I can see the next step in this idea: cut the while into quarters. then, contemplate at what point a vehicle where the wheels are divided like this transitions from being a wheeled vehicle to being a walker
If you put the half wheels side by side instead of in front of each other, the off road bump issue should be a lot better. Plus you could keep them in sync much easier
you can link the half wheels mechanically with a bar like steam train wheels. You just have to connect from the half radius of one wheel to a bar extending to the same point vertically from the other wheel. That way you're not limited to controller speed.
I think the reason the petrol engine did well is because when a half wheel lost contact with the ground it whipped around really quickly until it was touching the ground again. So the only time there would be a dip is when both half wheel were perfectly aligned.
I think it would be interesting to have a half-wheel challenge on the Monday series, where only half-wheels are allowed, in whatever combination the participants choose. Might prove entertaining.
I think the leading vs trailing wheel difference is what's making the bumps so bad. On the real bike it accounts for bumps by having a whole wheel in front, and the half wheels being chain driven. I think a reverse trike would be better suited to show the full effects of this thing
I learned that Scrapman doesn't know that tricycles, and trikes (3-wheelers) in general, are meant to be driven in the opposite direction from the one crapman drove them. Two wheels in front, one in the back. That's how you prevent tipping when you have forward speed, since you're going to move much slower backwards anyway, in a normal vehicle.
Great video! Multiplayer Monday idea! (unless you did it already): An obstacle boat race in which you are first person in a box that you can't see out of so you cannot use sight to guide you but you can use logic gate screens etc. Or even automate the creation! The race has to be cluttered so automated creations don't win too easy.
What if to make it faster you connected two bearings in series with a pipe in between? This would definitely make the creation wider and a bit more complex but it would double the max speed without sacrificing the synchronization, correct? Might be worth a try in the future (unless something like this has been tried before and scrap mechanic physics doesn't deal with it well).
this seems similar in concept to the field of "solids of constant width", though I'm not sure the wonky physics and blocky nature of scrap mechanic would really let something built with that in mind work any better than this 😅
I saw the bicycle multiple times on facebook. The thing is, that it might roll smooth on straights and gradule turns. But on tight turns, the changing distance between the ground touching points will make it behave wobbly.
Awesome ideas coming out. Great work Scrapman! I think if each half wheel also had independent suspension, on top of your current setup, that might help with off road driving...just like any vehicle?
Just incase it isnt known, you can double up bearings to double quadruple etc the speed. bearing > pipe > bearing > wheel = 2x speed with controllers while still keeping sync.
He knew, he just didn't want to have to rebuild the entire frame just to increase the speed. The current frame didn't have the width to fit the extra bearing. Not only that, but I think the point is proof of concept. So max speed is a non-factor when trying to prove that he personally "can" make it work in-game. In other words, he wasn't looking for bonus points. He's fine with just passing with a C+ grade if it means not having to rebuild. xP
@@BeefIngot it looks only 3 wide. you would need 5 wide to double joint. Its a simple process, agreed, but it would probably require reconnecting all the connections due to the frame getting detached during the extending period. This can also mess up esthetics on the handle bars where he might want to widen them to match the width of the half wheel frame. Again, all simple stuff, but since it adds nothing (where speed is a non-factor), it arguably wouldn’t be worth what little/minimal trouble it would be. Stability however is seems to be more than a non-factor as it seems to determine functionality. This could be why he took the time to edit the steering angles. I just wish i understood why he didn’t smooth out the wheel with wedges for better stability. Its an even simpler and quicker process and theoretically could improve stability/functionality. My guess is bare minimum is good enough? Proof of concept mentality?
Should of made a threewheeler with the half wheel be at the back rather than the front because you won't have much of a problem with turning because there's more surface that's being covered. Love the creation none the less.
You should have added two full wheels to make the comparison more fair, even if the original had half wheels adding one full wheel isn't really fair, because maybe if you added two full wheels the effect might be close to the two half wheels on bumpy terrain.
I think the wheels were not technically half and half, since they were created by removing the middle row of blocks. So the centre of the half wheel is offset and the wheels have a two gaps in their rotation where it can bump into the terrain, that's why the kick up happens every now and then.
honestly I wanna see this taking to 100 and this implemented on different vehicles for example: trains, tanks, race cars, unicycles, etc. then implemented into a relay race xD. I think it'd be absolutely hilarious.
That controller powered wheel hast me thinking off a challenge for MP Monday: Every wheel powered by a different source. so could for example just have a Gas Engine, Electric Engine, Controller and friction powered wheel... though could also go with things like pistons or jets for powering some wheels. A lot of the challenge would come from balancing the wheels to spin similarly enough to not throw you off the track, so I doubt mixing electric and gas engine would go very well with how different they behave. 🤔
4:00 try to slap suspension on each bar, for me it works 100% for steering type like that ;) Only way that you can make 2 halves of the wheel work on bumpy terrain is to put both halves on the same shaft next to each other, even then you will feel some bumps on uneven terrain :D
I’ve watching the old videos and I really want you to revisit Terratech because there have so many update and it was really fun to watch you play it back then
Ability to freely pivot front "wheel" would make it work better. Because it's rigid only one half touches the ground on uneven terrain. But if it could pivot it both halves would touch the ground
Video idea: try to make the military camera drone from transformers. Its a normal drone with the body that looks like a mosquito... But it's propeller blades are sideways facing the front. This looks kind of like a normal plane propeller would but it's in the middle. The challenge of that video is to get it to hover in place. If you decide to do the video in the future then thanks! :)
I do think there will be a performance difference between a leading wheel versus trailing wheels. Also a difference between drive wheels versus free spinning wheels. There might be a sweet spot where even on uneven terrain the half wheel set up works well. Very cool video though.
@@Crazyclay78YT well, yeah, I guess I meant more free spinning IRL vs drive wheel IRL. In game it would definitely have to be the drive wheel with the controller, I suppose lol .... you are right on that. But leading vs trailing is definitely something to try. The leading wheel hitting a bump will cause the vehicle to jump. Lead wheels moving over it easily will drag the split trailing wheel, I would think, thus not causing as much jitteriness.
alternate idea for the offroad version would be to have the wheels be next to each other, instead of front and back while still on controller. this will fix the issue of the front wheel being too high when the terrain goes up, causing the bounce.
You could also use an engine to power them if you connected them with a parallel bar linkage, but that would require you changing how you do the steering.
As a non-scrap-mechanic-player (i learn scrap mechanic knowledge without playing it cuz the price converted to my currency is expensive), i learnt controllers have slow speed but they have the highest torque and don’t use any sort of fuel
i know the result would have still favored the full wheel (obviously), but you did give your full wheel variant the advantage of shortening it by placing the wheel in the back spot, instead of the front, because i think if it was front it would have resulted in a similar beaching like at ~12:48
Wait a minute! I think what is happening with the wheels where they sync up is this thing called "spontaneous synchronization" where basically the vibrations cancel eachother out and they become one rythm. Look up some videos on it. It's really cool!
I think what's happening there is that the fast gas engine can't lock the wheel halves together, but the wheel with less ground contact speeds up in the air to meet the state of the other half. It's not like metronomes on a table, slowly nudging each other.
he he, to be that dude, technically you don't have 2 halves. you have what amounts to a measurable loss surface area. 34/36 surface area (counting for the inner corners, but thought of by segments... 22/24). Always entertaining though. XD
I think you could have added wedges/ramps to the ends of the half wheels to make it smoother but that may stray from the original concept a bit too much
the two halves must be parallel to the ground. Perhaps there is some way of levering the two wheel (on a carriage of some sort) so they will stay parallel to toe ground.
potential idea to make the half wheels smoother over rougher terrain. have a flex/pivot point where they connect to the suspension and the rest of the vehicle. if the half wheels are allowed to follow the terrain better there wouldn't be those impact moments.
But....why?! Why that guy doesn't just have a normal cheaper 1 rear wheel or 2 complete wheels at this point, the half-wheels are gonna catch onto something for sure.
What if you use double bearings on the front wheels like tank steering but have the direction on all the bearings going the same way so you effectively double the output speed of the controller?
it's a pretty neat "neat thing" to build but I honestly wouldn't want to ride it: your turning radius is different whenever the front or back half-wheel is the one in contact, give it about 185 degrees on each "half" (to give you a hand-off zone so it's a lot less bumpy and a lot less energy loss from oversquishing the tire) and it'd work a treat for taking it on a ride in the park to make some kids laugh and parents shake their heads. edit: btw, making the pivot in the middle of the two-halves-is-a-wheel makes it a lot worse.
The wheels on the bike are NOT halves. Instead, they are a little bit over half to make sure the 2nd "half" overlaps and can take over the weight of the bike as it turns. Pretty logical if you think about it.
I can see the next step in this idea: cut the while into quarters. then, contemplate at what point a vehicle where the wheels are divided like this transitions from being a wheeled vehicle to being a walker
So a ped wheel?
If you put the half wheels side by side instead of in front of each other, the off road bump issue should be a lot better. Plus you could keep them in sync much easier
Lmao
Could you now build the Rutan Boomerang?? In trailmakers
This plane is very cool
you can link the half wheels mechanically with a bar like steam train wheels. You just have to connect from the half radius of one wheel to a bar extending to the same point vertically from the other wheel. That way you're not limited to controller speed.
I think the reason the petrol engine did well is because when a half wheel lost contact with the ground it whipped around really quickly until it was touching the ground again. So the only time there would be a dip is when both half wheel were perfectly aligned.
thats literally what he said
@@spacewalk3046 Did he? I must have missed it.
@@roccov3614 7:03 is about where he talked about it
@@Mobilegod2534 I see what you mean. I took what he said, to mean that the wheels go out of sync but he could have meant what I said.
Idea to name this: It has 4 wheels, but are the two halfes just one, so that it's only 3 together? Worry no more, the quatricycle can't decide either.
Yeag
Yes please!
I actually laughed at this comment lol
You can add wedges to the wheels to make it waayyy smoother!
It bothered me as well how he just completely ignored that >.
He forgot wedge gang :(
and to make it more professional
Well, the wedges would be in solid concave gaps, and therefore make 0 contact
Though yes wedge gang
I think it would be interesting to have a half-wheel challenge on the Monday series, where only half-wheels are allowed, in whatever combination the participants choose. Might prove entertaining.
Yes that sounds very fun, good thinking
Put 4 on each side. Offset each by 90°. From there, basic tank drive will behave like any other tank platform.
agreed
I think can syncronize in position the half wheels with a barrell, like on the train wheels
I love these videos, especially the historical ones too
I saw this I think 1 day ago
I didn't actually expect you to find this video and make it in a game, keep it up!
I love that at 9:57 the wheels hit the ground in sync with the music
Yeah it kinda makes the bike look happy
How did you find this lol
I think the leading vs trailing wheel difference is what's making the bumps so bad. On the real bike it accounts for bumps by having a whole wheel in front, and the half wheels being chain driven. I think a reverse trike would be better suited to show the full effects of this thing
you can see the suspention absorbing the block wheel effect really well with out suspension the fact that its not round would affect it a lot more
I learned that Scrapman doesn't know that tricycles, and trikes (3-wheelers) in general, are meant to be driven in the opposite direction from the one crapman drove them. Two wheels in front, one in the back. That's how you prevent tipping when you have forward speed, since you're going to move much slower backwards anyway, in a normal vehicle.
Great video! Multiplayer Monday idea! (unless you did it already): An obstacle boat race in which you are first person in a box that you can't see out of so you cannot use sight to guide you but you can use logic gate screens etc. Or even automate the creation! The race has to be cluttered so automated creations don't win too easy.
I really like how you make stuff like this in SM, I really relate to this creativity! (But you do it better then I do)
What if to make it faster you connected two bearings in series with a pipe in between? This would definitely make the creation wider and a bit more complex but it would double the max speed without sacrificing the synchronization, correct? Might be worth a try in the future (unless something like this has been tried before and scrap mechanic physics doesn't deal with it well).
When I was younger I alr had this idea before, I thought it was a crazy idea!
Years later, I'm witnessing my dream as a kid come to life
Great work scrapman! And thank you for reading my comment reminding you that you haven't made a vehicle in quite a long time. Keep it up!
I really like these videos ScrapMan. Actually, this type of videos might be my favorite!
this seems similar in concept to the field of "solids of constant width", though I'm not sure the wonky physics and blocky nature of scrap mechanic would really let something built with that in mind work any better than this 😅
Very entertaining video! Would love to see more physics based creations soon
I saw the bicycle multiple times on facebook. The thing is, that it might roll smooth on straights and gradule turns. But on tight turns, the changing distance between the ground touching points will make it behave wobbly.
Awesome ideas coming out. Great work Scrapman! I think if each half wheel also had independent suspension, on top of your current setup, that might help with off road driving...just like any vehicle?
lol all the dirt getting in his face when he drives
Haha wow! Way to stay current man! Great content as always!
Just incase it isnt known, you can double up bearings to double quadruple etc the speed. bearing > pipe > bearing > wheel = 2x speed with controllers while still keeping sync.
He knew, he just didn't want to have to rebuild the entire frame just to increase the speed. The current frame didn't have the width to fit the extra bearing. Not only that, but I think the point is proof of concept. So max speed is a non-factor when trying to prove that he personally "can" make it work in-game. In other words, he wasn't looking for bonus points. He's fine with just passing with a C+ grade if it means not having to rebuild. xP
Lag
@@Hadeks_Marow I'm aware of the C+ being a pass, It just looks like there is enough space to me/like it would take under a minute
@@BeefIngot it looks only 3 wide. you would need 5 wide to double joint. Its a simple process, agreed, but it would probably require reconnecting all the connections due to the frame getting detached during the extending period. This can also mess up esthetics on the handle bars where he might want to widen them to match the width of the half wheel frame.
Again, all simple stuff, but since it adds nothing (where speed is a non-factor), it arguably wouldn’t be worth what little/minimal trouble it would be.
Stability however is seems to be more than a non-factor as it seems to determine functionality. This could be why he took the time to edit the steering angles. I just wish i understood why he didn’t smooth out the wheel with wedges for better stability. Its an even simpler and quicker process and theoretically could improve stability/functionality.
My guess is bare minimum is good enough? Proof of concept mentality?
Should of made a threewheeler with the half wheel be at the back rather than the front because you won't have much of a problem with turning because there's more surface that's being covered. Love the creation none the less.
That's what I was thinking. you would get better hill climbing grip too.
You should have added two full wheels to make the comparison more fair, even if the original had half wheels adding one full wheel isn't really fair, because maybe if you added two full wheels the effect might be close to the two half wheels on bumpy terrain.
I think the wheels were not technically half and half, since they were created by removing the middle row of blocks. So the centre of the half wheel is offset and the wheels have a two gaps in their rotation where it can bump into the terrain, that's why the kick up happens every now and then.
Sir ! I'm appreciate you for realising it.
He added an extra line for each wheel at 1:34 off camera, so they are centered again actually.
This man can litterally build anything! And everything! Keep it up scrap
yessss the re-created series are back
Me: Watches the original bike video right before I go to bed.
Also Me: Wakes up and watches this video.
honestly I wanna see this taking to 100 and this implemented on different vehicles for example: trains, tanks, race cars, unicycles, etc. then implemented into a relay race xD. I think it'd be absolutely hilarious.
That controller powered wheel hast me thinking off a challenge for MP Monday:
Every wheel powered by a different source.
so could for example just have a Gas Engine, Electric Engine, Controller and friction powered wheel... though could also go with things like pistons or jets for powering some wheels.
A lot of the challenge would come from balancing the wheels to spin similarly enough to not throw you off the track, so I doubt mixing electric and gas engine would go very well with how different they behave. 🤔
make a unicycle so you don't have to worry about having different power sources (though that would be difficult to balance without glitches...)
I like that idea. 1 has to be powered by a gearing system that doesn't use the other power sources as a source or leave it a free bearing.
Could be fun trying to make the strandbeest in instruments of destruction
Something I have been waiting for!
4:00 try to slap suspension on each bar, for me it works 100% for steering type like that ;)
Only way that you can make 2 halves of the wheel work on bumpy terrain is to put both halves on the same shaft next to each other, even then you will feel some bumps on uneven terrain :D
Someone from 2022: "My ride has 400 horse power!"
Some medieval king: "My ride has 4 horse power!"
ScrapMan: "My ride has 2 horseshoe power!"
Scrapman, i love your vids. Hope your channel will stay family friendly as long as it can. Is Kerbal Space Program seems interesting to you?
I’ve watching the old videos and I really want you to revisit Terratech because there have so many update and it was really fun to watch you play it back then
Looks like you also invented the cultivator. Fun so far.
even though the wheel is blocky, when one corner isn't touching another is, giving it a much more "Curved" wheel vibes.
Was pretty cool
scrapman you have earned my subscription 100 times over
Hook them together like train wheels. And I agree this should be a multiplayer Monday episode.
Saw that video a while ago and knew that someone would try this in Scrap mechanic!
Just yesterday i saw The Q's video with this half wheel bike and now u made it in scrap mechanic nice
Honestly I'm kinda sad that you didn't make all the wheels 2 half wheels, it would look so physics defying
Ability to freely pivot front "wheel" would make it work better. Because it's rigid only one half touches the ground on uneven terrain. But if it could pivot it both halves would touch the ground
That video it still puzzling my head soo much xD
This can be a multiplayer monday idea, give everyone custom made wheels to use but 2 should be cut in half so you have 2 full wheels and 2 half wheels
There’s a video by 2in1 bricking where he makes a lego technic vehicle using 6 semicircle wheels, which worked pretty well with walker-style offsets
Like the Cyclocopter, my brain is in a state of constant disbelief. "This shouldn't work", it says over and over, but it does nonetheless.
Video idea: try to make the military camera drone from transformers. Its a normal drone with the body that looks like a mosquito... But it's propeller blades are sideways facing the front. This looks kind of like a normal plane propeller would but it's in the middle. The challenge of that video is to get it to hover in place. If you decide to do the video in the future then thanks! :)
Love this channel but always want longer video
I do think there will be a performance difference between a leading wheel versus trailing wheels. Also a difference between drive wheels versus free spinning wheels. There might be a sweet spot where even on uneven terrain the half wheel set up works well. Very cool video though.
If these were free spinning wheels it would not work lmao. I was also thinking about the difference between leading and trailing
@@Crazyclay78YT well, yeah, I guess I meant more free spinning IRL vs drive wheel IRL. In game it would definitely have to be the drive wheel with the controller, I suppose lol .... you are right on that. But leading vs trailing is definitely something to try. The leading wheel hitting a bump will cause the vehicle to jump. Lead wheels moving over it easily will drag the split trailing wheel, I would think, thus not causing as much jitteriness.
@@Thagrynor yeah that was my exact thought too
alternate idea for the offroad version would be to have the wheels be next to each other, instead of front and back while still on controller. this will fix the issue of the front wheel being too high when the terrain goes up, causing the bounce.
You could also use an engine to power them if you connected them with a parallel bar linkage, but that would require you changing how you do the steering.
Wow, Hi Scrap Man!!! 👋
adding chains and gears to SM would open up a whole lot of -painful- possibilities
As a non-scrap-mechanic-player (i learn scrap mechanic knowledge without playing it cuz the price converted to my currency is expensive), i learnt controllers have slow speed but they have the highest torque and don’t use any sort of fuel
i know the result would have still favored the full wheel (obviously), but you did give your full wheel variant the advantage of shortening it by placing the wheel in the back spot, instead of the front, because i think if it was front it would have resulted in a similar beaching like at ~12:48
1:47 don’t ever say *bad time* without adding *Sans The Skeleton*
Can you do the same thing but with 4 quarter wheels?
Wait a minute! I think what is happening with the wheels where they sync up is this thing called "spontaneous synchronization" where basically the vibrations cancel eachother out and they become one rythm. Look up some videos on it. It's really cool!
I think what's happening there is that the fast gas engine can't lock the wheel halves together, but the wheel with less ground contact speeds up in the air to meet the state of the other half. It's not like metronomes on a table, slowly nudging each other.
If you connect the wheels at the points they transition in/out of use you can use any of the engines types i think
he he, to be that dude, technically you don't have 2 halves. you have what amounts to a measurable loss surface area. 34/36 surface area (counting for the inner corners, but thought of by segments... 22/24).
Always entertaining though. XD
my initial intuition from watching the video is the turning radius would be funky.
the people awake at 4 am to watch your videos when they first come out are goats
i ligit watched this yesterday lol
the half bike video thing
I just seen that video last night and was going to suggest it.
This should be a multi-player challenge
I think you could have added wedges/ramps to the ends of the half wheels to make it smoother but that may stray from the original concept a bit too much
Talk about reinventing the wheel :)
You should do multiplayer monday challenge with half wheels
the two halves must be parallel to the ground. Perhaps there is some way of levering the two wheel (on a carriage of some sort) so they will stay parallel to toe ground.
potential idea to make the half wheels smoother over rougher terrain. have a flex/pivot point where they connect to the suspension and the rest of the vehicle. if the half wheels are allowed to follow the terrain better there wouldn't be those impact moments.
oh my gosh man, i saw this video when it came out, and want to make one but with both sides
I would love to see this as a 4 wheeler
I came across that video a day before this video!
Build a flyable boomerang in trailmakers
do an evolution in trail makers for land and air in one and do points in each race and total them up every time and start with two power cors
Could use kans train method for keeping them in sync using sway bars. But this would be great for multiplayer Monday all half wheels.
But....why?! Why that guy doesn't just have a normal cheaper 1 rear wheel or 2 complete wheels at this point, the half-wheels are gonna catch onto something for sure.
The q is so creative
What if you use double bearings on the front wheels like tank steering but have the direction on all the bearings going the same way so you effectively double the output speed of the controller?
Now I wanna see an omni-wheel or a pedrail-wheel
it's a pretty neat "neat thing" to build but I honestly wouldn't want to ride it: your turning radius is different whenever the front or back half-wheel is the one in contact, give it about 185 degrees on each "half" (to give you a hand-off zone so it's a lot less bumpy and a lot less energy loss from oversquishing the tire) and it'd work a treat for taking it on a ride in the park to make some kids laugh and parents shake their heads.
edit: btw, making the pivot in the middle of the two-halves-is-a-wheel makes it a lot worse.
You can use quarter of reactor
First look I saw of that bike at the beginning I already figured out that it was all about how the wheels lined up
Speed bumps would either feel like nothing or send you flying
I can see this working as a strange paddle boat, but not much else.
The wheels on the bike are NOT halves. Instead, they are a little bit over half to make sure the 2nd "half" overlaps and can take over the weight of the bike as it turns. Pretty logical if you think about it.
You could have the two half weels connected by a rod, like it is made on train wheels. With that they can not spin different to each other.
I smell a multiplayer race challenge coming...
I just watched this video a few days ago 🤘🤘
What if you put the half wheels paralel to each other horizontally? Would that work better for uneven terrain?
this should be a multiplayer monday project
I just watched this video yesterday lol