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Seed is the Refined Blueprint of Making Media to sell Merchandise. Constant face off of the most powerful Gundams to win by mostly having the best Gundam who will wipe everyone and some of those defeated magically get new Gundams in the next 1 or 2 episodes and they slap down last week's King of the hill. But most gundams are ugly and ridiculous in design...so they try to remake the most popular ones to the point they're overplayed....Yes looking at you ASH-TRAY...but hey...2 decades later we get the Eclipse...literally the best kit to come from that timeline.
TBH Buster Gundam is probably my favorite design. He is the only one that looks like actual war machine and not an over the top mess like the Destiny Gundam or the Freedom and Strike Freedom. And judging from my struggle to secure a MG kit of him, I think others have the same idea too.
Its really popular here in Asia! I once went to a neighbor in country, Malaysia during my vacation. Boy, their gunpla shop is filled with SEED lines. Well, who am I to say, SEED Destiny is my favorite Gundam series haha
The gunpla are great, probably owing to its huge popularity to getting a lot of its MGs remastered. In fact, I've told my own gunpla group, regarding the Freedom 2.0, never before has a better kit been given to a worse plot device.
True, it's THE series that introduce people really into Gundam. For the worse, the animation is repeative, nothing innovative but fancier and bigger guns, while having an exact copypaste storyline, but damn I'm glad it open the door for me to get into gundam.
Something interesting to note about seed is that there is a way its supposed to be watched. You see when seed was being aired it actually had a companion manga we never got. Basically you were supposed to watch that weeks episode then read that weeks chapter of the astray manga. The problem is we never got this until year's later. A lot of important shit was happening in the background. Especially with orb in particular.
I'm both in awe of and deeply disconcerted by the extremes to which the Cosmic Era went to make an acronym. Its reinvention of "ZAKU" to "ZAFT Armored Keeper of Unity" being the height of acronymic hubris as a sort of linguistic matryoshka doll.
For better or for worse, it was unironically my first ever anime introduction to the franchise when i was a kid. Technically it was Gundam wing via the SNES fighting game Endless Duel, but technicality aside, SEED was my first look into the overall plot and themes surrounding Gundam in general. As a kid i basically had no clue what was going on and the only thing that kinda stuck with me are "those mono-eyed lookin robots be lookin badass" and "wait, they allow this little clothing on a cartoon network aired show!?" Lol It did however introduce me to the idea that there are other mecha beyond just Voltes 5 and the super robot genre that may have at least even a bit more grounded a take on Mecha anime in general, and because of that and the impression it left on me, i finally got to marathon the entire original classic Mobile Suit Gundam compilation movies and have zero regrets. I'll get around watching SEED again after i finish watchin the mainline UC timeline animes and movies, but if it wasnt for SEED getting me curious about what the originals were about, i dont think i would've been able to enjoy the classics and the franchise as a whole.
See, I was imagining more a Macross 7 OVA angle where space whales show up and everyone is like "dang we love these space whales, how can we hate each other when these space whales are so great" Also Nekki Basara is there playing his guitar for the whales
well, that's what Gundam 00 is for. That's basically what Destiny should've been and the next series after that but Morosawa got sick by the later half of SEED and Fukuda and her were just screwing around and wasting everyone's time using up the budget for private concerts that they call OST research. TBH, I feel like it was all Morosawa that screwed around and her husband just ended up along for the ride. Much like how she accused Cagali's VA for seducing her husband just so people backed off her case of screwing around (because she couldn't use her illness as an excuse anymore).
A week ago I went to watch Gundam Seed Freedom in cinemas (Latvia was kind of late to the party, I know) and I really felt that the bet of "let's up the personal stakes and melodrama" payed off: half of the public was female and they were gushing about the characters, the mobile suits and the choice of music and references. I got really happy about it, since every other gundam movie I've watched in cinemas (Thunderbolt for example) has been a male dominated movie. SEED was my first Gundam, got me into the series and while it's not great I still very much appreciate it.
Despite its many flaws, I found a lot of reasons to like SEED, not the least of which is its gorgeous soundtrack. I still rewatch it now and again. This comes with the caveat that it was only my second series after Wing and during my formative years.
Watching this on late night television back as a kid made me think that this show was amazing. The nostalgia (as well as great mech designs + awesome OP/ED) carries the show for me.
Gundam Seed is my intro into Gundam series and I'd say It's pretty good. Sure is has its flaws but it is still enjoyable. Seed Destiny however feels on the flop side. It isn't bad but just don't really like what they did to the characters. But not gonna deny that both of MS design is beautiful.
Note: Kira Yamato had reprogrammed the Gundam to where only he could pilot it, and making it impossible for a natural human to pilot it when it was only really difficult for a Natural to do so. He basically gave the Alliance no choice but to draft him, because he's the only coordinator who isn't going to shoot them in the face.
And what's more is that Kira wound up reprogramming the Strike later when he got to Orb anyway, after which Mu was able to use it more or less just as well as Kira ever could, implying Kira could've done that the whole time. Or at least if he couldn't, there was never a satisfactory explanation why. So Kira basically screwed himself with that one. (And it's arguable that it wouldn't be the only time Kira would make life harder for himself for no reason... Flay isn't, nor has otherwise ever been implied to have been _that_ smart.) We don't even see him _try_ to reprogram the Strike again, nor make the offer to do so only to be denied for some reason. Kira is only put upon because Seed had to follow the formula for Amuro in spite of significantly differing circumstances. For one thing, Amuro hadn't awakened as a newtype yet. He was just the only one Bright had access to who could parse the RX-78-2's instruction manual, what with how his dad wrote it. Plus, Char was actively chasing the RX-78-2 down personally and trading fire with it far more often than Rau ever did. Yes, Athrun had the Aegis, but Athrun _never_ had the clout of being a one-man fleet killer like Char was after the Battle of Loum. There's even an early scene where Mu, Ramius and Badgiruel are discussing how Kira complicated the situation by reprogramming the Strike. Badgiruel briefly floats the idea of telling Kira to change it back, but gives up on the idea for no real reason other than there wouldn't be a show otherwise, which I always find a stupid reason for anything. No story > bad story.
@@draketheduelist The reason given was that the default OS was still in Beta and hadn't been properly tested, it wasnt even finished. They were waiting for the first round of test flights to make sure even the concept was sound. Nobody on the Archangel was even trained in how to use the test OS either. So Kira's kitbashed system was the only thing they had to keep the Strike active. Once they're on Earth, Kira has to keep modifying the OS to cope with regular gravity and the desperate terrain of the planet. Once they arrived on ORB, they basically took Kira's calibrations and fiddled with them until they created a system that a normal person could handle. In short: The reason Kira couldn't mod the OS for anyone else was because it wasn't finished and he was the only one able to modify it on the fly, or make sense of it.
@@draketheduelist ughhhh.... watch the show again. Kira took the result of Orb's work so far(which is already alot), and added more to it to make it work better. He did not programmed the OS all by himself. No way he can make a natural OS in limited time. Could Kira have done it by himself? Perhaps, but it would take alot longer than the time it took the Archangel to get from Heliopolis to Orb. That is, not even mentioning Kira had to pretty much learn on the flight as to how to caliberate a giant robot for gravity, terrain differences, heat convection etc. No way he could have create anything remotely usable for naturals without these practical experiences. And really dude? Restore the Strike back to the original configuration??? Sre you nuts? Mu explicitly said the original pilots could barely walk with the original OS, and they were trained to use mobile suits. Mu using the original OS would be a disaster. "No real reason...", well here is one reason; you do not send a machine that could barely walk into the battlefield because the result would be catastrophic.
I just started watching this for the first time yesterday I am absolutely in love with Mobile Suit Gundam Seed I haven't watched many Mobile Suit series I have only watched iron blooded orphans and origin to this point but now I'm making a point to watch all of the series after I finish the seed timeline
I keep putting it off but part of me really feels like I need to give SEED a chance, especially since the character drama in UC is a huge part of why I Iike Gundam at all. So I doubt the shift to more meleodrama will bother me. But I think the core reason I've avoided it is less the reputation and more just the premise and worries it'll go into full blown eugenics apologia whether intentionally or not. Should maybe put aside a week end for the movies of something and give it the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn't worry too much about the eugenics angle - it has very little to say in either direction, honestly. "Coordinators hate normals for being their lessers" and "Normal people hate coordinators for not being 'pure' humans" are views both portrayed with a negative light. Kira being a messianic figure due to all his enhancements is definitely a thing, but they don't really call attention too much attention to that fact. You should give it a shot. A whole bunch of folks love it, even if I don't much care for it personally.
It's also worth noting that the show doesn't seem to really understand what co-ordinators actually are. The majority of them are never introduced doing anything "better" than "regular" people. Their non-named pilots are just as big of schmucks as the human ones, and other than the cast members, they never really seem to use this alleged superiority in any efficient or neat ways. It really would have been handled better if only select characters were actually co-ordinators, as they are a very messy grouping of people.
@@bearminator7441 At the beginning of SEED, only coordinators are able to effectively pilot mobile suits at all, as naturals don't have the reflexes or information processing power required (this comes up a few times with Sai and the Astray girls). Kira reprograms the Strike OS (Athrun does it later to the Aegis) and survives the heat of the reentry battle because of his coordinator traits. Most of the rest of the coordinator's abilities come up in flashbacks to before the war, since the series doesn't have a lot of time to dwell on non-combat applications. Fundamentally though, the series also highlights the limitations of this genetic ability. Coordinators are only better until naturals figure out how to make technology to bridge the gap (through the Natural OS) at which point is becomes obvious that Coordinators aren't really that special. The whole point is that they're not real evolution, and they're the result of arrogant people thinking they could buy themselves into being a new species.
The characters who go into eugenics apologia are universally regarded as villains, and much ado is made about how genetic engineering isn't real evolution, and humanity hasn't fundamentally changed.
"Most of its audience didnt want to buy gunpla" Can we put this myth to rest now? Cosmic Era got more gunpla, Robot Damashi and Metal Build than any other Gundam AU. It is also one of the only two AU timelines that got MG treatment for its grunt units(Ginn and ZAKU), the other being 00(GNX)
Seed and the Cosmic Era among the most popular Gundam series besides the original in Japan (and Asia). It wasn't designed with Western audiences in mind, like many early Gundam series. Today is the release of Seed Freedom film on theatre, and it's still as famous as ever after more than a decade vacuum.
Seed is my number one spot gundam series. Seed is not the best but they introduce me into franchise. If someone give me option to watch ibo or seed, I choose seed.
I weill always perfer gundam seed over the others minus the original as the original is in its own place. But SEED is by far the more interesting setting to me, and a far darker realistion of humanity as a whole.
That is probably what drew me to Gundam SEED too. Funny thing is one right after watching Gundam SEED I started watching Claymore which is a Dark Fantasy setting.
Seed, Gundam Wing, G Gundam, And now breaker battlelogue, breaker series, and models along with the more modern gundams series IBO, Thunderbolt, Origin, and etc plus Hathaway etc
Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny is my first Gundam show to watch. My gripe in Seed is that someone should have slapped Kira in the face and said "being overly emotional won't save your friends in this ship." However, it missed an important point of the show, which is to retrieve the gundams.
This's always been my most favourite gundam franchise. Due to my background favors military vehicles (mainly aircraft) & martial arts in nature, I had watched many mecha film such as Zgundam, Char's counterattack, patlabor, since '90. Then the new gen animation from F91, wing, and x gundam. Somehow while i enjoying it, i never attached to any of them. All change when i saw Gundam Seed in 2002, which brought me entirely to the world of Gundam. I really like every bit of its story, battle's coreography, mechanical development, design & animation.
I actually love seed it's one of my favorite Gundam series and I like the mecha design. Yeah ginn's are just zakus but they did try to make them a little more different with the big back pack and huge head fin. I'm not the biggest fan of the sequel seed destiny as I felt they had too many characters and the mecha designs were just updated UC mechs like they had Dom's just Dom's and zakus (though I do like that design of zaku). But yes seed is fantastic and the amount of episodes being 48 instead of modern shows with the standard 12 or 24
I just finished both Seed and Destiny and I forgot about the Space whale lmfao. That being said Seed was fairly enjoyable, but my god Destiny was a trip, similar to Zeta if you can get past the first 25 or so episodes it all comes together in the latter half of the series. I would still put Seed+Destiny bellow Witch from mercury and Iron Blooded orphans, but it was a good time.
GSEED is an amazing storyline that Fukuda and Morosawa created but then shat on because the production team called them out on their horrible work ethic. So Morosawa decided to just throw it in the trash by the time for Destiny. If you want the real storyline for Destiny, watch Gundam 00. That's the true continuation of the SEED story. Shinn is Setsuna working with the 3 Jesuses of TSA, making up the Celestial Beings. EDIT: just to note, they later changed what the ultimate coordinator is about. Being a coordinator is much like being the people of the Superman universe. The Destiny Plan is like that of the Codex. Coordinators are designed to do a specific job and they do it extremely well. Kira on the otherhand is like Superman. He can CHOOSE which one he can be/do, which means the Destiny Plan does not work on him. He is the only one that can pick while the rest are kind of screwed. This is the focus on Athrun for the Destiny season. The entire development is him changing himself to be more than just a super soldier pilot. But Kira being the ultimate coordinator does not make him THE ONE. For one, Athrun can never be beaten in terms of piloting and anything combat related. So that proves that Kira isn't the end all be all character that we take him as, a Gary Stu (Mary Sue). As for the Jesus resurrection, all 3 of the ace pilots of the Three Ships Alliance have come back to life: Athrun being "killed" by Shinn. Kira being "killed" by Athrun. Mu being killed the Dominion.
I have to agree but i don't like the "ultimate coordinator" plot i actually whould've preffered if kira was actually a clone with rau's genetics here me out it makes sense to just make him a clone rather than the "ultimate coordinator" and the whole destiny plan i mean it clearly dosen't make sense i mean seed is fine but destiny we don't talk about that shit. But if there's one thing shinn was a potential character i mean lets get new characters for once and shinn could've been a great character the only thing i hate about him is his hate for orb literally the only thing i hate about him i even went all my way to rewrite the plot for destiny and seed (there some things i didn't like about the original and some changes are going to needed for a destiny reboot) for like one shinn gets drifted back to orb after he was trying to get the minerva to escape and meets with kira there kira and shinn talk and kira decide's to join the war and kira was in fact part if the zaft military as well because lacus is the vice-chairman of zaft and she is not a pop-star i repeat she is not a pop-star she is zaft's equavilent to cagalli execpet she hasen't seen war until she is onboard the archangel and kira also cuts off one of his legs to escape during the fight between the aegis and strike then one arms with rau then his eye during his fight with rey and patrick zala's are the antagonists along with rey who has second personality called raulas who orchaestrated the whole war to continue rau's work exepect leave some survivors and make himself god than shinn fights raulas after he told kira to help the allies (aka pro-randal zaft forces as well as pro-randal EA forces and neutral nations and pro-cagalli orb forces) to destroy the seed equavilant of the colony laser and during the fight rey gets back control of his body after shinn encouraged rey to take back control of his body also i made cagalli much more better here as well by making the whole assassination on lacus never happen the archangel goes to join up with the minerva when they got word they were being attacked by orb and EA combined forces and when they did cagalli contacted orb forces to join her against the seirans this works with half of the fleet joining there side alonf with that captain who comforted shinn when his family died and i'm not have the freedom 2 here just a big no i had the liberty of making a weaker version of the freedom combined with strike scehmatics called the liberty and give athrun like the same exepect it's the justice and aegis i even have a 3 and 4 sequel ready and this how my idea for a seed reboot
@@zemo5218 that's quite a nice rewrite but the foundations are bad, not because your writing is bad, but because Destiny was thrown in the trash at the very start. So there's quite a lot of problems behind the scenes. Morosawa being the epicenter of it all. Back in SEED, she already was quite an awful person to work with. Being one of the position in power, as well as her husband being the lead, they abused their positions quite often. The production team DID tolerate it because she did get sick halfway through and she did do work, albeit late and often past her deadline,. Making everyone's job bad because they would often barely make the deadline (if they don't reuse things and that's why you get so many reused scenes). When it comes to Destiny, she tries to use her illness as a crutch and people called her out on it because she was awful to begin with and she already recovered. So to make people back off of her, she created drama and accused Cagali's VA of seducing her husband (Fukuda). Shinn's VA backed his coworker and so she just made it so that everyone suffers. She literally threw the entire Destiny plotline to spite the entire production team for calling her BS out. That's why you only ever get to see 2 episodes of Cagali and Shinn being who they truly are. Then they do a whole 180 character. Shinn goes batshit crazy and becomes the villain. Cagali becomes a pathetic sobbing mess. Kira replaces Shinn as the full time protagonist. This is why during the revamp, Athrun ends up being the main protagonist of Destiny instead of Shinn (even though his character had always been meant as a supportive character). This is why Gundam 00 is the TRUEST Destiny plotline that we would ever have. Even your rewrite suffers from it because you only ever get 2 episodes of the TRUE Desinty plotline.
@@wanderingbufoon morosawa is the whole reason why i'm deciding to make rewrite's to destiny and the entire seed universe i don't care about the foundations all that matters is that i will try to bring back seed's lost potential Other than that i did make some other changes like durandel is actually a good guy and was actually a good friend of lacus's father, stellar isn't dead because her death seemed pretty pointless and for the entirety of destiny she isn't important nor is in the 3rd sequel concept i have but in the 4th sequel she has a major role of being a motherly type of person to the MC, muu is still dead and neo will still exist because i planned on having kira and cagalli having a secret older brother and for him to be neo he will be a major in the 3rd sequel as the captain of the ship we will be viewing and this time it will be the AF with a new friendly government but militaristic due to them having to limit military power after destiny as for cagalli she will be like what she was in the begining of destiny but after kira bridenaps cagalli (hey that was pretty good not gonna lie so i'm keeping it) she starts to return to her old self
@@zemo5218 well, when Morosawa and Fukuda actually worked, they really did create an amazing story. The reason why I keep saying Gundam 00 is because that is the outline that the VAs got when they were casted for their roles. They knew the general heading on how the story will progress and such. You even have accounts of Shinn's VA saying that the games have the true Shinn because the cast knew the story. As for the foundations, If it hadn't been rewritten as a spite story, all these characters may not have been what we know them as. So your rewrite is based off of the wrong notion. Basing everything on SEED, Morosawa's story and why it is so captivating is because it was meant to be grey. There is no side that that is good. Only that the other side is a bigger offender/violater. Destiny was suppose to bring TSA into the light of their hypocrisy.That Kira's idealism is the biggest chaotic force in that universe (similar to the Celestial Being's presence in the world and how they will go to war against war). I do agree that CE has a lot of potential but I was merely saying that the foundations that you OUGHT to use is Gundam 00 rather than the broken story that we know as Destiny as the 00 is a truer (if not the real one) plot for Destiny.
@@wanderingbufoon true they did work together but still the woman brought personal affairs to her show she is litterally too emotional and controlling Thats true but for some kira's pacifism is really bad in a way i mean sure they could reveal they're hypocrisy but thats not it i feel like kira could've been something more than a pacifist ultimate coordinator he could've become a veteran pilot who experienced losing a lot of his friends and comrades during the war and try's to minimize caaualties in the second war shinn could've gone from arrogant to a calm pilot athrun could've become the commander of the orb forces and trys to enforce orb's armed neutrality so that it could never become a battlefield ever again lacus as a trustworthy and a strong politician same with cagalli seriously they could've been something different and better than what they were that is why i believe that seed needs a reboot with all the characters having different developments i want to see kira, shinn and athrun take a different turn rather than the shithole we got 00 was ok but there was something that never appealed to me it felt like something was missing "was it the setting or the world building" thats what i asked myself there were some good elements but it didn't appeal to me as much as seed, wing, ibo, gundam x and the original there was some sort of element that was missing in 00 it could be there weren't enough people that didn't die i mean seriously there were two characters of the first ship they had, that i didn't even have any background on died and i was like "ok" then lockon dies and thats the end of the death tolls in 00 the thing the 00 needed was to kill of some characters not random characters. Sergei does not count as he only had a connection to that white haired girl (forgot her name) that is why 00 needed more time to build up characters and setting it could've done more and aliens don't count
I feel like gundam seed fans didnt buy gunpla early was because it was just not in our budget. Now that im older.... i have 20 kits built and 30 in backlog. With the new movie that just came out... im waiting for a new PG to come out. Most seed fans are also in this boat now.
Seed is good for me. Kira is basically superhuman but isn't really invincible. The 3 bio CPUs are giving him a difficult time despite them piloting inferior spec mobile suits. Seed Destiny is what I don't like apart from the mobile suits though I also didn't like how some of the mobile suits are kinda skinny compared to Seed. The bio CPUs in Seed Destiny are total like Intel Pentium But if you really want best Cosmic Era content, it's on Stargazer and Astray mangas. The biggest flaw of Cosmic Era though is the ending of Seed Destiny. ZAFT and ORB are ran by teenagers
This. A lot of people seem to think he's some kind of invincible or messiah character, but I never really agreed with that view. Kira obviously wasn't on the level of the Red Coats early on in the series, even though he was almost holding his own 1 vs 4. Which in my opinion you could argue was more like 2 vs 3 because Mu did help Kira and Asuran wasn't really trying early on in the series. And in regard to him being viewed as some messiah. The only people that seem to think so are Rau Le Creuset and Rey Za Burrel. Most of his friends or acquaintances just respect Kira for his intelligence, skill and loyalty (Him trying to protect his friends). Kira never seems to think of himself as a messiah character, he's just doing what he thinks is right. Which, in his eyes, is trying to stop conflict from occurring with minimal casualties.
I can say is a prodcut of this time, lot of animes in the early 2000 had similar feeling of look at this perfect teenagers and well didnt age well for that reason
SEED is definitely the Gundam series of all time. It doesn't come close to being perfect, and in fact, many of the plot points either go nowhere or end in an unsatisfactory payoff, while the few that do work get completely manhandled in Destiny. I'm of the opinion that SEED should really have stopped at the first anime and its spin-offs, instead of rushing a beyond half-assed sequel nobody liked. Also, little story time. There was this japanese SEED game for the GBA that I played that served as my introduction to not only SEED, but the franchise as a whole. I didn't know shit about Gundam, and the fact I couldn't understand the dialogues also meant I didn't know what the plot was about either: For one, I thought Lacus was this alien woman due to how weird her design looked compared to everyone else. Additionally, I later learned that the first four Gundam were called Gs, which made me mistakenly assume that the game I had played was about G Gundam, because it had G in the name.
They came so close with this one. Why is it so hard to make a series that just uses technology as the source of its power. You could explain so many of their advanced capabilities as being the result of their advanced technology, yet they always have the need to throw space magic into it. The coordinators were great! They were the perfect technology based newtype stand in and made so much more sense scientifically and thematically, but no. They just had to throw in space magic. Now maybe I'm biased as a person living on earth, but I can't wait for the day when newtypes are eradicated.
As a seed fan I’ll admit Kira is by far the least interesting protagonist of franchise how they do have a superb character in Athrun his arc and development is by far the best part of the series and is worth watching the series for it.
Gundam Seed is 1 and a half seasons of pretty good anime. The issue with it is that last half a season. There's a reason so much fanfiction works to fix that part, and so much has been done in SRW games with the last half of Destiny. Heck, even Dynasty Warriors Gundam, multiple times, has done interesting things with the mess of Destiny and it's characters. The term 'hyperreality' absolutely applies to it, and the 'more is more' definitely needed to be reigned in somewhat to improve it. That being said, it's one of 2 Gundam series that has Alien life be a thing at all. The quiet question of 'Wait, we have evidence of alien life, what does that mean?' being ignored for current world issues (in the setting) reads as believable and set the stage for 00's long plot fulfilled in the film.
I wonder how an "Ultimate Gundam"/"Gundam Cinematic Universe" would play out, encompassing lore and characters from EVERY previous series of Gundam and updating them for modern times, plus maybe even incorporating Sunrise's other real robot series and possibly even their super robot series.
A multiverse story, where some how the main character of all gundam series teleport with their gundam to stop the ultimate destroy, The Lucifer gundam. What do you think?
The reason I love CE is because the plot is actually grim dark as hell like no other series. The CE world > went through ww3 > is divided by Orwellian superstates now forming the Earth Alliance > the tech devised to repair genetic damages caused by radiation in ww3 are used to create "coordinator" superhumans, which later declares themselves the master race > Ethics, religions and rules of war are completely eradicated due to surge of hate against coordinators globally > War of racial extermination between coordinators and naturals, which almost escalates into complete annihilation of humanity The plot even describes the Americans supplying the Russians with vessels with Aegis Weapon System and such to form Earth Alliance. That's the state of fucked-up world of CE.
While I can acknowledge a lot of the problems with Gundam SEED, I fucking love the show so much. Even Destiny, despite it having even more problems. It’s probably my most rewatched show ever.
I can't stand SEED or any of it's followups but Buster Gundam is my favorite MS by far. Cool color scheme, unique helmet design and has one of the most creative long range armament concepts in the whole series imo.
It's only recently that I have got to know that Seed is controversial. My observation in some sense is that the people who don't like it seem to fall in a younger category (?) Often people who have watched a lot of anime, and maybe even been exposed to the UC early. Back in the day's when we were downloading fan subs of Seed every week, it wasn't actually all that easy to get most of the UC. I think I had seen one maybe two epidoes of Gundam Z and the original series. Other than that it was Wing, and maybe some X. I can understand why Seed might not be interesting to newer audiences, but I still think it's the best spinn-off Gundam anime, and the show anyone who's not into Gundam yet should start with.
I am one of those new fans that SunRise was able to pick up with this series and have bought gunpla as well as watched other series. I loved SEED though this is a biased opinion and was neutral about DESTINY as they couldve done things differently with the story and maybe some extreme plot armor in 2 cases that I can remember and in the end overall I thought the season wasn't bad. Overall I can agree with you that the SEED community was split with DESTINY
Seed and Seed Destiny is more likeable in countries around pacific Asia, the first Gundam ever being intro to Western is Gundam Wing, also kinda like bad boys with attitude, Westerners love this kind of mix. Almost all westerners videos doesn’t like GS or GSD. They prefer Wing, 00, IBO. Because they are bad boys with attitude style. That’s what I observed over the years
It was one of my first animes as a kid but i still enjoy it, i probably fit into the group of people who enjoyed it more as a character drama as i have found very few other mecha animes i enjoy
Good ol Gary Stu Yamato. I was totally into Seed as a kid, but as I got older I think my feelings have flipped entirely. The show, in a word, is tacky.
Hey great video. I feel your assessment is fair, more so than so many older fans who mostly just hate on Seed and can't see its merits. I am a little biased tho. Seed was the first Gundam I watched as a teenager (13-15) who hadn't seen anything like it before. It's mind blowing, heart wrenching with cool action scenes, mechas, plus OP MC... Everything I would enjoy back then. It's practically more like space opera rather than anything else. Overly dramatized, full of emotions, kind of over the top. So much that binge watching it gave me depression. Contrasting it with more grounded predecessors (I heard, haven't watched), I can see why the older fans didn't like it. Seed Destiny is like the forced sequel the company makes just because Seed was popular. All over the place. I barely enjoyed it even though I really like Seed. Looking back, while I didn't like the visuals, I greatly enjoy the songs and story, as flawed as it was. Some of the songs remain my favorite till this day. And it's its own thing, unlike the UC timeline which was and is harder to get into due to its sheer size and how dated it is.
The strike freedom is the mobile suit to bring if you want more dakka. It may not have the same amount as the hazel at full capacity, but it sure does blow that out of the water and look more stylish doing it.
Seed is going is going to have a place in my heart because it introduce me to Gundam and every thing else about it in fact the first gunpla I'm getting is from s cosmic eraa
Orb main base is not supposed to be in Japan , the official map shows orb base to be located slightly north of New Zealand under the Oceanic union, in fact japan is listed under the North American Security Alliance , ironic isn't it.
This. I'm watching bit by bit of SEED and earnestly I like the technical jargon. I just wished they doubled down on certain things like the racial conflict. Heck, with the whole Jesus gag, having Kira hated in-universe works because it's kinda a semi-known fact the Messiah wasn't real liked by the dominant force either. Oh, you know, the Romans. Earnestly, I'm in the camp of Athrun taking over the show past a certain point. Let Kira have his matryrdom so that his best friend Judas- I mean, Athrun, could do the whole show justice.
Honestly, I keep trying to get through seed. But I get a few episodes in, and then I get bored and wondered off. It just seems like there is so little reason for the sides to be fighting. The existence of Orb under cuts the very reason for the conflict. ie naturals vs coordinators. (This is coming from someone that has only seen to episode 19, so there may be more reasons later.) It also felt like half the time they were just making random personal conflict for no real reason, I find that very annoying.
I gave it some thoughts and here are my changes that I think would make the whole set up and the whole setting make sense: Earth government largely failed to address or neglected racism against Coordinators, causing mass migration and Coordinator dominance in space. PLANT municipal government starts to emerge. "Bloody Valentines" happened as a gene purists' terrorist act against Junius 7, causing massive casualties, the unification of PLANT government, formation of a new Council, and ZAFT, emerged largely using modified Coordinator civilian mobile suit. PLANT government started to massively expel naturals from its own sphere of influence due to distrust after terrorism attack. Neutron jammer and canceller was developed at the same time. ZAFT launched a massive amount of neutron jammers onto earth, stopping nuclear fission reactions and causing earth crust to have less activity, so the earth was somewhat colder. Factions inside Orb had some trade with ZAFT to have some neutron jammer cancellers launched into its land, preventing energy crisis within its own land. Orb's government suppressed the truth and claim it is caused by anomaly in canceller density and geothermal energy. Orb's land territory is located not in real world Japan but in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and other SA and SEA countries and some colonies in space. It works as an apprehended society reminiscent of South Africa and co. *Here's the important ones:* *The laser fusion reactor that the spaceships in this timeline uses cannot be cost effectively ignited without massive energy and 0 gravity environment. PLANT has Dyson matrices that can ignite the reactors in their 0 gravity environment, earth does not. This caused a massive drop in energy production level on earth, and they can only ignite new reactors and build new ships using the outer space they control. Even on the moon igniting a reactor will be pretty expensive energy cost wise. Apart from Orb, most population centers on earth had to rely on reactors on existing spaceships to power them, and this creates an ultra militarized society.* *After the initial calculation, the earth joint military hastily formed decided to use the numbers advantage they currently still have to invade PLANT in order to get the access to either the canceller they suspect PLANT already had, or some PLANTS to create fusion reactors since it is logistically very expensive to build your own PLANT. Their calculation was massively off and the battle turned into a stalemate. PLANT still require some mineral resources they get by trading with Orb (that's how Orb can survive as a "neutral" country, by trading smuggled technologies from space to earth and earth resources to space), and the earth alliance has a massive energy deficit, so both sides hates the idea of a prolonged conflict which they currently have and want the war to end as soon as possible, but there was so little to give in because the grievance was so huge.*
Too much soap opera and too many rules of the universe are broken by the story teller. Too bad, because the idea and premise are quite interesting. But the soap opera....gooooosh, cannot stand it.
I will always love this SEED since it was the first anime that really got me into anime... But I do understand that it does have problems... So I'm guessing that have been of a certain age or type of person to like it... Since I loved watching it back on Toonami back in the day
I haven's seen it but as the dirty fucking weeb that I am I am a sucker for the Astray with the katana. Don't know who pilots it, other than Nils Nilson that is...
The fact Gundam SEED was so popular in Japan blackpilled me that Japan was full of normies for the first time. But what do I know, I like Gundam Wing and all the UC oldheads raged at me for it when I first went online to take about Gundam in the early 2000s and told me to watch UC instead. Of course, this being the early 2000s I had no way to get my hands on the Original series and Zeta Gundam+ZZ Gundam till much later. I am now a Gundam oldhead that bullies zoomers into watching Original Mobile Suit Gundam+ Zeta Gundam.
Well yeah, of course they are normies, it’s a country, not some place with just nerds. Nerds are a lot more looked down upon in Japan as well, called Otaku
My favorite gundam era. Love the caracters and the MS designs. Story isn't always perfect, but it's better then most. hate the fact that destiny reversed to old updated mono-eye ms designs from uc.
We're watching an anime romanticization of war written by Japanese artists who were probably born when WW2 ended. Half of the modern masses in Japan don't even know the true story of what Japan did in WW2. And then we get into the modern rise of the Nippon Kaigi movement which is a Right Wing militarization campaign of Japan based on traditional "warrior culture"...... We're here for the cool gundam colours and toy collections.....
I think Seed is a great show. And I think that simple, emotional people will like it. The more unemotional and logical you are the more flaws you will see. It's a show to be felt, not analysed. It's not meant to be a immensely deep real life drama. It's meant to be a dramatic and romantic sci-fi, feel-good fantasy with giant robots.
2: the amount of bullshit I'd need to get into would make me sound insane. Well that explains why ur as the same as me, cuz i hate the bullshit in an anime
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Previous upload got taken down by content ID, so here's an upload with that fixed. Sorry for the delay!
More robot talkin':
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I was looking for this video, thanks!
What got it taken down?
Just an overlong clip of 00 at the end that triggered a match because Bandai decided to get more aggressive. It happens!
@@ZorakGoesOn Things have been getting crazy this past couple of months for RUclipsrs or am I wrong ?
Seed is the Refined Blueprint of Making Media to sell Merchandise. Constant face off of the most powerful Gundams to win by mostly having the best Gundam who will wipe everyone and some of those defeated magically get new Gundams in the next 1 or 2 episodes and they slap down last week's King of the hill. But most gundams are ugly and ridiculous in design...so they try to remake the most popular ones to the point they're overplayed....Yes looking at you ASH-TRAY...but hey...2 decades later we get the Eclipse...literally the best kit to come from that timeline.
Seed's mobile suit designs is the reason i love the cosmic era
TBH Buster Gundam is probably my favorite design. He is the only one that looks like actual war machine and not an over the top mess like the Destiny Gundam or the Freedom and Strike Freedom. And judging from my struggle to secure a MG kit of him, I think others have the same idea too.
cosmic era is earth
i no know is earth
Strike freedom is one of the best looking gundams ever.@@desireless4092
00 definitely has better or at least just as good designs
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Gundam Seed may have problems in their storyline and characters , but you cannot deny the suit design . Its awesome
Nobody can.
Hell yes
It’s a bit kibbled than some like.
Its really popular here in Asia! I once went to a neighbor in country, Malaysia during my vacation. Boy, their gunpla shop is filled with SEED lines. Well, who am I to say, SEED Destiny is my favorite Gundam series haha
The gunpla are great, probably owing to its huge popularity to getting a lot of its MGs remastered. In fact, I've told my own gunpla group, regarding the Freedom 2.0, never before has a better kit been given to a worse plot device.
True, it's THE series that introduce people really into Gundam. For the worse, the animation is repeative, nothing innovative but fancier and bigger guns, while having an exact copypaste storyline, but damn I'm glad it open the door for me to get into gundam.
I liked Zeta better
Something interesting to note about seed is that there is a way its supposed to be watched. You see when seed was being aired it actually had a companion manga we never got. Basically you were supposed to watch that weeks episode then read that weeks chapter of the astray manga. The problem is we never got this until year's later. A lot of important shit was happening in the background. Especially with orb in particular.
"Overdesigned Mobile Suits" EXCUSE ME? THEM'S FIGHTING WORDS!
I'm both in awe of and deeply disconcerted by the extremes to which the Cosmic Era went to make an acronym. Its reinvention of "ZAKU" to "ZAFT Armored Keeper of Unity" being the height of acronymic hubris as a sort of linguistic matryoshka doll.
Hubris? Nah dude, PATRIOT Surface to Air missile system disagrees, military using convoluted backronyms are. very realistic
For better or for worse, it was unironically my first ever anime introduction to the franchise when i was a kid. Technically it was Gundam wing via the SNES fighting game Endless Duel, but technicality aside, SEED was my first look into the overall plot and themes surrounding Gundam in general.
As a kid i basically had no clue what was going on and the only thing that kinda stuck with me are "those mono-eyed lookin robots be lookin badass" and "wait, they allow this little clothing on a cartoon network aired show!?" Lol
It did however introduce me to the idea that there are other mecha beyond just Voltes 5 and the super robot genre that may have at least even a bit more grounded a take on Mecha anime in general, and because of that and the impression it left on me, i finally got to marathon the entire original classic Mobile Suit Gundam compilation movies and have zero regrets. I'll get around watching SEED again after i finish watchin the mainline UC timeline animes and movies, but if it wasnt for SEED getting me curious about what the originals were about, i dont think i would've been able to enjoy the classics and the franchise as a whole.
Space whales invading the earth, forcing both weakened sides to join forces to send the whales back to space would've been a wild show
See, I was imagining more a Macross 7 OVA angle where space whales show up and everyone is like "dang we love these space whales, how can we hate each other when these space whales are so great"
Also Nekki Basara is there playing his guitar for the whales
@@ZorakGoesOn space whales making everyone hippies would hardly be the worst ending to a show
well, that's what Gundam 00 is for. That's basically what Destiny should've been and the next series after that but Morosawa got sick by the later half of SEED and Fukuda and her were just screwing around and wasting everyone's time using up the budget for private concerts that they call OST research. TBH, I feel like it was all Morosawa that screwed around and her husband just ended up along for the ride. Much like how she accused Cagali's VA for seducing her husband just so people backed off her case of screwing around (because she couldn't use her illness as an excuse anymore).
Replace the Evangelion in Darling in the FranXX with Gundam and that's probably what'd you'd get.
This should be a south park sequel. The last whale was still on the moon and obviously dead.
there are a lot of things to hate and love about this series. the mobile suits are pretty epic though.
A week ago I went to watch Gundam Seed Freedom in cinemas (Latvia was kind of late to the party, I know) and I really felt that the bet of "let's up the personal stakes and melodrama" payed off: half of the public was female and they were gushing about the characters, the mobile suits and the choice of music and references. I got really happy about it, since every other gundam movie I've watched in cinemas (Thunderbolt for example) has been a male dominated movie.
SEED was my first Gundam, got me into the series and while it's not great I still very much appreciate it.
Ahhh our favorite mecha soap opera
Despite its many flaws, I found a lot of reasons to like SEED, not the least of which is its gorgeous soundtrack. I still rewatch it now and again. This comes with the caveat that it was only my second series after Wing and during my formative years.
Watching this on late night television back as a kid made me think that this show was amazing. The nostalgia (as well as great mech designs + awesome OP/ED) carries the show for me.
Gundam Seed is my intro into Gundam series and I'd say It's pretty good. Sure is has its flaws but it is still enjoyable. Seed Destiny however feels on the flop side. It isn't bad but just don't really like what they did to the characters. But not gonna deny that both of MS design is beautiful.
thanks skywalker
Note: Kira Yamato had reprogrammed the Gundam to where only he could pilot it, and making it impossible for a natural human to pilot it when it was only really difficult for a Natural to do so. He basically gave the Alliance no choice but to draft him, because he's the only coordinator who isn't going to shoot them in the face.
And what's more is that Kira wound up reprogramming the Strike later when he got to Orb anyway, after which Mu was able to use it more or less just as well as Kira ever could, implying Kira could've done that the whole time. Or at least if he couldn't, there was never a satisfactory explanation why. So Kira basically screwed himself with that one. (And it's arguable that it wouldn't be the only time Kira would make life harder for himself for no reason... Flay isn't, nor has otherwise ever been implied to have been _that_ smart.) We don't even see him _try_ to reprogram the Strike again, nor make the offer to do so only to be denied for some reason. Kira is only put upon because Seed had to follow the formula for Amuro in spite of significantly differing circumstances.
For one thing, Amuro hadn't awakened as a newtype yet. He was just the only one Bright had access to who could parse the RX-78-2's instruction manual, what with how his dad wrote it. Plus, Char was actively chasing the RX-78-2 down personally and trading fire with it far more often than Rau ever did. Yes, Athrun had the Aegis, but Athrun _never_ had the clout of being a one-man fleet killer like Char was after the Battle of Loum.
There's even an early scene where Mu, Ramius and Badgiruel are discussing how Kira complicated the situation by reprogramming the Strike. Badgiruel briefly floats the idea of telling Kira to change it back, but gives up on the idea for no real reason other than there wouldn't be a show otherwise, which I always find a stupid reason for anything. No story > bad story.
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The reason given was that the default OS was still in Beta and hadn't been properly tested, it wasnt even finished. They were waiting for the first round of test flights to make sure even the concept was sound. Nobody on the Archangel was even trained in how to use the test OS either.
So Kira's kitbashed system was the only thing they had to keep the Strike active.
Once they're on Earth, Kira has to keep modifying the OS to cope with regular gravity and the desperate terrain of the planet. Once they arrived on ORB, they basically took Kira's calibrations and fiddled with them until they created a system that a normal person could handle.
In short: The reason Kira couldn't mod the OS for anyone else was because it wasn't finished and he was the only one able to modify it on the fly, or make sense of it.
@@draketheduelist ughhhh.... watch the show again. Kira took the result of Orb's work so far(which is already alot), and added more to it to make it work better. He did not programmed the OS all by himself. No way he can make a natural OS in limited time. Could Kira have done it by himself? Perhaps, but it would take alot longer than the time it took the Archangel to get from Heliopolis to Orb.
That is, not even mentioning Kira had to pretty much learn on the flight as to how to caliberate a giant robot for gravity, terrain differences, heat convection etc. No way he could have create anything remotely usable for naturals without these practical experiences.
And really dude? Restore the Strike back to the original configuration??? Sre you nuts? Mu explicitly said the original pilots could barely walk with the original OS, and they were trained to use mobile suits. Mu using the original OS would be a disaster. "No real reason...", well here is one reason; you do not send a machine that could barely walk into the battlefield because the result would be catastrophic.
Agreed @draketheduelist you need to go watch SEED again my man because what @Eight-clouds Purple and @HeraldOfOblivion are saying is true.
Even skip class just to watch this one on national TV back in the day.
Dude I watch for the Gundam then Lacus Clyne of course
Yeah lacus is number one gundam girl in entire gundam franchise.
@@argacc20417 man of culture as well
Lacus isn't even the best gundam girl in her own series. Psychotic racist redhead waifu for laifu.
Fite me, m9.
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Hey this was my first Gundam after Wing. The Freedom has been my favorite Gundam ever since.
And now the franchise is back with Gundam Seed Freedom!
I just started watching this for the first time yesterday I am absolutely in love with Mobile Suit Gundam Seed I haven't watched many Mobile Suit series I have only watched iron blooded orphans and origin to this point but now I'm making a point to watch all of the series after I finish the seed timeline
I keep putting it off but part of me really feels like I need to give SEED a chance, especially since the character drama in UC is a huge part of why I Iike Gundam at all. So I doubt the shift to more meleodrama will bother me. But I think the core reason I've avoided it is less the reputation and more just the premise and worries it'll go into full blown eugenics apologia whether intentionally or not. Should maybe put aside a week end for the movies of something and give it the benefit of the doubt.
I wouldn't worry too much about the eugenics angle - it has very little to say in either direction, honestly. "Coordinators hate normals for being their lessers" and "Normal people hate coordinators for not being 'pure' humans" are views both portrayed with a negative light. Kira being a messianic figure due to all his enhancements is definitely a thing, but they don't really call attention too much attention to that fact.
You should give it a shot. A whole bunch of folks love it, even if I don't much care for it personally.
It's also worth noting that the show doesn't seem to really understand what co-ordinators actually are. The majority of them are never introduced doing anything "better" than "regular" people. Their non-named pilots are just as big of schmucks as the human ones, and other than the cast members, they never really seem to use this alleged superiority in any efficient or neat ways. It really would have been handled better if only select characters were actually co-ordinators, as they are a very messy grouping of people.
@@bearminator7441 At the beginning of SEED, only coordinators are able to effectively pilot mobile suits at all, as naturals don't have the reflexes or information processing power required (this comes up a few times with Sai and the Astray girls). Kira reprograms the Strike OS (Athrun does it later to the Aegis) and survives the heat of the reentry battle because of his coordinator traits. Most of the rest of the coordinator's abilities come up in flashbacks to before the war, since the series doesn't have a lot of time to dwell on non-combat applications.
Fundamentally though, the series also highlights the limitations of this genetic ability. Coordinators are only better until naturals figure out how to make technology to bridge the gap (through the Natural OS) at which point is becomes obvious that Coordinators aren't really that special. The whole point is that they're not real evolution, and they're the result of arrogant people thinking they could buy themselves into being a new species.
The characters who go into eugenics apologia are universally regarded as villains, and much ado is made about how genetic engineering isn't real evolution, and humanity hasn't fundamentally changed.
I love SEED
after watching all ur gundam videos u seem like an 'older' fan... nothing wrong with that ..just old
"Most of its audience didnt want to buy gunpla"
Can we put this myth to rest now? Cosmic Era got more gunpla, Robot Damashi and Metal Build than any other Gundam AU. It is also one of the only two AU timelines that got MG treatment for its grunt units(Ginn and ZAKU), the other being 00(GNX)
Yea I was wondering how did he reach that conclusion? If you're going to make a statement like that at least give us a source.
In the end I hated almost all of the cast except for Cagalli and Flay, seriously I unironically love Flay
Could have been the best female character in anime, certainly was the hottest...
Seed and the Cosmic Era among the most popular Gundam series besides the original in Japan (and Asia). It wasn't designed with Western audiences in mind, like many early Gundam series. Today is the release of Seed Freedom film on theatre, and it's still as famous as ever after more than a decade vacuum.
Seed is my number one spot gundam series. Seed is not the best but they introduce me into franchise. If someone give me option to watch ibo or seed, I choose seed.
Cosmic Era is one of my Favorite MS design
Reason to watch Gundam Seed: best girl Murrue Ramius
I weill always perfer gundam seed over the others minus the original as the original is in its own place. But SEED is by far the more interesting setting to me, and a far darker realistion of humanity as a whole.
That is probably what drew me to Gundam SEED too. Funny thing is one right after watching Gundam SEED I started watching Claymore which is a Dark Fantasy setting.
"Make a modern 0079 style series": and thats where SEED failed.
Honestly, Thunderbolt and The origin were massive hits. At this point I still don’t understand why Sunrise doesn’t just remake OG Gundam.
Given its financial and critical response in the target market, I'd say it succeeded.
Seed didn’t fail if it did gundam woudlve ended by now no cap
Seed, Gundam Wing, G Gundam, And now breaker battlelogue, breaker series, and models along with the more modern gundams series IBO, Thunderbolt, Origin, and etc plus Hathaway etc
was gonna send this to my friend but it got taken down, glad to see this back boss
Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny is my first Gundam show to watch. My gripe in Seed is that someone should have slapped Kira in the face and said "being overly emotional won't save your friends in this ship." However, it missed an important point of the show, which is to retrieve the gundams.
IKR. Even a toddler dont have meltdown continously like him. I was, eh....what are you crying about now!?
No matter what anyone says, Rau Le Cruset is THE BEST Char clone! God bless Mark Oliver and his Garmadon voice!
Damn, every gundam seed explaination video really makes me want to start watching it. But when I actuslly did, I just cant bear with it
My very first Gundam anime was Gundam Wing after that was Seed and Seed Destiny my ultimate favorite Gundam is the Wing Zero and the Freedom
This's always been my most favourite gundam franchise.
Due to my background favors military vehicles (mainly aircraft) & martial arts in nature, I had watched many mecha film such as Zgundam, Char's counterattack, patlabor, since '90. Then the new gen animation from F91, wing, and x gundam. Somehow while i enjoying it, i never attached to any of them.
All change when i saw Gundam Seed in 2002, which brought me entirely to the world of Gundam.
I really like every bit of its story, battle's coreography, mechanical development, design & animation.
I actually love seed it's one of my favorite Gundam series and I like the mecha design. Yeah ginn's are just zakus but they did try to make them a little more different with the big back pack and huge head fin. I'm not the biggest fan of the sequel seed destiny as I felt they had too many characters and the mecha designs were just updated UC mechs like they had Dom's just Dom's and zakus (though I do like that design of zaku). But yes seed is fantastic and the amount of episodes being 48 instead of modern shows with the standard 12 or 24
That is why Athrun is the better character than Kira. I love Seed and Seed Destiny the Gundam designs are fantastic.
I just finished both Seed and Destiny and I forgot about the Space whale lmfao.
That being said Seed was fairly enjoyable, but my god Destiny was a trip, similar to Zeta if you can get past the first 25 or so episodes it all comes together in the latter half of the series.
I would still put Seed+Destiny bellow Witch from mercury and Iron Blooded orphans, but it was a good time.
Gundam Seed is the BEST GUNDAM SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GSEED is an amazing storyline that Fukuda and Morosawa created but then shat on because the production team called them out on their horrible work ethic. So Morosawa decided to just throw it in the trash by the time for Destiny.
If you want the real storyline for Destiny, watch Gundam 00. That's the true continuation of the SEED story. Shinn is Setsuna working with the 3 Jesuses of TSA, making up the Celestial Beings.
EDIT: just to note, they later changed what the ultimate coordinator is about. Being a coordinator is much like being the people of the Superman universe. The Destiny Plan is like that of the Codex. Coordinators are designed to do a specific job and they do it extremely well. Kira on the otherhand is like Superman. He can CHOOSE which one he can be/do, which means the Destiny Plan does not work on him. He is the only one that can pick while the rest are kind of screwed. This is the focus on Athrun for the Destiny season. The entire development is him changing himself to be more than just a super soldier pilot. But Kira being the ultimate coordinator does not make him THE ONE.
For one, Athrun can never be beaten in terms of piloting and anything combat related. So that proves that Kira isn't the end all be all character that we take him as, a Gary Stu (Mary Sue).
As for the Jesus resurrection, all 3 of the ace pilots of the Three Ships Alliance have come back to life: Athrun being "killed" by Shinn. Kira being "killed" by Athrun. Mu being killed the Dominion.
I have to agree but i don't like the "ultimate coordinator" plot i actually whould've preffered if kira was actually a clone with rau's genetics here me out it makes sense to just make him a clone rather than the "ultimate coordinator" and the whole destiny plan i mean it clearly dosen't make sense i mean seed is fine but destiny we don't talk about that shit. But if there's one thing shinn was a potential character i mean lets get new characters for once and shinn could've been a great character the only thing i hate about him is his hate for orb literally the only thing i hate about him i even went all my way to rewrite the plot for destiny and seed (there some things i didn't like about the original and some changes are going to needed for a destiny reboot) for like one shinn gets drifted back to orb after he was trying to get the minerva to escape and meets with kira there kira and shinn talk and kira decide's to join the war and kira was in fact part if the zaft military as well because lacus is the vice-chairman of zaft and she is not a pop-star i repeat she is not a pop-star she is zaft's equavilent to cagalli execpet she hasen't seen war until she is onboard the archangel and kira also cuts off one of his legs to escape during the fight between the aegis and strike then one arms with rau then his eye during his fight with rey and patrick zala's are the antagonists along with rey who has second personality called raulas who orchaestrated the whole war to continue rau's work exepect leave some survivors and make himself god than shinn fights raulas after he told kira to help the allies (aka pro-randal zaft forces as well as pro-randal EA forces and neutral nations and pro-cagalli orb forces) to destroy the seed equavilant of the colony laser and during the fight rey gets back control of his body after shinn encouraged rey to take back control of his body also i made cagalli much more better here as well by making the whole assassination on lacus never happen the archangel goes to join up with the minerva when they got word they were being attacked by orb and EA combined forces and when they did cagalli contacted orb forces to join her against the seirans this works with half of the fleet joining there side alonf with that captain who comforted shinn when his family died and i'm not have the freedom 2 here just a big no i had the liberty of making a weaker version of the freedom combined with strike scehmatics called the liberty and give athrun like the same exepect it's the justice and aegis i even have a 3 and 4 sequel ready and this how my idea for a seed reboot
@@zemo5218 that's quite a nice rewrite but the foundations are bad, not because your writing is bad, but because Destiny was thrown in the trash at the very start.
So there's quite a lot of problems behind the scenes. Morosawa being the epicenter of it all.
Back in SEED, she already was quite an awful person to work with. Being one of the position in power, as well as her husband being the lead, they abused their positions quite often.
The production team DID tolerate it because she did get sick halfway through and she did do work, albeit late and often past her deadline,. Making everyone's job bad because they would often barely make the deadline (if they don't reuse things and that's why you get so many reused scenes).
When it comes to Destiny, she tries to use her illness as a crutch and people called her out on it because she was awful to begin with and she already recovered.
So to make people back off of her, she created drama and accused Cagali's VA of seducing her husband (Fukuda). Shinn's VA backed his coworker and so she just made it so that everyone suffers.
She literally threw the entire Destiny plotline to spite the entire production team for calling her BS out.
That's why you only ever get to see 2 episodes of Cagali and Shinn being who they truly are. Then they do a whole 180 character.
Shinn goes batshit crazy and becomes the villain. Cagali becomes a pathetic sobbing mess. Kira replaces Shinn as the full time protagonist. This is why during the revamp, Athrun ends up being the main protagonist of Destiny instead of Shinn (even though his character had always been meant as a supportive character).
This is why Gundam 00 is the TRUEST Destiny plotline that we would ever have.
Even your rewrite suffers from it because you only ever get 2 episodes of the TRUE Desinty plotline.
@@wanderingbufoon morosawa is the whole reason why i'm deciding to make rewrite's to destiny and the entire seed universe i don't care about the foundations all that matters is that i will try to bring back seed's lost potential
Other than that i did make some other changes like durandel is actually a good guy and was actually a good friend of lacus's father, stellar isn't dead because her death seemed pretty pointless and for the entirety of destiny she isn't important nor is in the 3rd sequel concept i have but in the 4th sequel she has a major role of being a motherly type of person to the MC, muu is still dead and neo will still exist because i planned on having kira and cagalli having a secret older brother and for him to be neo he will be a major in the 3rd sequel as the captain of the ship we will be viewing and this time it will be the AF with a new friendly government but militaristic due to them having to limit military power after destiny as for cagalli she will be like what she was in the begining of destiny but after kira bridenaps cagalli (hey that was pretty good not gonna lie so i'm keeping it) she starts to return to her old self
@@zemo5218 well, when Morosawa and Fukuda actually worked, they really did create an amazing story. The reason why I keep saying Gundam 00 is because that is the outline that the VAs got when they were casted for their roles. They knew the general heading on how the story will progress and such.
You even have accounts of Shinn's VA saying that the games have the true Shinn because the cast knew the story.
As for the foundations, If it hadn't been rewritten as a spite story, all these characters may not have been what we know them as. So your rewrite is based off of the wrong notion.
Basing everything on SEED, Morosawa's story and why it is so captivating is because it was meant to be grey. There is no side that that is good. Only that the other side is a bigger offender/violater.
Destiny was suppose to bring TSA into the light of their hypocrisy.That Kira's idealism is the biggest chaotic force in that universe (similar to the Celestial Being's presence in the world and how they will go to war against war).
I do agree that CE has a lot of potential but I was merely saying that the foundations that you OUGHT to use is Gundam 00 rather than the broken story that we know as Destiny as the 00 is a truer (if not the real one) plot for Destiny.
@@wanderingbufoon true they did work together but still the woman brought personal affairs to her show she is litterally too emotional and controlling
Thats true but for some kira's pacifism is really bad in a way i mean sure they could reveal they're hypocrisy but thats not it i feel like kira could've been something more than a pacifist ultimate coordinator he could've become a veteran pilot who experienced losing a lot of his friends and comrades during the war and try's to minimize caaualties in the second war shinn could've gone from arrogant to a calm pilot athrun could've become the commander of the orb forces and trys to enforce orb's armed neutrality so that it could never become a battlefield ever again lacus as a trustworthy and a strong politician same with cagalli seriously they could've been something different and better than what they were that is why i believe that seed needs a reboot with all the characters having different developments i want to see kira, shinn and athrun take a different turn rather than the shithole we got
00 was ok but there was something that never appealed to me it felt like something was missing "was it the setting or the world building" thats what i asked myself there were some good elements but it didn't appeal to me as much as seed, wing, ibo, gundam x and the original there was some sort of element that was missing in 00 it could be there weren't enough people that didn't die i mean seriously there were two characters of the first ship they had, that i didn't even have any background on died and i was like "ok" then lockon dies and thats the end of the death tolls in 00 the thing the 00 needed was to kill of some characters not random characters. Sergei does not count as he only had a connection to that white haired girl (forgot her name) that is why 00 needed more time to build up characters and setting it could've done more and aliens don't count
i LOVE gundam seed
Gundam SEED
Athrun: Die KIRA!
Kira: No u
Gundam SEED Destiny
Shin: DIE KIRA!
Kira: No u
Wait am i seeing the same thing
I feel like gundam seed fans didnt buy gunpla early was because it was just not in our budget. Now that im older.... i have 20 kits built and 30 in backlog. With the new movie that just came out... im waiting for a new PG to come out. Most seed fans are also in this boat now.
It's great for fanfiction
Seed is good for me. Kira is basically superhuman but isn't really invincible. The 3 bio CPUs are giving him a difficult time despite them piloting inferior spec mobile suits. Seed Destiny is what I don't like apart from the mobile suits though I also didn't like how some of the mobile suits are kinda skinny compared to Seed. The bio CPUs in Seed Destiny are total like Intel Pentium
But if you really want best Cosmic Era content, it's on Stargazer and Astray mangas.
The biggest flaw of Cosmic Era though is the ending of Seed Destiny. ZAFT and ORB are ran by teenagers
This. A lot of people seem to think he's some kind of invincible or messiah character, but I never really agreed with that view. Kira obviously wasn't on the level of the Red Coats early on in the series, even though he was almost holding his own 1 vs 4. Which in my opinion you could argue was more like 2 vs 3 because Mu did help Kira and Asuran wasn't really trying early on in the series. And in regard to him being viewed as some messiah. The only people that seem to think so are Rau Le Creuset and Rey Za Burrel. Most of his friends or acquaintances just respect Kira for his intelligence, skill and loyalty (Him trying to protect his friends). Kira never seems to think of himself as a messiah character, he's just doing what he thinks is right. Which, in his eyes, is trying to stop conflict from occurring with minimal casualties.
And the speech...my word!
No ONE WILL TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY!!! NONE!
SERIOUSLY THOSE WRITERS ARE DELUSIONAL.
I can say is a prodcut of this time, lot of animes in the early 2000 had similar feeling of look at this perfect teenagers and well didnt age well for that reason
The plot armour is great too
I missed those types of videos Great work man!
As much as I feel that SEED is over the top, Verde Buster and Strike Noir are two of my favourite Gundams they introduced.
SEED is definitely the Gundam series of all time. It doesn't come close to being perfect, and in fact, many of the plot points either go nowhere or end in an unsatisfactory payoff, while the few that do work get completely manhandled in Destiny. I'm of the opinion that SEED should really have stopped at the first anime and its spin-offs, instead of rushing a beyond half-assed sequel nobody liked.
Also, little story time. There was this japanese SEED game for the GBA that I played that served as my introduction to not only SEED, but the franchise as a whole. I didn't know shit about Gundam, and the fact I couldn't understand the dialogues also meant I didn't know what the plot was about either: For one, I thought Lacus was this alien woman due to how weird her design looked compared to everyone else. Additionally, I later learned that the first four Gundam were called Gs, which made me mistakenly assume that the game I had played was about G Gundam, because it had G in the name.
They came so close with this one. Why is it so hard to make a series that just uses technology as the source of its power. You could explain so many of their advanced capabilities as being the result of their advanced technology, yet they always have the need to throw space magic into it. The coordinators were great! They were the perfect technology based newtype stand in and made so much more sense scientifically and thematically, but no. They just had to throw in space magic. Now maybe I'm biased as a person living on earth, but I can't wait for the day when newtypes are eradicated.
Gundam Seed is a great Gundam series. Its what got me into it, so I love it. However, Jovian Chronicles is my first favorite "Gundam" series.
Everyone having the same face killed me. 😯
As a seed fan I’ll admit Kira is by far the least interesting protagonist of franchise how they do have a superb character in Athrun his arc and development is by far the best part of the series and is worth watching the series for it.
Gundam Seed is 1 and a half seasons of pretty good anime. The issue with it is that last half a season. There's a reason so much fanfiction works to fix that part, and so much has been done in SRW games with the last half of Destiny. Heck, even Dynasty Warriors Gundam, multiple times, has done interesting things with the mess of Destiny and it's characters. The term 'hyperreality' absolutely applies to it, and the 'more is more' definitely needed to be reigned in somewhat to improve it. That being said, it's one of 2 Gundam series that has Alien life be a thing at all. The quiet question of 'Wait, we have evidence of alien life, what does that mean?' being ignored for current world issues (in the setting) reads as believable and set the stage for 00's long plot fulfilled in the film.
I'm forcing myself to slog through it, since everybody talks about it. I started with Gundam 00 and it'll always be my favorite. :)
I wonder how an "Ultimate Gundam"/"Gundam Cinematic Universe" would play out, encompassing lore and characters from EVERY previous series of Gundam and updating them for modern times, plus maybe even incorporating Sunrise's other real robot series and possibly even their super robot series.
A multiverse story, where some how the main character of all gundam series teleport with their gundam to stop the ultimate destroy, The Lucifer gundam.
What do you think?
@@sangamchauhan3564isnt that the plot of super robot wars and SD gundam series?
The reason I love CE is because the plot is actually grim dark as hell like no other series. The CE world
> went through ww3
> is divided by Orwellian superstates now forming the Earth Alliance
> the tech devised to repair genetic damages caused by radiation in ww3 are used to create "coordinator" superhumans, which later declares themselves the master race
> Ethics, religions and rules of war are completely eradicated due to surge of hate against coordinators globally
> War of racial extermination between coordinators and naturals, which almost escalates into complete annihilation of humanity
The plot even describes the Americans supplying the Russians with vessels with Aegis Weapon System and such to form Earth Alliance. That's the state of fucked-up world of CE.
It’s not even closest to being the darkest Gundam lol
They made the opening and ending song revolutionary , for my personal opinion.
While I can acknowledge a lot of the problems with Gundam SEED, I fucking love the show so much. Even Destiny, despite it having even more problems. It’s probably my most rewatched show ever.
I can't stand SEED or any of it's followups but Buster Gundam is my favorite MS by far. Cool color scheme, unique helmet design and has one of the most creative long range armament concepts in the whole series imo.
My local Gundam store is called orb station so it’s very popular lol
What’s crazy is that for like 2 years Gundam was more popular in America than Japan before this series came out. Think about that.
What I don't like about the Cosmic Era is about Shinn that character is a waste of potential. And I blame the Kira Yamato fanboy for that.
Yes Shinn=Athrun and Akira combined and makes no sense lol
It's only recently that I have got to know that Seed is controversial. My observation in some sense is that the people who don't like it seem to fall in a younger category (?)
Often people who have watched a lot of anime, and maybe even been exposed to the UC early.
Back in the day's when we were downloading fan subs of Seed every week, it wasn't actually all that easy to get most of the UC. I think I had seen one maybe two epidoes of Gundam Z and the original series. Other than that it was Wing, and maybe some X.
I can understand why Seed might not be interesting to newer audiences, but I still think it's the best spinn-off Gundam anime, and the show anyone who's not into Gundam yet should start with.
I grew up with this series
I am one of those new fans that SunRise was able to pick up with this series and have bought gunpla as well as watched other series. I loved SEED though this is a biased opinion and was neutral about DESTINY as they couldve done things differently with the story and maybe some extreme plot armor in 2 cases that I can remember and in the end overall I thought the season wasn't bad. Overall I can agree with you that the SEED community was split with DESTINY
Seed and Seed Destiny is more likeable in countries around pacific Asia, the first Gundam ever being intro to Western is Gundam Wing, also kinda like bad boys with attitude, Westerners love this kind of mix. Almost all westerners videos doesn’t like GS or GSD. They prefer Wing, 00, IBO. Because they are bad boys with attitude style. That’s what I observed over the years
It was one of my first animes as a kid but i still enjoy it, i probably fit into the group of people who enjoyed it more as a character drama as i have found very few other mecha animes i enjoy
Seed is very much a wow cool robot show
More is More!!! we have Space Jesus Skywalker that has Heero's blast resistance powers!!! Plus Yaoi, Mind-break, NTR^2, and Princesses ^2
Good ol Gary Stu Yamato. I was totally into Seed as a kid, but as I got older I think my feelings have flipped entirely. The show, in a word, is tacky.
Hey great video. I feel your assessment is fair, more so than so many older fans who mostly just hate on Seed and can't see its merits.
I am a little biased tho. Seed was the first Gundam I watched as a teenager (13-15) who hadn't seen anything like it before. It's mind blowing, heart wrenching with cool action scenes, mechas, plus OP MC... Everything I would enjoy back then. It's practically more like space opera rather than anything else. Overly dramatized, full of emotions, kind of over the top. So much that binge watching it gave me depression. Contrasting it with more grounded predecessors (I heard, haven't watched), I can see why the older fans didn't like it.
Seed Destiny is like the forced sequel the company makes just because Seed was popular. All over the place. I barely enjoyed it even though I really like Seed.
Looking back, while I didn't like the visuals, I greatly enjoy the songs and story, as flawed as it was. Some of the songs remain my favorite till this day. And it's its own thing, unlike the UC timeline which was and is harder to get into due to its sheer size and how dated it is.
SEED destiny is, crap story, but the designs, oh my god I love the designs.
The strike freedom is the mobile suit to bring if you want more dakka. It may not have the same amount as the hazel at full capacity, but it sure does blow that out of the water and look more stylish doing it.
The overdesigned mobile suits are basically the only thing I DO like about CE
you've pretty succunctly layed out my thoughts on SEED. I don't hate it, but neither will I watch it again. You can't deny those designs tho.
Seed is going is going to have a place in my heart because it introduce me to Gundam and every thing else about it in fact the first gunpla I'm getting is from s cosmic eraa
Gundam Seed is the only reason I started watching all Gundam series
Seed was my first foray into the Gundam universe. I'm not eager to revisit it but I will say I really liked the theme songs throughout the series.
Btw Terrorisr With Attitude sounds much better than Celestial Being
Orb main base is not supposed to be in Japan , the official map shows orb base to be located slightly north of New Zealand under the Oceanic union, in fact japan is listed under the North American Security Alliance , ironic isn't it.
SEED had a very solid premise and story outline. it just suffered from bad execution.
This. I'm watching bit by bit of SEED and earnestly I like the technical jargon. I just wished they doubled down on certain things like the racial conflict.
Heck, with the whole Jesus gag, having Kira hated in-universe works because it's kinda a semi-known fact the Messiah wasn't real liked by the dominant force either. Oh, you know, the Romans.
Earnestly, I'm in the camp of Athrun taking over the show past a certain point. Let Kira have his matryrdom so that his best friend Judas- I mean, Athrun, could do the whole show justice.
*fish gasping noises*
Honestly, I keep trying to get through seed. But I get a few episodes in, and then I get bored and wondered off.
It just seems like there is so little reason for the sides to be fighting. The existence of Orb under cuts the very reason for the conflict. ie naturals vs coordinators. (This is coming from someone that has only seen to episode 19, so there may be more reasons later.)
It also felt like half the time they were just making random personal conflict for no real reason, I find that very annoying.
I gave it some thoughts and here are my changes that I think would make the whole set up and the whole setting make sense:
Earth government largely failed to address or neglected racism against Coordinators, causing mass migration and Coordinator dominance in space. PLANT municipal government starts to emerge.
"Bloody Valentines" happened as a gene purists' terrorist act against Junius 7, causing massive casualties, the unification of PLANT government, formation of a new Council, and ZAFT, emerged largely using modified Coordinator civilian mobile suit. PLANT government started to massively expel naturals from its own sphere of influence due to distrust after terrorism attack.
Neutron jammer and canceller was developed at the same time. ZAFT launched a massive amount of neutron jammers onto earth, stopping nuclear fission reactions and causing earth crust to have less activity, so the earth was somewhat colder. Factions inside Orb had some trade with ZAFT to have some neutron jammer cancellers launched into its land, preventing energy crisis within its own land. Orb's government suppressed the truth and claim it is caused by anomaly in canceller density and geothermal energy. Orb's land territory is located not in real world Japan but in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and other SA and SEA countries and some colonies in space. It works as an apprehended society reminiscent of South Africa and co.
*Here's the important ones:*
*The laser fusion reactor that the spaceships in this timeline uses cannot be cost effectively ignited without massive energy and 0 gravity environment. PLANT has Dyson matrices that can ignite the reactors in their 0 gravity environment, earth does not. This caused a massive drop in energy production level on earth, and they can only ignite new reactors and build new ships using the outer space they control. Even on the moon igniting a reactor will be pretty expensive energy cost wise. Apart from Orb, most population centers on earth had to rely on reactors on existing spaceships to power them, and this creates an ultra militarized society.*
*After the initial calculation, the earth joint military hastily formed decided to use the numbers advantage they currently still have to invade PLANT in order to get the access to either the canceller they suspect PLANT already had, or some PLANTS to create fusion reactors since it is logistically very expensive to build your own PLANT. Their calculation was massively off and the battle turned into a stalemate. PLANT still require some mineral resources they get by trading with Orb (that's how Orb can survive as a "neutral" country, by trading smuggled technologies from space to earth and earth resources to space), and the earth alliance has a massive energy deficit, so both sides hates the idea of a prolonged conflict which they currently have and want the war to end as soon as possible, but there was so little to give in because the grievance was so huge.*
Too much soap opera and too many rules of the universe are broken by the story teller. Too bad, because the idea and premise are quite interesting.
But the soap opera....gooooosh, cannot stand it.
I will always love this SEED since it was the first anime that really got me into anime... But I do understand that it does have problems... So I'm guessing that have been of a certain age or type of person to like it... Since I loved watching it back on Toonami back in the day
I haven's seen it but as the dirty fucking weeb that I am I am a sucker for the Astray with the katana. Don't know who pilots it, other than Nils Nilson that is...
The fact Gundam SEED was so popular in Japan blackpilled me that Japan was full of normies for the first time. But what do I know, I like Gundam Wing and all the UC oldheads raged at me for it when I first went online to take about Gundam in the early 2000s and told me to watch UC instead. Of course, this being the early 2000s I had no way to get my hands on the Original series and Zeta Gundam+ZZ Gundam till much later.
I am now a Gundam oldhead that bullies zoomers into watching Original Mobile Suit Gundam+ Zeta Gundam.
Well yeah, of course they are normies, it’s a country, not some place with just nerds. Nerds are a lot more looked down upon in Japan as well, called Otaku
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Now now old man, this old lady dont agree. Get easy to the young'uns eh?
1979-80 is more than 25 years kid !!!!!
Is this a reupload or Am I getting crazy?
Previous video got content id takedown'd. ~It happens~
Ah yes what every single twitter replyguy says as an argument when you ask them why they hate seed
For those wondering about the code around 7:40, I won't spoil it, but it's a simple Caesar cipher for those who want the spoiler.
Yeah but what does it say
@@Tigery760 Deliberately didn't post it because it'd ruin the fun.
This is one of those where I need to watch it to see how badly I hate it
My favorite gundam era. Love the caracters and the MS designs. Story isn't always perfect, but it's better then most. hate the fact that destiny reversed to old updated mono-eye ms designs from uc.
We're watching an anime romanticization of war written by Japanese artists who were probably born when WW2 ended. Half of the modern masses in Japan don't even know the true story of what Japan did in WW2. And then we get into the modern rise of the Nippon Kaigi movement which is a Right Wing militarization campaign of Japan based on traditional "warrior culture"...... We're here for the cool gundam colours and toy collections.....
OO aka the seed to wing
I think Seed is a great show. And I think that simple, emotional people will like it. The more unemotional and logical you are the more flaws you will see. It's a show to be felt, not analysed. It's not meant to be a immensely deep real life drama. It's meant to be a dramatic and romantic sci-fi, feel-good fantasy with giant robots.
Gundam Seed is the best Gundam Series! There I said it, come at me D-bags!
Earth 2 version of Universal century Mobile Suit Gundam
2: the amount of bullshit I'd need to get into would make me sound insane.
Well that explains why ur as the same as me, cuz i hate the bullshit in an anime