At least the 2J I know of. The 2J basically sucks itself to the ground with fans, it creates a ton of downforce pulling itself to the ground. Those flaps on the side help create a vacuum seal. When it competed in Can-Am series in the 70s it outpaced every single car by a couple of seconds, though the fans failed often so it wasn't even that good. Eventually other manufacturers complained to the SCCA and they ended up banning that kind of technology.
Just for anyone curious: Toyota Celica GT-Four: got banned because they got caught cheating with a turbo that was made to look like it's legal but it wasn't. Brabham BT46B: Technically first it got withdrew, then it got banned. It was a second faster than any car,and the fan was dangerous. Chaparral 2E: Got banned for the wing because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Chaparral 2J: Got banned for the fan because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed. Lotus 56: The turbo version was banned because it was very fast. Chevy T-Rex: Banned because...it would have won every race? Superbird: Banned for safety reasons and because it did not look like a stock car. Lotus 88: That, and ground effect cars in general were banned because they were dangerously quick.
@@fearofducks6519 technically the Brabham fan wasn’t dangerous at all. Gordon Murray even said the fans speed was only 55MPH and anything that hit it would be shot out sideways. Andretti complained about it as an excuse to make it banned quickly.
Celica GTFour : Had a secret air intake for the turbo to bypass the air restrictor Brabham "fan car" : had a turbine linked to the "classic" engine to stick the car to the ground with forced ground effect 2E : was the first active wings racecar 2J : same as the brabham, turbine fan to stick the car to the ground Lotus 56 : well, too good for other cars, had to be heavy BoPed Lotus 88 : double chassis, one fixed with the engine, and the other sticking the car to the ground (due to "ground effect") with the speed. Resume : Colin Chapman was a god.
For those wondering why these cars were banned: Toyota GT Four: Hidden elastic washers could bypass the restrictor plate(One of the cleverest "cheating" methods in WRC ). Brabhan BT46B: Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Chaparral 2E: High strut mounted wings were outlawed in all forms of motorsport due to safety. Chaparral 2J : Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part. Lotus 56: Used a turbine engine that were later banned. Chevy "TRex" : Just too fast for NASCAR, as per Hendrick racing the rule books were changed after it qualified inspection specifically to ban this car. Superbird: Concerns by NASCAR that aero cars are becoming too fast and are therefore unsafe, the car was also heavily modified and was considered to be too different from stock for stock car racing. Lotus 88: Twin Chassis design to take advantage of ground effect, twin tubs were considered as moving aerodynamic devices
I think the title is tricking some people but these are cars that have been banned from their racing series not actual Goodwood. At least that’s what I’m guessing
Definitely thought the cars were banned from Goodwood. Then watching all the cars I’m like everyone of these cars got banned at some point... then I went “oh...”
All right so there's an interesting story behind the T-Rex after looking it up. Ray Evernham applied a lot of short track knowledge to that car that was technically inside the rule books. He removed a lot of unsprung weight from components like having hollow axles, titanium hubs and an aluminum driveshaft. He moved the shocks outboard and raised the frame rails to allow for a Venturi effect under the car. It was a full second faster than the entire field throughout the only race it ever ran.
The tricky thing with the BT46B is that it requires a different driving style to get the most out of it - as the fan drive was attached to the crankshaft, you wanted to enter a corner at max revs for the best suction, rather than at lower revs so you can drive yourself out of the corner.
Sounds similar to the Red Bull in F1 when it had the blown diffuser, higher revs meant faster cornering speeds. Vettel got the hang of it but must have been strange to drive.
@@RottenWeeblet No turbos on this car - remember, this car was from '78. Renault had barely started playing with turbos (unreliably) the year before, and many teams would be sticking with the tried-and-true formula of V8, V12 or flat 12 for some years yet. The Brabham BT40B used an Alfa Romeo 3.0 flat 12. But because the fan was driven directly off the engine, the greatest suction was found at redline, so that's the revs at which you _entered_ a corner, instead of dropping the revs so you could accelerate through the corner a bit before having to shift up. It required a rather different driving style to normal F1 cars of the period, but history shows that it was surprisingly effective.
Wrong Celica at the start, the ST185 was not banned. The ST205 was banned from WRC after engineers created a genius bypass of the restrictor on the intake of the turbo, thus making more boost and power.
@@GoodwoodRR then perhaps footage of said final version should have been used. The title says banned cars and the first car featured was one that wasn't banned. Pretty poor job really.
Why wouldn’t it? It’s not the car Jeff blew up after he crossed the line. It was the motor he dropped the clutch to blow going into 1. The only thing special about that car went up in smoke when the checkered flew.
@@Dalegot07 I don't believe he blew the engine it even passed post race inspection but was so dominant that they changed rules specifically to make the t-rex cars setup illegal after that race if I remember the story correctly they even ran the chassis one time after and it didn't do too well so they retired it
The TREX was banned for the simple reason the car used underbody aero tricks to get the car sucked down to the tarmac along with other tricks of the trade like hollow axle tubes and the floorpan was raised to get the chassis closer to the ground the shocks were outboard of the axle. Even the drivetrain components were lightened. Interesting fact is none of the Hendrick Teams couldn't get it to work then they decided to throw a different spring package at it in Charlotte it ended up a second quicker than any other Hendrick chassis during testing. Jeff won the race pocketed the $1,000,000 purse it passed tech and then Bill France made the call to ban the car and rewrote the rules to make sure it wouldn't ever compete again.
@@robertrotz4717 that was Micheal Waltrip and Junior Johnson in the Winston Open. JJ had made a bad fast car, with even a badder motor. Which cost him a fortune. After starting towards the rear of the field and came up during the event. The moment it crossed the line, the engine blew up. But to all Nascars knowledge, it was within regulation. (VERY SHORT VERSION)
They weren't banned from FoS, it's cars that were banned from their respective racing series T-Rex cause and I quote "it's easier to kill Frankenstein's monster than it is to get along with it"
4:40 I love this gesture, "IMMORTAN! IMMORTAN JOE!" And in frenzied tribute he takes off his own steering wheel and holds it high for his god to see. So freaking cool.
Toyota Celica GT-Four: -Banned for illegal turbo restrictor- Not banned. Team was disqualified for using turbo restrictor to cheat in a later GT-Four Brabham BT46: -Banned for fan being a moveable aerodynamic device- Banned for being too good Chaparral 2E: Banned for wing strut failures being unsafe Chaparral 2J Banned for sliding skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices Lotus 56: Banned for using turbine engine Chevrolet Hendrick T-Rex: Banned for being too good Plymouth Superbird: Banned for dangerously high top speeds Lotus 88: Banned for side skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
The Toyota wasn’t banned either, the team (Toyota Team Europe) was banned not the car, and it wasn’t even that model involved in the controversy. The cars continued to compete under Toyota Team Sweden and others, but with legal turbos fitted.
Also your edit for the Brabham is wrong. It was not withdrawn before competition. It won the first and only race it contested and there was no issue with cooling.
00:14 Toyota Celica GT-Four (cheating) 01:25 Brabham BT46B “fan car” (active vacuum to stick car down) 02:10 Chaparral 2E "Active suspension" "2:51 Chaparral 2J "even better active suspension 03:37 Lotus 56 "Turbine power" 04:35 Chevrolet Hendrick “T-Rex” "Everham built the car "to the book" but found a few points (front bumper) that made the car dominate. 06:19 Plymouth Superbird "Banned with other aero cars as speeds were getting too fast.. big motors also axed.. 07:44 Lotus 88 "Active aeros that let the car dominate.. **note to self, if your car kills? just win by a little bit, not 20 minutes ahead..
2J was for active aero and there was then a complete ban of all active aero for can am, meaning Nissan had to redesign their wing. 88 was primarily for trying to use two chassis to try and get the recently banned skirts back in use, but the suspension was partially involved
The Brabham BT46B was never banned. Bernie Ecclestone withdrew it voluntarily to prevent a split inside the nascent Formula One Constructors Association.
Yes it was, or so says wiki : "According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it.[21] However, the Commission Sportive Internationale intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One."
What year was Petty in his Superbird at Goodwood? One of my strongest childhood motor-head memories was seeing that combo racing on ‘ABC’s Wide World of Sports’ - 200mph in 1970!
This video had so much potential! Whilst it is lovely to see these cars there is zero information on any of them really or the reason for their ban?! Even a little text banner at the bottom for each vehicle would have been a great addition
T-Rex wasn't technically "banned" since it was within the NASCAR Winston Cup Series rulebook... they just told Rick Hendrick, Ray Evernham and Jeff Gordon to not bring it back
I saw the Chaparral 2F "2E with a roof basically" in the BAOC 500 sportscar race at Brands Hatch in the 60's.also the Lotus Gas Turbine car in either a GP or the Race of Champions. I seem to remember the 2F did quite well. 2J is the world's fastest Dyson.
Reminds me of when Ferrari attempted to enter touring car races with the 250LM - Maranello bolted a box on the back, thus giving the car the requisite 'boot'! Needless to say, even the FIA thought it was a step too far LOL!
The 56B was entered in both. It was on course for a storm up the field in wet weather at Zandvoort due to the AWD but the driver overcooked it and spun off.
So imagine this setup. A Superbird wing on a 2J wing on a Ford Tyrell 6 wheeler chassis (not featured here, but banned non the less), top it off with some none restricted turbos and a oversized V8. You can finish the rest of the build if you please :)
@@jonbeargenx I'm not that knowledgeable about the banned cars but that setup must be angelic. Just imagine how fast it would be with a modern technology touch added to it 😳
Story of the Plymouth Superbird: Chrysler Corporation had a defense division that built missiles for the US Army. The top brass in the company was wondering why that, despite the best engines in NASCAR, the racers who raced Mopar products kept coming in dead last. Someone in the boardroom pointed out that there were rocket scientists who worked for Chrysler. So the missile engineers were called in, who pointed out the aerodynamic flaws of Chrysler's "sport" coupes. The lead aerodynamicist pointed out some aerodynamic changes that would cut down the aerodynamic drag of the vehicle significant enough to greatly improve the top speed of the vehicle on the new superspeedways, where Chrysler was getting killed by the competition. It also improved the theoretical top speed, to a point where aerodynamic lift would raise the car off the ground, so a spoiler wing would be needed. NASCAR homologation rules required that a certain number of the model be offered for sale to the general public. The weight of the spoiler was too great and the size was too wide to allow the trunk ("boot") to open, so marketing demanded a fix. Thats how the rear wing came about 😉
Superbird / Daytona wasn't banned, simply handicapped out of competitveness by limiting the engine displacement to 305 cu in when everybody else was at 426-427 cu in. Still, one team tried running with the 305 but had engine failures ( trying to get more HP out of less displacement. )
Wrong Celica, it was later ST205, which was banned (or, actually the cheater turbo was banned, ST205 rallied later with legal turbo), not the ST185 presented here.
The Superbird didn’t really get banned, it had a engine displacement restriction of only 305 cubic inch (vs the 426 Hemi). This applied to the other “aero cars” , Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona, Ford Torino Talladega, and the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II. Only one team fielded a aero car for the 1971 Daytona 500 using the 305 power plant, the Mario Rossi owned #22 Dodge Daytona driven by Richard Brooks. The 305 cubic inch engine was built by legendary Mopar engine builder Keith Black. The car qualified 8th and led a handful of laps before getting damaged in an altercation, but it still finished 7th overall. So the car could still be run, but it just had to use a smaller engine. It would have been nice to have some info about each car and why it was banned.
The Chaparral 2J "sucker car" was my favorite as a kid, it was so bizarre and it actually worked. This car created a whole new Chaparral fan club. (see what I did there?)
If there were a racing car whose performance came from its ability to mess with electronic timing systems or being as wide as the track, that probably wouldn’t be allowed in.
@@AzathothsAlarmClock The other F1 drivers basically held a meeting, saying that the 46B was throwing up stones and other débris at the following drivers. It later turned out that it did nothing of the sort, but the other drivers invented a way of having the car banned. Bernie withdrew the car before the inevitable happened...
I suspect because you need to see why it was banned - over 100 mph the body is pushed down by the air, independent of the suspension and creates a seal with the track and hence more downforce. Chapman’s cars were awesome. We hear what Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey have done, and that’s right and proper but we lost Chapman way too early and I fear he’s getting relegated or forgotten.
@@landhopper4296 The most influential designer for about 25 years was Dr Harvey Postlethwaite. The high nose / splitter plate combination came from one of his Tyrrells and is still with us. It will change with the reintroduction of wing cars next year but that idea made flat bottom cars work aerodynamically.
From memory, the only car that was specifically banned from the Goodwood Festival was the " new" lightweight Jaguar E-Type, these were completed a few years ago, by the same Jaguar engineers who built the 1960s original lightweight, and built by Jaguar, in the same factory, 20 were planned originally but only 13 were built, so Jaguar finished building the remaining 7, but his Lordship would not accept them, calling them replicas, if you are the owner of Goodwood, you can do as you see fit.
As a Yank, I was embarrassed that It (literally) had to stink up an otherwise interesting lineup. NASCAR is acceptable when you're an adolescent and watching it on TV whilst flicking through the channels, but it's pretty boring after that point.
You omitted Michael May's winged Porsche 550, banned at Nurburgring in 1956 because the Porsche team was humiliated that it was faster in practice than the factory cars. This was more than a decade before Jim Hall slapped a big wing onto a Chaparral 2.
They were talking about the Celica like it was a group B car, comparing it to the RS200, right? But that was the Group A Celica, which was banned for cheating instead.
i would like to see a new f1 car with all the banned stuff on it, (all the radioactive fuel you want at the rate you want, 6 wheels, that courtain of air under the car that makes it unstable but fast, 6 wheels, a turbine engine, fan propeller, all the wings you want
Toyota Celica GT-Four (banned from WRC for illegal turbo restrictors) Brabham BT46B "fan car" (banned from F1 for its ground effects fan) Chaparral 2J (banned from Can-Am for its suction fan system) Lotus 88 (banned from F1 for its dual-chassis design)
That is not the model of GT-FOUR that was banned. In fact, the car itself was never banned, only the Toyota works team who were caught with an illegal turbo restrictor.
Okay they are not competing as such and are there for fans to see and admire the things in the flesh but they are absolutely not banned from Goodwood because that is where we are seeing them displayed, we don't even know why they were banned from racing originally in the case of most of them.
The T-Rex car is quite literally the most insane nascar car of all time. It was run in the 1998(?) all-star race, and was so ridiculously illegal that nascar essentially told Hendrick Motorsports “never bring this anywhere near a track again”
The commentator wanted to see the Chaparrel 2E move and hear it for the first time and then talks continuously over its run up the hill so we can hear it
Fun fact: The Brabham was never actually banned. Ecclestone was Co-Owner of Brabham and officially retired the car becsuse it didn't make for good sport before they changed the rules (which the csr met at that point
@Werner Moser. Bernie Ecclestone owned the Brabham team, he bought the team to become a team owner, who as such could encourage the other independent English-based constrictors to join together as the Grand Prix owners association, and as a body, influence the commercial side of FIA to give a better share of the television right to the teams rather than the giants like Ferrari and Renault, in order to keep the teams on-side. he abandoned the fan car, and gained financial control of all F1 right, and that made him a multi-billionaire.
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Which car should never have been banned?
Mazda rotary
The Superbird showed that NASCAR was afraid of innovation.
The Brabham and the Toyota were never banned in the first place.
Why was the celiac banned??
*celica
A brief explanation about why they were banned would have been interesting.
ditto on that.
At least the 2J I know of.
The 2J basically sucks itself to the ground with fans, it creates a ton of downforce pulling itself to the ground. Those flaps on the side help create a vacuum seal. When it competed in Can-Am series in the 70s it outpaced every single car by a couple of seconds, though the fans failed often so it wasn't even that good. Eventually other manufacturers complained to the SCCA and they ended up banning that kind of technology.
Just for anyone curious:
Toyota Celica GT-Four: got banned because they got caught cheating with a turbo that was made to look like it's legal but it wasn't.
Brabham BT46B: Technically first it got withdrew, then it got banned. It was a second faster than any car,and the fan was dangerous.
Chaparral 2E: Got banned for the wing because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed.
Chaparral 2J: Got banned for the fan because it was an active aerodynamic part and it wasn't allowed.
Lotus 56: The turbo version was banned because it was very fast.
Chevy T-Rex: Banned because...it would have won every race?
Superbird: Banned for safety reasons and because it did not look like a stock car.
Lotus 88: That, and ground effect cars in general were banned because they were dangerously quick.
@@fearofducks6519 technically the Brabham fan wasn’t dangerous at all. Gordon Murray even said the fans speed was only 55MPH and anything that hit it would be shot out sideways. Andretti complained about it as an excuse to make it banned quickly.
Celica GTFour : Had a secret air intake for the turbo to bypass the air restrictor
Brabham "fan car" : had a turbine linked to the "classic" engine to stick the car to the ground with forced ground effect
2E : was the first active wings racecar
2J : same as the brabham, turbine fan to stick the car to the ground
Lotus 56 : well, too good for other cars, had to be heavy BoPed
Lotus 88 : double chassis, one fixed with the engine, and the other sticking the car to the ground (due to "ground effect") with the speed.
Resume : Colin Chapman was a god.
For those wondering why these cars were banned:
Toyota GT Four: Hidden elastic washers could bypass the restrictor plate(One of the cleverest "cheating" methods in WRC ).
Brabhan BT46B: Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part.
Chaparral 2E: High strut mounted wings were outlawed in all forms of motorsport due to safety.
Chaparral 2J : Used a fan to create down force, considered a moving aerodynamic part.
Lotus 56: Used a turbine engine that were later banned.
Chevy "TRex" : Just too fast for NASCAR, as per Hendrick racing the rule books were changed after it qualified inspection specifically to
ban this car.
Superbird: Concerns by NASCAR that aero cars are becoming too fast and are therefore unsafe, the car was also heavily modified and was considered to be too different from stock for stock car racing.
Lotus 88: Twin Chassis design to take advantage of ground effect, twin tubs were considered as moving aerodynamic devices
Probably the most accurate explanations, yet.
Thanks for doing the video editors job. I appreciate the information
Well said, well explained.
Thank You!
Wonder if the Brabham would be allowed today since the McMurthy Speirling uses moving Aero.
I think the title is tricking some people but these are cars that have been banned from their racing series not actual Goodwood. At least that’s what I’m guessing
Definitely thought the cars were banned from Goodwood. Then watching all the cars I’m like everyone of these cars got banned at some point... then I went “oh...”
Goodwood is made for all historic cars
it's cars that have been banned, doing some stuff at goodwood
That title is tricking me lol
Yep I was thinking: If they're banned, how do they have video of them running at FOS? Then it dawned on me.....
All right so there's an interesting story behind the T-Rex after looking it up. Ray Evernham applied a lot of short track knowledge to that car that was technically inside the rule books. He removed a lot of unsprung weight from components like having hollow axles, titanium hubs and an aluminum driveshaft. He moved the shocks outboard and raised the frame rails to allow for a Venturi effect under the car. It was a full second faster than the entire field throughout the only race it ever ran.
You gotta love the Lotus driver with his flappy ears helmet
Messed up aerodynamics but is very cool lol
No I don’t
The only one that really gave it a bit too
"I AM SPEED. And cute!"
Ground effect bro!
Chaparral 2J was my absolutely nightmare on Gran Turismo 4, just unbeatable.
On GT6 as well, it was just cartoonishingly fast.
And very undrivable too lol
Somehow the AI was glueled to the ground with that thing. It was the "like a wind" nightmare.
I swear its top speed its faster than a fighter jet.
Spent to long messing with that car 😭🤘
Guess I'm not alone in completely misunderstanding the title.
Well yes, they are at Goodwood so that explains that.
For a moment.....
These are cars that got banned from competition driving around at goodwood.
@@dawhiteman1451 why are they been banned?
@@antoninmotte1620 They didn't meet regulations
The tricky thing with the BT46B is that it requires a different driving style to get the most out of it - as the fan drive was attached to the crankshaft, you wanted to enter a corner at max revs for the best suction, rather than at lower revs so you can drive yourself out of the corner.
Sounds similar to the Red Bull in F1 when it had the blown diffuser, higher revs meant faster cornering speeds. Vettel got the hang of it but must have been strange to drive.
The fan wasn't connected for this run in any case.
With the old cars everyone was in the high revs to avoid the massive turbo lagg
@@RottenWeeblet No turbos on this car - remember, this car was from '78. Renault had barely started playing with turbos (unreliably) the year before, and many teams would be sticking with the tried-and-true formula of V8, V12 or flat 12 for some years yet. The Brabham BT40B used an Alfa Romeo 3.0 flat 12. But because the fan was driven directly off the engine, the greatest suction was found at redline, so that's the revs at which you _entered_ a corner, instead of dropping the revs so you could accelerate through the corner a bit before having to shift up. It required a rather different driving style to normal F1 cars of the period, but history shows that it was surprisingly effective.
@@aussiebloke609 ah I see, thank you.
Wrong Celica at the start, the ST185 was not banned. The ST205 was banned from WRC after engineers created a genius bypass of the restrictor on the intake of the turbo, thus making more boost and power.
Hence we mentioned in the description that it was the final version that was banned.
@@GoodwoodRR then why include the 185 in the video at all? Seems a bit weird.
It's dangerous like group b more crashes.
@@GoodwoodRR then perhaps footage of said final version should have been used. The title says banned cars and the first car featured was one that wasn't banned. Pretty poor job really.
@Dariusz Kanak uninformed, get educated.
The Plymouth Superbird is such a beauty
Ugliest car In History
Definitely an acquired taste. Beautiful more for what and who it represents.
@@R34GTRR35 Maybe... Some people have negative opinion of the two cars mentioned in your ID.
It's great to see Jeff Gordon's T-Rex still runs great and still do burnouts!
Lol that rubber it left though.
Why wouldn’t it? It’s not the car Jeff blew up after he crossed the line. It was the motor he dropped the clutch to blow going into 1. The only thing special about that car went up in smoke when the checkered flew.
@@Dalegot07 I don't believe he blew the engine it even passed post race inspection but was so dominant that they changed rules specifically to make the t-rex cars setup illegal after that race if I remember the story correctly they even ran the chassis one time after and it didn't do too well so they retired it
The TREX was banned for the simple reason the car used underbody aero tricks to get the car sucked down to the tarmac along with other tricks of the trade like hollow axle tubes and the floorpan was raised to get the chassis closer to the ground the shocks were outboard of the axle. Even the drivetrain components were lightened. Interesting fact is none of the Hendrick Teams couldn't get it to work then they decided to throw a different spring package at it in Charlotte it ended up a second quicker than any other Hendrick chassis during testing. Jeff won the race pocketed the $1,000,000 purse it passed tech and then Bill France made the call to ban the car and rewrote the rules to make sure it wouldn't ever compete again.
@@robertrotz4717 that was Micheal Waltrip and Junior Johnson in the Winston Open. JJ had made a bad fast car, with even a badder motor. Which cost him a fortune. After starting towards the rear of the field and came up during the event. The moment it crossed the line, the engine blew up. But to all Nascars knowledge, it was within regulation. (VERY SHORT VERSION)
Where's the explanation of why each were banned?
They weren't banned from FoS, it's cars that were banned from their respective racing series
T-Rex cause and I quote "it's easier to kill Frankenstein's monster than it is to get along with it"
@@AzathothsAlarmClock the trex was banned after just 1 race
@@AzathothsAlarmClock After one season, The Superbird and Dodge Daytona were banned for being "too fast" in the 1970 season.
24 Dupont Trex ver was heckin banned XD
4:40 I love this gesture, "IMMORTAN! IMMORTAN JOE!" And in frenzied tribute he takes off his own steering wheel and holds it high for his god to see. So freaking cool.
Toyota Celica GT-Four: -Banned for illegal turbo restrictor- Not banned. Team was disqualified for using turbo restrictor to cheat in a later GT-Four
Brabham BT46: -Banned for fan being a moveable aerodynamic device- Banned for being too good
Chaparral 2E: Banned for wing strut failures being unsafe
Chaparral 2J Banned for sliding skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
Lotus 56: Banned for using turbine engine
Chevrolet Hendrick T-Rex: Banned for being too good
Plymouth Superbird: Banned for dangerously high top speeds
Lotus 88: Banned for side skirts being moveable aerodynamic devices
The Brabham fan car was never banned. It was voluntarily withdrawn. It was not in breach of any regulation and was completely legal.
The Toyota wasn’t banned either, the team (Toyota Team Europe) was banned not the car, and it wasn’t even that model involved in the controversy. The cars continued to compete under Toyota Team Sweden and others, but with legal turbos fitted.
Also your edit for the Brabham is wrong. It was not withdrawn before competition. It won the first and only race it contested and there was no issue with cooling.
It's a sin to hear the Brabham running so slowly. I remember the Alfa V12 engine sounding even better than a Ferrari.
00:14 Toyota Celica GT-Four (cheating)
01:25 Brabham BT46B “fan car” (active vacuum to stick car down)
02:10 Chaparral 2E "Active suspension"
"2:51 Chaparral 2J "even better active suspension
03:37 Lotus 56 "Turbine power"
04:35 Chevrolet Hendrick “T-Rex” "Everham built the car "to the book" but found a few points (front bumper) that made the car dominate.
06:19 Plymouth Superbird "Banned with other aero cars as speeds were getting too fast.. big motors also axed..
07:44 Lotus 88 "Active aeros that let the car dominate.. **note to self, if your car kills? just win by a little bit, not 20 minutes ahead..
2J was for active aero and there was then a complete ban of all active aero for can am, meaning Nissan had to redesign their wing. 88 was primarily for trying to use two chassis to try and get the recently banned skirts back in use, but the suspension was partially involved
The Brabham BT46B was never banned. Bernie Ecclestone withdrew it voluntarily to prevent a split inside the nascent Formula One Constructors Association.
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Yes it was, or so says wiki : "According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it.[21] However, the Commission Sportive Internationale intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One."
As a Mopar guy, I must say I loved the Plymouth. An absolutely gorgeous car.
A Japanese guy had one in my neighborhood. It was huge!
What year was Petty in his Superbird at Goodwood? One of my strongest childhood motor-head memories was seeing that combo racing on ‘ABC’s Wide World of Sports’ - 200mph in 1970!
2015, we even went to help get it fired up for the first time! ruclips.net/video/C9LFgsLQATc/видео.html
The GT-Four in this video was not that GT-Four, which was banned. In the Video, the car is earlier than 1995, the banned car was from 1995
one guy Smokey Yunick could double the list of cars
Tru love that guy
Lmao and maybe junior johnson?
This video had so much potential! Whilst it is lovely to see these cars there is zero information on any of them really or the reason for their ban?! Even a little text banner at the bottom for each vehicle would have been a great addition
T-Rex wasn't technically "banned" since it was within the NASCAR Winston Cup Series rulebook... they just told Rick Hendrick, Ray Evernham and Jeff Gordon to not bring it back
I saw the Chaparral 2F "2E with a roof basically" in the BAOC 500 sportscar race at Brands Hatch in the 60's.also the Lotus Gas Turbine car in either a GP or the Race of Champions.
I seem to remember the 2F did quite well.
2J is the world's fastest Dyson.
Reminds me of when Ferrari attempted to enter touring car races with the 250LM - Maranello bolted a box on the back, thus giving the car the requisite 'boot'! Needless to say, even the FIA thought it was a step too far LOL!
The 56B was entered in both. It was on course for a storm up the field in wet weather at Zandvoort due to the AWD but the driver overcooked it and spun off.
Somebody needs to make a Frankenstein of all the banned cars and then the ultimate being is born 😂
So imagine this setup. A Superbird wing on a 2J wing on a Ford Tyrell 6 wheeler chassis (not featured here, but banned non the less), top it off with some none restricted turbos and a oversized V8. You can finish the rest of the build if you please :)
@@jonbeargenx I'm not that knowledgeable about the banned cars but that setup must be angelic. Just imagine how fast it would be with a modern technology touch added to it 😳
@@dancinglizard3080 well probably have to touch things up for aerodynamic purposes
@@jonbeargenx With the Celica's ultra-rare gearbox
Story of the Plymouth Superbird: Chrysler Corporation had a defense division that built missiles for the US Army. The top brass in the company was wondering why that, despite the best engines in NASCAR, the racers who raced Mopar products kept coming in dead last. Someone in the boardroom pointed out that there were rocket scientists who worked for Chrysler. So the missile engineers were called in, who pointed out the aerodynamic flaws of Chrysler's "sport" coupes. The lead aerodynamicist pointed out some aerodynamic changes that would cut down the aerodynamic drag of the vehicle significant enough to greatly improve the top speed of the vehicle on the new superspeedways, where Chrysler was getting killed by the competition. It also improved the theoretical top speed, to a point where aerodynamic lift would raise the car off the ground, so a spoiler wing would be needed. NASCAR homologation rules required that a certain number of the model be offered for sale to the general public. The weight of the spoiler was too great and the size was too wide to allow the trunk ("boot") to open, so marketing demanded a fix. Thats how the rear wing came about 😉
Best explanation! Couldnt have said it better myself. 👌
See, this is why COoL is "cool"....
Love the subtitles, everytime a car passes by, it says "music" 😁
E&E (engine & exhaust) genre.
I saw both Chaparels run in the Can Am series.
Superbird / Daytona wasn't banned, simply handicapped out of competitveness by limiting the engine displacement to 305 cu in when everybody else was at 426-427 cu in. Still, one team tried running with the 305 but had engine failures ( trying to get more HP out of less displacement. )
The lotus 88 was banned cuz that driver had special helmet which produces more downforce. The slap-on ears.
Its so cool to hear and see these bits of history
Wrong Celica, it was later ST205, which was banned (or, actually the cheater turbo was banned, ST205 rallied later with legal turbo), not the ST185 presented here.
Yup, acknowledged in the description, we thought it better to show the car on a rally stage, and the ST205 has only been on the hill.
2:17 "I'm just so excited to hear what it sounds like"
Don't shut up even for a second and don't let anyone hear what it sounds like
Goodwood is an exhibition series for old cars. These cars were banned in their respective series. The ENTIRE video is clips form Goodwood.
Remember the old saying? If you can't beat 'em ban 'em!
Percentage of comments stating the BT46B wasn’t banned but withdrawn by Ecclestone: 68% of total comments.
Wrong toyota. ST 205 was banned for illegal turbo bypass system. Not ST 185. Anyway good stuff despite this.
Lotus 88 what an absolute monster of analogue racing car.
The Superbird didn’t really get banned, it had a engine displacement restriction of only 305 cubic inch (vs the 426 Hemi). This applied to the other “aero cars” , Dodge Charger 500, Dodge Charger Daytona, Ford Torino Talladega, and the Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II. Only one team fielded a aero car for the 1971 Daytona 500 using the 305 power plant, the Mario Rossi owned #22 Dodge Daytona driven by Richard Brooks. The 305 cubic inch engine was built by legendary Mopar engine builder Keith Black. The car qualified 8th and led a handful of laps before getting damaged in an altercation, but it still finished 7th overall. So the car could still be run, but it just had to use a smaller engine.
It would have been nice to have some info about each car and why it was banned.
The Chaparral 2J "sucker car" was my favorite as a kid, it was so bizarre and it actually worked. This car created a whole new Chaparral fan club. (see what I did there?)
That Chaparel engine sound is divine.
How awesome would it be to be banned from GWFoS. 🤣🤣🤣
There not
They were banned for racing in their respective championships/series’ mate, not actually banned by Goodwood.
It really wouldn't, thankfully none of these cars are banned from FOS.
@@GoodwoodRR what will it take to ban a certain car? lol genuinely curious
If there were a racing car whose performance came from its ability to mess with electronic timing systems or being as wide as the track, that probably wouldn’t be allowed in.
Crazy how some cars came out of museums and get semi rebuild to run again!
The BT46B wasn’t banned, it was withdrawn by Ecclestone
@@AzathothsAlarmClock The other F1 drivers basically held a meeting, saying that the 46B was throwing up stones and other débris at the following drivers. It later turned out that it did nothing of the sort, but the other drivers invented a way of having the car banned. Bernie withdrew the car before the inevitable happened...
every time, i watch Goodwood FOS i feel goosebump🥺🥺
Nobody goes full tilt on the cars then there is the Lotus 88.
I suspect because you need to see why it was banned - over 100 mph the body is pushed down by the air, independent of the suspension and creates a seal with the track and hence more downforce. Chapman’s cars were awesome. We hear what Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey have done, and that’s right and proper but we lost Chapman way too early and I fear he’s getting relegated or forgotten.
@@landhopper4296 The most influential designer for about 25 years was Dr Harvey Postlethwaite. The high nose / splitter plate combination came from one of his Tyrrells and is still with us. It will change with the reintroduction of wing cars next year but that idea made flat bottom cars work aerodynamically.
From memory, the only car that was specifically banned from the Goodwood Festival was the " new" lightweight Jaguar E-Type, these were completed a few years ago, by the same Jaguar engineers who built the 1960s original lightweight, and built by Jaguar, in the same factory, 20 were planned originally but only 13 were built, so Jaguar finished building the remaining 7, but his Lordship would not accept them, calling them replicas, if you are the owner of Goodwood, you can do as you see fit.
They weren't banned from Goodwood; they were banned from competition and are being seen AT Goodwood.
Nice to see the Lotus 88 and these other legendary cars in action UwU👌
Allegedly banned car video, but nothing is said why they were banned.,.. great video .. very informative...lmao
Gotta love a NASCAR doing a standing burnout and generally being a Yank for the British dog and pony crowd
@@King-er7ef Clown; give it a break about your specialized non-racing burnout cars.
As a Yank, I was embarrassed that It (literally) had to stink up an otherwise interesting lineup. NASCAR is acceptable when you're an adolescent and watching it on TV whilst flicking through the channels, but it's pretty boring after that point.
The Chaparral 2J haunts me every time I see it on any Gran Turismo game
You gotta admit......its such a awsome car :))
The Brabham wasn't banned. That's a common misconception. It was voluntarily withdrawn from the championship but didn't breach any regulations.
of course it didnt, it was banned because it was too unfair
The concept behind it was banned, afterwards.
I was about to post the same thing! Bernie had bigger plans. ..
You omitted Michael May's winged Porsche 550, banned at Nurburgring in 1956 because the Porsche team was humiliated that it was faster in practice than the factory cars. This was more than a decade before Jim Hall slapped a big wing onto a Chaparral 2.
Thanks for the descriptions
No problem.
See class, now "that's" humor
The Brabham BT46B wasn't banned , Bernie withdrew it.
The Brabham was the fastest vacuum cleaner ever built.
What would be cool to have is a banned cars category with the rule breaking details as to why they were banned in the first place.
Its not Banned cars in the Goodwood
Its Banned cars in their class Driving at Goodwood for those who didnt understand the title
some context as to why the individual cars were banned would make this more interesting for the casual. otherwise it's just a random list of cars.
I thought it was banned from Goodwood ferstival 🤣🤣
5:30 There brushing the rubbah of the trach
Project Cars 2 has the turbine Lotus 56 and it’s a dream to drive; insanely fun and fast.
That 88 looks amazing! The helmet of the pilot didnt😂😁
They were talking about the Celica like it was a group B car, comparing it to the RS200, right? But that was the Group A Celica, which was banned for cheating instead.
Love the Chaparral 2E and the Superbird! I guess I just like tall wings.
6:19 DINOCO
Actually is Sunoco the original
@@albert9784 Yeah I know that it just always gives me nostalgia from watching it as a kid
TECHNICALLY (🤓) the BT46B wasn't banned, Ecclestone pulled it fearing his position at FOCA was in danger. The ban of fan cars came a bit later
I was hoping for explanations for why each one was banned. Or perhaps a description of the unfair advantage they had. Thumbs down for this one :(
The BT46B was never banned. It was withdrawn for the remainder of the championship by Brabham.
Am I one of few people that LOVE the Chaparral 2J and just learned about the insane fan noise?
That Lotus 56 looks awesome.
Just so we're clear the BT46B fan car was never technically banned. It was withdrawn before it could be banned
Geez that Lotus is a weapon!
Lotus 88 driver really gave it the beans!
Yea 8 cars and 1 person! Richard Hamilton and his remic! I’m sure they don’t want this duo back!
i would like to see a new f1 car with all the banned stuff on it, (all the radioactive fuel you want at the rate you want, 6 wheels, that courtain of air under the car that makes it unstable but fast, 6 wheels, a turbine engine, fan propeller, all the wings you want
At the chaparral, I was like, why is there a solar panel on the top of the car, and why is this banned😂
Jim Hall didn’t come up with “left field”, ideas. He was an engineer and hired jet fighter engineers.
You should give reasons, it would be more interesting ...
2:15 "I've always wanted to hear this thing" that's why hr won't stop talking for 1 second and ruin it for everybody watching online. Awesome
Toyota Celica GT-Four (banned from WRC for illegal turbo restrictors)
Brabham BT46B "fan car" (banned from F1 for its ground effects fan)
Chaparral 2J (banned from Can-Am for its suction fan system)
Lotus 88 (banned from F1 for its dual-chassis design)
lol... The ears on the helmet of the person driving the Lotus 88.
Y'all should make those eight cars go against each other in a special class
This is a celebration of speed and vehicles,ban nothing and welcome all innovations!!!👍👍👍
the RS200 gearbox isn't hard to find, there are aftermarket companies that will happily make you a new one, for quite a few quid.
That is not the model of GT-FOUR that was banned. In fact, the car itself was never banned, only the Toyota works team who were caught with an illegal turbo restrictor.
I can’t help but notice that five of them raced in the US
I love Chaparral. Not their cars, but the very weird things they make that somewhat look like a car..
The Brabham fan car sound amazing
This is basically a video showcasing different breakthroughs in motorsports throughout the years
Okay they are not competing as such and are there for fans to see and admire the things in the flesh but they are absolutely not banned from Goodwood because that is where we are seeing them displayed, we don't even know why they were banned from racing originally in the case of most of them.
Old guys: there’s no replacement parts!
Young kids that don’t know anything: aftermarket!
Happy to see the footage...but I have no idea what the title of the video has to do with it. Banned from their racing series I'm guessing.
yeah exactly that, its cars that were banned in their respective racing series
I remember walking past the dealerships going to school in Southern California. Looking at the super birds in the showroom for less than $10,000
The T-Rex car is quite literally the most insane nascar car of all time. It was run in the 1998(?) all-star race, and was so ridiculously illegal that nascar essentially told Hendrick Motorsports “never bring this anywhere near a track again”
1997
@@JackBandicootsBunker ah thank you
The commentator wanted to see the Chaparrel 2E move and hear it for the first time and then talks continuously over its run up the hill so we can hear it
Fun fact: The Brabham was never actually banned. Ecclestone was Co-Owner of Brabham and officially retired the car becsuse it didn't make for good sport before they changed the rules (which the csr met at that point
@Werner Moser. Bernie Ecclestone owned the Brabham team, he bought the team to become a team owner, who as such could encourage the other independent English-based constrictors to join together as the Grand Prix owners association, and as a body, influence the commercial side of FIA to give a better share of the television right to the teams rather than the giants like Ferrari and Renault, in order to keep the teams on-side. he abandoned the fan car, and gained financial control of all F1 right, and that made him a multi-billionaire.
would have been better to say why each one got banned. this could have very easily just been a list of names on a facebook post with some photos