After browsing these comments, everything I had to say was said many times over. Never seen this channel before. I really appreciate how direct and clear your speech is, I literally recall everything you mentioned in these 14 minutes. It wasn't just talk either, you're there on the scene surrounded by the hardware, shairing data worth more than solid gold. Super cool sir.
@@tvviewer4500 Well that's incorrect. Gruber Motor Company is independent and owned by Pete Gruber. There are many random brand specialist shops out there, but just because they specialize in Ferraris for example, I easily understand that I'm not talking to Ferrari when I call them.
@@deanfielding4411 Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit.
*I'm not sure if it was planned* but your speed of communication and walk thru of garage was very well conducted. I greatly appreciated your calm tone rather the screamer or overly excited as seen in other hosts. _Hats off to the Camera person you did banger of a job_ ☺️🌟 📸
Extremely well put-together video. Seamless transitions and constant movement to keep the viewer engaged. I'm guessing you're reading from a prompter (hence the sunglasses) but it's a nice solution to make sure your presentations is clean and easy to follow from start to finish. Compliments to the production team.
Strong deductive reasoning, although I could see myself justifying the sunglasses just to prove that knowing what your talking about is badass. Especially if I could pull it off as well as this guy does. Also, he also likely memorizes at least some lines where there is too great a distance between subject and camera for most teleprompters to work. if it's just flashing 1-3 words, that can be hard to sound natural like he does. Those are the ones that work from a great enough distance for that exterior downward yaw shot for instance. Important to note, while at times he looks off frame, there are significant periods where he does not. While I did not have the best lighting conditions, I looked for a sideways reflection of a teleprompter and saw none. Some teleprompters are fairly low light though, and hiding it in the shadow may have been sufficient.
One of the best summaries of Tesla's history I've seen. Great insight into what to expect as Teslas age. Makes me feel a lot better about my used model s!
It’s really good to see someone who knows exactly what he’s talking about and just gives you the true story about that subject. This is a great example
The best review of a car you can get comes from an honest mechanic. Salesmen wouldn't tell the truth and car reviewers usually look at new cars or quirky cars, but they don't consider the long-term ownership. For those of us who prefer buying a car once a decade (or less), we want to have some confidence that it won't become an expensive basket case within that time. I'd rather, in fact, be able to sell or give away a car with a lot of life left in it - so the next owner doesn't get burned on it. I would feel bad selling a car that's near the end of life on a $20K component. (Even $5k is outside a lot of people's means.)
"no hype" ??? He failed to mention some major issues with: Tesla policies, Tesla's delayed and overpriced parts costs, Rising Tesla insurance costs, Legal Issues with Telsa, etc.
@@davidhollenshead4892 oh and they are being produced out of circus tents in the back of a plant from 1962. I was very surprised to see the reality of Tesla when I first showed up at the facility in Fremont. The place is a complete crap show
Bro! The best video in recent times about a car brand pros and cons. Not like typical RUclips reviewers who give us their opinions and most no facts or if any, biased especially due to censorship or sponsorship. I know more about electric car batteries now than I did yesterday. Thank you!
As a gen 1 MX owner, I want to thank you for all your hard work, planning, tracking, and analyzing that you put into these vehicles. I used to dream my son will one day become an engineer for somewhere like Tesla, now, I think, why not somewhere like here; who restores and honors these historic vehicles? I'm so sorry for your recent loss, but I know you will rebuild and move forward with this challenge. You all are an inspiration to me.
Fascinating! Answers the obvious question of concern to all Tesla owners and would be owners. Restoring a failing battery pack seems like a better solution than simply laying out $25,000 for a brand new pack.
Subbed off the bat from this! Great quality, excellent presentation. Zero fluff or even slick intros, just straight facts and explanation! It'll be neat to see how these and other electric cars handle aging, as you said. Hopefully, gracefully.
Don't fear the battery, fear the motor. I'm on my 3rd motor. 2012 P85 original motor lasted 40k miles. Replaced under warranty with new motor lasting only 13k miles and dead stop fail. Just paid $9000 for a new motor. That hurts. I thought these motors last 200k miles. But I still love my fast AF P85.
I have the same car, 2013 p85. First drive unit replaced at 47k in 2012. Have 15k miles on this one. I'm out of warranty now. I am contemplating replacing the p85 motor w/ the smaller s60 rear drive units - they appear to be much more reliable. Will be looking at a company like gruber to do it. Did you have coolant leakage, or what was the failure problem with yours? I have a feeling the fluid (atf & coolant) might need to be changed at a schedule of more like 15-20k miles instead of 50k. I wonder what Gruber knows about this. Rich Rebuilds replaced his p85 motor w/ a small rear drive motor for $4k.
As an automation engineer I found this video informative, accurate, unbiased, and well presented. I agree with the conclusions and see a market for cell repairs to keep these EVs in operation for the next generation of owners in the lower economic bracket, who undoubtedly will constitute the largest portion of owners in the coming years. With regard to release of the first Tesla roadsters it is essential they were released early as this expedites engineering quality loop feedback and accelerated improvement. In theory, no car or product is perfect when first to market, however Tesla has implemented firmware as you stated and improvements can now be made "on the fly". I admire your set-up and dedication to providing a comprehensive and reliable solution to the aging EV challenges.
People like you will be important in the next 10 years when EVs start to become everywhere. Battery cell remanufacturing is critical for the EV movement. Research and videos like these are necessary to help maintain EV longevity
Really nice video. My Model S P85 is outside warranty, but the car is so well made it doesn't make me worried. Now that we have companies like Gruber Motor Company and others there will be much more demand for used electric vehicles. Where I live, there are about 22% electric vehicles, and the number is rising every month.
I'm so glad and relieved Pete Gruber, that your company is predictively analyzing and servicing the Tesla Roadster and mass production Teslas. Yesterday on a run I imagined what would a 20yr old Tesla be doing?
You put this in such a way that if I was tesla I would reach out to you, no doubt. I hope they do! Great video, great job you are doing with your company.
I'm looking forward to seeing battery pack repair options as the growing number of Teslas on the road begin to age. Battery repair is going to be crucial for the used EV market to be sustainable.
If there are just a failure in electric cirquit or few damaged cells, the battery can be repaired. That is not going to be very common. Typically cells age evenly especially when temperature management is good. The daisy chain failure which was mentioned in the video means that practically all cells have aged into level where they can't operate properly. When used right, a pack can withstand a lots of miles especially if they are driven over short period of time. If the car is closing 20 year age, it becomes more important what have been average charge level or temperature during the storage. Batteries like to be in 50% charge level and stored in a cool place. Hot is generally bad since it accelerates unwanted chemical reactions.
This is the most informative and detailed video on arguably biggest issues Tesla, nevermind future EVs face. Thank you for making this video and good luck to your company.
If this video highlights one thing, there is almost no private EV servicing/engineering shops out there. Certainly a big opportunity to be a pioneer. Secondly also shows how quickly EV's will depreciate towards the end of the battery pack life. The lifespan of battery packs will probably set the depreciation rate.
Good video. I believe Tesla battery packs will only become more difficult to repair in the newer models. Like Apple has done with its batteries, Tesla is moving toward tighter integration of the battery with the rest of the vehicle in order to improve range and reduce initial cost, with repairability sacrificed in the process. I foresee many of these packs ending up being shipped to third world countries where 12 year old boys will pick through them and harvest the recyclable materials. Not good.
I agree it depends on Tesla's management goals, how long a life expectancy the vehicle should have, versus the customer having to buy a new one. So yeah, greed will create disposable cars. Maybe the factory will offer a recycling program.
It depends what angle they want to play. I think their main goal is to reduce defective cells in the first place rather than needing a battery replacement. But I think if EVs are going to become sustainable, the only way is if the batteries are easily replaceable. Luckily Elon is a bit more in touch with the user than Apple CEOs so I think once EV’s start to really become common, this will happen
Am I the only one who when seeing the mega-castings and structural battery packs - thinking how will you be able to replace the battery pack if & when?
This is just one thing that has always had me asking questions about the future of electric cars that nobody seems to know the answer "oh don't worry about it" " It hasn't happened to me" well...its here and its real, thanks for getting the word out.
Yeah this was one of my initial reactions to the new tesla design, they now plan to integrate the pack into the damn frame! Talk about insane from a serviceability standpoint.
Very professional, knowledgeable and professional. One of the best and most worthwhile videos on RUclips. Gruber motor company has secured its future for 100 years. Gruber motors should become an official partner / official third party service and batter centre for Tesla motor. Like Mr Gruber says, Tesla must not end up with a global reputation that their cars are throw away , or their cars are defunct after 8-10 years.
Everyone else has said it but i want to say it again. This was extremely well done and put together, looks great, great transitions, great informations and hits just about any question i had about the batteries and their repairability. I was engaged the whole time, just very well done!
I’ve never subscribed to a channel after only one video.. till now. Waiting on my 2021 model 3 long range and this was the exact video I needed to remain confident while waiting. Thank you 🙏🏼
Watching this has instilled a greater faith in the future of electric vehicles. It is comforting to see the network of EV support unfolding. Look forward to seeing more.
Except Tesla is openly hostile to 'independent' shops. Ask the guy who runs the very popular Tesla repair site on RUclips about having his fast charging disabled for an 'unauthorized' repair. The EV future looks good, the Tesla EV future, not so much.
@@elmarko9051 how does it look good especially since you have to consider that most americans can’t afford to buy a car newer than 10-20 years old. I have yet to see a 10 year old EV with less issues than a 65 year old bell air that has no engine. you have decades before we have EVs replacing Gas for passenger cars and I doubt it against trucks especially off road and hunting rig trucks and semis will never go EV because you still have Peterbilt’s made in the 70’s with a million miles on them, Name a EV that has even done a quarter of that and still has 95% battery health
Amazing video, I can't wait to see more content in the same format. I am amazed at how engaging and informative the video was, you always keep it on point and moving through topics fast in order to keep audience engaged. No weird transitions or cheesy comments and intros. I really loved this video and I am excited to see more. Keep up the great work and you will see your channel grow to millions of subscribers! You just added one new subscriber :D
He said model 3 replacement battery will cost that much. The replacement costs about 16000 and over 6000 is work. In future models with integrated battery pack, it is propably even more difficult to replace the pack. We must hope they get 4680 cell quality right on start or it may cause problems for Tesla. Unfortunately good servive and cheap spare parts haven't been on Tesla's main focus so far.
@@TwoTall1988 That was mode S and since then they canceled plans from battery swap. Model 3 is completely new design and battery replacement needs lots of work. If you ask from me, all service jobs are highly over priced. That's the reality anyway.
I was a cab driver in Australia for many years. My experience was with Camry and Prius. I figured out that, as a private person, I would never purchase a hybrid. This is simply because, as a private person, you are completely at the mercy of the dealers. And dealers being dealers, they will rip you off for all that they can get out of your wallet. Imagine; Friday night 6 pm, your vehicle says ‘check hybrid system’, you may have to take the vehicle home and wait til morning to get it to a dealer. Dealer takes it out of your sight and you don’t know what they are doing. It may have been caused by a ‘momentary batt voltage drop’ (which caused the fault indication). This is 10 minutes to ‘reset’ the fault with a hand held meter (used by the dealers ‘technician’), They bring the vehicle back to you, blah blah, that will be $200 sir. Trust me, buy a ‘normal’ petrol or diesel vehicle that any mechanic can work on, even when you are out in the boonies or back of beyond. You will give yourself a peace of mind that will never be achieved with an electric vehicle. Trust me, I have seen the bullshit of overcharging and you can’t prove that you were charged more than it was worth.
6:21 - "The Roadster was originally a niche market. There are only 2400 of them around the planet" CORRECTION ! There are about 2399 on the planet and 1 around the planet :D
@@redbaron6805 Correction : the Roadster is in a heliocentric orbit that crosses the orbit of Mars and reaches a distance of 1.66 au from the Sun. With an inclination of roughly 1 degree to the ecliptic plane, compared to Mars' 1.85° inclination, this trajectory by design cannot intercept Mars, so the car will neither fly by Mars nor enter an orbit around Mars. It eventually comes back close to Earth's orbit. Overall the Roadster's orbit is around the orbit of the Earth, therefore it is around Earth.
Interesting information. I prefer infernal combustion engines. 22k for a battery is almost as much as I paid for my truck, at the time it was 2 years old with 30k miles. That is insane. Even 5 grand to rework a battery pack is out of the affordability range for a lot of people. It is like pulling teeth to get people to put rotors on their car when they are getting brakes done as it is. People treat cars like appliances, that is part of the reason why leasing has become so popular and continues to gain popularity.
Great video. My only disagreement is with the assertion there are fewer parts. There are not. There are probably hundreds of thousands of more parts. The issue is that they are entoumbed in extremely expensive modules that are under Tesla's lock and key.
Wow a new generation of service centers geared up for the cars of tomorrow. I hope that Gruber and others on the forefront continue to grow and become more successful in years to come! It won't be just cars. Soon it'll be home battery packs or maybe even regional mega packs.
My 2006 Prius threw the traction battery code. I took out the pack, used a free harbor freight volt ohm meter. I located one cell not up to snuff ( one) replaced it. That was four months ago, everything is fine getting 46-48 mpg. . Getting the battery out of the vehicle was ten times the work of replacing the bad cell. One good idea would be to make the batteries readily accessible.
Great video! Electric cars may end up like light bulbs did in the 1920's, where the money put in to R & D for making them last longer simply meant you were going to sell less light bulbs.
How long do you expect a $5k repair to last vs a $20K new pack? If the cells start wearing out, might as well replace the whole pack, the labor to take it our, fix a few cells and put it back is probably 80% of the cost. Once you hit the back end of the the 'bathtub curve' , it's over for that whole pack.
@@TD_YT066 I expect that refurb to last maybe 2-3 years and 20,000-30,000km before it needs to be done again and the same again before full replacement. At that point the customer would be paying the price of a new compact car to keep their 15 year old tired worn out car running.
I have a 2018 Model 3 Performance. I plan to keep it until I die and in the family after. I will reach out, if/when I need to replace/update the battery.
Very interesting, and thanks. My low mileage UK Roadster has never had a PEM clean, but has been serviced by Tesla a few times, so hopefully they at least clean out all the forced air system. Roll on having a facility like yours in the UK or the EU.
This is a list of Annual Roadster services we perform. We have updated the Tesla Service Centers with this recommended list as well. grubermotors.com/services/roadster-annual-maintenance-service/
@@joedilellio3627 do you mean the upcoming supercar version with the spacex thrusters and electro magnetic windshield washers? Cause I was thinking something with like a 5 digit price tag.
@@maxnovakovics2568 The next gen Roadster will have no Lotus in the DNA anywhere. Lotus actually has their own EV supercar coming out - Evija, at over $2M compared to the 250K new Roadster which is a 100% Tesla creation.
Am I the only one finding this video addressed for Tesla’s executives? Smells like the invitation to cooperate on a maintenance chain :) Great video btw!
Why would anyone want a battery car? I look at the complexity and feel sick. If it goes wrong your at their mercy, you can't beat a carburettor and points ignition for simplicity.
@@anthonyprice5596 i think its really just something else, not complicated if you learn, that 2008 camry dont use carburettors and points either and heavily rely on computers and sensors too, in which Companys like Renault i like is holding their computer communicators to them self with rediculous prices for the ordinary fixer.
@@anthonyprice5596 I personnally wont risk getting locking in a burning battery fire. I still feel like I have a place in this world. Some are dumb and unsuspecting, others just want to die, so they drive a Tesla.
Dude! That was fascinating! Great video and I look forward to more! My only suggest is for your editor to equalise the volume of your voice and the outro music, *ouch* that was loud after needing to turn you up. Keep up the great work though! X
@@eastmanresearch3143 Standard motor. I had it replaced once under warranty (it worked fine, but made more noise than I wanted). It is only the size of a watermelon and only took about 3 hours to swap.
this guys are great, i bought a windshield went to pick it up from san diego/tj to phoenix and they were super nice even showed me all their cars and facility. recommended.
I can't really say or add anything that hasn't already been said very well spoken very well directed and absolutely 100% correct and to the point very very well done thank you
well the tesla beats the lamborghini, but the tesla has more power than a lamborghini and nothing special, when the tesla will do 200mph with 300hp then it will be something innovative, adding power unnecessarily makes no sense
Aye, but Lamborghini owners are mostly stock traders, drug dealers, Saudis, sons of dictators or people whose hip hop track hit the charts, and those people find more satisfaction in the effects of engaging launch control at the zebras, preferably with an elderly lady on, than from the actual acceleration. So essentially, your comment is pointless. I've heard, the latest Maclaren has a button to lock the front wheels while spinning the rear wheels to smoke to optimise the effectiveness of launch control, so there you go, top that...
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beating a Lambo is one of the main points of the family car :D sure... and on the track/ twisty road lighter aero car roasts any EV
This is well done, but you should mention: "daisy chain failures", are like your Christmas lights, all in series. If one light goes out, the whole chain fails. The same thing happens with a lot of batteries in series. Not only is the offending battery hard to find, its also very difficult/impossible to extract the battery that failed, since (on Tesla) it is essentially cemented in place.
Good on you guys for making sure these cars have a second life. If Tesla is not equipped to do battery restorations, hopefully they begin to do outsourcing and referrals to authorized third parties to fix and refurbish batteries, it could be a good cottage industry for a lot of the technicians who will be put out of work in the ICE vehicle sector. This expands beyond Tesla, as VW, Hyundai, GM, etc will also need to have businesses equipped to repair batteries.
I live in a Cold Climate, CT. It's cold in the winter and they use salt on the roads mixed with sand. It will eat a car and well bridges too. That being said, I have only seen one of these cars where I live. Low production numbers mean there is not a whole lot of them around Gee's Ford sold 800000 F-150s last year. And Good luck if you want a Toyota Tundra. I have a more positive view of EV's than I did. They are a niche vehicle. For some people sure it's the way to go, for people like me that live in a very very rural area and that would be for a good chunk of the country, no it does not make any sense at all. You are going to have to be a near electrical and computer engineer to do the kind of service that is coming with them. What good is a car if in order to fix it you have to spend a day taking it apart another day or two to effect the repair and then another day putting it all back together? And you know that such skilled labor is going to be billed out at well over 100 dollars an hour. Gas-powered cars are not going to disappear, in your lifetime or in your great grand children's lifetime. Then there is the issue of the dirty toxic lithium mining, electricity to run the vehicles, and everything else. Not exactly pollution-free, but that is another subject and argument.
After browsing these comments, everything I had to say was said many times over. Never seen this channel before. I really appreciate how direct and clear your speech is, I literally recall everything you mentioned in these 14 minutes.
It wasn't just talk either, you're there on the scene surrounded by the hardware, shairing data worth more than solid gold. Super cool sir.
Same here.
It is a tesla commercial...
@@tvviewer4500 Well that's incorrect. Gruber Motor Company is independent and owned by Pete Gruber. There are many random brand specialist shops out there, but just because they specialize in Ferraris for example, I easily understand that I'm not talking to Ferrari when I call them.
@@NoMoYOUsernames you might not be smart enough to get things
One of the best technical summary videos on the web. Well done.
I Agree
Thank you VERY informative video
anything is possible when you have an endless supply of welfare money
@@MyNameIsChristBringsASword What on earth are you on about?
@@deanfielding4411 Tesla's Main Product Isn't Cars, It's Subsidies Tesla received $713 million in U.S. subsidies in Q3, compared to its $312 million profit.
*I'm not sure if it was planned* but your speed of communication and walk thru of garage was very well conducted. I greatly appreciated your calm tone rather the screamer or overly excited as seen in other hosts. _Hats off to the Camera person you did banger of a job_ ☺️🌟 📸
I also dislike those people that speak too slowly.
Yeah, those give me a headache after a while
@@michaelbujaki2462 *video speed set to 1.25% speed*
@@mh13mini I actually set it to 2x speed in some cases.
I found it far better at 1.5 x. Otherwise it was just a painfully slow advert for Gruber.
Extremely well put-together video. Seamless transitions and constant movement to keep the viewer engaged. I'm guessing you're reading from a prompter (hence the sunglasses) but it's a nice solution to make sure your presentations is clean and easy to follow from start to finish. Compliments to the production team.
Came here to say this. You've got a great production team and editor - very well put together video
Geez, come up for air 😂
The sound quality is impeccable!
I'm amazing at the sound leveling across different scenes and must have been different times of day
Strong deductive reasoning, although I could see myself justifying the sunglasses just to prove that knowing what your talking about is badass. Especially if I could pull it off as well as this guy does.
Also, he also likely memorizes at least some lines where there is too great a distance between subject and camera for most teleprompters to work. if it's just flashing 1-3 words, that can be hard to sound natural like he does. Those are the ones that work from a great enough distance for that exterior downward yaw shot for instance.
Important to note, while at times he looks off frame, there are significant periods where he does not. While I did not have the best lighting conditions, I looked for a sideways reflection of a teleprompter and saw none. Some teleprompters are fairly low light though, and hiding it in the shadow may have been sufficient.
One of the best summaries of Tesla's history I've seen. Great insight into what to expect as Teslas age. Makes me feel a lot better about my used model s!
I would 100% trust this guy with my car. Very well spoken. And obviously knows his business. Much Success.
No hype. Straightforward. Balanced. informative and insightful. I so wish every video were like this one.
It’s really good to see someone who knows exactly what he’s talking about and just gives you the true story about that subject. This is a great example
The best review of a car you can get comes from an honest mechanic. Salesmen wouldn't tell the truth and car reviewers usually look at new cars or quirky cars, but they don't consider the long-term ownership. For those of us who prefer buying a car once a decade (or less), we want to have some confidence that it won't become an expensive basket case within that time. I'd rather, in fact, be able to sell or give away a car with a lot of life left in it - so the next owner doesn't get burned on it. I would feel bad selling a car that's near the end of life on a $20K component. (Even $5k is outside a lot of people's means.)
So he has no intrest ........🤣🤣🤣🤣
Speech clarity and cadence are refined to the level of a Ted talk. Really nicely done, practically professorial.
Ted Talk are mostly fluff.
This is way better.
@@Baamthe25th Only intended to comment on delivery; content is a separate issue 👍🏻
@@PMitchell106 Well, the Ted delivery is a way to hide a lack of content, tbh. So the to ideas are linked
@@Baamthe25th k 👍🏻
No hype. Just facts. Delivered with professionalism and poise. Well done.
It’s a rare thing on RUclips
Camera work is pretty bad tho, constantly panning, moving, pointless shots of teddy bears in cars.
@@user-zt4ry9hm9u lies
"no hype" ???
He failed to mention some major issues with:
Tesla policies,
Tesla's delayed and overpriced parts costs,
Rising Tesla insurance costs,
Legal Issues with Telsa,
etc.
@@davidhollenshead4892 oh and they are being produced out of circus tents in the back of a plant from 1962. I was very surprised to see the reality of Tesla when I first showed up at the facility in Fremont. The place is a complete crap show
Bro! The best video in recent times about a car brand pros and cons. Not like typical RUclips reviewers who give us their opinions and most no facts or if any, biased especially due to censorship or sponsorship. I know more about electric car batteries now than I did yesterday. Thank you!
I have no idea what he's on about......but he does narrate in a calm and rational way😃👍
Clear. No urge to buy the product but this is perfection. Only engineers could have produced this work of art.
you mean this youtube video?
@@user-ho1hw7ps4v script
We need a Gruber Company in Europe.
And Australia, please.
I know in Netherlands there are speciality third party repair shops. I'm not sure if they can repair battery packs though.
@Kannon Valentino You mean you brute forced a password in under 15 minutes?
Add New Zealand to that list and the idea of owning a 2nd hand Tesla is sounding pretty good.
When Mr. Gruber said “is inevitable” with those glasses on, I immediately transported myself to the Matrix! My favorite line in the movie!
If nothing else you've got to respect the microphone he's using. Crisp, no background noise in the shop. 👍🏼🔥💯
Articulate, tact, succinct, quality, knowledge. One of the best presentations about Tesla I have seen on RUclips.
Why is Pete Gruber dressed up as Jessy Pinkman? Jokes aside, its a great video and well narrated.
Don't annoy him or he will come and cap your a%%.
I came to the comments just for this.
Science bitchhhh🤷
I thing he is/was ill, maybe that's why this disguise.
Yo yo yo Mr.White
As a gen 1 MX owner, I want to thank you for all your hard work, planning, tracking, and analyzing that you put into these vehicles. I used to dream my son will one day become an engineer for somewhere like Tesla, now, I think, why not somewhere like here; who restores and honors these historic vehicles? I'm so sorry for your recent loss, but I know you will rebuild and move forward with this challenge. You all are an inspiration to me.
This was a master class video, writing, directing, acting, camera work, all at top tier lvl
I really like this guy. He has really honest vibes.
Thank you so much for this very enlightening video. I hope i never need your services but its comforting to know your there.
Fascinating! Answers the obvious question of concern to all Tesla owners and would be owners. Restoring a failing battery pack seems like a better solution than simply laying out $25,000 for a brand new pack.
I'll pay $5000 to be one of your first students in your tesla tech school. Beautiful company thank you.
I drive a S type 2017 with 85K miles . No problems at this point. Thank you very much for this video..
Subbed off the bat from this! Great quality, excellent presentation. Zero fluff or even slick intros, just straight facts and explanation! It'll be neat to see how these and other electric cars handle aging, as you said. Hopefully, gracefully.
Don't fear the battery, fear the motor. I'm on my 3rd motor. 2012 P85 original motor lasted 40k miles. Replaced under warranty with new motor lasting only 13k miles and dead stop fail. Just paid $9000 for a new motor. That hurts. I thought these motors last 200k miles. But I still love my fast AF P85.
I have the same car, 2013 p85. First drive unit replaced at 47k in 2012. Have 15k miles on this one. I'm out of warranty now. I am contemplating replacing the p85 motor w/ the smaller s60 rear drive units - they appear to be much more reliable. Will be looking at a company like gruber to do it. Did you have coolant leakage, or what was the failure problem with yours? I have a feeling the fluid (atf & coolant) might need to be changed at a schedule of more like 15-20k miles instead of 50k. I wonder what Gruber knows about this. Rich Rebuilds replaced his p85 motor w/ a small rear drive motor for $4k.
Thank you for all that you do, as 2013 85kwh Model S owner with an original battery and 130k miles, I think if I have issues I'll come to you
As an automation engineer I found this video informative, accurate, unbiased, and well presented. I agree with the conclusions and see a market for cell repairs to keep these EVs in operation for the next generation of owners in the lower economic bracket, who undoubtedly will constitute the largest portion of owners in the coming years. With regard to release of the first Tesla roadsters it is essential they were released early as this expedites engineering quality loop feedback and accelerated improvement. In theory, no car or product is perfect when first to market, however Tesla has implemented firmware as you stated and improvements can now be made "on the fly". I admire your set-up and dedication to providing a comprehensive and reliable solution to the aging EV challenges.
Love this guy's demeanor, he could tell me anything and I'll listen
Is it me or is this guy just COOL?
Hands down the most knowledgeable video on Tesla ownership and more importantly your transparency. Thank you.
People like you will be important in the next 10 years when EVs start to become everywhere. Battery cell remanufacturing is critical for the EV movement. Research and videos like these are necessary to help maintain EV longevity
I could listen to this man on a Netflix documentary.
Why not yt documentary?
@@daniel1RM bcoz he gay af
Really nice video. My Model S P85 is outside warranty, but the car is so well made it doesn't make me worried. Now that we have companies like Gruber Motor Company and others there will be much more demand for used electric vehicles. Where I live, there are about 22% electric vehicles, and the number is rising every month.
This is mandatory content for someone considering to buy a used Tesla 👍
I'm so glad and relieved Pete Gruber, that your company is predictively analyzing and servicing the Tesla Roadster and mass production Teslas.
Yesterday on a run I imagined what would a 20yr old Tesla be doing?
You put this in such a way that if I was tesla I would reach out to you, no doubt. I hope they do! Great video, great job you are doing with your company.
Dropping some hard knowledge amassed over the years, really appreciated
I'm looking forward to seeing battery pack repair options as the growing number of Teslas on the road begin to age. Battery repair is going to be crucial for the used EV market to be sustainable.
If there are just a failure in electric cirquit or few damaged cells, the battery can be repaired. That is not going to be very common.
Typically cells age evenly especially when temperature management is good. The daisy chain failure which was mentioned in the video means that practically all cells have aged into level where they can't operate properly.
When used right, a pack can withstand a lots of miles especially if they are driven over short period of time. If the car is closing 20 year age, it becomes more important what have been average charge level or temperature during the storage.
Batteries like to be in 50% charge level and stored in a cool place. Hot is generally bad since it accelerates unwanted chemical reactions.
Nah, think realistically. They'll just be selling you a new car 10 years from now
This is the most informative and detailed video on arguably biggest issues Tesla, nevermind future EVs face. Thank you for making this video and good luck to your company.
If this video highlights one thing, there is almost no private EV servicing/engineering shops out there. Certainly a big opportunity to be a pioneer. Secondly also shows how quickly EV's will depreciate towards the end of the battery pack life. The lifespan of battery packs will probably set the depreciation rate.
and faster depreciation, means lower price new... means lower margins (and they're already selling the cars at major loss)
Good video. I believe Tesla battery packs will only become more difficult to repair in the newer models. Like Apple has done with its batteries, Tesla is moving toward tighter integration of the battery with the rest of the vehicle in order to improve range and reduce initial cost, with repairability sacrificed in the process. I foresee many of these packs ending up being shipped to third world countries where 12 year old boys will pick through them and harvest the recyclable materials. Not good.
I agree it depends on Tesla's management goals, how long a life expectancy the vehicle should have, versus the customer having to buy a new one. So yeah, greed will create disposable cars. Maybe the factory will offer a recycling program.
It depends what angle they want to play. I think their main goal is to reduce defective cells in the first place rather than needing a battery replacement. But I think if EVs are going to become sustainable, the only way is if the batteries are easily replaceable. Luckily Elon is a bit more in touch with the user than Apple CEOs so I think once EV’s start to really become common, this will happen
Am I the only one who when seeing the mega-castings and structural battery packs - thinking how will you be able to replace the battery pack if & when?
I'm not a big Tesla fan but sure found this video very watchable. Well done.
This is just one thing that has always had me asking questions about the future of electric cars that nobody seems to know the answer "oh don't worry about it" " It hasn't happened to me" well...its here and its real, thanks for getting the word out.
Yeah this was one of my initial reactions to the new tesla design, they now plan to integrate the pack into the damn frame! Talk about insane from a serviceability standpoint.
Very professional, knowledgeable and professional. One of the best and most worthwhile videos on RUclips. Gruber motor company has secured its future for 100 years. Gruber motors should become an official partner / official third party service and batter centre for Tesla motor. Like Mr Gruber says, Tesla must not end up with a global reputation that their cars are throw away , or their cars are defunct after 8-10 years.
Everyone else has said it but i want to say it again. This was extremely well done and put together, looks great, great transitions, great informations and hits just about any question i had about the batteries and their repairability. I was engaged the whole time, just very well done!
I’ve never subscribed to a channel after only one video.. till now. Waiting on my 2021 model 3 long range and this was the exact video I needed to remain confident while waiting. Thank you 🙏🏼
Watching this has instilled a greater faith in the future of electric vehicles. It is comforting to see the network of EV support unfolding. Look forward to seeing more.
Now more charging stations please.
the only limiting factor is cost for owning and repairing. you’re forgetting about the poverty problem in relationship to the expense of evs
Except Tesla is openly hostile to 'independent' shops. Ask the guy who runs the very popular Tesla repair site on RUclips about having his fast charging disabled for an 'unauthorized' repair. The EV future looks good, the Tesla EV future, not so much.
@@elmarko9051 how does it look good especially since you have to consider that most americans can’t afford to buy a car newer than 10-20 years old. I have yet to see a 10 year old EV with less issues than a 65 year old bell air that has no engine. you have decades before we have EVs replacing Gas for passenger cars and I doubt it against trucks especially off road and hunting rig trucks and semis will never go EV because you still have Peterbilt’s made in the 70’s with a million miles on them, Name a EV that has even done a quarter of that and still has 95% battery health
The Paul Harrel of Cars. The best way to summarize this new prevailing approach to demonstration and educational material.
Amazing video, I can't wait to see more content in the same format. I am amazed at how engaging and informative the video was, you always keep it on point and moving through topics fast in order to keep audience engaged. No weird transitions or cheesy comments and intros. I really loved this video and I am excited to see more. Keep up the great work and you will see your channel grow to millions of subscribers! You just added one new subscriber :D
At last a proper technical and extremely well presented commentary about electric vehicles. Thank you.
I remember Elon saying it should have been only 8k to replace battery
For him 😀
Yeah, he gets that employee discount I'm betting. ... never mind inflation from then.
@@thechappist Tesla offers no discounts to employees or executives on cars, only options on stock.
He said model 3 replacement battery will cost that much. The replacement costs about 16000 and over 6000 is work. In future models with integrated battery pack, it is propably even more difficult to replace the pack.
We must hope they get 4680 cell quality right on start or it may cause problems for Tesla. Unfortunately good servive and cheap spare parts haven't been on Tesla's main focus so far.
@@TwoTall1988 That was mode S and since then they canceled plans from battery swap. Model 3 is completely new design and battery replacement needs lots of work.
If you ask from me, all service jobs are highly over priced. That's the reality anyway.
I was a cab driver in Australia for many years.
My experience was with Camry and Prius.
I figured out that, as a private person, I would never purchase a hybrid.
This is simply because, as a private person, you are completely at the mercy of the dealers.
And dealers being dealers, they will rip you off for all that they can get out of your wallet.
Imagine; Friday night 6 pm, your vehicle says ‘check hybrid system’, you may have to take the vehicle home and wait til morning to get it to a dealer.
Dealer takes it out of your sight and you don’t know what they are doing.
It may have been caused by a ‘momentary batt voltage drop’ (which caused the fault indication).
This is 10 minutes to ‘reset’ the fault with a hand held meter (used by the dealers ‘technician’),
They bring the vehicle back to you, blah blah, that will be $200 sir.
Trust me, buy a ‘normal’ petrol or diesel vehicle that any mechanic can work on, even when you are out in the boonies or back of beyond.
You will give yourself a peace of mind that will never be achieved with an electric vehicle.
Trust me, I have seen the bullshit of overcharging and you can’t prove that you were charged more than it was worth.
6:21 - "The Roadster was originally a niche market. There are only 2400 of them around the planet"
CORRECTION ! There are about 2399 on the planet and 1 around the planet :D
True^^
Correction: The one is not around the planet, it is heading towards Mars right now. It is actually not in orbit around Earth.
@@redbaron6805 Correction : the Roadster is in a heliocentric orbit that crosses the orbit of Mars and reaches a distance of 1.66 au from the Sun. With an inclination of roughly 1 degree to the ecliptic plane, compared to Mars' 1.85° inclination, this trajectory by design cannot intercept Mars, so the car will neither fly by Mars nor enter an orbit around Mars.
It eventually comes back close to Earth's orbit.
Overall the Roadster's orbit is around the orbit of the Earth, therefore it is around Earth.
@@gazorbo. Typically, we don't refer to objects being in orbit around earth when they have a large orbit which spans Mars and other planets.
@@redbaron6805 I never said "in orbit around Earth", I just said "1 around the planet" which is completely correct.
Interesting information. I prefer infernal combustion engines. 22k for a battery is almost as much as I paid for my truck, at the time it was 2 years old with 30k miles. That is insane. Even 5 grand to rework a battery pack is out of the affordability range for a lot of people. It is like pulling teeth to get people to put rotors on their car when they are getting brakes done as it is. People treat cars like appliances, that is part of the reason why leasing has become so popular and continues to gain popularity.
Great video. My only disagreement is with the assertion there are fewer parts. There are not. There are probably hundreds of thousands of more parts. The issue is that they are entoumbed in extremely expensive modules that are under Tesla's lock and key.
Wow a new generation of service centers geared up for the cars of tomorrow. I hope that Gruber and others on the forefront continue to grow and become more successful in years to come! It won't be just cars. Soon it'll be home battery packs or maybe even regional mega packs.
watch & learn gentlemen... this is what the mechanic shop of the future looks like.
The guy literally said these cars are unfinished and not designed well. What are you talking about
My 2006 Prius threw the traction battery code. I took out the pack, used a free harbor freight volt ohm meter. I located one cell not up to snuff ( one) replaced it. That was four months ago, everything is fine getting 46-48 mpg. . Getting the battery out of the vehicle was ten times the work of replacing the bad cell. One good idea would be to make the batteries readily accessible.
Batteries are very contained to resist in case of an accident thats why its difficult to remove them
2014 Model S P85+ here in Dublin, Ireland. HV battery failed 2 weeks ago with 106,000 km on the clock. Currently being replaced under warranty.
Thank god it is under warranty. 100k and a new battery?
Lucky ~
Yes thank God!
Also new 12v battery replaced as part of the warranty.
Great video! Electric cars may end up like light bulbs did in the 1920's, where the money put in to R & D for making them last longer simply meant you were going to sell less light bulbs.
The audio on this channel is amazing!
Wow! Clear, calm, factual. What a refreshing change.
Awesome info. $5000 vs $20K
How long do you expect a $5k repair to last vs a $20K new pack? If the cells start wearing out, might as well replace the whole pack, the labor to take it our, fix a few cells and put it back is probably 80% of the cost. Once you hit the back end of the the 'bathtub curve' , it's over for that whole pack.
@@TD_YT066 I expect that refurb to last maybe 2-3 years and 20,000-30,000km before it needs to be done again and the same again before full replacement. At that point the customer would be paying the price of a new compact car to keep their 15 year old tired worn out car running.
I don't have a Tesla but can still appreciate all your research! Really makes me reconsider my stance on buying a Tesla
Fascinating, logical, and clear.
Only two words: Confidence & Smart!
I have a 2018 Model 3 Performance. I plan to keep it until I die and in the family after. I will reach out, if/when I need to replace/update the battery.
Same here. I just got mine last July and I plan on passing it to my son who was born a few months ago.
@X Y usually the cars are pretty compacts after a couple years, when they melt on the roadside.
No idea why this doesn't have millions of views
I’m in awe with your video quality and professionalism!
One of the best videos I have seen on RUclips. Your delivery is perfect and the production is very good.
Mechanics of the future ... now . Well done .
Also, best video I've seen, no bs, great, straight to the point.
Very interesting, and thanks. My low mileage UK Roadster has never had a PEM clean, but has been serviced by Tesla a few times, so hopefully they at least clean out all the forced air system. Roll on having a facility like yours in the UK or the EU.
This is a list of Annual Roadster services we perform. We have updated the Tesla Service Centers with this recommended list as well.
grubermotors.com/services/roadster-annual-maintenance-service/
I am a fan of the work you all do there, a fantastic service option for customers.
Great video 👏👏👏 thanks for sharing your wealth of experience 🙏🙏👌
Well done, sir. And good luck on getting that partnership to repair battery packs!
Tesla is slowly coming around. The synergies are palpable and undeniable.
@@grubermotorcompany I’m going to use “synergies are palpable and undeniable” in tomorrow’s team meeting.
We love our Model Y and will buy another Tesla, for the husband (me), soon. Thanks for posting. Hope I don't need you but glad you're there if we do 👍
I wish they would do another production run of the Tesla Lotus, would love that little thing.
Rumor has it there is a Roadster II in the works, so you may get your wish. Timetable TBD of course.
@@joedilellio3627 do you mean the upcoming supercar version with the spacex thrusters and electro magnetic windshield washers?
Cause I was thinking something with like a 5 digit price tag.
@@maxnovakovics2568 The next gen Roadster will have no Lotus in the DNA anywhere. Lotus actually has their own EV supercar coming out - Evija, at over $2M compared to the 250K new Roadster which is a 100% Tesla creation.
@@maxnovakovics2568 the "thrusters" are going to be illegal on roads
Am I the only one finding this video addressed for Tesla’s executives?
Smells like the invitation to cooperate on a maintenance chain :)
Great video btw!
I can spend $5,000 to have my battery repaired, or I can just buy a used 2008 V6 Camry for $6,000 and drive it for another 10 years.
Why would anyone want a battery car? I look at the complexity and feel sick. If it goes wrong your at their mercy, you can't beat a carburettor and points ignition for simplicity.
@@anthonyprice5596 i think its really just something else, not complicated if you learn, that 2008 camry dont use carburettors and points either and heavily rely on computers and sensors too, in which Companys like Renault i like is holding their computer communicators to them self with rediculous prices for the ordinary fixer.
@@anthonyprice5596 I personnally wont risk getting locking in a burning battery fire. I still feel like I have a place in this world.
Some are dumb and unsuspecting, others just want to die, so they drive a Tesla.
Dude! That was fascinating! Great video and I look forward to more! My only suggest is for your editor to equalise the volume of your voice and the outro music, *ouch* that was loud after needing to turn you up. Keep up the great work though! X
That was simply an outstanding presentation.
Very solid presentation on Tesla components and on Gruber technical expertise. A ➕ score.
Great job on this one! (And very relevant to me since I have a 2012 Model S.)
Hi, so do I. Doing ok?
@@thefisherking78 Yep, still working great.
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Hi Stephen, how many drive units have you gone through since it was new, and is it a performance model w/ the large rear drive unit?
@@eastmanresearch3143 Standard motor. I had it replaced once under warranty (it worked fine, but made more noise than I wanted). It is only the size of a watermelon and only took about 3 hours to swap.
I wish this dude would narrate every instructional video in existence
Wow, every word was precise! Excellent presentation
this guys are great, i bought a windshield went to pick it up from san diego/tj to phoenix and they were super nice even showed me all their cars and facility. recommended.
Thank you for the kind words and business!
This guy is Scotty Kilmer’s EV alter ego
I can't really say or add anything that hasn't already been said very well spoken very well directed and absolutely 100% correct and to the point very very well done thank you
❤️ “In a vehicle like this the entire family can come along including the household pet and still smoke a Lamborghini at the light” ❤️
well the tesla beats the lamborghini, but the tesla has more power than a lamborghini and nothing special, when the tesla will do 200mph with 300hp then it will be something innovative, adding power unnecessarily makes no sense
@@theojuan834 i only really need fast accel to around 80mph for daily life so thats what i get ^^
@@tomh1727 this is true the normal driver most of the time don't use all power of the cars 😅😅 everywhere are speed limits..
Aye, but Lamborghini owners are mostly stock traders, drug dealers, Saudis, sons of dictators or people whose hip hop track hit the charts, and those people find more satisfaction in the effects of engaging launch control at the zebras, preferably with an elderly lady on, than from the actual acceleration. So essentially, your comment is pointless. I've heard, the latest Maclaren has a button to lock the front wheels while spinning the rear wheels to smoke to optimise the effectiveness of launch control, so there you go, top that...
beating a Lambo is one of the main points of the family car :D sure...
and on the track/ twisty road lighter aero car roasts any EV
This man is a great speaker. I immediately subscribed
Great video!
The host is an excellent speaker and easy to follow.
This is well done, but you should mention: "daisy chain failures", are like your Christmas lights, all in series. If one light goes out, the whole chain fails. The same thing happens with a lot of batteries in series. Not only is the offending battery hard to find, its also very difficult/impossible to extract the battery that failed, since (on Tesla) it is essentially cemented in place.
The sun always shines on a player :)
You caught that too
Good on you guys for making sure these cars have a second life. If Tesla is not equipped to do battery restorations, hopefully they begin to do outsourcing and referrals to authorized third parties to fix and refurbish batteries, it could be a good cottage industry for a lot of the technicians who will be put out of work in the ICE vehicle sector. This expands beyond Tesla, as VW, Hyundai, GM, etc will also need to have businesses equipped to repair batteries.
Sheesh, hella good video, dude. Awesome!!
Thank you for this well produced and informative video. One of the best I've seen.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was hoping to hear about longevity from a rust, corrosion, and cold weather standpoint also.
Surely there is a huge reduction in performance in cold climates?
I live in a Cold Climate, CT. It's cold in the winter and they use salt on the roads mixed with sand. It will eat a car and well bridges too. That being said, I have only seen one of these cars where I live. Low production numbers mean there is not a whole lot of them around Gee's Ford sold 800000 F-150s last year. And Good luck if you want a Toyota Tundra. I have a more positive view of EV's than I did. They are a niche vehicle. For some people sure it's the way to go, for people like me that live in a very very rural area and that would be for a good chunk of the country, no it does not make any sense at all. You are going to have to be a near electrical and computer engineer to do the kind of service that is coming with them. What good is a car if in order to fix it you have to spend a day taking it apart another day or two to effect the repair and then another day putting it all back together? And you know that such skilled labor is going to be billed out at well over 100 dollars an hour. Gas-powered cars are not going to disappear, in your lifetime or in your great grand children's lifetime. Then there is the issue of the dirty toxic lithium mining, electricity to run the vehicles, and everything else. Not exactly pollution-free, but that is another subject and argument.
The depth and detail was amazing. Almost like a science class!