The Bizarre Tale of the Spontaneously Exploding Submarines
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2024
- Dive deep into naval history with the volatile story of peroxide submarines! From the perilous days of WWII to their daring trials, discover the turbulent tale of underwater innovation.
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This submarine/train contraption sounds ridiculous!
75% safe is ok when it doesn't involve me flying or being hundreds of feet under the water.
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For the record, Peroxide Blonds were pretty explosive too.
Depends on lunch
In the 90s I worked with a man in Scotland that served on a UK experimental submarine by peroxide, he told that the scientists on board used movie cameras to record the engine performance dials as the moved all over the place and were hard to to monitor.
Ask the Russians how peroxide fueled torpedos worked out.
Sorry - nobody from the Kursk is answering.
I have to blame the loss of Kursk on "Russians", not "hydrogen peroxide". Those torpedoes were very old when placed aboard the Kursk; Russian sailors were scared to death of them, with good reason, and those torpedoes had been 'retired' decades before. But Russia never throws anything away, and somebody (no doubt seeking promotion) decided to try them again, in a big naval exercise the Soviets were about to start. They were "practice torpedoes" so they didn't get any special maintenance or thorough goings-over, they just filled the peroxide tanks and put them aboard Kursk. Thus it was, there was rust inside the torpedoes that nobody thought to look for or remove - and rust is one of peroxide's catalysts. There were further really stupid mistakes made; the Wikipedia article on the loss of Kursk is an eye-opener.
Is that the Widow maker sub?
@@jrmckim No. Kursk admittedly, made many widows 😥 - but Kursk was K-141, an Oscar II class SSGN ( - "SS" = "submarine", "Guided" = it was built to shoot explosive guided missiles at ships, and "Nuclear" - ). The actual 'widowmaker', known to Russian sailors as "Hiroshima", was K-19, the first Hotel-class SSBN ( - only difference being the "B", meaning "Ballistic" = built to shoot thermonuclear ballistic missiles at enemy cities - ). K-19 had no official name BTW, as the Soviets didn't name their submarines back then, and was built a long time ago - it was commissioned in 1960, had so many problems that it wasn't used much, and was scrapped in 1991. K-141 "Kursk" was commissioned in 1994, was one of the last-built and most modern Oscar-II's, and after a horrific accident that blew off its nose and sank it, it was raised off the sea floor, towed back to Murmansk and broken up for scrap. Several Oscar-II class SSGN's are still in service with the Russian navy, but the Hotel's are all long-gone - and very, very happily, neither the Hotels nor the Oscar-II's (nor almost any other submarine in the world) ever fired a shot in anger. 😄
@@jrmckim No, that was K19, Russia's first nuclear sub back in the 60's, it had constant fires and radiation leaks so nobody wanted to serve on it.
Damn. 9 years on subs myself, I have never heard of these. Wild
Because being a submariner wasn't already scary enough...They had to make it so it could randomly explode
Fr😂
Wasn’t this like the fuel used by Russki torpedos?
@dennisyoung4631 Quite a few nations used peroxide in their torpedos.But the russians were the ones who really embraced it to a large degree.
One of these cooking off in the forward torpedo compartment is what killed the kursk back in the 2000s
@@Shinzon23 thanks. I wasn’t entirely sure I recalled things correctly.
@@dennisyoung4631the British tried it first, had similar results and swiftly retired them. The Russians embraced them, in typical contrary Russian style - deny a potential major issue until a somewhat expensive vessel and crew were lost.
High test peroxide, makes a great mixer for scotch - if your goal is to make it to orbit quickly... If so, mix well, pour onto brass and enjoy the light and sound show.
Were they using a Logitech controller as well?
An early MadCatz prototype. At least according to several hand scrawled notes recovered from long decayed, acid eaten, journals.
Laughing at the Titan for using Logitech controllers when the 4.3 billion dollar Virginia-class submarines use Xbox controllers...
@@krashdFor the Periscopes...not the maneuvering controls.
@@krashdyea.... no.
Lmao @@Mazorzarch
The U-boat's main weakness was Doenitz's insistance of constant radio communication combined with a trust in their codes.
Isn't that also why the Bismarck was sunk? The Royal Navy was in chase but had lost them, then Bismarck sent a lengthy radio message so the British fleet could triangulate the signal and sunk the ship.
@@urkraft3858 Yep. That was how the Royal Navy located the Bismarck, but that does not answer where the Bismarck was going then. IIRC, the Royal Navy originally calculated that the Bismarck was returning to Norway but they quickly realized that she was going to Brest.
@@FinnishDragon Brest is best.
The third weakness was that the wireless units were not yet able to be directional enough. Because of this, UK/US listening posts were able to intercept and decipher messages constantly.
Doenitz was keen to newer technologies, but grew up in the WW1 era navy and was slow to implement changes. The type 17 took resources and time away from the type 21 or just being so late on modifying the type 9's with snorkels.
East Germany actually once had an HTP powered car, a Turbine driven Wartburg 353. Its in a museum today, only one was ever built
Can't find ANYTHING about it online?
But "HMS Exploder" is one of the most awesome vessel names, so it was all worth it.
Well written and informative. Thanks for posting. Liked and shared.
I love it when the algorithm gets it right. Of course I want to hear about exploding submarines.
My father was a fire control officer on a tin can in the North Atlantic. He told some wild tales of horrendous weather and, of course, U-Boats and depth charges.
ASW was my warfare speciality and logged over 4000 hours in P-3s. Acoustically, a diesel sub on battery is just an acoustic hole in the water. I’d rather go against a nuc.
AW 1986-2012. Monitored the Kursk message traffic. Only squadron with hot contact on the Mike....the Komsomolets. Was on a cold pattern looking for him, returned from debrief, only to learn from CNN on AFRTS that he went down.
The scary modern thing: the latest nuclear submarines are just as quiet as diesel-electric subs running on battery power. Reasons: quieter drive systems, better insulation of coolant pumps for nuclear reactors and even quieter propulsion blades, thanks to a shield around the propellers. I believe the USS _Virginia_ class subs have these features.
@@Sacto1654 They still produce a lot of heat.
@@jaapaap123 Ocean is superb heatsink.
@@tuunaes yes, but it's not about practical matters, but about detection.
Interestingly, the Type XXI electroboat was a follow-on to the peroxide-powered Type XVII u-boat. The kriegsmarine set-out to make a full-sized ocean-going u-boat based-on the Type XVII, the Type XVIII; this boat would've been a wonder-weapon, capable of cruising at 25 kts underwater; but even with the lower half of the hull being one giant peroxide tank the Type XVIII had disappointing range; plus, the hydrogen peroxide was as you mention, hellish stuff, and so difficult to make that supplying enough of it to feed a whole class of u-boats was not realistically feasible. So the designers of the Type XVIII were moping at the bar one day, disappointed at their dream u-boat design being a non-starter, and one of them said (in German, I imagine) "Hey - I've got an idea! That big peroxide tank that takes-up the whole bottom of the Type XVIII? Why don't we fill that tank with batteries and equip the Type XVIII with diesels and big electric motors instead of Walter turbines?" Thus the Type XXI was conceived - and virtually every postwar diesel-electric submarine owes a great deal to the Type XXI.
If you find yourself in Bremerhaven, I heartily recommend a visit to the Wilhelm Bauer; one of its advanced features was the fitting of small (relatively-speaking) creep motors for silent running; these motors turned the main propeller shafts slowly, via rubber v-belts; hence, they were virtually silent.
Thank you for another awesome video 🎉
Finally, for 50 years I have wondered about the details of the hydrogen peroxide submarine and why it went nowhere. Thank you Simon and the excellent team that supports you.
This didn't even mention its "best" features:
Peroxide molecule is quite unstable and can decompose spontaneously releasing heat, which increases chance/rate of further decomposing.
So if tank can't dissipate heat forming inside it, result is thermal runaway and whole content going up in whoosh or bang with superheated steam and oxygen spread all over the place.
And many things can start/catalyze that decomposing.
Most transition metals and their compounds do it, lots of organic compounds (splash of peroxide on wool would turn it to flaming torch) ordinary dirt in its various compositions and universal availability. Any randomly named substance has 50-50 (or better) chance to catalyze the reaction.
John D. Clarke's book Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants has whole chapter from the joys of it.
Google for book's name +pdf and you'll find it.
'boot' ? - as in shoe?
I think you'll find that the German 'boot' for 'boat' is actually pronounced closer to 'boat' than the way and Englishman would pronounce 'boot' meaning a a shoe with a partial shin covering.
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@@captainblacktooth371 Nah I just don't want a world with BP in it, everyone else is fine.
@@4-Methylaminorex uh you mean British Petroleum? Yeah bp really did a number of the gulf of Mexico.
@@4-Methylaminorex and yeah I know what you really meant by BP. Just thought I'd fk with you since you're too scared to use the actual words.
No race is superior to another. All innocent people deserve to live.
It's closer to 'bort'.
In Stephenson's Cryptonomicon they have one of these peroxide submarines.
HMS Exploder (Explorer)😉
Blond bomb-shell takes on a different meaning.
Don't forget the HMS Excaliboom.(Excalibur)
@@loribroadbent8573 That was HMS Excrutiator
Two boats that brought their own depth charges, potentially saving the enemy the trouble.
Fun Fact: Post WW2 3 unfinished Type 21 pressure hulls were converted into beverage tanks for a german beverage company (Rossmann, Frankfurt am Main) and remain in use today.
I read somewhere that some Scandinavian countries were in the 1980's experimenting with Diesel powered submarines that had a huge, super-insulated tank of liquid oxygen on board. They could run the Diesel while submerged. Not as good as quiet as a nuke boat, but still useful under some circumstances.
Peroxide is no joke. Incredibly corrosive and reactive. The crew of the Krusk found that out. RIP fellas
Actually it wouldn't do instant serious damage to skin... There are far more reactive things.
Like how about substance igniting already oxidized things like sand? Or really anything, including asbestos, bricks and concrete?
Just read John D. Clarke's book Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants for whole lots of fun.
Google for book's name +pdf and you'll find it.
Hydrogen Peroxide was used in some early rocketry experimentation too. It didn't work out well there either.
They did end up using it to power the turbopumps on the X-15.
John D. Clarke's book Ignition! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants has whole chapter from the joys of it.
Google for book's name +pdf and you'll find it.
In short molecule is unstable and there's exothermic self decomposing going on at some rate.
And if you can't keep tank holding peroxide cool, you'll have thermal runaway and whole content going up in big whoosh or bang.
Nice and informative vid!
Why only fuel a tiny flying metal box with extremely corrosive liquid if you can fuel a giant diving metal box with it as well?
I know it was war and all but making people get into a machine like that is pretty evil, the plane i get it, it was desperate and it worked, but the submarines wtf.
A really interesting video!
I had heard of Germany's "Elektroboots" but I hadn't heard of these submarines until now.
Neal Stephenson wrote of such a sub in his book Cryptonomicon. I wasn't sure if it was a fictitious invention.
Very Bizarre Submarines, Cheers from oversees the United States
Overseas* oversees is a very different word
@@cleverusername9369Overseers (verb- they oversee) could also kinda apply, though, given the post war German scientists that went to the US/UK/USSR...
@@cleverusername9369 You know some people's phones will "autocorrect" without* people noticing. I have Grammarly on my phone and it tries to "correct" correct words. 😅
* my phone just did it here. I wrote "without" but my phone decided it should be "with" 😑
@@jrmckim Yeah, that's the first thing I turn off when I get a new phone.
good content always
"Boot" in German is pronounced just like "boat", not like the shoe. 🤦♂️
HTP, what turned the Russian Kursk into a permanent submersible
Actually the Kursk was refloated & moved to a dry dock. The remains of the forward torpedo room was cut off.
What were the electrical stats of the drive motor & batteries?
ie: volts, amps, watt-hours, etc...
I got a drop of 30% hydrogen peroxide on my fingernail once. I thought it was water. I didn’t think much about it. About 20 minutes later my finger hurt. My fingernail had turned white and fell off.
The burning question. How do you get a droplet on you in any circumstance that you might think it was water?!?!
Free submersible cookies!
14,601 tons...i don't know but i'm going to guess that means they sunk one ship?
Maybe more like 2 or 3 small ones? They mostly sunk merchant ships as far as I know
Sometime in the mid 1950s, there was a Hydrogen Peroxide explosion in Newport, R.I. at the navy’s NUOS (Naval Underwater Ordinance Station) that killed two of my father’s coworkers who were working on a torpedo. I was around 5 to 8 years old but remember it well. The Hydrogen Peroxide powered torpedo was eventually scrapped.
Good story. You spoke lots of words. 👍
Hint: double vowels ( aa, oo, ee) are pronounced like the name of the letter in German. So "Boot" is pronounced like "boat" not the footwear.
Should talk about U-480. The first stealth submarine.
Ah.....pre EV submarine
Sssshhhhhh, if Elon hears we'll end up with a T-boat (Teslaboot) ---- lol
I find it funny that the US was like nope to dangerous not interested and Britain I think you said was very interested in it.
VERY interesting! I wondered about the use of hydrogen peroxide for AIP purposes. Given current AIP systems, it would be interesting to know how they solved the problem. I'm sure it's too classified for casual interests.
And I thought human spontaneous combustion is uncanny, I never thought there would be another in the form of submarines
Wow 😮
You my friend are amazing. I could listen to you all day.
I do, tap in to the Whistlerverse via podcasts while driving, superb
they should have replaced the ships inner atmosphere with an inert gas and have the crew wear breathers - that would probably help make it less volatile
Also, the aesthetic.
didnt know a peroxide torpedo took out the Kursk.
The torpedo was also a dummy training torpedo, it didn’t have a explosive warhead, and part of the reason why it exploded.
The welds weren’t to a higher grade because it was a dummy torpedo, and the manufacturer didn’t know the danger of peroxide, and that these torpedo needed to be made to a higher standards as a normal torpedo
So many "electric boots" I now have Benny and the Jets from Elton John stuck in my head.
Keep trying to replace it with memories of Das Boot, but no that not great song is still in my damn head
Buh buh buh BENNEH!! BENNEH!!! BENNEH AND THE JEHHHHHHHTS!!🎶
The torpedo that sank the Kursk was also a dummy training torpedo, it didn’t have an explosive warhead, and part of the reason why it exploded.
The welds weren’t to a higher standards because it was a dummy torpedo, and the manufacturer didn’t know that peroxide was being used and just pumped out torpedoes shell housing l, so neglected the manufacturing quality standard.
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Excellent video.
Adding in the bit about the Kursk at the end was very interesting.
Nice
I have to wonder why Russia thought this was a good way to propel torpedoes after knowing the risks.
Is it just me or does Eugene B. Wilkinson look like Fred Armisen?
HEY, WHAT THE HELL, I'm eatin here!
Render it down!
The schnorqul?
Note to self;
1) Never join the Navy.
2) DO NOT EVER NEVER GO INSIDE A SUBMARINE!
Damn, that guy's forehead just keeps going up! 1:11
Bahhaaahahahaa kinda thought it was a gag and would just keep going 😂
I love pointing out to people who are putting Hydrogen peroxide on their cuts...that it's torpedo fuel :)
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1943: Let's make a submarine that can dissolve it's crew. 1944: Let's make a rocket plane that can dissolve it's crew. Talk about not learning.
I was kinda thinkin of that film Fear&Loathing when he threw that orange at dr gonzo
"Don't stop here, this is bat country!"
"I don't want to kill you, I just want to carve a little Z in your forehead!"
"Look over there, two polar bears fucking!"
One of the funniest and most quotable movies ever.
There was no "Allied navy", only the navies of the various allies.
HTP torpedoes were phased out due Kursk incident in the Russian Navy. I thought it was the last one to use those.
From the thumbnail for this video, I read "dissolving the crew alive" and I was like, nope, I'm not watching that. See you guys in the next video.
Surprise!! It didn't actually happen, as so many people are crying about in the comments. "WHY WOULD SIMON LIE TO US?!? WHY??! 😭🥺😥" 😂😂😂 Relax my dudes it's nbd
I want to see the surviving electric u boat converted to lithium batteries and compared to the old version
The first manned spacecraft also used hydrogen peroxide to power its turbopumps.
Germans know how to build good boats .
How did it affect the wales?
Is that Herbert Lom with the binoculars at 9:30?
Wow your speech speed was fast.
A history of submarines would have been a more appropriate title for this video.
Four person crew, blonde and tear shaped. It's the Beatles yellow submarine
Yeah…the famous admiral Dónitz….and his shhnorkel…😂
All the best to everyone
BTW the "schnorkel" was an old idea by then - the Germans stole it from the Dutch.
4:23
Wow, I'll think about this technology next time I'm bleaching my hair (not with HTP).
Strange to pronounce the word "boat" as in German, but nothing else - e.g. Doenitz 😉
Germans don't even pronounce it like that, it's more like 'bort', definitely not like the footwear 'boot'.
Admiral Doe-nitz, not Donitz!
Thumbnail is misleading
Dang 7 minutes late
So glad they found a safer alternative. Just wish Russia would have paid closer attention to the missiles before the K
Someone should find out how to pronounce the German "boot" or translate it as "boat" - seeing it has nothing to do with foortwear..
How do you translate foortwear 😂
On the plus side, the peroxide subs were bacteria and virus free.
I would have called one HMS Oxygenthief
"The Sschnokell" 😊 My girlfriend can't understand Simon. 😅 Meanwhile I love the accent dude. ❤
Volatile, temperamental and difficult to control. Sounds like you're describing my exwife.
@todayifoundout do the origin of the phrase "blood is thicker than water"
I was going to rewatch the Kursk ITS video after this, but I find it's disappeared from RUclips? There are like half a dozen into the shadows videos that just don't exist anymore, the betel nut video, chernobyl liquidators, kursk. WTF? Any explanation from the channel would be nice...
Admiral 'Durr-Nits'........Not 'Donn-itzz'..😉😂 Great video as always though!
Peroxide was also the culprit of something like Kirsk.
It’s Kursk, not Kirks
The Russians developed peroxide torpedos that were extremely dangerous. A failure of one may have sunk the Kursk.
Does simon own this channel? Or still under contract
Actually, In the Kursk incident, Only a portion of the crew was killed... The rest were ruthlessly left to die, to hide this soviet secret failure.
They are all still just as dead no matter the case. And the explosion was the root cause.
@@chrisb7198 Survivors could have been saved, But we're left to die so they didn't talk about how communist made products, made by people who have no incentive to do better, and do a "Ho- Hum" job, created inferior products!
That would undermine the premise of their whole 🐂💩.
Now we have a flirtation with the volatile power of lithium batteries!
Torpedoes were developed pre WW1, not WW2 as stated here (timestamp 11:34 )
Okay, never-mind; I don't want a submarine.
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The flickering effect you put in the videos is making me nauseous and giving me headaches