Edit: Don't read this before watching the video! Getting from London to Amsterdam via a train and arriving there just 15 mins later than a person travelling by airplane honestly shows the superb state the European train network is in!
His flight took off later than the train. He had 2 hours for his flight while he had to get in his train immediately. I'm pretty sure the flight would have still been faster if they got on the same time lol
@@nightwing8666 Flying by plane out of LCY = 3 hours at the airport + 1 hr 15 mins in the air excluding delays + 30 mins to the Amsterdam city centre = 4 hrs and 45 minutes. London St Pancras to Amsterdam Centraal = 4 hrs and 7 mins and you arrive slap bang in the city centre. Hmmmmm….the train in this instance is the quicker route I think you’ll find regardless of delays or not.
Even though the train takes a bit longer, I'd definitely rather take it, especially in standard premiere given that gets the same seats as business premiere. Therefore at 6'5 that is definitely preferable to being cramped on a short haul flight. Also, beautiful scenery from the train, and obviously more environmentally friendly :)
It's still fascinating that the dude arrived by train with only a 15 minute deficit. I'd take the train instead. I wish we had options like this all over the U.S.
@@jakehowie442 Yeah which would have only been a 30 min deficit, but knowing the state of Schipol airport nowadays, the person on the flight would still have not made much ground.
It's not as good as it seems. Some highspeed trains are relatively cheap in Europe (ICE in Germany for example) but the Eurostar will cost double or three times as much as the plane.
@@mstrmren Yeah because there's no competition partly. I've been on the Eurostar multiple times. It was relatively cheap for me because I purchased the tickets well in advance each time. But I'd rather pay more for that service compared to what Amtrak charges and the service it delivers.
Id rather take the train. We used to have to change trains to catch snell train to Rotterdam at Brussels. We had to go from international arrival to enter the local train terminal. Nice one Eurostar! Thanks Points guys for giving me he heads up
Also, keep in mind, he’s gone from City, which is conveniently, along with Heathrow, one of the most expensive and elite London airports to fly from. Had he taken the train to Luton, I doubt his WIZZ fare would have been high at all.
@@gobbledygook5786 Yeah, and the other one rode the Eurostar in Business Premier which is actually good, compared to the atrocious service and comfort they offer in Standard.
Depends where you are travelling from, if you are coming from Sussex it's quicker to go to Gatwick rather than City or St Pancras, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire its quicker to go to Heathrow, Bedfordshire its quicker to go to Luton, Essex its quicker to go to Stansted. City airport is there to serve the City of London and the Isle of Dogs, it takes 25 minutes to go from the City to City Airport, compared to 1hr to go from City to Heathrow
Exactly it’s called City Airport for a reason. You travel from the city. Trains are quite honestly a disaster in the UK now, only LNER is any good and on time Of course Elizabeth Line too
Must have been journeys of 5 to mostly 6 ours. Co2 by train was 6kg, by plane 63 kg. Doesn't that make it quite easy to choose, when the taveltimes differ 4,5%? And beware: traveling from (more common) Heathrow or Gatwick is a complete other storie, because it takes a lot more time to get to those airports then to City Airport. All in all for me the train wins.
Agreed, i do think there is a place for planes and i love them. But 15 minutes for 10 times the amount of co2 is not worth it. But traveling to the US or Greece i won't be taking the train or other means :)
My thought exactly: for that kind of trip, train is by far the best solution in any scenario, even from City Airport. I must admit though, my heart was racing as they were running to the rendez-vous point. I kinda got caught in it 😅
yea, for two young blokes in 2022 to be all about convenience and "it's all a matter of choice" simply doesn't cut it. Take the damn train, it's a no brainer. You really don't have to be a Greta fanboy to be seriously taking leasure/carbon footprint into your travel considerations. Also, no mentioning how Brexit might impact travel times because of passport checks might be sleek but definitely not for me. so, no like and no subscription from me but thanks to @Wouter Paap for raising (and specifying) on the issue of CO2 emissions.
For convenience, I think the train wins as it is city centre to city centre. It's also more relaxing. With only a few minutes later, it's a good contender against the plane for speed, too. Really great that Eurostar now have this direct Amsterdam service.
It was only a few minutes later because the plane guy allowed a ridiculously excessive amount of time. Granted that was likely to give the train a fighting chance, but if they'd both had just-in-time services the plane would have won by well over an hour.
hm not really, it all depends where you live and in many cases eurostar is more expansive than flying (because lot of airlines competing). also to board the eurostar you still need to queue up for security. the journey to amsterdam for example takes 4 hours, while the plane 1 hour. i am wondering what are the "all aspects" you refer to.
@@fgrion All aspects you ask? 1: No liquid restrictions like the airline 2: takes you from city centre to city centre with no faff 3: No getting to the airport minimum 2 hours before 4: far more comfortable and you can watch the world go by 5: Eurostar do some good deals making them cheaper in some cases 6: No real baggage restrictions Not to mention with such a small difference in arrival time, I’d stick with the train.
I would take the train each time. Less stress, better flexibility when it comes to luggage too. You should have both had to carry a suitcase!! Great video guys.
I find it pretty fitting how Liam experienced a 15-minute delay for his flight, and yet he beat Nicky to Dam Square by 15 minutes as well. Although Liam won, I say points deducted because he didn't sit in the driver's seat of the DLR 😂
@@jakehowie442 and yet does it combust anything for propulsion? sorry no its electrified, meaning the grid could easily supply renewable and cleanly generated electricity, or low carbon options like nuclear fission instead of high emissions coal and natural gas.
@@jakehowie442 And on the plane you're cramped together like a tin of sardines. Train over plane any day, it's far more enjoyable and it is actually very clean (in comparison to planes, definitely low cost ones, the train was amazingly clean)
I know Liam was using LCY but I will never cease to be impressed how BA can serve a cooked breakfast and 3-4 rounds of drinks on the hop from LGW-AMS. It's a symphony of efficiency ( until you arrive at the cluster f**k that is AMS of late of course 😆)
As much as I love LCY, I think I may try the train as it looks comfortable and quiet. Ending up in Amsterdam Centraal station which is a bonus without the faf of changing. LCY is quick but if you get hit with a delay it can add so much to your time if your in a rush. I still think LCY is one of the best airports in London.
Well, with current waiting times at the airports... I travelled from Amsterdam to Lisbon two weeks ago and the waiting line for security was 1,5 hours. So excluding bag drop off. We arrived 4 hours in advance in the airport and eventually had only 1 hour left waiting at gate.
The Eurostar is more expensive with 20-50 £ extra than the plane, depends on the time of day of departure. At 6 AM the Eurostar is 20 £ cheaper than the plane. Plane ticket price had no checked in luggage included. Calculation for 15th September 2022. (economy class both)
@@jedgeorge3485 problem is that isn’t Business Premier prices. With Business Premier you get shorter queues. Which means the train would have taken even longer. I prefer train for this journey but the numbers/time isn’t correct
Price is the killer here, I was looking at visiting Amsterdam this year, and retrun flights cost the same as the train to london, let alone the eurostar. All in it was 3x the price to go by train, which is a real shame because I would much rather have gone by train, even if on paper it takes 2-3 hours longer. Eurostar: great if you live in London, not so much for the 60 million of us who don't.
@@startrekwarsmixguy The Eurostar was originally meant to serve the rest of Britain as far as Glasgow but that never ended up happening. While France, Spain and Italy have trains that can compete with airlines on price and speed most of Europe isn't there yet
It's really a good race and both way from London to Amsterdam are amazing. I would like the train way a little more because it seems more comfy. It's good way to show how to take the transport from one city to another in Europe. Nice job!
I prefer to take the train, I mean that's how I got to my meetings with Xi Jinping, Trump, and Putin in Beijing, Hanoi, and Vladivostok. China gave us an Air China 747 to use for my first Trump summit in Singapore and it's just not the same. When you ride a train, you enter a train of thought, and better connect with the land around you. While we currently don't have high-speed rail, high-speed rail connecting the whole Korean Peninsula is part of the plan when we reunify.
nice to see you guys in this video - from my point of view i will always choose the train over the plane, if possible,. I just can't cope with airports anymore.
I've binged all your train vs plane races and I love your style. It's really funny how the train is only slightly late for both Amsterdam and Edinburgh, when I would expect the train to be faster option for the latter. As a fan of trains I think a drawback of Eurostar is that you still need to do the passport control (even if you got away easy this time). I know you are UK based, but it would be really interesting to compare journeys in the Schengen area, eg Amsterdam-Frankfurt or Paris-Milan, as you can literally just hop on the train minutes before departure. Amsterdam-Frankfurt should take only about 4.5 hours, but DB trains are notorious for being delayed which might add to the suspense. Paris-Milan takes somewhat longer at almost 7 h, but you get views of the Alps and the executive seats on the frecciarossa are really luxurious from what I've seen on youtube, so it would be a nice comfortable ride at 300 kph. To make this one comparable maybe try travelling with luggage and take public transport to the airport. Looking forward to the next race!
I normally really like Schiphol, but if Liam had landed on the Polderbaan he might still be on the plane. ;) It would be interesting to see the relative costs, as Nicky took the expensive version of the train, but I don't know about Liam.
Delighted I stumbled across your channel. Really enjoyable. Now I'll have watch all your content! Nice, respectful lads doing fun, informative stuff. Best wishes to you both from Ireland. Stay Classy.
Somewhat ironically, the quick and frequent train services to and from the airports played a major role in the plane beating the train. Imagine having to wait for a bus... Or worse, taking Ryanair from Stansted to Eindhoven (cheaper, but would probably take 5 hours for this race)...
Considering the Business Premier checkin and security makes a huge time saving, it's not 100% a like for like comparison to an economy class ticket on KLM. I would love to see the comparison with a bog-standard eurostar ticket with the huge queues mentioned :)
@@septology but you have to get to the station a lot earlier with a standard ticket then a business premier ticket, and business premier is crazy expensive
@@Skilianol not really. He spent time in the lounge. With a regular ticket, sure the line would have been there but no more than 20 mins or so and the train would have left the same time obviously! Just no time in the lounge
I do think that is comparable because he flew from London City which costs Premium usually. Even getting to Heathrow would be longer, never mind Gatwick or Stansted.
Another great vid, great to see more and more posts on the channel, cant wait for more! I just want to know how KLM compares to other airlines which serve in the same areas?
If you mean London - Amsterdam, it's really all the same, nothing overly impressive and (at least out of LHR) delays, I spent two weeks bouncing around Europe and the UK and yeah, the train is the way to go at least to the 3 hour flight boundary.
For Short distance flight it’s not worth it to fly with those expensive airlines (Lufthansa, British airways, klm) since the services is the same as with easyJet it eurowings. If you fly long distance it’s better to fly with them
Calculating from door to door the train is a big time win for me. I always fly from Eindhoven to Stansted. The total time of traveling from my house to st Pancras is over an hour more than by train. But train is more expensive, so depends on the plans for us.
Fab ! But Liam was at the airport boarding gate 2hours before departure and he could have been there 1 hour before and still been ok . So plane is an hour quicker this time 🙂
"Interesting smells here"." Hahaha. I loved this, I'll watch the others. I took the train to Paris but the plane to Amsterdam, trains are just so much more relaxing and you get to see all the scenery go by. I'd rather be on the move rather than standing in an airport queue
Next time London - Rotterdam, that could be an even closer call! Hi-speed train from Schiphol to Rotterdam Central is 25 minutes, but there is also a metro/bus to Rotterdam airport (a bit more than 20 minutes). From Rotterdam Airport there is a connection with London City as well
Most interesting - the train is my preferred mode of travel. I’d like to see less of the race aspect and see how the two compare in natural time. I doubt I could , in fact I know could not, run from Centraal to Dam Square.
Congrats Liam, better luck next time Nicky. I gather Nicky had to pick up the tab at the "coffee house" ? lol. You guys have the best music in your videos. Stay safe in your travels.
I lived in the Netherlands for a year, my favourite airline was KLM. They’re professional, efficient, provide really good food and a top quality service in general. Only downside is they on the expensive end of airlines.
Love these race videos. Given the difference in time (not much) I'd take the train over flying for this particular route. Much less hassle, views along the way. Choose Standard Premier instead of Business - same seat in both, but SP is much less expensive.
Honestly... The train seems to be less of a hassle. Sure, from the Bridge, both had to take mass transport but after that, the train is definitely the least "dramatic."
Didn't mean that as an insult. Just there's less "oooh, security lines, checked bags, will I make it my gate halfway across the airport.. come on board faster, will the weather or ATC hold us and delay, will there be an opened gate upon landing. . Hurry hurry move faster and get off... is there public transport and is it running?" Mind you... I have millions of flight miles (14 flights scheduled in the next 7 weeks). The train route just seemed mostly "drama free."
@@xnyrage Ohh, I see! I prefer the train as well. Even though delays happen and you can miss your connection, I just couldn't deal with the hassle of just sitting around for hours and then being cramped in such a small space 😅 Also, the train is much more environmentally friendly so that's why I prefer it too ☺️
Yup... see... less "drama." I love a quality train system. And I love nothing more than actually stepping onto a plane. I would love to have this choice documented in this video.
For teh same price, I would take the train, just to avoid the hastle in Schiphol to take the next train. and also for the meal, looked really good for a travel.
A 4hr train ride is in the sweetest spot where it is the most preferable mode to take over air. However, given the the fact that the flight was from City Airport to Schiphol (which is extremely close and well connected to the Amsterdam Central) it negated a lot of benefits offered by rail. Great race and I'd still take rail any day of the week.
It isnt if you try to book ot and find out how much it costs to a plane ticket and how uncomfortable it is in Standard class (where the prices are still double the price for a plane ticket).
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Enjoyed watching this, but ….. you should cover the cost of each. As the times were nearly identical, the cost could be a major deciding factor. Train travel in Europe looks fantastic!
Eurostar are adding an additional service to Rotterdam and Amsterdam which will depart St Pancras at around 6.15am. I'm not sure when this additional service will commence.
Another advantage of the train over the plane, which people tend to forget to consider, is the following: If you have work to do, reading or writing on a laptop, for example, on the train you start working even before the train leaves and you can work without interruption until reaching the final destination. On the plane, you have to wait for the plane to take off and have gained height and stability to start working - hoping there is no turbulence on the way. When the plane is about to land, you must stop working. As the train goes smoothly all the way, on a two-hour train journey, you may work for two hours. On a two-hour plane trip, you may work at most for one and even then with a lower degree of concentration and performance.
Next time y'all's are in the states, you should do a train vs plane between Miami and Orlando once Brightline starts service between the two. The flight takes approx 1 hr & 15 minutes while the train (which is a diesel powered Siemens trainset similar to Austria's Railjet) is expected to take around 3 hours.
I am from Amsterdam but lived in London for three years. Therefore I made this journey about 50 times. Unfortunately, the tickets of KLM are usually about 1/3 of the price compared to Eurostar. In case you fly EasyJet (LHR - AMS) it can be even cheaper. That said, I would have definitely chosen train over plane if the prices were not that high. Not sure what the price differences are at the moment.
Well done guys, you have done London to Paris, London to Edinburgh, London to Amsterdam and London to Brussels now. But I still think that you could reasonably do 2 or 3 more like that which would obviously be good races to see. The 3 I had in mind would all leave from London but go to 3 other European countries within reach. 1) Germany (Frankfurt, Munich or Berlin - you choose the city you feel would be best for a race) 2) Italy (Milan, Rome or Naples) 3) Switzerland (Zurich). You can obviously space them out like a month apart or whatever. But I think they would be right up your street and given that you are both such great European citizens I am sure that you would thoroughly enjoy the races and visiting the different nations and their cultures. I apologise if I seemed too pushy, after all it's really just a suggestion. Sorry, guys.😳
Even though flying might be a tad quicker, I'll go for the train. It's so much more relaxed in my opinion: gates only close about 45 minutes before the train departs, so that you don't have to wait at the station for hours before your train departs, you only have to check in and go through customs once, and once you get out of the Eurostar, you're in the middle of a city!
Some others numbers (corrected): there are about 60 flights a day from the 6 airports of London to Amsterdam Schiphol, 12.000 seats vv. A full Eurostar train consisting of 2 engines and 18 coaches carry 750 seats. To replace air traffic, 16 of those Eurostars a day would be needed. That is one train every hour in each direction. Currently thera are 4. Anybody wondering why short term train tickets are expensive?
Delays could impact the train too, so buffering is important. BTW Eurostar did suffer long lines during the summer, so if you can easily afford Business Premiere, then it is worth the shorter lines and the extras, such as the lounge and included hot meal.
A fairer comparison would have been going from LHR, Liam would have been done for. I've raced my wife before, pre Covid and the train was 20 minutes ahead. I know who was more comfortable 🤣
Edit: Don't read this before watching the video!
Getting from London to Amsterdam via a train and arriving there just 15 mins later than a person travelling by airplane honestly shows the superb state the European train network is in!
His flight took off later than the train. He had 2 hours for his flight while he had to get in his train immediately. I'm pretty sure the flight would have still been faster if they got on the same time lol
Thanks for ruining the video with your top comment😂
@@nightwing8666 that's the point. Flights might be faster but take a long time to get through security, passport control ect.
@@EV-Diary exactly
@@nightwing8666 Flying by plane out of LCY = 3 hours at the airport + 1 hr 15 mins in the air excluding delays + 30 mins to the Amsterdam city centre = 4 hrs and 45 minutes. London St Pancras to Amsterdam Centraal = 4 hrs and 7 mins and you arrive slap bang in the city centre. Hmmmmm….the train in this instance is the quicker route I think you’ll find regardless of delays or not.
Even though the train takes a bit longer, I'd definitely rather take it, especially in standard premiere given that gets the same seats as business premiere. Therefore at 6'5 that is definitely preferable to being cramped on a short haul flight. Also, beautiful scenery from the train, and obviously more environmentally friendly :)
Better food services too
It's still fascinating that the dude arrived by train with only a 15 minute deficit. I'd take the train instead. I wish we had options like this all over the U.S.
Yes the flight was delayed by 15 minutes though
@@jakehowie442 Yeah which would have only been a 30 min deficit, but knowing the state of Schipol airport nowadays, the person on the flight would still have not made much ground.
It's not as good as it seems. Some highspeed trains are relatively cheap in Europe (ICE in Germany for example) but the Eurostar will cost double or three times as much as the plane.
@@jakehowie442 Flights are always delayed in London these days.
@@mstrmren Yeah because there's no competition partly. I've been on the Eurostar multiple times. It was relatively cheap for me because I purchased the tickets well in advance each time. But I'd rather pay more for that service compared to what Amtrak charges and the service it delivers.
Surely there’s no need to rush either to the airport or the Eurostar unless you’re late, because the flight and train both leave at a set time 😂
Passport control etc takes time to go through…
@@sadesekoni1231 Schengen is fab!
Uik
Train is much faster and by far less hassle
Training is faster
Id rather take the train. We used to have to change trains to catch snell train to Rotterdam at Brussels. We had to go from international arrival to enter the local train terminal. Nice one Eurostar! Thanks Points guys for giving me he heads up
I’m a plane guy through and through lol!
The Eurostar is probabaly double the airfare, wouldn't recommend it!
@@mstrmren it can get pretty cheap if u book in advance, about 40 euro's
Also, keep in mind, he’s gone from City, which is conveniently, along with Heathrow, one of the most expensive and elite London airports to fly from. Had he taken the train to Luton, I doubt his WIZZ fare would have been high at all.
@@gobbledygook5786 Yeah, and the other one rode the Eurostar in Business Premier which is actually good, compared to the atrocious service and comfort they offer in Standard.
So basically, if the fight took off from Heathrow or any other airport in London, the train would have definitely won.
Depends where you are travelling from, if you are coming from Sussex it's quicker to go to Gatwick rather than City or St Pancras, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire its quicker to go to Heathrow, Bedfordshire its quicker to go to Luton, Essex its quicker to go to Stansted.
City airport is there to serve the City of London and the Isle of Dogs, it takes 25 minutes to go from the City to City Airport, compared to 1hr to go from City to Heathrow
Exactly it’s called City Airport for a reason. You travel from the city. Trains are quite honestly a disaster in the UK now, only LNER is any good and on time
Of course Elizabeth Line too
Up video quality to 4K60fps!
Must have been journeys of 5 to mostly 6 ours. Co2 by train was 6kg, by plane 63 kg. Doesn't that make it quite easy to choose, when the taveltimes differ 4,5%?
And beware: traveling from (more common) Heathrow or Gatwick is a complete other storie, because it takes a lot more time to get to those airports then to City Airport.
All in all for me the train wins.
Agreed, i do think there is a place for planes and i love them. But 15 minutes for 10 times the amount of co2 is not worth it.
But traveling to the US or Greece i won't be taking the train or other means :)
I genuinely counted London City airport as a cheat in this race 😄
My thought exactly: for that kind of trip, train is by far the best solution in any scenario, even from City Airport.
I must admit though, my heart was racing as they were running to the rendez-vous point. I kinda got caught in it 😅
You forgot to mention the train looks far more comfortable, relaxed, and it has better food.
yea, for two young blokes in 2022 to be all about convenience and "it's all a matter of choice" simply doesn't cut it. Take the damn train, it's a no brainer. You really don't have to be a Greta fanboy to be seriously taking leasure/carbon footprint into your travel considerations.
Also, no mentioning how Brexit might impact travel times because of passport checks might be sleek but definitely not for me.
so, no like and no subscription from me but thanks to @Wouter Paap for raising (and specifying) on the issue of CO2 emissions.
For convenience, I think the train wins as it is city centre to city centre. It's also more relaxing. With only a few minutes later, it's a good contender against the plane for speed, too. Really great that Eurostar now have this direct Amsterdam service.
And don't forget the train also had to stop in Brussels and Rotterdam before going to Amsterdam
But almost nobody lives in city center, so that doesnt help. And in speed plane always win (topspeed). Only on very small flights its a contender).
It was only a few minutes later because the plane guy allowed a ridiculously excessive amount of time. Granted that was likely to give the train a fighting chance, but if they'd both had just-in-time services the plane would have won by well over an hour.
Will always take the Eurostar to Paris/Brussels/Amsterdam over flying any day! Far superior in all aspects.
hm not really, it all depends where you live and in many cases eurostar is more expansive than flying (because lot of airlines competing). also to board the eurostar you still need to queue up for security. the journey to amsterdam for example takes 4 hours, while the plane 1 hour. i am wondering what are the "all aspects" you refer to.
@@fgrion All aspects you ask?
1: No liquid restrictions like the airline
2: takes you from city centre to city centre with no faff
3: No getting to the airport minimum 2 hours before
4: far more comfortable and you can watch the world go by
5: Eurostar do some good deals making them cheaper in some cases
6: No real baggage restrictions
Not to mention with such a small difference in arrival time, I’d stick with the train.
Can't wait for the same covenience to be spread to birmingham and manchester.
@@Hession0Drasha That was the plan initially…
@@HSTHoward also more environmentally friendly
I would take the train each time. Less stress, better flexibility when it comes to luggage too. You should have both had to carry a suitcase!! Great video guys.
Planes dont give any stress? And whats less flexible with luggage? Never had any trouble.
It would have been nice had you actually shared the price of both journeys for comparison.
I find it pretty fitting how Liam experienced a 15-minute delay for his flight, and yet he beat Nicky to Dam Square by 15 minutes as well. Although Liam won, I say points deducted because he didn't sit in the driver's seat of the DLR 😂
The train is far classier! Pity there was no mention of comparing the environmental impact of both modes of transport.
The Eurostar train looked dirty and old
@@jakehowie442 Agreed
@@jakehowie442 and yet does it combust anything for propulsion?
sorry no its electrified, meaning the grid could easily supply renewable and cleanly generated electricity, or low carbon options like nuclear fission instead of high emissions coal and natural gas.
@@jakehowie442 And on the plane you're cramped together like a tin of sardines. Train over plane any day, it's far more enjoyable and it is actually very clean (in comparison to planes, definitely low cost ones, the train was amazingly clean)
@@jakehowie442 How tf did it look dirty and old?
I know Liam was using LCY but I will never cease to be impressed how BA can serve a cooked breakfast and 3-4 rounds of drinks on the hop from LGW-AMS. It's a symphony of efficiency ( until you arrive at the cluster f**k that is AMS of late of course 😆)
How long is the flight?
don't you mean KLM
Except it was KLM not BA
@@anneonimous9306 Fair point, which I was aware of but tbf I probably should've added that as well.
As much as I love LCY, I think I may try the train as it looks comfortable and quiet. Ending up in Amsterdam Centraal station which is a bonus without the faf of changing. LCY is quick but if you get hit with a delay it can add so much to your time if your in a rush. I still think LCY is one of the best airports in London.
You can also take the new metroline called "North-South Line" southbound for 1 stop so you don't have to run 🤣
Yeah, or take a tram wich is leaving every few minutes and is even with the possible wait time faster than running...
Loved this episode, took the Eurostar a few months ago and was very happy overall. It's less stressful than the airport experience
Gotta love how they crossed 1/4th of the way when they arrive at their main transportation
The 2-hour wait for boarding the plane tells me that they calculate the starting time to make it a close race. What was the price difference?
Well, with current waiting times at the airports... I travelled from Amsterdam to Lisbon two weeks ago and the waiting line for security was 1,5 hours. So excluding bag drop off. We arrived 4 hours in advance in the airport and eventually had only 1 hour left waiting at gate.
The Eurostar is more expensive with 20-50 £ extra than the plane, depends on the time of day of departure. At 6 AM the Eurostar is 20 £ cheaper than the plane. Plane ticket price had no checked in luggage included. Calculation for 15th September 2022. (economy class both)
@@jedgeorge3485 problem is that isn’t Business Premier prices. With Business Premier you get shorter queues. Which means the train would have taken even longer.
I prefer train for this journey but the numbers/time isn’t correct
Price is the killer here, I was looking at visiting Amsterdam this year, and retrun flights cost the same as the train to london, let alone the eurostar. All in it was 3x the price to go by train, which is a real shame because I would much rather have gone by train, even if on paper it takes 2-3 hours longer. Eurostar: great if you live in London, not so much for the 60 million of us who don't.
@@startrekwarsmixguy The Eurostar was originally meant to serve the rest of Britain as far as Glasgow but that never ended up happening. While France, Spain and Italy have trains that can compete with airlines on price and speed most of Europe isn't there yet
I just love this racing series...love from Kuching Malaysia!!!
It's really a good race and both way from London to Amsterdam are amazing. I would like the train way a little more because it seems more comfy. It's good way to show how to take the transport from one city to another in Europe. Nice job!
I prefer to take the train, I mean that's how I got to my meetings with Xi Jinping, Trump, and Putin in Beijing, Hanoi, and Vladivostok. China gave us an Air China 747 to use for my first Trump summit in Singapore and it's just not the same. When you ride a train, you enter a train of thought, and better connect with the land around you. While we currently don't have high-speed rail, high-speed rail connecting the whole Korean Peninsula is part of the plan when we reunify.
Ur The real one?
The fact it was only 15 minutes while the train took such a way around and the flight of course right to Amsterdam is amazing.
nice to see you guys in this video - from my point of view i will always choose the train over the plane, if possible,. I just can't cope with airports anymore.
Not Liam teasing by saying “Maybe Japan?” DO NOT LEAVE US ON A CLIFFHANGER 🔥
My friends need to take inspiration from these types of races!!
Awesome thanks lads I be trying new direct route in September can’t wait
And we’re waiting for you in Japan! I recommend to fly ANA or JAL as the service is impeccable.
Thanks for this vlog. Great presentation. Happy weekend! Stay safe. Ciao.
I've binged all your train vs plane races and I love your style. It's really funny how the train is only slightly late for both Amsterdam and Edinburgh, when I would expect the train to be faster option for the latter. As a fan of trains I think a drawback of Eurostar is that you still need to do the passport control (even if you got away easy this time). I know you are UK based, but it would be really interesting to compare journeys in the Schengen area, eg Amsterdam-Frankfurt or Paris-Milan, as you can literally just hop on the train minutes before departure. Amsterdam-Frankfurt should take only about 4.5 hours, but DB trains are notorious for being delayed which might add to the suspense. Paris-Milan takes somewhat longer at almost 7 h, but you get views of the Alps and the executive seats on the frecciarossa are really luxurious from what I've seen on youtube, so it would be a nice comfortable ride at 300 kph. To make this one comparable maybe try travelling with luggage and take public transport to the airport. Looking forward to the next race!
Awesome guys! I took the Eurostar from London to Paris and it was really easy travel, will do it again to Amsterdam in future!
I normally really like Schiphol, but if Liam had landed on the Polderbaan he might still be on the plane. ;) It would be interesting to see the relative costs, as Nicky took the expensive version of the train, but I don't know about Liam.
The costs are in the description
Thank you so much for this one. Coming to Europe to visit and will be going to Amsterdam. Didn't think about the train however now to check prices
Delighted I stumbled across your channel. Really enjoyable. Now I'll have watch all your content! Nice, respectful lads doing fun, informative stuff. Best wishes to you both from Ireland. Stay Classy.
Somewhat ironically, the quick and frequent train services to and from the airports played a major role in the plane beating the train. Imagine having to wait for a bus... Or worse, taking Ryanair from Stansted to Eindhoven (cheaper, but would probably take 5 hours for this race)...
Wow! the 15 minutes dont count if the service on the eurostar is that comfortable!
Considering the Business Premier checkin and security makes a huge time saving, it's not 100% a like for like comparison to an economy class ticket on KLM. I would love to see the comparison with a bog-standard eurostar ticket with the huge queues mentioned :)
There's no time saving because the train leaves at the same time either way though, doesn't it?
@@septology but you have to get to the station a lot earlier with a standard ticket then a business premier ticket, and business premier is crazy expensive
@@septology Re-think your comment the next time you're missing a train or flight because you're stuck in some crazy queue.
@@Skilianol not really. He spent time in the lounge. With a regular ticket, sure the line would have been there but no more than 20 mins or so and the train would have left the same time obviously! Just no time in the lounge
I do think that is comparable because he flew from London City which costs Premium usually. Even getting to Heathrow would be longer, never mind Gatwick or Stansted.
Another great vid, great to see more and more posts on the channel, cant wait for more!
I just want to know how KLM compares to other airlines which serve in the same areas?
If you mean London - Amsterdam, it's really all the same, nothing overly impressive and (at least out of LHR) delays, I spent two weeks bouncing around Europe and the UK and yeah, the train is the way to go at least to the 3 hour flight boundary.
@@lvthud ok thanks!
Try BA CityFlyer from LCY-RTM, the great alternative to the madness that is Schiphol at the moment!
For Short distance flight it’s not worth it to fly with those expensive airlines (Lufthansa, British airways, klm) since the services is the same as with easyJet it eurowings. If you fly long distance it’s better to fly with them
Calculating from door to door the train is a big time win for me. I always fly from Eindhoven to Stansted. The total time of traveling from my house to st Pancras is over an hour more than by train. But train is more expensive, so depends on the plans for us.
Brilliant presenting duo. Quite surprised the plane won actually - would have thought the train would always be quicker.
Whenever Liam and Nicky start the Intro, it rarely goes smoothly lmao
Omg it’s the Eternally Travelling Comedy Duo aka Liam and Nicky! Happy to see a racing video again! 👏🏽
Points guy so helpful giving me cheap and extra choices to get on holiday!
Always fun watching you boys race. Very informative, yet entertaining. Keep up the good work.
I would definitely go for the plane. More comfortable, faster and beautiful views from above!
Fab ! But Liam was at the airport boarding gate 2hours before departure and he could have been there 1 hour before and still been ok . So plane is an hour quicker this time 🙂
Most wholesome race series on RUclips :)
You do the best British races
Very funny to watch! Thank you :-) But great to see what Eurostar offers Passengers in Business Premier!
You guys are the best. Your channel deserve a 1 million subscribers
Love these types of video, well done again guys.
"Interesting smells here"." Hahaha. I loved this, I'll watch the others. I took the train to Paris but the plane to Amsterdam, trains are just so much more relaxing and you get to see all the scenery go by. I'd rather be on the move rather than standing in an airport queue
You guys need to talk about the carbon cost of each option, the train would've been so much more beneficial for the environment!
Train is better for the planet and by I think 10 journeys equivalent
Why don’t you think about that when you do anything like buying food and driving your car. Bollocks to Carbon cost
And you need to talk about how fucking expensive the Eurostar is compared to flying.
@@mstrmren about 40 euro's cheapest option if you book way in advance
@@ov_079 you can get some flights if you book in advance on a budget airline for like 25 pounds
Next time London - Rotterdam, that could be an even closer call! Hi-speed train from Schiphol to Rotterdam Central is 25 minutes, but there is also a metro/bus to Rotterdam airport (a bit more than 20 minutes). From Rotterdam Airport there is a connection with London City as well
and on London - Brussels the train wins hands down!
Most interesting - the train is my preferred mode of travel. I’d like to see less of the race aspect and see how the two compare in natural time. I doubt I could , in fact I know could not, run from Centraal to Dam Square.
Haha wooo! I was rooting for Liam!
Did a weekend London with my grandson a few years back , flew from Rotterdam to city and back with BA , was great .
Love the races, keep em coming!!!!
Congrats Liam, better luck next time Nicky. I gather Nicky had to pick up the tab at the "coffee house" ? lol. You guys have the best music in your videos. Stay safe in your travels.
The edit! Excellent as always. culminating in 13:35. Loved it .
I lived in the Netherlands for a year, my favourite airline was KLM. They’re professional, efficient, provide really good food and a top quality service in general. Only downside is they on the expensive end of airlines.
Congratulations Liam. 👏🏻
Love these race videos. Given the difference in time (not much) I'd take the train over flying for this particular route. Much less hassle, views along the way. Choose Standard Premier instead of Business - same seat in both, but SP is much less expensive.
Love that you pressed the green button on the review thing.
Honestly... The train seems to be less of a hassle. Sure, from the Bridge, both had to take mass transport but after that, the train is definitely the least "dramatic."
Least dramatic? What do you mean?
Didn't mean that as an insult. Just there's less "oooh, security lines, checked bags, will I make it my gate halfway across the airport.. come on board faster, will the weather or ATC hold us and delay, will there be an opened gate upon landing. . Hurry hurry move faster and get off... is there public transport and is it running?"
Mind you... I have millions of flight miles (14 flights scheduled in the next 7 weeks). The train route just seemed mostly "drama free."
@@xnyrage Ohh, I see! I prefer the train as well. Even though delays happen and you can miss your connection, I just couldn't deal with the hassle of just sitting around for hours and then being cramped in such a small space 😅
Also, the train is much more environmentally friendly so that's why I prefer it too ☺️
Yup... see... less "drama." I love a quality train system. And I love nothing more than actually stepping onto a plane. I would love to have this choice documented in this video.
Another great video. You guys are wonderful
For teh same price, I would take the train, just to avoid the hastle in Schiphol to take the next train. and also for the meal, looked really good for a travel.
Awesome video, honestly I rather take the train as I never flew in my life
A 4hr train ride is in the sweetest spot where it is the most preferable mode to take over air. However, given the the fact that the flight was from City Airport to Schiphol (which is extremely close and well connected to the Amsterdam Central) it negated a lot of benefits offered by rail. Great race and I'd still take rail any day of the week.
I also wondered what Josh Buttler did in his spare time. Great race!
I really enjoy these races! The eurotrain looks incredible and is a great alternative to flying.
It isnt if you try to book ot and find out how much it costs to a plane ticket and how uncomfortable it is in Standard class (where the prices are still double the price for a plane ticket).
Editing on point guys - both routes have merits. Looking forward to the next race. Stay well and positive : - ) xxx
Hi points guy I’m I'm Youssef hazem i’m a huge fan of your videos and I’m a huge fan of Nicky kelvin, jean, Daniel Ross and also Liam you guys are like my biggest RUclipsrs and I watch your videos everyday and thank you for the support and effort you guys are putting through btw I’m from Alexandria Egypt
Enjoyed watching this, but ….. you should cover the cost of each. As the times were nearly identical, the cost could be a major deciding factor. Train travel in Europe looks fantastic!
Omggg wowwwww 🤩🤩 I agreeeee🤩🤩🤩 next time go to Japan 🇯🇵 🤩🤩 Can’t wait to see it 🥰🥰
Eurostar are adding an additional service to Rotterdam and Amsterdam which will depart St Pancras at around 6.15am. I'm not sure when this additional service will commence.
September 5th
@@pcvanz Thank's I will dare that in mind, as I am going over to the Netherlands in September.
Nicky, we will not mind if you geek out over the sexy Eurostar Train.
Another advantage of the train over the plane, which people tend to forget to consider, is the following: If you have work to do, reading or writing on a laptop, for example, on the train you start working even before the train leaves and you can work without interruption until reaching the final destination. On the plane, you have to wait for the plane to take off and have gained height and stability to start working - hoping there is no turbulence on the way. When the plane is about to land, you must stop working. As the train goes smoothly all the way, on a two-hour train journey, you may work for two hours. On a two-hour plane trip, you may work at most for one and even then with a lower degree of concentration and performance.
Next time y'all's are in the states, you should do a train vs plane between Miami and Orlando once Brightline starts service between the two. The flight takes approx 1 hr & 15 minutes while the train (which is a diesel powered Siemens trainset similar to Austria's Railjet) is expected to take around 3 hours.
Let's be honest, if you take any other London airport apart from City, the train would win every time.
Good fun lads n good tips allways helps of course 👍
I am from Amsterdam but lived in London for three years. Therefore I made this journey about 50 times. Unfortunately, the tickets of KLM are usually about 1/3 of the price compared to Eurostar. In case you fly EasyJet (LHR - AMS) it can be even cheaper. That said, I would have definitely chosen train over plane if the prices were not that high. Not sure what the price differences are at the moment.
Such fun to watch 😊
I like your racing videos much better than other videos .... Try do videos on racing it's better Nicky and Liam
well done guys, the UK YT is 10x better than its US conterpart. keep it up, great content
Well done guys, you have done London to Paris,
London to Edinburgh,
London to Amsterdam and
London to Brussels now.
But I still think that you could reasonably do 2 or 3 more like that which would obviously be good races to see.
The 3 I had in mind would all leave from London but go to 3 other European countries within reach.
1) Germany (Frankfurt, Munich or Berlin - you choose the city you feel would be best for a race)
2) Italy (Milan, Rome or Naples)
3) Switzerland (Zurich).
You can obviously space them out like a month apart or whatever.
But I think they would be right up your street and given that you are both such great European citizens I am sure that you would thoroughly enjoy the races and visiting the different nations and their cultures.
I apologise if I seemed too pushy, after all it's really just a suggestion.
Sorry, guys.😳
Even though flying might be a tad quicker, I'll go for the train. It's so much more relaxed in my opinion: gates only close about 45 minutes before the train departs, so that you don't have to wait at the station for hours before your train departs, you only have to check in and go through customs once, and once you get out of the Eurostar, you're in the middle of a city!
I rather fly trains are boring
Some others numbers (corrected): there are about 60 flights a day from the 6 airports of London to Amsterdam Schiphol, 12.000 seats vv. A full Eurostar train consisting of 2 engines and 18 coaches carry 750 seats. To replace air traffic, 16 of those Eurostars a day would be needed. That is one train every hour in each direction. Currently thera are 4.
Anybody wondering why short term train tickets are expensive?
I love your train plane vids please make more of these:)
A classic Top Gear race!
Just love these races. So much fun. 2-1 to Liam.
Great video, guys. You earned a new follower.
Eurostar looks cool, never been on it as it doesn't make much sense unless you live in London but on the bucket list.
Interesting comparison & great info. Thank you! If I’ve time, I’ll opt for the train. Less confined n great meals!
Love you guys
Wow great race guys, very entertaining and at the same time informative :-D !!! Keep it up ! Groetjes !!
omg, you guys are so great!
Quanto siete fighi 😎😍😍
Delays could impact the train too, so buffering is important. BTW Eurostar did suffer long lines during the summer, so if you can easily afford Business Premiere, then it is worth the shorter lines and the extras, such as the lounge and included hot meal.
A fairer comparison would have been going from LHR, Liam would have been done for. I've raced my wife before, pre Covid and the train was 20 minutes ahead. I know who was more comfortable 🤣