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Intel cannot be trusted anymore , until they learn how to make CPU chips quality last as long as AMD or better. Here Intel take ur stupid 14900k back dont care 4 it.
@@silajim I've had to warranty my g604 twice. That said, at least the Logitech website makes it easy to get a replacement, likely because they know there is an issue.
@@kenshinhimura9387 its stilish for some people, and a watch is convenient if your phone battery is dead. Also expensive automatic watches wind their mechanism from your hand's movements so they never die, and thats just cool imo.
@@kenshinhimura9387 convenience. I had to get one, because ADHD can make telling time REALLY hard in my head, and when I'm actively doing things or driving I don't want to go grab my phone.
Nvidia's GPUs had some issues 15 to 20 years ago that led to an entire line of MacBooks having to be trashed. The integrated GPUs would physically fail after a year or so. The response from Nvidia was basically a middle finger to Apple. As such, no more dealings between Nvidia and Apple.
I disliked subscription services when it came to multimedia applications, I disliked it when it came to games, I very much dislike it when it comes to a MOUSE.
till 10 Years ago Logitech made good stuff but now its only waste of money buying Logitech. 3X g903 and all had ghosting in the first month. same Issue with 2 g402 Forevermouse but you need to buy switches on a daily base
@@steadyclouds4614 Astros are absolute trash quality. If you want good headphones you buy Sennheiser, Beyerynamic or Audio Technica. All of the higher end versions of these companies better than anything astro makes
I’m no Apple fan, but when Apple works very hard to maintain independence from Nvidia, then that’s just fine with me, regardless of the reasons behind it. This will encourage development of non-Nvidia approaches to the GPU/highly-parallel-computing software stack, which is a good thing to see and could help a healthy, competitive market to develop. The current de facto standard of CUDA is controlled solely by Nvidia. We need to learn from history: once upon a time, most of commercial computing, at least in North America, was tightly controlled by IBM. IBM had zero desire to develop standard approaches to anything; they wanted control. Today, Nvidia is similar: they control CUDA, and the hardware that uses it, and have zero desire to see industry-standard approaches develop which they do not directly control. We need an industry standard approach to the highly-parallel computing done with GPU-style processors, just like we have an x86 standard today for CPU’s. This helps keep greed in check (well, mostly) and keeps prices competitive. This would put a stop to “The more you buy, the more you save” nonsense.
Logitech: Everyone else is going to subscription model, why can't we? Bad idea Logitech, I'll bet you if you follow through, this idea will die on the vine!
A lot of people is avoiding subscriptions as much as they (we) can. Of course, some you can't avoid (I'd call rent, the electricity bill, etc, "subscriptions"), but without an attitude of restricting those, eliminating those non essential, or which can be replaced with stuff you already have, or smart one-payment-only (purchase) products - better if good deals- going full-on for subscriptions is money down the drain, constantly.
I still have a first gen Macbook Pro with a working Nvidia 8600M, which was where the bad blood between Apple and Nvidia started. The GPUs failed on a large scale because the BGA solder joints came loose due to the heat of the GPU under load. Can't believe the finger pointing between Apple and Nvidia over the issue has still left bad blood nearly 20 years later
Sounds like an Apple issue not doing propper cooling. This fault was not Nvidia exclusive. Every 2000s - 2010 Laptop had the so called "bending" issue.
@@nickdibart Reminds me of how 3 of my Razer mouses suddenly started to have double-clicks, no click detection and sometimes a bit off sensitivity (as if it went from 1000dpi to 950). Fixed first one 4 times replacing microswitches and it worked fine for maybe a day. Gave it to my dad... Works fine for a year. Next ones I just gave to him before I gave up and bought some cheapass "gaming mouse" and it works fine for 4 years now.
Logitech Board Meeting: "The average rodent mouse lives for less than 2 years, will someone tell me WHY THE HELL WE SELL COMPUTER MICE THAT LAST LONGER?! MAKE THEM FAIL FASTER AND UNREPAIRABLE SO WE CAN OFFER A SERVICE MODEL!"
11:20 degraded cpus will indefinetely crash at their current settings and if you set a IA voltage limit to 1.35v it has a rare chance of recovering but even then sometimes degredation is indefinate and cannot be undone. degraded cpus can get so bad that a bad sector will indefinately crash a cpu no matter how "stable" it is supposed to be even if it ran at 1.1ghz with 0.9v
All they said is that they're gonna launch a BIOS update to fix it in a few days and that in the mean time the best thing to do is to undervolt them to help them last longer until you can you can update the microcode to finnaly fix it ans be bale to use them at 100% sort of not defending them by any means
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme What if the purpose of the patch is to make the CPUs last long enough to pass the RMA time limit? I don't trust these guys.
I only replace a mouse when it dies, and lately Logitech hasn't kept their quality controls up to snuff (I already ditched two Logi keyboards with a couple dead keys -weeks after warranty expired, coincidence? I don't think so!-), all I know is, my next mouse won't be a Logitech.
That US EK was not responsible for it's problems was pretty much what I was getting at with my comment. That the US EK was significantly mishandled by the overseas ownership with things like not letting the profits made by the US company stay with the US company, forcing the US company to do dumb and dangerous things simply because the parent company could get away with it on their own turf, ect.
I do think its wrong that intel lowers the performance of the CPUs to keep them working… Customers bought the CPUs for their performance and now they sre not as perfomant as they were.
"Companies must continue to grow or else technically they are dying" While the mantra "grow or die" is prevalent and holds some truth in competitive and scalable industries, it is not universally applicable. Continuous improvement and strategic, managed growth are often more sustainable approaches for ensuring long-term business success. $200 Mouse with a Subscription...right.
So.... growth of roots, rather than growth of branches and leaves? (I swear 99% of businesses don't quite get the "grow or die" mantra and what part actually needs to grow....) ....this $200 mouse definitely feels like a "growth of leaves" scenario. Even with me going through mice quickly from overuse, and getting ones that specifically fit my oversized hand, I'd still probably get a couple decades' worth of computer mice out of that much money.
A forever mouse? Are mice not already "forever" mice. We only get new ones when the old one stops working, or we find something we like more. So they're charging for drivers?
Feels like... seems to me they're debating internally if keeping doing mechanical switches with "programmed obsolescence", that after a year or so go the way of the Dodo, or if that can end up biting their behinds due to the increasing social (and institutional) pressure to reduce e-waste (or some other reason). Or jump into the very greedy wagon of subscriptions, that investors so much love, and consumers usually hate. Or... that new tech (optical switches, etc) in competitors is making mice survive more time than usual, now. And as they can't stay behind, they are also implementing it. But that goes against the fabulous business models printers had for decades (still going) : They don't mind the printers' cost, the business is in the ink cartridges. If they'd provide ink that lasted more, that didn't dry that fast, that did not get stuck so easily in the conducts... they'd earn way less money, and making the products more similar to those physical products and machines of the 50s and earlier, that lasted a very long time, does not multiply benefits as much as powers that be want. So, maybe... just maybe.. They might have realized the subscriptions is where the money is at, so they'd get the money from there instead of forcing the obsolescence so much, as some people is swapping to other brands due to it, too. Well, they will still do it, just not so much. They'd then earn the good name of having solid mice (or maybe the plan is replacing them when they get broken, included in the subscription), and yet get their profit multiplied by many factors. Which is what the board of investors only care about. A trap for the consumer. You from then have a permanent monthly payment more, which they can raise whenever. Removing freedom in operation, too.
Intel should first extend the warranties for the 13th and 14th gen CPUs, I don't think many people will buy their stuff because of their Lukewarm customer support.
From everything I’ve seen regarding AFMF2 is that the quality is slightly behind lossless, but the latency is MUCH better. And it’s free! So that’s good. 👍
After being burned by the i9 debacle I don't care if the Core Ultra 9 is twice as fast as the 9950X I'll be going with AMD for the foreseeable future. Done with the lies and deceit by intel
@@drunkhusband6257 regardless, you have to deal with the situation _as it is now._ Besides, you're confusing "issues" like heat & lower single core performance with "catastrophic failure" 😂
@@drunkhusband6257 Intel has had problems in the past as well but rectified those problems quickly. But the past is no measure for intel today. I've owned intel processors since the 386, and back then up to the mid to late 2000's intel has been a good company for CPU's. While AMD has had missteps as well the company has gotten better while intel has not.
@@jemborg he might not be talking about these issues. I have heard a lot about USB not working or lagging hard on AM4 boards. AMD has claimed to have fixed this multiple times and people keep saying there are USB problems.
"hey let's make our already pricey mouse even more pricey!" "yeah good idea! but I have a better one, let's make the user subscribe to have their mouse driver!" "ho yeah!! but... why not both?"
I stopped buying gaming mouse from Logitech because every single one would develop an issue where the mouse-1 button would frequently double click when pressed. My Razer Basilisk v3 and Logitech MX Master 2S have been flawless though.
Nice I made the same switch for the same reason and my Razor Basilisk v2 has also been flawless! (a little pricey up front but time has proven its worth the cost)
I went through 6 G903's because of the crappy Chinese Omron switches Logitech uses, finally just replaced the switches with kailh gm 8.0's.. Logitech wanted me to use a clicker program to detect the double clicking while someone recorded me doing it, absolutely ridiculous.
i think the comment about voltage on intel cpu said it would crash bc if ur cpu encountered this issue with high voltage for a long period of time, parts of it will stop functionning correctly in specific intern cpu operations. Then, in that case, lowering the voltage and or frequencies wouldnt be enough
Yo! lemme throw back some feedback about the microphone audio. It's great! Your speech is now much more clear than the last episode. No further improvements needed regarding audio.
After pausing at the Lunar Lake SKU chart, I was staring it still for like 5 minutes to figure out what 8V and 6V mean. I feel sorry for all laptop salesperson out there because they will get that look from customers for quite a while.
If Logitech launch the "Forever" mouse (horrible name) when my current keyboard and mice die (both Logitech) I will not be replacing them with Logitech products. Reading between the lines, they are saying that if it isn't in the "Forever" line then you are not going to get updates for long.
I wouldn’t read too much into Apple exclusively using TPUs. At least two (three most likely) of the biggest frameworks have full support for them. They simply could have came to an agreement with Google that gives them tons of resources; why split things up unnecessarily?
Holy... Logitech talking about forever mouse when their mice with 2 year warranty has scroll dying within first year of use and sending it to warranty gets you a response that the company handling the warranty doesn't even have replacement parts for it so you can't even get it repaired even if you wanted to pay for it. And while scroll wheel axle in MX518 could be fixed with a fixed with a toothpick or rod from a blind rivet, G603 has a hidden metal piece inside explicitly making it so that if you try to drill through the axle, the heat spreads across the body of the scroll wheel and it melts all over. The same logitech that made G533 headset that has the mic wire designed to wear down while using the on-off toggle action of moving the mic up and down...
After building my first computer, and finding it to be as easy as Lego. Like to see: Red / Black ASUS mobo. Red or green GPU. Yellow Corsair DDR5. Actually a blue MoBo with different colors to show which case wires red power/ blue USB /green thunderbolt etc.
The problem with degraded performance is that people are sold on peak performance and they could have just bought another far cheaper cpu, hence they are actually depriving the customer of far more value than they are publicly recognizing.
that forever mouse has to be a joke. watches and mice only are replaced, when physically broken beyond repair (if such a repair costs significantly less than a new one). which happens relatively often with the e-waste logitech produces. that stuff looks like a good deal at first until you compare it to even only slightly more expensive peripherals. if i pay double for some other mouse, but don't have to buy a new one or even only repair it for over double the time, than the cheaper product turns out significantly more expensive (garbage disposal costs money too).
I refuse to buy a new car due to the shift toward subscription requirements for things like heated seats and remote start. Logi can get bent if they think I'm buying subscription hardware for my PC.
Steam deck screen thing - so if they're supporting 3rd party replacement screens, does this mean they'll support higher resolutions on external displays? Not saying I need 4k 240hz.. but like some games just have massive UI on small resolution.
The minimum specs for a computer which I would build is that it has to have at least 12 cores without hyperthreading, has to play all modern games at above 30 FPS at 1080p, at least 32 GB of RAM, and 2 TB Main OS drive. I hope Nvidia's future premium PC handheld console would have all those specs and have dock to connect to it and SD card expansion.
@@kenshinhimura9387I assume because he’s talking about a handheld?, and I absolutely agree, 1080p is handheld/smartphone resolution territory at this point.
As a community we should always and forever agree to avoid any computer component that comes with a subscription fee. A subscription model for a mouse is extra heinous. Whatever Logitech's CEO is smoking, I want some of that.
Doesn't look good for Intel lately; they announced layoffs today. Can the same problem occur with AMD cpus as what is going on with intel cpus lately? I know the 7800x3d cpu I have must be below a certain voltage and I don't overly overclock it and run with memory ddr5 @ 6000.
The forever mouse sounds like a great idea if they actually build it well Because forget i will ever update it, i just want a mouse that doesnt die because i dared to click it 10 times, thats why i went with an ROG chakram with replaceable switches
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Having to coin a "forever mouse" to sell that as a feature under a subscription model seems like an admition that all their other products are or will be inferior. I don't understand the market need for a forever mouse, I don't think I've ever once had to replace a laser/optical mouse and I've never spent more than $50 on a mouse and I've never needed software for it either. Having a mouse that costs the same as a custom keyboard is insane. With companies constantly moving to subscription models but failing to actually innovate just means customers ultimately end up with shitter products, while leeching money off customers without actually providing anything valuable.
I wish that they would sell compute units in an open compute economy instead of gatekeeper stuff. I wish computes were like money and the provisions keeper agnostic. Like an internet network of resources and payment processors to manage their use. Like I think I should be able to own some resources in my own garden and invite or offer out stuff.
Just software updates for a product with a life span, I know Hall effects parts exist but I’m sure they lose 100% precision over time or new DPI laser with life time precision idk sounds terrible
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Where did Logitech get the idea that the “average” price for keyboards and mice was $26? Looking on their own website at their own keyboard prices, and they have 1, maybe 2 keyboard models that are below that point. Most of them are double or higher. I didn’t look at their mice, but I’d imagine they’d probably similar.
Most Logitech mice don't last more than 1-2 years before the mouse wheel packs up. Sometimes less than a year like the G703 scroll wheel which I have already burned through 3 mice. So the "forever mouse" is almost insulting, considering Logitech mice don't even last 1 year by experience for heavy users, people who use their computer daily.
"Logitech us seeking growth by appealing to the many people that don't own both a mouse and keyboard" - THe...FUCK..? You mean people who don't have computers?
Everything is gonna become a subscription. The only way that works is if the slash the base price so that, at the very least, the 5 year price is the same
Logitech asking for a subscription for software updates on their hardware reminds me of EA asking for money for ammo reloads back in the day. Horrible idea. If they did roll this out, people would just get their software updates some other way for free.
long lasting mouse = Infinite clicks + Infinite scroll + Evolving Sensor (evolves to even stronger sensor as time passes) + Infinite Battery (for wireless) + Diet Mode (goes on a diet when owner feels its heavy) Logitech's CEO must be an anime fan or something.
I have a hunch for blackwell that the 5080 will be close to the 4090 in performance rather than the 70 tier matching the previous gen flagship like usual.
I have a 4080 and I just am not excited with new Nvidias new cards when they talk about them. The first thought is what are they going to put behind a wall that the 4080 cant seem to do. Its always something hardware locked, when we know the 30 series cards could do DLSS 3.0
I'd buy the Logitech mouse, if it were $0 and they would change it when it breaks, but still, depends on the subscription as well (maybe at $50 .. $75 per year)
I think the Intel CPU issues could be a bigger issue. I agree that the overlap in markets are very different but the reporting about the issue is literally everywhere, enthusiast or not. And alot of people may just get the take away as "Intel chips are broken, and Intel are screwing up dealing with the issue." which would impact all segments of the market.
Should I really be surprised that Logitech is going with the subscription route? And what a horrible decision for consumers, just like how BMW tried forcing you to pay them RMR for heated seats that are already in the car. Heaven forbid I miss a payment and my mouse stops working.
Logitech is now so low quality its almost as bad as razer quality. But at least they had the sanity to keep their prices relatively low on most of their models. Churning out a $200 piece of crap with a subscription model should just be illegal
I might consider a "forever mouse" if the concept was a $200 valued mouse that I paid a small monthly fee for (peripheral as a service?) and was able to swap to the latest updated version every couple years and had a forever warranty as long as you're paying the subscription... This concept of paying for software updates on an already premium priced mouse makes no sense. If I pay that much for the mouse, I better keep getting software updates for free for 10 years.
used to love Logitech their speakers had the best price to performance ever, had the z 2300 and 5500 for almost 20 years still runs, same with G11 keyboards and I wore out several of the old mice. Got the new model 906 speakers and it died in less than 2 weeks my trust is now gone entirely.
What functionality could there be that a software update would give? All meaninful advancements in compute mice have been in hardware not software. So a optical sensor replacement but that will require them to open up the physical device thus a hardware change and not everyone has the tools necessary to open then close and seal a mouse.
Bummer. I'd say rebuild it. Even if you have to go with custom gaskets and O ring the heads. (Laser cut gaskets). Get a quote on custom crank or rods. Or maybe get a crashed whole car?
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Intel cannot be trusted anymore , until they learn how to make CPU chips quality last as long as AMD or better. Here Intel take ur stupid 14900k back dont care 4 it.
Logitech making a forever mouse is a joke. They are using switches in their high end mice now that barely last a year...
My mx master 3S is starting to have some issues in the switches, and it does not even have 6 months
@@silajim same but the problem is the arm rest button isuue and made my whole mose frozen
@@pham3383 yeah, it's a classic problem, I am actually thinking of changing the switches to some classic omrons
i replaced 3 GPX superlights within 9 months..
@@silajim I've had to warranty my g604 twice. That said, at least the Logitech website makes it easy to get a replacement, likely because they know there is an issue.
That logic is nothing like a watch. You pay for your watch ONCE.
Exactly. A nice watch is expensive up front, but it doesn't gouge you for more money every month.
It does require service and/or new batteries every once in a while tho ☺️
why would anyone want a watch when literally everyone owns a smartphone that is far more accurate at telling time.
@@kenshinhimura9387 its stilish for some people, and a watch is convenient if your phone battery is dead. Also expensive automatic watches wind their mechanism from your hand's movements so they never die, and thats just cool imo.
@@kenshinhimura9387 convenience. I had to get one, because ADHD can make telling time REALLY hard in my head, and when I'm actively doing things or driving I don't want to go grab my phone.
Nvidia's GPUs had some issues 15 to 20 years ago that led to an entire line of MacBooks having to be trashed. The integrated GPUs would physically fail after a year or so. The response from Nvidia was basically a middle finger to Apple. As such, no more dealings between Nvidia and Apple.
...i think i had one of those? had a macbookpro that died about 12 years ago, the screen turned into this demonic color pattern
I remember the story. Seems Nvidia has always been a crappy partner.
I disliked subscription services when it came to multimedia applications, I disliked it when it came to games, I very much dislike it when it comes to a MOUSE.
Take a stand, stop buying them
And yet, they'll keep coming 😢
If only Logitech managed to make a long-lasting headset first, I might believe they are capable of making a long-lasting anything.
They made decent stuff back in the day, I still have a decades old pair of speakers and keyboard.
till 10 Years ago Logitech made good stuff but now its only waste of money buying Logitech. 3X g903 and all had ghosting in the first month. same Issue with 2 g402
Forevermouse but you need to buy switches on a daily base
@@tristn2910 ^
fr, my logitech headset was not long for this world, my logitech mouse has lasted a long time though
@@steadyclouds4614 Astros are absolute trash quality. If you want good headphones you buy Sennheiser, Beyerynamic or Audio Technica. All of the higher end versions of these companies better than anything astro makes
I’m no Apple fan, but when Apple works very hard to maintain independence from Nvidia, then that’s just fine with me, regardless of the reasons behind it. This will encourage development of non-Nvidia approaches to the GPU/highly-parallel-computing software stack, which is a good thing to see and could help a healthy, competitive market to develop. The current de facto standard of CUDA is controlled solely by Nvidia.
We need to learn from history: once upon a time, most of commercial computing, at least in North America, was tightly controlled by IBM. IBM had zero desire to develop standard approaches to anything; they wanted control.
Today, Nvidia is similar: they control CUDA, and the hardware that uses it, and have zero desire to see industry-standard approaches develop which they do not directly control.
We need an industry standard approach to the highly-parallel computing done with GPU-style processors, just like we have an x86 standard today for CPU’s. This helps keep greed in check (well, mostly) and keeps prices competitive.
This would put a stop to “The more you buy, the more you save” nonsense.
“The more you buy, the more you save… that’s CEO math”
Logitech: Everyone else is going to subscription model, why can't we? Bad idea Logitech, I'll bet you if you follow through, this idea will die on the vine!
Im gonna ditch everything with subscription. Even when i end up with sticks and stones.
@@dom3827 Feels like death by a thousand cuts, with everyone going to the subscription model.
@@bokami3445 when people are so dumb, so be it. Without me
A lot of people is avoiding subscriptions as much as they (we) can. Of course, some you can't avoid (I'd call rent, the electricity bill, etc, "subscriptions"), but without an attitude of restricting those, eliminating those non essential, or which can be replaced with stuff you already have, or smart one-payment-only (purchase) products - better if good deals- going full-on for subscriptions is money down the drain, constantly.
@@dom3827good. Keep that energy! I know I am.
I still have a first gen Macbook Pro with a working Nvidia 8600M, which was where the bad blood between Apple and Nvidia started. The GPUs failed on a large scale because the BGA solder joints came loose due to the heat of the GPU under load.
Can't believe the finger pointing between Apple and Nvidia over the issue has still left bad blood nearly 20 years later
My dad still has one of those MBPs. He fixed it by baking it in the oven. Hasn’t had any issues since.
It's kind of the same bad blood Apple had with Intel because those Intel Macs got hotter and hotter every year.
@@realgoose glad to hear that last ditch attempt worked!
Sounds like an Apple issue not doing propper cooling.
This fault was not Nvidia exclusive.
Every 2000s - 2010 Laptop had the so called "bending" issue.
That's still Apple's problem, their designs are beautiful but not temperature friendly
Why would anyone need a software update on a mouse. What a scam
firmware updates make sense, but something tells me that the mouse will stop working all together without their software updates.
@@nickdibart Reminds me of how 3 of my Razer mouses suddenly started to have double-clicks, no click detection and sometimes a bit off sensitivity (as if it went from 1000dpi to 950). Fixed first one 4 times replacing microswitches and it worked fine for maybe a day. Gave it to my dad... Works fine for a year. Next ones I just gave to him before I gave up and bought some cheapass "gaming mouse" and it works fine for 4 years now.
Just like an online connection that requires firmware updates on a coffee... it's stupid. It's unnecessary.
Macros and stuff, the reason you insist everyone is cheating when you get rolled lol
No no no you don't it, this is awesome! It also means you don't your hardware broken by their software update!
A forever mouse?!?!? SIGN ME UP!
I'm gonna set that right next to my HP printer on the trebuchet.
Logitech Board Meeting: "The average rodent mouse lives for less than 2 years, will someone tell me WHY THE HELL WE SELL COMPUTER MICE THAT LAST LONGER?! MAKE THEM FAIL FASTER AND UNREPAIRABLE SO WE CAN OFFER A SERVICE MODEL!"
Oh yes, rodent mice are pretty much unrepearable, so making computer mice repearable in the first place was a huge oversight by Logitech!
Mouse - NO, hell no. There is no software for a mouse worth a monthly payment.
11:20 degraded cpus will indefinetely crash at their current settings and if you set a IA voltage limit to 1.35v it has a rare chance of recovering but even then sometimes degredation is indefinate and cannot be undone. degraded cpus can get so bad that a bad sector will indefinately crash a cpu no matter how "stable" it is supposed to be even if it ran at 1.1ghz with 0.9v
CONSUMERS: Hey Intel, will you recognize your CPUs failure and accept RMAs from clients?
Intel: NEW CPUS COMING SOON!
All they said is that they're gonna launch a BIOS update to fix it in a few days and that in the mean time the best thing to do is to undervolt them to help them last longer until you can you can update the microcode to finnaly fix it ans be bale to use them at 100% sort of
not defending them by any means
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme But if your i9 is already borked like mine is then the microcode update means nothing and won't help.
@@cjjones2981 Yeah all you can do is shout at intel until they send you a replacement
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme What if the purpose of the patch is to make the CPUs last long enough to pass the RMA time limit?
I don't trust these guys.
@@pssthpok I don't trust any company but that's the best thing to do in this case in my opinion
I only replace a mouse when it dies, and lately Logitech hasn't kept their quality controls up to snuff (I already ditched two Logi keyboards with a couple dead keys -weeks after warranty expired, coincidence? I don't think so!-), all I know is, my next mouse won't be a Logitech.
That US EK was not responsible for it's problems was pretty much what I was getting at with my comment. That the US EK was significantly mishandled by the overseas ownership with things like not letting the profits made by the US company stay with the US company, forcing the US company to do dumb and dangerous things simply because the parent company could get away with it on their own turf, ect.
I do think its wrong that intel lowers the performance of the CPUs to keep them working… Customers bought the CPUs for their performance and now they sre not as perfomant as they were.
"Companies must continue to grow or else technically they are dying"
While the mantra "grow or die" is prevalent and holds some truth in competitive and scalable industries, it is not universally applicable. Continuous improvement and strategic, managed growth are often more sustainable approaches for ensuring long-term business success.
$200 Mouse with a Subscription...right.
So.... growth of roots, rather than growth of branches and leaves?
(I swear 99% of businesses don't quite get the "grow or die" mantra and what part actually needs to grow....)
....this $200 mouse definitely feels like a "growth of leaves" scenario. Even with me going through mice quickly from overuse, and getting ones that specifically fit my oversized hand, I'd still probably get a couple decades' worth of computer mice out of that much money.
A forever mouse? Are mice not already "forever" mice. We only get new ones when the old one stops working, or we find something we like more. So they're charging for drivers?
I have an old 2001 optical mouse with USB 1 that still works good enough for 90% applications that I keep it as backup
Feels like... seems to me they're debating internally if keeping doing mechanical switches with "programmed obsolescence", that after a year or so go the way of the Dodo, or if that can end up biting their behinds due to the increasing social (and institutional) pressure to reduce e-waste (or some other reason). Or jump into the very greedy wagon of subscriptions, that investors so much love, and consumers usually hate.
Or... that new tech (optical switches, etc) in competitors is making mice survive more time than usual, now. And as they can't stay behind, they are also implementing it. But that goes against the fabulous business models printers had for decades (still going) : They don't mind the printers' cost, the business is in the ink cartridges. If they'd provide ink that lasted more, that didn't dry that fast, that did not get stuck so easily in the conducts... they'd earn way less money, and making the products more similar to those physical products and machines of the 50s and earlier, that lasted a very long time, does not multiply benefits as much as powers that be want.
So, maybe... just maybe.. They might have realized the subscriptions is where the money is at, so they'd get the money from there instead of forcing the obsolescence so much, as some people is swapping to other brands due to it, too. Well, they will still do it, just not so much. They'd then earn the good name of having solid mice (or maybe the plan is replacing them when they get broken, included in the subscription), and yet get their profit multiplied by many factors. Which is what the board of investors only care about. A trap for the consumer. You from then have a permanent monthly payment more, which they can raise whenever. Removing freedom in operation, too.
Subscription services are so pathetic and blatantly unnessasary. Do they actually think anybody is going to bite?!?
Intel should first extend the warranties for the 13th and 14th gen CPUs, I don't think many people will buy their stuff because of their Lukewarm customer support.
More like customer avoidance.
From everything I’ve seen regarding AFMF2 is that the quality is slightly behind lossless, but the latency is MUCH better.
And it’s free! So that’s good. 👍
After being burned by the i9 debacle I don't care if the Core Ultra 9 is twice as fast as the 9950X I'll be going with AMD for the foreseeable future. Done with the lies and deceit by intel
lol amd has had far more than 2 years of issues in the past by that logic Intel is far more reliable as a whole
@@drunkhusband6257 regardless, you have to deal with the situation _as it is now._
Besides, you're confusing "issues" like heat & lower single core performance with "catastrophic failure" 😂
@@drunkhusband6257 Intel has had problems in the past as well but rectified those problems quickly. But the past is no measure for intel today. I've owned intel processors since the 386, and back then up to the mid to late 2000's intel has been a good company for CPU's. While AMD has had missteps as well the company has gotten better while intel has not.
@@jemborg he might not be talking about these issues. I have heard a lot about USB not working or lagging hard on AM4 boards. AMD has claimed to have fixed this multiple times and people keep saying there are USB problems.
@@jemborg A lot of AMD cpus degraded very fast in the past, making them slow as hell a couple years into use, this was going on for yeaaaars
A note on the intel chips, they can also die from decreased voltage
I love how the headline is about Apple AI and the most commented thing is Logitech being idiots.
"hey let's make our already pricey mouse even more pricey!" "yeah good idea! but I have a better one, let's make the user subscribe to have their mouse driver!" "ho yeah!! but... why not both?"
I stopped buying gaming mouse from Logitech because every single one would develop an issue where the mouse-1 button would frequently double click when pressed. My Razer Basilisk v3 and Logitech MX Master 2S have been flawless though.
Nice I made the same switch for the same reason and my Razor Basilisk v2 has also been flawless! (a little pricey up front but time has proven its worth the cost)
Logitech already had forever mouse, it was called mx518.
I went through 6 G903's because of the crappy Chinese Omron switches Logitech uses, finally just replaced the switches with kailh gm 8.0's.. Logitech wanted me to use a clicker program to detect the double clicking while someone recorded me doing it, absolutely ridiculous.
i think the comment about voltage on intel cpu said it would crash bc if ur cpu encountered this issue with high voltage for a long period of time, parts of it will stop functionning correctly in specific intern cpu operations. Then, in that case, lowering the voltage and or frequencies wouldnt be enough
0:22 tech tip: NVIDIA broadcast has been good at removing echo/reverb and background noise for my mic input
Yo! lemme throw back some feedback about the microphone audio. It's great! Your speech is now much more clear than the last episode. No further improvements needed regarding audio.
After pausing at the Lunar Lake SKU chart, I was staring it still for like 5 minutes to figure out what 8V and 6V mean. I feel sorry for all laptop salesperson out there because they will get that look from customers for quite a while.
8V variant has 32GB of RAM, 6V 16GB. It’s not that complicated.
Ah yes, paying for the privilege of renting an IOT device. Amazing.
If Logitech launch the "Forever" mouse (horrible name) when my current keyboard and mice die (both Logitech) I will not be replacing them with Logitech products. Reading between the lines, they are saying that if it isn't in the "Forever" line then you are not going to get updates for long.
I wouldn’t read too much into Apple exclusively using TPUs. At least two (three most likely) of the biggest frameworks have full support for them. They simply could have came to an agreement with Google that gives them tons of resources; why split things up unnecessarily?
Holy... Logitech talking about forever mouse when their mice with 2 year warranty has scroll dying within first year of use and sending it to warranty gets you a response that the company handling the warranty doesn't even have replacement parts for it so you can't even get it repaired even if you wanted to pay for it. And while scroll wheel axle in MX518 could be fixed with a fixed with a toothpick or rod from a blind rivet, G603 has a hidden metal piece inside explicitly making it so that if you try to drill through the axle, the heat spreads across the body of the scroll wheel and it melts all over. The same logitech that made G533 headset that has the mic wire designed to wear down while using the on-off toggle action of moving the mic up and down...
Im glad Brett doesn't overclock hot news because it keeps me stable!
After building my first computer, and finding it to be as easy as Lego. Like to see: Red / Black ASUS mobo. Red or green GPU. Yellow Corsair DDR5.
Actually a blue MoBo with different colors to show which case wires red power/ blue USB /green thunderbolt etc.
The problem with degraded performance is that people are sold on peak performance and they could have just bought another far cheaper cpu, hence they are actually depriving the customer of far more value than they are publicly recognizing.
I am not touching an Intel processor any time soon. Let's see how their new products hold up 6 months after launch.
that forever mouse has to be a joke. watches and mice only are replaced, when physically broken beyond repair (if such a repair costs significantly less than a new one). which happens relatively often with the e-waste logitech produces. that stuff looks like a good deal at first until you compare it to even only slightly more expensive peripherals. if i pay double for some other mouse, but don't have to buy a new one or even only repair it for over double the time, than the cheaper product turns out significantly more expensive (garbage disposal costs money too).
I refuse to buy a new car due to the shift toward subscription requirements for things like heated seats and remote start. Logi can get bent if they think I'm buying subscription hardware for my PC.
Steam deck screen thing - so if they're supporting 3rd party replacement screens, does this mean they'll support higher resolutions on external displays?
Not saying I need 4k 240hz.. but like some games just have massive UI on small resolution.
The minimum specs for a computer which I would build is that it has to have at least 12 cores without hyperthreading, has to play all modern games at above 30 FPS at 1080p, at least 32 GB of RAM, and 2 TB Main OS drive. I hope Nvidia's future premium PC handheld console would have all those specs and have dock to connect to it and SD card expansion.
why 1080p? that is ancient and outdated resolution. Most gamers are on 1440p now. 4k is too hard to run.
@@kenshinhimura9387I assume because he’s talking about a handheld?, and I absolutely agree, 1080p is handheld/smartphone resolution territory at this point.
Yeah, Soltek motherboard colours were awesome. And cheap too.
Imagine mid game, and Logitech decides that you must pay the subscription like a battlepass.
What's next? subscription keyboard? Case Fans?
A "forever mouse"? Does that mean Logitech will stop making their microswitches out of rice pudding?
As a community we should always and forever agree to avoid any computer component that comes with a subscription fee. A subscription model for a mouse is extra heinous. Whatever Logitech's CEO is smoking, I want some of that.
Doesn't look good for Intel lately; they announced layoffs today. Can the same problem occur with AMD cpus as what is going on with intel cpus lately? I know the 7800x3d cpu I have must be below a certain voltage and I don't overly overclock it and run with memory ddr5 @ 6000.
love that macbook backplate, talking about logitech when you buy nice watch it doesn't have subscription.
Just enjoying Brettfast on my borthday. Life doesn't get much better than this!
The forever mouse sounds like a great idea if they actually build it well
Because forget i will ever update it, i just want a mouse that doesnt die because i dared to click it 10 times, thats why i went with an ROG chakram with replaceable switches
The audio is much better today, Brett.
love it when you mention the Carbonite site and CUD syndrome, I am part of that Disease and love to see you doing well that side South Africa misses you
Very excited for lunar lake.
I have to say, it's so cool to see even a glimpse of how many different ways AI can be developed, implemented, and used.
How about a hot news from under the sheets? Would be cozy and as a bonus sound better to.
Ya but when Apple hits the OpenAI servers with your request, what hardware is used on the backend?
Having to coin a "forever mouse" to sell that as a feature under a subscription model seems like an admition that all their other products are or will be inferior. I don't understand the market need for a forever mouse, I don't think I've ever once had to replace a laser/optical mouse and I've never spent more than $50 on a mouse and I've never needed software for it either. Having a mouse that costs the same as a custom keyboard is insane. With companies constantly moving to subscription models but failing to actually innovate just means customers ultimately end up with shitter products, while leeching money off customers without actually providing anything valuable.
I've always wondered... what does UFD stand for?
I wish that they would sell compute units in an open compute economy instead of gatekeeper stuff. I wish computes were like money and the provisions keeper agnostic. Like an internet network of resources and payment processors to manage their use. Like I think I should be able to own some resources in my own garden and invite or offer out stuff.
True about EK. But there could be trouble for the Slovenian side if the EU gets involved (although the EU currently has more to worry about right now)
Just software updates for a product with a life span, I know Hall effects parts exist but I’m sure they lose 100% precision over time or new DPI laser with life time precision idk sounds terrible
Probably a but out of place considering that has got nothing to do with the video but I saw an old short of yours talking about your life and your disabled son. Just really wanted to say that you got an heart of gold
How goes the vacation? Hope you're having a good time with the family Brett!
Where did Logitech get the idea that the “average” price for keyboards and mice was $26? Looking on their own website at their own keyboard prices, and they have 1, maybe 2 keyboard models that are below that point. Most of them are double or higher.
I didn’t look at their mice, but I’d imagine they’d probably similar.
More robust screen support may be an indicator that Valve is planning a TV console sister to the Steam Deck
Hi Brett. What would the recommended method be for getting SilverStone PC cases in South Africa?
So now we have Mouse As A Service. It's definitely currently year.
I was already waiting for the next UFD-video, about 1 1/2 hours before i go to work, i am happy now.
Most Logitech mice don't last more than 1-2 years before the mouse wheel packs up. Sometimes less than a year like the G703 scroll wheel which I have already burned through 3 mice.
So the "forever mouse" is almost insulting, considering Logitech mice don't even last 1 year by experience for heavy users, people who use their computer daily.
"Logitech us seeking growth by appealing to the many people that don't own both a mouse and keyboard" - THe...FUCK..? You mean people who don't have computers?
Everything is gonna become a subscription. The only way that works is if the slash the base price so that, at the very least, the 5 year price is the same
as long as the forever mouse comes with forever repair/replacement it might be worth while...
Logitech asking for a subscription for software updates on their hardware reminds me of EA asking for money for ammo reloads back in the day.
Horrible idea. If they did roll this out, people would just get their software updates some other way for free.
Thanks for the MSI power supply deal. 49 USD is really a decent price for this trusty piece.
long lasting mouse = Infinite clicks + Infinite scroll + Evolving Sensor (evolves to even stronger sensor as time passes) + Infinite Battery (for wireless) + Diet Mode (goes on a diet when owner feels its heavy)
Logitech's CEO must be an anime fan or something.
I don't have a steam deck but I really like what valve has been doing with it!
I recently subscribed to the channel. I enjoy hot news while sometimes having dinner or walking home from the office.
I have a hunch for blackwell that the 5080 will be close to the 4090 in performance rather than the 70 tier matching the previous gen flagship like usual.
I have a 4080 and I just am not excited with new Nvidias new cards when they talk about them. The first thought is what are they going to put behind a wall that the 4080 cant seem to do. Its always something hardware locked, when we know the 30 series cards could do DLSS 3.0
I'd buy the Logitech mouse, if it were $0 and they would change it when it breaks, but still, depends on the subscription as well (maybe at $50 .. $75 per year)
Every mouse I've ever bought is a forever mouse. I'm still using my Razer Lachesis from 2008, and you know what it doesn't need? Software updates.
Yeston makes some interesting color/design products
NVIDIA is written in all caps.
NOOOOOO he typed NVIDIA in lowercase!!!!! the world is going to end!!!! 😨
Had they planned out they'd have their own TPUs.
Subscriptions for anything is a GIANT red flag for me. Software updates as a subscription is a big NOOOOO for me! I will never pay for them!
I think the Intel CPU issues could be a bigger issue. I agree that the overlap in markets are very different but the reporting about the issue is literally everywhere, enthusiast or not.
And alot of people may just get the take away as "Intel chips are broken, and Intel are screwing up dealing with the issue." which would impact all segments of the market.
*a lot
"alot" isn't a word
Should I really be surprised that Logitech is going with the subscription route? And what a horrible decision for consumers, just like how BMW tried forcing you to pay them RMR for heated seats that are already in the car. Heaven forbid I miss a payment and my mouse stops working.
Waves Clarity Vx DeReverb could really help the audio on your vacation...
So what happens when the logitech forever mouse wears out or breaks? Are they going to warranty it forever as well?
Can you please cover the "Online Safety Bill" congress just passed which is a wolf in sheep's clothes for anyone who isn't a technocratic ghoul.
Logitech is now so low quality its almost as bad as razer quality. But at least they had the sanity to keep their prices relatively low on most of their models. Churning out a $200 piece of crap with a subscription model should just be illegal
To be honest I just call the ryzen ai series the RYZEN A series like ryzen A3, A5, A7 and A9 much easier to remember
I might consider a "forever mouse" if the concept was a $200 valued mouse that I paid a small monthly fee for (peripheral as a service?) and was able to swap to the latest updated version every couple years and had a forever warranty as long as you're paying the subscription... This concept of paying for software updates on an already premium priced mouse makes no sense. If I pay that much for the mouse, I better keep getting software updates for free for 10 years.
used to love Logitech their speakers had the best price to performance ever, had the z 2300 and 5500 for almost 20 years still runs, same with G11 keyboards and I wore out several of the old mice. Got the new model 906 speakers and it died in less than 2 weeks my trust is now gone entirely.
Intel new cpus, faster and with more corrosion.
What functionality could there be that a software update would give?
All meaninful advancements in compute mice have been in hardware not software. So a optical sensor replacement but that will require them to open up the physical device thus a hardware change and not everyone has the tools necessary to open then close and seal a mouse.
Bummer. I'd say rebuild it. Even if you have to go with custom gaskets and O ring the heads. (Laser cut gaskets). Get a quote on custom crank or rods. Or maybe get a crashed whole car?