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Out of all the debates, no one brought up Charlie Ward. Bless you Dan Peazy
Shannon sharpe did
Charlie Ward will never brag about his career in sports,but someone should .
Very underrated
I agree
Exactly
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Right?!? Heisman?!? 1st Round Pick in Basketball?1? Get you some Charlie!!
This is how you end a debate.......you include someone in the discussion who can truly relate to the issue. Was a Heisman Trophy winner and a starting point guard with the NY Knicks.
Would've been an automatic Top 10 draft pick in the new NFL.
I believe most if not all wanted to draft him as another position. They said if he wanted to play qb, he would be drafted in late rounds....90s was still bias to black qbs....better now
#1 overall
Not as a QB, they were still being racist against black qbs in the 90s
@Josh_H there still racist now, black qbs are just becoming the norm so they don't have the amount of white by choices they used to have
The whole reason he went to the NBA was because of where he was projected to be drafted
Charlie ward is probably the only one that can speak on this lol
As far as success?maybe but Tony Gonzalez is right there
Jimmy Graham. Played 4 years of college hoop and 1 year of college football.
Played over 10 years, made 5 pro bowls, lead league in receiving Tds one year.
Allen Iverson was the best in state in football too.
Antonio Gates can
Don't forget about HOFmer Julius Peppers...
A classy human through and through. The ESPN documentary on him really demonstrates the quality of character that Charlie has. Loved watching him growing up and still can't believe he was in the NBA forever. Respect to Charlie.
Do you know why the documentary Was somewhat disrespectful?
@@JazJaz-su6nb I am confused. It seemed to be respectful. Did I miss something?
Yall like quiet people of color.
@@topdad-dawg834 I am a man of "color". I disagree and resent the dog whistle. Have a good day though.
Him and Deion are the reasons I’m still a FSU fan.
Exactly
How can you forget Warrick Dunn how was the RB on the same team as Charlie.
I've often thought of Ward as having the best college career of any athlete. Wasn't FL State #1? Top football player in the country and then the basketball team was top 20. Was he on the same team as Sura and Cassell (at the same time)? College hoops was loaded back then.
I saw Ward play against my Yellow Jackets on a Super Bowl weekend. It was a good game and it came down to the last possession Ward beat Travis Best off the dribble to score the winning point. To this day, my main memory is of Spike Lee celebrating with him and thinking, "Spike Lee is in the house!"
You're right
He isn't mentioned enough
You Forgot They Won The National Championship Along With His Heisman.
@@55cleon That's what #1 means. But then, there were two polls. Probably finished #1 in both.
@@xxphactorI was at NC State during same time period. Charlie was way ahead of his time, huh? He’d flourish in today’s NFL.
Charlie was COLD BLOODED
Ward is the most underrated and under appreciated player in sports!! Great guy too!
I remember Charlie Ward when he was on the Knicks, can't believe he's an old man now
21-2 As a starting QB at FSU. Only lost one game per year. Miami and Notre Dame. Love this guy! Great NBA career. The NFL missed out for sure.
My kids go to the school where he coaches. Couldn't ask for a more gracious role model in working with the kids and serving the community!
He is a great man ❤I remember meeting him in South Bend
If anyone can talk on this with a clear unbias…. It’s CW
Loved FSU back in the day! Weinke Ward, Dunn, Sanders. Those games were awesome. Charlie is so classy and humble. Mad props to him and FSU!!
Don’t forget Warrick…
One of my favorite college quarterbacks, along with Tommie Frazier and few others
I watched him the whole time he was in New York, I was so surprised when I read when they announced his retirement he was a highly recruited NFL prospect and Heisman winner. Talk about elite sports talent
My absolute favorite college quarterback that I’ve ever watched with my two eyes 👀!
Shout out C Ward! Star PG and QB both positions are related. I hope everything is good with the brother's health 💯
The man that got me watching and loving FSU Football to this day and I was always a Knick fan couldn’t get any better when he joined my knicks good to see you Mr Ward salute…..
The NFL teams told him he would NOT play QB because of Racism. And all of these years later they won't admit it or apologize. This happened to many Black QBs and the NFL doesn't want to make it right. That's weak....
That's false. They didn't think he could be a starting QB because of his size and average arm strength. NBA money was better than backup QB money and a lot safer to earn. Can't say it was racism when there were black QBs in the NFL at the time. There were black QBs drafted high in the 1st round around the same time Charlie came out of FSU
Why you gotta say stupid things
Charlie was never selected because he had leverage and wouldn’t commit to the NFL.. One guy that would’ve commanded a top tier NIL deal and a top ten pick in both sports in this era .. True NCAA GOAT.
Charlie Ward would have blown up NIL being a star in two sports and elite. Who are some folks yall think would have collected all the NIL money? Lol...
Ill start with Bo, Deion, Bosworth, Desmond Howard, Reggie Bush....
Randy Moss, remember Peter Warwick?
How about Scott Frost, Tommie Frazier, Tim Tebow, or Cam Newton.
@@therealmikebrown good ones. Imma say Byron Leftwich too. Don't laugh but that game where he got carried plus how likable he was woulda got him all the wholesome endorsers
@@alifrombenhill3374 I know its not football, but think of all the money the Fab Five would have made. They might have stayed for 4 years. Or Shaq?
@@therealmikebrown bro it can be any sport. Thanks for the convo
Charlie is right. The debate is ridiculous. It takes time and commitment to reach the highest level in any sport. How many athletes could walk on the pro golf tour? Or hit a curve ball circa MJ. It's stupid. There are rare exceptions, Deion, Bo, and a few others. But it's not a real debate in any universe. This is the era of attention and clickbait. Mission accomplished by Rivers.
You missed the point . It's harder to be an NBA player than NFL . it's not close
Still, it's an entirely different set of preparation and conditioning. NBA players could never take the physical abuse play after play and sustain any kind of career. Their knees, hips, shoulders, back, etc would become permanently damaged in short order.
@@tacotom3492 You are missing the point. It's much easier to be an NBA player, especially if you're really tall. Regardless of skills, you're automatically given consideration. There are guys on playgrounds right now who are better than some NBA players. If you're a hooper, you know it's true. Football, like baseball, is not a pickup sport. No way to simulate a football game in the real world, unlike high-level competitive basketball that's played in every gym in the world. High-level football is different however, baseball is by far the hardest. NBA is tough but come on.
@@zerostozeros lose money to get cte in football. If you can go pro in any of the three sports you mentioned, why would you choose football?
@@ThatGotDaymBoogie that's completely irrelevant to the topic.
I've been saying to this for years, Charlie Ward could have easily played at an elite level at quarterback in the NFL.
A NY sportswriter said that the best quarterback in NY was with the Knicks.
Easily? 😂
Is there any other way for Austin Rivers to get recognized?
Coach an NBA team and blow a 3-1 lead?
He can say my dad!
Charlie Ward Jr was the TRUTH at Quarterback.. NFL denied us the chance to see greatest IMO
Wow one of the greatest athletes in USA history won a Heisman and had a solid NBA career. Mr. Ward looks great must be living a clean life.
When you're great the conversation is different. This is the best take on this topic thus far.
I agree with Rivers.There are a lot of 6'0 - to 6'4 super athletic players in the NBA that have skills that can translatee to a WR in the NFL. What position could an NFL player play in the NBA?
Those guys are not running routes... It's more to WR than just running and catching
@@marrioburnett9625 How many NFL players could dribble a basketball.
Charlie Ward = a Heisman Trophy Winning Quarterback
Charlie Ward = an NCAA National Champion
Charlie Ward = a Black Man
NFL = a prominent pro sports league that has historically shunned/devalued black quarterbacks
NFL: shunned/devalued Charlie Ward in 1994 (in favor of peers who never accomplished Ward's feats)
Charlie Ward: never entered the NFL
(5:05) Although - nowadays - the NFL regularly drafts QBs who have Charlie Ward's accomplishments, the denigration of black quarterbacks still exists (and is promulgated by certain realms of society).
So, please stay *on guard* (pun intended).
They tried to shun Lamar Jackson! He just persisted and refused to be denied!
First, the NBA and NFL are so different. While each has players that could be role players in the other leagues, no player would be a star. Even Jimmy Graham would never have been a star in the NBA. However, a better metric of the better athletes is how they would translate to other sports. Case in point, the best athletes of all time are football players, i.e., Deion, Bo Jackson, Jim Brown, Julius Peppers, Frank Thomas. No NBA player, other than Wilt, excelled at other sports.
Even though he didn’t play in the NFL, he was still the best QB in New York while playing for the Knicks.
Since we're here lets praise Legend Dave Winfield who was drafted by MLB, NBA, ABA and NFL.
the truth is most NBA players wouldnt want to get in a game with an NFL player. it takes wanting to hit and get hit. NBA players aren't that. On the other hand most NFL players would gladly play a game of bball against NBA players.
Don’t forget, Charlie was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers. That’s wild.
He was also a good tennis player
He said a lot without saying anything
Loved Charlie Ward, great player, great person and ice cold. Always had a chance to win if he was playing, either sport.
No person in their right mind would choose the NFL over the NBA.
I use to made those shutter window many yrs ago
Charlie Ward would have been a top 10 pick this NFL draft. Heisman trophy and a 10 year NBA career? A point guard not a big man? When they mention Bo and Deion, they also need to mention Charlie Ward…who was a first round NBA pick by the way. Deion went in the 6th round of the MLB draft and Bo went 4th round. Today Charlie woulda went 1st in football and Basketball.
Any draft n history
Fun Fact: Charlie Ward and Doc Rivers played for the NY Knicks in *1994* (they weren't teammates, though)
Doc Rivers, of course, is Austin Rivers' dad.
Basketball Players are more skilled ❤athletes
Put some more respect on his name!! Charlie "Heisman Trophy Winner - National College Football Champion" Ward!!!!!
Charlie should have been a #1 NFL pick. That was in the racist NFL days.
russel maryland, dan wilkinson, kijana carter, orlando pace and keyshawn johnson were all black. Do you actually think before speaking or just don't know football in the slightest? Also, how was the nfl racist when all these #1 picks for 7 years were black? And the year charlie ward was drafted in the nba, oh go figure dan wilkinson was the #1 pick so yeah the racist nfl selected yet another black as the 1st pick... Bait somewhere else
@@macaltime2 NFL was very racist.
@@pglanville yeah sure, bet you also believe America is racist lol
@@macaltime2bruh he’s talking about quarterbacks only. The good ole boy owners didn’t think black players had the mental capacity to play NFL qb. Of course that’s not true. Still they wanted to convert Charlie and other black qb’s to other positions. But fortunately for Charlie he had other options. And the thing is he was a better football player than basketball player.
@@macaltime2It wasn't even a race-baiting comment. You clearly didn't understand the context of the original post, nor did you even attempt to.
Leave it to Dan Patrick to always go next level with the argument. He went and got the only guy who could realistically talk on this subject
I don’t know how I forgot about him. Lol
Imagine winning the national championship, being the consensus best QB in college, winning the Heisman, and being told that you aren’t good enough for first round in NFL but you are actually great enough to get first round in the NBA. Today, this man is CJ Stroud accuracy with the Lamar Jackson muscles.
Only Dan Patrick would know how to bring some perspective into such a silly conversation. All respect to Mr. Charlie Ward!
Charlie Ward won the Heisman, the best honor that a college football player can win. He was essentially the best non-nfl football player at that time, entered the draft and had a solid career where he didn’t even average 10 points, and won no real accolades. Meanwhile, you have dudes like Antonio Gates that never played football in college yet had a hall of fame worthy NFL career. You also have other guys like Jimmy Graham, Tony Gonzalez, etc. Too many examples in favor of basketball to prove the case on which athletes can play what better.
He gave the best answer. A measured response!!!
ward should've played in nfl
Charlie definitely could've played in the NFL. I am a Noles fan to this day because of him, Prime, Brooks, and Dunn.
Charlie Ward he could have played both and he did was really good this is the only guy who has a right to speak on the subject he’s the one who done it
I loved how he analyzed Austin Rivers’ and was definitive in his opinion… he did not and he was not.
Charlie Ward look like a retired Tuskegee Airmen.
CW won a National Championship/Heisman Trophy/and the James A. Sullivan Award.
Charlie Ward is a football player who decided to play basketball. That is the opposite of what Austin Rivers suggested!!!
He didn't decide the NFL didn't want th3 type of qb he was so he played basketball. He was just a player in the league
Great athlete
Ward was underrated. The obvious racism in the NFL really ticked me off.
Ward was a better football player than baskeball player.
This guy won the top honor in the sport and went on to play a whole different sport for a living.
Charlie Ward was an awesome athlete.
He didn't decide to play basketball, he wasnt drafted by the NFL
He was actually a better football player
The NFL has overall higher vertical and 40 yd dash averages. The NBA has height advantage. It all depends on the player. Randy moss was better than Jason Williams I high school but Williams was one who made nba. Just all depends on the person I guess.
Their ragging on Austin Rivers but finding an Antonio Gates is more likely than finding a college Football player who makes to the NBA (without playing). … The most telling point is that: Moss, Charlie Ward, Deion, Bo, Antonio Gates, Julius Peppers, Jim Brown’s best sport was Football. Athleticism directly translates to success in Football more than anything other sport except for track. Hence Jim Thorpe, Bob Hayes & Jackie Robinson were all multi sport athletes who’s second best sport was Football.
@@cedricbeard4609 Generally speaking your point is valid. The flip side is that all those guys you mentioned already had a football mentality. And having that mindset is generally what makes them capable of even competing at the highest levels of any other sport. Because every other sport outside of football is just about a particular skill that needs specific development. It doesn't mean football is the easiest because any track guy can't run routes or catch, and any basketball player can't tackle or block. None of those things mean you have to be tough. But you do have to have the skill and willingness to do it well just like hitting a curve ball. Football produces more athletes in dual sports because it prepares more athletes to play any sport. That's why you don't see any basketball players trying to run track at professional levels or play baseball. Point is that once you have the mentality for football you can translate that more easily to developing a skill in baseball, basketball, track, wrestling, etc.
@@EricA-kl7by and I not only agree, but I’ll go one step further; I kickbox and Basketball players are hit & miss,
but Football players had the “toughness” factor. Obviously other sports like wrestling also had that factor too, but Basketball was one that was hit or miss. I think it’s quite telling that Nate Robinson was a better HS Football player & he had the toughness to get in the ring with Jake Paul.
Jason Williams had the athleticism and skillset to play point guard in the nba. Moss is a 6’5 (at best) power forward. He can’t play in the nba. He would need the skillset of a guard which he didn’t have
@@ElectricLettuce1 Moss was Mr Basketball in West Virginia his Jr & Sr years. Moss was chosen over Jason Williams. Jason has said in interviews that Moss was their leading scorer and star.
Moss would’ve had to be a do it all shooting guard, like D Wade. Michael Redd was also a 6’5 shooting guard, so at 6’4 and committed only to Basketball who knows. D Wade didn’t have a deadly outside jump shoot either.
Allen Iverson was arguably better at Football and he played both point & shooting guard.
Some good points, I don't think the best take. Different sports.
The best point is each sport has athletes and special skill sets that don't directly transfer to another sport. You may look the part in your sport but if you haven't trained enough in another sport, you'll never be as good as the professionals. The biggest bodybuilders on the planet can't beat the best arm wrestlers. The fastest players in any sport won't make the Olympic track team.
We all know why he had to go too the NBA , black and weren't seen as smart enough
THE GREAT CHARLIE WARD 🔥
He's definitely qualified to talk about this topic.
But he really didn’t say much of anything though. It’s like this was his first interview in decades.
Hey! Somebody who actually played both sports.
For the other side, Nate Robinson would've had a legit shot as a CB in the NFL. He was a DOG at U of Washington
Original kyrie Irving. Doesn’t get enough recognition for his dual sport success
My favorite FSU player, Deion 2nd!!
My favorite five FSU players. My uncle Willie Jones Sr., Amp Lee, Charlie Ward, Terrell Buckley, and Peter Warrick
Back then if he would have tried to play in nfl he wouldn’t have gotten drafted at QB. Probably would have had a short career
Dan still asking people for Michael Jordan stories, huh?
Charlie Ward, Heisman in football, no NBA awards, no All Stars, no Chips, no All NBA teams. Flipside, Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, average basketball players, Hall of Fame NFL careers, stop this y'all, this conversation is a waste of time.
*I respect Charlie, but a bunch of Nothing was said*
Why is he a football player playing basketball? It's more like a basketball player playing football!
He was on scholarship for football which meant he played the entire season until he was released to play basketball which was after 1/1 of every year. He also had to lose that football weight of about 10 lbs of muscle before he was highly effective so around February he was a fully contributing member of the big 3 fsu had with Bob sura (now a professional poker player) and Sam Cassell. It was a fourth person on that team that had a cup of coffee in the nba and he was nice too. The NFL wanted him to for go his senior basketball year to show his commitment to football but was still mocking him to be a 3rd to a 5th round pick so he told them not only am I playing basketball but you need to draft me in the 1st round in order for me to play. 3rd to 5th round pick meant significantly less money with no real guaranteed money while basketball was all guaranteed money and longer career. The sad thing is Charlie was not a run first qb so them suggesting he switch to WR was disrespectful af. Meanwhile, the guy that went #1 in that draft was Drew Bledsoe who chose to sit out his senior year to train for the prod which in my opinion should have been a red flag. He didn't want to play his senior year cause Washington state lost talent to graduation and he didn't want their potential lack of success to effect his draft stock.
Finally!
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He won the Heisman then went undrafted why tho?!
Charlie loss alot of weight! I hope he is well!
No one wants to hear about Mike
Charlie Ward has so much information that he could have shared, but he is the most boring person in the world
Dan Patrick SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF! HE KNOWS CHARLIE WARD WAS HELD OUT OF THE NFL FOR BEING "TOO SMALL" 😉. I'll stop there....Dan is lacking. 🤢
Is Charlie getting paid by the word?
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