented and that their players fit together better than the Lebron HEAT.
And don’t even talk about the Lebron, Kyrie and Love CAVS, because they don’t fit any description of a superteam, Kyrie and Love weren’t Top 10 players and they never had a dominant regular season or post season run, it was similar to Jokic, Murray and MPJ or Aaron Gordon+ other great role players or Kawhi, Siakam, Kyle Lowry and great role players like Marc Gasol, Danny Green, FVV or Ibaka.
This season Jamal Murray was the 1st player ever to average 30+pts on 50/40/90 split in the WCF, imagine having a 2nd option averaging 33ppg like prime Steph Curry, this was Murray in the ECF, and then Jamal was the only player ever to average 20+ppg and 10+ assists in the Finals with Lebron, MJ and Magic, but for some reason he is underated, but the numbers don’t lie Murray is just as good if not better than Kyrie, this same Murray dropped 2 50pts game in the same playoffs serie against Utah in 2020, only player ever to do that too, Murray is better than Kyrie, and MPJ or Aaron Gordon were just as good as K.Love, Aaron Gordon averaged 13.3 ppg on 58% Ts while playing elite defense on KAT, Ant, KD, Booker, Lebron and AD, and MPJ averaged 13.4ppg and 8.1 rebounds on 54% Ts while playing great defense with his 6’10 frame … And K.Love averaged 14.7ppg and 8.8 rebounds on 53% Ts in 2016 playoffs run, so very similar numbers and impact as AG and MPJ, but just because he was the 1st option on a bad team and had better stats when he was younger people think he was a superstar lol, that’s like saying Wiggins was a superstar on the Wolves because he averaged 23ppg and played elite defense .. K.Love was never that guy, reason why in his 16 years career, he only made the playoffs 5 times lol, 4 with Lebron and once with Jimmy this year 🤷🏾♂️
True. The slight difference is that Miami was not a contender, the addition of LBJ is what made them a contender. GSW was a champion before KD and were still the favorite despite losing in 2016.
Trying to put those moves in the same sentence is adorable little bro💀extremely pathetic as well ngl😂
He learned it from the ultimate competition avoider, LeBron James. He probably felt like he had to cuz any time they would get close, LeBron would be out there building a super team
I don't know, 2016 was wide open, kevin love was injured with a concussion during that run, and was shown to be unreliable
not gonna lie, what you said was bullshit lol.
Bron didn't go to the Celtics, Dallas or the Spurs after they bested him.
KD betrayed his competitive spirit, and friends for the team that beat him.
Bron got beat by better teams, and decided to try to get EVEN by joining his best friend a declining AllStar with a mid level all star being Bosh.
KD joined THE GREATEST TEAM OF ALL TIME .. im not even the biggest Bron fan but they stuff y'all say be so bad and biased as hell that it's annoying 😑
Factssssss
@@jrue7639warriors without was not the best all time team lmao they dident even win it all that year when they beat the record and winning the chip is what matters
this a bs comparison. lebron didnt join a team that beat or a team that was already well constructed or had one of the 2 best players in the world. he didnt join the celtics or lakers or someone like that. he went to a heat team that was an 8 seed the year before he came and only won 43 games or something. on top of that lebron had no help in cleveland. kd had an amazing squad in okc, choked a 3-1 lead, and then joined golden state the team that he lost too that had the second best player in the world. in 2011 dwade was like top 7 but def not 3 and maybe top 5 if even. kd was already with a top 5 players in the league in okc when he was w russell westbrook, but needed to join the number 2 guy in the league in steph. weak af
He'll go down as a first ballot hall of famer no matter what we think of him
True
Easily.
Learned from the self proclaimed “goat”
People said that KD “better be the reason they won.” I think he WAS the reason and was THAT DUDE.
They still won without him though. He was THAT DUDE because defenses couldn't focus him
Serious? Imagine being on a team with Klay and Steph in their primes, two of the best shooters in the league. They space the floor wide open, and you can take your shot wherever you want it. That was just ridiculously easy.
"I wanted to beat the best, not join the best." Michael Jordan
Even the Warriors didn’t respect KD for that move. Ended up running him outta town
Excelent video. Pretty much sums it all up. KD will count on future generations to shout out his greatness. But we the witnesses will know the truth. Always a Rider, never a Driver.
Lebron started this. He joined his competition Wade and Bosh instead of competing against them. Getting 2 easy rings and has the audacity to call himself Goat. Durant and Curry followed and also got easy rings. Destroying the natural balance of the NBA. Its like the equivalent of Jordan joining up with Bird and Magic or Jordan joining Kemp and Payton. You could not call yourself a Goat if you have a powerhouse team like that.
When did LeBron join the Celtics?
The Cavs team never lost to the Heat to be fair they lost to the Celtics every year. If LBJ joined the Celtics I would call a spade a spade but he joined Dwayne Wade and a weak Heat team at the time. Lebron and Chris Bosh who were both signed from other teams and the Heat were not dominant the year prior at all so its not that much of a comparison. The Heat Super Team was formed to compete with the Celtics and the Spurs of that Era so again Lebron did not start the super team era. I am not a Lebron fan BTW although he is the greatest player the NBA has ever seen when he came back to Cleveland and won a championship against a 73 win Warrior squad with a non Super Team down 3-1 in the finals.
@@life0093😂😂😂😂 that’d be legit what KD did I gotta use this for real for this argument
@@shender78facts mfs act like the Celtics didn’t just put 3 all star caliber players on their team first even before then the Rodman Jordan and Scottie bulls these type of teams have been around way before bron he just made player movement more mainline
look at lebrons team before he left. if u want to blame something, blame clevelands front office
The full height of the NBA weirdo era. Were still in recovery.
That’s why I will keep on saying that KD literally pulled the “If I can’t beat them, join them” card.
Charles Barkley tried to form a superteam too and failed don’t be fooled 😂😂 they just mad they ain’t win
Kevin Durant going to the Warriors didn’t mess up his legacy. He was a free agent, so he had the right to make that move to better his career and that’s what he did by winning two championships and two finals MVPs. He was never going to be seen as a top 5 player anyways. And a lot of the hate comes from him stopping LeBron from winning more championships. so at the end of the day he should not care what the media or fans say because no one can ever take away his two championships and two finals MVPs.
it definitely messed up his legacy. he took the easy move out
@@getabuck If you’re going to say he took the easy way out you have to say the same thing about LeBron
@@puncho8799joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston in five games is not the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDILY RUINING THE NBA BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC PURPOSELY CHOKE A 3+1 lead to in the wcf when he could've went to any team that he wanted to.
@@michaelkirschner6009 People only say KD ruined the NBA because he stopped LeBron from getting more championships so I’m happy he did what he did, and once he realizes he shouldn’t care what the media says or fans say, he will be a lot more happier with his self and career
The 2017 warriors was getting their ass handed to them by the spurs on their home court in the western conference finals. They had to resort sending zaza to purposely injure Kawhi to win the series.
That’s karma cause 10 years earlier the spurs sent Robert Horry to knock Steve Nash into the scorer’s table
The 2016 season in general changed alot of legacies and franchises.
KD made LeSwept fake a hand injury in 2018 lol.
KD is a coward and ruined the NBA.
Durant should have gone to Golden State and owned his decision. Leaving like he did then failing in a self-made team only makes him look weak. He could have stayed in Golden State and had them can Draymond and the medical staff. He could have another 1 or 2 rings and felt less like a mercenary.
LEBRON STARTED ALL OF THIS MESS.....NOW A. DAVIS....
Drexler, Barkley, Shaq. Do you think MJ would have stayed if no Pippen, no Phil Jackson teach him how to win?
@@lenzoltanhell nah Jordan was joining the knicks if they didn’t build correctly
NBA still had energy then. It just ain’t the same.
Still has wdym
@@isaacsgamingandtechnologyc130 you say this after the playoffs this year has had maybe 2 marginally exciting games.
He's not even done. He joins Booker, Ayton and Beal now in Phoenix. Lmao
How many allstar games ayton made in 5 seasons? 0
The first quote is why LeBron and KD will NEVER be “the goat”.
They took massive short cuts and still accomplished less.
Now they both cry that they deserve more credit?? Soft soft soft - these super teams killed the NBA.
It’s not politics - right wing racists want everything to be caused by something not being racist and fascist enough.
The super teams and the load management are killing the NBA. KD got participation rings like LeBron did in Miami.
LeBron will never escape going to Miami and 2011 just like KD will never recover from blowing a 3-1 lead then joining that team.
“Player empowerment” has meant fan disempowerment.
I am all for these guys getting paid - they get tons of money cause the league makes that much. But the trade requests too. The NBA players have it too good.
The NFL players would kill to have guaranteed contracts - these guys are ruining what Magic and Bird and Jordan built.
The difference is KD doesn't have minions in the media to shape the narrative of his career. Instead, he spends all his time on social media using fake accounts lol. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up. This era was the weirdest era of basketball; I'm glad it's coming to a close & returning to some level of normalcy.
Imagine if Kobe joined Boston after losing
The Boston Celtics are really to blame for all these team trying to make super teams not LeBron remember he spent a couple years trying to get through the Boston Celtics before he went to the Miami Heat
The celtics built their team through trades and these guys were all 30+
Lebron was the first Superstar in his prime who teamed up with two other superstars in their prime without any trades. He basically left the cavs in shambles.
So yes Lebron started it.
So any team that beats LeBron is responsible for creating the monster of super team building?
@@alberteinstein9591kg had a no trade clause so he could have prevented it if he wanted, the Celtics started it sorry not sorry, ik you prolly can't understand that though with LeBron always on your mind💀😂😂
@@xxac3zn8zxx87 "rent free" gotta be the most overused response to someone criticizing lebron. Just cause I've seen a comment I didn't agree with and voiced my opinion doesn't mean Lebrons on my mind all day😂
Not pulling the no trade clause when being traded into a better situation at 31 years old is not the same as teaming up with two other superstars in their mid 20s.
He shouldve stayed a warrior. The KD Steph duo was so dominate and fun to watch.
The best team needed him apparently. Otherwise they wouldn't have been in the Hamptons recruiting him.
Why not? Barnes had just had a horrible finals and was asking for money the Warriors didn’t want to pay him and he eventually signed with the Mavs. Open roster spot at the 3. KD was a free agent at the same time. Damn, he’s a 3. What team wouldn’t try to sign him if they could?
@@cycleoflife565 that's my point. The Warriors were smart in trying to get him. The Spurs had just won 67 games and still had Kawhi and still in prime LaMarcus Aldridge and they recruited him lol.
Facts‼️
It’s the move that honestly made Kevin Durant on top of my most hated NBA players.
He isn’t even a good leader and blames the teams failures on his teammates rather then owning up to it! Of course when he lost Harden and Kyrie he didn’t want to be in Brooklyn and is once again a sidekick to a better player in Devin Booker.
He can’t lead a team, even when all the pieces were right for him he still couldn’t lead a team to a championship. And I can for sure tell you that he isn’t gonna win with the Suns, especially with the team they have now.
I blame Lebron for setting the precedent. Durant just followed in Lebron's footsteps.
Joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston in five games is not the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDILY RUINING THE NBA BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC PURPOSELY CHOKE a 3-1 lead to in the wcf when he could've been on any team he wanted to
KD does NOT compare to what James did team hoping wise it’s not even close
Lebron didn't have superstar help. Durant left his
Without this move there is no legacy
Nah KD soured that shit on purpose he knew he was leaving.
KD is the greatest player who barley deserves a jersey retirement.
Your weird
Look at the teams recruiting him. I'll leave the Warriors out because we already know how that went. But you had a 67 win Spurs team recruiting him. They had arguably the best two player in the league at that time in Kawhi Leonard. And they had a still really good LaMarcus Aldridge, along with a 5x championship coach and that whole Spurs system. Then there's the Clippers. CP3, Blake Griffin in his prime, DeAndre Jordan. Who else was it? The Knicks? Wtf was going to that trash can fire of a franchise back then? OKC? Shit he played with Russ for 7 years up to that point and couldn't get it done. I guess going home to play for the Wizards would've sufficed. Prime John Wall and Bradley Beal (now his teammate). His options were limited in terms of y'all wanting him to win "from the ground up" championships lol 🤣🤣🤣 he could've gone to any of those teams and y'all still would've had a problem with him lol.
I think it's time for them just to give a participation Trophy and not a championship trophy because people don't care how easy you make it to get the championship anymore
@@jameshill9579 that's one way of looking at it. Another way could be that these players that complain about it could've just worked their asses off to beat the Warriors
Thank you for this, remember being in pure befuddlement the day he signed with the warriors lol
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Could you please clarify what you are specifically looking for? Are you asking for the exact NBA bylaw that prohibits a player like KD from joining the Golden State Warriors? Or are you wondering if there is any rule that says a player of KD's caliber cannot enter any team he wants? As for the comparison to the New York Yankees, the NBA, and MLB have different rules and regulations. Please provide more context so that I can assist you better. Thank you.
It's like Malone joining with Jordan pippen rodman
If LeBronze joins a Super team, it’s okay, but if anyone does this, it’s not okay lol.
Joining a 47-35 team that lost in the 1st rd to Boston isn't the same thing as KD SINGLE HANDIDLY RUINING THE LEAGUE BY JOINING A 73-9 team that he helped OKC choke a 3-1 lead to in the WCF.
@@michaelkirschner6009 you’re a typical LeBronze fan that uses stats with no context. LEBRONZE AND KD DID THE SAME THING. Wade was a Finals MVP, a top 5 player, and both him and Bosh made multiple Olympics and all stars. And then you’re gonna add the best player in the league- in their peak prime in age. THAT is a super team, playing in that WEAK Leastern conference. Don’t say LeBronze was different. At least KD had to go through that much tougher western conference.
@@derrrick7759 and you're the typical casual fan who don't know shit about basketball. Bron's move isn't okay either but the difference here is Miami before Bron in 2010 is Wade and a bunch of role players that isn't even good. Bron team up with wade and bosh and build a team around them. KD joined an already established team. FYI in 2012-2014 even if Miami is in West they would still beat those teams. The Mavs at this point is nowhere near their 2011 run. Western conference teams like the Grizzlies, Clippers, Rockets, are mid, they had no chance on beating the Heat. Spurs and Thunder are the ones capable of being competitive with Miami but they can still beat them so saying they are on "WEAK" eastern conference as your point is just as stupid as you.
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Thank You! Literally everthing I thought,you mentioned! I used to be a huge fan of KD however after that move to the Warriors and the 2 most emptiest championships in NBA history I lost a lot of respect for him. Then the entitled behaviour in brooklyn and the trade to Phoenix just cemented him as the biggest bitch in NBA history. I am now a subscriber!
Empty how is Lebron kyrie and love not great players so when u say dumb shit like that it means u think those guys are trash fool cause that’s who he had to beat to get those rings not just anybody stop the Bs just cause he cooked Lebron and made it look easy doesn’t mean it was easy Nigga period
Lebum should be on this video aswell.
I have a question why do y’all clown KD and not Stephen curry who flew out soon as he lost to recruit kd in the first place 😂
Curry is lame too. Also draymond is a clown for running kd off.
Kevin’s legacy will forever be a bus rider who cant do it himself. Bad for the nba.
He took a pay cut as well to join GS...I dont see how people can clown LeBron and like KD....Bron didn't have a team in Cleveland (1st time) before he went to Miami
And he went to the team that beat him, when he was 1 game away from reaching the finals, but he choked, if Jordan was not competitive or was chasing rings, he would have joined the lakers with his old coach, with shaq & Kobe, but he didn’t, he joined the wizards.
But not passing the ball to kd and make a turnover is Lame 😂
I was disappointed in Kevin Durant when he pulled a LeBron James move because he actually lease signed with the Oklahoma City thunder instead of jumping ship like LeBron, but it actually shows how weak both of them are I would say LeBron is a little more weaker because it soon as his contract was up, he was out of there, but they change the league and ruin the NBA for a period of time where they made it boring to watch
I lost brain cells readings this
@@yandhijpeg I guess you’re a vegetable now
Bro bron had to deal with an awfull cavs team that he dragged to the finals once and got mauled by the spurs. His front office also did jackshit for him. Then the celtics form a super team and his chances to go to the finals are basically gone. It was basically impossible to win no matter how hard he tried since bball is a 5 man game. I personally respect his decision to go to the heat. Superstars like kobe and mj were also about to leave their teams till their front office helped them. That aint the case with bron. Imagine kobe or mj sitting with a god awfull roster for 7 years and a bad fromt office. Impossible. They would have left or taken drastic measures to improve the roster.
Kd the legend of cupcake
Cupsnake
kevin garnett is the culprit of all this.
great video, i subbed
Curry and Durant lowered each others legacy.
KD with the GSW was some of the best years to watch
Basketball.
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Lmao I mean the team was smooth but as an overall fan watching a wasted 82 game season to see the team anyone in the world would’ve pick to win it all year after year was not exciting whatsoever to me
@@Frosty1026 thanks for your opinion
holdup, the mj vid was during lbj’s signing with the heat, kd just copied bron as he’s always #2 vs lebron lol
Great player. But also a lack of competivness exists.
KD did I for Steve Kerr, who I feel was the only person to benefit from the move, IMO.
Why NBA fans act like KD didn't put in work at Brooklyn lol. Giannis wouldn't have made it to the Finals if KD hadn't have stepped on the line 😂
That series against Milwaukee when all his guys were hurt made me like KD again. I wish he would’ve stayed in OKC, they didn’t reach their potential because of injuries.
I also think if KD and Russ changed their philosophy, and had better coaching they could’ve won it all.
@@life0093fr, in wrestling terms it was a bit like KD turning face after 4 years of being a heel. Really gotta respect that he gave it his all and only really was denied because of his shoe size. Then he requested a trade to Phoenix and turned heel again, joining another super team.
Amen.
Kevin Durant secured his 2 cheap rings….but at what cost ?
Softest move of all time he looks like a clown celebrating those titles with the Warriors
Everybody with the exception of Bron fans can complain about it.
You know I do agree with this but it's kinda hypocritical how nobody brings up LeBron going to Miami!!! In my opinion LeBron made it OK for superstars to make rhwse weak moves but KD somehow gets blamed??? Smh
Great video
The 08 celtics and heat superteam are not even comparable. Lebron was the first superstar who left his team in their prime in free agency to team up with other superstars. The celtics built their team through trades. Don't credit Lebron for changing free agency forever but then defend him when someone is saying he started the superteam movement.
Well KD never came in referred to as a 🐐. Now that other dude who ran to Miami.....
Chris bosh was an all star how many times before joining d wade and bron? An 11 time all star all together in his career
Why does it ruin kd’s legacy but Lebron is praised for his championships while doing the same thing? Not a fan of either move but I’m curious
Many of the so called, top 10, of all time, have being in a superstart teams - for example Magic! Johnson wouldn't win 5 - I don't know if he could win even 2 titles if he was drafted by another team! What about Barkley? Is it great being one of the best players and at the same time ringless?
Everything around KD is overly tainted by media opinion.
In every other sport players always want to A. Play with the best players B. Play on winning teams C. Earn money.
I have never seen a problem with it.
We should be more focused on things like all star weekend being ruined because the best player in the league played in the weaker conference so couldn’t win. So we changed the game no more East vs West. No more defence. No more real game!!!
Yet we spend time vilifying people who make decisions that benefit them.
There is no loyalty in sports
ONLY fans are loyal
End of story
And lehoe, gets a pass?
I think it depends on how you’re consuming the game.
To be frank, I think about 75% of NBA fans take the game way too serious. Really, the game is about entertainment and they even stipulate that in the NBA code of conduct where they reserve the right to make alterations to the game in any way in name of “entertainment.”
At the end of the day, I’m watching basketball to be entertained. As “competitive” as the teams in the NBA are now relative to 2015-2016, the game just doesn’t feel as exciting. 2014-2017 was just a time to be alive for basketball fans. It doesn’t feel like that now but looking back on it, we’re going to realize there won’t be many teams as FUN TO WATCH as the Steph n KD warriors.
Why we hatin on kd all star teams and super teams been round for years.
@TooLazyToHoop As Knicks fan from Monte Carlo here. 1- KD still playing u know that right? again you here talkin about kd to have like's and views for something that happend 4/5yrs ago24/7 KD KD KD. it’s lose lose for modern nba players. we ridicule kd for ring chasing but in the same breath ridicule dame for being loyal. do you know KD is FIBA hall of fame if he stop playing today? not lebron no shaq no barkley not other player but KD fiba hall of fame. funny stuff u guys wants him to play with kevin heart and win a champion more like, why not blame warriors organization and curry to accept him?
Do Bron he joins the Heat Wade Finals MVP Bosh to win an🏆
Comparing LeBrons Miami move to KD going to GS is the casual mindset.
All these people tryna bring up lebron so sad and pathetic its just adorable😂😂anyone tryna compare the moves are just proving they dont know and have never touched a basketball in their lives💀
Lebron loved media brainwashed people to hate kd for ruining the “league” but in fact all he did was ruin lebron legacy 😂 now they’re passing the hate unto their kids 😂
I love how people are saying lebron started this as if their situations are the same. Lebron led the way in the player empowerment movement absolutely. But he came together with wade and bosh to creat a power structure in Miami. KD literally hopped ship to a team that was 1 block away from capping off the greatest season in NBA history. Stop the narratives cause y’all hate Bron bro it’s getting outrageous 😭
Cheapest move in the history of the NBA.
kevin durant is the only player i actually enjoy seeing get completely shit on bc i think he’s the only player in the league that truly deserves it other than harden and kyrie
kevin durant is a multi millionaire star athlete who made the most bum trade in history, argues with random people on twitter all day, and is extremely overrated in my opinion simply because he’s won championships on probably the most stacked team in the history of the nba.
he will not be remembered for his talents at scoring the basketball, but being a sore loser, pathetic, and being part of the most unpopular move in the history of the sport.
Dont let the warriors off the hook as if KD was forced upon those core players including that big mouth Greene. They begged KD to come to GS after losing in spectacular fashion to the Cavs. They to were looking for a competitive advantage. KDs biggest problem is that he listens to the opinions of others and lets it affect him. It is clear that he's not a leader/alpha and doesn't want to be and he doesn't seem to want to be considered the greatest ever, he isnt motivated like that.
Barkley always attacks KD as a bus-rider because KDs an easy target but he will not level the same critcism at Lebron or others for fear of the backlash. Alot of the hate KD got for that move was from the Lebron loving media/fanbase who knew that move ment Lebron wasn't going to win.
KD should have never left GS, he was the difference maker on those teams and had he'd stayed it would increasingly be thought of as his team. But he left because he let that bs narrative get to him that he needed to play elsewhere in order to have the respect of dopes like Barkley. MJ's statement in that clip is genuine as he's the alpha of all alpha's, he wanted to dominate. KDs not that guy and has never pretended to be like Lebron fakes it.
draymond once said that kd cared about being better than lebron, though not goat of delusions like lebron does, but he attempted to become the best in the league by being on a stacked team winning
And thats why Curry is also guilty of this. He recruited KD to get easy rings. Forming a very powerful Superteam with Steph, Green, Curry and KD. These guys dont like competition. they are just guilty as Lebron
people hate to admit that Russ chased KD out of OKC..
That is true but you could've went any team that he went to.
Tats why all star game sucks these days, back then u only see superstars who wanna beat each other play in the one game. Nowadays, just follow one or 2 teams, u gt the all star game
Where is Lebron in this video
The video of MJ saying that was when Lebron joined Wade and Bosh two top elite superstars Captains of Miami Toronto and Cavs! That’s a fact wasn’t because KD joined Curry!