The History and Beauty of the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
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As I've been exploring and investigating Catholicism for a little a year now, one of the most common comments that I receive is "the Catholic Church is more than the Latin Rite. You should visit an Eastern Catholic Church." Recently, I toured a Syro-Malabar Cathedral, a Catholic church with based in India, going all the way back to St Thomas the Apostle. This video is part two of that experience where I sit down with Fr. Joby to discuss the history of the syro-malabar church and what that means for the Catholic church today.
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Yay! Another Eastern Catholic group - I'm Roman Catholic, but loving seeing our Eastern brothers and sister getting some air time. Thank you Austin! You're such a credit to the Christian faith.
Thanks brother 😊❤️
The Uniates
@@believethetruth130 You may not be aware of this, but the term "Uniate" is offensive to Eastern Catholics. It is more charitable, and correct, to call us Eastern Catholics, or to refer to us by the name of our Eastern Church... Syro-Malabar Catholics, Greek Catholics, Melkites, Maronites, Chaldean, etc.
“Praise for the sake of praising.” Such a beautiful and important concept. Great interview, Austin. This priest has such a gentle and peaceful demeanor, much like yours!
True - they are both so thoughtful. I love how Austin’s mind works, as he frames his thoughts and questions so well. And this priest fully understood and gave such on-point wonderful answers. You described them both so well as “peaceful and gentle.”
Absolutely love you talking to some of these obscure Catholic/Orthodox churches. I'd love to see you talk to some Maronite Catholics one day, because man those guys are FASCINATING.
They’re not orthodox. They’re straight up catholic. They have all the catholic sacraments, they have all the catholic rituals, and they are also subject to the Pope in Rome, with an archbishop and a couple of bishops representing them in the Catholic Church. So they’re catholic as it gets. The only difference is just few ceremonies and traditions that are exclusive to the syro malabar church.
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme I am very aware. I meant he sometimes talks to obscure Orthodox and sometimes talks to obscure Catholic churches
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme
Actually, the Catholic Church does claim to be the Orthodox Church(just like how the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches call themselves 'Catholic'). These are just theological terms and we often differentiate between these two terms for convenience (and also ignorance)
What a wonderfully thoughtful, gentle man. I think this is one of your best interviews out of a great series.
Syro malabar church, the largest missionary church in the world today. God bless all missionaries.
True we kept the light to ourselves for a long time. Now we are working overtime.
Do you have any Proof to back up your Claim?
@@jk737ng Lies don't need any proof. These guys are famous for fighting in the street with regards to dispute between 2 factions.
@@GPSamGet a grip, it's the Ernakulam-Angamaly schism. We are the largest Eastern Catholic church in the world. We have Shalom TV, which went global when it started small in the Indian churches.
Though I belong to the Roman Rite, I have been attending the services at the Syro-Malabar Church and it's been a immense blessings. Catholic Church in India is alive and thriving because of to the traditions of St. Thomas.
Great video, the syro-malabar videos are some my favorite so far because this rite is so unknown in the west. This priest was so kind, I'm latin rite but I would love to go to a Syro-malabar Eucharist, their liturgy seems so rich from what he explained, no syro malabar here in French Canada but at least I get to learn from them on youtube. St Thomas is the saint I'm walking this year with. Thanks for making this videos!
Glad you enjoyed it!
There is syro malabar service at St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic church, Ottawa on Sundays @ 5pm
@@rohank8066 Thanks! I'm in Québec it's close enough. Thanks for the information! God bless you!
Syro malabar eparchy is there in Canada , I guess in Mississauga
Requiem Holy Raza Qurbana of Syro Malabar Church( Ernakulam Angamaly Archdiocese)
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God bless our Catholic brothers and sisters in India, Christ and Mary be with you all.
Very proud of my syro malabar heritage and currently ministering in an American Catholic parish as a missionary. God bless all
So proud to be part of this beautiful church. May the Lord bless our bishops and priests as well as all the members abundantly to proclaim the good word of Jesus. 🙏
Very engaging conversation. Love that side of my Church.
The community is based in my local Roman Catholic parish church in Ellerslie, Auckland, Aotearoa New Zealand
What the priest kindly meant was that every Catholic is welcome to this church to take communion, as we are all linked to the central part of the mass, which is the eucharist, as well as the sacraments. But being part of a church also means understanding the liturgy, and for Roman Catholics this can be quite confusing. If by chance a Roman Catholic feels welcome in the Syro-Malabar community, then it would be better for him to go through the community's catechism to understand the liturgy, as the catechism also includes teachings about the liturgy of that tradition. But in the central core we are one church.
My father always says you are lucky to be born into a syro-malabar Catholic church.I am always proud of that fact 😊.Thank you God
Austin, a question you could ask Fr Joby for the enlightenment of the viewers is about the Charismatic movement in the Syro-Malabar Church. There is a great influence of the Charismatic movement in this Church probably more than in any other Catholic Church. Charismatic movement has an ecumenical perspectice and it is common for faithful from other Churches( non Catholic) to attend these retreats..
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True...I, my family and most of my friends are the devout Catholics we are today because of the retreats and other charismatic conventions that is common in Kerala...esp in syro Malabar church!
I wish Austin would interview father Dominic Valanmanal or father Xavier Khan Vattayil....
Fascinating! I have experience with charismatic renewal in Roman rite parishes, it’s interesting to hear about the influence in other rites.
@@annmary6974 Isho loves you.😊
By "Persian Church" he meant the Assyrian-Chaldean Church of the East.
Such a cool episode 🙏🏼
Hello👏 a non-Charismatic Syro-Malabar Cath here ✌️ 🤓 we exist too.
മാർത്തോമ്മ നസ്രാണി 😍
Yaa Followers of Mar Thoma Margam
മാർതോമാ മാർഗം😍
What's the difference between charismatic and non charismatic syro Malabar catholics?
After his resurrection Christ gave the great commission to his Apostles (including Thomas) to go out into the world and proclaim the Good News (the Gospel) to all the nations. There is a strong reason to believe that Thomas, the Apostle of Christ evangelized in India. The reason for the Apostle Thomas to arrive in India was because of a Jewish community that lived on the Malabar coast. At least in some sections of the Jewish community in Israel the expectation in ancient times was that when the Mashiach (Hebrew for the Messiah or the Christ- the Anointed one) comes, as per the prophecies, the Mashiach would first proclaim his kingdom to the Jews and then to the Gentiles. It was therefore left to his disciples to take the Gospel further to the Jews and to the Gentiles beyond Judea. The coins recovered from excavations in Kerala (India) strongly support the idea of a flourishing Indian trade in spices with Arabia, Rome, China and other East Asian countries in the first century. Thomas obviously travelled the trade routes. It is reasonable to assume that Thomas started his ministry with the proclamation of the Messianic kingdom to Jews and then the natives.
Early Christian writings of the third and fourth century about the missionary work in south eastern coast of India lend credence to the traditions that India had a strong Christian presence since the first century.
Hymns of St. Ephrem (4th century), a beloved saint from Syria describes the martyrdom of Apostle Thomas in India. Eusebius of Caesaria (4th century), a church historian and Bishop, wrote in his book Ecclesiastical history that Pantaneus visited India in 180 AD and says that he found a Gospel of Matthew written in Hebrew, left with the Christians there by St. Bartholomew. St. Jerome in his writings mentions a deputation sent from India to Alexandria. This deputation requested Demetrius (127-232 AD), the bishop of Alexandria (Egypt), to send Clement of Alexandria (150 AD- 215 AD) to India. These writings point to a Christian community existing in the first and second centuries in Kerala (India). As per the traditions of the St. Thomas Christians, Thomas established seven churches in south India. Today there are above 4 million St. Thomas Christians belonging to various denominations (Syro-Malabar Catholic, Syro-Malankara Catholic, Syrian Orthodox, Jacobite, Mar Thoma Church etc) in South India. Cosmas the Monk was a Greek merchant from Alexandria of Egypt who wrote in his travelogue (Cosmas Indicopleustes ) about his travel to India in the 6th-century during the reign of emperor Justinian. In 522 AD, he visited the Malabar Coast (South India) and was the first traveller to mention Suriyani Christians in present-day Kerala in India. He wrote, "In the Island of Taprobane (Ceylon), there is a church of the Christians, and clerks and faithful. Likewise at Malé where the pepper grows; and in the town of Kalliana (Maharashtra). The present Day Kalyan where Comas used to rule, there is also a bishop consecrated in Persia."
The apocryphal Acts of Judas Thomas narrate Thomas, the Apostle, travelling to the court of Gondophares I, the Indo-Parthian ruler. From archeological findings in Taxila (Pakistan) Gondophares ruled from 19 to 46 AD. In the excavated Palace of Gondophores, the guide at the place point out, that in addition to Jain and Buddhist worship places in the area there is also a baptismal font which Thomas would have used for his conversions. This suggests the route Thomas would have taken from Jerusalem to Persia and finally into India through Taxila (Pakistan).
I went to to a syro Malabar church in Santa Ana California it was amazing!
I hope one day once your channel grows.. U will go visit all places of Eucharist miracles just like you vist all the churches..and it will truly be the crown for all this work and the core of what all true catholics live for..🙏🏻to be in union with jesus every single day, just like god used to come walk together with adam and even daily in paradise...❤
God bless 🙏🏻
Thanks for hoping for growth for the channel!
The Eastern Rite Catholic Church families are of brighter future.
This was a beautiful conversation. 🙏🙏🙏
Austin , you should interview a priest of the Carpatho Russian Orthodox Greek Catholic Diocese (ACROD)
Thank you all
I am proud to be a Christian.... Jesus❤
20:59 Paul VI was the first pope to really travel.
Nice❤️
This is all within a relatively minor sup-topic of the video-the main take-away of the video being the Glory of God at work through and being revealed in the Syro-Malabar Catholic tradition and what that means and how we should relate to it- but I wanted to bring it up since it can be educational.
Unless I’m mistaken… Patriarchal Catholic Churches, unlike Major Archiepiscopal Catholic Churches, do not need Rome to approve the Bishops, the Church sui juris appoints them themselves. Or is it just their Patriarch? Or am I missing something? I know my Church, the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church has desired the rights and privileges of a recognized Patriarchate for a long time, so much so that we call our Major Archbishop “Patriarch”, since the law says that he has all the rights and privileges of a Patriarch unless otherwise stated in law.
I heard that the role of “Major Archbishop” was kind invented on the fly in the last century for ecumenical expedience, so as not to offend other communities and Churches the Catholic Church is in dialogue with while at the same time allowing for some more independence of our Churches as is fitting. …of course Rome maintains some measure of control in the Major Archiepiscopal Churches especially by the appointment of Bishops so that the Pope can steer our Churches as Rome would like to help with reconciliation with the alienated Apostolic Churches whose Sacraments we recognize.
That’s why there’s talk that maybe we’ll get full Patriarchal status with many setbacks and maybe some bridges being burned with the Russian Orthodox Church since the invasion of Ukraine (I say maybe because we don’t know what internal turmoil and implications might happen within the ROC and within the Orthodox Churches in general with what is happening, first with the Schism, and now with the invasion of the very canonical territory in dispute within Orthodoxy that led to the current Schism… though at the end of the day, the Pope may simply give us Patriarchal status as our credibility goes up as we had long been accused of overstating the very real threat of Moscow’s political ambitions and the ROC’s claims in Ukraine, and with our having possibly earned a Fully-recognized Patriarchate by the blood of all our martyrs for Christ and our level of organization and service to the whole Catholic Church and its ecumenical intentions in Ukraine and abroad).
… The main reason I’m mentioning this is that Rome has committed to step back in its level of control in different Eastern Churches definitely at least upon if not by the time of large-scale institutional reunification with our separated brothers and sisters who yet remain faithful to Christ - which is the long-term plan for the Catholic Church as we sort through the issues that have divided us in the past.
If the UGCC gets full Patriarchal status… I wonder if the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church would be far behind? When we were elevated to the just-invented Major Archiepiscopal status (kind of a “You are on this Council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master” moment, only with less hostility than Anakin responded with [I’m such a nerd…]), so was the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church… so it follows that their elevation to Patriarchal status might follow ours as well.
…If I’m misinformed on anything here -especially as regards the nature and canonical rights of Major Archiepiscopal and Patriarchal Catholic Churches-someone please correct me. I grew up Reformed Protestant (in the Southern Baptist Convention), and was received into the Ukrainian Catholic Church a couple years ago, so I’m still learning a lot about how all our Churches work. …but I do know that the goal is not to have the Pope running everything, but rather to raise up and empower the Churches to be fully what God intends and unleashing us for the mission of making God known, and making His greatness and goodness known so that as many as possible might drawn unto Him and find healing, forgiveness, and fullness of life in Him… What God desires our Churches to be is the Sacrament of His Self-Revelation to the world, being His Hands and Feet, gateways of His Grace and Mercy shining resplendently on and bringing life and healing and reconciliation to a world in need. Every Particular Church (Church sui juris), to which its members remain ascribed no matter where they are in the world, is called to “make disciples of all nations”, further reconciling different peoples together into visible unity in Christ in legitimate and holy diversity, even a living spiritual body and organism.
The Glory of God will be known, and we get to be a part of that, as different cultures are caught up into (elevated into) the Divine Life in diverse and numerous ways on the earth in the life of actual Churches in space and time. Christ became Incarnate, and we really do meaningfully become united to His Body and are grafted into His Life. May this Mystery be ever more fully realized and revealed to the world, to the praise and glory of the Name of God.
While it's all the great past, reailty is that the kerala christian community is dying. The Protestant funded by west was converting a lot for sometime but now more than that the population is in -ve growth by all govt census. There are more than 1 lakh unmarried men over 30 in syro malabar catholic itself. If other Syrian demoninations like jacobite/orthodox is also considered it would easily go up 3 lakh plus. When this is the situation, many christian women are marrying hindu and muslim men leaving the community. The modern outlook and the spread of atheism all fueled by west is hurting christian community most. So it's good to hear this great past and all when the present statistics is that the community will be totally vanished from kerala in next 100-200 years with the current -ve population growth.
Hopefully it will continue tolive somewhere else. Most of the places Paul evangelised are muslim now... But the church still exists in other places. Europeans used to send missionaries to africa. Now Africa is sending priests to europe. This tradition will have to continue to live somewhere else to survive.
@@julianaq7633If any place is there then Kerala is the only place that the community has favourable circumstances to stay strong and has the base of around 2000 years history. We are seeing way too much migration happening to western countries which are permanent migrations, super low birth rates, this high number of unmarried men and women marrying to other religions in huge numbers making the community go extinct in near future. Until few years back not just worldwide but within india too if syro malabars move out of the state of Kerala, they used to join near by latin parish. In fact within india, a lot of latin churches and dioceses got established like that. Now all these generations and the folks who move to western countries mostly adapt western lifestyle of atheism and a lot even marry random people and leave the community. No new members come to the church when in western countries even the western churches that were there since long itself are dead. Hindus and Muslims are encouraged more in the western countries and also they stay within community a lot unlike christians and the west also in general has the ambience that Christianity is bad while Hinduism and Islam is great. Even the Portuguese who came in 15th century tried to latinize and the coonan cross oath protest happened which itself is why syrian christians got split into all these denominations like today. So how does the tradition have anymore chance of surviving than in Kerala which has better atmosphere? Even in there the realities that I mentioned are leading to extinction of community in future. A late syro malabar bishop of a diocese, mar anikuzhikattil once said the blind aping of western culture is leading to destruction of kerala christians. It is somewhat true though many good things were adopted much more bad things from protestantism to individualism and atheism that spread is only leading to decimation of Christianity. So that's why community being extinct from Kerala is huge risk.
@@julianaq7633 you are very correct..!Europe will be back to Jesus one day
First ad- the eucharist is the help we get.
The architecture of the church is off. According to Syro Malabar tradition, there Madbaha(Alter) should be veiled. Plus there should be a Nilavilakku( A ceremonial lamb) present.
I don’t think nilavilaku is a necessity. Its more of aesthetics adopted from the early hindu temples
@@keriddunk1520 The Syro Malabar Church is Indian. Christians, Hindus and Muslims share a lot of customs. A Nilavilakku, Kalvilakku, and Kodimaram are the unique traditions of the Nasrani church of Malabar. Not just Syro Malabar.
It's probably due to latinization, these traditions will slowly come back
At my church in Sacramento we had a catholic priest from India. After mass one day I asked him about these st Thomas Christians. I asked if they had the Holy Eucharist as the real presence as Catholics do today. He said yes,!of course.naturally I could not interview him further since he was very suspicious at my asking. As if I was accusing st Thomas Christians as not being catholic in ways of the sacraments and communion and the saints.
That was as stupid question as asking if a Christian believes in Christ. It's called" Syro malabar Catholic Church" so duh
@@keriddunk1520 : stThomas Christians from India is Christian community formed like right after Christ’s death. By me asking if church from India was close to Catholics and orthodox this would strengthen tradition that holy Eucharist is the real presence of Christ and unlike what Protestants think who invalidated many Christian tenets from Reformation times. To this day Protestants think it’s just Catholics That believe in the real body of Christ, saints etc. my point was to establish that all original Christian communities in world were like Catholics.
Thank you Austin for the very nice tour of the cathedral and the great conversation with such a thoughtful priest.
At 23:12, Fr. Joby talks about the text for the hymn "Let all mortal flesh keep silence" being in Syriac. Is it sung in Syriac or Malayalam, in the Syro-Malabar (East Syriac) Rite or in the West Syriac Rite churches of Kerala? The hymn seems to be originally from the Liturgy of Saint James, the principal liturgy of the West Syriac rite. Can anyone help me find the text in Syriac or Malayalam?
I'm a Roman Catholic in kerala. I would like to marry a syro malabar catholic in their church.
Mighty
You should interview Bart Ehrman
I'd be open to it
Why interview and not debate?
@@anthonymarchetta8796 Two reasons, at least form my perspective. One, I don't host debates. Two, assuming you mean that I would debate him, he's a million miles out of my league
@@GospelSimplicity Appreciate the answer. I guess what I mean is, I don't see a reason for a Christian channel to host a guy like Ehrman (who I have found very unimpressive).
Christian unity is one thing but Ehrman has made his own position quite clear. I'm not sure what you would get from an interview, outside of sowing doubt.
Awesome!!!^_^❤💕
Blessings of יהוה Yahushua
Interesting
These are Church Ranks
POPE - Successor of Peter
Supreme Head of the Catholic( Universal) Church
Pope - is also the Head of Roman catholic Church
Ranks in order of importance
1. Pope
2. Patriarch
3. Major ArchBishop
4. Archbishop - Metropolitan
5. Arch Bishop
6. Bishop
7. Auxiliary Bishop
8.Vicar General - Position Can be filled by an auxiliary Bishop or senior Priest)
9. Chancellor - position is filled by senior Priest
10. Forane Vicar (Priest) Very Reverand Father
12. Parish Vicar ( Priest) ( Rev Father)
13.Priest ( Father)
14.Deacon called as Deacon ( Dn)
15. Sub Deacon called as Brother
Major Archbishop is equal to Patriarch
@@AndrD1406 No brother,
Patriarch has more Privilege
Approval from Rome is need for Major Archbishop's appointment
But in case of Patriarch No approval but mere recognition is needed
But
@@MelchizedekVision JPII said this is equivalent
He is priest from South Indian
you should interview a celtic orthdox priest
Anyone in particular?
@@GospelSimplicity perhaps bishop Paul Dupuis , I believe he is in the states. ruclips.net/video/UOqHTbZ_Mgg/видео.html
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Obedience to the Second Vatican Council is the Hallmark of the Syro Malabar Church from 16 June 2023, the Feast Day of the Most Sacred ❤️ Heart of Jesus of the Archdiocese of Ernakukam - Ankamaly in Ernakulam., Amen.🌷
False history.. Chaldean church was established in 1553 AD. There was no Chaldean church in Kerala. There was only affiliation to Syriac church of Antioch. Portuguese and Western Catholics twisting and rewriting history to make themselves look better. syro Malabar church itself suffered so much under the Portuguese. This is the reality.
False history.. Chaldean church was established in 1553 AD. There was no Chaldean church in Kerala. There was only affiliation to Syriac church of Antioch. Portuguese and Western Catholics twisting and rewriting history to make themselves look better. syro Malabar church itself suffered so much under the Portuguese. This is the reality.
@@sonofababyYes we know we suffered, it isnt news to us
These latin expressions is the reason why you guys have many problems today in Ernakulam-angamaly.
Requiem Holy Raza Qurbana of the Syro Malabar church ( Eranakulam Angamaly Archdiocese Variant)
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***Syro-Latheen
This already aired
This is the interview
Ukrainian Catholic is the biggest Oriental church not Syro malabar
Biggest one is the coptic one.
@@vigenlona it's Eatern but not Oriental
Syro Malabar is the biggest now
Lol what!!
Distorted history?
It's Zero malabar! The idolators?
Syro
Syro aramaic
Suraya aramaic
Then Why do you proclaim yourself as Roman catholic ???.... Y do you steal some other sabas name and label yourself as Roman catholic???.....in Kerala.... People who follow Roman Rite of mass are called Roman catholic....The Latin catholic is the real Roman catholic.... They follow Roman Rite of mass.... Don't you feel bad to steal some other sabas name
Don't worry buddy we called as RCSC not RC nowadays we used the word syro Malabar itself bcz of the caste thing u know... I mean 1st I thought it's RC so njan ella certificate lum RC ennu mathram address cheyth then I understand they have some reservations so we address RCSC or syro Malabar ennu 🤗🤗
@Maria we are not rcsc . we are syro Malabar nasaranis
@@Maria-ec9sb We are Nasrani Catholics which is the name of our caste or ethnicity.
Our Church is the Syro Malabar Catholic Church.
There is no RCSC.
@@nathelzean9745
Well, legally, we are called RCSC
The name is RCSC. It means suriyani Christians under Roman Pope. What's wrong with that? We are proud of our Suriyani liturgy and heritage.
SYRO MALABAR CHURCH IS FOUNDED BY PORTUGEESE/ROMAN CATHOLIC ON 1599AD
Who said that nonsense
Syrian christians existed here even before the arrival of portuguese
@@beautyinnature4852 I said about Syro Malabar church. Not about Syrian Christians.
@@believethetruth130 syro malabar is also a syrian church. Later it become communion in with catholic church.
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Nothing special.
Just another Uniate church.
You don't know anything about syro malabar church😂