Stan Winston was one of the best in practical effects and makeup. He created the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park, he designed and built the Predator, and He designed and built the Terminator. He did the effects for Aliens and created the full-size Alien Queen. And that's just the highlights. He did so much for creature effects in films. Even directed his own film Pumpkin Head.
@@hulkhatepunybanner Yep. I remember seeing that on TV when I was like 8 or 9 in the late seventies. Freaked me the hell out but I loved it. I bought it on DVD years ago. Wish they'd print a Blu ray version.
The heated T-800 trying to grab Connor's face when they fought, explains the scars on his face when we saw him in the battlefield flashbacks in Terminator 2.
"In loving memory of Stan Winston" you should definitely look him up, one of the legends of practical effects. He worked on the first few Terminator films, Aliens, Jurassic Park. He's also uncredited on a few movies like The Thing and Predator where he came up with some ideas for creature related things
I love how the music Connor uses to lure in the moto-terminator is actually the same one he listens to at the beginning of Terminator 2, Gun n' Roses - You Could Be Mine
I love the irony of the end. The fact that Skynet resurrected Marcus only to have him turn around and donate his heart to John Connor...indirectly, Skynet saved Connor.
Well, if you think about it, indirectly, Skynet is the reason for John Connor's existence in the first place. If they hadn't sent a Terminator back in time, no one would have sent Kyle Reese back in time, either.
@@Eternal82Soul fate (Berserk's "causality") can't be changed, not by humans, nor by machines, everything that happens, is meant to happen, as it already had happened...
@@Eternal82Soul , At the end of the day it is all a giant paradox, There is the possibility that John had a different father and Kyle changed the future when that happened but it doesnt explain why John gave his mothers photo to Kyle if he had no prior knowledge let alone the photo of his mother was taken after being impreganted by kyle while thinking about kyle. Its just not supposed to really be thought about as the first film is just a self fulfilling prophecy that doesnt stand up to further installments.
@@Eternal82Soul And if Connor hadn't sent Reese back, he and Sarah would never have destroyed the Terminator whose remains became the basis of Skynet. The whole thing's a paradox. Nice bit of writing!
@@Milner62 Yeah but also, according to James Cameron, its possible in the original timeline Skynet wiped out humanity out of fear and regretted its decision, thus creating the paradox of John Connor and Skynet, knowing that John is always fated to win.
As someone who goes camping often... It wasn't ridiculous that they sat so far from the campfire, because if you watch the scene again, the campfire was very big so it emits much more heat when you get closer. The place where they were sitting was the right one and she still felt cold because her clothes were still wet.
Also robots would hunt by looking for heat so you wouldn't want to be near a heat source. Though to be honest this movie gets so much wrong. Marcus would have never got the jeep running. Gas would go bad in a couple months and after year the tires and every gasket in the thing would have dry rotted, the oil would have turned to sludge, etc. The jeep would have to be pretty much completely rebuilt to work. The resistance wouldn't have an air force, as soon as satellites picked up an air strip it would be bombed if not nuked not counting lack of fuel and parts to keep planes in the air. And the sub wouldn't exist either. Yes a nuke reactor runs for years but subs still need to be supplied with food and water, parts to repair it and if they don't understand go extension maintenance every year they lose their stealth capabilities.
@@markcarpenter6020 That's just hollywood. Cars always work in the apocalypse. Can't really blame this movie for any of it. And we have no idea how many satellites skynet has control of. Not to mention airfields are easy to camouflage. We do it now. Plus it's been a major part of the story from the beginning that judgment day only killed about half the population, so while the term resistance makes it sound like a small group, there's still quite a lot of people out there. Skynet doesn't control all of earth. Nuclear subs make their own fresh water. Spare parts are important, but you can keep machines running for a long time without a steady supply. Nuclear subs aren't even stealth capable because you can't shut the coolant pumps off. Only diesel/electric subs are truly stealthy.
@@sumelar half the pop survived judgement day.....but how many survived when the water and food stopped. After they no longer had access to health care... medication or antibiotics. Radiation poisoning. Depression and suicide in the aftermath, how many women died in childbirth etc. Ohh and let's not forget a decade of an artificial intelligence trying to kill them.
@@markcarpenter6020 I just sold a jeep to someone that had been sitting for 3 years and all it needed was a jump. It's not unreasonable to think that they could at least get it running but not drive it for very long.
@@sumelar everybody doing it wrong doesn't make it right. And Skynet would infiltrate every satellite, communications network, and data center there is, not to mention that it would establish many more all around the globe. It knows the locations of every single airport and runway built before the war, as well as every stretch of road and land suitable to use as an airplane runway. And it would actively keep tabs on all these points as well as all potential zones, and you can't stealth build and keep an airbase. And water is not the only consumable on a nuclear sub, plus military equipment, while being sturdy and redundant, needs to be actively and constantly maintained and repaired through its entire service life.
"She only met him today, it's ridiculous" - Usually I'd agree, but this literally is an apocalyptic hell hole of a world. I can see how in this environment, you build up trust to other people either quickly or never.
"In loving memory of Stan Winston" Stan Winston was one of the ABSOLUTE LEGENDS of special effects/ props/ creature designs/ costuming/ prosthetics/ etc. He created the Terminators for the first 4 Terminstor movies, the Alien/Aliens aliens, the Jurassic Park dinosaurs for the first 4 JP movies, the Predator for the first 2 Predator movies, Edward Scissorhands, Iron Man, The Thing, Mr. Roboto (for the music video), The Penguin in Batman Returns, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Avatar.... Stan Winston was a LEGEND. He was the John Williams of creating monsters. Him and Phil Tippett are basically the greatest in that art that have ever lived.
LOL. Most people do. I always liked and enjoyed this film when I first saw it in theaters. I was surprised at how many people actually didn't like this film. But like you, so many have come around on it after Genisys and Dark Fate.
@@antoniochasten3192 The whole thing with the damn trailer spoiling the reveal of Marcus had pissed a LOT of people off... I was honestly a bit impressed that the girls picked up on that immediately. When I first watched it I was just... confused, I didn't immediately expect them to make him into a terminator, I thought he'd been in like a cold storage research facility or the like.
To me the opening battle scene until older Kyle Reese is send back in time, is good enough for me to complete the whole circle of Terminator time loop. I just abandon the whole movie after that....
@@zamhobby9662 I actually like Jai Courteny as an actor in a lot of stuff but he was woefully miscast as Reese. Anton Yelchin would have been a better choice. An even better choice would have been an unknown who could really fit the part.
Did you follow all the Terminator comics? Dark Horse, Now comics had 2 cool mini-series plus there 17. I think it was 17 comics. Most people don't wven know they exist.
@albertmartinez2539 he was the police officer right? Think that comic arc was called "Enemy Within"? I just remember a female Terminator cop karate chopping someone's neck. lol.
Personally I like this movie very much and it doesn't contradict anything from the movies that came before it. Kyle was still freed from a prison camp like he said in the first movie, and John got the scar on his face that we saw in the second movie. What I like the most is seeing the gritty "early years" of the war before Skynet becomes hyper advanced and invent crazy things like time machines and plasma rifles. As for how Skynet learned about Kyle, I suspect it was through the Terminator from T3. It came into direct contact with Skynet before it was destroyed and it might have learned personal stuff about John when it took over Arnold's Terminator. Either that, or perhaps it's possible that Kyle was mentioned in Sarah's medical records from when she was in the mental facility. If so, Skynet might have hacked it's way into those files.
I totally LOVE this movie!!! This was the first Terminator movie I watched in theatres and it was so epic, the music, the story, the action, the effects, the callbacks, I got goose bumps all over my body throughout the entire film, it was such an awesome experience and I do not get the hate this film gets! Oh if only they had continued this new trilogy...
@@akstyles I bet that was cool too, I reckon seeing all the movies in theatres was fun, but having grown up with my dad showing me the original trilogy and then going into Salvation in theatres, that was an unforgettable experience!
11:40 Fun fact -- The first Terminator that appeared in 1984, in the original film, was time-displaced very near Griffith Observatory, where he killed those three punks for their clothes. 12:33 "As long as the signal is going" meaning it's also a beacon to alert Skynet to the location of Resistance forces. 20:25 "You stay down by day, but at nights you can move around. You still gotta be careful, because the H-Ks use infrared. They're not too bright, though. John taught us ways to dust them.... that's when the infiltrators started to appear. Terminators were the newest....the worst...."
Spot on. This movie depicts the time after the attack and before the full rebellion. I just wished they continued. However, if you have a game console or PC, "Terminator: Resistance" is a good interpretation of the future war.
LOL!!! This cinematic abortion is garbage from beginning to end, as is to be expected of bad fan fiction directed by a nobody who insists on calling himself McG. 🙄
And got every detail of that war wrong. There would be no Air force. As soon as a satellite detected an air strip it would have been bombed into the stone age. Not counting the fuel and parts to keep a plane in the air( planes need lots of fuel and maintenance) and a sub with no way to resupply it nor conduct the extensive maintenance in dry dock they need to keep its stealth profile...I could go on an on about how unrealistic the resistance is in this movie. Remember this is years after the war started. Things like subs would have been an out after 2 or 3 years and planes and helicopters (if they still had any) would have been a rare and valuable resource by this point in time.
It's the same with T3 (and to a lesser extent Genisys) for me. Tons of fun action set pieces (and T3 and Genisys really swung for the fences with action imo) and overall a decent enough action romp. But just a decent Terminator movie, though for most people a poor Terminator movie I suppose. I always recommend people watch ALL the movies though.
This movie was filmed and released while Arnold was still the Governor of California which explains his absence. But still, it's just not a _Terminator_ movie without him.
@@LudusAureahave you seen terminator 3? The cgi in that one is way more terrible than this especially the cemetery fight. That one was straight up horrible
Precisely the attitude that killed all hopes of a future war series and saddled us with Genisys and Dark Fate...and the franchise is all the worse for it Arnold's presence served the narrative in the beginning, but by T3 the studio wanted the story to serve Arnold's. They tried to change the paradigm with Salvation...but fans like yourself made sure that path died. It was the wrong call
Anton Yelchin died in a freak accident. His driveway is on a steep incline and his car rolled down it and pinned him when he went to check his mail. :-(
Marcus Wright is a Terminator Hybrid (T-H). He's basically an inferior version of a T-800. He has a metal endoskeleton, blood, living tissue, organs and himself.
43:45 . . . The purpose of this movie was to show the war after judgment day, Kyle Reese’s organs, and Marcus’ story, which also explains why John Connor survived from being almost killed. This was a very unique movie, it is part of the Terminator story. So yes there was a huge point to this movie.
The person playing the CGI Arnold Terminator is Roland Kickinger. He has played as Arnold Schwarzenegger in a biopic and like Arnold he is also an Austrian bodybuilder. As he was acting as Governor he just gave them permission to use his face and they modeled it after 1984 look.
This movie was pretty crazy energy in the theatre, that helicopter crash kicks you right in the gut, and the sound design, like when that giant robot attacks the gas station, just shakes your bones.
That’s only if they do it and it all depends on their TV series schedule, the most recent TV series reactions the girls (Hailey and Stella) reacted were _Wednesday_ and _The Last of Us_
This is my favorite Terminator movie. I really like T1 and T2, they’re absolute classics, but I really liked what they did with this one. Marcus was a solid addition to the franchise.
The movie's ending was changed due to a script leak. In the original script, Conor dies and Markus becomes him. Skynet swaps Marcus's face for Conor to destroy the resistance, but he removes the chip and defeats Skynet, sending Kyle Reese back in time. And the fact that his heart was changed in the wilderness, it really does not stand up to criticism
Im here registering my vote for you guys to watch the tv show, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Its actually really good, better than this, even if the show did get cut short.
I really enjoyed that show. Lena Headey as Sarah Conner and Summer Glau as Cameron Phillips/Allison Young/T-900 was a damn good entry into the Terminator Universe.
Agreed, although I don't know if they'd have the staying power to watch the entire series. I personally loved the Sarah Chronnor Chonicles passionately... especially the later portrayal of John... but when you binge the series now instead of waiting on installments per week you can REALLY feel the pain the writers' strike caused. And season two's cliffhanger was heartbreaking to me. I get how it's not a lot of peoples' cup, but if you're REALLY into Terminator stuff and want some good lower-budget stories that deepen the lore and really dig into the human/philosophical aspects of "man vs AI" (or is that "man vs self?") then it's worth the watch. I'd say give the pilot and first two episodes a watch, and you'll pretty much know by then if you'll like it or not. Pleasure talking with you Tom, Antonio. Be safe out there.
Stan Winston was a LEGEND in the practical (and creature) effects industry. The largest practical and art school for film is named after him. Almost all of the 80's/90s/and 2000+ blockbuster movies with any horror, scifi, or animal practical effects had his (or one of his protegees) hand in it.
Certainly he did a better job than Alan Taylor (GoT hack director who made the worst Thor film before Love and Thunder) did for Genisys and Tim Miller who made Dark Fate. I'd say better than Jonathan Mostow did for T3 also. Salvation had a nice mix of the slasher type elements from T1 and the action of T2. My main complaints are Sam Worthington and Christian Bale. The former simply because I don't like his acting at all, and the latter because it really did seem like they were playing the "look it's Batman!" card in the wake of The Dark Knight - which was the highest grossing comic book related film ever at the time this film was made and they were clearly cashing in on it. It doesn't even look very natural when Bale does it so I wonder if he said the lines straight on set and the popularity of TDK in cinemas caused them to get him to Bats it up for the ADR sessions.
@@mnomadvfx Alan Taylor was just a director for hire But Tim Miller tried to do something different It wasn't his fault that the movie turned out the way it did, killing that one character was James Cameron's idea Miller couldn't do anything about that, since he was just the director
Stella is the epitome of an amazing RUclips reactor. She possesses the rare gift of making even the most terrible movies interesting. Her level of analysis is top-notch, and she delivers her points with such clarity and confidence that it's impossible not to be impressed. Just sheer brilliance when it comes to her reviews, critiques, and explanations. I get so frustrated when reactors know nothing about the real world. Likely, 99% of them never knew Arnold was a Governor of CA or that Anton passed away tragically. Hayley is also very charming and up-to-date on things with an extremely sweet disposition. I vote for these two to get their own network show as the next Siskel and Ebert (or the movie reactor equivalent).
@@MrBreezeLI516 Yes, I've told her that a hundred times. Well, at least 3. HA. She's likely too modest to comment back on all her enthusiastic adulation.
Moon Bloodgood had a great sci-fi show shortly after this, Falling Skies (2011-2015). It's nothing to react to and it will be completely forgotten in time but if you like sci-fi it's a show well worth watching. At least a few episodes to see if it hooks you. Decent writing, good sets and many great actors. Lots of crossovers with the many many many other cheap sci-fi shows produced in Canada between 1997-2015
The actor playing Marcus, Sam Worthington, also stars in Clash of the Titans, Wrath of the Titans and Sabotage. For terminators, the model number is the living tissue, while the series number is the type of endoskeleton. For example, Arnold is the Model 101, series 800/850. The primary foot soldier Skynet uses at this time is the series 600, while infiltration units use a rubber skin coating. The song John plays on his boombox is the same song that's played on the boombox in Terminator 2
I really wish they made more of the movies in the future. This was a solid entry and I was entertained by the idea and potential. I don't think that Bale was the best Connor by all means. I think that he was Mis Casted and someone else could have played him better. But I liked the future war and wish that they did more. But the studio had to have Arnold back and they went backwards after this.
I wish some people would get these other films a chance. they are so hung up on T2 being the end of it all, but they dont seem to understand, T2 is not the end. there is a little acknowledgement that it can go on, judgement day can still happen. its kind of a small thing, so many miss it.
I don't know if he was... miscast, as much as perhaps poorly written? I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles John from the near-end of the second season, he comes off (FINALLY) as someone with the intellect and ability to go head to head against a supercomputer in a game of strategy and actually win. This John is just a tough, hard working military leader with a touch of prophetic wisdom. He doesn't *DO* anything, at all, to make us think "yeah this man can win a game of chess against Skynet." But I do agree with you overall, I don't think Bale had the charisma needed for this character. Which is odd, because he normally does that decently well in his movies. He uh... lol did kinda seem a bit "stressed" during the filming of this one though! Take care out there horrorbuff, pleasure speaking with you.
Same to you and yeah I loved Sarah Connor Chronicles as well. It was just getting good when they cancelled it and I was sad because I wanted to see where it would go. If Cameron would turn evil and all that. I am glad they didn't do a romance between John and Cameron because it would have been easy to do but weird. But it was too expensive to continue. @@wren7195
@@christophersims7060 Agreed friend, it had a very tumultuous production run, and the producers and crew stuck to it through it all best as they could... but ultimately, we lost out on a good story. Take care Chris!
The best sequel after 2 in my opinion. We see the future war and connor as a leader, sadly se didnt see Arnold (because governator) but is a solid movie.
Late comment. Originally the start of a new trilogy. Liked how they presented this new story while paying tribute to the franchise close to it's 25th anniversary. Christian Bale as John Connor was a surprise to me. Bryce Dallas Howard as Kate and pregnant with John's child also unexpected. Sam Worthington (pre-Avatar) as Marcus Wright wasn't too bad neither. The late Anton Yelchin as Reese was perfect. But it erks me that the sequels to Salvation were abandoned when an end to the war and overall saga was possible. I'm glad they dedicated T4 to the late Stan Winston. Truly one the greats of the special effects industry.
Second most underrated. Salvation was supposed to be part of a trilogy, but they cancelled it. Stan Winston created the fx and the design of the Terminator. Look him up, he's actually responsible for the most amazing special fx including Jurassic Park movies.
There was apparantly an alternate ending idea where John would have died, and Markus would have ended up with his skin gone, so to keep the legacy of John going they were going to transplant his skin onto Markus' frame
Stella, I already told you it followed the two main characters from the third movie, John and Kate Connor! Anton Yeltsin was Kyle (& Chekov in the Trek reboots). He died tragically from ignoring the recall notice for his vehicle. 😔 They mentioned Griffith Observatory, a famous landmark, so the audience would know they're near L.A.
Stan Winston was the effects supervisor for most 80's-10's blockbuster films. Main effects advisor for... (From Wiki) Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish) James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Avatar) John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman) Dennis Dugan (The Benchwarmers, You Don't Mess with the Zohan) Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man) Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness) Peter Hyams (The Relic, End of Days) Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below) Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull) Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class", What Lies Beneath) If you want to be a film nerd... you MUST know his work... as you already have seen lots of it. The rest of the Terminator films from here are good entertainment but the lore and story so far just becomes irrelevant and pointless.
Tbh, I really liked this one, it was a bridge, showing you how Kyle and John meet and showing what inspired Skynet/ how Skynet started creating their Terminators to actually look human to better infiltrate the Resistance. You have to remember that they are much less advanced than in the earlier movies where they are coming back from even farther into the future. Plus lots of fun explosions and cute kids, and I really liked Marcus' character - he was there to show that humanity is humanity, regardless of how you try to tamper with them. I think most people just didn't enjoy the tone shift and the lack of real Arnie. It's actually a really decent movie
Crazy thing is that it’s hard to imagine a terminator being good without Arnold swarstenegar. But this sequel without him is much better than the final 2 sequels WITH him.
30:01 Fun fact: The song playing on the boombox is the same song from Terminator 2 when John and his buddy were riding the motor bike when they were on their way to the arcade.
Stan Winston is the animatronic operator who along with his team puppeteered the original Terminator. He's been a long time collaborator with James Cameron in all the Terminator films up to that point. His studio used to be named after him, but after his death, it was renamed Legacy Studios, and they still do animatronics work and pupeteering in honor of Winston.
The Terminator films are so fixated on twisting the history of thease four. An Arnold Terminator, Kyle Reese, Sarah Connor and John Connor. as if the franchise must never expand the storys away from them. The 3rd one adds Kate Brewster as Johns wife, and shows us a Judgment Day with zero time to stoping it. Also adds the T-X to upload timeline data from an old Skynet into a new born Skynet. The Salvation story gives us the Marcus Wright Hybrid and is all about preserving the timeline that thay have, with the expectation of time travel events starting later.
Stan Winston was the undisputed king of practical movie effects and makeup. He was responsible for the effects and makeup for films such as The Thing (1982), Jurassic Park, Friday the 13th films, the original Planet of the Apes, The Terminator films, Interview with the Vampire, Galaxy Quest, Constantine, etc, etc. There is some debate as to who is really the 'king' of practical movie effect, Stan Winston or Rick Baker. And some might argue that Tom Savini is right up there as well, but I'm (personally) on the side of team Winston! :) Rick Baker's work is phenomenal, don't get me wrong, but I just think that Winston edged him out slightly.... Well, actually, I don't know, they're both pretty darn amazing! I not fully sure who Joseph R. Kubicek Sr. was, but I believe he was an essential part of the Stan Winston effects team. So they honored his memory along with Winston in this film.
Glad you continued the series. This movie is awesome. I always wanted to see the war against the machines. I rank it behind the first 2. Not the best, but some great action.
It's not Terminator obviously but you two definitely need to watch reign of fire. It's Matthew McConaughey and Christian Bale before Batman begins and it's about dragons. Very good movie
Your answer to the question of how skynet knows to goes after Kyle is easy, the first terminator they sent back wasn't just for killing Sarah, it was to ensure skynet's creation would happen. I guess somewhere down the line skynet changed the timeline and kept on doing so as it kept losing the war, so the time machine was just a reset button for them to try a new method.
Your comment about them being easier to kill. Remember you are in a war zone with military equipment. Things like armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium are not readily available at the corner gun store. But if you get your hands on some stuff meant for real war and you are quite effective against an armored target.
I saw this in the theater with 3 others. 2 of us liked it and the other 2 hated it. I really like this one. It's definitely my favorite of the modern reimaginings. This one is severely underrated. The score by Danny Elfman is awesome!
This is easily the best terminator sequel since judgment day Imo McG did a brilliant job directing it fun fact he went to meet James Cameron and layed out the story they were going for and Jim really liked there ideas Jim recommended Sam Worthington for the character of Marcus as he just worked with him on Avatar brilliant casting as he's such a great underrated actor
I believe the original plan for this movie was to have Marcus Wright take over as John Conner, but Christian Bale flexed his "big movie star" card and had the ending changed.
Bruh.. he saved her life.. women I barely know have cuddled up to me for far less.. lmao.. like y'all wouldn't cuddle up to Sam Worthington after he saved your life all day in a post apocalyptic wasteland.. Please.
Fun fact: The thing about air bubbles in syringes is just a myth. You would need to inject an entire IV tube's length of air into someone for it to kill them, so some small bubbles here or there aren't really harmful. In Terminator 2 when Sarah is about to fill the syringe with cleaner to threaten Dr. Silberman, she stabbed the orderly she knocked out in the butt and shot the entire syringe of air into his butt. That scene is not my point of reference, just an accurate example. ❤
@@WalkerRileyMC It was empty. She grabbed an empty syringe from the tray on the counter, flicked up the plunger with her thumb, then stuck it in the guy and pressed the plunger down. She caught them off guard, they didn't even know she had escaped until that moment.
I went to see this in the cinema. The most memorable part of the experience was the idiot who'd brought his 4 year old with him who was surprised when this kid started screaming in terror about 4 minutes into the film.
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The thing (and the sad thing actually) is that, Salvation was going to be the first part of the Future War trilogy, but it didn't come to be. It was going to be a full arc story but they changed the plans. :( I wish they had stuck to this story to witness for the first time the actual future war as it happens, and not through memories, dreams or anecdotes.
STAN WINSTON was working on Terminator: Salvation and Avatar when he died of cancer. He won Oscars for Heartbeeps, Aliens, two for Terminator 2: Judgment Day, and for Jurassic Park. He was nominated for Best Visual Effects and/or Best Makeup for The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, Predator, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman Returns. He won an Emmy for Outstanding Makeup for The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman. He regularly or repeatedly did the special/prosthetic makeup or the visual special effects for Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish), James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Avatar), John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman), Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man), Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness), Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below), Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), and Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class," What Lies Beneath).
I enjoyed all the T movies but T1 and T2 were on another level. I was always entertained by the others as they kept my interest level up. And always fun😊 great commentary ladies❤
This movie is basically the John Connor meets Kyle Reese movie. It isn't about moving the narrative in any particular direction. It JC meets his dad. Terminators trying to kill people. Terminators capturing people. A Terminator that doesn't know it's a Terminator. Stuff blowing up. Bravo. Long live anything Terminator.
As originally filmed, John Connor's brain was put in Marcus' terminator body at the end, Sam Worthington was to play Connor in future sequels but test audiences hated it so they reshot the end and added the scenes throughout emphasizing Marcus' heart.
I loved this movie because i grew up with it, and we also got to see during the war instead of going back to the 80s. We are seeing the gritty and dangerous world John, Kyle, and Sarah are trying to fight and why they should fight.
Yes folks, Marcus, the human hybid terminator, is the one that taught Kyle Reese to string a shotgun to his shoulder. And also we learn how John Connor got his scar on his face when we first see him in T2. Got to appreciate the work to connect the first two films with this one with continuity.
Awesome reactions, as usual! I really liked this movie because we finally got to see the T-600 series robots in action. I thought Worthington did a pretty good job and I liked his character which was sort of a hybrid, experimental terminator. Of course Bale killed it as John Connor, I think. Worth the freakout on set because the guy is so passionate about his job!
man i use to have nightmares as a child when i saw this in theaters man i was scared to go to sleep thinking at terminator was gonna burst through my wall lol
Stan Winston was one of the best in practical effects and makeup. He created the dinosaurs for Jurassic Park, he designed and built the Predator, and He designed and built the Terminator. He did the effects for Aliens and created the full-size Alien Queen. And that's just the highlights. He did so much for creature effects in films. Even directed his own film Pumpkin Head.
Could not have written this better myself, good job , exactly who Stan Winston was.
Beyond Legendary studio and Man, rip legends never die.
*Don't forget Gargoyles (1972).*
@@hulkhatepunybanner Yep. I remember seeing that on TV when I was like 8 or 9 in the late seventies. Freaked me the hell out but I loved it. I bought it on DVD years ago. Wish they'd print a Blu ray version.
@@user-le6ex5rc1s idk i feel kids still mess with Jurassic Park, its timeless.
The heated T-800 trying to grab Connor's face when they fought, explains the scars on his face when we saw him in the battlefield flashbacks in Terminator 2.
"In loving memory of Stan Winston" you should definitely look him up, one of the legends of practical effects. He worked on the first few Terminator films, Aliens, Jurassic Park. He's also uncredited on a few movies like The Thing and Predator where he came up with some ideas for creature related things
The first Pumpkinhead is a horror and practical effects classic IMO.
"She meet him today!" So did Sarah, so did John.
I love how the music Connor uses to lure in the moto-terminator is actually the same one he listens to at the beginning of Terminator 2, Gun n' Roses - You Could Be Mine
I love the irony of the end. The fact that Skynet resurrected Marcus only to have him turn around and donate his heart to John Connor...indirectly, Skynet saved Connor.
Well, if you think about it, indirectly, Skynet is the reason for John Connor's existence in the first place. If they hadn't sent a Terminator back in time, no one would have sent Kyle Reese back in time, either.
@@Eternal82Soul fate (Berserk's "causality") can't be changed, not by humans, nor by machines, everything that happens, is meant to happen, as it already had happened...
@@Eternal82Soul , At the end of the day it is all a giant paradox, There is the possibility that John had a different father and Kyle changed the future when that happened but it doesnt explain why John gave his mothers photo to Kyle if he had no prior knowledge let alone the photo of his mother was taken after being impreganted by kyle while thinking about kyle. Its just not supposed to really be thought about as the first film is just a self fulfilling prophecy that doesnt stand up to further installments.
@@Eternal82Soul And if Connor hadn't sent Reese back, he and Sarah would never have destroyed the Terminator whose remains became the basis of Skynet.
The whole thing's a paradox. Nice bit of writing!
@@Milner62 Yeah but also, according to James Cameron, its possible in the original timeline Skynet wiped out humanity out of fear and regretted its decision, thus creating the paradox of John Connor and Skynet, knowing that John is always fated to win.
As someone who goes camping often... It wasn't ridiculous that they sat so far from the campfire, because if you watch the scene again, the campfire was very big so it emits much more heat when you get closer. The place where they were sitting was the right one and she still felt cold because her clothes were still wet.
Also robots would hunt by looking for heat so you wouldn't want to be near a heat source. Though to be honest this movie gets so much wrong. Marcus would have never got the jeep running. Gas would go bad in a couple months and after year the tires and every gasket in the thing would have dry rotted, the oil would have turned to sludge, etc. The jeep would have to be pretty much completely rebuilt to work. The resistance wouldn't have an air force, as soon as satellites picked up an air strip it would be bombed if not nuked not counting lack of fuel and parts to keep planes in the air. And the sub wouldn't exist either. Yes a nuke reactor runs for years but subs still need to be supplied with food and water, parts to repair it and if they don't understand go extension maintenance every year they lose their stealth capabilities.
@@markcarpenter6020 That's just hollywood. Cars always work in the apocalypse. Can't really blame this movie for any of it. And we have no idea how many satellites skynet has control of. Not to mention airfields are easy to camouflage. We do it now. Plus it's been a major part of the story from the beginning that judgment day only killed about half the population, so while the term resistance makes it sound like a small group, there's still quite a lot of people out there. Skynet doesn't control all of earth. Nuclear subs make their own fresh water. Spare parts are important, but you can keep machines running for a long time without a steady supply. Nuclear subs aren't even stealth capable because you can't shut the coolant pumps off. Only diesel/electric subs are truly stealthy.
@@sumelar half the pop survived judgement day.....but how many survived when the water and food stopped. After they no longer had access to health care... medication or antibiotics. Radiation poisoning. Depression and suicide in the aftermath, how many women died in childbirth etc. Ohh and let's not forget a decade of an artificial intelligence trying to kill them.
@@markcarpenter6020 I just sold a jeep to someone that had been sitting for 3 years and all it needed was a jump. It's not unreasonable to think that they could at least get it running but not drive it for very long.
@@sumelar everybody doing it wrong doesn't make it right. And Skynet would infiltrate every satellite, communications network, and data center there is, not to mention that it would establish many more all around the globe. It knows the locations of every single airport and runway built before the war, as well as every stretch of road and land suitable to use as an airplane runway. And it would actively keep tabs on all these points as well as all potential zones, and you can't stealth build and keep an airbase. And water is not the only consumable on a nuclear sub, plus military equipment, while being sturdy and redundant, needs to be actively and constantly maintained and repaired through its entire service life.
"She only met him today, it's ridiculous" - Usually I'd agree, but this literally is an apocalyptic hell hole of a world. I can see how in this environment, you build up trust to other people either quickly or never.
When life and death is on the line at least a few minutes every day, hell yah
"In loving memory of Stan Winston"
Stan Winston was one of the ABSOLUTE LEGENDS of special effects/ props/ creature designs/ costuming/ prosthetics/ etc.
He created the Terminators for the first 4 Terminstor movies, the Alien/Aliens aliens, the Jurassic Park dinosaurs for the first 4 JP movies, the Predator for the first 2 Predator movies, Edward Scissorhands, Iron Man, The Thing, Mr. Roboto (for the music video), The Penguin in Batman Returns, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Avatar....
Stan Winston was a LEGEND.
He was the John Williams of creating monsters.
Him and Phil Tippett are basically the greatest in that art that have ever lived.
After seeing Terminator:Genisys and Dark Fate, I definitely have a greater appreciation for this movie.
LOL. Most people do. I always liked and enjoyed this film when I first saw it in theaters. I was surprised at how many people actually didn't like this film. But like you, so many have come around on it after Genisys and Dark Fate.
@@antoniochasten3192 The whole thing with the damn trailer spoiling the reveal of Marcus had pissed a LOT of people off... I was honestly a bit impressed that the girls picked up on that immediately. When I first watched it I was just... confused, I didn't immediately expect them to make him into a terminator, I thought he'd been in like a cold storage research facility or the like.
Agree
To me the opening battle scene until older Kyle Reese is send back in time, is good enough for me to complete the whole circle of Terminator time loop. I just abandon the whole movie after that....
@@zamhobby9662 I actually like Jai Courteny as an actor in a lot of stuff but he was woefully miscast as Reese. Anton Yelchin would have been a better choice. An even better choice would have been an unknown who could really fit the part.
Stella: "It's like a terminator worm" ... I can't believe she didn't say WORMINATOR!
One thing i liked was that they included some Terminator comic books lore like the Terminator/human hybrid.
Like Dudley
Did you follow all the Terminator comics? Dark Horse, Now comics had 2 cool mini-series plus there 17. I think it was 17 comics. Most people don't wven know they exist.
@albertmartinez2539 he was the police officer right? Think that comic arc was called "Enemy Within"? I just remember a female Terminator cop karate chopping someone's neck. lol.
@@christophersims7060 I did follow until about the T2 comics.
Personally I like this movie very much and it doesn't contradict anything from the movies that came before it. Kyle was still freed from a prison camp like he said in the first movie, and John got the scar on his face that we saw in the second movie. What I like the most is seeing the gritty "early years" of the war before Skynet becomes hyper advanced and invent crazy things like time machines and plasma rifles.
As for how Skynet learned about Kyle, I suspect it was through the Terminator from T3. It came into direct contact with Skynet before it was destroyed and it might have learned personal stuff about John when it took over Arnold's Terminator. Either that, or perhaps it's possible that Kyle was mentioned in Sarah's medical records from when she was in the mental facility. If so, Skynet might have hacked it's way into those files.
I totally LOVE this movie!!! This was the first Terminator movie I watched in theatres and it was so epic, the music, the story, the action, the effects, the callbacks, I got goose bumps all over my body throughout the entire film, it was such an awesome experience and I do not get the hate this film gets! Oh if only they had continued this new trilogy...
Imagine watching T2 in theatres
@@akstyles I bet that was cool too, I reckon seeing all the movies in theatres was fun, but having grown up with my dad showing me the original trilogy and then going into Salvation in theatres, that was an unforgettable experience!
11:40 Fun fact -- The first Terminator that appeared in 1984, in the original film, was time-displaced very near Griffith Observatory, where he killed those three punks for their clothes.
12:33 "As long as the signal is going" meaning it's also a beacon to alert Skynet to the location of Resistance forces.
20:25 "You stay down by day, but at nights you can move around. You still gotta be careful, because the H-Ks use infrared.
They're not too bright, though. John taught us ways to dust them.... that's when the infiltrators started to appear. Terminators were the newest....the worst...."
The signal trap is just the sort of thing an advanced AI would come up with.
I don't care what anyone says, this movie is damn good. It finally showed us the war, or at least the early stages of it. Imagine if they continued
Spot on.
This movie depicts the time after the attack and before the full rebellion. I just wished they continued. However, if you have a game console or PC, "Terminator: Resistance" is a good interpretation of the future war.
LOL!!! This cinematic abortion is garbage from beginning to end, as is to be expected of bad fan fiction directed by a nobody who insists on calling himself McG. 🙄
I guess we'll never know
And got every detail of that war wrong. There would be no Air force. As soon as a satellite detected an air strip it would have been bombed into the stone age. Not counting the fuel and parts to keep a plane in the air( planes need lots of fuel and maintenance) and a sub with no way to resupply it nor conduct the extensive maintenance in dry dock they need to keep its stealth profile...I could go on an on about how unrealistic the resistance is in this movie. Remember this is years after the war started. Things like subs would have been an out after 2 or 3 years and planes and helicopters (if they still had any) would have been a rare and valuable resource by this point in time.
It's the same with T3 (and to a lesser extent Genisys) for me. Tons of fun action set pieces (and T3 and Genisys really swung for the fences with action imo) and overall a decent enough action romp. But just a decent Terminator movie, though for most people a poor Terminator movie I suppose. I always recommend people watch ALL the movies though.
This movie was filmed and released while Arnold was still the Governor of California which explains his absence. But still, it's just not a _Terminator_ movie without him.
Very much agreed.
And the cg ew
@@LudusAureahave you seen terminator 3? The cgi in that one is way more terrible than this especially the cemetery fight. That one was straight up horrible
Precisely the attitude that killed all hopes of a future war series and saddled us with Genisys and Dark Fate...and the franchise is all the worse for it
Arnold's presence served the narrative in the beginning, but by T3 the studio wanted the story to serve Arnold's. They tried to change the paradigm with Salvation...but fans like yourself made sure that path died.
It was the wrong call
Arnold it's not synonyms of Terminator. Period.
RIP Anton Yelchin
At least a few times a year I'll remember what happened to him, what a tragedy
@@nicemarmote42 what happened?
He got run over by his own car, I think the break failed and it rolled down a driveway. Just a completely random awful thing
Anton Yelchin died in a freak accident. His driveway is on a steep incline and his car rolled down it and pinned him when he went to check his mail. :-(
What a sad unfortunate death. Anton was so unlucky
Marcus Wright is a Terminator Hybrid (T-H). He's basically an inferior version of a T-800. He has a metal endoskeleton, blood, living tissue, organs and himself.
43:45 . . . The purpose of this movie was to show the war after judgment day, Kyle Reese’s organs, and Marcus’ story, which also explains why John Connor survived from being almost killed. This was a very unique movie, it is part of the Terminator story. So yes there was a huge point to this movie.
The person playing the CGI Arnold Terminator is Roland Kickinger. He has played as Arnold Schwarzenegger in a biopic and like Arnold he is also an Austrian bodybuilder.
As he was acting as Governor he just gave them permission to use his face and they modeled it after 1984 look.
This movie was pretty crazy energy in the theatre, that helicopter crash kicks you right in the gut, and the sound design, like when that giant robot attacks the gas station, just shakes your bones.
You better watch THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES!!!!!
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That’s only if they do it and it all depends on their TV series schedule, the most recent TV series reactions the girls (Hailey and Stella) reacted were _Wednesday_ and _The Last of Us_
A great show!
I think one of the biggest problems with the movie was that the trailer spoiled Marcus being a terminator.
I personally loved this one.
Terminator 2 did the same thing and Terminator Genesys continued the tradition of spoiling the twist in the trailer.
@@richetoku oh yeah, i forgot i heard about the terminator 2 trailer spoiling things.
The story in the Terminator movies is told in different timelines:
A) T1, T2, T3, Salvation
B) Genisys
C) T1, T2, Dark Fate
Where is the Terminator 2 reaction from them?
I consider Genisys and Dark Fate as alternate universe stories. Not the main story. T1- TS is the main story.
This is my favorite Terminator movie. I really like T1 and T2, they’re absolute classics, but I really liked what they did with this one. Marcus was a solid addition to the franchise.
37:58 that's the scar that you can see in the future scenes of Connor in T2
Stan Winston was the visual fx man . Absolute legend in the industry.
The movie's ending was changed due to a script leak. In the original script, Conor dies and Markus becomes him. Skynet swaps Marcus's face for Conor to destroy the resistance, but he removes the chip and defeats Skynet, sending Kyle Reese back in time. And the fact that his heart was changed in the wilderness, it really does not stand up to criticism
Most underrated Terminator😎
This one and T3
Yay! My personal favorite!
Im here registering my vote for you guys to watch the tv show, the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Its actually really good, better than this, even if the show did get cut short.
I really enjoyed that show. Lena Headey as Sarah Conner and Summer Glau as Cameron Phillips/Allison Young/T-900 was a damn good entry into the Terminator Universe.
Agreed, although I don't know if they'd have the staying power to watch the entire series. I personally loved the Sarah Chronnor Chonicles passionately... especially the later portrayal of John... but when you binge the series now instead of waiting on installments per week you can REALLY feel the pain the writers' strike caused. And season two's cliffhanger was heartbreaking to me. I get how it's not a lot of peoples' cup, but if you're REALLY into Terminator stuff and want some good lower-budget stories that deepen the lore and really dig into the human/philosophical aspects of "man vs AI" (or is that "man vs self?") then it's worth the watch.
I'd say give the pilot and first two episodes a watch, and you'll pretty much know by then if you'll like it or not. Pleasure talking with you Tom, Antonio. Be safe out there.
Yep. Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only thing which is almost up to T1-T2...
Where is the Terminator 2 reaction from them?
Stan Winston was a LEGEND in the practical (and creature) effects industry. The largest practical and art school for film is named after him. Almost all of the 80's/90s/and 2000+ blockbuster movies with any horror, scifi, or animal practical effects had his (or one of his protegees) hand in it.
McG's approach in this movie felt solid
He deserves another chance because he's still got a lot to offer
Have anyone seen THE BABYSITTER?
Certainly he did a better job than Alan Taylor (GoT hack director who made the worst Thor film before Love and Thunder) did for Genisys and Tim Miller who made Dark Fate.
I'd say better than Jonathan Mostow did for T3 also.
Salvation had a nice mix of the slasher type elements from T1 and the action of T2.
My main complaints are Sam Worthington and Christian Bale.
The former simply because I don't like his acting at all, and the latter because it really did seem like they were playing the "look it's Batman!" card in the wake of The Dark Knight - which was the highest grossing comic book related film ever at the time this film was made and they were clearly cashing in on it.
It doesn't even look very natural when Bale does it so I wonder if he said the lines straight on set and the popularity of TDK in cinemas caused them to get him to Bats it up for the ADR sessions.
@@mnomadvfx
Alan Taylor was just a director for hire
But Tim Miller tried to do something different
It wasn't his fault that the movie turned out the way it did, killing that one character was James Cameron's idea
Miller couldn't do anything about that, since he was just the director
I was so surprised when I saw his name pop up in babysitter really improved his work
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Stella is the epitome of an amazing RUclips reactor. She possesses the rare gift of making even the most terrible movies interesting. Her level of analysis is top-notch, and she delivers her points with such clarity and confidence that it's impossible not to be impressed. Just sheer brilliance when it comes to her reviews, critiques, and explanations. I get so frustrated when reactors know nothing about the real world. Likely, 99% of them never knew Arnold was a Governor of CA or that Anton passed away tragically. Hayley is also very charming and up-to-date on things with an extremely sweet disposition. I vote for these two to get their own network show as the next Siskel and Ebert (or the movie reactor equivalent).
Stella is the anti-Ash 😄
Not to mention next level cutie!!! 🥰
@@MrBreezeLI516 Yes, I've told her that a hundred times. Well, at least 3. HA. She's likely too modest to comment back on all her enthusiastic adulation.
Moon Bloodgood had a great sci-fi show shortly after this, Falling Skies (2011-2015). It's nothing to react to and it will be completely forgotten in time but if you like sci-fi it's a show well worth watching. At least a few episodes to see if it hooks you. Decent writing, good sets and many great actors. Lots of crossovers with the many many many other cheap sci-fi shows produced in Canada between 1997-2015
Falling Skies was good but I never got to see the end of that series
The actor playing Marcus, Sam Worthington, also stars in Clash of the Titans, Wrath of the Titans and Sabotage. For terminators, the model number is the living tissue, while the series number is the type of endoskeleton. For example, Arnold is the Model 101, series 800/850. The primary foot soldier Skynet uses at this time is the series 600, while infiltration units use a rubber skin coating. The song John plays on his boombox is the same song that's played on the boombox in Terminator 2
Also avatar. He got a lot of very notable movies. Great actor
I really wish they made more of the movies in the future. This was a solid entry and I was entertained by the idea and potential. I don't think that Bale was the best Connor by all means. I think that he was Mis Casted and someone else could have played him better. But I liked the future war and wish that they did more. But the studio had to have Arnold back and they went backwards after this.
I wish some people would get these other films a chance. they are so hung up on T2 being the end of it all, but they dont seem to understand, T2 is not the end. there is a little acknowledgement that it can go on, judgement day can still happen. its kind of a small thing, so many miss it.
I don't know if he was... miscast, as much as perhaps poorly written? I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles John from the near-end of the second season, he comes off (FINALLY) as someone with the intellect and ability to go head to head against a supercomputer in a game of strategy and actually win. This John is just a tough, hard working military leader with a touch of prophetic wisdom. He doesn't *DO* anything, at all, to make us think "yeah this man can win a game of chess against Skynet."
But I do agree with you overall, I don't think Bale had the charisma needed for this character. Which is odd, because he normally does that decently well in his movies. He uh... lol did kinda seem a bit "stressed" during the filming of this one though!
Take care out there horrorbuff, pleasure speaking with you.
Same to you and yeah I loved Sarah Connor Chronicles as well. It was just getting good when they cancelled it and I was sad because I wanted to see where it would go. If Cameron would turn evil and all that. I am glad they didn't do a romance between John and Cameron because it would have been easy to do but weird. But it was too expensive to continue. @@wren7195
@@wren7195Sarah Conner Chronicles really added to the story, bummer they got cut short.
@@christophersims7060 Agreed friend, it had a very tumultuous production run, and the producers and crew stuck to it through it all best as they could... but ultimately, we lost out on a good story. Take care Chris!
I think you guys would enjoy watching The Sarah Conner Chronicles. Terminator 1, 2, Salvation and SCC are awesome!
Jameron :3
The best sequel after 2 in my opinion. We see the future war and connor as a leader, sadly se didnt see Arnold (because governator) but is a solid movie.
Late comment.
Originally the start of a new trilogy.
Liked how they presented this new story while paying tribute to the franchise close to it's 25th anniversary.
Christian Bale as John Connor was a surprise to me.
Bryce Dallas Howard as Kate and pregnant with John's child also unexpected.
Sam Worthington (pre-Avatar) as Marcus Wright wasn't too bad neither.
The late Anton Yelchin as Reese was perfect.
But it erks me that the sequels to Salvation were abandoned when an end to the war and overall saga was possible.
I'm glad they dedicated T4 to the late Stan Winston.
Truly one the greats of the special effects industry.
Second most underrated. Salvation was supposed to be part of a trilogy, but they cancelled it.
Stan Winston created the fx and the design of the Terminator. Look him up, he's actually responsible for the most amazing special fx including Jurassic Park movies.
There was apparantly an alternate ending idea where John would have died, and Markus would have ended up with his skin gone, so to keep the legacy of John going they were going to transplant his skin onto Markus' frame
I wish they would of stylised the cinematography to match those of the future war scenes from the first two, the night scenes, blue hue, lasers etc.
Stella, I already told you it followed the two main characters from the third movie, John and Kate Connor!
Anton Yeltsin was Kyle (& Chekov in the Trek reboots). He died tragically from ignoring the recall notice for his vehicle. 😔
They mentioned Griffith Observatory, a famous landmark, so the audience would know they're near L.A.
Stan Winston was the effects supervisor for most 80's-10's blockbuster films.
Main effects advisor for...
(From Wiki)
Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish)
James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Avatar)
John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman)
Dennis Dugan (The Benchwarmers, You Don't Mess with the Zohan)
Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man)
Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness)
Peter Hyams (The Relic, End of Days)
Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below)
Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull)
Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class", What Lies Beneath)
If you want to be a film nerd... you MUST know his work... as you already have seen lots of it.
The rest of the Terminator films from here are good entertainment but the lore and story so far just becomes irrelevant and pointless.
Not to mention his best students/co-workers created Legacy Effects; which makes Stan the grandfather of the new Gorn.
Tbh, I really liked this one, it was a bridge, showing you how Kyle and John meet and showing what inspired Skynet/ how Skynet started creating their Terminators to actually look human to better infiltrate the Resistance. You have to remember that they are much less advanced than in the earlier movies where they are coming back from even farther into the future. Plus lots of fun explosions and cute kids, and I really liked Marcus' character - he was there to show that humanity is humanity, regardless of how you try to tamper with them. I think most people just didn't enjoy the tone shift and the lack of real Arnie. It's actually a really decent movie
Crazy thing is that it’s hard to imagine a terminator being good without Arnold swarstenegar. But this sequel without him is much better than the final 2 sequels WITH him.
30:01 Fun fact: The song playing on the boombox is the same song from Terminator 2 when John and his buddy were riding the motor bike when they were on their way to the arcade.
Stan Winston is the animatronic operator who along with his team puppeteered the original Terminator. He's been a long time collaborator with James Cameron in all the Terminator films up to that point. His studio used to be named after him, but after his death, it was renamed Legacy Studios, and they still do animatronics work and pupeteering in honor of Winston.
I weeped when they had no clue who Stan Winston was. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭❤️🤖
The Terminator films are so fixated on twisting the history of thease four. An Arnold Terminator, Kyle Reese, Sarah Connor and John Connor. as if the franchise must never expand the storys away from them. The 3rd one adds Kate Brewster as Johns wife, and shows us a Judgment Day with zero time to stoping it. Also adds the T-X to upload timeline data from an old Skynet into a new born Skynet. The Salvation story gives us the Marcus Wright Hybrid and is all about preserving the timeline that thay have, with the expectation of time travel events starting later.
RIP to Anton, that man was an amazing actor
What cracks me the most about this movie is when a terminator manages to grab John but instead of breaking his neck, it just tosses him around.🤣
Absolutely dumb and unbelievable.
John Cameron came back to be part of 4 after skipping 3. I love this one the first 2 bore me to tears.
Stan Winston was the undisputed king of practical movie effects and makeup. He was responsible for the effects and makeup for films such as The Thing (1982), Jurassic Park, Friday the 13th films, the original Planet of the Apes, The Terminator films, Interview with the Vampire, Galaxy Quest, Constantine, etc, etc. There is some debate as to who is really the 'king' of practical movie effect, Stan Winston or Rick Baker. And some might argue that Tom Savini is right up there as well, but I'm (personally) on the side of team Winston! :) Rick Baker's work is phenomenal, don't get me wrong, but I just think that Winston edged him out slightly.... Well, actually, I don't know, they're both pretty darn amazing!
I not fully sure who Joseph R. Kubicek Sr. was, but I believe he was an essential part of the Stan Winston effects team. So they honored his memory along with Winston in this film.
They discussed filming an alternate ending, but didn't. It was an awesome idea. The studio thought it was too dark. They should have filmed it!
Glad you continued the series. This movie is awesome. I always wanted to see the war against the machines. I rank it behind the first 2. Not the best, but some great action.
Underrated film
It's not Terminator obviously but you two definitely need to watch reign of fire. It's Matthew McConaughey and Christian Bale before Batman begins and it's about dragons. Very good movie
This was an underrated entry, THEN as the subsequent sequels came out, it became even more so.
Your answer to the question of how skynet knows to goes after Kyle is easy, the first terminator they sent back wasn't just for killing Sarah, it was to ensure skynet's creation would happen. I guess somewhere down the line skynet changed the timeline and kept on doing so as it kept losing the war, so the time machine was just a reset button for them to try a new method.
I can't believe Stella passed up "worminator" after the brilliant "Deus Rex Machina" during Jurassic Park. Your pun game is slipping, dude!
Your comment about them being easier to kill. Remember you are in a war zone with military equipment. Things like armor piercing rounds and depleted uranium are not readily available at the corner gun store. But if you get your hands on some stuff meant for real war and you are quite effective against an armored target.
Glad you ladies are watching all the movies. Enjoyed the reaction videos.
I saw this in the theater with 3 others. 2 of us liked it and the other 2 hated it.
I really like this one. It's definitely my favorite of the modern reimaginings. This one is severely underrated.
The score by Danny Elfman is awesome!
I can't believe you just quoted Jar Jar Binks. I can't believe I remembered that quote. Damn you Star Wars Pre-Sequals!
Of the Termiantor sequels, for me this is one of the best, at least it tells a different story than the rest.
after 2 and 1 for me this is the next best terminator movie
This is easily the best terminator sequel since judgment day Imo McG did a brilliant job directing it fun fact he went to meet James Cameron and layed out the story they were going for and Jim really liked there ideas Jim recommended Sam Worthington for the character of Marcus as he just worked with him on Avatar brilliant casting as he's such a great underrated actor
You 2 and the guys are great reactors, I enjoy your channel very much, thank you for your videos and taking the time to share them with us ☺
"In Memory of Stan Winston"
Stan Winston and Ray Harryhausen were the 2 greatest model/monster/practical effects wizards in movies ever.
I believe the original plan for this movie was to have Marcus Wright take over as John Conner, but Christian Bale flexed his "big movie star" card and had the ending changed.
Bruh.. he saved her life.. women I barely know have cuddled up to me for far less.. lmao.. like y'all wouldn't cuddle up to Sam Worthington after he saved your life all day in a post apocalyptic wasteland.. Please.
Fun fact: The thing about air bubbles in syringes is just a myth. You would need to inject an entire IV tube's length of air into someone for it to kill them, so some small bubbles here or there aren't really harmful. In Terminator 2 when Sarah is about to fill the syringe with cleaner to threaten Dr. Silberman, she stabbed the orderly she knocked out in the butt and shot the entire syringe of air into his butt. That scene is not my point of reference, just an accurate example. ❤
She injected the sedative he was going to use on her. It wasn't an empty syringe.
@@WalkerRileyMC It was empty. She grabbed an empty syringe from the tray on the counter, flicked up the plunger with her thumb, then stuck it in the guy and pressed the plunger down. She caught them off guard, they didn't even know she had escaped until that moment.
Stan Winston was basically the GOAT of practical creature effects. A true legend.
They had a Subplot of Humans that were helping Skynet but that all got cut except for the scene where there’s people overlooking the prison camp
I love the concept of the T-hybrid in this and I wish they'd done more with it.
i love this movie, i dont care what anyone says.
I went to see this in the cinema. The most memorable part of the experience was the idiot who'd brought his 4 year old with him who was surprised when this kid started screaming in terror about 4 minutes into the film.
The thing (and the sad thing actually) is that, Salvation was going to be the first part of the Future War trilogy, but it didn't come to be. It was going to be a full arc story but they changed the plans. :(
I wish they had stuck to this story to witness for the first time the actual future war as it happens, and not through memories, dreams or anecdotes.
I actually liked this movie. I wish more Terminator movies were about the war between humans and machines.
STAN WINSTON was working on Terminator: Salvation and Avatar when he died of cancer.
He won Oscars for Heartbeeps, Aliens, two for Terminator 2: Judgment Day, and for Jurassic Park. He was nominated for Best Visual Effects and/or Best Makeup for The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, Predator, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman Returns.
He won an Emmy for Outstanding Makeup for The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman.
He regularly or repeatedly did the special/prosthetic makeup or the visual special effects for Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Batman Returns, Big Fish), James Cameron (The Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Avatar), John Carpenter (The Thing, Starman), Jon Favreau (Zathura: A Space Adventure, Iron Man), Stephen Hopkins (Predator 2, The Ghost and the Darkness), Frank Marshall (Congo, Eight Below), Steven Spielberg (Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, A.I. Artificial Intelligence, War of the Worlds, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull), and Robert Zemeckis (Amazing Stories episode "Go to the Head of the Class," What Lies Beneath).
I'm glad you guys reacted to this! There's not many people that react to Salvation.
I enjoyed all the T movies but T1 and T2 were on another level. I was always entertained by the others as they kept my interest level up. And always fun😊 great commentary ladies❤
12:10 Or a Worm-inator.
I'll get my coat.
I love it! :D
This movie is basically the John Connor meets Kyle Reese movie. It isn't about moving the narrative in any particular direction. It JC meets his dad. Terminators trying to kill people. Terminators capturing people. A Terminator that doesn't know it's a Terminator. Stuff blowing up. Bravo. Long live anything Terminator.
28:54 "ok fine we cuddled that's why" 😂😂😂
As originally filmed, John Connor's brain was put in Marcus' terminator body at the end, Sam Worthington was to play Connor in future sequels but test audiences hated it so they reshot the end and added the scenes throughout emphasizing Marcus' heart.
Did she actually say: “We are in a big do-do?”😂
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My dad once said "If you watch a sci-fi movies and no need must be make sense. So enjoy it"
Thanks dad, I love this movie.
It is good to know that some things are built to last; John's friend's ''boombox'' from T2 that is, and still playing the same Guns 'n' Roses song
I loved this movie because i grew up with it, and we also got to see during the war instead of going back to the 80s. We are seeing the gritty and dangerous world John, Kyle, and Sarah are trying to fight and why they should fight.
When John commandeers that robot bike it's the same song playing as in T2 when he and his mulleted friend are riding on the dirtbike.
Yes folks, Marcus, the human hybid terminator, is the one that taught Kyle Reese to string a shotgun to his shoulder.
And also we learn how John Connor got his scar on his face when we first see him in T2. Got to appreciate the work to connect the first two films with this one with continuity.
Awesome reactions, as usual! I really liked this movie because we finally got to see the T-600 series robots in action. I thought Worthington did a pretty good job and I liked his character which was sort of a hybrid, experimental terminator. Of course Bale killed it as John Connor, I think. Worth the freakout on set because the guy is so passionate about his job!
Oh God... thank you for pushing beyond the first two terminator movies. You're now my favorite reactors.
I may have watched this movie multiple times, but that's been the best viewing yet thanks to you guys.
After all these years, it is still my favorite Terminator movie
man i use to have nightmares as a child when i saw this in theaters man i was scared to go to sleep thinking at terminator was gonna burst through my wall lol