TFL Was Dead Wrong About This (Ineos Grenadier Off-Road Review)
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Today I take my Ineos Grenadier off-road through the desert!
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The Grenadier did pretty well with what you threw at it. Nothing too hard, but not so easy people will be saying, "I could've done that in my Camry!" What I found most impressive was, as the vehicle's suspension was articulating and jouncing through the ruts and bumps there were absolutely no squeaks, rattles, creaking, groaning, etc. Considering the twisting that was going on, that speaks volumes to the build quality of the truck.
I've wheeled in series Land Rovers and Jeeps and they always had a little something to "say" when going over obstacles. Nothing wrong, per se, just talking to you about what they were doing at the moment. This truck was just straight bored, "Yawn! What else you got?"
I like that. I've got serious issues with this rig in other areas, but this was nice to see. Thanks for putting this one out there.
Please, you could do that in a Camry.
Lol, sorry, I couldn't resist.
@@jeeperwill6262 - LOL!!
that is one of the best offroad rig reviews I have seen. the realistic way we use our offroad rigs.
You are the first one that I know of to say the diff lock goes on or off instantly but just takes a little time to display it. Thank you. I don't know what you mean by TFL being Dead Wrong. You are right again by showing what most of us experience when driving off road. Most off road vehicles can handle the type of road you just drove over as long as they clearance and good tires.
The lockers do not go in and out. It is software glitch that will update indicators.
also most channels claim the opposite. I too use the lockers less on a Grenadier then any other vehicle I've had.
I like Ben's positivity; his videos will reveal to the rest of the world how incredibly capable the Ineos Grenadier is. Voted & Sub'd. Greetings from England.
Doesn't go up in RPM in low range cause you have ability to use all 8 gears in LO, underrated ability
The shocks are made by Sachs. The are not from Bilstein. This is easily confirmed by looking at the shock body which has a big Sachs label. Sachs is a division of ZF the company that makes the transmission used in the Grenadier.
Yes, yes! more of this please!! Quick question, Motor Trend was very critical of the Grenadier in the recent testing for SUV of the year. They were complaining about rattles and squeaks. What say ye?
I think my rear hatch rattles some, I need to get it checked out
I'll stick to my Rubicon with front and rear lockers and sway bar disconnect.
If the Rubicon works for you then that is great. It isn't a love it or hate it situation. He has centre, front and rear lockers and at no time did he need a sway bar disconnect system to get past the obstacles. If you went to some much more difficult spots possibly sway bar disconnect would help. Sway bar disconnect is really an American thing which for some reason hasn't been needed in other countries. Maybe you do more rock crawling compared to rough tracks and overlanding.
@@DavesIneosGrenadier Truth be told, that trail could be traversed by just about any AWD vehicle and possibly 2WD vehicles with sufficient clearance.
@@DavesIneosGrenadier I would install manual disconnects. It is more comfortable on the trail (less snap back), less tire lifts in the rough stuff and really just one less thing fighting the working of your suspension. It also prolongs the life of your swaybar bushings and links to have it disconnected offroad.
Getting one used for my teenager. But not enough room for over landing, needs lots of parts upgrades to survive, not as unique. The Grenadier is a bit more money, but worth it
@@Gemini-kl1wnI was waiting for my Honda Civic could do that trail comment.
Ben, press the off-road button on the top dash and it’ll turn the bumper sensors off you can also release ya seat belts and it won’t bleep in off-road mode
I don’t use it so that I can still use the backup camera lol
If I didn't have an APG Bronco Mid-Runner made from a Badlands I would consider this. I love my Bronco. Even stock it is a beast.
I have an older Wrangler that I really do not care for all that much as well.
great review and showing the advantages of the Grenadier in realistic use of it. Happy that you also mention it is like handling a plane with the toggle switches and push buttons :).
The 0ne thing that everyone need to do is stop comparing it to a. Gwagon it a 80k car to a 145k car no one repeat no one is taking a gwagon on these conditions maybe to whole foods or Starbucks in the rain but not there
@@johnfranktullo3463 I think those that have owned both mean the G Wagon up to 2018 that’s the W463. The ineos really feels like the car Magna would have upgraded the GW (W463) to. Merc went down the luxury / rich list route .
To be fair, I used to go to Mt Blanca every fall, and the Santa Fe G Wagon dealer would show up and shred those silly tires and rip the exhaust out every year. Clearly, lots of disposable income. That is trail I would do in our Grenadier( and probably winch because I become a big chicken on that trail) but a G wagon....
I have a "triple locked" 80 Series Land Cruiser and pretty much NOTHING stops it unlocked. I use my lockers infrequently, even on legit crawler trails. I'd be willing to bet that the same is true about the Grenadier an I doubt you need them as much as you indicated in this video. Old-school offroad trucks expose driver skill over technological advantages of modern vehicles.
80 and Power Wagon (so locked and disco-sway from factory) owner here and I agree 100%. My PW does have amazing articulation (way better than the 80) but still, I run that exact type of trail here in AZ and would never to rarely. If then, rear. Shits gotta be pretty serious to lock the front too, esp in the 80.
Great video Ben but no swaybar disconnect and no front trail camera - sorry I’ll stick to my Rubicon that has both. As someone who offroaded alone the front camera is essential to me.
Can’t beat a wrangler at crawling, but it’s horrible at middle speed and high speed
I stopped watching TFL a long time ago. They got out of touch. Roman thinks the new Tacoma is fairly priced. 🙄
I still watch them
He also loves the new Defender . 🙄
It appears TFL has been attracting a lot of negative heat lately. I agree their dismissive Grenadier reviews are unfair and based on ignorance rather than in-depth knowledge of what the Grenadier was designed for and its true capabilities.
Having only seen videos of the Grenadier it appears to be a capable off roader, but so is the Wrangler and Bronco. All terrain tires, lockers and sway bar disconnect are needed for any serious off roading. Nice video.
Those both suck at longer off-road travel
@ having done two one day Bronco off Roadeo events and another half day on rugged trails I think the Bronco does pretty well. Much smoother on the road than the Jeep.
Thanks Ben !!
Fun Video, Note Ineos loaded out ZF Sachs Shocks not Bilstein Shocks on the Grenadier, I crawled under recently to put on skid plates and was looking at them.
It looks pretty good for stock, but if u really into offroad u will need much bigger tires and everything that comes along with it. There are huge number of upgrade options with jeep but here I am not sure what u can get. If stock is all u can have then this limits what u can do with it.
TFL's best days are behind them
Yeah really feels like a content farm these days.
Lol!
Disagree
Can I borrow that crystal ball?
no matter how expensive you build a 4x4 it all depends on tires and driver skills. all this modern sheit is over the top.
These are so cool. I didn’t need up getting one I built a small shot instead but I do want one. I would like to see more of the reliability out of that BMW engine since I’ve had a lot of Jeep wranglers/Jeep trucks and a lot of those 3.6 v6 engines of jeep have reached or surpassed 200k miles so I’d like to see the reliability of the Ineos some more
Hard to believe that a Jeep owner is talking about needing to see more reliability from another brand. The BMW i6 is very reliable and it's been out for years. What more could you possibly need to see?
@ Nobody wheels the bmw I6, but people do wheel the JL/JT with the Penestar v6 and put crazy amounts of miles on them. It would be nice to see the Ineos hit high mileage does that make more sense for you
@@blakemarchand6650 The BMW I6 has been around for years, the engine is the same as in many BMWs for years. Ok yeah wait for years to see what the highest mileage on the same engine in the Ineos. Makes no sense.
@ or just dust the Ineos In my Bronco Raptor ? 🤷♂️
@@blakemarchand6650 The thing has been in production for 10 years now, and while it hasn't been used in offrad application they are stupidly popular as track cars around the world, that puts a lot times more stress on things compared to offroading. I promise you, if there was something big about it would be all over the internet by now + they are put in every bodyshape bmw produces. + a few other manufactures use them also.
and older bmw engine are popular as engine swaps in toyota, nissa and mistubish in europe. try searching youtube for bmw m57 nissan or toyota and you will have hours of offroad coverage with them
very cool. Now... since you have a 200 and a 250 series LC, run the same trail in those! (oh, and the Sequoia). I'm sure they can all do the trail, just be an interesting comparison.
Will do
Love these trucks. I’m skeptical to get one though because without the modern TC system, you have to use lockers and lockers are pretty bad in the snow other than certain situations. From my experience, TC systems work better in those environments. Lockers do have their place in everything else though and are superior. I just wish they allowed you to have both options.
I have two Grenadiers and a Quartermaster on order. I sold two 200 Series Land Cruisers, 2013 and 2021 that I swore I never would but just assume throw rocks at after owning the first Grenadier for just days. The Grenadier Traction Control on road and selectable “Off-Road” mode works exceptionally well. Mechanical lockers are a bonus and should be used sparingly, especially in the front as a rule.
Who’s told you lockers are bad in snow? This is also a full time four wheel drive system. Lots of old Subaru’s got around just fine before traction control using just full time four wheel drive. If you get in a pickle you just lock 1 or 2 differentials and you will not be in a pickle any more…
@ I know it from experience. It’s also easily found in RUclips snow reviews. There are times to use lockers in the snow but it can lead to sliding sideways on embankments and other bad situations that involve turns.
@ I just searched for these reviews and only find videos of people showing how good lockers are in snow (because they are). Would love to see a video showing them worse than open diffs…
Any situation like an embankment where you slide sideways with locked diffs, you would also slide sideways with open diffs.
You also didn’t address the main point: full time four wheel drive. Lots of vehicles were extremely capable in snow using just full time for wheel drive before TC was a thing. Subarus, Audis, LC80s, range rovers, just to name a few.
@ literally had a 4Runner slide off the trail last month because he was using his rear locker. The rest of the ones who didn’t use theirs were fine.
There are times of when and when not to use your locker in the snow. Going straight up a hill is fine but when a bank angle is involved it can be worse. I have lots of snow wheeling experience.
The vehicles you speak of with open diffs still had torsion limited slip diffs or something similar.
You should do another off road video with TFL Im sure they would be happy to have you on again
I wouldn’t recommend keeping the front locked. I only lock the front when I need it and dont need to turn much at all
I agree with you about the hill decient control, It’s a bit of a gimmick.
Hi Ben! Love this video! Do you now have a suspension lift or different sized tires? Please keep this type of Grenadier content coming! Liked and Subbed!
Name naming huh?! 😂🎉 I agree on this one. Loved to see the G. Been the look is more shining like a star 🌟 🎉 Continue the fair job.
More of these type videos please.👍
TFL is ok at testing offroad. They don’t believe in using any momentum whatsoever. Andre is the only one with any skill offroad. Also, they recently tested a Land Rover, G wagon, Wrangler and a 4Runner off-road in the snow. Unless you put them all on the same tires, it’s a waste of time.
I have an '18 Land Cruiser 200 with a 1.5" OME lift, springs and shock and Bridgestone AT tires. I didn't see anything that my LC wouldn't have sailed through. And without the awful Grenadier steering. That's the one issue I have with it.
Ben, are you suggesting your 200 would have had any issues on that drive?
I’ll take my 200 through this, but the 200 has worse angles, so it runs out of clearance sooner. The steering on the G is great off-road.
@@BenHardyCars Thanks Ben. I saw the Grenadier and loved the design, apparent quality and space. Then I test drove it. My Land Cruiser lives in Southern Baja California and I couldn't handle that steering on the 2 lane roads down here. That was the deal breaker. There have been so many complaints that they'll have no choice but to make changes.
You cannot compare, the Grenadier is so far ahead of it off road. This stuff is not much, but I have done some harder trails in the first 5 months, and after a 40 years of wheeling, nothing compares stock. I added some 35s, but would have no issues running the Rubicon for instance. Our 2015 4 Four Runner would have been insanely expensive to get ready for the Rubicon.
Love the Grenadier...just can't get my head around the price tag...One of the best cars on the market today and an example of purpose driven engineering and design.
Price refurbished defenders or G wagens and get back to us…
This costs roughly what a high spec bronco costs, but is built significantly better. Crawl under one of these and look at the axles and frame, then do the same with a Bronco.
I don’t own one yet, but seriously considering. If it turns out to be reliable this vehicle is a steal relative to the cardboard crap other brands are putting out.
A loaded four cylinder Land Cruiser pretty much costs the same as a base Grenadier. And only has 8 inches of clearance.
What would it take to get a say Toyota up to the same level of nearly one ton running gear? SAS, lift for 35-37s, gearing and so on...Makes the Grenadier look like a bargain.
I say the same thing about my Grenadier, that it feels like a marriage of a 70 series and G Wagon.
Insane Grenadier Ben !! 💙💙
Nicest looking machine out there
Where were you off-roading in this video?
Man love the video need more like this
TLF was wrong?! Color me surprised. Those guys lost the plot ages ago; my favorite was the review favoring the Land Rover "because it has heated seats and I have back problems".
You might want to keep your thumbs out of the steering wheel since it’s not electric
Bad habit I have
Ben your grenadier is a cool suv I like it
I like the Grenadier as a car. Do not like the nasty chemical conglomerate that makes it.
A really good video. Well done.
I really dislike the misinformation TFL provides. The term "triple Locked" is a great example. A center differential simple makes your vehicle an AWD (All Wheel Drive) which means it provides the most amount of power to the tire with the least amount of traction while the other tires provide friction ( this is a very basic representation of AWD). Locking or engaging the center differential is simply applying equal power to the front and rear axles all times. If you have a two wheel drive vehicle this is the same as engaging the transfer case in 4WD. When in 4WD the tire with the least amount of traction in the front and rear axle gets all of the power. this is noticeable when the axles are full articulated and you have the two tires at opposing angles spinning without the vehicle moving forward. When engaging the selectable locker in the front or rear it makes the differential into a spool connecting both axle shafts together and transferring 100% of the engines power to both tires on the axle with the locker engaged. The advantages of a locking differential is that it allows continuous drive when condition require additional traction. Some example include articulation of both axles to their extreme and your tires begin to lift, when driving at a steep side angle and the weight of the vehicle is transferred to the low side tires and not enough friction on the high side tires to maintain drive, and when climbing steep inclines and more drive friction is needed to move forward. Some of the disadvantages of driving with locking differential engaged are, poor turning radius, increased strain on the drive train and not having friction tires to keep the vehicle from sliding sideways on off camber driving.
Ben Hardy.....the new HULK HOGAN - great video - You should do more videos on healthy living Ben... I like this Grenadier - Put a set of 38s on it - content video.
I prefer 33s, great clearance and still decent fuel economy
were any warning lights not on?
My grenadier needs a software update
I'm pretty sure all vehicles are relying on mechanical grip except space shuttles.
No, AWD relies and slamming on the brakes hoping the tire not spinning gets the power to move forward. Lockers send direct mechanical power, and a LSD can send some.
So if i bought Grenadier without the diff lock options ,I would be severly compromised?
The front and rear lockers are like 2k. There is no reason to not get them.
Yes
No absolutely not comparatively speaking. The off road mode is very good, takes just a little getting use to and I have done a considerable amount technical off-roading without engaging cross axle lockers. But it is absolutely the best option for the price. For an infrequent off-road or overland type rig that mostly avoids serious Rocks and unmaintained tracks you will likely never miss not having Lockers.
Yes. Lockers make the difference from being stuck or not. Just watch reviews where they show the difference between lockers on and off, even on dirt roads.
This is if you go off road. If you are only ever going to drive on paved roads, then you don’t need them.
Where do they sell these ?
Warner Ineos is the dealer in Utah
I think this is a really hyped up video.
There is no denying the grenadier is a good off roader, but not near as good as a LC 70 series for desert overlanding.
A jeep is a better crawler, a 4runner more reliable and a raptor is better for Sand speed racing.
For the terrain shown in this video, an off road bronco sport could do it too.
There were parts where you were saying that you were cruising with little effort, but the video shows otherwise, the amount of input you had to use in the steering wheel was a lot, thats not "cruising".
Any triple locked vehicle will Just eat that terrain like its nothing, you dont need to be triple locked in that easy terrain, Just use the rear locker when climbing, so you can actually turn corners.
Remember the camera flattens everything out
I like the Grenadier, bit like an 80 series but I do think Atrac is better in the real world and trucks have moved on since the 90s.
Lockers have their place where even the best traction control systems can't smoothly get you through places that need slow, smooth and controlled driving. It's why Toyota offers the Land Cruiser 300 and the LX600 with front and rear lockers.
Love the title
Mr. Hardy “Off Road Mode”! I unsubscribed and ended my Patreon support for TFL because of their idiotic coverage of this vehicle and the breaking their promise to keep it for one year long term review. The Ineos Grenadier is the most important and significant 4X4 car in two decades and Roman can’t deal with the over speed warning chimes, nonsense, stupid and a disservice to us.
I don’t use off-road mode so that I can use the backup camera. I didn’t have a spotter.
@ OK. There is a procedure to allow the backup camera in off road mode but you can also just turn it off if you really need the camera. I’ve just been extraordinarily impressed with the capabilities in Off-Road Mode and it’s the first thing on when the tires hit the dirt.
To be fair they have confessed to screwing up , even in the best of the year round up
Yeah man no point to make a title like that - they have way more experience than you in this line of testing
I’m just trolling
Lol TFL tests everything to a level that wouldn't piss off the car manufacturers they borrow them from. They already got banned from Subaru's press vehicles. TFL also likes to over dramatize with their hair pulling and heavy breathing. They've got some good content every once in a while but the majority of their offroading, especially in the recent years is pretty boring.
I like the title, good job.
I don’t think so. And TFL likes to fall within the manufactures lap not to upset them that much. I think this is a good video and a good testing. Very similar to Driving Sports Tv where they tested really well in the mountains and steering experience is almost the same
@@CACressidaI’ve owned Subarus for years. They’re not wrong about them. They’re plenty good for poor road conditions. But they’re not great for the kind of off roading TFL tests them for.
so the indication needs to be refined but at least it works
Just a little worried with all those warning lights.
Not warning lights! It is showing the driver what’s activated and deactivated. However Mr. Hardy has a check engine light on that is a software glitch he has addressed in previous video.
How can you say that?
I dont watch TFL as much as I do Truck King
Truck king is underrated imo
Man why you gotta diss TFL😂 if anything yall should collab👀
We have in the past
It’s very cool looking, but needs a 25% price reduction.
All call-outs are negative and are poor form. I have seen you reference TFL in past titles too. As journalists they gave their opinions on something, which I agree with, having driven the Grenadier, in contrast to my past 4Runner, GX460, and wife's past Defender. Just because you aren't bothered by something, it doesn't mean a contrasting opinion is wrong lol. Though I understand the clickbait nature of titles
I’m trolling
Fun ride
Please tell me what’s worse than a British car, made in France, with a BMW motor? At least it has a good transmission.
An American car, owned by an Italian/french conglomerate & made in Mexico perhaps?🧐
@@jonathanhicks140haha!
@@jonathanhicks140 😁😁
@@jonathanhicks140
Nah Ineos is still worse
It also has Italian axles.
tfl is usually wrong all they do is off roading @ under 10 mph over rocks
I challenged them to a shoot out with there beloved Defender 90 on something relatively simply, the Golden Spike. Since that time they have started adding a disclosure that the Defender is not for anything challenging 😂
Are those factory tire size? I know you have black rhino wheels aftermarket. That right rear when it was stuffed had very little room left to upsize the tires if so
285/70/17….biggest tire you can fit stock
You get it totally. Well played sir. [subd,:))]
Not surprised TFL reviews nonsense.
Ben….it seems like you’re starting to inject model bias into your reviews….this thing would get WORKED by a lot of cheaper “normal” off-road vehicles currently available
You reveal your naiveté (and that of most of the other reviewers you mention). But good video.
TFL has thin skin. They’ll retaliate for sure. J/K
They are a great crew
Liar you are NOT Ben Hardy, He hasnt got a beard.
You should have a disclaimer on this since you’re a grenadier fanboy .
Not a fanboy, just appreciate vehicles that are done well
Not sure about that. I have found Grenadier owners very genuine. I did not find that in the Toyota or Nissan Communities. Even Ram can be a little Fanboy. But owners hold Ineos feet to the fire on everything, and actually take these things to the limits asap.
Why are you driving there? Where are you going? It makes no sense.
How about you "get into" a barber my dude.
DEAD WRONG
U are going chinese tests try land rover defender or broncos
Haha go buy one, 2 weeks later “I made a HUGE mistake buying this POS”
I’ve owned this for 8 months now
Tfl looks far too inexperienced to have a popular channel. The few videos I watched were somewhat entertaining but lacks any useful knowledge. They should stay behind the computers.
Those is a real 4x4 and they had no clue how to operate it😂
Til is wrong a lot. not because there not informed they borrow or rent there test subject matter. And are terrified to dent scratch or hurt these trucks in any way so would I. My off road vehicles are well worn and abused that’s why there so much fun.
What are they right about? Those guys knew nothing when they started their channel. Since then, they've been failing to learn on the job.
They make great content
@BenHardyCars they make early content before others. They don't know how to drive and don't know what they're talking about.
They make beautiful nonsense content @@BenHardyCars
Despite its quarks it really is a great off road SUV. It’s an “affordable” g wagon.
Good looking truck
Don't talk smack about other youtubers! your asking for troubles. Just a heads up.Mr Hardy Edit your videos better! last few videos you edit ends in the middle of you speaking.
TFL looks down upon anythin non American
@@rtmanyemba Maybe so. But you get good wealth knowledge on everything American.
Or what?
REEeeeeEeeeeeEEee
80 k No Thanks
Props for the great license plate lmao
Ben you should watch all the TFL content before you insert your foot in your mouth.
I’m just trolling
TFL has earned every Troll they get.
I would buy if it were an EV..BUT BMW engine no way..
🤣
EVs are trash
I didn’t preorder because of the BMW engine. I own two now and have a Quartermaster on order. The B58 is rock solid and reliable at double the horsepower. A few quirky preventative maintenance items must be addressed but I’m so convinced I sold two 200 Series Land Cruisers 2013 and 2021 that I swore I would never sell but just assume throw rocks at now after owning the Grenadiers.
B57 & B58 are great power units