He is deceived. There is NO PURGATORY AND all that brutality Jesus did on the cross. HE SAID IT IS FINISHED. ..not middle ground....this man is not of GOD AND HE DOESN'T know the bible is or the holy ghost.....
I have to admit he is a good speaker and he keeps your attention as he speaks but we are to go to the scriptures for our truth not to a man telling you what to believe.1 Peter 2:24 does Jesus miss some sins?
This is really helpful - as a non-Catholic I approached with skepticism but it not only makes sense it addresses sin in a way which is logical. The more I learn of Catholicism the more I like it. Thanks!
Miriam Reutter - I always thought of it as a tool which Catholics used to control the population and earn money through payment to reduce the sentence in purgatory. This new perspective gives the concept new meaning. The way sin corrupts / spoils makes sense and therefore an account of this helps understand and appreciate the cost of sin, beyond forgiveness.
@@andrewbromley7923 I see. I don't know what your theology is, but when a doctrine is formed by human reasoning, it could be spiritually deadly. I am not so much concerned about the money it generates for the church as I am at it destroying God's work of salvation. Think about it, when the reverend says temporal consequence of sin, what does that mean? If it was like for example engaging in immoral acts and getting diseases that end your life prematurely that is a consequence of sin. But to carry that idea into eternity is simply not true. The Biblical examples he gives do not support the idea at all. I think you should visit your own theology about this and also search for debates on this subject before rushing to conclusions.
@ Miriam Reutter - I attend a house group and that was the general conclusion too. It was deemed to undervalue what Christ achieved. Although there was reference to praying for the dead in the Bible so I’m confused on the topic. I do think sin corrupts more generally - when I reflect on my areas of sin it isn’t something which just appears - it’s gradual and progressive (or rather regressive). These come from my father and I can see them in my son too. I think this is the corrupting affects of sin - it travels through the blood line.
@@andrewbromley7923 Andrew, I did not finish my thought because I was typing from my phone. But you raised up an important concern, which is the "generational" sins, that is, when a sin that affects the father also is present in the son and so on. It's a depressing thought. Isaiah tells us Jesus was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities and by his stripes we are healed. As we studied the Bible in our Church, we learnt that transgressions are sins that are visible, Jesus was wounded and bled on outside, He was bruised for our iniquities which are hidden sins that may result from sins of heads of the families or clans, etc. Bruising one bleeds from inside and the Bible tells us by his stripes we are healed. Take into prayer putting this Scripture before the Lord, if it's possible ask the elders or pastors of your group to pray with you to break the curse of the iniquity in your life. It's not easy to break Satan's grip but Jesus delt with that too on the cross. I hope this helps. You are not alone.
Hey my name Is Elijah a Christian. 1 Corinthians 3 speaks of the works and how the we as Christian’s utilize our gifts for the ministry of God our work for the will of God (the quality of our work). Please friends read the scriptures do research of the people hat is mentioned. It’s so important and most of all pray that God through his spirit will reveal the truth to you.
Dear sir "stop trying and trust christ alone. On the cross he cried out in greek" tetelesti " "it is finished " His redeeming death was more than enough to swash away all sin from a persons life. You can't earn it,inherit it,or work enough for it. Paul said salvation is a "Gift" Do you have to work for your wife to give you a gift on Christmas? No
Purgatory still makes me a bit scared. Some say they believe and some say they don't, and in the end it does not matter if you believe or not if it actually exist. Of course I want to be cleansed of sin and of course I'm nervous about purgatory, I am human, Hoping by the grace of Christ I can be close to Him, do His will, and be with Him in heaven. Thank you for teaching us Father.
Purgatory is not real, Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Is not he saying we are saved eternally by the work of Jesus on the cross but we will pay consequences and judgments for how we lived or used what our Father gave us. Which is the judgement seat of Christ-purgatory? We ARE eternally saved once we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross-judgement seat/purgatory is not a trial to decide if we will be in heaven, but a trial for what kind of rewards we will receive. Our Father wants us to have full assurance in the sacrifice of his son so we can boldly approach him AND go and tell the world about him AND so we can rest in Him-NOW! We either believe that Jesus died on the cross for ALL our sins for eternity and that we will never perish or we don’t. The gospel is to be understood by a child…NOT complicated. Confusion IS NOT OF GOD! Father help us all to trust depend and rest IN you. In Jesus name Amen
My mother was dying of colon cancer back in 2002. I made a mental promise to make a novena to Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal before - but I had forgotten. At her funeral a pebble fell at my feet from the ceiling- my friend and I had been talking and suddenly this pebble drops from nowhere - we both stopped talking and looked at it. 2 weeks later it was the night before I had to go back to work ( I had taken a leave to care for my mother). At 3AM I heard my mother call my name loud and clear. I got simultaneous information with her voice - that she was young ( about 30 yr old), and I heard a demon yelling/growling in the background. I immediately understood that she was in purgatory. As I left for work a few hours later, I saw a Miraculous Medal sitting right on the doorstep! And then I remembered about my promise to her! I made the Novena for her and never heard anything else after, but I did feel she was at peace.
Purgatory and limbo are real places for the soul! Pray for your families and friend that have passed - they HEAR our prayers! Your mom is listening when you pray.
Try reading the Bible and ask Jesus for understanding of these verses, Matthew 12:47 “Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.” Matthew 12:48 “But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?” Matthew 12:49 “And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!” Matthew 12:50 “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Ephesians 2:9 “Not of works, lest any man should boast.” It’s the Faith that is the gift of God, it’s quite obvious that the Grace can’t be of yourself, study carefully. Note the gift “ by Grace”, by Jesus only , Romans 5:15 “But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.” 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
🌿🌻 Purgatory and limbo are not biblical. Pray to the Holy Spirit to enlighten you and read the Bible and the truth therein will set you free of religious beliefs, traditions and rituals.
My dad passed in Dec 2019. Just a few hours before he passed (he was in a semi-coma state) he asked me and my brother to get him his two watches - he proceeded to put his watches on each wrist. We had the sense that he was preparing (cleaning up - dressing nice) to enter. Fr. Mike, thank you for explaining this about purgatory - it's comforting.
♥️know♥️ 1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 Peter 3 KJV 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Ephesians 1 KJV 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Purgatory is nowhere to find in the BIBLE ! - it is the false doctrine of Catholicism ! Do not believe that! Read THE BIBLE- do not believe men- only by reading by yourself you will know if something is true or false ! Roman Catholicism is antibiblical- they DO NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF THE BIBLE !
@@alexanderbrown2717 did you forget 2 Peter 2;24 where our Lord atones for our sins and we do not. Purgatory is us atoning for our venial sins , We do not and can not atone for any sin. God bless you.
@@bobloblawb2593 ♥️all🩸 1 John 1 KJV 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 Peter 1 KJV 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 😔 2 Corinthians 4 KJV 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Or 2 Thessalonians 1 KJV 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, And let perpetual light shine upon them. May the souls of all the faithful departed, by the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.
The only reason anyone misses heaven is for rejecting Jesus our Lord and savior. Jesus is the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world which included all yours and mine. Everyone who calls on the name of Jesus gets forgiveness and eternal life John 3:16
@@LennonTedesco thanks that’s the gospel of Jesus Christ or the good news to all creation. I’ve subscribed to your RUclips channel and I now have started a youtube channel with 31 videos Kindly subscribe and share and comment and watch in Jesus name Love from Ireland 🇮🇪
That was true for Paul, but that does not necessarily mean that it is true for everyone. There will be lots of people who go on to be absent from their body but who will not be ushered into the presence of the Lord. So I wouldn't bank on being present with the Lord just because you are absent from your body. I am a protestant seeking to divide the word of God rightly, and I want to turn every leaf and stone to make sure I get it right. This is a great explanation for my, and our, consideration.
Phillip Adams what bible verse supports that only some will go to be in the presence of the Lord? Because I do not agree. What Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:8 applies to all who are saved, not some.
I am new to the Catholic Church and am just starting my RCIA classes. I find it all very interesting and a real eye opener. I want to thank you father Mike for explaining things so clearly, not just on this video but others you have put out. God bless !
@@windyday8598 stopppp. The Old Testament has a TON of great information and insight. Translated from Hebrew scripture, it’s basically a history lesson leading into the New Testament. I’m studying the Book of Genesis. I’m not planning on converting to Judaism. I just love learning the history behind religions, denominations etc.
@@windyday8598 they are new to the Catholic Church. They may find it not to be a good fit, and move over to Christian denomination that better suits, as many Christian’s have. The fact that they found god in the first place, is a good step! Catholics ARE Christian’s as well.
@@YolandaSamone i said nothing against reading the old testament. but, all the mysteries were kept hidden and were clearly revealed by jesus and his apostles in the new testament. those are not my words. i was raised catholic. years later i heard the gospel and found jesus, and began to read his word in the N.T. there is this life, and the life to come, the new jerusalem, or the lake of fire. that's it. jesus suffered and took the penalty for our sins on the cross. there is no place for the false doctrine of doing time for them in a made up purgatory. there is nothing we can do to take away the penalty for our sins. when a believer dies, we are immediately with the Lord, without the body of flesh. i know, read, and have taught from the old testament for years. it all points to Christ, revealed in the new covenant. what can wash away my sin? nothing but the blood of Jesus! justified by his blood. saved by his life, in us. born again.
I always thought it was weird how people will condemn belief in Purgatory, but only when it applies to Catholics. Orthodox folks pray for the dead (though avoid the term Purgatory), Jews do as well. This is hardly a Catholic thing. If you've said "Rest in Peace", you've prayed for the dead.
Adam Hovey I would like to know how praying for a person who has died and gone to the Other Side can change anything? What dimension or sphere you find yourself on is a direct result of how you lived your earth life. Saying prayers for someone doesn´t change that. As for resting in peace, nobody is resting. They are very much alive. Do some real research aside from creed and dogma
Because people will do anything to voice their hatred for the truth found only in the Catholic and apostolic church, the church founded by Christ upon the Apostles.
@@teenherofilms Well I absolutely do not believe in purgatory but I do think the bible indicates that our and God's perspective and experience of time are very different. I strongly suspect that a prayer and the results of it are not constrained by our linear perception of the flow of time. That is not to say that an outcome can be changed by praying after the event but rather that the outcome may well have been influenced by the prayer God knew you would pray. Whether this is so or not, prayer is a communication of what is in the heart and as such always has relational meaning and significance. When my Mum passed, I talked to her, I do not know if she could be aware of this or not but I did it anyway on the off chance and I felt a need to commend her to the Lord so I did that as well. Again, I don't know if this was meaningful or a flight of fantasy but I don't care about the theology of it or if I was foolish, I just did it anyway. I am sure God understands where it came from and that's all that matters to me.
@@kenwebster5053 Everyone survives death regardless of religious ideas. I am quite sure it WAS your mum. After.death communications are not rare, here is one from a sailor who went down on the Hood in WW2 via the independent voice medium Leslie Flint, please listen www.leslieflint.com/terry-smith
Ephesians 2: 8-9 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
Jim McIlvain God’s Grace is His free gift to us. Through faith, we may have eternal life. But our works will determine His judgement: Also Ephesians, 2:10: “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ for *good works* which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” Matthew 7:21-23: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who *does* the will of my father in heaven.” 1 John 2:17: “He who *does* the will of God abides forever.” Matthew 16:27: “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father, with His angels, and then repay every man according to his *deeds* .” Revelation 20:12: “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And books were opened. Another book was opened called the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to *what they had done* as recorded in the books.” Our good deeds alone will not “buy” us salvation. We must also have genuine faith. True faith results in a life of good deeds. But it is by God’s Grace that we can be saved at all in the first place. God has all the glory.
This interpretation makes 2 assumptions, first that God gives this gift freely to any faithful, and second that someone in sin has truly given his being to God without actually FAITHFULLY following his word.
Chuck B yes, we will all be judged. 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ that everyone may receive the things done in his body *according to that he hath done* whether it be good or bad. Psalms 9:8 and He shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgement to the people in uprightness. Matthew 12:36 but I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.
Chuck B The Bible said “Faith WITHOUT works is Dead.” Soooo, we are saved by our Faith in Jesus Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection, BUT without works to show our faith, it is dead faith. And without faith (live faith) it is impossible to please God. Soooo... both are important but FAITH saves us.
@@tiffanyvoss3966 it doesn't matter the works, what if someone is poor and they can't feed poor, help the homeless, give money to the church. God will not judge according to works, he would never condemn someone for not doing enough because no one does enough
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
I'm not Catholic, just a non-denominational Christian, but I enjoy watching these videos to learn about Catholicism. I'm still not sure I'm convinced about Purgatory, but I'm still learning. The Bible has a lot to cover, and I've hardly read all of it. Maybe my thoughts will change when I have read all of it (on a reading plan currently). I'll be sure to check out those resources too!
I mostly listen to mike winger for Bible study but I used to be Catholic and I come here to see their view on things and what scriptures they use to back those views. I was a non practicing Catholic so I didn’t know why I believed what I did. Im a born again Christian now so of course now I know why I believe what I believe. I study now. I don’t believe in purgatory. The verses they use don’t have to do with purgatory if you read them in context. Jesus wipes us clean and we are going to heaven through Jesus. Mike winger has an awesome teaching on this. Keep reading the Bible and studying. God will lead you. 😊
🌿🌻 Don't jump from the frying pan into the fire. The catholic religion is the religion of the antichrist. Jesus said to Nicodemus that "You must be born again in order to enter into the kingdom of God ". EASY DOES IT ! Pray to God for wisdom and the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. 🙏
There's no such thing as non denominational Christianity. Every church outside of the RCC has been conceptualized and established by a man or a group of men coming to a consensus of doctrine. Even a small protestant based strip mall church planted by one guy who thinks he's got it right according to his own interpretation, is his own denominations. Don't kid yourself.
Thank you so much Father Mike!!!🙏🏻 I am a Christian Orthodox and I am having this confusion since long time ago! I couldn’t find an explanation why we do memorials ( aside showing our love). In our church we talk about memorials and how important it is to pray for the diseased. We have so many experiences in the church of people that passed away asking their family to help them in the afterlife, or others thanking their families for memorials, prayers, rosary and doing charity for the souls, but no one could really explain why ! I was always thinking, since after death there is not a second chance why do we pray for the diseased??Your video solved my confusion!!! Thank you so much for the amazing videos! You can’t imagine how many times your videos have brought answer and clarity to my questions!!! Your blessings Father!🙏🏻
Hey, I appreciate your comment, but please consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
@@davidblack1353 Very good points. Paul wrote half of the New Testament. He was the apostle to the Gentiles, yet he never once mentioned prayers for the dead as a "doctrine". The Book of Romans, by itself, tells us everything we need to be saved and become an effective Christian, yet Paul did not mention prayers for the dead as a doctrine in this important book. The Bible, in its context, repeatedly tells us that "today" is the day of salvation. Do not delay, do not put it off. Then the Catholic church tells us we get a second chance, by purifying certain sins, that Jesus' grace missed the first go round.
The entire new testament focus is on the Lord Jesus Christ , that is who you should be focused on . Coll 2:9-15 Look at what Jesus has done for the believer? Read the scriptures before listening to any church . Read the scriptures as that is God's written word to you. 2 Tim 3:15-17 is a reference to the old testament so start in the old testament and read every word of it. It is far easier to have the Holy Spirit bring your thoughts to a meaningful answer when He prompts your memory recall. You need to be a believer in the Lord as your number one priority ,and belong to a church group that teaches Christ crucified the only hope of redemption.
🌿🌻 Look out for a born again church and become believer following Jesus every step of the way. Jesus said to Nicodemus " You must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God."
@@SonicSnakeRecords Hail Jesus and the Holy Spirit will guide you not the mortal dead mother of Jesus! Not being disrespectful of the mother of our Lord , just pointing out scripturally who we are to follow and who leads us.
@@bobloblawb2593 Yeah, the Blessed Virgin. No Blessed Virgin, No Jesus. Read the Holy Bible carefully. Hail Mary. Hail Mary, full of Grace Luke 1:28 (Hail, full of Grace) The Angel Gabriel greets Mary with very respectful greeting used for royalty. The text doesn’t say “Mary” after Hail but it is implied. Gabriel then proclaims Mary full of Grace (full of God’s own life and love) You need to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit under the Church Jesus instituted. Matthew 16:18-19 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.” How Old Is Your Church? If you are a Lutheran, your Church was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517. If you belong to the Church of England, your Church was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry. If you are a Presbyterian, your Church was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. Influenced by John Calvin, If you are an Episcopalian, your Church was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century. If you are a Congregationalist, your Church was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582. If you are a Methodist, your Church was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744. If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774. If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your sect in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829. If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your faith to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605. If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your Church in New York in 1628. If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865. If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder. If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," "Church of God", your Church is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century. If you are Catholic, you know that the Church of Christ was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church. ⚜️ Hail Mary
Dan C. Yes! In Luke 23:43, Jesus Himself says to one of thieves being crucified at the same time, because He acknowledged the Deity of Jesus and asked that Jesus remember him when He comes into His Kingdom, Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, TODAY”,(not after a certain amount of time of cleansing)...but “TODAY you will be with me in Paradise.” I’m trying to make sense of all this because of a catholic friend’s uncertainty that she’ll go to Heaven. She’s saying things that just don’t make sense.
@@lukenajeeb8255 I say that because the idea of purgatory contradicts Jesus’ sacrifice. I have never heard/read anything that Jesus said that supports such claims. Ex. - The thief on the cross story, Jesus tells him that he will join him in heaven, if purgatory were true wouldnt Jesus have said, “go to purgatory then join me?” Also the idea of purgatory essentially says that Jesus’ sacrifice is not enough.
St. Faustina Kowalska had vision of Purgatory. “[M]y guardian angel… ordered me to follow him,” she wrote in mid-1926. “In a moment I was in a misty place full of fire in which there was a great crowd of suffering souls. They were praying fervently, but to no avail, for themselves; only we can come to their aid.” She got to speak to the souls in Purgatory. “I asked these souls what their greatest suffering was. They answered me in one voice that their greatest torment was longing for God.” Then she saw someone you probably wouldn’t expect. “I saw Our Lady visiting the souls in purgatory. The souls call her ‘The Star of the Sea.’ She brings them refreshment.”
That sounds like a vision straight from Satan. That doctrine implies Jesus sacrifice was not enough for you, you must add to his suffering with your own. This will make you a co redeemer and thus your own god.
@@CP-qn1mn You said it!, she is the new Eve, the coredemer, also Jesus uses the apostles, and all the saints, our relatives in heaven, angels, etc., in order to save all of their children, even you can help Jesus! to save people by preaching his word.
Purgatory proves how much God truly loves us by giving those that repent one final chance of been forever with him. Purgatory is a place where we are only in as much pain of purity that we ourselves require. If we find ourselves in purgatory, then we need to feel blessed beyond imagination.
Purgatory is rarely talked in homily and other catholic topics. As a catholic myself, I just learned the concept of purgatory TODAY and I was horrified. I thought Jesus died for me so I don't have to suffer like I did in this world. But I only panicked for a moment and I realized: I deserve this. I'm already worthless enough but Jesus still died for me. I deserve the pain in purgatory of pay back for my sins and what jesus did for me and I know it's temporary. So brothers and sisters, let us not fear the pain and discomfort of the purgatory. Instead, let's embrace it, for every moment we experience in purgatory bring us closer to God in heaven. Prayers for everyone, Amen.
My friend, purgatory IS NOT BIBLICAL!! What did Jesus tell the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43? He said “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise”. Jesus didn’t say “first you must go through purgatory and then you’ll be with me, no, He said “TODAY you will be with me in paradise”. No such thing as purgatory. It’s all a false doctrine taught by Catholics and it’s sad. This nonsense must be stopped. Christ died for ALL of our sins. Not just “some”, what was the point of Christ coming to die for our sins if we still must go through purgatory?? It makes absolutely 0 sense. And also the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man went to hades and Lazarus went to paradise (Abraham’s bosom at the time). No such thing as purgatory. We will be in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. Please ask the Holy Spirit for more discernment and read the word yourself. Purgatory is false teaching at its finest..
Purgatory is in the Bible. The "word itself" isn't but the concept is mentioned. Jesus tells us we will not enter Heaven until we've paid our dues. We all sin. Saint Paul tells us that nothing which is unclean enters Heaven. We must be purified before entering Heaven. To reduce your suffering, do your penance on Earth. Become a saint.
@@gidave no. You have been deceived unfortunately. Paul said multiple times that he longs to be with Christ. He even talks about a time when he was called up to the third heavens. If he needed to be so called clean, then how did he bypass that and make it to the third heavens? And again, Luke 23:43 debunks that whole claim you just made. Jesus tells the thief on the cross “TODAY you will be with me in paradise”. Stop lying. Purgatory isn’t biblical. Even the story of the rich man and Lazarus we see that the poor man was immediately taken to paradise (Abraham’s bosom at that time). So it’s not biblical. Christ cleansed us with the shedding of His blood. We are literally purified through His blood, so that when we stand before God, we are cleansed. Read Colossians 1:14-16, Galatians 3:13-15, and Hebrews 9:14. Purgatory IS NOT BIBLICAL!
@@gidave also we cannot “pay” our way into Heaven. Pls read the Bible with context and allow the Holy Spirit to help you. You are being deceived my friend. Praying for you
My name is Daniel Christ, I am the adopted son of God. you will be well of this curse by april of next year. follow the rules my brother taught in gallilee of preserving your body and stay strong for us and all the rest of your brothers and sisters and family and friends
I always understood that verse so differently. What we do for the Lord will stand and we will have crowns given to us in heaven, basically the only things that mattered in our lives is what we did for the Lord, and everything else will be burnt up(not in a literal sense) but it won't matter at all.
Well said, Father Mike. And I'm glad you used CS Lewis to further explain the concept, because I always use his rationale when speaking with our Protestant brethren who don't believe in the doctrine of purgatory. Ascension Presents is a great resource! God bless you!
They do! I always encourage them to continue reading more of his works, like The Great Divorce. In many ways, as I'm sure you're well aware, Lewis was Catholic at heart.
4:45 is the most relatable thing ever. Imagine us as humans wanting to go to heaven a place of pureness and no sinfulness, imagine wanting to enter when you are still attached with sins like randomly getting angry at peaple lustful thoughts you don't act on . It's so difficult to be pure of heart almost impossible
You are saved by only the blood of JESUS. THERE IS NI SUCH PLACE AS PURGATORY ! The only place it’s mentioned is the man made catholic catechism. Only by the blood of JESUS will you get to heaven. Mary was a sinner just like everyone else. Nowhere in the divine word of GOD does it say mary was born sinless, Or she was physically transported to heaven. The pagan goddess isis is the queen of heaven that is who you worship as mary. Read the Bible the truth is in there.
Eph 2:1-9 read that and see if you are saved by grace or something you did ? Coll 2:9-15 see what Christ has done for you then tell us how some stain of sin is still attached to you? 1 Cor 6:11 tells you that you WERE , not that you will be You WERE Justified ,Washed, and Sanctified so what sins remain in your life? Jesus has made you clean the moment you repented and started to follow him. God has placed your spirit in the heavenly realm with Jesus . God has placed your spirit ,not your flesh , your spirit with Jesus. The Holy Spirit has sealed you to the day of redemption . Nothing unclean will be in heaven and it is the Lord Jesus who makes you clean . Do you think He would miss cleaning a sin from you? 1 John 2:1
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 God made everything God but the bad( sin) wasn't made by him. Ok let's take for example what if fornicators thieves and other big sinners die without repenting. What do you think, because God saved all thier sins they will go to heaven. While on earth they've been sinning till thier dying breath. Humm I don't think so
Read 2 Maccabees 12:41-46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-16:26, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for purgatorial souls.✝️💕😭
My friend, most of these verses do not show support of this. Hebrews 12:29 says that God is a consuming fire. Nothing of Purgatory my friends. Just one example
Roman Catholicism is an apostate church. It mixes truth and deception. There is no such a thing as purgatory in the new testament. You are either born again or not.
@@dubkodiak6758 “[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. [14] If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” This is the very definition of purgatory, where irrelevant deeds are purged by fire. In essence, purification. Note "If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.".
Hey, I hear and respect your thoughts, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Thank you so much for continually posting such intelligent, clear, kind explanations on topics like this. Whenever I think there's an issue with my faith or don't quite understand something about Catholicism, I often think "I wonder if Fr Mike has something on this?" and often you do! As a new Catholic, I really appreciate it.
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 When we die, we are simply dead or sleeping as Jesus made reference to Lazarus (John 11:11). Come to think of it, did Lazarus go to purgatory, hell or heaven? Neither, purgatory does not exist, people can only reach heaven if their walk is perfect (e.g. Enoch, Elijah) or if they are resurrected (e.g. every true Christian when Jesus comes again) and hell John 5:28-29 says "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the GRAVES shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of LIFE; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of DAMNATION." p.s: Hell is not for eternity, it will not last forever without an end. Eternal fire simply means those experiencing the fire will feel as though it lasts forever. Those in Sodom and Gomorrah suffered eternal fire (Jude 1:7), is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning till today? Also, the soul can die Mathew 10:28.
@@MegaHekima no regular Christian believes in soul sleep, in many parts of the Bible it shows how souls are in heaven with god, soul sleep, I’d say, is a very unbiblical teaching.
Fr. Schmitt, Thank you for this wonderfull purgatory description ! I know you are right on the target. As one whom rebuildes greasy dirty larger mechanical equipment, sometimes I use used parts. Always, used parts are cleaned, important dimensions and surfaces are checked. After acceptance, Spray paint makes all look good, kinda a visual acceptance and final look to mesh with the total machine assembly. We soals all need same. Purification to be in acceptance by Jesus and The Blessed Trinity. I would never go to a party in my grubbies ! Love you !
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture. A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity. let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church. Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die. Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify? Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do. In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin? An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith. Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you? So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary. The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due. So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN." (SIN categorical.) This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness. So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God. That’s the gospel. And that is enough. But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God. Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
I'm not sure what I believe I'm yet, except for this absurd experience called life. What I do know for sure, is that these kinds of beliefs warm my heart in a way, like when I listen to good music. I appreciate you, and hope you find your way in this life.
Hi Ed. May I suggest entering in a personal relationship with Jesus without religion involved just by reading the Gospels and see where this takes you? Maybe you already have and you’re still unsure but it’s worth investing a few months maybe 1 full year reading and seeking those who entered in a relationship with Christ by reading and listening to their stories . For me being a lifelong Catholic has been rewarding in many ways. But being a Jesus follower is the most important commitment and relationship. 🙏
Your comment warmed my heart. 🥰 I agree with the comment to read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John), and ask God, with a humble and open heart, to reveal Himself to you. ❤️🙏🏻 (I’m Protestant, BTW!)
Thank you, Father Mike, for explaining what purgatory is. I am not Catholic and have never quite understood what purgatory is. You really helped me to understand it. Some beliefs that non-Catholics have sometimes made it so hard to believe in your views. I have always been taught that if it's not in the Bible or literal then it's not true. I am sure that even though I am not a bad person I am not good enough to go to heaven. Being cleansed or purified would be a wonderful thing. Thanks again!
Hi Terry Collins, peace be with you. I appreciate non-Catholics having the respect for and openness to other people's faith or beliefs.And I thank you for this respect to our faith. If I may ask or suggest, you may read articles or books on the sacred traditions and the early Church Fathers along with the Holy Bible and some conversion stories like those of Steve Ray, Dr. Scott Hahn, etc. You will further understand the Catholic Faith (Eucharist, Papacy, Infallibility, Purgatory, Confession, Mother Mary, "Born Again" the bible way through water baptism, enlightenment on Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, etc.). I agree that there may be a lot of non-Catholics who love the Lord more than that of the Catholics. I believe that it is just a matter of letting them know the Truth of our Faith along with one's openness and humility to be able to understand and experience the fullness and richness of the Catholic Faith. Thank you my brother in Christ. God bless you.
@Terry Collins. Christ's death was a one time forever blood sacrifice to His Father, where His Father accursed Him with all the sins of the world ( those that happened before Christ death, and those that would occur after His death). Do you think that Christ's sacrifice only got you part of the way in your salvation? Your salvation is a gift of God for those who believe in His Son Jesus Christ. God's salvation plan does not include Purgatory. If you believe in Jesus' death and resurrection, then you are saved and you will go to eternal life when you die. " By Grace you are saved by Faith, this is not from you, it is a gift of God, it is not from works, so no one may boast. For we are His handiwork, created in Jesus Christ for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them." Ephesians 2 8:10 Read The Gospel of John Chapter 3 1:21 Terry, for your own knowledge of God's salvation plan for you, you need to read the New Testament from the beginning to the end and understand Christ's sacrifice and what it means to and for you.
@Juan, please provide the scriptural passages that make you believe in Purgatory? No need to quote Maccabees 43:45 , Matthew 5,v25 as they are both refuted by the NAB Bible. No need to quote the traditions of the early Church Fathers as the remaining books of the New Testament, have no mention of Purgatory. And yes I agree with you that many non catholics christians will be in eternity with catholics as they believe in the same God and the Holy Trinity.
@@billsmith147 that is really the problem if you base everything in the bible.. It is not even in the bible wherein it says everything should be found in the bible.. So i think "bible alone" guys are asserting something that may not be the case.. You may read 1 Cor. 3:11-15. This speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. You can never take away any of the three in understanding the Faith - Bible, Sacred Traditions and Early Church Fathers. Otherwise, one interprets the bible (sola scriptura) in a numerous ways thus having 40,000+ denominations.
@@juanmiguelexaltacion1336 please read the Bible and note that 2 Timothy 3:14-17 says "You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." Do you believe the Bible is not a good enough resource for the purpose Paul said it can be used for?
Thank you, Father. My son had doubts about purgatory until he listened to your great explanation he said it makes much more sense to him now .. He now believes we have purgatory. Thank you again for your more than great explanation..🙏🙏🙏
This is what happens when you listen to someone without looking at the context of the scriptures used to prove purgatory to you! Acts 17:11 is an example that we are to do . Read God's written word for yourself and you will be able to see for yourself if Father Mike is correct or just parroting what the roman Catholic church tells him to say. 2 Peter 2:24 how many sins did Jesus take from you? 1 John 1:9 confess your sins directly to God and what happens? Purgatory sounds good , but is a fabricated lie.
@@bobloblawb2593 The whole Catholic church is a windmill of propaganda and deception. It is all about tithing and money. Every time the coffers ring, a predator priest from purgatory springs....
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
Hey, I hear and respect your point of view, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
For believers, after death is to be 'away from the body and at home with the Lord' (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). Notice that this does not say 'away from the body, in Purgatory with the cleansing fire.' No, because of the perfection, completion, and sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice, we are immediately in the Lord's presence after death, fully cleansed, free from sin, glorified, perfected, and ultimately sanctified.
Eternal father I offer you the most precious blood of thy divine son jesus, in union of the masses said throughout the world today for sinners everywhere, sinners in the universal Church those in my own home and within my family amen.
The prayer to Gertrude....I say this every day, in the morning, in the evening and after I pray the rosary. It is dear to my heart and intentions for the poor souls. Great to find it here from you
(I'm protestant) Before he even mentioned C.S.Lewis I thought of in Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader. The time where Eustace meets Aslan and he transforms him into a boy again. At the end Eustace is good, and described the event as "painful, but a good kind of pain. Like when you pull a thorn out." And this series is an allegory for Lewis's beliefs, So i thought that was interesting. Edit: Just found this video and comment again. I've since come into full communion with the catholic church. :)
@@tonybarron6377 A few words about ashes: Gen. 3:19 (a symbol of death/suffering), Job 42:6 (ashes symbolize repentance from sin), Daniel 9:3 (Daniel, though righteous does penance for the people through fasting, sackcloth, and ashes), Esther 14:1-3 (does penance for her people by putting ashes on her head), 1 Maccabees 3:47 (putting ashes on head for repentance). These are just some of the biblical origins of using ashes on your head to indicate the fact that you're entering into a period of repentance ... such as in Lent. Note, however, that there is no requirement to do this. The Church encourages us to do so but does not require it. I hope this helps. Again, the Church does not require you to pray the rosary; you are not commanded to do so. Many do, as it can be a productive, meditative means to contemplate various mysteries of Christ's life (e.g., the joyous mysteries: the Annunciation, the visitation, the nativity, the presentation in the temple, and the finding of Jesus in the temple). It's just one method of prayer. As for worshiping idols, God strictly forbids it in the first commandment (you shall have no other gods besides Me). As such, the Church forbids it. Adherent Catholics do not worship idols.
KM Thanks for the verses, but no matter what you do until all and all is in Christ, meaning no ashes on the heads for a symbol of repentance, praying to Mary cause she nor them ashes can save you, Review Romans 10:9 that's all you need to be saved, none of that extra vain imaginative self righteousness that are filthy rags before the Lord, faith is the requirement for salvation, Eph 2:8-9 it's by grace through faith and not of works of our own.
Mary " God deserves our perfectly clean heart and soul." that is correct and it is ALL Jesus and nothing of us except to repent and follow Him . Jesus is the one who cleans us completely the moment we repent and we are ready for heaven. There is no purgatory for any type of cleanup.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You preach a false doctrine, false gospel. Jesus says: “If you love Me, keep My commandments … He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” John 14:15-24.
@@SonicSnakeRecords God deserves our perfectly clean heart and soul." that is correct and it is ALL Jesus and nothing of us except to repent and follow Him . Jesus is the one who cleans us completely the moment we repent and we are ready for heaven. There is no purgatory for any type of cleanup. And you find fault with this? Explain where what I have said is wrong.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 But people who still latch onto small sins can't go to Heaven yet. The price we must pay is purification, as that is the only way to pay our debt in the next life.
Please show us in scripture where the believer is subject to pain? If you read God's word and compare them to the words this priest is saying you will find the priest is repeating what he has been taught not what God's word the scriptures tell you. Read Coll 2:9-15 and look for the word punishment?
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture. A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity. let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church. Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die. Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify? Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do. In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin? An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith. Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you? So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary. The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due. So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN." (SIN categorical.) This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness. So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God. That’s the gospel. And that is enough. But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God. Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
@@bobloblawb2593yup Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture. A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity. let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church. Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die. Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify? Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do. In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin? An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith. Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you? So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary. The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due. So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN." (SIN categorical.) This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness. So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God. That’s the gospel. And that is enough. But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God. Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Hey, I hear you… please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
@@davidblack1353 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. The Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. God abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. This is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does. No one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will NOT count his sin. Even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved-through Faith. - And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. So now Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. It is the spirit that transforms you. From within. Everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. Jesus said "If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments.” You WILL. The is w characteristic trait of the legitimate regenerate believer. Further, we are DECLARED righteous. We do not BECOME righteous. the Bible says The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, because they are foolish to him, and he’s not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. In those cases the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. We have to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. So logically if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. As its written The old has passed away and the new has come. So the better news is for our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. So, If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved. With the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. if you have been justified by faith, you have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. now that we’ve been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. So now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit helps us in our weakness because we do not know what to pray for as we should but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And I am pretty darn sure of this, that he who began a good work in us who are saved will bring that work to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Our Death. take refuge in him because I am certain that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. The RCC is in ERROR
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” acts 10 His word is clear, there is no purgatory.
I think Paul was talking about sanctification, within the course of our lives...which can be seen as a burning away of worldly, temporary things and certainly can be painful. The redemptive work of Christ on the cross was complete, and we are covered in His righteousness so that we are blameless before God. Very interesting points and a good explanation of this Catholic teaching- thank you!
@@Woepke-B Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” That’s right brother.
My wife is Catholic I'm Baptist. We both lost her mom & my dad to cancer. I rarely dream but I had terrifying dream one of my daughters was in a place of suffering, my punishment was to see her & not be able to help her. I will continue to pray for both of them & worship Jesus & the Almighty one & only Father God.
There is no suffering in Heaven. When we die (absent from the body) then we are now present with the Lord (in heaven). Do not pass Go and don't collect $200. There is no place where the soul drifts.
He seems like a great man but I humbly ask that you consider the other side of his argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Come on PEOPLE! Why wait for the purgatory? Start purifying yourselveves RIGHT NOW! Trust in God, leave all the things which hold you back, have faith in God and His word only, not anything else. Does anyone think that they can start exercising faith after death? THINK AGAIN! Remember, every day you procrastinate makes anything you want to do harder.
My 92 yr old aunt passed away 2 months ago. She was Catholic all her life and loved especially the Sacred Heart. She wasn’t perfect , far from it . A couple weeks after she passed I was awoken by her spirit in limbo and in agony . I was horrified for 2 reasons : that she was going through this and That I was feeling it ! It took a while to calm myself and go to sleep but I knew the next morning I’d be going to mass and praying for her . I’ve been praying for souls in purgatory ever since.
Jesus Christ said, *"I am telling you the truth, whoever believes in me has eternal life.'* (John 6:47) Remember the one wicked thief on the cross next to Jesus? He asked Jesus to remember him in His kingdom. Jesus answered him, *“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”* (Luke 23:43) The moment a believer in Jesus Christ dies he/she immediately goes to heaven. There is no middle place to go such as a purgatory.
@@salvation4all313 Among those who choose for God are individuals who suffer enough during their earthly lives to atone for their sins-or reach a sufficient level of perfection-to be admitted directly to Heaven, such as St. Dismas (the “good thief”); the rest require varying degrees of purification in a place-or state, you might say- and souls undergo this willingly. No soul can enter Heaven with the slightest stain of sin…how many people, even good ones, die in such a state? The term “ Purgatory” is not in the Bible; it is the name the Church has given to a place of purification for the righteous dead. All Christians believed in the doctrine of Purgatory prior to the Reformation. In 2 Maccabees, we read of the necessity of prayers for the dead…but saints in Heaven have no need of prayer, and the souls of the damned cannot benefit from our prayers; that leaves those who die in the friendship of the Lord, but who need to atone for the sins they died with. After 1,100 years, Purgatory was “cancelled”, and its most definitive supporting biblical text (2 Maccabees) deleted by Protestant Reformers. Consider picking up a book called “Hungry Souls” by Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, in which a Lutheran minister and Purgatory denier is shocked to find himself being visited from souls in that place. Scripture references: 2 Maccabees 12:39-46, I Corinthians 3:11-15, Matthew 12:32, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 6:19-26, Hebrews 12:29, 2 Tim 1:18
@@jmj5388 ...You obviously do not believe the Word of God which states: 'But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, *purifies* us from *ALL* sin.' (1 John 1:7)
@@salvation4all313 That’s a sound byte, taken out of context from 1 John 1: 6 If we say that we share in God's life while we are living in darkness, we are lying, because we are not living the truth. 7 But if we live in light, as he is in light, we have a share in another's life, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say, 'We have no sin,' we are deceiving ourselves, and truth has no place in us; 9 if we acknowledge our sins, he is trustworthy and upright, so that he will forgive our sins and will cleanse us from all evil. 10 If we say, 'We have never sinned,' we make him a liar, and his word has no place in us. * Our Lord’s sacrifice made it POSSIBLE for souls to enter Heaven, because that was not previously permitted. He did His part for our salvation, and we must do ours, through confession, penance and reparation. * For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble-each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (I Corinthians 3:11-15) Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26). For our God is a consuming fire (Heb. 12:29).
So glad it was helpful to you! We have a large backlist of topics so hopefully we can continue to help answer your questions. If you don't see a topic covered just leave a comment with #askfrmike and we will consider it for future vids! Best - The Ascension Press Team
#askfrmike Can you do a video or a series of videos explaining the steps of RCIA and why RCIA exists? Would you also consider doing a video about the Catholic view of Mary? What about a different sort of video where you do a side-by-side comparison with Catholic beliefs on the Eucharist to those shared by some of the main Protestant denominations? I think it'd be cool to see some videos with a balanced Catholic vs. Protestant comparison.
Joachim Rodriguez, read 2 Maccabees 12:43-46, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 and you will see that there is indeed a Purgatory.
I would invite you to also research the wonderful talks of "Fr. Chris Alar / Understanding the faith" from the "Divine Mercy" channel. He jokes that his talks on the tons of topics of the Catholic faith, are like you going to seminary. It is a Cathechesis of sort, with much explanation of why and where it comes from. It might answer may of your questions; just scroll the videos until you find a video that entices you. I will keep you in my prayers that God reveals the fullness of His truth to you on your journey my friend.
Its by GODs grace and what he has done on the cross alone that allows us access to spend eternity with Him. We must accept his Gift of salvation as well as strive to be more like Christ. God knew that we would not be perfect and that we can not walk this walk alone so He sent His Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth.
@@SonicSnakeRecords of course we need to do our part that's common sense we must except what he has done and walking it I never said that we don't do nothing that's why I said we must strive to be what a strive to be mean just to sit there and do nothing
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men "once" to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was "once" offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. You get one chance at this and his name is Jesus, there is no other way or no in between.
This is my feeling exactly. I thought I was strange for preferring to go to the purgatory first, because, after all, it is a learning experience. You can't appreciate the good without going through the "bad" first.
Read the scriptures for yourself and when someone points out a verse that they say means something read the context completely to see if the verse is correctly used. Purgatory sounds plausible when you are given a choice set of verses without context. Purgatory is not real and you either are in Christ and He in you or you are an unbeliever.
Bruce McLaughlin, the Bible says Jesus, God will judge the living & the dead. Not sure what book, chapter, verse but with that said , tell me where the dead are, before God’s judgement?
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
@@paulhaugen1341 The dead soul sleep until judgement. The Bible says “and then the dead in Christ will rise first” when referring to the rapture. There is no purgatory.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 The Bible repeatedly proclaims that Christ washed away our sins on the cross. It is "His" obedience and righteousness that saves us, not "ours". You believe this priest over Scripture? Purgatory would mean that Christ's work on the cross was not finished (Romans 5: 9) (John 19: 30). It is an insult to the cross.
Beautiful. Basically a place to let go of things that hold a place in our hearts that pain and fear in our human condition made us invent....in order to help us cope with this imperfect world. Releasing of false attachments so we can attach to our heavenly Father and Jesus!
In the book The shack, purgatory would be when the man was asked to forgive the murder of his daughter, and his abusive father. The purpose of the purgatory was to bless him and not about hurting him---healing not punishments!
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Hey, I appreciate your comment, but please consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Isaiah 53:4 Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6 We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.… So no there is no punishment for our sins as Jesus has died for every sin we ever committed , or will commit. 1 John 2:2 Any struggles we have will be while we are ali8ve on this planet but not after we die . Purgatory is a false doctrine that denies the Lords words , " It is finished" 1 Cor 6:11 were is the key word here and it is past tense. It happened already and you are now clean to go to heaven .
What was Jesus statement to the criminal who repented on the cross? Tomorrow you will be in purgatory while I reside in paradise? No. The bible mentions purgatory exactly zero times and the bible teaches that no one sin is greater than another. There is no emphasis on purgatory because the bible doesn't teach it. Charlatans teach it. QED.
campsite a Luke 43-48 explains that there are 4 servants and each a different outcome in judgement day. Not 2 but 4. The last two are beaten, but are eventually allowed back in.
Shoes and sandals! (That’s me cursing, sorry! 😩) RUclips offers captions in German but not Portuguese... I know a couple of ppl in Brazil that would greatly benefit from this catechism refresher... 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰 I just lost grandpa, this was quite helpful to me as well... Thank you so much! 🙏🙏🙏
The place is here, the now while we are still alive. The purification process is us living submitted to the Will of God and dying to our fleshly desires. We must be transformed by the renewing of our minds Romans 12:2.
we should begin the purification process here. However, everyone is flawed. No one can understand God perfectly. Purgatory will hurt, but it will be beautiful, because it will bring me into greater purity and oneness with God.
1 John 1: 7 ..the blood of Jesus purifies us from 'all' sin. Hebrews 10:14...For by one sacrifice He has made perfect 'forever' those who are Holy. John 3: 18. "... he that believeth on Him is not condemned". There is no judgement against anyone who believes in Him. All of a believer's sins were judged on the cross. For brevity, I will not list the numerous verses that support this doctrine. So, according to catholics, Jesus didn't quite suffer enough on the cross to get it right the first time. Therefore, we get a second chance after death, and it is the Catholic church, the true church, that gets it right this time, by prayer and tithing for the poor souls that slipped by the grace of Jesus Christ the first time. This is an insult to Jesus. Oscar Myers has a word for this. It is called "baloney".
i have seen that many people is losing their believe with God :( its sad to see terrible things happen and people lose their fate to god ( im saying its good to pray and forgive and forget but times like these were living its really dark and the only way to make it is to believe in God)
This is the only way I have heard purgatory explained that makes sense. My great grandma was Catholic and I was raised in messianic Judaism we had some interesting conversation and I am doing all sorts of thinking now thank you for all the information.
While it is a beautiful thing to pray for those who have passed on or for ANYONE, for that matter, I can’t understand how anyone thinks that the entire system of merit and reward demonstrates love. It demonstrates rigid requirements. Persons who have a variety of different backgrounds (eg trauma and abuse) as well as personality dispositions (eg. some at baseline have anxiety that makes them less tolerant) may find it much harder to live up to certain ideals. I think we can say “For grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. (Eph 2: 8-9) and trust God to help us with any impurities as there is only one thing certain here, we all have imperfections. All of us. And no definition of a loving parent says “Here, spend a few years suffering and you will be finally perfect.” Goodness, God asks us to help and encourage people, draw them to God in love where they will find a God who IS PURE LOVE. This is absolutely incompatible with a harsh and demanding God that won’t be pacified until a certain amount of suffering has occurred.
There is no pacification. It's like addressing past trauma. In order to heal, you must first address and acknowledge the hurt. When my loved ones have passed away, I tend to grieve for a long time, but that grieving is important because it is the path towards healing. The same is true with overcoming addictions. It can hurt to sacrifice the things we desire deeply, but, slowly and over time, by doing so, we can become free. Purgatory will certainly be uncomfortable, but it is not a way to pacify God. Rather, it is a way to heal ourselves, as through therapy, physical therapy, or rehabilitation. And, it is always important to remember, God will not put us through needless suffering or ask us to take up crosses that we can never lift. Only evil does that. I hope that this helps a bit!
@@emmaduerstock3794 Sin is the persons doing. Mostly on purpose. So any sin is his fault there is no getting over any hurt or cleansing in purgatory. We live once and die once. We only have while we live on this earth to be saved. There are no second chances. There is no place for a second chance.
@@bcalvert321 Hi brother, by whose authority do you say such? Have you had discernment? Have you seek the Holy Spirit to conclude such thought? Many saints and holy people had visions and have testimonies about purgatory. So please, as the Bible said, lean not on your own understanding, discern, for us to avoid sins that may offend Jesus. Please don't mislead our brothers. God bless, loves and hugs.🌻
@Nicole Varriano Could you explain to me why I have felt God's peace after recieving catholic holy communion. If you have received (none) catholic holy communion did you feel God's peace, think about it 🤔
@@michaelgrant169 Ive been catholic my whole life and not once have i got anything out of a mass. Im a non denominational christian now and its changed my life.
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture. A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity. let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church. Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die. Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify? Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do. In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin? An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith. Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you? So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary. The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due. So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN." (SIN categorical.) This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness. So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God. That’s the gospel. And that is enough. But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God. Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
I feel my mom is in purgatory because she never loved me or showed me love but apparently her friends claimed she was such a great person, which is shocking to me because growing up with her, I never saw that so called greatness and she treated me like I was some annoying house chore.
I am sure your mother loved you, maybe she was not able to express or show it. God bless you Child of God remember first we belong to God. You were just entrusted to your mom as a gift.
clearly not if he has to defeat death, the devil & purgatory.... LOL (clearly purgatory doesn't exist because it would be mentioned... ONCE if it did... you know to that one criminal on the cross who repented.... wouldnt' jesus say to the other criminal ok if you repent now, maybe 1 year in purgatory .... you know being merciful lol) ... actually wouldn't purgatory negate jesus paying for all the sins of the world? In theory yes it would.
@@campsitez2355 the way I look at it is that YES Jesus paid the price for our eternal salvation so that we can and are purified and forgiven for our sins... and while I'm not entirely sure at this moment it seems like purgatory would be part of that purification that Christ paid for so that we can enter heaven clean because nothing unclean can enter into our Father's heaven. It seems the subject of conflict between those who believe in purgatory and those who don't is if the process in which we are made holy and justified takes place in one instataneous moment when we accept Jesus as our savior or baptized or if purification is a process carried out through out our life as well as possibly in the next.
@@juliancuratolo8928 the bible makes it clear we get new bodies when we go to heaven. the only thing that is impure is our bodies. when we are reborn, we are given a new heart that is pure
Here’s a scripture that says man cannot help redeem another’s man’s soul. Psalm 49:7-9 King James Version (KJV) 7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him: 8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:) 9 That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.
Wow that Super clean. Thanks for sharing this wonderful scripture it should be the number one comment. I'm share this with my catholic father. I love him and want to help him get out the catholic church. Blessing!
I know I’m super late. Purgatory is not an on the fence moment where the prayers of other can help them get into heaven. Purgatory purges us of our sins that we hold onto while in relationship with Christ. Prayers in the regard are for strength during a time of struggle.
I’m protestant. I like reading the apostolic fathers, early church fathers and ecclesiastical writers. True, I feel at odds often with my fellow protestants. But I try to teach to the best of my ability, and I listen to others present their thoughts, so that I can avoid caricatures’s. I really like the idea of purgatory. I can’t understand why protestants have an issue with it. I listen to a 2 1/2 hour discussion by Trent Horn on the subject. It just seems correct. Someone saved at the last hour doesn’t get away with anything. They have not had much time to develop as a proper Christian so they will have time there. it says that Christ burns away all that is not built on him. Where does he do that, and when does he do that, and how long does it take? All of that can be done in purgatory. There’s no doubt that the early church did not have the develop doctrine of the Roman Catholics on this issue. Trent Horn said that but he also said they pretty much all believed prayers for the dead did something or purging was something real. You seem very kind. There’s no doubt I’ll be in purgatory. I welcome it like CS Lewis stated. I want to be clean when I enter heaven. God deserves nothing less.
They have an issue with it because it does not exist and is totally unscriptural. Christ died for once for all, there is nothing any man can do other than put his faith in the completed work of christ. It wasnt even a catholic tradition until the 11th century. It was also the sticking point which stopped the reunification with the eastern orthodox and roman catholics in the 12 to 14 century and to this day
God gives you salvation / eternal life. Jesus dies for all of your sins and atones for all of your sins , 1 Peter 2:24 and you come along and tell us that purgatory which is the final clean up of venial sins has to take place because Jesus missed a few sins?
Well, I can vouch that Ascension Presents listens to topic suggestions. I asked for this one months ago. Overjoyed that they've posted this informative video. Thank you all.
It took us a while but we finally got to it! We know so many of you wanted this video - we wanted to make sure we covered it thoroughly and this video took some preparation. God bless you!
This was very informative of the Catholic view on the subject. However, where in scripture do we see Jesus say there is final purification process before we can enter Heaven. Jesus talks about Heaven and Hell through is ministry but never purgatory or place of final purification. We do read however to a criminal on cross Jesus says in Luke 23 - "Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Where is his purification process if salvation is based of faith and works and not faith alone how Paul says - "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Let me try. First there is Matthew 12:32. Land whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” The age to come is our time after leaving this life. If according to Protestant doctrine everyone is in heaven where no forgiveness is needed or He’ll where none is possible than what is Jesus talking about here? Purgatory. Second, Matthew 18:34 -35. And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So my my heavenly Father will do to everyone of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart. What would we call the place in the next life where you pay your debts? Third, 1 Corinthians 3: 14-15 “If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saves, but only through fire. The state or place through which you are saved though fire…the place where you are purged..Purgatory. Read the parable of the faithful and vigilant servant in Luke 12: 41… one servant is rewarded, one is thrown out into the darkness, but two others are beaten. Where does this temporary punishment take place? Revelations 21: 27 , but nothing unclean will enter it” referring to the City of God” how many of us are holy and unclean when we die? As to your point out the thief being promised paradise. We really don’t know the state of his soul. Of course Christ does. Also we might infer Purgatory as being part of Paradise or that his suffering and good works in this life where sufficient to gain entry directly into heaven. Who was this thief. We don’t know. You completely misinterpret the quote from Ephesians. Paul is not talking about good works such as making sandwiches at the homeless center. He is talking about works of the law, the 613 rules that Jews lived by. I other words you are saved by faith not your customs such as being circumcised. James 2:17 spells it out. “ so faith of itself if it does not have works is dead.
Hey Mike, I appreciate your video on explaining purgatory. I recently read the bible from cover to cover and I have a hard time with the idea of purgatory. I find the early apostles, especially Paul emphasize that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ. - which is a gift of God. We both agree with this, but Catholicism states that you need further purification for venial sin, not mortal sin. You quoted 1 Corinthians 3. I looked over the verses but it doesn’t state that we need further purification after death? In my opinion, Paul is emphasizing that we should build our life on the foundation on Christ, and our works will have eternal consequences. Our good works and our life will be brought to light, and we should build up treasures in heaven not here on earth. To me it seems if the idea of purgatory was really important then it would be very clear in the New Testament about it. Can you please reference more verses in the New Testament about further purification needed after death? Thanks Mike, I hope you don’t mind these questions. God bless!
Me too!!! I have the same question- We get judged and our work is tested, yes, but there is no strong NT reference for purification nor that our prayers can help those who died.
By making up a place called perkatory they are saying that Jesus Christ was not strong enough to cleanse us from all sins Christ was strong enough he forgives all sins you don't need to go to Purgatory there is no such place
@@mildredcook9020 It’s a question of authority. Either the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret scripture or it doesn’t. If not, then the Bible is open to anyone’s interpretation but there is a scripture (2 Peter 1:20) that says it is not. Someone has to have the authority to teach.
@@mildredcook9020 He does cleanse us from all sin. You need to listen to the video again. Father is speaking of the consequences or attachment to sin that needs purified/purification. There’s a difference. Let’s say for example you have an argument with your Mother. You say some ugly things to her, wishing she was dead….something awful. Then, suddenly, you die the next day without making amends or having forgiveness in your heart for her. Now what? You believe you can enter Heaven in that state of un-forgiveness? Yes, God can allow a few minutes before your death for you to have contrition and sorrow….but you will still need to be purified from the effects of that sin ….before you can enter Paradise where “nothing un-clean shall enter.”
@@johnjohng668 what is unclean about the spirit of someone who has been born-again as Jesus explained to Nicodemus? What is unclean about the “new man” that wrestles with the “old man”? Can you (or does the doctrine of purgatory) make an argument for exactly what aspect of a dead human must be purified?
I'm on the fence with a lot of stuff, and so that's why I'm between Anglicanism and Lutheranism. Because I believe a lot of Catholic doctrine, just not enough to be considered one. Great video. This makes a lot of sense.
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points - First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up) - not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9) In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Father Mike, Thank you for taking the time to help all of us understand better with your explanations. I watch your video's and I have to say. I teared up today with this video. So again, thank you for reminding me to be humble.
1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture. A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity. let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church. Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die. Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify? Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do. In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin? An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith. Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you? So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary. The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due. So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN." (SIN categorical.) This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness. So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God. That’s the gospel. And that is enough. But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God. Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
This is the best explanation and argument for purgatory that I've ever heard. I was a Catholic at one time, but never heard to gospel until I took an ailing friend to her Baptist church. I accepted Christ as my Saviour, but have always kinda hoped there was a purgatory for the sake of those who were only half-way there or for those who have never heard the gospel message. I still grapple with these questions. Yes, C. S. Lewis has also been a great help to me. May our Lord bless you and your work!
As a former Catholic who has accepted Jesus myself,I absolutely feel the same way.I know there are good souls who love Jesus and had no exposure to the Good News and I believe in a loving merciful FATHER who must have a place for those loving souls.
@@dieselcowboy777 interesting theory shared by many, some how I don’t think you are God, so I’ll pray you make the cut. You remind me of the self righteous Pharisees who knew all the answers who were usually the bane of Jesus. Mercy will triumph. God’s mind is in fathomable, and yours sounds like it is made up. Best wishes with that one.
This is so very interesting. I have never thought of purgatory as a good thing necessary for our purification. For sure, I need to study more about it and with God's grace come to understand it.
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I’ve listened to about 20 of your videos today. Even my 14 year old was like. “I like this Priest” praise God
He is deceived. There is NO PURGATORY AND all that brutality Jesus did on the cross. HE SAID IT IS FINISHED. ..not middle ground....this man is not of GOD AND HE DOESN'T know the bible is or the holy ghost.....
I have to admit he is a good speaker and he keeps your attention as he speaks but we are to go to the scriptures for our truth not to a man telling you what to believe.1 Peter 2:24 does Jesus miss some sins?
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@@rochelleperry2242 worry about yourself. Stop judging
@@bobloblawb2593 don’t judge him.
This is really helpful - as a non-Catholic I approached with skepticism but it not only makes sense it addresses sin in a way which is logical. The more I learn of Catholicism the more I like it. Thanks!
How was it helpful?
Miriam Reutter - I always thought of it as a tool which Catholics used to control the population and earn money through payment to reduce the sentence in purgatory. This new perspective gives the concept new meaning. The way sin corrupts / spoils makes sense and therefore an account of this helps understand and appreciate the cost of sin, beyond forgiveness.
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I see. I don't know what your theology is, but when a doctrine is formed by human reasoning, it could be spiritually deadly. I am not so much concerned about the money it generates for the church as I am at it destroying God's work of salvation. Think about it, when the reverend says temporal consequence of sin, what does that mean? If it was like for example engaging in immoral acts and getting diseases that end your life prematurely that is a consequence of sin. But to carry that idea into eternity is simply not true. The Biblical examples he gives do not support the idea at all. I think you should visit your own theology about this and also search for debates on this subject before rushing to conclusions.
@ Miriam Reutter - I attend a house group and that was the general conclusion too. It was deemed to undervalue what Christ achieved. Although there was reference to praying for the dead in the Bible so I’m confused on the topic.
I do think sin corrupts more generally - when I reflect on my areas of sin it isn’t something which just appears - it’s gradual and progressive (or rather regressive). These come from my father and I can see them in my son too. I think this is the corrupting affects of sin - it travels through the blood line.
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Andrew, I did not finish my thought because I was typing from my phone. But you raised up an important concern, which is the "generational" sins, that is, when a sin that affects the father also is present in the son and so on. It's a depressing thought. Isaiah tells us Jesus was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities and by his stripes we are healed. As we studied the Bible in our Church, we learnt that transgressions are sins that are visible, Jesus was wounded and bled on outside, He was bruised for our iniquities which are hidden sins that may result from sins of heads of the families or clans, etc. Bruising one bleeds from inside and the Bible tells us by his stripes we are healed. Take into prayer putting this Scripture before the Lord, if it's possible ask the elders or pastors of your group to pray with you to break the curse of the iniquity in your life. It's not easy to break Satan's grip but Jesus delt with that too on the cross. I hope this helps. You are not alone.
My daughters boyfriend was killed about 4 months ago in a horrible accident. I’m praying for him. I’m not sure where he is.
Hey my name Is Elijah a Christian. 1 Corinthians 3 speaks of the works and how the we as Christian’s utilize our gifts for the ministry of God our work for the will of God (the quality of our work). Please friends read the scriptures do research of the people hat is mentioned. It’s so important and most of all pray that God through his spirit will reveal the truth to you.
As a practicing Roman Catholic Father helped me to understand that I need more practice---I remain a work in process.
Blessed be the name of Jesus!
I pray you will find the truth
Roman catholic church.. the biggest pedo .. now hud on .. protection institution in the world !
May I ask Justin why Catholics removed the second of the 10 commandments and why your popes sold forgiveness? How does that sit with you?
Read Exodus 20 and figure out the connection between the 10 Commandments and judgments see if you can decipher...
Dear sir "stop trying and trust christ alone. On the cross he cried out in greek" tetelesti " "it is finished " His redeeming death was more than enough to swash away all sin from a persons life. You can't earn it,inherit it,or work enough for it. Paul said salvation is a "Gift" Do you have to work for your wife to give you a gift on Christmas? No
Purgatory still makes me a bit scared. Some say they believe and some say they don't, and in the end it does not matter if you believe or not if it actually exist. Of course I want to be cleansed of sin and of course I'm nervous about purgatory, I am human, Hoping by the grace of Christ I can be close to Him, do His will, and be with Him in heaven. Thank you for teaching us Father.
You can avoid purgatory by Repentance and living a holy life
If you "don't get it" by the time you are 5 or 6 you are more likely to become a lost soul.
There is no place called purgatory. There is no any other name given among men that we should be saved apart from the name of Jesus.
Purgatory is not real, Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Is not he saying we are saved eternally by the work of Jesus on the cross but we will pay consequences and judgments for how we lived or used what our Father gave us. Which is the judgement seat of Christ-purgatory? We ARE eternally saved once we believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross-judgement seat/purgatory is not a trial to decide if we will be in heaven, but a trial for what kind of rewards we will receive. Our Father wants us to have full assurance in the sacrifice of his son so we can boldly approach him AND go and tell the world about him AND so we can rest in Him-NOW! We either believe that Jesus died on the cross for ALL our sins for eternity and that we will never perish or we don’t. The gospel is to be understood by a child…NOT complicated. Confusion IS NOT OF GOD! Father help us all to trust depend and rest IN you. In Jesus name
Amen
My mother was dying of colon cancer back in 2002. I made a mental promise to make a novena to Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal before - but I had forgotten. At her funeral a pebble fell at my feet from the ceiling- my friend and I had been talking and suddenly this pebble drops from nowhere - we both stopped talking and looked at it. 2 weeks later it was the night before I had to go back to work ( I had taken a leave to care for my mother). At 3AM I heard my mother call my name loud and clear. I got simultaneous information with her voice - that she was young ( about 30 yr old), and I heard a demon yelling/growling in the background. I immediately understood that she was in purgatory. As I left for work a few hours later, I saw a Miraculous Medal sitting right on the doorstep! And then I remembered about my promise to her! I made the Novena for her and never heard anything else after, but I did feel she was at peace.
Purgatory and limbo are real places for the soul!
Pray for your families and friend that have passed - they HEAR our prayers!
Your mom is listening when you pray.
@@unfilteredvoice3535 You have absolutely nothing to base your claims on except imagination!
Try reading the Bible and ask Jesus for understanding of these verses,
Matthew 12:47
“Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.”
Matthew 12:48
“But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?”
Matthew 12:49
“And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!”
Matthew 12:50
“For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
Ephesians 2:8
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
Ephesians 2:9
“Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
It’s the Faith that is the gift of God, it’s quite obvious that the Grace can’t be of yourself, study carefully.
Note the gift “ by Grace”, by Jesus only ,
Romans 5:15
“But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.”
1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Gary - what Bible are you using?
🌿🌻 Purgatory and limbo are not biblical. Pray to the Holy Spirit to enlighten you and read the Bible and the truth therein will set you free of religious beliefs, traditions and rituals.
My dad passed in Dec 2019. Just a few hours before he passed (he was in a semi-coma state) he asked me and my brother to get him his two watches - he proceeded to put his watches on each wrist. We had the sense that he was preparing (cleaning up - dressing nice) to enter. Fr. Mike, thank you for explaining this about purgatory - it's comforting.
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1 John 5 KJV
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 Peter 3 KJV
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Ephesians 1 KJV
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
To bad it's a false gospel.
Purgatory is nowhere to find in the BIBLE ! - it is the false doctrine of Catholicism !
Do not believe that!
Read THE BIBLE- do not believe men- only by reading by yourself you will know if something is true or false ! Roman Catholicism is antibiblical- they DO NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF THE BIBLE !
@@alexanderbrown2717 did you forget 2 Peter 2;24 where our Lord atones for our sins and we do not. Purgatory is us atoning for our venial sins , We do not and can not atone for any sin. God bless you.
@@bobloblawb2593 ♥️all🩸
1 John 1 KJV
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 Peter 1 KJV
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
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2 Corinthians 4 KJV
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Romans 3 KJV
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Or
2 Thessalonians 1 KJV
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord,
And let perpetual light shine upon them.
May the souls of all the faithful departed, by the mercy of God, rest in peace.
Amen.
Amen
Beautiful.
Amen
Amen
I wish that no evil and fire existed. O lord please don’t take any of these people to the fire let them live in your grace
The only reason anyone misses heaven is for rejecting Jesus our Lord and savior. Jesus is the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world which included all yours and mine. Everyone who calls on the name of Jesus gets forgiveness and eternal life John 3:16
@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 Exactly. I just wish more people knew that because I don’t want to see anyone suffer
@@LennonTedesco thanks that’s the gospel of Jesus Christ or the good news to all creation. I’ve subscribed to your RUclips channel and I now have started a youtube channel with 31 videos Kindly subscribe and share and comment and watch in Jesus name Love from Ireland 🇮🇪
So to you justice is just a word ?
@@zaprowsdower Yes you’re right Jesus is the way, the truth and the life no one comes to Father except through Jesus.
2 Corinthians 5:8 "To be absent in the body, is to be present with the lord."
That was true for Paul, but that does not necessarily mean that it is true for everyone. There will be lots of people who go on to be absent from their body but who will not be ushered into the presence of the Lord. So I wouldn't bank on being present with the Lord just because you are absent from your body. I am a protestant seeking to divide the word of God rightly, and I want to turn every leaf and stone to make sure I get it right. This is a great explanation for my, and our, consideration.
@@phillipadams8881 what of those who did not honor God in their lifetime
Phillip Adams what bible verse supports that only some will go to be in the presence of the Lord? Because I do not agree. What Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:8 applies to all who are saved, not some.
@@phillipadams8881 this is one reason that the maccabees is not biblical
Pride does not oppose purgatory - pride invents and imagines purgatory - its worse than bs -
I never thought about purgatory as a gift. Thank you, Father, for helping me understand this doctrine.
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10
The book of Maccabees is before Jesus. We now live under a new covenant where Jesus paid the full price for us to go directly to heaven.
I am new to the Catholic Church and am just starting my RCIA classes. I find it all very interesting and a real eye opener. I want to thank you father Mike for explaining things so clearly, not just on this video but others you have put out. God bless !
Hi Kevin. God bless you and Jesus loves you abundantly. He is the only way, the truth and the life.
get away from catholic teaching as fast as you can. read the new testament, let the spirit of God teach you his word.
@@windyday8598 stopppp. The Old Testament has a TON of great information and insight. Translated from Hebrew scripture, it’s basically a history lesson leading into the New Testament. I’m studying the Book of Genesis. I’m not planning on converting to Judaism. I just love learning the history behind religions, denominations etc.
@@windyday8598 they are new to the Catholic Church. They may find it not to be a good fit, and move over to Christian denomination that better suits, as many Christian’s have. The fact that they found god in the first place, is a good step! Catholics ARE Christian’s as well.
@@YolandaSamone i said nothing against reading the old testament. but, all the mysteries were kept hidden
and were clearly revealed by jesus and his apostles in the new testament. those are not my words.
i was raised catholic. years later i heard the gospel and found jesus, and began to read his word in the N.T.
there is this life, and the life to come, the new jerusalem, or the lake of fire. that's it. jesus suffered and took
the penalty for our sins on the cross. there is no place for the false doctrine of doing time for them in
a made up purgatory. there is nothing we can do to take away the penalty for our sins. when a believer
dies, we are immediately with the Lord, without the body of flesh. i know, read, and have taught from the
old testament for years. it all points to Christ, revealed in the new covenant. what can wash away my sin?
nothing but the blood of Jesus! justified by his blood. saved by his life, in us. born again.
I always thought it was weird how people will condemn belief in Purgatory, but only when it applies to Catholics. Orthodox folks pray for the dead (though avoid the term Purgatory), Jews do as well. This is hardly a Catholic thing. If you've said "Rest in Peace", you've prayed for the dead.
Adam Hovey I would like to know how praying for a person who has died and gone to the Other Side can change anything? What dimension or sphere you find yourself on is a direct result of how you lived your earth life. Saying prayers for someone doesn´t change that. As for resting in peace, nobody is resting. They are very much alive. Do some real research aside from creed and dogma
Because people will do anything to voice their hatred for the truth found only in the Catholic and apostolic church, the church founded by Christ upon the Apostles.
call it purgatory or whatever else you want,it doesn't exist.HEBREWS 9 ;27 " IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE AND AFTER THAT THE JUDGEMENT".
@@teenherofilms Well I absolutely do not believe in purgatory but I do think the bible indicates that our and God's perspective and experience of time are very different. I strongly suspect that a prayer and the results of it are not constrained by our linear perception of the flow of time. That is not to say that an outcome can be changed by praying after the event but rather that the outcome may well have been influenced by the prayer God knew you would pray. Whether this is so or not, prayer is a communication of what is in the heart and as such always has relational meaning and significance. When my Mum passed, I talked to her, I do not know if she could be aware of this or not but I did it anyway on the off chance and I felt a need to commend her to the Lord so I did that as well. Again, I don't know if this was meaningful or a flight of fantasy but I don't care about the theology of it or if I was foolish, I just did it anyway. I am sure God understands where it came from and that's all that matters to me.
@@kenwebster5053 Everyone survives death regardless of religious ideas. I am quite sure it WAS your mum. After.death communications are not rare, here is one from a sailor who went down on the Hood in WW2 via the independent voice medium Leslie Flint, please listen www.leslieflint.com/terry-smith
Ephesians 2: 8-9 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts, but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
Jim McIlvain God’s Grace is His free gift to us. Through faith, we may have eternal life. But our works will determine His judgement:
Also Ephesians, 2:10: “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ for *good works* which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”
Matthew 7:21-23: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who *does* the will of my father in heaven.”
1 John 2:17: “He who *does* the will of God abides forever.”
Matthew 16:27: “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father, with His angels, and then repay every man according to his *deeds* .”
Revelation 20:12: “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And books were opened. Another book was opened called the Book of Life. The dead were judged according to *what they had done* as recorded in the books.”
Our good deeds alone will not “buy” us salvation. We must also have genuine faith. True faith results in a life of good deeds. But it is by God’s Grace that we can be saved at all in the first place. God has all the glory.
This interpretation makes 2 assumptions, first that God gives this gift freely to any faithful, and second that someone in sin has truly given his being to God without actually FAITHFULLY following his word.
Chuck B yes, we will all be judged.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ that everyone may receive the things done in his body *according to that he hath done* whether it be good or bad.
Psalms 9:8 and He shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgement to the people in uprightness.
Matthew 12:36 but I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.
Chuck B The Bible said “Faith WITHOUT works is Dead.” Soooo, we are saved by our Faith in Jesus Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection, BUT without works to show our faith, it is dead faith.
And without faith (live faith) it is impossible to please God.
Soooo... both are important but FAITH saves us.
@@tiffanyvoss3966 it doesn't matter the works, what if someone is poor and they can't feed poor, help the homeless, give money to the church. God will not judge according to works, he would never condemn someone for not doing enough because no one does enough
very good and helpful, I've never understood how my prayers can help for those in purgatory, but I pray for them daily
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
I'm not Catholic, just a non-denominational Christian, but I enjoy watching these videos to learn about Catholicism. I'm still not sure I'm convinced about Purgatory, but I'm still learning. The Bible has a lot to cover, and I've hardly read all of it. Maybe my thoughts will change when I have read all of it (on a reading plan currently). I'll be sure to check out those resources too!
I mostly listen to mike winger for Bible study but I used to be Catholic and I come here to see their view on things and what scriptures they use to back those views. I was a non practicing Catholic so I didn’t know why I believed what I did. Im a born again Christian now so of course now I know why I believe what I believe. I study now. I don’t believe in purgatory. The verses they use don’t have to do with purgatory if you read them in context. Jesus wipes us clean and we are going to heaven through Jesus. Mike winger has an awesome teaching on this. Keep reading the Bible and studying. God will lead you. 😊
Check out Dr Brant Pitre on Catholic productions channel, the video on purgatory in the Bible spoken by Jesus Christ
🌿🌻 Don't jump from the frying pan into the fire. The catholic religion is the religion of the antichrist. Jesus said to Nicodemus that "You must be born again in order to enter into the kingdom of God ". EASY DOES IT ! Pray to God for wisdom and the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth. 🙏
@@cynthiat4087 Purgatory is very real.
There's no such thing as non denominational Christianity. Every church outside of the RCC has been conceptualized and established by a man or a group of men coming to a consensus of doctrine. Even a small protestant based strip mall church planted by one guy who thinks he's got it right according to his own interpretation, is his own denominations. Don't kid yourself.
Hi Father Mike, your teaching has brought me brave to try getting out of my sin once more time! Please pray for me!
Thank you so much Father Mike!!!🙏🏻 I am a Christian Orthodox and I am having this confusion since long time ago! I couldn’t find an explanation why we do memorials ( aside showing our love). In our church we talk about memorials and how important it is to pray for the diseased. We have so many experiences in the church of people that passed away asking their family to help them in the afterlife, or others thanking their families for memorials, prayers, rosary and doing charity for the souls, but no one could really explain why ! I was always thinking, since after death there is not a second chance why do we pray for the diseased??Your video solved my confusion!!! Thank you so much for the amazing videos! You can’t imagine how many times your videos have brought answer and clarity to my questions!!! Your blessings Father!🙏🏻
Hey, I appreciate your comment, but please consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment
directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
@@davidblack1353 Very good points. Paul wrote half of the New Testament. He was the apostle to the Gentiles, yet he never once mentioned prayers for the dead as a "doctrine". The Book of Romans, by itself, tells us everything we need to be saved and become an effective Christian, yet Paul did not mention prayers for the dead as a doctrine in this important book.
The Bible, in its context, repeatedly tells us that "today" is the day of salvation. Do not delay, do not put it off. Then the Catholic church tells us we get a second chance, by purifying certain sins, that Jesus' grace missed the first go round.
I am desiring to convert to the church. This is the first time it was ever explained and made sense. Thank you Father Mike, bless you.
The entire new testament focus is on the Lord Jesus Christ , that is who you should be focused on . Coll 2:9-15 Look at what Jesus has done for the believer? Read the scriptures before listening to any church . Read the scriptures as that is God's written word to you. 2 Tim 3:15-17 is a reference to the old testament so start in the old testament and read every word of it. It is far easier to have the Holy Spirit bring your thoughts to a meaningful answer when He prompts your memory recall.
You need to be a believer in the Lord as your number one priority ,and belong to a church group that teaches Christ crucified the only hope of redemption.
🌿🌻 Look out for a born again church and become believer following Jesus every step of the way. Jesus said to Nicodemus " You must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God."
⚜️Hail Mary
May Our Lady guide you.
@@SonicSnakeRecords Hail Jesus and the Holy Spirit will guide you not the mortal dead mother of Jesus! Not being disrespectful of the mother of our Lord , just pointing out scripturally who we are to follow and who leads us.
@@bobloblawb2593 Yeah, the Blessed Virgin.
No Blessed Virgin, No Jesus.
Read the Holy Bible carefully.
Hail Mary.
Hail Mary, full of Grace
Luke 1:28 (Hail, full of Grace) The Angel Gabriel greets Mary with very respectful greeting used for royalty. The text doesn’t say “Mary” after Hail but it is implied. Gabriel then proclaims Mary full of Grace (full of God’s own life and love)
You need to follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit under the Church Jesus instituted.
Matthew 16:18-19
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.”
How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your Church was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.
If you belong to the Church of England, your Church was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.
If you are a Presbyterian, your Church was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560. Influenced by John Calvin,
If you are an Episcopalian, your Church was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.
If you are a Congregationalist, your Church was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.
If you are a Methodist, your Church was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.
If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.
If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your sect in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.
If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your faith to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.
If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your Church in New York in 1628.
If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.
If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.
If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel," "Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," "Church of God", your Church is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
If you are Catholic, you know that the Church of Christ was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
⚜️ Hail Mary
Yes, Purgatory IS a gift of God's mercy!
@Dan C. Did you watch the video? Fr. Schmitz quotes Paul...
False
Dan C. Yes! In Luke 23:43, Jesus Himself says to one of thieves being crucified at the same time, because He acknowledged the Deity of Jesus and asked that Jesus remember him when He comes into His Kingdom, Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, TODAY”,(not after a certain amount of time of cleansing)...but “TODAY you will be with me in Paradise.” I’m trying to make sense of all this because of a catholic friend’s uncertainty that she’ll go to Heaven. She’s saying things that just don’t make sense.
@@lukenajeeb8255 I say that because the idea of purgatory contradicts Jesus’ sacrifice. I have never heard/read anything that Jesus said that supports such claims. Ex. - The thief on the cross story, Jesus tells him that he will join him in heaven, if purgatory were true wouldnt Jesus have said, “go to purgatory then join me?” Also the idea of purgatory essentially says that Jesus’ sacrifice is not enough.
GRACE IS GOD'S GIFT OF MERCY.....NOT PURGATORY
St. Faustina Kowalska had vision of Purgatory. “[M]y guardian angel… ordered me to follow him,” she wrote in mid-1926. “In a moment I was in a misty place full of fire in which there was a great crowd of suffering souls. They were praying fervently, but to no avail, for themselves; only we can come to their aid.”
She got to speak to the souls in Purgatory. “I asked these souls what their greatest suffering was. They answered me in one voice that their greatest torment was longing for God.”
Then she saw someone you probably wouldn’t expect. “I saw Our Lady visiting the souls in purgatory. The souls call her ‘The Star of the Sea.’ She brings them refreshment.”
Amen
That sounds like a vision straight from Satan. That doctrine implies Jesus sacrifice was not enough for you, you must add to his suffering with your own. This will make you a co redeemer and thus your own god.
@@CP-qn1mn You said it!, she is the new Eve, the coredemer, also Jesus uses the apostles, and all the saints, our relatives in heaven, angels, etc., in order to save all of their children, even you can help Jesus! to save people by preaching his word.
This is unbiblical....the enemy is trying to deceive you.
Purgatory proves how much God truly loves us by giving those that repent one final chance of been forever with him. Purgatory is a place where we are only in as much pain of purity that we ourselves require. If we find ourselves in purgatory, then we need to feel blessed beyond imagination.
Purgatory is rarely talked in homily and other catholic topics. As a catholic myself, I just learned the concept of purgatory TODAY and I was horrified. I thought Jesus died for me so I don't have to suffer like I did in this world. But I only panicked for a moment and I realized: I deserve this. I'm already worthless enough but Jesus still died for me. I deserve the pain in purgatory of pay back for my sins and what jesus did for me and I know it's temporary.
So brothers and sisters, let us not fear the pain and discomfort of the purgatory. Instead, let's embrace it, for every moment we experience in purgatory bring us closer to God in heaven. Prayers for everyone, Amen.
My friend, purgatory IS NOT BIBLICAL!! What did Jesus tell the thief on the cross in Luke 23:43? He said “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise”. Jesus didn’t say “first you must go through purgatory and then you’ll be with me, no, He said “TODAY you will be with me in paradise”. No such thing as purgatory. It’s all a false doctrine taught by Catholics and it’s sad. This nonsense must be stopped. Christ died for ALL of our sins. Not just “some”, what was the point of Christ coming to die for our sins if we still must go through purgatory?? It makes absolutely 0 sense. And also the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man went to hades and Lazarus went to paradise (Abraham’s bosom at the time). No such thing as purgatory. We will be in paradise when we leave our earthly bodies. Please ask the Holy Spirit for more discernment and read the word yourself. Purgatory is false teaching at its finest..
Purgatory is in the Bible. The "word itself" isn't but the concept is mentioned. Jesus tells us we will not enter Heaven until we've paid our dues. We all sin. Saint Paul tells us that nothing which is unclean enters Heaven. We must be purified before entering Heaven. To reduce your suffering, do your penance on Earth. Become a saint.
@@gidave no. You have been deceived unfortunately. Paul said multiple times that he longs to be with Christ. He even talks about a time when he was called up to the third heavens. If he needed to be so called clean, then how did he bypass that and make it to the third heavens? And again, Luke 23:43 debunks that whole claim you just made. Jesus tells the thief on the cross “TODAY you will be with me in paradise”. Stop lying. Purgatory isn’t biblical. Even the story of the rich man and Lazarus we see that the poor man was immediately taken to paradise (Abraham’s bosom at that time). So it’s not biblical. Christ cleansed us with the shedding of His blood. We are literally purified through His blood, so that when we stand before God, we are cleansed. Read Colossians 1:14-16, Galatians 3:13-15, and Hebrews 9:14. Purgatory IS NOT BIBLICAL!
@@gidave also we cannot “pay” our way into Heaven. Pls read the Bible with context and allow the Holy Spirit to help you. You are being deceived my friend. Praying for you
O Lord Jesus, purify this damned world and purify me with it...so I can love this world and love myself in it...Amen!!!
@Mrkleptonic Amen!
My name is Daniel Christ, I am the adopted son of God. you will be well of this curse by april of next year. follow the rules my brother taught in gallilee of preserving your body and stay strong for us and all the rest of your brothers and sisters and family and friends
I always understood that verse so differently. What we do for the Lord will stand and we will have crowns given to us in heaven, basically the only things that mattered in our lives is what we did for the Lord, and everything else will be burnt up(not in a literal sense) but it won't matter at all.
Well said, Father Mike. And I'm glad you used CS Lewis to further explain the concept, because I always use his rationale when speaking with our Protestant brethren who don't believe in the doctrine of purgatory. Ascension Presents is a great resource! God bless you!
Sanctus That was an interesting point to me as well. Many of my Protestant friends look up to C.S. Lewis.
They do! I always encourage them to continue reading more of his works, like The Great Divorce. In many ways, as I'm sure you're well aware, Lewis was Catholic at heart.
Matthew 23:9: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Why do protestants divorce and remarry when divorce is not allowed?
4:45 is the most relatable thing ever. Imagine us as humans wanting to go to heaven a place of pureness and no sinfulness, imagine wanting to enter when you are still attached with sins like randomly getting angry at peaple lustful thoughts you don't act on . It's so difficult to be pure of heart almost impossible
You are saved by only the blood of JESUS.
THERE IS NI SUCH PLACE AS PURGATORY !
The only place it’s mentioned is the man made catholic catechism.
Only by the blood of JESUS will you get to heaven.
Mary was a sinner just like everyone else.
Nowhere in the divine word of GOD does it say mary was born sinless,
Or she was physically transported to heaven.
The pagan goddess isis is the queen of heaven that is who you worship as mary.
Read the Bible the truth is in there.
@@savedbygrace8337 Amen!
Eph 2:1-9 read that and see if you are saved by grace or something you did ? Coll 2:9-15 see what Christ has done for you then tell us how some stain of sin is still attached to you? 1 Cor 6:11 tells you that you WERE , not that you will be You WERE Justified ,Washed, and Sanctified so what sins remain in your life? Jesus has made you clean the moment you repented and started to follow him. God has placed your spirit in the heavenly realm with Jesus . God has placed your spirit ,not your flesh , your spirit with Jesus. The Holy Spirit has sealed you to the day of redemption .
Nothing unclean will be in heaven and it is the Lord Jesus who makes you clean . Do you think He would miss cleaning a sin from you? 1 John 2:1
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 God made everything God but the bad( sin) wasn't made by him. Ok let's take for example what if fornicators thieves and other big sinners die without repenting. What do you think, because God saved all thier sins they will go to heaven. While on earth they've been sinning till thier dying breath. Humm I don't think so
What's funny is, you are not Catholics but it's always u guys on the comment section of Catholic videos. Not trying to be rude, just saying 🙂
Read 2 Maccabees 12:41-46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 16:19-16:26, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-3:15 and Hebrews 12:29 as support for prayer for purgatorial souls.✝️💕😭
My friend, most of these verses do not show support of this. Hebrews 12:29 says that God is a consuming fire. Nothing of Purgatory my friends. Just one example
out of context
purgatory not exist
Roman Catholicism is an apostate church. It mixes truth and deception. There is no such a thing as purgatory in the new testament. You are either born again or not.
@@dubkodiak6758 “[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. [14] If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.”
This is the very definition of purgatory, where irrelevant deeds are purged by fire. In essence, purification. Note "If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.".
@po18guy 🌿🌻 No pride involved. Purgatory is not in the bible
Wow you explained that cleansing concept in such a beautiful and touching way.
Hey, I hear and respect your thoughts, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Thank you so much for continually posting such intelligent, clear, kind explanations on topics like this. Whenever I think there's an issue with my faith or don't quite understand something about Catholicism, I often think "I wonder if Fr Mike has something on this?" and often you do! As a new Catholic, I really appreciate it.
So glad!
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
When we die, we are simply dead or sleeping as Jesus made reference to Lazarus (John 11:11). Come to think of it, did Lazarus go to purgatory, hell or heaven?
Neither, purgatory does not exist, people can only reach heaven if their walk is perfect (e.g. Enoch, Elijah) or if they are resurrected (e.g. every true Christian when Jesus comes again) and hell John 5:28-29 says "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the GRAVES shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of LIFE; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of DAMNATION."
p.s: Hell is not for eternity, it will not last forever without an end. Eternal fire simply means those experiencing the fire will feel as though it lasts forever. Those in Sodom and Gomorrah suffered eternal fire (Jude 1:7), is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning till today? Also, the soul can die Mathew 10:28.
@@MegaHekima no regular Christian believes in soul sleep, in many parts of the Bible it shows how souls are in heaven with god, soul sleep, I’d say, is a very unbiblical teaching.
@@MegaHekima also, Ecclesiastes is part of the Old Testament, before Jesus sacrificed himself for our sins, and before he let us become like him.
Fr. Schmitt, Thank you for this wonderfull purgatory description ! I know you are right on the target.
As one whom rebuildes greasy dirty larger mechanical equipment, sometimes I use used parts. Always, used parts are cleaned, important dimensions and surfaces are checked. After acceptance, Spray paint makes all look good, kinda a visual acceptance and final look to mesh with the total machine assembly.
We soals all need same. Purification to be in acceptance by Jesus and The Blessed Trinity.
I would never go to a party in my grubbies !
Love you !
The Holy Spirit spoke to me through this message. Thank you so much Father
If you actually heard from the Holy Spirit, He would tell you to leave the Catholic Church now. This is Satan’s church!!
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture.
A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity.
let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church.
Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die.
Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify?
Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin?
An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith.
Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you?
So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary.
The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due.
So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN."
(SIN categorical.)
This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness.
So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God.
That’s the gospel. And that is enough.
But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God.
Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
I'm not sure what I believe I'm yet, except for this absurd experience called life. What I do know for sure, is that these kinds of beliefs warm my heart in a way, like when I listen to good music. I appreciate you, and hope you find your way in this life.
Unless you are born again you cannot get into Heaven.
Hi Ed. May I suggest entering in a personal relationship with Jesus without religion involved just by reading the Gospels and see where this takes you? Maybe you already have and you’re still unsure but it’s worth investing a few months maybe 1 full year reading and seeking those who entered in a relationship with Christ by reading and listening to their stories . For me being a lifelong Catholic has been rewarding in many ways. But being a Jesus follower is the most important commitment and relationship. 🙏
Your comment warmed my heart. 🥰 I agree with the comment to read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John), and ask God, with a humble and open heart, to reveal Himself to you. ❤️🙏🏻 (I’m Protestant, BTW!)
A slap on the wrist, 40 lashes with a wet noodle.
@@tommy.1002 John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Thank you, Father Mike, for explaining what purgatory is. I am not Catholic and have never quite understood what purgatory is. You really helped me to understand it. Some beliefs that non-Catholics have sometimes made it so hard to believe in your views. I have always been taught that if it's not in the Bible or literal then it's not true. I am sure that even though I am not a bad person I am not good enough to go to heaven. Being cleansed or purified would be a wonderful thing. Thanks again!
Hi Terry Collins, peace be with you. I appreciate non-Catholics having the respect for and openness to other people's faith or beliefs.And I thank you for this respect to our faith. If I may ask or suggest, you may read articles or books on the sacred traditions and the early Church Fathers along with the Holy Bible and some conversion stories like those of Steve Ray, Dr. Scott Hahn, etc. You will further understand the Catholic Faith (Eucharist, Papacy, Infallibility, Purgatory, Confession, Mother Mary, "Born Again" the bible way through water baptism, enlightenment on Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura, etc.). I agree that there may be a lot of non-Catholics who love the Lord more than that of the Catholics. I believe that it is just a matter of letting them know the Truth of our Faith along with one's openness and humility to be able to understand and experience the fullness and richness of the Catholic Faith. Thank you my brother in Christ. God bless you.
@Terry Collins. Christ's death was a one time forever blood sacrifice to His Father, where His Father accursed Him with all the sins of the world ( those that happened before Christ death, and those that would occur after His death). Do you think that Christ's sacrifice only got you part of the way in your salvation? Your salvation is a gift of God for those who believe in His Son Jesus Christ. God's salvation plan does not include Purgatory.
If you believe in Jesus' death and resurrection, then you are saved and you will go to eternal life when you die. " By Grace you are saved by Faith, this is not from you, it is a gift of God, it is not from works, so no one may boast. For we are His handiwork, created in Jesus Christ for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them." Ephesians 2 8:10
Read The Gospel of John Chapter 3 1:21
Terry, for your own knowledge of God's salvation plan for you, you need to read the New Testament from the beginning to the end and understand Christ's sacrifice and what it means to and for you.
@Juan, please provide the scriptural passages that make you believe in Purgatory? No need to quote Maccabees 43:45 , Matthew 5,v25 as they are both refuted by the NAB Bible. No need to quote the traditions of the early Church Fathers as the remaining books of the New Testament, have no mention of Purgatory.
And yes I agree with you that many non catholics christians will be in eternity with catholics as they believe in the same God and the Holy Trinity.
@@billsmith147 that is really the problem if you base everything in the bible.. It is not even in the bible wherein it says everything should be found in the bible.. So i think "bible alone" guys are asserting something that may not be the case.. You may read 1 Cor. 3:11-15. This speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. You can never take away any of the three in understanding the Faith - Bible, Sacred Traditions and Early Church Fathers. Otherwise, one interprets the bible (sola scriptura) in a numerous ways thus having 40,000+ denominations.
@@juanmiguelexaltacion1336 please read the Bible and note that 2 Timothy 3:14-17 says
"You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
Do you believe the Bible is not a good enough resource for the purpose Paul said it can be used for?
Thank you, Father. My son had doubts about purgatory until he listened to your great explanation he said it makes much more sense to him now .. He now believes we have purgatory. Thank you again for your more than great explanation..🙏🙏🙏
This is what happens when you listen to someone without looking at the context of the scriptures used to prove purgatory to you! Acts 17:11 is an example that we are to do . Read God's written word for yourself and you will be able to see for yourself if Father Mike is correct or just parroting what the roman Catholic church tells him to say. 2 Peter 2:24 how many sins did Jesus take from you? 1 John 1:9 confess your sins directly to God and what happens? Purgatory sounds good , but is a fabricated lie.
Matthew 23:9: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
@@bobloblawb2593 The whole Catholic church is a windmill of propaganda and deception. It is all about tithing and money. Every time the coffers ring, a predator priest from purgatory springs....
Lord Jesus please purify my soul. I am sorry and I repent of all my sins. Please forgive me Lord. I accept your mercy and love you!
You explained it so well Fr.Mike! thank you, God bless you and I pray you have many many more years to bring more people closer to God. thank you
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
i don't necessarily agree with him but it's really refreshing that someone shares or explains their faith in a calm manner
Thank you for clearing this up, Father Mike. Far too few Catholics truly understand Purgatory.
Hey, I hear and respect your point of view, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
For believers, after death is to be 'away from the body and at home with the Lord'
(2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23).
Notice that this does not say 'away from the body, in Purgatory with the cleansing fire.' No, because of the perfection, completion, and sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice, we are immediately in the Lord's presence after death, fully cleansed, free from sin, glorified, perfected, and ultimately sanctified.
It says "away from the body", which means without a flesh and blood body. When you leave the earthly body, you still have your spirit.
So is there purgatory?
how about your ancestors who died in paganism. and who died in sin... .
The Lord is present in Purgatory.
@@musclemilk1880 Yes
Eternal father I offer you the most precious blood of thy divine son jesus, in union of the masses said throughout the world today for sinners everywhere, sinners in the universal Church those in my own home and within my family amen.
Divine Mercy, I trust in You!
Aidtom amen
@@vanodiate9731 amen to you and your family.
The prayer to Gertrude....I say this every day, in the morning, in the evening and after I pray the rosary. It is dear to my heart and intentions for the poor souls. Great to find it here from you
@@antonioborriello5287 hopefully by putting this prayer up I have helped many souls in need of prayer God bless us all.
(I'm protestant) Before he even mentioned C.S.Lewis I thought of in Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader. The time where Eustace meets Aslan and he transforms him into a boy again. At the end Eustace is good, and described the event as "painful, but a good kind of pain. Like when you pull a thorn out." And this series is an allegory for Lewis's beliefs, So i thought that was interesting.
Edit: Just found this video and comment again. I've since come into full communion with the catholic church. :)
Therealdale my point exactly.
@Therealdale
Were in the Bible does God's word tell us to put ashes on our head and pray to rosary and worship idols?
@Dan C.
That's right amen.
@@tonybarron6377 A few words about ashes: Gen. 3:19 (a symbol of death/suffering), Job 42:6 (ashes symbolize repentance from sin), Daniel 9:3 (Daniel, though righteous does penance for the people through fasting, sackcloth, and ashes), Esther 14:1-3 (does penance for her people by putting ashes on her head), 1 Maccabees 3:47 (putting ashes on head for repentance). These are just some of the biblical origins of using ashes on your head to indicate the fact that you're entering into a period of repentance ... such as in Lent. Note, however, that there is no requirement to do this. The Church encourages us to do so but does not require it. I hope this helps.
Again, the Church does not require you to pray the rosary; you are not commanded to do so. Many do, as it can be a productive, meditative means to contemplate various mysteries of Christ's life (e.g., the joyous mysteries: the Annunciation, the visitation, the nativity, the presentation in the temple, and the finding of Jesus in the temple). It's just one method of prayer.
As for worshiping idols, God strictly forbids it in the first commandment (you shall have no other gods besides Me). As such, the Church forbids it. Adherent Catholics do not worship idols.
KM
Thanks for the verses, but no matter what you do until all and all is in Christ, meaning no ashes on the heads for a symbol of repentance, praying to Mary cause she nor them ashes can save you, Review Romans 10:9 that's all you need to be saved, none of that extra vain imaginative self righteousness that are filthy rags before the Lord, faith is the requirement for salvation, Eph 2:8-9 it's by grace through faith and not of works of our own.
Father Mike is the Best! I had the pleasure to hear & see him in St. Louis. Was an awesome evening hearing his message. God bless this awesome Priest!
Actually, Fr. Mike, you explained it well!!!! Thank you!!!! God deserves our perfectly clean heart and soul.
Mary " God deserves our perfectly clean heart and soul."
that is correct and it is ALL Jesus and nothing of us except to repent and follow Him . Jesus is the one who cleans us completely the moment we repent and we are ready for heaven. There is no purgatory for any type of cleanup.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 You preach a false doctrine, false gospel.
Jesus says: “If you love Me, keep My commandments … He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.” John 14:15-24.
@@SonicSnakeRecords God deserves our perfectly clean heart and soul."
that is correct and it is ALL Jesus and nothing of us except to repent and follow Him . Jesus is the one who cleans us completely the moment we repent and we are ready for heaven. There is no purgatory for any type of cleanup.
And you find fault with this? Explain where what I have said is wrong.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 But people who still latch onto small sins can't go to Heaven yet. The price we must pay is purification, as that is the only way to pay our debt in the next life.
What’s the hardest and most difficult thing for me is the fact that their is sever pain. This pain being necessary brings about fear
Please show us in scripture where the believer is subject to pain?
If you read God's word and compare them to the words this priest is saying you will find the priest is repeating what he has been taught not what God's word the scriptures tell you. Read Coll 2:9-15 and look for the word punishment?
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture.
A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity.
let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church.
Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die.
Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify?
Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin?
An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith.
Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you?
So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary.
The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due.
So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN."
(SIN categorical.)
This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness.
So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God.
That’s the gospel. And that is enough.
But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God.
Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
@@bobloblawb2593yup
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture.
A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity.
let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church.
Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die.
Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify?
Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin?
An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith.
Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you?
So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary.
The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due.
So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN."
(SIN categorical.)
This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness.
So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God.
That’s the gospel. And that is enough.
But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God.
Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Hey, I hear you… please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
@@davidblack1353 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. The Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. God abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us. This is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.
No one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will NOT count his sin. Even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved-through Faith. - And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
So now Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. It is the spirit that transforms you. From within. Everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. Jesus said "If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments.” You WILL. The is w characteristic trait of the legitimate regenerate believer.
Further, we are DECLARED righteous. We do not BECOME righteous.
the Bible says The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, because they are foolish to him, and he’s not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. In those cases the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
We have to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus is accursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except in the Holy Spirit. So logically if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. As its written The old has passed away and the new has come.
So the better news is for our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
So, If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved. With the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
if you have been justified by faith, you have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. now that we’ve been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
So now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The Spirit helps us in our weakness because we do not know what to pray for as we should but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And I am pretty darn sure of this, that he who began a good work in us who are saved will bring that work to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Our Death.
take refuge in him because I am certain that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The RCC is in ERROR
This was helpful. I'm protestant but also hold a lot of catholic beliefs, like purgatory. Thank you for the video.
same boat
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” acts 10
His word is clear, there is no purgatory.
I cried. This faith is so beautiful
I think Paul was talking about sanctification, within the course of our lives...which can be seen as a burning away of worldly, temporary things and certainly can be painful. The redemptive work of Christ on the cross was complete, and we are covered in His righteousness so that we are blameless before God. Very interesting points and a good explanation of this Catholic teaching- thank you!
Purgatory is Gods gift for his mercy endures forever. Thanks Fr. u explained it clearly💓
Because the Bible doesn't? ever wondered why?
@@Woepke-B Revelation 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
That’s right brother.
@@Kevin-nr9hp Indeed, don't put purgatory in, when it never was in the Bible...
@@Woepke-B the Bible was never in the Bible 😬
@@alejandrovargas2180 What you meant to say was: The Bible never was in purgatory... yes, I know!
My wife is Catholic I'm Baptist. We both lost her mom & my dad to cancer. I rarely dream but I had terrifying dream one of my daughters was in a place of suffering, my punishment was to see her & not be able to help her. I will continue to pray for both of them & worship Jesus & the Almighty one & only Father God.
Hope that doesn’t happen pray pray! God always hears!
There is no suffering in Heaven. When we die (absent from the body) then we are now present with the Lord (in heaven). Do not pass Go and don't collect $200. There is no place where the soul drifts.
Thank you, Father Mike. I love the way you explain things. I think you are wonderful!
He seems like a great man but I humbly ask that you consider the other side of his argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Come on PEOPLE! Why wait for the purgatory? Start purifying yourselveves RIGHT NOW!
Trust in God, leave all the things which hold you back, have faith in God and His word only, not anything else.
Does anyone think that they can start exercising faith after death? THINK AGAIN!
Remember, every day you procrastinate makes anything you want to do harder.
impossible!
I'm catholic you maybe right,..
Your decieved
My 92 yr old aunt passed away 2 months ago. She was Catholic all her life and loved especially the Sacred Heart. She wasn’t perfect , far from it .
A couple weeks after she passed I was awoken by her spirit in limbo and in agony . I was horrified for 2 reasons : that she was going through this and That I was feeling it ! It took a while to calm myself and go to sleep but I knew the next morning I’d be going to mass and praying for her . I’ve been praying for souls in purgatory ever since.
Have a few announced Masses offered for her. That is the best thing for her and for every soul in Purgatory.
Jesus Christ said, *"I am telling you the truth, whoever believes in me has eternal life.'* (John 6:47)
Remember the one wicked thief on the cross next to Jesus? He asked Jesus to remember him in His kingdom.
Jesus answered him, *“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”* (Luke 23:43)
The moment a believer in Jesus Christ dies he/she immediately goes to heaven. There is no middle place to go such as a purgatory.
@@salvation4all313 Among those who choose for God are individuals who suffer enough during their earthly lives to atone for their sins-or reach a sufficient level of perfection-to be admitted directly to Heaven, such as St. Dismas (the “good thief”); the rest require varying degrees of purification in a place-or state, you might say- and souls undergo this willingly. No soul can enter Heaven with the slightest stain of sin…how many people, even good ones, die in such a state?
The term “ Purgatory” is not in the Bible; it is the name the Church has given to a place of purification for the righteous dead. All Christians believed in the doctrine of Purgatory prior to the Reformation.
In 2 Maccabees, we read of the necessity of prayers for the dead…but saints in Heaven have no need of prayer, and the souls of the damned cannot benefit from our prayers; that leaves those who die in the friendship of the Lord, but who need to atone for the sins they died with. After 1,100 years, Purgatory was “cancelled”, and its most definitive supporting biblical text (2 Maccabees) deleted by Protestant Reformers.
Consider picking up a book called “Hungry Souls” by Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg, in which a Lutheran minister and Purgatory denier is shocked to find himself being visited from souls in that place.
Scripture references:
2 Maccabees 12:39-46, I Corinthians 3:11-15, Matthew 12:32, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 6:19-26, Hebrews 12:29, 2 Tim 1:18
@@jmj5388 ...You obviously do not believe the Word of God which states:
'But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, *purifies* us from *ALL* sin.' (1 John 1:7)
@@salvation4all313 That’s a sound byte, taken out of context from 1 John 1:
6 If we say that we share in God's life while we are living in darkness, we are lying, because we are not living the truth.
7 But if we live in light, as he is in light, we have a share in another's life, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say, 'We have no sin,' we are deceiving ourselves, and truth has no place in us;
9 if we acknowledge our sins, he is trustworthy and upright, so that he will forgive our sins and will cleanse us from all evil.
10 If we say, 'We have never sinned,' we make him a liar, and his word has no place in us.
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Our Lord’s sacrifice made it POSSIBLE for souls to enter Heaven, because that was not previously permitted. He did His part for our salvation, and we must do ours, through confession, penance and reparation.
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For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble-each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (I Corinthians 3:11-15)
Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26).
For our God is a consuming fire (Heb. 12:29).
I'm discerning conversion and this video helped a lot in covering some of the questions about purgatory that I had.
So glad it was helpful to you! We have a large backlist of topics so hopefully we can continue to help answer your questions. If you don't see a topic covered just leave a comment with #askfrmike and we will consider it for future vids! Best - The Ascension Press Team
#askfrmike Can you do a video or a series of videos explaining the steps of RCIA and why RCIA exists? Would you also consider doing a video about the Catholic view of Mary? What about a different sort of video where you do a side-by-side comparison with Catholic beliefs on the Eucharist to those shared by some of the main Protestant denominations? I think it'd be cool to see some videos with a balanced Catholic vs. Protestant comparison.
there is no purgatory!
Joachim Rodriguez, read 2 Maccabees 12:43-46, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 12:58-59, and 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 and you will see that there is indeed a Purgatory.
I would invite you to also research the wonderful talks of "Fr. Chris Alar / Understanding the faith" from the "Divine Mercy" channel. He jokes that his talks on the tons of topics of the Catholic faith, are like you going to seminary. It is a Cathechesis of sort, with much explanation of why and where it comes from. It might answer may of your questions; just scroll the videos until you find a video that entices you. I will keep you in my prayers that God reveals the fullness of His truth to you on your journey my friend.
I want to go straight to heaven, no stopping on the way 🙏🙏🙏
No one is pure enough to go directly to heaven. Everyone has sin on their soul.
Just try to live a honorable decent life. To Iessen the pain
Thank you for your explanation in its most simple terms, Father. Your point of view adds much to my studies.
@S M ⚜️Hail Mary
Everything taught by the Roman Catholic Church is rooted in Scripture, following the commands of Christ.
Matthew 23:9: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Coming home soon. Thanks Fr Mike.
My condolences
What is Fr.
@@princeslewis it means Father
@@arminius504 these preists ought to burned at the stake .
Its by GODs grace and what he has done on the cross alone that allows us access to spend eternity with Him. We must accept his Gift of salvation as well as strive to be more like Christ. God knew that we would not be perfect and that we can not walk this walk alone so He sent His Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth.
What god on a cross? Wow!
Nicolette Paige Amen!
Amen brother…!! Don’t know what this Man is taking about.. no scripture backs up there beliefs. He said one passage and took out of context
Jesus did the work but you need to do your part. Don't play stupid.
@@SonicSnakeRecords of course we need to do our part that's common sense we must except what he has done and walking it I never said that we don't do nothing that's why I said we must strive to be what a strive to be mean just to sit there and do nothing
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men "once" to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was "once" offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
You get one chance at this and his name is Jesus, there is no other way or no in between.
This is my feeling exactly. I thought I was strange for preferring to go to the purgatory first, because, after all, it is a learning experience. You can't appreciate the good without going through the "bad" first.
Read the scriptures for yourself and when someone points out a verse that they say means something read the context completely to see if the verse is correctly used. Purgatory sounds plausible when you are given a choice set of verses without context. Purgatory is not real and you either are in Christ and He in you or you are an unbeliever.
Bruce McLaughlin, the Bible says Jesus, God will judge the living & the dead. Not sure what book, chapter, verse but with that said , tell me where the dead are, before God’s judgement?
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
@@paulhaugen1341 The dead soul sleep until judgement. The Bible says “and then the dead in Christ will rise first” when referring to the rapture. There is no purgatory.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 The Bible repeatedly proclaims that Christ washed away our sins on the cross. It is "His" obedience and righteousness that saves us, not "ours". You believe this priest over Scripture? Purgatory would mean that Christ's work on the cross was not finished (Romans 5: 9) (John 19: 30). It is an insult to the cross.
I learn so much from these Fr. Mike videos. Thank you.
Thanks for this video. I've been learning more about the teaching of purgatory over these last few weeks.
Beautiful. Basically a place to let go of things that hold a place in our hearts that pain and fear in our human condition made us invent....in order to help us cope with this imperfect world. Releasing of false attachments so we can attach to our heavenly Father and Jesus!
In the book The shack, purgatory would be when the man was asked to forgive the murder of his daughter, and his abusive father. The purpose of the purgatory was to bless him and not about hurting him---healing not punishments!
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
I love how you explain this Father Mike. Thank you. I knew this already but I love just to hear it. 💖🙏🏼🙌🏼
@@83c91 Nah not a charlatan just someone who has read everything the roman Catholic church teaches and has not realized what Christ has done .
Matthew 23:9: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Hey, I appreciate your comment, but please consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness, in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Second, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Who told you purgatory exist?Jesus never preached about a purgatory place. If he did where is the scripture???
Once again, thank you, father Mike. God bless you.
@Christus Exercitus don't call your biological father 'father' since you said that
"Involves discomfort" is an understatement.
Definitely lol
Isaiah 53:4 Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. 6 We all like sheep have gone astray, each one has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.…
So no there is no punishment for our sins as Jesus has died for every sin we ever committed , or will commit. 1 John 2:2
Any struggles we have will be while we are ali8ve on this planet but not after we die . Purgatory is a false doctrine that denies the Lords words , " It is finished" 1 Cor 6:11 were is the key word here and it is past tense. It happened already and you are now clean to go to heaven .
What was Jesus statement to the criminal who repented on the cross? Tomorrow you will be in purgatory while I reside in paradise? No. The bible mentions purgatory exactly zero times and the bible teaches that no one sin is greater than another. There is no emphasis on purgatory because the bible doesn't teach it. Charlatans teach it. QED.
campsite a Luke 43-48 explains that there are 4 servants and each a different outcome in judgement day. Not 2 but 4. The last two are beaten, but are eventually allowed back in.
@@michaelfarah7735 you have not listed a chapter.
You are so good at twisting words.
Shoes and sandals! (That’s me cursing, sorry! 😩)
RUclips offers captions in German but not Portuguese... I know a couple of ppl in Brazil that would greatly benefit from this catechism refresher... 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I just lost grandpa, this was quite helpful to me as well...
Thank you so much! 🙏🙏🙏
Sw
W I just prayed for your grandpa and you. God Bless you hun🙏❤
Go to captions , autotranslate and u'll find portugese
"Now ye are clean through the Word which I have spoken unto you" - JOHN 15:3, KJV.
Of course! Purgatory is a place where are desires completely change, until all we want is God.
The place is here, the now while we are still alive. The purification process is us living submitted to the Will of God and dying to our fleshly desires. We must be transformed by the renewing of our minds Romans 12:2.
we should begin the purification process here. However, everyone is flawed. No one can understand God perfectly. Purgatory will hurt, but it will be beautiful, because it will bring me into greater purity and oneness with God.
1 John 1: 7 ..the blood of Jesus purifies us from 'all' sin.
Hebrews 10:14...For by one sacrifice He has made perfect 'forever' those who are Holy.
John 3: 18. "... he that believeth on Him is not condemned". There is no judgement against anyone who believes in Him.
All of a believer's sins were judged on the cross. For brevity, I will not list the numerous verses that support this doctrine.
So, according to catholics, Jesus didn't quite suffer enough on the cross to get it right the first time. Therefore, we get a second chance after death, and it is the Catholic church, the true church, that gets it right this time, by prayer and tithing for the poor souls that slipped by the grace of Jesus Christ the first time. This is an insult to Jesus.
Oscar Myers has a word for this. It is called "baloney".
i have seen that many people is losing their believe with God :( its sad to see terrible things happen and people lose their fate to god ( im saying its good to pray and forgive and forget but times like these were living its really dark and the only way to make it is to believe in God)
This is the only way I have heard purgatory explained that makes sense. My great grandma was Catholic and I was raised in messianic Judaism we had some interesting conversation and I am doing all sorts of thinking now thank you for all the information.
I love these videos, Father Mike always has good things to say!
I’m not Catholic, but Fr. Mike is good!
While it is a beautiful thing to pray for those who have passed on or for ANYONE, for that matter, I can’t understand how anyone thinks that the entire system of merit and reward demonstrates love. It demonstrates rigid requirements. Persons who have a variety of different backgrounds (eg trauma and abuse) as well as personality dispositions (eg. some at baseline have anxiety that makes them less tolerant) may find it much harder to live up to certain ideals. I think we can say “For grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. (Eph 2: 8-9) and trust God to help us with any impurities as there is only one thing certain here, we all have imperfections. All of us. And no definition of a loving parent says “Here, spend a few years suffering and you will be finally perfect.” Goodness, God asks us to help and encourage people, draw them to God in love where they will find a God who IS PURE LOVE. This is absolutely incompatible with a harsh and demanding God that won’t be pacified until a certain amount of suffering has occurred.
There is no pacification. It's like addressing past trauma. In order to heal, you must first address and acknowledge the hurt. When my loved ones have passed away, I tend to grieve for a long time, but that grieving is important because it is the path towards healing. The same is true with overcoming addictions. It can hurt to sacrifice the things we desire deeply, but, slowly and over time, by doing so, we can become free. Purgatory will certainly be uncomfortable, but it is not a way to pacify God. Rather, it is a way to heal ourselves, as through therapy, physical therapy, or rehabilitation. And, it is always important to remember, God will not put us through needless suffering or ask us to take up crosses that we can never lift. Only evil does that. I hope that this helps a bit!
@@emmaduerstock3794 Sin is the persons doing. Mostly on purpose. So any sin is his fault there is no getting over any hurt or cleansing in purgatory. We live once and die once. We only have while we live on this earth to be saved. There are no second chances. There is no place for a second chance.
@@bcalvert321 Hi brother, by whose authority do you say such? Have you had discernment? Have you seek the Holy Spirit to conclude such thought?
Many saints and holy people had visions and have testimonies about purgatory. So please, as the Bible said, lean not on your own understanding, discern, for us to avoid sins that may offend Jesus. Please don't mislead our brothers. God bless, loves and hugs.🌻
So much to know about our Catholic Faith❤️ As i learn more - i'm more intrigued❤️
if your so intrigued pick up an read your bible ... every day
joaquim Rodriguez And how do you know she does not? It isn't your place to judge her
whateverycatholicshouldknow.com
@Nicole Varriano Could you explain to me why I have felt God's peace after recieving catholic holy communion. If you have received (none) catholic holy communion did you feel God's peace, think about it 🤔
@@michaelgrant169 Ive been catholic my whole life and not once have i got anything out of a mass. Im a non denominational christian now and its changed my life.
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
Hebrews 9:27 KJV
'Purgatory' defeats the purpose of Christ's coming to Earth for our Salvation.
Thanks Fr Mike for explaining this so we'll,I will share this with my Wife,who is not Catholic, hopefully it will clear up some issues she has.
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Very well said and learned something new about the faith. God bless ✝️
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture.
A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity.
let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church.
Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die.
Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify?
Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin?
An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith.
Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you?
So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary.
The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due.
So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN."
(SIN categorical.)
This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness.
So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God.
That’s the gospel. And that is enough.
But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God.
Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Thank you for the explanation I hope you have an amazing day guys
I feel my mom is in purgatory because she never loved me or showed me love but apparently her friends claimed she was such a great person, which is shocking to me because growing up with her, I never saw that so called greatness and she treated me like I was some annoying house chore.
I am sure your mother loved you, maybe she was not able to express or show it. God bless you Child of God remember first we belong to God. You were just entrusted to your mom as a gift.
@@Blessed-he8uf I'm not too worried about it. God is the only parent I will ever need.
Fr. Mike in the 60s I was taught there was a place called Limbo. Is there no place like that anymore where unbaptized babies rest when they died?
“It is finished”. John 19:30 Bless your heart.
Amen!
clearly not if he has to defeat death, the devil & purgatory.... LOL
(clearly purgatory doesn't exist because it would be mentioned... ONCE if it did... you know to that one criminal on the cross who repented.... wouldnt' jesus say to the other criminal ok if you repent now, maybe 1 year in purgatory .... you know being merciful lol) ... actually wouldn't purgatory negate jesus paying for all the sins of the world? In theory yes it would.
@@campsitez2355 the way I look at it is that YES Jesus paid the price for our eternal salvation so that we can and are purified and forgiven for our sins... and while I'm not entirely sure at this moment it seems like purgatory would be part of that purification that Christ paid for so that we can enter heaven clean because nothing unclean can enter into our Father's heaven. It seems the subject of conflict between those who believe in purgatory and those who don't is if the process in which we are made holy and justified takes place in one instataneous moment when we accept Jesus as our savior or baptized or if purification is a process carried out through out our life as well as possibly in the next.
@@juliancuratolo8928 the bible makes it clear we get new bodies when we go to heaven. the only thing that is impure is our bodies. when we are reborn, we are given a new heart that is pure
Hello. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND you watch a video called The Fourth Cup with Scott Hahn which goes into depth what Jesus meant when he said that.
Here’s a scripture that says man cannot help redeem another’s man’s soul.
Psalm 49:7-9 King James Version (KJV)
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
8 (For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)
9 That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.
Very true, while a nice idea on paper, purgatory is unscriptural.
Wow that Super clean. Thanks for sharing this wonderful scripture it should be the number one comment. I'm share this with my catholic father. I love him and want to help him get out the catholic church. Blessing!
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts The early Christians believed in Purgatory.
I know I’m super late.
Purgatory is not an on the fence moment where the prayers of other can help them get into heaven.
Purgatory purges us of our sins that we hold onto while in relationship with Christ. Prayers in the regard are for strength during a time of struggle.
Thank you so much, Fr. Mike! This helped me understand purgatory so much better!
it's a big lie!!
weird?
What did you understand. Where is the scriptural backing
@@tiseradi 2 Maccabees 12:39-46, I Corinthians 3:11-15, Matthew 12:32, Matthew 5:25-26, Luke 6:19-26, Hebrews 12:29
@@joaquimrodriguez8961 Wrong, it's a big truth actually.
I’m protestant. I like reading the apostolic fathers, early church fathers and ecclesiastical writers. True, I feel at odds often with my fellow protestants. But I try to teach to the best of my ability, and I listen to others present their thoughts, so that I can avoid caricatures’s. I really like the idea of purgatory. I can’t understand why protestants have an issue with it. I listen to a 2 1/2 hour discussion by Trent Horn on the subject. It just seems correct. Someone saved at the last hour doesn’t get away with anything. They have not had much time to develop as a proper Christian so they will have time there. it says that Christ burns away all that is not built on him. Where does he do that, and when does he do that, and how long does it take? All of that can be done in purgatory. There’s no doubt that the early church did not have the develop doctrine of the Roman Catholics on this issue. Trent Horn said that but he also said they pretty much all believed prayers for the dead did something or purging was something real. You seem very kind. There’s no doubt I’ll be in purgatory. I welcome it like CS Lewis stated. I want to be clean when I enter heaven. God deserves nothing less.
They have an issue with it because it does not exist and is totally unscriptural. Christ died for once for all, there is nothing any man can do other than put his faith in the completed work of christ. It wasnt even a catholic tradition until the 11th century. It was also the sticking point which stopped the reunification with the eastern orthodox and roman catholics in the 12 to 14 century and to this day
God gives you salvation / eternal life. Jesus dies for all of your sins and atones for all of your sins , 1 Peter 2:24 and you come along and tell us that purgatory which is the final clean up of venial sins has to take place because Jesus missed a few sins?
I really love God I believe in him this is a good priest ..very inspiring thank you Father you are very real
O Lord lead all poor souls to heaven
Especially those in most need of your mercy ..forgive us our sins ..Lord hear us🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️
Well, I can vouch that Ascension Presents listens to topic suggestions. I asked for this one months ago. Overjoyed that they've posted this informative video. Thank you all.
It took us a while but we finally got to it! We know so many of you wanted this video - we wanted to make sure we covered it thoroughly and this video took some preparation. God bless you!
...and very well worth the wait! Thank you all for this and all videos that you post. May God continue to bless your ministry.
This makes me feel more at ease (as a Christian) with the idea of purgatory and how it connects to sin. I definitely will do some more digging thanks!
This was very informative of the Catholic view on the subject. However, where in scripture do we see Jesus say there is final purification process before we can enter Heaven. Jesus talks about Heaven and Hell through is ministry but never purgatory or place of final purification. We do read however to a criminal on cross Jesus says in Luke 23 - "Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Where is his purification process if salvation is based of faith and works and not faith alone how Paul says - "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Don't see anyone answering this.
@@pappap1702 because he is right. Never heard of purgatory until I heard it was one of the differences of being a catholic.
@@ilyapangorchav I think no one has an answer because there is no purgatory
Let me try.
First there is Matthew 12:32. Land whoever says a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”
The age to come is our time after leaving this life. If according to Protestant doctrine everyone is in heaven where no forgiveness is needed or He’ll where none is possible than what is Jesus talking about here? Purgatory.
Second, Matthew 18:34 -35. And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So my my heavenly Father will do to everyone of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart. What would we call the place in the next life where you pay your debts?
Third, 1 Corinthians 3: 14-15
“If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saves, but only through fire. The state or place through which you are saved though fire…the place where you are purged..Purgatory.
Read the parable of the faithful and vigilant servant in Luke 12: 41… one servant is rewarded, one is thrown out into the darkness, but two others are beaten. Where does this temporary punishment take place?
Revelations 21: 27 , but nothing unclean will enter it” referring to the City of God” how many of us are holy and unclean when we die?
As to your point out the thief being promised paradise. We really don’t know the state of his soul. Of course Christ does. Also we might infer Purgatory as being part of Paradise or that his suffering and good works in this life where sufficient to gain entry directly into heaven. Who was this thief. We don’t know.
You completely misinterpret the quote from Ephesians. Paul is not talking about good works such as making sandwiches at the homeless center. He is talking about works of the law, the 613 rules that Jews lived by. I other words you are saved by faith not your customs such as being circumcised.
James 2:17 spells it out. “ so faith of itself if it does not have works is dead.
Hey Mike, I appreciate your video on explaining purgatory. I recently read the bible from cover to cover and I have a hard time with the idea of purgatory.
I find the early apostles, especially Paul emphasize that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ. - which is a gift of God.
We both agree with this, but Catholicism states that you need further purification for venial sin, not mortal sin.
You quoted 1 Corinthians 3. I looked over the verses but it doesn’t state that we need further purification after death?
In my opinion, Paul is emphasizing that we should build our life on the foundation on Christ, and our works will have eternal consequences. Our good works and our life will be brought to light, and we should build up treasures in heaven not here on earth.
To me it seems if the idea of purgatory was really important then it would be very clear in the New Testament about it. Can you please reference more verses in the New Testament about further purification needed after death?
Thanks Mike, I hope you don’t mind these questions. God bless!
Me too!!! I have the same question-
We get judged and our work is tested, yes, but there is no strong NT reference for purification nor that our prayers can help those who died.
By making up a place called perkatory they are saying that Jesus Christ was not strong enough to cleanse us from all sins Christ was strong enough he forgives all sins you don't need to go to Purgatory there is no such place
@@mildredcook9020 It’s a question of authority. Either the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret scripture or it doesn’t. If not, then the Bible is open to anyone’s interpretation but there is a scripture (2 Peter 1:20) that says it is not. Someone has to have the authority to teach.
@@mildredcook9020 He does cleanse us from all sin. You need to listen to the video again. Father is speaking of the consequences or attachment to sin that needs purified/purification. There’s a difference. Let’s say for example you have an argument with your Mother. You say some ugly things to her, wishing she was dead….something awful. Then, suddenly, you die the next day without making amends or having forgiveness in your heart for her. Now what? You believe you can enter Heaven in that state of un-forgiveness? Yes, God can allow a few minutes before your death for you to have contrition and sorrow….but you will still need to be purified from the effects of that sin ….before you can enter Paradise where “nothing un-clean shall enter.”
@@johnjohng668 what is unclean about the spirit of someone who has been born-again as Jesus explained to Nicodemus? What is unclean about the “new man” that wrestles with the “old man”? Can you (or does the doctrine of purgatory) make an argument for exactly what aspect of a dead human must be purified?
I usually avoid the comments section but the comments made and the questions asked here are really interesting
Plumber Drain wait...are *you* a man? Then logically...
Thank you my Lord Jesus Christ 🙏🏼🕊️🤍
I'm on the fence with a lot of stuff, and so that's why I'm between Anglicanism and Lutheranism. Because I believe a lot of Catholic doctrine, just not enough to be considered one. Great video. This makes a lot of sense.
⚜️Hail Mary
Ask the Blessed Virgin to open your heart and mind.
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Hey, I hear and respect your comment, but please carefully consider the other side of this argument… here are some responses to some of Fr. Mike’s points -
First, In 1 Corinthians 3 it is clearly the Christian’s ‘work’ that is being tested (which either survives and is rewarded or is burned up)
- not the Christian himself or his moral character… indeed the word purify or the concept of purification or inner transformation does not appear at all in this passage… there is no reference to punishment or personal purification - for it is the ‘works’ that pass through the fire, not the person… the text could not be more clear about this
Second, Fr. Mike states - ‘Even though I’m forgiven, I now have a proclivity towards that same sin…’ which of course is true, but the answer to this proclivity is not purgatory as he suggests, but transformation by the power of the Spirit… Scripture teaches consistently that it’s the blood of Christ which sanctifies and the word of God/work of the Spirit that changes us more into His likeness in this life - not an additional stage of punishment/purification in the next
Third, Fr. Mike says ‘(purgatory ensures that) I dont have attachments to things that I shouldn’t have attachments to, so that he can love me/you as he desires to love you’… this comment directly contradicts the gospel message of grace which runs throughout scripture - that God in his perfect goodness loved us when we were still far off and dead in our sin… Scripture teaches consistently that His love is not a reward for cleaning up our act (as is the case in every other world religion) - it is unconditional… there is nothing we can do to earn it and it is out of this love that God offers us redemption in Christ
Fourth, 2 maccabees 12 (which is not regarded as scripture by the Jews, including Jesus and Paul) includes two elements of Catholic theology - 1. God’s judgment on mortal sin (in this case idolatry - shown in the death of the men hiding sacred amulets beneath their tunics) and 2. Purgatory (shown in the atonement of the dead via the collection taken among the soldiers - indicating that their journey to heaven prior to the collection was only partially complete)… but in this passage these two teachings contradict eachother… to be specific, under the teaching of the Catholic Church purgatory should not apply in this scenario - given that the men died outside of God’s grace due to their mortal sin of idolatry… the doctrine of purgatory that is taught at the end of this passage is directly contradicted by the doctrine of mortal sin illustrated in the early part of the passage
Fifth, Fr. Mike states that ‘Our prayers not only help eachother in this world, they also help eachother in the next world - that prayer of purification, entry into heaven… this is not anti-biblical’ …this statement is also misleading as there is no reference to praying for the dead in the Christian bible (outside of the Apocrypha)… but Fr. Mike’s implication is that there is evidence of this in the Christian bible
Furthermore, the apostle Paul clearly contradicts the doctrine of purgatory when he teaches that for the Christian, to be away from the body is to be at home with the Lord (2 Corinthians 1:23 & 5:6-9)
In addition, 1 Corinthians 15 teaches that at the resurrection, we will be changed - not in a process of gradual purification through ‘fire and torments or purifying punishments’ (Vatican II) - but in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye… because the punishment that we indeed all deserve has already been borne
And of course there are numerous other scriptures that contradict the idea of Purgatory
I am not an apologist or a theologian and have not read widely enough to respond in much more depth, but of course others have and I would encourage you to check out the you tube channel ‘truth unites’ if you are not familiar with it - in particular you might be interested in the video ‘Purgatory: A Protestant Perspective’… 👍☺️
Father Mike, Thank you for taking the time to help all of us understand better with your explanations. I watch your video's and I have to say. I teared up today with this video. So again, thank you for reminding me to be humble.
1 John 5 KJV
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Purgatory is probably one of the silliest dogmas in Christian history because it comes from a point of view of inadequacy of an understanding of scripture.
A sort of proto-purgatory called the "celestial Hades" appears in the writings of Plato and Heraclides Ponticus preceding the church. Its a pagan dogma that Existed in Rome before Christianity.
let’s premise the understanding of scripture first. If the Spirit of God is necessary to understand Scripture, Then scriptures say The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Typology and hidden messages in scripture are not spiritually derived interpretations they are men centric agendas. They are “read into interpretations”. Hermeneutics do not reveal hidden messages in scripture and there are no hidden Indiana Jones clues waiting to justify todays accretion dogmas. You either read out the context of the message or you read into the message with something you WANT to see from some thing that exist today, but never did in the first century patristic church.
Based on the dynamic of the spirit in the role of the salvation, I believe sent, does not come with the spirit when we die.
Anyone who reads the epistles knows that there’s a 2 fold dynamic between the flesh in the spirit. Paul’s writings clearly show when we die the flesh remains and the spirit continues. Scripture says The spirit does not contain sin. It is the flesh that contains sin. Therefore, when you die you cannot take sin with you, so what is there to purify?
Pauls says: So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my FLESH. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my FLESH I serve the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. The desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other….why???? ….to keep you from doing the things you want to do.
In our opposition to God as unbelievers the flesh is not in conflict against the spirit. We are not made alive in Christ, which is the awakening of the spirit with the helper, the holyspirit. We are therefore dead in our trespasses, and sold in sin, unable to respond to God. So, does the “Cross” pay for all sin?
An important distinction of the payment for sin on the cross is that it’s a once for all payment for the “categorical” nature of sin, versus all of our sins stacked upon each other individually. The nature of salvation is that we become new. If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. But we’re still sinful so we need a covering through a blanket reconciliation that is not a part of our own effort, because before Christ our own effort of working to be good is still not good enough. We are not measured by our efforts but by Christs work in Faith.
Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. For our sake God made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we become the righteousness of God. That’s why there’s no condemnation when you’re in Christ. This is how Christ knows us versus telling us on the day of our death “depart from me I never knew you”. This is a constant immovable unloose state because if you’re passing in and out of salvation, then this makes Christ a liar because if he never knew you then how can he “know” you , then not know you, then know you and then not know you?
So is there further evidence that the sinful enter heaven without purgatory? If Christ righteousness covers the sinful man, then yes. Penance is an illogical dogma know where in scripture. However, justification by faith is found in all of the scripture because it’s the only way we can have peace with God. We have been justified by faith to have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And this is not a temporary peace, but a permanent piece, because the nature of regeneration is not temporary.
The work of salvation isn’t kept by cooperation. The spirit within the believer compels our behavior outside human will to bring obedience. Alone we are weak, Therefore we need the helper daily. the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." To the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. So clearly, if you claim salvation, but are using the works of the law or works in general to justify your salvation, then you’re no longer living under faith but under your own willpower which yields not a gift but a due.
So, therefore, our salvation must be a gracious gift of righteousness imputed to us. to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; [8] blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his SIN."
(SIN categorical.)
This doesn’t categorically restrict forgiveness to just the past. This is forgiveness of sin unilaterally through the one who became sin for us, so that we could have his righteousness.
So therefore, if you are truly regenerate and have the struggle of the flesh against the spirit of God, your sins are paid for. You were brought from darkness into light and your sin remains on earth after death. your spirit continues to heaven without sin. There is nothing carried with the spirit that is capable of being purified because you were instantly sinless and blameless before God, because of Jesus. You have nothing to boast of except that you trusted God.
That’s the gospel. And that is enough.
But read it for yourself. I quoted, Romans, Galatians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, an John.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life. He DOES NOT come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Does not what? Does not come into judgment. This is an active state of permanency. To be made alive in Christ is to pass from death to life. It is a spiritual impossibility to revert back to death after you have been MADE Alive. The nature of regeneration is VERY powerful because once one who is dead in sin is awakened to the reality of God, no matter their future sins, they are forgiven, and in a constant state of struggle to live for God.
Purgatory has no place in eternity beyond the stretch of the unimaginative who have never been awakened to new-life. It is born from paganism and exalted by unregenerate men who never knew Christ.
Please consider the other side of this argument… type in ‘responding to catholic apologists on purgatory’ by Bible Thinker for a thoughtful and charitable response which demonstrates how Catholic Apologists misinterpret scripture ❤
@@davidblack1353 mike Winger??? Hes “ok”. Not very God centric. Very passive pre-millennial.
This is the best explanation and argument for purgatory that I've ever heard. I was a Catholic at one time, but never heard to gospel until I took an ailing friend to her Baptist church. I accepted Christ as my Saviour, but have always kinda hoped there was a purgatory for the sake of those who were only half-way there or for those who have never heard the gospel message. I still grapple with these questions. Yes, C. S. Lewis has also been a great help to me. May our Lord bless you and your work!
Your temporal life here on earth is the only purgatory you will get to be purified by the atonement of calvary....or not....there is no in between
As a former Catholic who has accepted Jesus myself,I absolutely feel the same way.I know there are good souls who love Jesus and had no exposure to the Good News and I believe in a loving merciful FATHER who must have a place for those loving souls.
@@dieselcowboy777 interesting theory shared by many, some how I don’t think you are God, so I’ll pray you make the cut.
You remind me of the self righteous Pharisees who knew all the answers who were usually the bane of Jesus.
Mercy will triumph. God’s mind is in fathomable, and yours sounds like it is made up. Best wishes with that one.
This is so very interesting. I have never thought of purgatory as a good thing necessary for our purification. For sure, I need to study more about it and with God's grace come to understand it.