Trial Story - Schoolroom Seduction - Karen Cross (1993)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A 1993 episode of Court TV's Trial Story.
Tyngsboro, MA High School special needs teacher Karen Cross is on trial for having sex with an underage student on three occasions in 1990. He was 15 1/2 years old; she was 32.
Sheila Caikins for the prosecution
James Dangora for the defense
The Honorable Robert Barton presides
Testifying are Karen's accuser (who remains anonymous and obscured), Eileen Smith Mayo (a fellow teacher), Isaac ? no last name given (the accuser's friend) and Karen Cross herself.
“This kid was chasing me” “this kid made the first move” “this kid wouldn’t take ‘no’ for an answer” and even “this kid begged me for it” are not defense for statutory rape.
Rapists ALWAYS say that
I don't believe it was alleged that he pursued her?
There is a thin line you can't cross as a teacher .. no notes to your students unless it regards their lessons .. never ever take them to your home .. ever !
@Queen Moon lol omg right lol
There is no "fine" line......it's should actually be a very BROAD line !!
Huge red flag
@Queen Moon @@skinseyful This BROAD really CROSSED the line.
@@bighomiemac3472 Absolutely!!
Though not necessary, as she stated on the stand, she still felt compelled to tell the 15 year old boy that her husband would not be home and she would be alone. She is guilty.
The way her lawyer keeps referring to it as “making love” is just making me cringe every time he says it. I don’t think that term should have ever even TRIED to be implied in a case where abuse is in question. IF EVER in a court of law tbh
The judge thinks that a 15 year old KID is able to consent???? Someone look into his background....
LMAO!!!
doesn't really matter the age, yes he was young and its gross...the fact is she was his teacher who is suppose to provide education, support, and some guidance...its a position of trust and has nothing to do with orgasms so why can't these teachers do that with someone else and stick to ethics and the follow the law because its statutory rape
@@kimmyfreak200 you responding to me?
One of the first trials I ever watched on CourtTV. So glad they are back on the air.
Love these old shows! Great content
Go onto the court TV website, and you can watch all kinds of old trials. It’s free.
“We went into the family room and sat down on the couch” would already be crossing the line for me as a teacher.
Your right crossing the line. No she is guilty. From another teacher.
Keep this desparate woman out of all school systems
Having him over to her house to look at her husband’s car would cross the line for me. And that’s with no sex happening.
I'm a teacher and myself and it's disgusting. There's nothing appealing about a young boy. She was totally out of line.
You weren't the teacher and you were not the student and you weren't there and your verdict means nothing so many things to consider. I find the boy's testimony all over the place and she said in a loud clear voice that nothing happened and had a stronger case than the student, in the end, is she guilty of crossing the line? she sure was but she is not guilty of the charges against her.
It doesn't matter whether he wrote her first or whether he chased her first...shes the adult and he's the child.
In my state it’s any student no matter the age, no student teacher relationships are tolerated
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I believe the boy. When she was telling the story, she smiled several times as she was mentally recalling her relationship with him.
She was already sobbing before the jury even came in. She knew she was going to be convicted.
I believe the student made up the story.
@@willmont8258 23:51 Look at her grin though
@@vegetasolo1221 I believe the student made up the story. Teenaged boys make up stories all the time about having sex with girls or women they like, when it is not true.
@@willmont8258 I think it was a bad idea for her to allow him to take a tour around her house alone without the husband. Major red flag on her end.
My first time hearing about this case. I would never write letters or invite students to my house.
She even said i don't care what anyone thinks, I don't even care what you think. SLAM goes the gavel GUILTY. Knowing teenagers he most likely showed the letter to his buddies( I would have)
@@amberlinmchugh8115 uhhhh even worse … a courtroom
Court TV’s Trial Story the introduction song makes me happy & nostalgic. Aww I remember watching with my grandma. Thank you for the upload & pleasant memories. Much appreciated!
The sad part is that nowadays there seems to be similar cases quite frequently. Then, it was shocking and horrifying.
Still is horrifying
Its always been rampant, there's just more protection for coming forward now then back then
It happening to me right now , bitch lied about her age
teachers has no need being “friends” with students, it’s predatory behavior
agreed...its basically grooming... u have to draw a line and have boundaries... nothing outside of school and nothing outside teacher student relationship
Extreme
I had and crush with my teacher, if he knew how I feel about him, he could had taken advantage of me, thank God nothing never happened
@@kimmyfreak200 am not knocking you, but I don’t know why another line has to be drawn. A line was already created once the term “teacher” and “student” was defined. The real issue is why people continue to “cross” that line and I believe a big part of the reason why this keeps happening is because people think that they have this grand plan in place to ensure that they do not get caught, but little do they know is the truth always comes out no matter how much one tries to hid. Time will eventually reveal the truth, always, period.
I have never heard a defense attorney propose that the trial itself was enough punishment for the crime.
If the teacher was a man he would have served years!
Wow as a former teacher. In the 70,s and 80s. I used to have children in the classroom come to my house. Some would sleep over. I of course, got permission from the parenrs...verbally, by phone. I used to take them to dinner and movies. The parents always knew. I would never dream of doing that now. Times sure have changed.
That's crossing the line.You may have had only good intentions, but it's inappropriate.
Actually at the time we all did not think that.
Including the parents and principal.
@@juliesprik9479 My grandma was an elementary school teacher and she brought needy students to her house for meals and that sort of stuff. As OP said you would never ever do that today.
I totally understand Linda! I grew up in quite a chaotic household (alcoholism) I had a teacher who used to leave his door open so if the drinking got bad/loud and I couldn’t sleep, I would go to his apt and sleep on their couch. To this day, I don’t know what I would have done, or how I would have turned out, had it not been for that teacher. He even took me to Alanon meetings so I could better grasp why and what was going on in my own home. (I’m sure he never told my mom) I’m in my mid/late 50’s now and have tried to find that teacher to thank him for all his help when I was younger, but sadly I haven’t had any luck. Nowadays teachers would never do that, for fear that it would be taken the wrong way. :-( Things sure seemed simpler back then. 💕
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I'm so glad you were able to do that as a child. What a wonderful teacher!.
It's a shame things like that can't really happen today. Bless you.
Is no one gonna talk about at the end when the judge says 15 year olds now a days can give consent cuz they’re more mature than in the past 🧐
I found the way she acted at the end of the trial as disingenuous. Seemed fake to me.
A 15 y/o boy that lasted 20 minutes? Congrats young fella. And she surely learned the HARD way.
🥁🥁
Yeah I knew it was BS as soon as I heard that.
Lesson of the day: Never be nice to teenagers
Don’t rape your students.
or maybe just don’t be a creep and invite them in your house
I have 2 sons. If a teacher had sexual relations with them, I’d be momma bear. 😡 If my sons told me that it happened, I’d know if they were lying. Teenage boys are terrible at lying.
And a few, are Oscar Nominees for Best Liar, lol.
Otherwise, that old over used saying, "You can tell teenagers are lying when their lips are moving".
these boys are pretty terrible liars
What?! Mines pretty good at fibbing. Not always, but a lot😂
The Boston accents crack me up
They crack me up too because I was born and raised in the Boston area! It is like listening to my "sistas" brothas" and it is wicked funny! I joined the Navy in 86 and have "nevah" lived back there. I love the Sam Adams commercials too along with Casey Affleck's spoof on Dunkin Donuts 🍩 on SNL. Lots of comedians and actors from Boston ..wicked pissah cause we have wicked "sahhrcastic" sense of " humahhh"!+
@@1stltwife lol it was funny to me because I live in the midwest and don't hear the "Bahsten" accent often. But I am sure some people would say I talk funny with my " I know hey" and calling a water fountain a bubbler!
@@cce8632 That's only if you're from WI !
@@xenonman born and raised near Milwaukee lol
@@cce8632 One of the few places where the word "bubbler" is known! lol
Perfect example of why you keep your mouth shut even when you are guilty.
Her accent is enough to drive a person insane. She sounds like she’s at the dentist instead of sitting in a court room. “He wanted to see the caaaaa”. I’d like to buy an “r” Alex
Lol I am from Mass . Your so right
Alex is Jeopardy. You're thinking of Wheel of Fortune.
Definitely lower-class Bostonians with not much education, all of them!
You mean Pat
I like the accent. It's so different to me.
She took advantage of her position and the fact he has special needs!
My sister, an immature, malignant narcissist, was a grade school music teacher in a quaint New England town. It was nearly 40 years ago when she (then around 27 years old) was caught having sex with minor boys. She got fired, lost her teaching certificate and immediately left the state. She escaped arrest and prosecution back then; nowadays, she would have surely been arrested (and should have been back then!). I didn’t know that this all had happened until 10 years ago, when her ex-husband, to whom she had confided this, told me. I can’t imagine what would have possessed her to do what she did other than because she is a sick creature.
Wow that is disgusting.
Karen is a TOTAL LIAR. She knows she's fried.
Boys dont usually make these kinds of accusations so the fact that two boys are accusing her of this is really compelling in my view
I think it was 3 boys. So what if her memory sounds better. She's an adult and knew to prepare. How many times does a teen answer I don't know a day regardless. If you asked me all these specific details about all these days over 3 years ago I wouldn't have all those details either
its not 2 kids. its 1 boy and witnesses allegedly
@@siobhanc777 Why would a boy lie about being a witness? Plus there are two other boys who did sleep with her
@@siobhanc777 no there were other boys too that say they slept with her..but they were of age...which is b.s. because she is a teacher!! She should've been charged with all 3.
Yes I agree! There is lines you don’t cross as a teacher and she has violated these children deliberately
An actor needing a New England accent could do worse than studying this video.
Goodness the Defense attorney did a horrible job . Why would he show a letter from the boy to the teacher in court ? That's is proof that there was a relationship going on SMH
This is more common than you think. At my high school two of my male teachers ended up marrying classmates of mine. (As if I believe they waited till after high school to begin their relationship 🙄). Also, a female teacher was fired for having relations with multiple male students.
I agree. At my high school, teachers had relationships with students all the time and when the student in question graduated, there was always another to take her place. Yes, the band director was a very busy man.
@@Kim-ed1ql that's crazy! But yeah not surprising
My art teacher in high school was married to his former student and she was my 5th grade art teacher. A young football coach had relations with several girls at my highschool. Principal did nothing when someone alerted him.
@@Kim-ed1ql Must have had quite an instrument! lol
Same thing happened at my old school.
The poor prosecutor chose the wrong color jacket
Oh, How I miss the old Court TV 📺....Thank you!
The Defendant's lawyer is excellent.
This type of behavior been going on for many years. They always just kept it a hush up, They want everyone to believe they are so innocent & perfect. I’m definitely not surprised at all, Cases like this being happening it’s just being revealed now. Now everyone so damn shock & speechless🤔🤔🤔🤔
I first saw this when it was current. Thank you for posting. The insightful and sensitive commentary of the late Fred Graham I appreciate even more now. I am inclined to believe Mrs. Cross, even now. She was stoic during her testimony and for all of the trial but came unglued during the verdict. It came out that her alleged 15-year-old victim had a bad relationship with his mother and stepfather. They may have manipulated him into saying that he had full intercourse with Mrs. Cross. I would be interested in the present state of both Mrs. Cross and her accuser.
This was interesting, I think the jury got it right.
didnt remember this series!! Luv it !
Those clerks reading sounds like elementary kids reciting
I was a hs teacher. My students were never my friends. I may have been friendly, but never friends. It was my job to present a physics curriculum, and to help them to understand the lessons. I had nothing in common with teenagers, and they had no way to contact me outside of school. It was common sense, no one needed to tell me how to act. Karen made some serious mistakes, but she's not a criminal...
Exactly!! I just for the life of me, can't figure out WHY/HOW teachers get into this situation!! Like you said.."common sense" geeze
ripperduck You dont have the sense God gave a goose. Why would she invite him to her house alone and say my husband wont be there?? Use your brain dude SMH
I dont know who to believe here, I think she crossed a line as a teacher, wanted to be seen as a great teacher as well as a friend but I have real reservations about what the boy is saying
She had sex with two 16 year olds but they didn’t allow it in trial because it was legal considering the age of consent was 16, however reverse the roles, had this been a man admitting to sleeping with two 16 girls yet wants u to believe he only had the 15 year old over to look at his wife’s car, wrote her letters with xoxo and hearts would have any reservations about his guilt
She’s so full of it
Ya think? Terrible liar.
Karen crossed the line
Love old school court tv.
Man this is a tough one. I honestly dont know what to think.
I know .. it's her word against his .. horrible really
Lie detector for both, that's what I say.
Laura Romey You must not have common sense . Why would he be in her house and know where her bedroom is? Why is she writing him private notes and saying she isnt a 10 but not a 1 ??? No teacher talks like this to a student
@@lyncressler2608 her relationship towards him was inappropriate regardless. her behavior is gross to say the least
@@vamppuppy6211 i so agree with you
I really hate when the perpetrator blames their victim.
Oh my gosh, lady, it isn't that bad! You are getting off with a slap on the wrist. Maybe THINK next time how things may appear when you are dealing with minors, whether innocent or guilty. You deserve at least a year behind bars for stupidity.
good find, thanks for upload
You're welcome. Thanks for watching.
Been looking for this for years. Thanks for uploading it. I remember seeing an interview years ago of her saying she wanted to teach again, and the victim’s friend saying that he lied about them having sex. Do you know if this video, or have it to upload?
@@bitter37 - This is all I have on the case but I wish I could see the interview you're referring to.
She shouldve got 5-10yrs in prison, as a predator. That teachers lying through her teach. But, geez, is that prosecutor horrible - WHO decided she was a good orator/opener and closer?
Why does the prosecutor look like she’s having difficulty taking this case seriously?
WOW! Funny how skeletons show up from someone’s past- I knew she wasn’t a genuine person! Always go with your gut!
I don’t believe those boys, she had her life and career ruined by these teenage boys. She shouldn’t have been so trusting- I think it’s inappropriate for these boys to be at her house or her writing them letters but I don’t think for one minute she had a sexual relationship with this boy.
Would you feel the same if it were a male teacher and a female student?
I don’t believe she did either!!
However it’s very unethical to allow those boys into her home under any circumstance, and she should never have allowed it.
I’d feel the same regardless of gender.
This why teachers are not allowed any physical contact with students period.
I went to catholic school & some of the teachers were Pervy as F.
I suspect that your judgement of the matter would be different if an adult male teacher felt compelled to tell a 15 year old girl that his wife would not be home and that he would be alone regarding when she could come over.
@@melodywilliams3168 thank u! My point exactly
Yes he is telling the WHOLE TRUTH sorry lawyer
Does the perpetrator defense still drill minor victims this way?
Do you have a Trial Story episode from 1994? Featuring Weeks v. Baker & MacKenzie.
Anyone know where this lady is now?
That was the same thing I was wondering!
I looked her up. She has a new husband and appears to have adult children as well. She still lives in the Boston area and is no longer visible on the sex offender registry because you only have to register for 20 years in Massachusetts.
@@alexcentury2166 Is she still a teacher?
@@vegetasolo1221 lmao I highly doubt it
something's really off with the friend's testimony
Men take students home all the time and yet where are they on trial
The student said him and his mother going to bury her that says it all right there
Yeah, I think she was set up! That also goes on a lot these days - people being falsely accused!
someone said they looked her up and that she got remarried with adult children but I can't find anything on this woman. Anybody know anything and if you do where did you find it out?
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Man, that prosecutor’s blazer. 🙌
This was the first case I ever saw on Court TV
I think she's lying.
There was no crime here. The boy made it all up.
Thought I hated southern accents but the New England ones drive me up a fucking wall.
I don’t like them either
i feel similar about some new jersey people who have really loud obnoxious accents...like this movie i saw called state of grace the girlfriend of gary oldmans character in the bar i just get super annoyed by those...and the standard new jersey laugh its just this crazy annoying cackle
She was a special needs teacher!!!!
Wonder if the judge would say the same thing if the teen was a girl? Lol
The relationship was slightly inappropriate but I don’t believe anything sexual happened. 15 year old said they had sex for 20 minutes? There aren’t many grown men that can last that long.
So.
Where are the tears? 😢
Where were all these teachers when I was in school lucky little bastard
ew ?
Karen is so prepared to lie.
This kid is so relaxed.
lawyer calls it making love
edit: and no one objected
I notice many of these cases are special Ed teachers.
The lad is watching this now in his mid forties and thinking “ What a lucky bastard I was. Why didn’t I keep my bloody mouth shut and crack on”
Ew. No he's not. She's gross.
She ain't all that. But crack on, m8. 🤣
this is a rlly toxic way of thinking abt these situations, because it’s still taking advantage of a child and assaulting them (“consent” or not)
@@vamppuppy6211 I think your screen is dirty because there is a lot of letters missing from your reply. Also that is the worst piece of English grammar I have ever seen ! Your all over the place. Maybe if you had been nicer 😉 to your teacher they would have given you special lessons "Pfnah Pfnah"
I’m sorry 😞 just don’t believe she guilty!
Gee. I thought they were reading HIS letters. Eek
I remember watching this case live, when Court TV covered it. In addition to Cross becoming unglued before the jury even entered the courtroom, she had to be carried out of the courtroom when she started having trouble breathing after the judge passed the sentence. SMH. The broad was hysterical, which implied, to me and the Court TV hosts, that Cross was guilty and was freaking because she got caught!
Spoiler: damn if i didnt know two other boys accused her of same thing i might think shes innocent based on her reaction to verdict. Those letters were suspect as hell tho
I thought she was pretty convincing when testifying. I couldn't remember the outcome and wasn't sure what the jury would decide.
Honestly I believe the kid. She admits to what she can't deny (the letters, having him in her home), but denies what she can't admit. I almost feel like having the two boys who she previously had sex with might have helped her, giving the defense a narrative that those two boys had told people and that the accuser in this case had just made up a rumor that he'd had sex with her too so he could be cool.
@@asclosetocrime she was guilty of rape of a child... 1 year in prison, 3 years probation and judge allowed her to be free pending an appeal...and psychiatric evaluation.
She got caught. She never should have put it in writing. Of course she never had a criminal record. She was in school every day of her life since she was 5 years old. She got a light sentence. A man would have received fifty years.
She’s guilty as sin.
I think the kid lied thought it would be cool And then didn't want it back down and things spiraled out of control.
I hadn't heard of this case.
Czech Chicklet This case was all over TV back then You must be young
He sounds like a young William Kennedy Smith.
I believe him.
I have lived in Tyngsboro my whole life. She was my brothers teacher. Let's just they set her up.
Really? How so?
How do you explain her letters to him?
She is guilty
The kid should of never been there
He brought his friend over for a three-some. Ain’t no fun if the homies can’t get none.😂
Something about his answers sound rehearsed.
which ones defense or prosecution
Does anyone know if her husband left her after this?
This is where "equality" gets you
I wonder what sentence a man would have got in this court.
...And you’re a trump supporter. Very on brand
I believe her, & I don't believe him. He's doing this for $.
Still no tears after verdict.
There was a dateline interview she did afterwards, that I can’t find anywhere. Googled it and it said it aired on 3/26/97. Anyone have a copy?
I'd like to see that too. Thanks for the info.
@@asclosetocrime you’re welcome.
I'm going to check Peacock, it's a longshot but definitely worth a shot.
@@alexcentury2166 Hope you find it.
@@bitter37 unfortunately Peacock only goes back to Season 18.
Wow.. I remember when I was 21 I was driving and I had to pull into a school to turn around and it was a high school.. I looked at these boys waiting to get picked up and I thought of when I was in high school how could I ever be attracted to someone that young?? Blehhh. Poor boy.
Dang gone karen😂
Lol
Kissed him on which cheek -- upper or lower? lol
I wonder if he sued the school system over this? I’m not sure who I believe. This kind of thing happened in my school but no one was arrested and it was true.
I felt sorry for Karen Cross when she became hysterical when the verdict of guilty was read. Maybe she was innocent. I don't know. But her touchy-feely conduct, combined with letters expressing strong feeling for the "victim" in his case was really her undoing. I wish her well in the future.
Her reaction was what I would expect from an innocent person getting a guilty verdict. Imagine how you’d feel knowing you didn’t do it! Hence, her repeated cries, “I didn’t do it!” Very sad. Only God knows the truth besides Karen and the guy.
Wipes “tears” but there are none.