@@Sekaar well when rich lambert and his fat ass wife mock the pvpers. He doesn’t have to do anything. Heavy attack is a simple mechanic to gain resources back, that anyone who plays the game at all should know.
It was so beautiful even sypherpk with his 10 millions followers said the game is not what it was and is not where is should be when it comes down to pvp and fully admitted that they only care about new players new content new RP events
I realized in the first bg Brian played why pvp is so messed up. This guy is clueless. Running a build that he nerfed into the ground over a year ago. This man is clueless. Absolutely clueless.
You can tell within the first 10 seconds that he plays like a newborn 100 CP player fresh out of the combat tutorial. The zoomed-in camera, running headfirst into the entire enemy group with zero situational awareness, holding block until he runs out of stamina, dying in two seconds, trying to jab but cancelling it with block- even his bar setup and build choice are straight memes.
yeah, this makes me angry tbh - I was ready to play ESO forever but because the leads know nothing about the mechanics its literally impossible, because the changes they make every patch make no sense, and because of that the game becomes less fun till the point of burnout.
Would you be interested in some additional information about the event? Had to watch the whole video too to make sure I wasn’t roasted for also participating 😂
Are you making a video as well? I’d like to hear your take, because this entire stream was just really depressing to me as far as the future of this game goes. At least this game mode anyway
@ maybe! I have a lot of other videos in the pipeline but I do want discuss the event. As they plan to do more and find ways to encourage more players to get into PvP - and I don’t think a lot of people know that. I love ESOs pvp so that’s why I jumped at taking a day off work to stream it as well
I was just thinking the same thing, didnt even know about some live streams they were doing but glad I found out it hasn't improved any and would just be a waste of money to resub and give it another months try.
I've been playing ESO for years....and over the years, I've seen a ton of cringe shit. But nothing, absolutely NOTHING has made me cringe harder than seeing the lead combat and PvP dev play this way, not know what abilities are, and was mostly clueless about how to play this game. It's no wonder....all answers were given, and they are all bad. This showcase was a massive mistake.
on the tanking stream they had a content creator teaching them how to tank (who didn't really know how to tank himself) and the community manager barely knew the controls lol. I said that I'd love to see the devs play the game when u44 pts patch notes came out and now that I'm seeing this, it makes a lot more sense why some decisions are taken
Watched the stream long enough to get the pet drop. Constantly trying to grab the relic and getting interrupted was more than I could handle. Running a Templar without an execute? How does a developer not have access to the most op meta builds? At least we have a they/them companion! 😝
What bugged me the most is I got booted from chat for asking them genuine questions about the thoughts behind the latest update 😅 genuinely feel like leaving eso because of the devs which is sad as it has the potential to be such a great game again
This could still be the best pvp mmo but the devs have run it into the ground. Its nearly 2025 and i still cant find anything half as fun as 2016-2017 cyrodiil
This footage is crazy!! I suck at PvP and even i feel like i can point out mistakes. This really explains everything, and ZOS' take on PvP to put someone with this level of understanding of the system they are in charge of, in charge of such a place.
didnt you see me spamming in chat box telling wheeler to heavy attack to get stam back ..lol And Gilliam was going 0-8 on pains team! He is the reason why nb always gets buffed! AS well imo they should have kept class reps they know about the game!
weird how they used to have a program where players who understood the classes they played and were intelligent enough to understand balance was a peak time of pvp.
If that's the case, ESO will go the same way Star trek Online went. The devs don't understand the game they themselves are managing, and in the end, they are just there for the money, milking the players.
@TheParallelSound IT is possible to make a good game. There are only TWO MMOs to retain their player bases over multiple years. ESO is not one of them. If you look at a graph of player numbers over the years and compare that to the majority of other games, the numbers show the same decline. Games like Elden Ring, Black Myth Wkong, show us good games can be made and successful without milking your players. If they can do it, ZOS can do it. They CHOOSE not to.
I'm certainly not advocating for being toxic. However, at a certain point of neglect, you somewhat have to reasonably expect justified degree of toxicity from those you are neglecting Again, i'm not saying anyone's in the right for saying foul comments in the chat, but i'm also not going to sit here and say that the developers neglecting the player base and disrespecting them at every possible, don't deserve some degree of recourse for their actions. And obviously, there's no penalty for being bad at their jobs. So, the only real legitimate consequence is negative and sometimes toxic outlash from their neglected community
What left me kind of wondering as a new player was the whole set up for this event. I expected a bigger production value. I didnt think it would be some guys getting in a discord, talking about pets and housing to fill the akward silence while the BG queing system is failing. It felt so uninspiring, I dont know if I even want to start trying PVP in this game.
The community carries PvP in ESO. Theres been little to no support from the devs for almost a decade. Why the hell was there even a BG’s update??? Nobody played them then and hardly anybody plays them now. The evidence is the lack of finding players and those that queued have their time wasted and have to restart a queue. Meanwhile, Cyrodiil is POPULATION LOCKED between all 3 alliances WEEKLY!!!!! Cyrodiil will always be the best way to play ESO PvP. Until the acknowledge that and make improvements ZOS will continue to fail.
Sypher was a foolish choice. He hasn't played in years and no one cares about him at all. Wheeler was pathetic. PATHETIC. You are completely correct, he has no idea how ESO combat even functions. None at all. All is clear now. I laughed because I got my messages deleted left and right when calling anything out.
100% agree man, great vid. I think we just vote with our money and show them the pvpers do make up a decent size of the player base. Coming from Old School RuneScape where the devs listen to every single word the player base says to then see how Zos conducts themselves is wild.
I remember back when viper was upgraded when the crag trials were brought up to vr16, I got that second viper from the first boss in hell ra, I took that, put it on my nb and brought it into cyro, I incapped someone for 14k and had a 16k viper proc on them. Seeing this gameplay makes me wonder how close the game is to that again.
you are so crazy! When you said Wheeler didnt know to heavy attack to get stam back I almost choked to death on a cough drop laughing! YOU ALMOST KILT ME!
I didn't want to say it either but what was he doing with jabs on that build? He really did look completely clueless out there. I mean, like he only understands PvP in concept, not in practice. Oh, and I wanted to ask so badly "Where is your sustain bro????"
I canceled my sub 2months ago me and about 10 of my guild mates that have been playing since console launch as soon as they said the pvp update was 8v8 bg's I said nope fuck this I'm going to new world again
I sort of get your anger. As a game dev I don't think three weeks is gonna be enough to fix bugs, but I get why you'd be angry on how inept the people working on PvP have been throughout ESO's history. There must have been a lot of ambition to it at the start that died out or never truly flourished for some reason or another. Having game development as my passion I've learned to be graceful about the bugs and small details that I come across in games myself and that keeps my spirit alive for now. :3 I miss seeing you play PvP in ESO though, you're one of the few that inspired me to actually enjoy it!
TBF PvP is kind of a joke in ESO. Guilds that run on every faction and decide who's turn it is to win.....players cross faction deals to up their AP while using cross faction alliances to make sure ONLY those who are approved of by them are allowed to rise up in the ranks and score. Gear Sets are all over the place and descriptions of what that gear does is vague at best. One thing to do is ANY gear achieved outside of PvP Zones become useless in PvP Zones. There is just too much out there in ESO. Casuals and Noobs don't have much of a chance unless someone that knows what's what tells them. But youtubers and those with the OP Meta Builds aren't gonna share whats going on.
I think the worst thing about the recent PvP event will be conclusion and explanation ZOS comes up with - "Participation was low due to a lack of interest in PvP, not because of poor balance or bad rewards that don’t justify the effort required".
Played from beta to right before elswyr. Just came back. Having a blast. Felt weird coming back and wrecking in bgs they still felt familiar enough. 8v8 hasnt been bad imo. The bug was annoying for waiting and the balancing for matches needs tweaks maybe but felt solid.
I could not comment on the Dev's PVP performance as I don't do PVP, other than Whitestrakes events where I generally do ok, until I bump into an real PVP'er, then I am dead, oh, and the odd foray into imperial city to complete an daily endeavour. So yep, I have to take your word on it, and I do, that these people have little clue about PVP. It is more than believable, since it has been so many years since PvP has been shown any love with updates. perhaps this debacle is an good thing; ZOS are now going to focus and give some love to the PVP world.
I don't care about any of this directly but what resonates here is that there are many examples of situations where it becomes clear the game developers do not play the games they produce as hobbyists themselves, and as a result they overlooked obvious, simple, but garish flaws.
The update was for once well concieved as a concept imo, but i will agree the implementation was poorly handled and even worsened the current problems plaguing BGs Most would prolly disagree, but i do believe that one of the best ways to bring BGs to the role it is meant to play in the game would be to standardize gear stats in matches. this way, more players can actually play with each other with the difference between newer and veteran players becoming smaller, creating better match timing and solidifying BGs as the more casual and fun way to pvp. once theyve settled their BG playlists, they could add competitive style game modes featuring newer or even older maps while making good use of any new mechanics they have made. I can't even begin to imagine how much work they actually put into stuff like this when it just sort of drops out of the blue.
I love how in the footage you used alone, you can see him constantly block cancel jabs lmao. Like dude, wtf is the point of using that ability if you never let off the full 0.8s channel time. This was eye opening. He tries to grab the obj while surrounded by 5 enemies as if he won't get instantly interupted too. He is the type of person you see get deleted in 1vX videos, constantly trying to res their team mate even though they're completely surrounded.
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I called this sinking ship of an update out on Xbox with a few guilds and they told me I was wrong and that they loved it. Now they’re quiet as a mouse pissing on cotton. 🤷🏾♂️🤡
Im one of the players who only plays ESO to pvp, and if you see me in pve its because im farming sets for pvp, ESO was always my go to for some fun pvp but its really been testing me lately, so many issues with new bg's, cant play cyro as a solo because most of the time its me running around on a mount looking for a fight, getting into a fun fight only to have 13 players come out of nowhere and mass ult me, even if all that wasnt an issue i think the pvp is just stale after playing it for years. Zos is just lucky i dont know what other game to play.
I’ve been playing ESO since day 1 and can tell you with 100 percent certainty that the devs are incredibly incompetent. They don’t care for PvP, they do have a master piece of a game if it gets polished correctly but unfortunately that’s never going to happen lmao. ESO was the best game I’ve ever played during patch 1.6 and has progressively gotten worse since up until they FINALLY started looking at improving the game specifically with the lag. Unfortunately I don’t see a future with this game in terms of its own lifecycle, but I still enjoy it here and there personally because despite the devs incompetence the unique combat system this game has is one of my favorites. Tell React Faster I said hi, we use to duel on Xbox he is definitely a good player
That was embarassing. Had a 9 month break from eso, so it doesnt feel like a grind atm. Its the only MMO i have ever played, ill never commit to that grind again. I just want them to fix the only online game i play and clearly they have no clue and hate the fanbase because their knowledge makes devs all realise they are underqualified and out of their depth.
We both played wayyyy back in Haderus on Xbox NA with Invictum people; I can't tell you how many of those old heads were still generally playing somewhat regularly, and NOW everyone is fleeing. Cyro has been in a bad place for a long time, but having our main location of play in such a bad state is killer. There just is nothing there for anyone. Ball groups, which I play in a lot, run the map. Which, generally they should, but it's been incentivized to play like that. A single ball group can tank a zerg. 30-40 people wailing on 12 people; they demand attention. But at the same time, I'll play solo and anyone I come across that isn't in a 8+ man group is a 45k health block tank. It's just an embarrassing state for what was billed as an integral part of the game. That the LEAD DESIGNER cannot PvP is not surprising at all. It's just such a mood killer to log on and get ran over by zergs, walk away from combat against perma-block tanks, and just generally be locked into the ball group/zerg or bust mindset. It sucks. It just fuckin sucks.
This is so embarrassing for him.. and explains a lot. I did quit ESO couple years back, only logged in to check things out after new chapters.. because the game was just going down and down to worse and worse for the last many years. Like so amateur Dev job in so many areas of the game it's almost unbelievable. Dead game. :/
Looking at this and listening to what your saying makes it pretty obvious their target audience are casuals who grew up with Elder Scrolls and like to play very low-effort with their friends on weekends and enjoy the RP and lore. The fact that theres even pvp modes is more and more unclear to me why they even bother since they dont seem to understand or fundamentally give a shit about that part of hte game.
ESO pvp isn’t like a fps or like a fighting game where you can only go as far as your genetics, there’s a 1 second gcd and in my experience you can become a good pvper with average genetics, so a lead combat designer should be good at pvp
Stream was atrocious, when I saw Brian Wheeler play the first match, I instantly thought, now I know why pvp is Dead 😢😢 they literally have an idiot in charge. What's even more fucked up is there have been multiple people apply for positions, one being a very well known ESO streamer and OG player..
i'm sitting here watching this gameplay and - mind you, i virtually never play pvp in this game - even I am asking myself what the hell his game plan is in this match
Please tell me why sypher PK is even in this stream, not try to rag on him at all. I played ESO with that man on Xbox back in the day. But it has been like 5 years since this man has played this game. Let alone streamed it. Fortnite came out and he left with it to do better. For him self. I really want to know what they paid him to play again.
me and you dont see eye to eye much but im with you here.........im just going to watch this dumpster fire finally fizzle out here. i have my popcorn bucket on standby. "U45 Xynode takes over for Brian as lead pvp combat designer" .....lmfao
The sad reality is ZoS has the data. In reality only about ~ 2-5% of players really pvp. That 2-5% definitely have the loudest voice and most stream/do content and play the game religiously. They’re definitely not going to bend over backwards to help sub 5% of their player base. Granted the pvp in this game seems like a massive missed opportunity for them, especially for future titles. But I think they’re okay rolling in their millions $$ profit from people who do housing and farm flowers/fish lol
At this point, I would endorse him with open arms if he changes the battlegrounds back to how it was before and with 3 teams (or at least THE OPTION to do 3 team bg lol. Gg). If he were to take this action, it would not only show his good character, but he would finally earn my respect. It takes a real man to own up to the less favorable outcomes, especially with an audience. Unfortunately it seems to be a rare thing to find in the industry (probably because of the employer tbh). Don’t get me wrong, I’m not even trying to be sarcastic or a jerk here either. I’m being genuine about this. With that being said, ZOS doesn’t at all seem to be the most genuine, logical, reasonable, nor responsible entity in existence. I honestly wonder how that guy actually feels about all this. Either he doesn’t care or he’s living a nightmare right now. If he’s down bad rn, then I actually do feel bad for him. Your analogy with the Inglorious clip was awesome. I agree with that 100%.
is anyone surprised? are you actually? We all know this is the case. But i guess its one thing to know it, and another to see it. I have almost never seen anyone from zos actually play this game in a sensible way, except for rich and gliliam obv. Otherwise, any live streams where zos plays eso look like people who have been playing the game for a week. But its always been obvious that the people balancing the game and making choices dont actually play much, dont go into cyrodiil, and especially dont pvp. Eso is just so damn depressing these days. No matter what game im playing i always miss eso, but its just so bad rn. I would love for things to get better so i can sweat eso again. But its just not likely. Otherwise i just hop on from time to time. When you've spent 20k+ hours in a game it doesnt really matter how long you take off. You can always come back and play like you never left. I actually tried the new bgs last night for the first time. Pretty mid tbh. Lots of healing, some bombers, and everyone else isnt doing much. The bg update should have come in a chapter, not a "pvp update". Its just lame. And the balance issue seems like it will never be fixed, especially with people like brian at the helm. The zenimax of today, and of the last few years, seriously lacks the passion, innovativeness, and willingness to take risks, that the old zenimax of 2014-2018 had. And it really shows, and its really detrimental to this game. They also dont care about our opinions, and have no idea how to fix things. So ya, the future looks bleak.
@@ESO_PRIME Ya im sure it will in 2037. the sad thing for me is ive put a fk ton of time in almost every mmo out there and nothing comes close to how i feel about eso pvp. closest thing i ever had was archeage before i even played eso, and that game is gone. Maybe ashes will do it. so far in the alpha i feel like it has potential, but still doesnt come close to eso for me. either way, hope it doesnt take 10 more years.
@@Eso_lags i totally feel yah! I love ESO too but Cyrodil needs something new. 20k hours myself and 19k of that is probably Cyrodil pvp!! Imperial city is alright but I'm hoping for something more. AOC seems too far away... I'm trying New World atm, it's ok so far but haven't dived into pvp yet.
Kind of makes sense … balance changes for the last while seem like a book report done last minute by a kid who didn’t read the book. Guess this guy who works at zos is just trading his time for money and doesn’t give a crap.
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Brian Wheeler should be on his knees thanking every player who still wants to pvp in ESO.
man is getting free paychecks for doing nothing
Based on the stream, on his knees seems to be a position he’s the most comfortable in 😂😂😂😂.
That wouldn't take long.
Lmao says a lot when the lead combat designer doesn’t know what meta is
@@Sekaar well when rich lambert and his fat ass wife mock the pvpers. He doesn’t have to do anything. Heavy attack is a simple mechanic to gain resources back, that anyone who plays the game at all should know.
It was so beautiful even sypherpk with his 10 millions followers said the game is not what it was and is not where is should be when it comes down to pvp and fully admitted that they only care about new players new content new RP events
good for him for milking zos out of more money though, I respect it
I got booted out the chat for asking how much they paid him 😂
@Sekaar lol fr fr
@@Gr1m420x i got booted as well for asking questions
What I loved the most is to see the streamers blank stares to their screens.. no words needed.
🤣🤣
That's why I couldn't watch the stream, it was so awkward.
I realized in the first bg Brian played why pvp is so messed up. This guy is clueless. Running a build that he nerfed into the ground over a year ago. This man is clueless. Absolutely clueless.
man's been getting free paychecks for years for doing something he's clueless at. Gotta respect it in a fucked up way
He's really there to do PvE. It's just now that the veneer has been peeled away...
@@samuraichicken2315he has made every class the exact same in pve apart from the arcanist
@@Sekaar🤣🤣👌
You can tell within the first 10 seconds that he plays like a newborn 100 CP player fresh out of the combat tutorial. The zoomed-in camera, running headfirst into the entire enemy group with zero situational awareness, holding block until he runs out of stamina, dying in two seconds, trying to jab but cancelling it with block- even his bar setup and build choice are straight memes.
yeah, this makes me angry tbh - I was ready to play ESO forever but because the leads know nothing about the mechanics its literally impossible, because the changes they make every patch make no sense, and because of that the game becomes less fun till the point of burnout.
it's a problem at the very top of the pyramid and just bleeds into the rest of the game.
Vibe
I had a burnout and still struggling to go back
It’s disgusting that this guy still has a job. He shoulda been walked out midstream. And the censorship was disgusting.
Fuck Rich Lambert! He got me banned on the eso subreddit. Called his ass out he didn’t like that.
Next update: Heavy attacks will no longer return resources.
🤣🤣
i have a feeling zos will nerf bash interrupts and make capturing relics grant the player invulnerability.
I want them to speed up heavy attacks a bit...
Would you be interested in some additional information about the event? Had to watch the whole video too to make sure I wasn’t roasted for also participating 😂
Are you making a video as well? I’d like to hear your take, because this entire stream was just really depressing to me as far as the future of this game goes. At least this game mode anyway
@ maybe! I have a lot of other videos in the pipeline but I do want discuss the event. As they plan to do more and find ways to encourage more players to get into PvP - and I don’t think a lot of people know that. I love ESOs pvp so that’s why I jumped at taking a day off work to stream it as well
He was playing a build xynode made for him. I'm dead serious too!
Mara's balm hist sap 😂
I'd like to say I'm shocked but honestly it makes sense.
this is extremely funny but i wish there was source for this xD
Honestly that makes a lot of sense 😂
Say wallah
I would love to see Xynode explain how the devs play the game after watching that stream.
Every time I think about giving the game another shot I see something like this and decide I’m better off with the memories lol
I was just thinking the same thing, didnt even know about some live streams they were doing but glad I found out it hasn't improved any and would just be a waste of money to resub and give it another months try.
Facts
You missed the best part! saenyra DC’d in the stream and then got a 30 min penalty timer so she had to switch toons 🤣
She was the only competetent person on that stream
@ I 1 million percent agree if it wasn’t for her heals Brian would have been on the floor even longer than he was
@ tbh I’d have left him down
🤣🤣🤣
I've been playing ESO for years....and over the years, I've seen a ton of cringe shit.
But nothing, absolutely NOTHING has made me cringe harder than seeing the lead combat and PvP dev play this way, not know what abilities are, and was mostly clueless about how to play this game.
It's no wonder....all answers were given, and they are all bad. This showcase was a massive mistake.
it definately was NOT an mistake... first real Zo$ we have seen since wrobel and no wonder what a shit show the game has turned into
satisfying t-bag on 6:24
BANNED!
That's a hero
I scrolled to see if someone else was gonna put up. Hail Sithis!
"based on recent internal testing we will be doing minor balance changes" (launches thermo nerf warhead at completely wrong targets)
on the tanking stream they had a content creator teaching them how to tank (who didn't really know how to tank himself) and the community manager barely knew the controls lol. I said that I'd love to see the devs play the game when u44 pts patch notes came out and now that I'm seeing this, it makes a lot more sense why some decisions are taken
Well done video - sums it up exactly. I couldn't watch, it was so painful. Hopefully ZOS watches and gets the point.
they will not though...
Watched the stream long enough to get the pet drop. Constantly trying to grab the relic and getting interrupted was more than I could handle. Running a Templar without an execute? How does a developer not have access to the most op meta builds? At least we have a they/them companion! 😝
reason why i quit the game they just dont know what they are doing and they are just sucking the life out of it
valid
The stream was unbelievable.
100% agree! Been saying since 2018 dark convergence dropped, FIRE WHEELER!
What bugged me the most is I got booted from chat for asking them genuine questions about the thoughts behind the latest update 😅 genuinely feel like leaving eso because of the devs which is sad as it has the potential to be such a great game again
This could still be the best pvp mmo but the devs have run it into the ground.
Its nearly 2025 and i still cant find anything half as fun as 2016-2017 cyrodiil
100000000% facts
I'm a pve crab with a little pvp experience and I play better than a combat lead.
This footage is crazy!! I suck at PvP and even i feel like i can point out mistakes. This really explains everything, and ZOS' take on PvP to put someone with this level of understanding of the system they are in charge of, in charge of such a place.
didnt you see me spamming in chat box telling wheeler to heavy attack to get stam back ..lol And Gilliam was going 0-8 on pains team! He is the reason why nb always gets buffed! AS well imo they should have kept class reps they know about the game!
weird how they used to have a program where players who understood the classes they played and were intelligent enough to understand balance was a peak time of pvp.
100% the Class reps should have never been taken away. HUGE mistake.
Always gets buffed, must not have looked at the patch notes recently.
If that's the case, ESO will go the same way Star trek Online went. The devs don't understand the game they themselves are managing, and in the end, they are just there for the money, milking the players.
idk the game is reduced to event after event with no real content anyway....
So 99% of companies?
@TheParallelSound IT is possible to make a good game. There are only TWO MMOs to retain their player bases over multiple years. ESO is not one of them. If you look at a graph of player numbers over the years and compare that to the majority of other games, the numbers show the same decline.
Games like Elden Ring, Black Myth Wkong, show us good games can be made and successful without milking your players.
If they can do it, ZOS can do it. They CHOOSE not to.
I'm certainly not advocating for being toxic. However, at a certain point of neglect, you somewhat have to reasonably expect justified degree of toxicity from those you are neglecting
Again, i'm not saying anyone's in the right for saying foul comments in the chat, but i'm also not going to sit here and say that the developers neglecting the player base and disrespecting them at every possible, don't deserve some degree of recourse for their actions. And obviously, there's no penalty for being bad at their jobs. So, the only real legitimate consequence is negative and sometimes toxic outlash from their neglected community
What left me kind of wondering as a new player was the whole set up for this event. I expected a bigger production value. I didnt think it would be some guys getting in a discord, talking about pets and housing to fill the akward silence while the BG queing system is failing. It felt so uninspiring, I dont know if I even want to start trying PVP in this game.
The community carries PvP in ESO. Theres been little to no support from the devs for almost a decade. Why the hell was there even a BG’s update??? Nobody played them then and hardly anybody plays them now. The evidence is the lack of finding players and those that queued have their time wasted and have to restart a queue. Meanwhile, Cyrodiil is POPULATION LOCKED between all 3 alliances WEEKLY!!!!! Cyrodiil will always be the best way to play ESO PvP. Until the acknowledge that and make improvements ZOS will continue to fail.
final nail in the coffin for me, after 15k hours since release, no hope left for it.
Hey man don’t feel bad, I wasted 20k hours too
Sypher was a foolish choice. He hasn't played in years and no one cares about him at all. Wheeler was pathetic. PATHETIC. You are completely correct, he has no idea how ESO combat even functions. None at all. All is clear now. I laughed because I got my messages deleted left and right when calling anything out.
At least Sypher got the bag!
Great video, This explains alot
yeah, watching this explains a lot of what's wrong and why so many features never get fixed.
100% agree man, great vid. I think we just vote with our money and show them the pvpers do make up a decent size of the player base.
Coming from Old School RuneScape where the devs listen to every single word the player base says to then see how Zos conducts themselves is wild.
11:00 this is so painful to watch... omg lol.
He is like a mouse with an IQ of 30. It didn't work the first time let me try another 10 times I think I'm onto something lmao.
That entire 11:00 - 12:00 minute window was just 🤣😂😅😄😐😯😟😢😭
If you told me this was cp 400’s just trying to get their daily quest it would have made more sense 🤣
Almost 10k! Absolutely agree on almost all points if this game had better devs it could still be good
This stream just makes everything I assumed about the devs come true,it's honestly hilarious.Atleast New World exists now.
I remember back when viper was upgraded when the crag trials were brought up to vr16, I got that second viper from the first boss in hell ra, I took that, put it on my nb and brought it into cyro, I incapped someone for 14k and had a 16k viper proc on them. Seeing this gameplay makes me wonder how close the game is to that again.
We never realised how good we had it with Wrobel
you are so crazy! When you said Wheeler didnt know to heavy attack to get stam back I almost choked to death on a cough drop laughing! YOU ALMOST KILT ME!
I didn't want to say it either but what was he doing with jabs on that build? He really did look completely clueless out there. I mean, like he only understands PvP in concept, not in practice. Oh, and I wanted to ask so badly "Where is your sustain bro????"
I canceled my sub 2months ago me and about 10 of my guild mates that have been playing since console launch as soon as they said the pvp update was 8v8 bg's I said nope fuck this I'm going to new world again
we had a good run though
6:25 Im glad he got bagt tho, i missed it in the live stream good job unknown hero 😁
All of my questions have been answered!
That dude tea bagging Brian at 6:28 is a menace... Got me dead💀💀💀💀
Remember when they instant removed literally every mention of pvp in the stream?! 😂 classic stuff from zos
I only got to watch a very small portion of the stream but 100% agree with you!
I sort of get your anger. As a game dev I don't think three weeks is gonna be enough to fix bugs, but I get why you'd be angry on how inept the people working on PvP have been throughout ESO's history. There must have been a lot of ambition to it at the start that died out or never truly flourished for some reason or another. Having game development as my passion I've learned to be graceful about the bugs and small details that I come across in games myself and that keeps my spirit alive for now. :3
I miss seeing you play PvP in ESO though, you're one of the few that inspired me to actually enjoy it!
i love how people are tea bagging him mid stream im sure they will be blocked later for hate speech or w/e excuse they claim it is.
I did not watch the livestream but my thoughts are exactly the same with no differences. I have had these opinions for more than 5 years.
ESO fam represent!
I raised my hands to the roof. FML
TBF PvP is kind of a joke in ESO. Guilds that run on every faction and decide who's turn it is to win.....players cross faction deals to up their AP while using cross faction alliances to make sure ONLY those who are approved of by them are allowed to rise up in the ranks and score. Gear Sets are all over the place and descriptions of what that gear does is vague at best. One thing to do is ANY gear achieved outside of PvP Zones become useless in PvP Zones. There is just too much out there in ESO. Casuals and Noobs don't have much of a chance unless someone that knows what's what tells them. But youtubers and those with the OP Meta Builds aren't gonna share whats going on.
I’m curious to know when and where you acquired the brain damage required to have such a take on eso pvp. You should work at zos!
I think the worst thing about the recent PvP event will be conclusion and explanation ZOS comes up with - "Participation was low due to a lack of interest in PvP, not because of poor balance or bad rewards that don’t justify the effort required".
Played from beta to right before elswyr. Just came back. Having a blast. Felt weird coming back and wrecking in bgs they still felt familiar enough. 8v8 hasnt been bad imo. The bug was annoying for waiting and the balancing for matches needs tweaks maybe but felt solid.
The secondhand embarrassment for Brian Wheeler and Zos is straight up cursed-level.
I could not comment on the Dev's PVP performance as I don't do PVP, other than Whitestrakes events where I generally do ok, until I bump into an real PVP'er, then I am dead, oh, and the odd foray into imperial city to complete an daily endeavour. So yep, I have to take your word on it, and I do, that these people have little clue about PVP. It is more than believable, since it has been so many years since PvP has been shown any love with updates. perhaps this debacle is an good thing; ZOS are now going to focus and give some love to the PVP world.
Spamming puncturing strikes while hes 15 feet away from the enemy is crazy. A 5 year old could perform better.
I don't care about any of this directly but what resonates here is that there are many examples of situations where it becomes clear the game developers do not play the games they produce as hobbyists themselves, and as a result they overlooked obvious, simple, but garish flaws.
2:44 I’m wondering if a heavy attack resource sustain build for PVP might be meta now simply because the lead dev doesn’t know about it 😂
The update was for once well concieved as a concept imo, but i will agree the implementation was poorly handled and even worsened the current problems plaguing BGs
Most would prolly disagree, but i do believe that one of the best ways to bring BGs to the role it is meant to play in the game would be to standardize gear stats in matches. this way, more players can actually play with each other with the difference between newer and veteran players becoming smaller, creating better match timing and solidifying BGs as the more casual and fun way to pvp.
once theyve settled their BG playlists, they could add competitive style game modes featuring newer or even older maps while making good use of any new mechanics they have made.
I can't even begin to imagine how much work they actually put into stuff like this when it just sort of drops out of the blue.
Sekaar combat designer ❤ 2025 ❤ Zos already thinking about it 🤔
skinnycheeks is a lot more qualified and motivated than I am and they denied him. I wouldn't want to touch zos headquarters if I was paid
I love how in the footage you used alone, you can see him constantly block cancel jabs lmao. Like dude, wtf is the point of using that ability if you never let off the full 0.8s channel time. This was eye opening. He tries to grab the obj while surrounded by 5 enemies as if he won't get instantly interupted too. He is the type of person you see get deleted in 1vX videos, constantly trying to res their team mate even though they're completely surrounded.
They should hire someone like you that plays PVP
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RIP Sekaar's shungite, deleted by Zos, haters of Shungite
I called this sinking ship of an update out on Xbox with a few guilds and they told me I was wrong and that they loved it. Now they’re quiet as a mouse pissing on cotton. 🤷🏾♂️🤡
I’m done playing this game forever and ever. I think 20k hours, 250k kills, & 10 5 stars is enough for me
I get so tensed in PvE and the occasion PvP that I forget to heavy attack too.
That’s fine, you aren’t getting paid to be the lead combat developer
I can understand him not being good at pvp but he ahould be able to answer questions about abilities and sets.
Im one of the players who only plays ESO to pvp, and if you see me in pve its because im farming sets for pvp, ESO was always my go to for some fun pvp but its really been testing me lately, so many issues with new bg's, cant play cyro as a solo because most of the time its me running around on a mount looking for a fight, getting into a fun fight only to have 13 players come out of nowhere and mass ult me, even if all that wasnt an issue i think the pvp is just stale after playing it for years. Zos is just lucky i dont know what other game to play.
Agree to a degree but to his excuse... Does the orchestraa lead knows how to play all the instruments?
I wish Elon Musk buys ESO and make it better :D
THANK YOU!
I’ve been playing ESO since day 1 and can tell you with 100 percent certainty that the devs are incredibly incompetent. They don’t care for PvP, they do have a master piece of a game if it gets polished correctly but unfortunately that’s never going to happen lmao. ESO was the best game I’ve ever played during patch 1.6 and has progressively gotten worse since up until they FINALLY started looking at improving the game specifically with the lag. Unfortunately I don’t see a future with this game in terms of its own lifecycle, but I still enjoy it here and there personally because despite the devs incompetence the unique combat system this game has is one of my favorites. Tell React Faster I said hi, we use to duel on Xbox he is definitely a good player
God forbid they ask avid PvP players for feedback and ways to balance the game properly.
That was embarassing.
Had a 9 month break from eso, so it doesnt feel like a grind atm.
Its the only MMO i have ever played, ill never commit to that grind again.
I just want them to fix the only online game i play and clearly they have no clue and hate the fanbase because their knowledge makes devs all realise they are underqualified and out of their depth.
We both played wayyyy back in Haderus on Xbox NA with Invictum people; I can't tell you how many of those old heads were still generally playing somewhat regularly, and NOW everyone is fleeing. Cyro has been in a bad place for a long time, but having our main location of play in such a bad state is killer. There just is nothing there for anyone. Ball groups, which I play in a lot, run the map. Which, generally they should, but it's been incentivized to play like that. A single ball group can tank a zerg. 30-40 people wailing on 12 people; they demand attention. But at the same time, I'll play solo and anyone I come across that isn't in a 8+ man group is a 45k health block tank. It's just an embarrassing state for what was billed as an integral part of the game. That the LEAD DESIGNER cannot PvP is not surprising at all. It's just such a mood killer to log on and get ran over by zergs, walk away from combat against perma-block tanks, and just generally be locked into the ball group/zerg or bust mindset. It sucks. It just fuckin sucks.
This is so embarrassing for him.. and explains a lot. I did quit ESO couple years back, only logged in to check things out after new chapters.. because the game was just going down and down to worse and worse for the last many years. Like so amateur Dev job in so many areas of the game it's almost unbelievable. Dead game. :/
The Harry Potter analogy 🤣🤣🤣
Looking at this and listening to what your saying makes it pretty obvious their target audience are casuals who grew up with Elder Scrolls and like to play very low-effort with their friends on weekends and enjoy the RP and lore. The fact that theres even pvp modes is more and more unclear to me why they even bother since they dont seem to understand or fundamentally give a shit about that part of hte game.
ESO pvp isn’t like a fps or like a fighting game where you can only go as far as your genetics, there’s a 1 second gcd and in my experience you can become a good pvper with average genetics, so a lead combat designer should be good at pvp
I love the movie reference 😂
Most game devs don't actually play the game they work on. This is around 70% of the market.
Stream was atrocious, when I saw Brian Wheeler play the first match, I instantly thought, now I know why pvp is Dead 😢😢 they literally have an idiot in charge. What's even more fucked up is there have been multiple people apply for positions, one being a very well known ESO streamer and OG player..
We need to get Brian Wheeler on law dog eso EXPOSEDDDD hahaha clapped by the the goat himself
i'm sitting here watching this gameplay and - mind you, i virtually never play pvp in this game - even I am asking myself what the hell his game plan is in this match
This makes total sense
Imagine knowing you are going to be seen by your community and not practicing.
He has zero respect for us
Please tell me why sypher PK is even in this stream, not try to rag on him at all. I played ESO with that man on Xbox back in the day. But it has been like 5 years since this man has played this game. Let alone streamed it. Fortnite came out and he left with it to do better. For him self. I really want to know what they paid him to play again.
tbh sorcs are so broken now I light attack people to death meanwhile my templar's sweep ulti can't even come close to the dmg xD.
Great video man! This was disgraceful but sadly zos has never cared😢 an amazing product that incompetent clowns have completely misused
He doesn't even have his hp numbers on his bar 😂
My birthday is the same day! Happy belated 😂
me and you dont see eye to eye much but im with you here.........im just going to watch this dumpster fire finally fizzle out here. i have my popcorn bucket on standby. "U45 Xynode takes over for Brian as lead pvp combat designer" .....lmfao
The sad reality is ZoS has the data. In reality only about ~ 2-5% of players really pvp. That 2-5% definitely have the loudest voice and most stream/do content and play the game religiously. They’re definitely not going to bend over backwards to help sub 5% of their player base. Granted the pvp in this game seems like a massive missed opportunity for them, especially for future titles. But I think they’re okay rolling in their millions $$ profit from people who do housing and farm flowers/fish lol
At this point, I would endorse him with open arms if he changes the battlegrounds back to how it was before and with 3 teams (or at least THE OPTION to do 3 team bg lol. Gg).
If he were to take this action, it would not only show his good character, but he would finally earn my respect. It takes a real man to own up to the less favorable outcomes, especially with an audience. Unfortunately it seems to be a rare thing to find in the industry (probably because of the employer tbh). Don’t get me wrong, I’m not even trying to be sarcastic or a jerk here either. I’m being genuine about this. With that being said, ZOS doesn’t at all seem to be the most genuine, logical, reasonable, nor responsible entity in existence.
I honestly wonder how that guy actually feels about all this. Either he doesn’t care or he’s living a nightmare right now. If he’s down bad rn, then I actually do feel bad for him. Your analogy with the Inglorious clip was awesome. I agree with that 100%.
is anyone surprised? are you actually? We all know this is the case. But i guess its one thing to know it, and another to see it. I have almost never seen anyone from zos actually play this game in a sensible way, except for rich and gliliam obv. Otherwise, any live streams where zos plays eso look like people who have been playing the game for a week. But its always been obvious that the people balancing the game and making choices dont actually play much, dont go into cyrodiil, and especially dont pvp.
Eso is just so damn depressing these days. No matter what game im playing i always miss eso, but its just so bad rn. I would love for things to get better so i can sweat eso again. But its just not likely. Otherwise i just hop on from time to time. When you've spent 20k+ hours in a game it doesnt really matter how long you take off. You can always come back and play like you never left. I actually tried the new bgs last night for the first time. Pretty mid tbh. Lots of healing, some bombers, and everyone else isnt doing much. The bg update should have come in a chapter, not a "pvp update". Its just lame. And the balance issue seems like it will never be fixed, especially with people like brian at the helm.
The zenimax of today, and of the last few years, seriously lacks the passion, innovativeness, and willingness to take risks, that the old zenimax of 2014-2018 had. And it really shows, and its really detrimental to this game. They also dont care about our opinions, and have no idea how to fix things. So ya, the future looks bleak.
100% agree…. AOC better work on release! 🤣
@@ESO_PRIME Ya im sure it will in 2037. the sad thing for me is ive put a fk ton of time in almost every mmo out there and nothing comes close to how i feel about eso pvp. closest thing i ever had was archeage before i even played eso, and that game is gone.
Maybe ashes will do it. so far in the alpha i feel like it has potential, but still doesnt come close to eso for me. either way, hope it doesnt take 10 more years.
@@Eso_lags i totally feel yah! I love ESO too but Cyrodil needs something new. 20k hours myself and 19k of that is probably Cyrodil pvp!! Imperial city is alright but I'm hoping for something more. AOC seems too far away... I'm trying New World atm, it's ok so far but haven't dived into pvp yet.
Kind of makes sense … balance changes for the last while seem like a book report done last minute by a kid who didn’t read the book. Guess this guy who works at zos is just trading his time for money and doesn’t give a crap.
Zos is on a backward spiral. Look at the patch that brought out a non binary companion. The BG patch is just another step in a downward spiral.