X-MEN 97 Joins the MCU!? - Episode 6 AVENGERS Connections Explained
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@ScreenCrush doesn't rogue get her powers from Ms marvel in the original X-Men animated series?
Don't worry .... Loki will just let the timeline branch and they can enter the 616 and then we can just consider them variants. The 97 universe can continue on its merry way.
Stopped watching when I saw you pushing smoke products
I think everyone is forgetting captain marvel is in this x men universe, she’s in a coma from when Rogue took her powers
and didn't she get like fucking locked back into her coma by Jean Grey or some shit?
Ms Marvel*
They had her in a coma good call I forgot about that.
THANK YOU.
Yeah, Captain/Ms Marvel, the Supreme Intelligence, the Skrull Queen and Captain America all have speaking roles in the X-Men animated series. The Watcher, Dr Strange, Thor, Hulk, Nick Furry, War Machine and Spider-man all have cameos.
Marvel existed as a “shared universe” in the comics and animated series long before the MCU
I grew up on X-men. I used to spend time at my bestie's place in the weekend and it was here I found out her mum was a hard X-men fan and a Muslim, she said she read the comics as a kid. So my mate was just like "I'm gunna go make the curry, you two watch your cartoons" So every weekend we would sit in front of those box TVs in 90's and watch our show and sit down and have x-men conversations after. I have since lost my bestie and my 2nd mum, then a few years later they dropped Ms. Marvel comic and I had this moment of wanting to pick it up thinking that they both would have loved to have their story told. But I wasn't mentally ready. Then when Ms. Marvel Disney+ dropped and as I watched each episode I really did feel like they were there watching it with me. So just sitting here watching as each ep drops I do feel their absence so much so. My Angie, my 2nd mum would be as happy and as ecstatic as ya'll are for it. So please keep these going and help me feel like I am still connected to something I grew up loving from a unique perspective and not feeling alone in it all.
Wow love your heart felt post. You lost both of them at the same time?
U just know she’s watching with u from beyond, curry waiting for u! THATS SO RAD. THIS IS WHAT BEING A MUTANT IS
Very great post. Thank you for sharing.
Binary and Captain Marvel would have to be separate characters. As we’ve already seen Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel in the animated series when Rogue explained how she was able to fly and have super strength.
Yep...THIS!
ScreenCrush keeps overlooking this fact. The director of The Marvels said it was a universe where the events of Captain Marvel played out differently and Maria got powers instead.
There is no reason to believe that the end scene of The Marvels had anything to do with the animated universe. Beast looked somewhat similar to animated beast, but not the same.
@@totesmagotes213 Also, The Marvels take place in the present day. While X-Men 97 takes place in 1997.
This is easily solved dozen of ways by writers. Just change Binary’s Origen.
The story telling in this show is top tier tho
Amazing especially because I rewatched the original last year and noticed how bad the dialogue was back then (just didn't age well but was great at the time) they have added so much depth that things they say really resonate and the conversation between Rogue and Gambit was perfect just like the speech Magneto gave in the second episode and the letter Storm wrote.
@@GODsoN_8471 Completely agree. I tried watching the original again but the animation and dialogue haven't aged well.
Maria Rambeau Binary CAN NOT have been Captain Marvel INSTEAD of Carol, because there was a whole episode about Rogue getting her strength and flight from Ms. Marvel where they show and name her as Carol Danvers.
Thank you, I was just coming to the comments to say that.
I hear you but wouldn’t the X-men be older and different during the current MCU timeline!? Could Monica be Captain Marvel atp? 🤷🏾♂️
@@benjaminjenkins394lol nah Captain Marvel is kinda hard to kill and her death would definitely be hinted when she was explaining how she got her powers
@@jaedynstjuste1708 It drained her powers but didn't kill her.
@gibberishname no because Captain America was frozen WAAAY before 1996 in the MCU. But still Rambeau COULD be and WAS Ms Marvel in a different universe.
I'm i the only one screaming to the vídeo "captain Marvel is already present in the xmen of 97... She was in coma because of rogue!!"
Ms Marvel, not Captain Marvel.
Didn't she wake up? I remember Rogue visiting her
@@frogs3338 she was carol danvers just using ms marvel name
@@benjaharitcalde7569 Ik but it’s not Captain Marvel, it’s Ms Marvel.
@@frogs3338 It’s Captain Marvel.
Charles been out there stuffing the bird 😂
I think people forget that The Watcher and pretty much EVERYTHING were in the comics first, before the MCU!! The Watcher didn't even look like the Watcher from the MCU. It seems people see things that were already in the MCU and think that when they are in the cartoon, they are referencing the MCU, but again, The Watcher shows up during times like that in the comics too! Remember people, everything is based off the comics!
What part of it didn’t look like the mcu watcher?
@@frogs3338 the head and collar
@@FiendishFrank the head looks the same to me, and with the collar it’s hard to tell.
@@frogs3338 it's hard to tell. Do you see my point though? The Watcher shows up for all big events in the comics, the MCU was just going off of that. That easily could be what's happening here with their animation
@@FiendishFrank Yeah but it doesn’t exactly disprove it either 🤷
I feel like everyone missed the watcher in THIS episode. All the references to last episode… he was in this one.
On FEBRUARY 20, 2024 Beau DeMayo CONFIRMEDwith a post on X, of a sticker asking the question, "Is X-Men '97 cannon to the MCU?" and Beau DeMayo said, "We are our own thing."
That’s before he got fired though lol
explain watcher then
The Raimi and Webb movies were their "own thing" before No Way Home, so that doesn't mean much.
@@dexterpeligro7452ah yes, a character that's been around since at least the 60s, who's main thing is overseeing and watching in on important events and actions that shake up the landscape at the time. Him being in episode 5 was a way to say something major was about to occur..no hints at the MCU whatsoever.
It’s part of the MCU multiverse.
What a gut punch “I wasn’t even born when the show ended”. I was a freshman in high school when the show ended. I like the haircut @tommy
Same here and it still hurt my teenage heart when it ended
I laughed at first because I was like "damn thats old". Then I remembered that I was a sophomore
I was a senior in high school it ended. CLASS OF 97!!!
@@soulwork8391 class of 2000 represent 🤣
...Going on a tangent , in the comics, Storm was in a relationship with the BlackPanther
You did great hosting Colton
It's so nice not to have to see the sweaty, blinky, bucktoothed ragebaiter. Colton is much better.
@DJMarcO138 why you D1 hating bro
@@cyclonus_is_a_nerd why aren't you?
@@DJMarcO138 because I'm not a D1 hater, simple really
Thanks so much!
I don't think the theory checks out because we already know from the original 90s show that Captain Marvel was Carol Danvers and that she had her powers zapped by Rogue
I didn't know any one thought Prof X was dead. It's pretty clear in the end of the original series (which this is a continuation of) that he's alive
Let’s not forget, this is X-Men ‘97. There are still a lot of years to go for it to catch up with 2024. The live action film versions can be these same X-Men with a time jump to current day. This way the cartoon can continue telling ongoing stories that happened years before their incursion happens. We CAN have our cake and eat it too!
I don't want this to cross over. I don't want to have to watch 6 seasons of a cartoon to understand the next mcu movie. This should just be its own thing.
Love seeing Tommy, keep him on as a guest as long as u guys can !
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That laugh though...
Didn't Rogue already absorb Carol Danvers' powers in 90s marvel animated universe? So it'd be kinda hard to adapt this version of the Xmen into the mcu outside of a multiversal crossover
Multiversal crossover is exactly what people are talking about, no one said it would be in the main universe 💀
Captain Marvel aka Mrs Marvel already is on the X-Men. Rogue absorbs her powers and she is in a hospital.
Captain Marvel was already introduced in the cartoon… that’s how Rogue got her powers.
I think it will be an easy transition to have the live-action blend in the great start of the X-Men Franchise. X-Men 97’ is worthy, indeed. Great action, storytelling and execution.
i do agree with you buddy but i think it would cooler if the X-Men were still animated representing the wider multiverse of MCU
@@lovelaceackah216 I have been waiting for too long to see the successor of Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine to accept that it will be a friggin cartoon. I love X-Men 97’ but not THAT MUCH…buddy
agree with you XMen97 is great action, storytelling and execution, and is what mcu nowdays is not. lets hope feige wakes up for reality.
I think they should do an avengers unity squad. That way they can give us characters from xmen and still have the og xmen team for the series. That way they can still relate and feed off each other without having to turn the whole team live action.
I literally yelled 'NO' at my tablet when Brianna said Gambit should stay ded
X-Men already has a Carol Danvers Capitan (actually Ms.) Marvel. That's how Rogue got her powers
Carol Danvers already exist in this x-men universe, she is trapped inside Rogue (thats why Rogue is super strong).
Setting The Marvels's post-credit scene in the Fox universe makes more sense. To set it in XM97's universe, they'd have to explain how Maria ended up as Binary despite Carol Danvers being established as Ms. Marvel in the original series.
Spoiler...
Ryan isn't actually going to the bathroom, he's just still crying after episode 5. Same though Ryan. Same. 🥺
I'm sorry, Colton but that's way too big of a stretch. If you're going to include the animated X-Men, you have to include the entirety of the animated Marvel series for starts. Since some of those shows like Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer and Incredible Hulk got cancelled, bringing in those series into the live action MCU also means thinking of satisfying ways that those series could've actually ended on before crossing over. That's just way too big of an ask. And about your Captain Marvel theory, in the episode "A Rogue's Tale" we see Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel before Rogue puts her in a coma. So, implying that the universe where Monica wakes up in is the same as the 90's animated X-Men, doesn't make sense.
I do find it interesting that they mentioned captain marvel but we do have a Carol danvers in the animated universe who is in a coma due to rogue. I personally would like the show to stay its own thing and marvel explore the animated universe like they did in the 90s crossing over with spider-man and the fantastic four.
This show is will not be apart of any projects with the MCU. It it's own universe
In the 90's show Carol Danvers was Miss Marvel when Rogue gained some of her powers in the original show, and not Captain Marvel, if I'm not mistaken.
@@Scorpio_Jeff you're right she is Ms. Marvel in the original show it would be interesting if they started exploring her story again in this animated universe or gave us Maria as a version of Captain Marvel similar to Multiverse of Madness
Oh Gambit is going to mean Death alright. As the Death Horseman.
The only thing I am worried about regardning these X-Men joining the MCU is... They already faced Mr.Sinister, they already faced Apocalypse, and Magneto is practically a good guy now so it will limit their stories, it won't be the first time they face any of these major characters.
I think Cable was late to stop the genocide on Genosha, and got pulled back into the future by himself to try again. We’ll see him succeed and see the return of Gambit
We damn well better! We need Gambit back! And Magneto
love the videos, big shoutout to the whole team! thank you for putting out amazing content and doing all the hard work!!
I need a 'Who framed Roger Rabbit'-esque mashup of animation and live action if these X men ever make it into the MCU.
God no. Please no
to be watched by 2 year ods>
I came here to say this too.
@rjk537 Roger rabbit wasn't for two year olds 😂
I could see that being a scene or sequence, but a whole movie or show of it would need an insane amount of production, not worth it imo
Ghost rider was show in a gambit flashback and rogue fighting captain marvel
They did this perfectly with Start Trek Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds. Animated characters traveled into a live action show.
1:19 Oooooor a comic book character who already made a cameo in the previous show was making another cameo? Not because a character the MCU featured appears in another show that means the show is part of the MCU.
But it does, because of the nature of said character. It’s literally an Easter egg for the people who care enough to notice it, it’s the most intentional way of winking at the audience without just saying “the Eternals will return” “the X-men are connected” like… the Marvels’ post credit scene or Strange 2. It’s all so obviously connected in a vague way that is coming together via the films
Not only did they have a secret wars of their own, but if the 90’s X-men joins the MCU, they’d have to include a major time jump from the 90’s to the present time of MCU. What happened in the X-men 97 timeline between what we’ve seen and Blue Marvel appearing in their world
They cant be setting up for a MCU crossover simple because Rouge and Captain Marvel. X-Men is beyond where the MCU is time wise.
Idk why y’all shocked that X-men the animated series would’ve brought marvel back like the animated series was lit and mature back then
Right??? This has been the most exciting project for me in years lmao Strange 2 and the Marvels and Darkhold Diaries are very cozy for me but this is THE hype, THE moment
The problem with Maria being Binary is that Carol as Ms. Marvel already exists in this world already. Granted she is currently in a coma. In fact that's how Rogue ca fly and has super strength.
So unless you are going to have the same process happen to Maria or have Carol pass on what power she has left then won't really work. Also the "tie-in" as far as the Kree supreme intelligence or the Watcher show up are things that were established in this universe in the 90's so not really new.
Yeah. Also, the director of The Marvels said it was a universe where the ends of Captain Marvel played out differently and Maria got powers instead Carol.
Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is already in this Xmen 97 universe. But that doesn’t mean that they can work Monica Rambeau's Binary into the story in time to catch up with the post credit scene of The Marvels.
If Binary shows up in the X-Mansion with Monica in the last episode to link the X97 with the MCU, I'll gonna lose it!! So cool!
The director of The Marvels said it was a universe where the events of Captain Marvel played out differently and Maria got powers instead. Carol has powers in this universe and that is how Rogue got her powers. So this theory doesn't work at all.
This show takes place in 1997. The Marvels takes place like 30 years later
@@nyc1ts932 That is another fact people over look.
@@nyc1ts932 The power of the Quantum Bands that already established say it can bring people/open portal through space and time, "Also, it (Quantum Band) once traveled me through space and time, so that's probably related." - Kamala Khan from The Marvels, so time gap here doesn't matter.
@@agentofchaos7456I think it's a fact we should overlook. There are many things that could cause a planet's to delay or speed up events by a number of years and even if we are going that deep with it, it doesnt need to be that deep. It's the doctor who effect where the more you pull apart time travel the less sense is made. Embrace not having eveything explained to you.
THANKS, Coburn and Co.!!!! Keep 'em coming!!!! And yes, I would sacrifice this excellent animated series for a very good live-action. And I would love your "Marvels" idea!!!
Does everyone keep forgetting that X-men 97 already has a Carol Danvers Captain Marvel? Rouge drained her powers already and that’s how she has permanent super strength and flight and such, so it’s not possible for X-men 97 and the universe Monica winds up in to the the same universe.
Unless you want to make the argument that Carol became Ms. Marvel and Maria somehow became Binary in the same universe.
Man, the cartoon being its own thing is amazing on it's own, I just really hope they don't ruin it by tying it to a different multiverse. I personally like comic movies when they focus on one team/character and their universe like how the old Batman, X-men, Spider-man movies were.
X-Men 2000 is the first appearance of Hugh as Wolverine. They’re going to tie it in. If Wolverine loses his memory and is lost in the wildereness.. it’ll be a dead give away
In this episode we find that Charles Xavier is the bit of rough and ready for the princess
27:59 Impossible. They already established classic Carol Danvers as Mrs/Captain Marvel.
I'd be okay with Gambit remaining dead, but I think he will come back from Cable teleporting back far enough to alter it. But Gambits death is what helps prompt Professor X into coming back.
I agree with Multiverse of Madness messing it up. I hate the fact that Sam Raimi literally did ZERO research or didn't care about the other shows connected to the characters. He was only focused on making a "Horror film" in the MCU. Hopefully they won't hire him again.
2:06 but The Marvels post credits scene used the Fox X-Men theme from X2 and Days of Future Past
@12:56 does seem just so quick as X-men 97 addresses a topic then moves on. It does come back in play
COLTON! Always happy to see our boy.
21:40, perfectly expressing my concern. And Tommy's "have your cake and eat it too." sums up what i want, but know i can't have. 😢
That's not what a bottle episode means dude. It means when an episode is shot entirely in one location without the use of exteriors or other sets. Like many episodes of Star Trek where they don't leave the ship or a section of it.
You wanna be right so bad but you're both right "In episodic television, a bottle episode or bottle show is an episode produced cheaply and restricted in scope to use as few regular cast members, effects and sets as possible". But you're the one who looks immature for wanting to be right so bad
@21:23 in, Brianna McLarty silently: "What..The..F.." lol
Michael Jordan already proved what's possible when a real person goes into an animated world and vice versa
Great job stepping in for Ryan. Thank you.
Thanks for this awesome panel!
I think you can adapt X-men 97 without actually using THE characters from the show. Simple solution is just having a variant live action universe that has mirroring events. People can cry about it not being identical, but they'll get over it.
Its strange though that the rules never seem to stay consistent between the different Marvel properties. Dr Strange turns animated in the animated Universe, but Prowler stayed live action when he was in spider man 2099s universe.
the only issue i see is in this universe rogue got her power set from carol danvers and not maria rambeau; with carol danvers identifying herself as ms. marvel. so having her be captain marvel/ms. marvel would interfere with the continuity of x-men tas into x-men 97.
My theory is that when these X-Men travel to the MCU they will go from animated to live action much like when Dr strange changed into different things like paint, etc when him and America tumbled through the multiverses. So you match the universe you're in.
The unasked question is:
Is the Chris Pine spiderman from Into the Spiderverse the same character from the 90s' animated show??
17:53 How is it confusing? In the MCU if the universe is animated, for us the audience, they turn animated and if it's live action, for the audience, they're in live action. In the confirmed nonMCU Spiderverse movies, if you're animated, for the audience, you will stay animated in the live action universe and vice versa. It's not confusing at all.
@28:15 so if they show that post credit scene again but from perspective of 97 X-men that could be fascinating depending on how they reconceptualize that same the scene with animation or live action
I absolutely hate the idea of these characters going to MCU. 1. People will complain that they have to watch old kid's show to understand them and the story. 2. They can't do many important stories in the MCU then bc they already happened in the shows. Like Phoenix saga etc. 3. I want to see new versions of the characters that are live action from the start.
@21:23 in, Brianna McLarty silently: "What..The..Fuck.." lol
I'm so tired of everyone's obsession with wanting x men 97 to be in mcu,this show is a sequel to the 90's animated series
😂😂🤣😂 why does that even matter. It can and will be connected at some point.
@@ethanirving1313 I don't take trolls seriously,come back when you saying something serious
No these kids don't know anything better. They see it and they think oh my God it has to tie into the MCU somehow. And know this came along way before that. They might be part of the Multiverse but it is not part of the MCU😂
@@SupportGamin2024I hear you. I wish everyone just enjoyed it for the quality show it is.
I don't think it is anyway, if you think about Doctor strange 2 when they jump multiverse they become like whatever universe it is so if Monica had went there she would've been in cartoon form like strange and America where paint globs, etc
@22:15 well the second season is already written so a couple options is the crossovers being cannon within the animation.. make them independently with just inspired looks and origin. Or literally stop after a few seasons in order to do Mcu
I'd like to see a post credit scene. Group of X-Men standing around, camera cuts to Wolverine and he is about to do something cool... and starts to fade away. We see in his place: Deadpool
Deadpool then prunes himself using a TVA stick and says "see you soon".
We next see the two in the live action film later this year.
One good show doesn't mean the MCU is great again...X-men '97 is just a great continuation
I think that only Deadpool should be the one to make mention of being animated versus not.
You are doing great, Colton! ❤
Let's not forget that in the animated X-Men Carol Danvers already exists and was the source of rouges powers .
Maybe most universes don't have a Carol as captain marvel because of rogue, and that could lead to a great conflict if rogue comes into the MCU with a full powered Carol Danvers
This kinda a stretch, those “MCU” charactees were already in the Fox Kids animated world. Makes more sense it being the Fox Live Action films since Grammer plays Beast again in that post credit scene
0:55 "buying merch is the best way to support us"
Then please, for the love of Doug, make it available Worldwide! I need that Gambit t-shirt ❤😢
These next few episodes gon tell a whole lot 🔥🔥cnt wait
Episode 8 is supposed to be the gut punch according to the recap of episode 5 on this channel. I just hope Morph survives I'd love to see him in live action and the dynamic he and Wolverine share not to mention he has the powers of anyone he mimicks
Colton !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to see you at the helm today!
I’ve been saying this since that post credit scene. By the season finale, we’ll see the full connection.
I think the best answer here is that we would want the same level of care 97' has given to these characters we love.
Pretty sure the watcher is in the first frame after the title opening of episode six. The space scene is all red except for the center which is purple in his "soft" silhouette
X-Men 97 should have had 18 episodes or at least 16 episodes. Because 10 episode is not enough
I think people overreact way too hard. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, whether it's Endgame or The Marvels, people have way too strong reactions. This causes people to say things like "Marvel is no more" after a few bad movies. Granted, Marvel was in slump but they are too big of a money maker to really be done. They have so much history, characters, stories, and source material to be done. People overreact way too hard. Just let it process and let them cook.
As a Colton stan nice to see him take the lead on this one, good job brother ☝🏼
Thank you my friend!
What if during the incursion they figure out a way to merge the 2 universes adding mutants to the mcu. Then mutant hate begins to build in the 616 universe because the mutants are also 'alien immigrants'. It would be a great tie in to modern day issues with predujices with foreigners and etc.
Imagine if at end of series we get a post credits sequence and it’s an animated version of The Marvels post credits but from Beasts POV.
In the beginning 0:15 when the video store is on fire it'd have been cool if Doug fired Colton (pun unintentional). Ryan comes back seeing the state of his store with Doug wearing a fire helmet.
Ryan: Doug what happened?
Doug: I ran the store successfully person We... caught fire.
Ryan: Puns? You're the manager.
Doug: You wanna put Colton in charge again?
Ryan walks away as Doug does his evil chuckle.
The show takes place in the 90s and the MCU started around 2007, it's possible the incursion just merges the two universes and the animated show continues parallel to the MCU. The show could fast forward to the X-Men of 2024.
I think the Watcher appeared in the old series, as well as Thor & Dr. Strange.
Also, Briana is cute AF.
Imagine a portal opens and the xmen 97 jump through and come out as the fox cast with the cartoon accurate costumes. "To me my X-men"
you'd have to acknowledge the fact that Rogue stole Carol Danver's powers when she was Ms Marvel, something we never had in the MCU. So we can't talk about Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers from the MCU as our connection between the cartoon and the MCU when they are different people in those. Now, Binary is another story as she'd appear in the future of the timeline of the show.
They're just going to use the Singerverse X-Men in the MCU. We already got Kelsey Grammer, Hugh Jackman, and Patrick Stewart
Doesn’t mean they will be the same characters. Pretty sure they’re taking inspiration from X-Men 97 with the OG cast
But Wolverine’s design is also COMPLETELY different(in DP&W he has sleeves because Jackman is at risk to skin cancer)
Do you realize these dudes are old af?
They could go the Dr. Manhattan path. How they had Bill Crudup be there do his lines, interpret him, but they CGI over him to give you how Dr. Manhattan looked in the comics. And this is a movie that is 15 years old, so they could give us a comic accurate interpretation of The X-Men without bringing in any Fox X-men.
Star Trek Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks did it perfectly in their crossover episode.
Since this is the second take then Tommy’s mistake on identity is even worse.
28:30 Colton here’s my piggy back to that…if Binary does show up and has the Quantum Bands like it shows she does at the end of The Marvels then she cleary could move them into a life action setting depending on which steps the rest of the show takes at the conclusion on S1 and even further to the end of S2
The building on fire is a great addition