EUROPE INVASION SIMULATION - AMERICAN FULDA GAP DEFENSE

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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
  • Play Conflict of Nations for FREE on PC, iOS or Android: con.onelink.me... Receive a Unique Starter Pack, available only for the next 30 days! Today we time-travel back to the heat of the 80s, when the two superpowers were at the peak of escalation. This is a clash between NATO and its lead country USA against the Soviet Union. We try simulating the outcome and consequences on ground level. Soviet European conquest would have been led by the assault of massive armored doctrine tactics, in Germany, Fulda Gap. This is a realistic map called Neuhof, just a couple of miles away from the town of Fulda. This was a time when the US Army just received their brand new batch equipment like M1 Abrams and M2 Bradley with high-end military technologies like thermal sights. In fact, it was something so big, that even their opponent's most advanced tanks, like the T-80B, did not have such features till the mid-late 80s however the raw firepower and armor thickness was in their favor. This cinematic was 1v1 turn-based gameplay, against one of the brightest tactical minds out there - RobZ. We tried to simulate this as well as this simulation game allows, with the biggest scale possible. Clearly, American troops were going to get outnumbered but their technological side was their strength.
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  • @warfare11gaming
    @warfare11gaming  3 года назад +53

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    • @daniyalaskarbek417
      @daniyalaskarbek417 3 года назад +4

      Yep

    • @davidspencer8373
      @davidspencer8373 3 года назад +3

      Like video

    • @MDSR17455
      @MDSR17455 2 года назад +1

      hey i think the soviets should have the T80BV and the T72A in high numbers since its in the border with NATO

    • @coreyguy5216
      @coreyguy5216 2 года назад

      This is very biased and I'm not sure if you know the m1a2 didn't do so good in Iraq they were being blown up by RPGs just so you know

    • @เจริญตายะ
      @เจริญตายะ 2 года назад

  • @meticulousroomba2981
    @meticulousroomba2981 2 года назад +31

    2:21 lmao Bradley does a ATGM moment

  • @benlaskowski357
    @benlaskowski357 2 года назад +33

    Brutal. The M163 going on a rampage was something else. And the T-62s at the start. Wow. Savage from the get-go.

    • @chuckbuck5002
      @chuckbuck5002 2 года назад +1

      The m163 is like the fucking Death Star

  • @pjthehomelessmage
    @pjthehomelessmage 3 года назад +160

    Excellent timing for this.

    • @hahaaha7400
      @hahaaha7400 2 года назад +6

      This game is actually American bias, American unit always have superior range in this game.

    • @ntks6720
      @ntks6720 2 года назад +5

      @@hahaaha7400 American have thermal

    • @lordayden1044
      @lordayden1044 2 года назад +13

      @@hahaaha7400 Because that's how it is in real life

    • @vahoranlal884
      @vahoranlal884 2 года назад

      @@hahaaha7400
      +*+*

    • @puma2334
      @puma2334 2 года назад +1

      @@hahaaha7400 historically accurate doesn’t equal to bias 😊

  • @cnlbenmc
    @cnlbenmc 2 года назад +15

    This turned out to be more of a brutal slog than I expected.

  • @billr2375
    @billr2375 Год назад +7

    Yikes finally a visual of sorts of what it might have looked like had it been real....8th INfantry Veteran out of Baumholder, where the largest concentration of combat ready troops outside of CONUS were--Mechanized Infantry with Artillery, Armor, Helicopters--every Alert the entire Division, among others of course, headed to the Fulda Gap, hoping it was never real and never knowing until about the time you arrived. We were never expect to survive--were just a stop gap until troops from CONUS could arrive. Was also expected Tactical Nukes would be used on both sides.

    • @j.b.macadam6516
      @j.b.macadam6516 Месяц назад

      Yeah, I was in the Fulda Gap from '77 to '79 with 3rd Armor. Scout Platoon, CSC 1/33 Armor stationed at Coleman Barracks in Gelnhausen. Our sector was just west of, and overlooking Hunfeld. Went through beaucoup alerts, never knowing if the real thing was happening. We were just speedbumps to slow down the Soviets. Glad it didn't happen. Thanks for being there, Brother.

  • @Shambler4
    @Shambler4 3 года назад +92

    This battle turned out to be interested and intense very much incredible I loved it it was a absolute beast battle what a blast how long did it take you to make this ❤

  • @Visoblue
    @Visoblue 3 года назад +17

    Awesome last ditch defense by that last Abrams tank damn, he fought hard

  • @Pease98
    @Pease98 3 года назад +32

    Amazing as always! A suggestion for a future simulation is a defense of the Suwalki Gap

  • @nottodaywillj2723
    @nottodaywillj2723 2 года назад +7

    If only Arma 3's AI were this brave to run into fire.

  • @johnwilkins3737
    @johnwilkins3737 3 года назад +16

    Keep up the good work

  • @jamesscalzo3033
    @jamesscalzo3033 3 года назад +6

    Loved the video @Warfare Gaming! Can't wait for the next video man! Since the Warsaw Pact Forces have captured the Fulda Gap at great cost to their own, it seems likely that they will defend their gains at all costs. Below are the Possible Forces Composition that I think might be Deployed to the Area until the Warsaw Pact Forces are able to make good on a possible push for Frankfurt.
    • 2 Tankovy Battalions of at least 12 T-72B2's and 1 with 8 T-80's
    • 3 BMP-2 Motor Rifle Battalions, Each with 3 Companies, Each Company with a 3 man Command Team, two 6 man PKM LMG Teams, nine 2 Man RPG-7 Anti-Tank teams, a 6 Man SA-14 Gremlin Anti-Aircraft Missile Team, ten 4 Man AK-74 Assault Rifle Teams and at least 5 BMP-2's for Support
    • 3 Motor Rifle Heavy Weapons each with a 6 Man AGS-17 Grenade Launcher Team and two 6 Man AT-4 Spigot Missile Teams
    • 3 Platoons of 3 Storm Anti-Tank Tractors
    • 2 Anti-Aircraft Platoons with 2 ZSU-23-4 Shilka's and 1 with 2 2S6 Tunguska's
    • Air Support from the Aging Sukhoi SU-7 Fighter-Bombers and the Currently Operational Testing SU-25 "Frogfoot" Ground Attack Aircraft
    But the NATO Forces won't let the Victory Stand as long as The Soviet Threat remains abound, and while the Armored Cavalry Regiments, Armored and Infantry Divisions are Licking their wounds, The British Royal Army and Air Force in the Region as well as The West German Army and Air Force are Ready to come in and Push the Soviets back into their Occupation zone, to say the least anyways. Below are the Forces Deployed to Retake the Town of Fulda and the Surrounding area.
    British Army on the Rhine:
    • 1 Armoured Regiment of Chieftain Tanks (Regimental HQ of 6-8 Tanks, 3 Squadrons or Companies of 18) and an Armored Brigade of Centurion Mk. V's (3 Regiments)
    • 3 FV 234 Mechanized Companies each with a 3 man Command Team, Six 4 Man Carl Gustav Anti-Tank Teams, Two 2 Man 2 in. Mortar Teams, Two 3 man SF GPMG Teams, Eight 4 Man L1A1 SLR (Slow Loading Rifle) with 66mm AT weapons and at least 5 FV 234's for Transport
    • 1 Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment with 1 Squadron of 18 Scorpions, 1 Squadron of 18 Scimitars and 1 Squadron of a 50/50 Mix of the Two Vehicles
    • 4 Batteries of 4 FV 433 Abbot 105mm Self-Propelled Howitzers
    • 4 Anti-Aircraft Batteries with 3 Chieftain Marksman Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns
    • Air Support from The Royal Air Force with Westland Lynx HELARM Helicopters and Hawker-Siddley Harrier's for Close Support
    West German Army:
    • 3 Leopard 1 Panzerkompanie (Tank Company) with 14 to 17 Leopard 1 Tanks
    • 1 Panzergrenadier Kompanie (Panzergrenadier Company) with 3 Panzergrenadier Zugs (Platoons) each with a 3 Man Command G3 Rifle Team, a 2 man Carl Gustav Team, Three 4 man MG3 Teams, Three 2 Man MILAN Missile Teams and 4 Marder IFV's for Support
    • 3 Platoons of 4 Kanonenjagdpanzer 90 mm's
    • 1 Jager Zug (Hunter Platoon) with a 3 Man Command G3 Rifle Team, Three 4 man MG3 and G3 Teams and Two 2 Man MILAN Missile Teams
    • 1 M113 Panzermörser Zug (Armored Mortar Platoon) with 3 M113 120mm Mortars
    • 3 Flakpanzer Batteries of 2 Flakpanzer GepardsBatteries
    • Air Support from the Bundeluft (Cold War German Air Force) with BO-105P PAH Anti-Tank Helicopters and Panavia Tornado IDS GR 1 Fighter-Bombers/Reconnaissance Aircraft
    Needless to say, Things are starting to heat up real quick in the Later stages of the Cold War. This video just shows how "Wargame: Red Dragon", "Red Alert 3", and "ArmA 3" could come together and make an Awesome battle simulation in "Men of War: Assault Squad 2" LMAO! Hope you like the Idea man, and I hope I didn't make you lose your eyesight. I spent about an hour typing this up as well as going back and forth between here and Team Yankee's Website for the Reference Material involved in making this. Glory to Raptoria, and I'll catch you in your next video man!

  • @mr.brasskutt5385
    @mr.brasskutt5385 3 года назад +8

    Buen video como siempre, me mató el soldadito con la "grease gun" .
    Muchas gracias por todo, con tal de que no sea profético...

  • @jamistyk2538
    @jamistyk2538 3 года назад +6

    You are the Divine Creator! This is wonderful! Congratulations!

  • @martinmendl1399
    @martinmendl1399 2 года назад +5

    You can try to do the Battle of the Suwalki gap with modern units… and we’ll check in a few days if you guessed it correctly.

  • @susricefarmer261
    @susricefarmer261 3 года назад +31

    Cant beleive they made the game into real life

    • @fluffymyato3334
      @fluffymyato3334 2 года назад

      Glad movie makers are now taking live-action adaptations seriously

  • @victoriousomen
    @victoriousomen 2 года назад +2

    Riveting stuff! Good work!

  • @garymathena2125
    @garymathena2125 Год назад +3

    Totally unrealistic, tanks NEVER operate that close together, also the American tanks would not silhouette themselves on a ridge line. They would hull down in prepared positions done by engineers. Also the soviets would be using T-62, T-72 not the T-80. There would be a lot of Soviet turrets flying in the air, due to the fuel line design of Russian tanks. They crews jumping out would be cut to ribbons by shrapnel from artillery, bursting around them and machine gun rounds ect.

    • @Cobra-King3
      @Cobra-King3 3 месяца назад

      Soviet planning dictated that elite units would smash the Fulda Gap, those units would likely be using early T-80 models and T-62's to make up mass, so this is actually accurate per the planning of both sides

  • @scrytox6981
    @scrytox6981 3 года назад +4

    2:22 war thunder moment

  • @schlirf
    @schlirf Год назад

    We held the Irish Pub at all costs, and never gave up our grasp of Andreasberg!

  • @kaefermichaify
    @kaefermichaify 2 года назад +1

    Artillery is lacking. But awesome detail.

  • @matthewskudzienski888
    @matthewskudzienski888 2 года назад +1

    It was during the Warsaw Pact Mid-late of The 1980’s during the Cold War

  • @tidepod10yearsago97
    @tidepod10yearsago97 Год назад

    2:22 Bruh moment for the Bradley

  • @dragonslayer3203
    @dragonslayer3203 3 года назад +25

    1982? More like 2023

  • @maxkeller102
    @maxkeller102 3 года назад +11

    Awesome video! Lets hope that this aint gonna happen in ukraine in the not so distant future

  • @renoradityaputra9019
    @renoradityaputra9019 3 года назад +2

    Nice this prediction is correct!

  • @tkvnn_production
    @tkvnn_production 2 года назад +4

    Nice battlefield. Still like your warfare video. I suggest you created Operation Downfall of WW2 (commanded by Douglas McArthur), a what-if scenario about the largest US invasion of Japan if Japan did not surrender. Good day :D

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  2 года назад +3

      Current events kind of pushed it back, but Operation Downfall is coming by the end of March latest, stay tuned! :)

    • @tkvnn_production
      @tkvnn_production 2 года назад +1

      @@warfare11gaming very nice. I guess u might put in many parts because that operation is pretty long :D

  • @seemankorias3696
    @seemankorias3696 3 года назад +3

    Awesome 👍👍

  • @anatolydyatlov3.6
    @anatolydyatlov3.6 3 года назад +1

    Nice Vid!

  • @nicm.z9868
    @nicm.z9868 3 года назад +2

    2:22 imagine not playing war thunder

  • @pyeitme508
    @pyeitme508 3 года назад +1

    Good timing

  • @casiplejeremyandrewh.2466
    @casiplejeremyandrewh.2466 3 года назад +1

    Now we Will Wait Combat Mission Black Sea UKR vs RUS

  • @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk
    @doktorhabilitowanystanczyk 2 месяца назад

    US leadership really thought USSR would invade through this one very specific chokepoint designed specifically to stop the USSR. lmao. Soviets aren't dumb.

  • @allenjacobangeles1949
    @allenjacobangeles1949 3 года назад

    Seeing the sponsor video makes it very real hahahahah, you know what I mean guys..

  • @tee21972
    @tee21972 2 года назад

    ใหญ่ประทะกันใครทนก็อยู่ ใครอ่อนก็พังแบบนี้ชอบ

  • @SouksavanThavonesouk
    @SouksavanThavonesouk 5 месяцев назад +1

    3:31 Is​ that​ t-64?

  • @Bulbagaba992
    @Bulbagaba992 3 года назад +2

    Well, quantity has a quality of its own.😉

  • @ilfarmboy
    @ilfarmboy 3 года назад +4

    should of had the abrams with the 120mm

    • @rconley95
      @rconley95 2 года назад +3

      Wasn't made yet in 1982

    • @ilfarmboy
      @ilfarmboy 2 года назад +1

      @@rconley95 thanks

  • @sovietgeneral-tc4ce
    @sovietgeneral-tc4ce 3 года назад +3

    well this never aged well

  • @jedimaceace8819
    @jedimaceace8819 2 года назад +1

    Btw i play conflict of nations and it's actually really good. That's all i wanted to say. plus it's free on phone and computer from what i know.

  • @whalehands
    @whalehands 2 года назад

    Sadly at this point at this point the Russians would resort to a tactical nuke

  • @АлександрКлимов-ф5ъ

    this is not nonsense. there is such a war that parties equal in all respects will receive equal losses and damage.

  • @garymathena2125
    @garymathena2125 Год назад

    You DO NOT fire a LAW from inside a building. Have you ever heard of back blast?

  • @edgaromarcampos1975
    @edgaromarcampos1975 3 года назад

    Yes

  • @rade6912
    @rade6912 3 года назад

    Best timing

  • @michy8258
    @michy8258 3 года назад

    Proprio in questo momento dovevi mettere sta roba

  • @Azultenshi
    @Azultenshi 2 года назад +1

    Soviet Doctrine was always "Quantity over Quality" but forgot this wasn't the 1940s anymore and would ultimately lose any war against NATO or the US itself. Poor logistics and its old army would suffer many losses.

  • @SergiuHellDragoonHQ
    @SergiuHellDragoonHQ 3 года назад +3

    Bad timing :|

  • @go3584
    @go3584 Год назад

    Победителя нет! Советы в конце должны применить ядерное разминирование!

  • @joeschmidt4858
    @joeschmidt4858 Год назад

    I was in Alpha trp 1/11 ACR in Fulda 83 to 87 our life expectancy was about 7 minutes if shit would have hit the fan

  • @dariush7557
    @dariush7557 2 года назад

    7:33 I find this vehicle awesome! 11:35 American tank fire on the communist tank.

  • @johnn9977
    @johnn9977 3 года назад

    Bad ass!!!!!

  • @PhoenixT70
    @PhoenixT70 3 года назад

    Sooo... this is timing.

  • @edgaromarcampos1975
    @edgaromarcampos1975 3 года назад +1

    Te ves bien excelente fantástico felicidades

  • @DeSquints
    @DeSquints 3 года назад

    Suggestion for next defense video: Russia Attack Ukraine

  • @nicholaslau264
    @nicholaslau264 3 года назад

    I want sniper vs convoy part 3 now

  • @DatScharger64
    @DatScharger64 3 года назад +5

    Excellent video!
    But...
    Is this really the right time to upload this, when the Ukraine is currently getting destroyed by Russia?

  • @Boeing-ER-yj8nn
    @Boeing-ER-yj8nn 2 года назад

    Me: wha- wait why tf did quality seem to be worse than other vid-
    **see the game name**
    Me: *Oh...*

  • @edgaromarcampos1975
    @edgaromarcampos1975 3 года назад

    Yes yes yes

  • @Engiscoud
    @Engiscoud 3 года назад

    is this the game WARGAME RED DRAGON? or Men Assault to squad

  • @Channel-cp4tc
    @Channel-cp4tc 2 года назад

    Make a video on the Chinese Invasion of North America.

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  2 года назад +3

      Definitely at some point

    • @MobileTaskForceE11
      @MobileTaskForceE11 2 года назад +1

      2 fps definitely in China it’s all about numbers China’s military is literally just human waves a tactic that is becoming less and less effective

  • @AudioTrackOficial
    @AudioTrackOficial 2 года назад +1

    nice 10 fps movie...

  • @FRFFW
    @FRFFW 3 года назад +1

    lol the situation

  • @lordcrimsonmoon9644
    @lordcrimsonmoon9644 Год назад

    idk why I see the Javelin in this video, it came into service in 1996 (edit: Its the M47 Dragon that Im seeing, not the Javelin)

  • @LordofMidsternHemisphere5100
    @LordofMidsternHemisphere5100 3 года назад

    No particle effect like projectiles shatters on impact eh?

  • @wulfone5961
    @wulfone5961 Год назад

    There wouldn't have been any M1's used in 1982. They didn't start using M1's till the mid 80's. Around 84-85. In 1982 the US main MBT was the M60 of different versions. The West Germans started using the Leopard 2 in 1979. The British had the challenger 1 in 1982. This doesn't mean they had a lot of them though. The West Germans would have mostly been using leopard 1's and the Brits would have been using Chieftains mostly as well. Not picking on your video just pointing out an inaccuracy.

  • @AR-SL11
    @AR-SL11 3 года назад

    2:21 nt dude

  • @Shavikaci123
    @Shavikaci123 3 года назад

    1 nuke and Westland it becames,oh boy i need to look at it

  • @山本浩二-w6f
    @山本浩二-w6f 2 года назад

    頑張ってくださいね

  • @PhillipLogan-r9y
    @PhillipLogan-r9y Год назад

    Served 3 years in fulda Germany du

  • @hoangquanly843
    @hoangquanly843 2 года назад

    🇻🇳Vietnam vs China🇨🇳 vs Canada🇨🇦 vs USA🇺🇲

  • @edgaromarcampos1975
    @edgaromarcampos1975 3 года назад

    Yes yes yes fantástico

  • @EugeneRossi
    @EugeneRossi 5 месяцев назад

    So, not the same Soviet tanks used in the Gulf War?

  • @davaohunters87
    @davaohunters87 2 года назад

    Toy story of NATO and America 🤮🤮🤮🤮

  • @u.m.9931
    @u.m.9931 3 года назад +1

    Can you make a us invasion of north Korea?

  • @pizzanucleer2789
    @pizzanucleer2789 3 года назад +5

    Is it me or the soviets tanks looks more like T 64 and T 72s but im not sure if its actually the early version of T80

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  3 года назад +4

      This game emphasize heavily on simulation and realistic models so it should be correct tho I'm not an expert

    • @pizzanucleer2789
      @pizzanucleer2789 3 года назад +1

      @@warfare11gaming yea im kinda wrong i just went to google to search it and it turns out its a T80B

    • @jukeseyable
      @jukeseyable 3 года назад +2

      @@pizzanucleer2789 at 1 min 40 seconds it's clearly T 62

    • @jukeseyable
      @jukeseyable 3 года назад +1

      @@warfare11gaming well the game clearly depicts a Bradley M3, (TOW rocket launcher) all though the Bradley was accepted for service in 1981, it didn't deploy until 1983, a year after this game is set, so not very accurate there

    • @pizzanucleer2789
      @pizzanucleer2789 3 года назад

      @@jukeseyable humm but i did not said about the T62 though was saying about the T80 :/

  • @amtrak2115
    @amtrak2115 11 месяцев назад +1

    game?

  • @babirukamu
    @babirukamu Год назад

    No flying turrets???

  • @edgaromarcampos1975
    @edgaromarcampos1975 3 года назад

    Felicidades fantástico

  • @bhishmaMbt
    @bhishmaMbt 3 года назад

    Oh man!!! What a battle it was!

  • @mikisc
    @mikisc 3 года назад

    This Is now

  • @davidspencer8373
    @davidspencer8373 3 года назад

    Like video

  • @afnankhan3450
    @afnankhan3450 2 года назад

    What is the software are you use for this vedio animation??

  • @casiplejeremyandrewh.2466
    @casiplejeremyandrewh.2466 3 года назад +1

    Are all Unit Set to Elite and Fanatic morale? seems both sides Performs Very well

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  3 года назад +1

      No. "Typical" setting was used. US troops were mainly, highly motivated and veteran skill while soviet troops had mainly regular skill

  • @javierpm1184
    @javierpm1184 3 года назад

    Tú a mí no me insurtes gafuo.. bulling un cogotazo al año no hace daño.. xD

  • @borisbritva2504
    @borisbritva2504 Год назад

    What’s the name of music?

  • @rajpawar9343
    @rajpawar9343 3 года назад +5

    It's a great example of the situation in Ukraine. This is what will happen if NATO attacks Russia in Ukraine.

    • @hahaaha7400
      @hahaaha7400 2 года назад +1

      I dont think ,Russia is very strong

    • @anunknownguy5776
      @anunknownguy5776 2 года назад +1

      Russian army is a shadow of it’s former self. They’re nothing compared to the Soviet army’s power.

  • @tee21972
    @tee21972 2 года назад

    ประจันบานไปเลย 55555

  • @isegonda
    @isegonda 2 года назад

    Subscribe and like comment kwi ITARA tv 2 wirebere film nyarwanda na comedy nziza zibereye amaso

  • @mike5d1
    @mike5d1 2 года назад +1

    Where are the West German Forces??

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  2 года назад +3

      Unfortunately this game doesn't have West German forces. Such a lost opportunity honestly

  • @emirteimouri7150
    @emirteimouri7150 3 года назад +2

    Where is leopard 2a7???

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  3 года назад +4

      In 1982 they bearly had Lepard 2A1

    • @emirteimouri7150
      @emirteimouri7150 3 года назад +1

      @@warfare11gaming thanks I thinking this is modern war but no
      This is amazing good

    • @Ivan-eq8hr
      @Ivan-eq8hr Год назад

      They didn't have any Abrams in those years either​@@warfare11gaming

  • @مهدیکارگر-ر7ر
    @مهدیکارگر-ر7ر 2 года назад +1

    🌹

  • @bkstudios5918
    @bkstudios5918 3 года назад +1

    What game is this?

  • @moistmike4150
    @moistmike4150 2 года назад

    How come nothing blows up?

    • @warfare11gaming
      @warfare11gaming  2 года назад +1

      Things do blow up but unfortunately, this game does not animate that event well, like turret flying off

  • @Presidential_HwarockOfficer
    @Presidential_HwarockOfficer 3 года назад +3

    OMG Warfare
    Massaive attacking with Front and Middle Truck?
    That is insane and idiot Attack!!
    This vid makes you Stalin, man! 😎

  • @nbayoungboydagoat5376
    @nbayoungboydagoat5376 3 года назад +2

    Hi

  • @strossicro1
    @strossicro1 11 месяцев назад

    literally same tech in Ukraine today

  • @kkklein4699
    @kkklein4699 2 года назад +1

    pray for ukrainian🙏🙏

  • @justdontfilmme3516
    @justdontfilmme3516 3 года назад +1

    This Like Russia And Ukriane But in fulda..

  • @agusrijanto1653
    @agusrijanto1653 2 года назад

    Warfare gaming can you make ukraine vs russian