Kawhi Leonard drops out of Team USA, has he ruined his legacy? | NBA | SPEAK
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- Kawhi Leonard withdrew from Team USA ahead of the 2024 Olympics. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss how Leonard’s legacy has been impacted by this as well as his recent injury woes.
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No.
Whoever manages Kawhii these past 4 years is the greatest of all time. I don't even know how he still gets signed to huge contracts.
No thanks. We have Unc and Ocho
They needa send Acho on vacation again broski is buggin 🤦🏾♂️
What he say that was wrong??? What has kawhi done impressive? His ring in Toronto isn't even legitimate cause injuries
Acho is slowly becoming wild with these takes
Facts. Lebron was afraid? 😂
They probably go over these questions in pre-show meetings and he puts it on himself to play devil's advocate on these topics.
Otherwise, it's not a debate. Not very good for ratings/views.
You'll see him smirk every now and then when the others are questioning his stance on certain things.
Yeah when acho admitted he gives takes just to make good back and forths for tv I lost all respect for him and his "opinions".
Acho Bayless😢
That’s the host always is on this show… they get unbearable
Comparing Kawhi to Greg oden is crazy. Smh
How does this call into question Kawhi’s legacy? Y’all just say anything for news or clicks huh? The man has rings and two FMVPs. He’ll be fine
Facts
He's always hurt
Post Toronto it's been really bad. I don't blame him, he doesn't need to play to make hundreds of millions of dollars but he's milking
And still a QUITTER!
They're right, his shyness comes off as cowardice, barely speaks, off putting interactions, King of load management, complete lack of real leadership. Kawhi been taken to the cleaners too many times. That's how he got washed 😂
2017 playoff zaza pachulia is what ruined Kawhi's legacy
Yup that’s when the load management started.
Na. That just exposed who the Spurs were dealing with and who Kawhi really is. This stint with the Clippers reaffirmed that. Even Paul George got tf away from this dude after he dragged him out there 😂.
Kwahi’s just cashing checks now. He belongs on the Utah Jazz.
He won in 2019 tho, he’s just getting old
@@daboss6614 true, I'm just a bit bitter as a spurs fan who loved kawhi, and the zaza incident is just when his injuries/drama with the spurs started
@@daboss6614 Lets be real they won cuz KD and Klay were injured. GSW resorted to play Buggie and he got injured too 😅
A lot of people don't understand how amazing Tiger winning the 2008 US open and 2019 Masters really was.
@@richardforbes943 the tying putt is iconic. He then won in a 18 hole playoff on one leg. For those who might not know.
I don't think it's his fault, he's just got that Todd gurley knee.
exactly!! so it was smart for him to use this time to focus to rest and get his body back to 100%... you cant get that without rest&recoop
@macanthony1982 how much more time you need 😂😂😂 how many games he miss again?
@@TaiLePhan right, you must be an athlete to know how it feels... LOL perhaps he will get right this summer... He is in his 30s now
@@TaiLePhanI mean, the clippers knew that and they still paid him, you can't blame him for taking the money, you would take the money too if they offered it to you
@@macanthony1982 how you injured in the playoffs and volunteer to be in the Olympics when he can't even stay healthy 😂
How is this affecting his legacy? He didn't even play during the playoffs. Now, if he got injured during the Olympics and has another setback, then y'all be saying he should've never gone to play. He has two rings, two Finals MVPs, and is a top-75 player. He'll be alright.
Your point is very valid , my question frm beginning was why is he and a few others on this team when we have younger fresher players capable in the NBA ,simply dude stays hurt
He knows he has to be in top shape if he wants to play 30 games
This comment outta pocket 😂😂
Bruh 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
@@startedfromscratch1529😂
@@MajestixComicsClix😂
ACHO, Please stop kissing your Oppressors backside and do your homework as opposed to ruining Kawhi Leonard legacy is still in tact folks, Joy Taylor is absolutely spot on today folks!!!❤ We all get injuries and Leonard will be back!!!
Dude hasn't finished the last four years healthy and his absence IS the reason why the Clippers run has failed. You don't get healthier or stronger in your mid to late 30s. His legacy will be tainted by injuries alone
@@Firestorm2814SectorEXACTLY💯🎯
He'll be back for what??? To play half the season then go down with another injury right before the playoffs😂😂
Get mental help you read to much BS.
You won’t say that to his face!
Didnt he play like 70 games last season? A contract year too. Shuts it down in the playoffs and now for Team USA. This guy is a business man
And still missed the playoffs.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Why agree to play on team USA to begin with?
And than when he got that bag and the playoffs were about to start he was suddenly hurt again
@@yarmus718 because he hasnt suited up for red white & blue before. Might not be a dream of his but is a nice thing to be able to say at the end of your career.
Michael Jordan comparisons is madness and then put him in the Greg Oden realm . Man what are you talking about? 1:32
Not even close to mj
@@jamesorr4445in terms of playstyle he was the closest thing to MJ cause of things like his mid range, defense and even his hand size that was a real comparison. Not saying he’s as good as MJ obviously but it was definitely a convo
@@guiseppejacobs2357 closest thing to MJ is Kobe, Kawhi can't sniff those guys. Kawhi's greatness ain't even top 3 in his generation. Stop trying to compare him to the GOAT.
@@Yangbo you said all this and somehow still missed the point of what I was saying lmao. Y’all are crazy
Kawhi was never better than Kobe as a two way player. Acho wild & compared him to Gregg Oden lmao This man is NUTS
He definitely was he wasn’t as flashy but defensively it’s not as close as it seems and offensively Kobe had more to offer but kawahi did it all especially in big moments
@@jamalellis2389Kobe plays all the games lol all of them
@@jamalellis2389Kobe was all defensive 12 times most by any gaurd in history and was one of the greatest scorers ever kawhi not touching kobe
@@RichHomieTjuan that's a pretty weak troll.
@@RichHomieTjuan kobe was all defensive team 12 times most selections by any Guard in nba history wtf u talking bout
2x Champion 2x NBA Finals= 1st ballot Hall of Famer
Nuff said….
I will remember kawaii for load management every time his name comes up period
Aint top 10 or even 20 all-time great.
2x DPOY as well
@@tigera6 What does that have to do with Kawhi being a future HOF?
The man has two Championships, two finals MVP’s and back to back defense player of the year awards, his legacy is straight. It’s just sometimes your body just doesn’t fully heal right after certain injuries. I would retire if it was my situation and still work for the league.
His legacy is what exactly?? Cause ask anyone his legacy could have been top 10…. Ut he’s clearly not due to load management/injuries … so isn’t that messing with his legacy?
His klickity clackity knees sure make it on the court for that contract year! Worst superstar in history as SAS says. Bum.
@@ryanlebard3787 umm his legacy is that he’s a winner. He’s accomplished more than most NBA players. If Steve Nash has a legacy then Kawhi will have one
@@jrcrit8843his legacy could have been much higher is the point … his legacy is gonna
“ what could have been “
All that resume was almost 5 years ago lol.
Kawhi also prevented a 3 peat for the 2013-14 heat and the 2018-19 warriors does that count for something? I’ve always wanted to witness an actual 3 peat run an he prevented both times of that… that’s greatness in my opinion 🤷♂️
Wouldn’t count the 2018-19 Warriors since KD and Klay both got hurt and couldn’t play the rest of the series. They even almost won Game 6 with just Steph and Game 6 Klay nearly carrying them to a win until he tore his ACL on the fast break dunk. But Kawhi def gets credit for his performance against the Heat
Not to me cuz lebron average 28 ppg on 59% FG against kawhi and both KD and klay got hurt in that finals series
Injuries prevented the golden state one but yes
He wasnt the carrying the Spurs team in the 2014 Final like he did in 2019 with Toronto.
@@tigera6 Understood but you know how the NBA is.. it’s all bout the narrative they want you to focus on kawhi beating Lebron/ Dwade not Kawhi Duncan Ginobili and company beating the heat
Kawhi Toronto and pre Toronto is like a completely different player than post Toronto Kawhi. It’s crazy
KD and Klay don't get hurt, Raptors don' t win the 2019 chip....but injuries are part of sports...in closing, others' injuries helped his career and his injuries did not allow him to reach his max potential...
Whenever acho starts his little exhausting speeches I fast forward the video
Joy knows dang well she did not say Toronto was winning a chip 😂
cry
@@sonseed7541 what up Joy nice to meet your burner
@@tjr2312 keep liking ur comments, hope the 16 likes was worth it , ur nobody in life 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@sonseed7541 Lmaoo what are you so mad for?? tf
@@SmokingSwisher another alt keep liking ur comments ur nothing in life
Best decision he ever made.
All of them talking about JJ's eating is hilarious. This team has chemistry.
kawhi is a 2 time finals mvp and 2 time champ
If KD wasn't hurt, he'd only have one finals and finals mvp.
@@ZomegJ Ok, we are using that logic. If Kawhi stayed healthy he would be the best player of all time and have 4 rings on 4 different teams. We like to focus on what really happened here.
@@AilmanF2P He was healthy in 2020 with months off and choked. He hasn’t even been on 4 different teams. It’s been a disaster with the Clippers
@@ZomegJas if GS didn’t win all their rings because of injuries?
No one was scared of Leonard. 😂 Spurs had a super team and deep. Leonard is getting free 💰 💰💰
Naw did put in work though
Spurs did not have a super team bro😂 what is you lying for
He was MVP on one of those Spurs titles
@@MrGroove0221 So. Spurs team was stacked.
@@guiseppejacobs2357Spurs were a great team and deep.
Bruh his legacy is load management… that’s in line…
And he's s hof despite you people discrediting him
Tell me you’re under 20 without telling me
@@de5913 I’m 36 dude…
@@MarcoBrolo I agree… but when you bring up kawhi to people… sadly… load management is what will be remembered
why does acho always have to speak like he's in a slam poetry competition?
Lebron was 28/7/5 on 57% FG. Kawhi wasn't stopping him at all. Spurs just shot lights out all series.
If Kawhi doesn't add to his resume, he will be remembered more as a trivia question. He will fade away. He doesn't give you anything else to grasp on too...and I think he is cool with that.
When kawhi Leonard was guarded him he wasn't averaging 28 ppg that's why he won finals mvp
I am pretty sure having Tim Duncan behind him guarding the rim has a lot to do with Lebron didnt do well in that Final.
The best two way player since Jordan 😒ummmmm Kobe Bryant my guy
lebron too lol
Kawhi is a better defender
@@MarcoBrolohe’s not a better 2 way player tho
@@MarcoBrolo oh ok Kobe better on offense now what?
@@Iceheartedbastard7 ^
Acho … I turned it off when he said “we said he’s the best two way player we’ve seen since Michael Jordan” bro nobody said that stop it
No never said that ever
Kawhi's legacy is already cemented. We as basketball fan, we don't care to what you felt about him...
Acho sounds like he's lacking things to talk about
That shot against the Sixers in the second round that bounche off the rim and went in to knock the Sixers out will always be remembered.
Blocked 😂 nb in Philly wanna read this bs 😂
Kobe and D Wade Are 2 Of The Best 2 Way Player Since MJ. Acho Be Reaching!!!!
No he was better defensively than both of him and was more consistent scoring than them both. He wasn’t as explosive scoring as them but defensively he was above both them.
How the F was Kawhi, the best two-way player since Jordan? Kobe!
He was
@@d.supreme8592
Not even close , one averaged more points , played better competition and was a better defender .
Kawhi was anointed by the media ( just like Wade) because they wanted to move on from Kobe and LeBron
Kawhis a joke
That one season he was a better defender than Kobe ever thought about being. Plus he put up good numbers on offense
@@therealfinancipationbruh they said Kawhi is a first ballot Hall of Famer 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Bro. Kobe not even rated top 5 on any top 5 articles lol. He's like number 8. Google it
What legacy did he have to begin with? His first chip he was the Spurs 4th option on the team and only got the FMVP because he “held” LeBron to 28 ppg. 🤦🏾♂️ Imagine getting an award simply because u “slowed”LeBron down enough that he didnt average 35 ppg against u.
Then the only reason he won a second chip was because 2 of GSW’s best 3 players suffered season ending injuries. 🤦🏾♂️
So if we’re going to be real about it what actual legacy does he have?
Facts
💯 I still can't believe people even tried putting him in Bron's category. I'm not even a LeBron fan, and they said him and PG would at least get one chip for the clippers, lol.
He offset lebrons(+,-) with his efficiency scoring.. not just playing defense. He out played his opposition. Well deserved MVP.
Facts bro he got one of the most overrated legacies he was basically Iggy In San Antonio and got fmvp and raptors had a winning record without him got carried all regular season
@peezydabeatmonster8112 yeah plus let's be honest, if KD isn't hurt, the Raptors aren't beating the Warriors in the finals imo.
“When he enters the hall of fame and gives his speech”
Kawhi speech:…………….. Thank you
joy got jelous asf when shady said he stayed in relationships my boy got her on lock
Gotta luv it😈
Ruined is too harsh of a word. Kawhi has become one of the most underwhelming players since Toronto
How did Acho become a lead analyst?!?
He got rid of Marcellus Wiley and took over
Kawhi is such a heartbreaker…I really wanted to put him in the Top 10!
Load management baby!
Speak for yourself Acho! I’m going to remember a 2 time MVP & Champion!
Woj just reported that Bronny is replacing him.
Nah it’s Derrick White
Not the Prince!!
Pa'paa & Bj bringin home that bronze!😭
Pah Pah can I be in the Olympic with you 😂
Kawhi is just fine. His legacy is cemented as a great in his era.
Yea a great load manager
It doesn't change his legacy its a part of it.
Only reason Kawhi has the Toronto championship is because Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson got injured in the Finals. Otherwise Warriors would have swept them or won 4-1. Kawhi was good, but he never even won a league MVP, so he was never considered the best player in the league. I agree with Acho, most people will remember Kawhi for his injuries and bringing load management to the league.
I swear this show focus on so much negativity. maybe one day shows like this will focus on positive things and up lifting. You can't take any accomplishments some one has achieved. kawhi is kawhi. Lead host on this show is ridiculous to listen to.
if the question was "did kawhi underachieve in the second half of his career?" then this segment would've been better. unless kawhi had an antonio brown level of off the field issues, then there's no way he could've "ruined" his legacy
This man was 2nd team all nba last year and u comparing him to an injured drose😭😭😭
For reals he shouldnt even be in d rose class he was an MVP
@@marklumar2034 leonard a 2 time
Final MVP aint better than regular season MVP.
@@tigera6you’re right. It’s way better.
@@tigera6 Yes it is, ask James Harden or Russell Westbrook. He has 2 with 2 different teams, put some respect on Kawhi's name.
Acho talking like he’s the equivalent of Kawhi 😂😂😂
I just wish he could mentor Anthony Edwards. Imagine Ant being able to get to his spots like Kawhi and being as elite on defense
Not a single person was saying Kawhi was on a trajectory of being top 10 all time nor was he ever the best player in the league.
omg, thank you....
plenty of people were saying that he was the best in the league after he won with toronto dumbo
I was thinking the same thing
Kawhi was definitely the best player in the league. From 2014-2019, kawhi was definitely the best player in the league. No one was better than him. Casuals
At one point that conversation was definitely had.
Ain’t never heard anyone compare kawhi to MJ ever😂😂😂
Yes you have.
He was only going to play in two games before he sustains an injury 😅
Achos take was spot on! Ill remember him as the greatest load manager and creator!
I used to be a fan of Kawhi but man this dude just doesn't show up for anything anymore goodness
There was never a time kawhi was better than kobe he was never looked at as the best behind Jordan .
Kawhi will fall with D. Rose, Tmac, Hill, and Penny as the biggest “what ifs” like Ocho said if Kawhi could just stay healthy he easily gets another DPOY an MVP possibly and a good chance another FMVP.
Umm compared to those guys he reached the pinnacle of mba success . 2 finals mvps are u kidding me ? Defensive player of the year awards ? He brought a chip to North America dude . He has done it all and still plating strong he just has not gotten back to the finals like many others .
@@francisikwueme1688 d rose was an mvp
The disrespect for Kobe is crazy, man was 9 time first team (NBA record),while leading an NBA decade in scoring and PPG.
Kobe is the best 2 way player since Jordan.
It's almost like once he realizes the team he's on ain't going to win a championship that year he's like f*** it we ain't going to win this year anyways
Acho said there’s no difference between being bad and hurt get him tf outta there. What are you talking about bro
What happened to go up against the Golden State team with Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson got hurt
Acho a wild boy😂 Kawhi is one of my favorite players. He's just Taking measures to be healthy for the season no need to risk the chance of injury
I wish the media could be fined for talking about injured players this way. This is unacceptable. Injuries come with a lot of psychological distress and emotional stress. Emmanuel is talking as if Kawhi purchased injuries. SMH!!!!
He sure can play the system. This guy has the best job ever. He's always injured at times when needed. But he has enough energy to continually collect pay while not making himself available to play. Yes he's done great things....but in a minimal way. He never intended to play for USA because ain't no money in it.Thumbs Down
His legacy is stamped and he has the team and personal accolades to back it up
The second championship was because Durant and Thompson were injured.
So what still counts its a ring not Toronto fault
Emmanuel might just want to go back to the Bachelor series. No one compared Kawhi to MJ.
Sadly man some ppl tried to.
Kawhi Leonard is indispensable for every team his god giving gifts is never to be questioned but players like him are very fragile players
The Fun Guy’s legacy hinged on that bubble year! The thing I hate is if the Clippers won that championship the media would’ve praised Khawi but they bash LeBron for winning it
8:46 That pause by Shady was wild.
The best ability is availability. Kawhi is not injured he just doesnt play hurt.
Acho going crazy with these takes man.
1. LBJ was never scared of Kawhi
2. Kobe was a better 2 way player than Kawhi
3. Kawhi got lucky af in 2019 finals. In two of the games he got carried by his role players not to mention GSW lost 2 of their starters.
4. Kawhi would never sniff top 10
4th option on the Spurs. Won in Toronto bc KD and Klay got hurt after barely beating Philly. Load management and injuries is what I will remember him for.
I actually think its good move for Kawai, as much as he is injured... he can take this time to recuperate 100% and get back in the gym to get strong again for next season
This why Mike the goat… nobody else was the best player during his reign
when it comes to injury history you can say Brandon Roy maybe but nowhere near Oden
2× NBA champion (2014, 2019)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2014, 2019)
6× NBA All-Star (2016, 2017, 2019-2021, 2024)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2020)
3× All-NBA First Team (2016, 2017, 2021)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2019, 2020, 2024)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2015, 2016)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2015-2017)
4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2014, 2019-2021)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA steals leader (2015)
NBA 75th Anniversary Team
Yo has ACHO even made a pro bowl lol he needs to cut it out
When he wins a league, MVP don't switch up
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Kobe: 9 All First Defensive Team, 11 All NBA first team
kawhi: 3 All First defensive team, 3 All NBA First team
No matter how hard the media try, the closest thing to Michael Jordan, offensively and defensively is Kobe Bryant. Kawhi is nice but he never even rivalled Kobe, let alone being in the same breath as MJ
I don’t think Kawhi being injured is his fault. I think it’s a condition he has to manage and he does manage it very well cause he still does his thing. 6 months ago he was in the mvp convo.
This is like when people try to discredit Lebron for how he is playing rn at age 38,39 you can’t discredit/takeaway what has already been accomplished
It doesn’t take away from Kawhi’s legacy. BUT part of his legacy has to be the load management which has led to several discussions about NBA players being soft because of it
Kawhi's legacy is fine.
That said, the best 2way player since MJ is Kobe. The best midrange game since MJ is also Kobe. Kawhi is the best since Kobe.
Man. Where is y'all WNBA coverage. Angel Reese Made y'all's takes look foolish. When are James and Lady McCoy going to race the 40yards? Someone Bsn
I think with him there’s always been rumors/speculation that he doesn’t want to play, if he has the smallest ailment he rules himself out of games
Joy. “It’s not Kawhi Leonard that he gets injured.”
Then whose fault is it Joy? Make it make sense. 🙄
Shady was on point about Leonard just staying quiet.😅😂😂
I don’t think Kawhi cares about legacy because honestly when he retires he will probably never be seen again publicly
Im with joy on this 1 ‼️
Nothing can take away what he’s done.
He should off stay with the spurs. Spurs culture loved kawhi. But he turned his back on them. He could off extended the spurs dynasty with a couple more rings. Leaving the spurs was his down fall.
Kawhi still wanted to play tho. USA and the clippers decided it be better if he didn't. He was just respecting their decision. There's a reason why they wanted him. He's still like that. Legacy is cemented
acho just loves talking
Why do you think he didn't go to the Olympics? He's focusing on his upcoming season with the Clippers. He's also focusing on staying healthy for the Clippers by not attending the Olympics and having the off chance of getting injured. I think it was a smart move.
They won without kd and klay, let's not forget
His legacy was his laugh, you turned him into a comic. How funny are you guys.
Kawhi had GOAT potential. But that’s been gone for a while.
He was still an incredible player at his peak. Easy first ballot HOF.
I don’t think dropping out of the Olympic squad impacts his legacy in the slightest. His injury history is what did it