Man I love your channel, I’ve been building a XC bike over the course of the year and you are my go to guru. Keep up the good work my friend, your a legend.
Nobody else goes to the same level of detail that you do and I always come away from you videos with zero questions. Really appreciate your efforts 🤜💥🤛...... you're pretty much the reason my bike works so good.
Thanks for detailed Informationen about XTR washer! Never saw this somewhere else! Now my Bronson turned into a silent bike, because this washer was missing! 👍👍👍
One thing i'm happy about is that the SLX cassette costs about as much as an NX Eagle cassette, while it has more range and in terms of weight it's between NX and GX (which is almost twice the price). I think it's ridiculous where cassette prices are going. I remember in the old days when people said that 1x is cheaper because you have 1 less chainring, 1 less shifter, and no FD. Yeah, I guess that didn't exactly work out.
@@LoveMTB Yeah, the microspline situation is a bit strange, but i'm sure things are gonna change. After all, i'm a random guy on the internet, I know everything. 😁 Other than hurting sales, I don't understand what this "exclusivity" will achieve.
Just switched to a 2021 29 xc bike from a very old 2007 26 one a week ago, from 3x9 to 1x12, a HUGE difference, now I have have a complete XT 8100 groupset, I'm so happy with it, wish I had some XTR parts though, o also have DT Swiss wheels
I do find it better under power:) It also engages super quick. I was able to stop in the middle of a steep section, and get started without any trouble while jumping 4 rings:) I could not have done that on my old 2x11 xt.
The cassette body shown in the video is a DT Swiss body. The gouging issue has existed for decades with off-brand cassette bodies made of aluminum to save a few grams, and Shimano cassettes. Solution: use a genuine Shimano Freehub.
You align the 12t using the splines, where the larger splines ones are aligned on 14t and 12t. Then you align 10t using the dot on 12t. Everything is done in the right way by Shimano
I was using a Shimano XT shifter with XT cassette and XTR rear mech just changed the shifter to XTR the difference was very noticeable. Since I have just bought a new mech and shifter I will wait a bit to upgrade but will definitely change at some point. Good video enjoyed the comparison, look forward to a field test.
Such a helpful guide, particularly the detail on low spacer/loose cogs alignment on SLX. Watched lots of how-to guides but yours is by far the best in this respect. Exactly the details I needed to get installation perfect first time. Thank-you and greetings from Scotland👍
Does not like to shift under power, but it isn’t a handicap because shifting is instant, without pedaling. Ease off for a fraction of a second, click, and you are climbing again. You can also jump 2 or 3 gears without waiting for engagement, which is great before an unexpected climb.
It's one of those "Once you have tried it you never go back" things. Unless there's some sort of major durability issue I can't see myself ever considering something else.
LoveMTB, you may have helped shed some light on a problem I've had for the last month Salsa Spearfish carbon SLX - creaking. It almost sounds like a creaking saddle but you get the same sound, in our out of the saddle. All my pivots are tight and the sound - I've confirmed multiple times - is coming from the rear end. Same creak, on both sides of the power stroke. The only thing left is the chain and cassette. I ride Alafia and Balm Boyette MTB trails, which means sand and a lot of phosphate. After nearly every ride I wash the bike, dry it off and use LOTS of Squirt. I ride most Friday mornings for about 1.5 hours and a couple of days a week with the grandkids around the neighborhood. You wouldn't think I'd be having these issues in about a years time. Then you mentioned that ring between the cassette and free hub. That "seems like" possibly the culprit. I wouldn't imagine it would wear out, it doesn't seem like a "wear item". What do you think?
Thanks for your quick response - No, it's in any gear. If you're coasting everything sounds "normal" (the noise from the pawls has always been inconsistent since day one, sometimes click, sometimes it's silent). The only time it creaks - in any gear - is when it's under load while you're pedaling, on both the right and left side.
Thanks for posting this. I've been sandbagging on my tech and am finally moving from 2x9 X0 to 1x12 XT. All the parts are on the way and this is helpful to know what I'm getting into before un-boxing.
Great video with lots of useful info as always, thank you! 👍👍👍 I hope we will see SLX on the new bikes instead of NX and SX Eagle. I found SRAM’s budget 12 speed offerings cheaply made low quality and replaced them with 11 speed XT.
@@LoveMTB Say I bought a bike with full SX Eagle groupset and was looking for improved shifting... Can I keep my current cassette, chain, and chainring and just swap out the SX Eagle Lever and Derailleur for a 12-speed SLX? Would you recommend picking up the XT Shifter as opposed to the SLX even if I went with an SLX rear mech? Or am I better off picking up a GX Eagle rear mech and shifter instead? Unfortunately no XD Driver, so I couldn't upgrade the cassette unless I wanted to mess with the hubs...
Thanks for sharing the information and video. I have been checking out micro spline freehub this few days and want to upgrade my 10 speed to 12 speed. I am ordering micro spline freehub and XT group set to install my own. I hope the micro spline freehub works perfectly fine on my hub and my wheel. Thanks once again.
I was using Shimano gear since 1993. Last year I tried sunrace cassette and this year SRAM crankset. Last week I bought Shimano cassette. Now it's time to try SRAM eagle cassette
Compared to the X01, the XRT does shift much smother in both directions. What I don't like about the Shimano is the ISpecEV which makes it difficult to mount a XTR shifter to anything else that Shimano brakes. (there is no way currently to mount a XTR shifter to a Magura break for example)
I like the idea of using titanium cogs but aluminum is a pretty soft metal to use that as your rear cassette in your lowest range they should have an option all the Rings can be Titanium or even a lower grade option where the the two highest gears are just Steel
Excellent content as always; thanks! My plan is to stay with 11spd SRAM (X01 cassette, GX mech, WT chainring, and X1 shifter), and go with the 12spd E13 upgrade once the cassette craps out. We shall see.....
A friend of mine has had 2 failures already with the XT cassette while riding in the smallest gear. Replaced the Microspline Hub the first time. Dropping off the bike again.
@@LoveMTB, basically he was in his tallest gear(s) and the rings slipped, this damaged the hub splines. This was on a DB Release 2 and can only guess the factory didn't align the gears correctly when the wheel was built, knowing the problem his LBS replaced the hub and reinstalled the cassette correctly. DB didn't want to warranty this wheel on a bike less than a year old.
I’m a Shimano guy. Always have been, but I’d love to have the balls to take a gamble on SRAM. The shifting that is. Not the brakes. I still hate SRAM brakes
I replaced my 2x11 shimano xt on my Procaliber Trek, with the new 1x12 Xt. I love it. It was a bit expensive since I had to change the hub, but I wanted to go 1x12, and I don't like the sram shifters (I know that's picky). My LBS also added the additional prawls for faster engagement in the hub. You really can shift under power. Because of another cyclist, I had to stop going up a really steep section that before I would have not been able to start in the middle of, but it was easy to shift 4 and engage instantly. Is it worth upgrading? Answer: depends on your cash flow. For me, yes. It cleaned up my handlebars, gave me a lower gear than the 2x11 (with a 30 front chain ring), and makes all of my shifting cleaner, easier, and more effective. In some ways it compares to sram Gx in other ways it is better. Depends on how important the shimano shifters are to the rider.
Loose cogs are useful if you ride a lot on certain gears and a lot less on the others. That way you can replace single cogs if they wear out or if you want to change the number of teeth easily
Makes me kinda wish to have HG+ cassette with XD-compatible mount. However, that would require the casette to have no loose cogs. I.e. it is either SRAM changing tooth profile or Shimano accepting SRAM's standard (which has no patent fee, I believe) and making their cassettes a whole unit.
I’m currently running SRAM X01 Eagle drivetrain with an Absolute Black Oval chainring and the new KMC X12 chain on my 2018 Trek Fuel Ex 9.9.... Would love to eventually switch to all Shimano XTR down the road, but it will be a bit pricey!
Great video always providing the great level of info...just bought the XT groupset with microspline freehub on the XT wheelset for a new ebike project after watching your video. Thanks a bunch as always.
Can't deny the XX1 cassette is a work of art. Can I use a XX1 cassette with SLX or XT groupset? What modifications / care need to be taken to make this work out?
@@LoveMTB I bought a HOPE FORTUS 30 rear wheel w/ Microspline so I've decided to go all SHIMANO finally to take advantage of that Hyperglide. I've come to understand that the XT chain is more durable than the SLX chain. But in your opinion, does the SLX Cassette fair as well as XT? Also another imporant question: The XT RD comes in SG and SGS - would you be able to advice the drawbacks of the shorter cage? Will it negatively affect chain retention? Thanks in advance.
The gouging issue. That’s why I like Novatec’s ABG system but it will probably add weight. You would think they could have solved this in 4 years of development.
Weren't the spiders from the ols slx or xt cassette made from steel and therefore didn't have the issue? Which setup would you recommend from a longevety point of view? I need the xt shifter in order to shift 2 gears at once, but I only need 11 gears.
What an great Video. So much effort - priceless! Thank You. In order of your question at the end: I am mostly happy but stuck, upgrading to 12 Speed,with my (old Version) 9-46 E13 Cassette an my XTR 9000 11 Speed derailleur and shifter... What would you recommend for upgrading?
I currently have the XTR 12 SPD that came new with my bike. However, I want to change the cassette for a better range since I don't use the big gears. I want to get the rotor 11-46 but I have had a hard time getting the hub for my DT Swiss XRC1200
Rotor has the old style Shimano hub splines or at least that was what rotor told me. So I haven't tried to do anything about it. When and if I wear the XTR cassette I will look into it.
I think if you asked me this 12 months ago, I would have jumped on the XT 12 speed. After a year of SRAM eagle under my belt, I'm not sure I want to make that move. I'm not super impressed with 12 speed and feel the parts are wearing out too fast. Maybe the Box 9 is what i'll look to instead.
Man, when I watch your videos, I get the answers I can't fine nowhere else! For example, is 12sp SRAM compatible with 12 sp Shimano gear, etc... Thx a lot!
I wish Shimano made smaller 12 speed cassettes to save weight and money for the customer! Not everyone needs upto a 45T cassette, especially when the bikes are coming with only a 30 or 32T chainring! I have to change my freehub body and shifter to fit an older 11 speed 11-34t cassette!
Thanks for your informative video. I have build my soft tail on a SLX 12s drive train with a 10-51T Cassette. In your video, you mention there’s no chain drop when you back pedal on its largest COG. However, for my build, I experienced chain drop when back pedal at the 51T COG. Not sure if you have any advise on any rectification. I have a 148mm boost frame/hub and 457mm chainstay. Chainline at the crank is 52mm.
Once again a video that shows an upgrade but no report on what it actually did for the ride. More watts? Smoother hills as expected? Give us some feedback from actually riding with this awesome new gear!
nice job as usual. i had no idea the Sram cassette would work with the Sh12 set up. like everyone else here (it seems), i too am not a fan of the ridiculous micro spline and multi-piece cassette. however, if the Sh cassette is required to get that exalted shifting i read about, under full gas, it's a must have for me. i never thought i'd care, but as i've been riding and contemplating the new drivetrain i can see i would use it a lot to maintain flow and just shift my way up so many climbs if an option . so we must know, does it work the same with the otherwise lovely Sram cassette?
@@LoveMTB and one more question, if you let. That's mean, if i will accelarate with middle load, middle power (without many-many watts) and will shift up i don't feel big difference, only slightly more sound? Noisier sound don't affect to wear of cassette/chain?
Im confused. I have nonboost frame (GT Sensor Carbon Expert 2014) with 12x142 Hope Pro 2 Evo (Im waiting for microspline hub, which will be avaible soon). I want go from 3x10spd (24-32-42 + 11-34) to 1x12spd (36 + 10-51). I know that new XT cranks has 3 variants (8100,8120,8130), which has different Q-Factor and chainline. The 8100 crank variant says that it is for O.L.D. 142mm and 148mm together - but it has 52mm chainline. Isnt 52mm chainline boost? Can I go with this cranks or not? My actual triple (FC-M780) has chainline 50mm. BTW: XT 2x12 cranks has chainline 48,8mm....
Alas, I'm at a point of replacing my XT 8100 Cassette with a SRAM one just to avoid the Micro Spline freehub use. I've had a terrible time with the Micro Spline Freehub. First problem, the splines were completely shaven at the tip of the hub. Replaced the Micro Spline freehub with a new one and now I'm having the same issues. I'm scared the Microspline Freehub is damaged again. I'm thinking the Cassette setup with these clogs make it easy to shave off the Micro Spline Freehub, especially since the freehub is aluminum. The issue: Whenever I peddle under pressure, without switching gears, the drivetrain makes a loud gear switching sound and it feels like I'm skipping. It feels as if the cogs on the Cassette are spinning, skipping over the splines on the freehub.
Love my 2018 trek fuel ex8 plus...but GX still not as smooth as my Trance x2 SLX 29er especially the 2 way shifter and superior clutch while braking jumping and holding on...
I'll be jumping all over that as soon as XTR di2 12speed come out... assuming it will still be compatible with the road di2 shifters. Btw, have you experienced any issues using the wolf tooth ring together with the 12speed Shimano chain?
@@LoveMTB Cheer for the info, I had a feeling I would have to wait along time for that. At least I don't need to worry about converting free hubs for a while :P Keep the videos coming!
Man those gouging issues still not resolved + the instalation seems such a faf, oh shimano why. I’m still going to change the sx drivetrain to shimano on my new bike though. Getting that 10-51 range casette for half the price of gx’s 10-50/10-52 seems worth it. Plus loose cogs can be cheaply replaced.
I just got a bike with SRAM Eagle X01. It has DT Swiss hubs, and I hate noisy, loud hubs, so I wanted a new wheelaet with XTR hubs. Trouble is, the SRAM cassette isn't compatible with shimani's 12S microspline hub body. Is there any way to make this work? Otherwise I have to change the whole drivetrain including the shifters?
So right now I have an 8 speed and want to go to 1x12 drivetrain. So your basically saying I have to get this microspline hub thing. Also another question if I get this is it longer than any generic cassette "holder"?
Shimano xt cassette and chain should work with sram derailleur and shifter? I'm hoping it will shift better under load being 108kg heavy weight haha. Also running a blackspire oval up front which I'm not happy with harshness it creates. Teeth don't seem optimised for 12speed.
@@LoveMTB yes, almost like the teeth are too wide for the chain, it's getting better with the more kms on it. I've got around 250km on the front ring now and it does seem to be getting smoother. It's especially noticeable when in the 50t with the chain line at its worse. The original eagle chainring was smooth as butter
Great videos and explanations. I building complet 12 speed Shimano drivetrain and have some new CN-HG901-11 speed chains left. Can you tell me, would this chain work with 12 speed cassette? As 12 speed is little narrower 5.25 vs 5.62 right?
Hi, do You always use torque wrench for tightening cassettes? I've read this (only)one thread on forum where ppl were asking about Novatec's ABG system on freehub bodies. So overall ppl were not happy with it, cassettes were still biting in a bit and the steel plate was a stick-on so it had tendency to separate. And then there was this one guy, that wrote:"I always tighten cassettes with torque wrench and never had issues with bite damage to full alloy freehub bodies" So I'm wondering what's Your experience? I saw You still get bitemarks, but are they horrible, do they make removing cassettes difficult, how long it takes before freehub body is toast?
Im interested in its down-shift quality but I certainly dont miss dealing with those stupid loose cogs which makes taking it off a pain and the play that develops overtime. I dont understand why they repeated the same mistake. It also doesnt look like Shimano is ever going to let other wheel makers have microspline, DT Swiss is the only real-world hub that supports it, a year after release Shimano refuses to even communicate with the most popular aftermarket brands like Hope and Stans. Hopefully SRAM comes out with a next gen Eagle solution which improves shifting.
I’ve just bought mine and can’t wait to install it. I only need to buy the chainring for my Shimano Steps and I can’t decide which size should I go for 34 or 36. The chain I bought has 126 links and, although temped to go for a 36t chainring, I am not sure if the chain is long enough. Anyone able to spare some advice?
Thanks for the reply. Another question. My sprocket has a little play it will move back and forth a small amount if you push it and the chain is on the small sprockets . Is that normal
My small 12 sprocked is worn out the rest are good. But I heard you can't purchase it by itself. You have to buy the complete cassette. This sounds like a rip-off. Why won't the just sell the small sprockets. ?
Hi can you help me ,recently bought slx 7100 casset and i got only one spacer 1.9mm thick can you tell me.with one is missing ? Y0GY00300 Spacer A Y0GY00310 Spacer B ?
I'm thinking about a Sram XD driver and one of the e13 9tooth cassette's with a shimano derailleur if i Upgrade at some point together with a frame that has boost spacing and off course then from the get go take an XD driver hub like the DT 350.
@@LoveMTB Sure i will! MAybe early next year when new stuff from ragley is out. I just switched to 1x11 with a shimano 11spd RD and 11-50 sunrace cassette because i'm on a tight budget atm. Otherwise i would have done that already :) It's all a matter of if C19 calms down this year so i can hopefully find a job.
How works this Woolf tooth (as understand, this chainring is not HG+ specific) chainring with Shimano 12 speed Hyperglide + chain, because WT says, that for this type of chain you need specific tooth profile chainring? Thanks
Question- Do you find the OVAL Chain Ring to be wearing out the clutch premature? it looks like it makes your derailleur move forward and back far more than a standard chain ring ... thanks
Can any of these spram or here shimano group sets be installed on late model Gary fisher hardtails specifically Piranha 2007 ( specifically very fond of). Without spending tons of money or reengineering?
Man I love your channel, I’ve been building a XC bike over the course of the year and you are my go to guru. Keep up the good work my friend, your a legend.
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Nobody else goes to the same level of detail that you do and I always come away from you videos with zero questions. Really appreciate your efforts 🤜💥🤛...... you're pretty much the reason my bike works so good.
When I watch your videos it reminds me of how much I dont know about cycling components. Another great video.
Thanks for detailed Informationen about XTR washer! Never saw this somewhere else! Now my Bronson turned into a silent bike, because this washer was missing! 👍👍👍
One thing i'm happy about is that the SLX cassette costs about as much as an NX Eagle cassette, while it has more range and in terms of weight it's between NX and GX (which is almost twice the price). I think it's ridiculous where cassette prices are going. I remember in the old days when people said that 1x is cheaper because you have 1 less chainring, 1 less shifter, and no FD. Yeah, I guess that didn't exactly work out.
@@LoveMTB Yeah, the microspline situation is a bit strange, but i'm sure things are gonna change. After all, i'm a random guy on the internet, I know everything. 😁 Other than hurting sales, I don't understand what this "exclusivity" will achieve.
Just switched to a 2021 29 xc bike from a very old 2007 26 one a week ago, from 3x9 to 1x12, a HUGE difference, now I have have a complete XT 8100 groupset, I'm so happy with it, wish I had some XTR parts though, o also have DT Swiss wheels
XT is dope, enjoy!
I do find it better under power:) It also engages super quick. I was able to stop in the middle of a steep section, and get started without any trouble while jumping 4 rings:) I could not have done that on my old 2x11 xt.
The cassette body shown in the video is a DT Swiss body. The gouging issue has existed for decades with off-brand cassette bodies made of aluminum to save a few grams, and Shimano cassettes. Solution: use a genuine Shimano Freehub.
Perfect video! Saved me on my slx cassette bc my 2 yr old decided to re order it lol...👍🏼
You align the 12t using the splines, where the larger splines ones are aligned on 14t and 12t. Then you align 10t using the dot on 12t.
Everything is done in the right way by Shimano
I was using a Shimano XT shifter with XT cassette and XTR rear mech just changed the shifter to XTR the difference was very noticeable. Since I have just bought a new mech and shifter I will wait a bit to upgrade but will definitely change at some point. Good video enjoyed the comparison, look forward to a field test.
Not sure what a magic, but xt-xt definitely will work better than xtr-xt, looks like shifter is feeling that on other end of wire is a stranger 😂🤣
Such a helpful guide, particularly the detail on low spacer/loose cogs alignment on SLX. Watched lots of how-to guides but yours is by far the best in this respect. Exactly the details I needed to get installation perfect first time. Thank-you and greetings from Scotland👍
Thanks for the feedback and cheers from Canada!
Just got a Zerode with a Pinion transmission. A joy to ride, no more adjustments.
Nice!!!
Does not like to shift under power, but it isn’t a handicap because shifting is instant, without pedaling. Ease off for a fraction of a second, click, and you are climbing again. You can also jump 2 or 3 gears without waiting for engagement, which is great before an unexpected climb.
I don't care for 12 speed or micropline+, or reduced weight. Hyperglide+ is the biggst innovation imo and cant wait to see it on the road sets too.
It's one of those "Once you have tried it you never go back" things. Unless there's some sort of major durability issue I can't see myself ever considering something else.
Freehub damage at 2:47 is not due to loose cogs, it is due to harder matals indenting on the softer aluminum metal.
LoveMTB, you may have helped shed some light on a problem I've had for the last month Salsa Spearfish carbon SLX - creaking.
It almost sounds like a creaking saddle but you get the same sound, in our out of the saddle. All my pivots are tight and the sound - I've confirmed multiple times - is coming from the rear end. Same creak, on both sides of the power stroke. The only thing left is the chain and cassette.
I ride Alafia and Balm Boyette MTB trails, which means sand and a lot of phosphate. After nearly every ride I wash the bike, dry it off and use LOTS of Squirt.
I ride most Friday mornings for about 1.5 hours and a couple of days a week with the grandkids around the neighborhood. You wouldn't think I'd be having these issues in about a years time.
Then you mentioned that ring between the cassette and free hub. That "seems like" possibly the culprit. I wouldn't imagine it would wear out, it doesn't seem like a "wear item".
What do you think?
Thanks for your quick response - No, it's in any gear. If you're coasting everything sounds "normal" (the noise from the pawls has always been inconsistent since day one, sometimes click, sometimes it's silent). The only time it creaks - in any gear - is when it's under load while you're pedaling, on both the right and left side.
@@LoveMTB yes, SLX
Thanks for posting this. I've been sandbagging on my tech and am finally moving from 2x9 X0 to 1x12 XT. All the parts are on the way and this is helpful to know what I'm getting into before un-boxing.
I'm already on Shimano 12 speed XT and so far it is great.
@@LoveMTB Thats right. But I like XT 1x12 much more than XT 1x11. Biggest 51t does the job 😁
@@jromtbWhat do you prefer about it?
Great video with lots of useful info as always, thank you! 👍👍👍
I hope we will see SLX on the new bikes instead of NX and SX Eagle. I found SRAM’s budget 12 speed offerings cheaply made low quality and replaced them with 11 speed XT.
@@LoveMTB Say I bought a bike with full SX Eagle groupset and was looking for improved shifting... Can I keep my current cassette, chain, and chainring and just swap out the SX Eagle Lever and Derailleur for a 12-speed SLX? Would you recommend picking up the XT Shifter as opposed to the SLX even if I went with an SLX rear mech?
Or am I better off picking up a GX Eagle rear mech and shifter instead? Unfortunately no XD Driver, so I couldn't upgrade the cassette unless I wanted to mess with the hubs...
Thanks for sharing the information and video. I have been checking out micro spline freehub this few days and want to upgrade my 10 speed to 12 speed. I am ordering micro spline freehub and XT group set to install my own. I hope the micro spline freehub works perfectly fine on my hub and my wheel. Thanks once again.
@@LoveMTB It went very well. Thanks!
I was using Shimano gear since 1993. Last year I tried sunrace cassette and this year SRAM crankset. Last week I bought Shimano cassette.
Now it's time to try SRAM eagle cassette
Compared to the X01, the XRT does shift much smother in both directions. What I don't like about the Shimano is the ISpecEV which makes it difficult to mount a XTR shifter to anything else that Shimano brakes. (there is no way currently to mount a XTR shifter to a Magura break for example)
I like the idea of using titanium cogs but aluminum is a pretty soft metal to use that as your rear cassette in your lowest range they should have an option all the Rings can be Titanium or even a lower grade option where the the two highest gears are just Steel
Excellent content as always; thanks! My plan is to stay with 11spd SRAM (X01 cassette, GX mech, WT chainring, and X1 shifter), and go with the 12spd E13 upgrade once the cassette craps out. We shall see.....
All i was looking for is in your video. thank you for all the details !
Glad to help
A friend of mine has had 2 failures already with the XT cassette while riding in the smallest gear. Replaced the Microspline Hub the first time. Dropping off the bike again.
What kind of failures are we talking about?
@@LoveMTB, basically he was in his tallest gear(s) and the rings slipped, this damaged the hub splines. This was on a DB Release 2 and can only guess the factory didn't align the gears correctly when the wheel was built, knowing the problem his LBS replaced the hub and reinstalled the cassette correctly. DB didn't want to warranty this wheel on a bike less than a year old.
Sounds like an installation issue if you ask me...@@ericduch5087
Nicely done. I think this is the first time I've seen your face! :-) Still loving my Sunrace 11-46T 11sp. More than enough for me.
I purchased the SunRace MZ90 11-50 based on your pervious video! It's been excellent and is lighter than NX Eagle.
I’m a Shimano guy. Always have been, but I’d love to have the balls to take a gamble on SRAM. The shifting that is. Not the brakes. I still hate SRAM brakes
Depends what you’re after and what is your experience with right now
I haven't been happy with the durability of my SRAM Eagle GX drivetrain. Looking forward to Shimano on next bike.
I think I will wait for the 2021 bikes and look for something with XT, I will stick with my 11 speed XT/sunrace comb till then.
Hoa is the sunrace working for you with that m8100? I am getting into mtb and I am debating about buying new or used and upgrading to 1 or 2 by 11
I replaced my 2x11 shimano xt on my Procaliber Trek, with the new 1x12 Xt. I love it. It was a bit expensive since I had to change the hub, but I wanted to go 1x12, and I don't like the sram shifters (I know that's picky). My LBS also added the additional prawls for faster engagement in the hub. You really can shift under power. Because of another cyclist, I had to stop going up a really steep section that before I would have not been able to start in the middle of, but it was easy to shift 4 and engage instantly. Is it worth upgrading? Answer: depends on your cash flow. For me, yes. It cleaned up my handlebars, gave me a lower gear than the 2x11 (with a 30 front chain ring), and makes all of my shifting cleaner, easier, and more effective. In some ways it compares to sram Gx in other ways it is better. Depends on how important the shimano shifters are to the rider.
If shimano would just put all the cogs on a single spider or split all 12 cogs between 2 spiders, they wouldn't have a gouging issue anywhere.
Loose cogs are useful if you ride a lot on certain gears and a lot less on the others. That way you can replace single cogs if they wear out or if you want to change the number of teeth easily
@@sebastianjost but they dont sell per pcs cog in my country, and never seeing anyone does so
Makes me kinda wish to have HG+ cassette with XD-compatible mount. However, that would require the casette to have no loose cogs. I.e. it is either SRAM changing tooth profile or Shimano accepting SRAM's standard (which has no patent fee, I believe) and making their cassettes a whole unit.
Thanks for all the detail, dude. Love it.
I’m currently running SRAM X01 Eagle drivetrain with an Absolute Black Oval chainring and the new KMC X12 chain on my 2018 Trek Fuel Ex 9.9.... Would love to eventually switch to all Shimano XTR down the road, but it will be a bit pricey!
After doing more research, I may just go with an XTR 9100 derailleur and upgrade the cassette and chain to the XX1 rainbow!
@@aaronalagos45 Oil slick/ Rainbow same difference.
Update - XTR CS-M9101 12s already have spacer attached in it, same with the 8100 and 7100
As usually, excellent explained.
Thanck you.
Great video always providing the great level of info...just bought the XT groupset with microspline freehub on the XT wheelset for a new ebike project after watching your video. Thanks a bunch as always.
Can't deny the XX1 cassette is a work of art. Can I use a XX1 cassette with SLX or XT groupset?
What modifications / care need to be taken to make this work out?
@@LoveMTB Thank you! You're a rockstar!
@@LoveMTB I bought a HOPE FORTUS 30 rear wheel w/ Microspline so I've decided to go all SHIMANO finally to take advantage of that Hyperglide. I've come to understand that the XT chain is more durable than the SLX chain. But in your opinion, does the SLX Cassette fair as well as XT?
Also another imporant question: The XT RD comes in SG and SGS - would you be able to advice the drawbacks of the shorter cage? Will it negatively affect chain retention? Thanks in advance.
The gouging issue. That’s why I like Novatec’s ABG system but it will probably add weight. You would think they could have solved this in 4 years of development.
Muito Obrigado!
Seu vídeo contribuiu na montagem do meu grupo XT e tirou bastante dúvidas.
Weren't the spiders from the ols slx or xt cassette made from steel and therefore didn't have the issue?
Which setup would you recommend from a longevety point of view?
I need the xt shifter in order to shift 2 gears at once, but I only need 11 gears.
What an great Video. So much effort - priceless! Thank You.
In order of your question at the end:
I am mostly happy but stuck, upgrading to 12 Speed,with my (old Version) 9-46 E13 Cassette an my XTR 9000 11 Speed derailleur and shifter...
What would you recommend for upgrading?
Just ordered my new Trance 29 with SLX M7100. I honestly don't know what I'm more excited for. The new frame or new drivetrain?
Always loved the chunk sound on Shimano :-)
So HG+ does not work than ??
I currently have the XTR 12 SPD that came new with my bike. However, I want to change the cassette for a better range since I don't use the big gears. I want to get the rotor 11-46 but I have had a hard time getting the hub for my DT Swiss XRC1200
Rotor has the old style Shimano hub splines or at least that was what rotor told me. So I haven't tried to do anything about it. When and if I wear the XTR cassette I will look into it.
very nice video, seems like we'll finally have an option for a full shimano 12 speed groupset on cheaper bikes now
I yjink i'm addicted to this channel---and all things Shimano
Changing the entire cassettes of 12 speed still can cost you a lot of money. hope it becomes more accessible in terms of the price.
Deore has the 12s already that doesn't need the microspline. which makes it very cheap
Great video. Learned alot about my 12speed setup
Hallo my Friend. Are there any differences in spacing between the cogs because of the spacers? XTR vs XT/SLX? Are they x-compatible?
Great in depth video, love geeky stuff like this..
I'm actually using Sram drivetrain, but that Shimano looks so damn much smoother.
Huge amount of good information here. Thanks.
I think if you asked me this 12 months ago, I would have jumped on the XT 12 speed. After a year of SRAM eagle under my belt, I'm not sure I want to make that move. I'm not super impressed with 12 speed and feel the parts are wearing out too fast. Maybe the Box 9 is what i'll look to instead.
Man, when I watch your videos, I get the answers I can't fine nowhere else!
For example, is 12sp SRAM compatible with 12 sp Shimano gear, etc...
Thx a lot!
Hmmm may be “compatible” but not the best set up for smooth shifting, easy set up and wear
I wish Shimano made smaller 12 speed cassettes to save weight and money for the customer! Not everyone needs upto a 45T cassette, especially when the bikes are coming with only a 30 or 32T chainring! I have to change my freehub body and shifter to fit an older 11 speed 11-34t cassette!
Thanks for your informative video. I have build my soft tail on a SLX 12s drive train with a 10-51T Cassette. In your video, you mention there’s no chain drop when you back pedal on its largest COG. However, for my build, I experienced chain drop when back pedal at the 51T COG. Not sure if you have any advise on any rectification.
I have a 148mm boost frame/hub and 457mm chainstay. Chainline at the crank is 52mm.
Is is possible to mix a Deore cassette with a xtr chain, same series? It seems to me the best bang for buck. Emtb.
Yes definitely
Can you buy individual cogs for the new shimano? I generally wear out the 12t cog (or 13t) as that is the gear I use for going downhill.
Once again a video that shows an upgrade but no report on what it actually did for the ride. More watts? Smoother hills as expected? Give us some feedback from actually riding with this awesome new gear!
I have read that if you can afford one xtr 12s component it must be the chain.
I think those setups will work better if that chain were been used.
nice job as usual. i had no idea the Sram cassette would work with the Sh12 set up. like everyone else here (it seems), i too am not a fan of the ridiculous micro spline and multi-piece cassette. however, if the Sh cassette is required to get that exalted shifting i read about, under full gas, it's a must have for me. i never thought i'd care, but as i've been riding and contemplating the new drivetrain i can see i would use it a lot to maintain flow and just shift my way up so many climbs if an option . so we must know, does it work the same with the otherwise lovely Sram cassette?
@@LoveMTB interesting. and why is that? i gather you're happy with that set up that you've determined is best by trial and error.
@@LoveMTB and one more question, if you let. That's mean, if i will accelarate with middle load, middle power (without many-many watts) and will shift up i don't feel big difference, only slightly more sound? Noisier sound don't affect to wear of cassette/chain?
Im confused. I have nonboost frame (GT Sensor Carbon Expert 2014) with 12x142 Hope Pro 2 Evo (Im waiting for microspline hub, which will be avaible soon).
I want go from 3x10spd (24-32-42 + 11-34) to 1x12spd (36 + 10-51).
I know that new XT cranks has 3 variants (8100,8120,8130), which has different Q-Factor and chainline.
The 8100 crank variant says that it is for O.L.D. 142mm and 148mm together - but it has 52mm chainline. Isnt 52mm chainline boost?
Can I go with this cranks or not? My actual triple (FC-M780) has chainline 50mm.
BTW: XT 2x12 cranks has chainline 48,8mm....
Have you ever tried running the shimano cassettes with eagle cable shifter and derailleur?
@@LoveMTB well this but with a mechanical sram shifter and derailleur..? I assume it would work..
Alas, I'm at a point of replacing my XT 8100 Cassette with a SRAM one just to avoid the Micro Spline freehub use. I've had a terrible time with the Micro Spline Freehub. First problem, the splines were completely shaven at the tip of the hub. Replaced the Micro Spline freehub with a new one and now I'm having the same issues. I'm scared the Microspline Freehub is damaged again. I'm thinking the Cassette setup with these clogs make it easy to shave off the Micro Spline Freehub, especially since the freehub is aluminum.
The issue: Whenever I peddle under pressure, without switching gears, the drivetrain makes a loud gear switching sound and it feels like I'm skipping. It feels as if the cogs on the Cassette are spinning, skipping over the splines on the freehub.
Why do you think the low spacer is a separate detachable piece on the XTR while the one on the XT/SLX is a built in sticker?
I like the 12 speed slx drive train group with the slx 4 pistons break!
For money, just like the previous generation, i would suggest slx drivetrain with xt shifter and rd.
Love my 2018 trek fuel ex8 plus...but GX still not as smooth as my Trance x2 SLX 29er especially the 2 way shifter and superior clutch while braking jumping and holding on...
I love how the 11 Speed XTR will be so cheap after.
I am a big shimano fan but the fact that microspline is not open to every hub manufacturer is just stupid
I'm waiting for Hope to release their microspline freehub. Until then eagle gx it is.
I'll be jumping all over that as soon as XTR di2 12speed come out... assuming it will still be compatible with the road di2 shifters.
Btw, have you experienced any issues using the wolf tooth ring together with the 12speed Shimano chain?
@@LoveMTB Cheer for the info, I had a feeling I would have to wait along time for that.
At least I don't need to worry about converting free hubs for a while :P
Keep the videos coming!
Man those gouging issues still not resolved + the instalation seems such a faf, oh shimano why. I’m still going to change the sx drivetrain to shimano on my new bike though. Getting that 10-51 range casette for half the price of gx’s 10-50/10-52 seems worth it. Plus loose cogs can be cheaply replaced.
I just got a bike with SRAM Eagle X01. It has DT Swiss hubs, and I hate noisy, loud hubs, so I wanted a new wheelaet with XTR hubs. Trouble is, the SRAM cassette isn't compatible with shimani's 12S microspline hub body. Is there any way to make this work? Otherwise I have to change the whole drivetrain including the shifters?
What type of adapter did you use to tightened the lock-ring hub?
It's a cassette tool, that's what's called. Might have it linked in the description😉
I have a 12 speed slx and I have a huge problem with the backpedaling, the chain drops just after 1/4 turn. Any recommendations ? thanks
So right now I have an 8 speed and want to go to 1x12 drivetrain. So your basically saying I have to get this microspline hub thing. Also another question if I get this is it longer than any generic cassette "holder"?
How popular is the Microspline and how many MTBers are using it?
Hi I have a 12 speed Shimano with a kmc x12 chain would you suggest using a hyper glide plus Shimano chain many thanks
I got the 12 speed xt drive train but yet to install..what model# lock ring tool do I use? Thanks
Shimano xt cassette and chain should work with sram derailleur and shifter? I'm hoping it will shift better under load being 108kg heavy weight haha. Also running a blackspire oval up front which I'm not happy with harshness it creates. Teeth don't seem optimised for 12speed.
@@LoveMTB yes, almost like the teeth are too wide for the chain, it's getting better with the more kms on it. I've got around 250km on the front ring now and it does seem to be getting smoother. It's especially noticeable when in the 50t with the chain line at its worse. The original eagle chainring was smooth as butter
@@LoveMTB 100% , cheers for the response.
Great videos and explanations.
I building complet 12 speed Shimano drivetrain and have some new CN-HG901-11 speed chains left. Can you tell me, would this chain work with 12 speed cassette? As 12 speed is little narrower 5.25 vs 5.62 right?
Hi, do You always use torque wrench for tightening cassettes? I've read this (only)one thread on forum where ppl were asking about Novatec's ABG system on freehub bodies. So overall ppl were not happy with it, cassettes were still biting in a bit and the steel plate was a stick-on so it had tendency to separate. And then there was this one guy, that wrote:"I always tighten cassettes with torque wrench and never had issues with bite damage to full alloy freehub bodies" So I'm wondering what's Your experience? I saw You still get bitemarks, but are they horrible, do they make removing cassettes difficult, how long it takes before freehub body is toast?
@@LoveMTB Thanks a lot!
Im interested in its down-shift quality but I certainly dont miss dealing with those stupid loose cogs which makes taking it off a pain and the play that develops overtime. I dont understand why they repeated the same mistake. It also doesnt look like Shimano is ever going to let other wheel makers have microspline, DT Swiss is the only real-world hub that supports it, a year after release Shimano refuses to even communicate with the most popular aftermarket brands like Hope and Stans. Hopefully SRAM comes out with a next gen Eagle solution which improves shifting.
I’ve just bought mine and can’t wait to install it. I only need to buy the chainring for my Shimano Steps and I can’t decide which size should I go for 34 or 36. The chain I bought has 126 links and, although temped to go for a 36t chainring, I am not sure if the chain is long enough. Anyone able to spare some advice?
XT CASSETTE LOOKS SMOOTHER THAN XTR
Is the MT500 rear hub compatible with DEORE XT Cassette CS-M8100 (10-51T)? Pls advise. Thanks
1:54 is this spacer available to buy？ mine m6100 cassette spacer already missing
Thanks for the reply. Another question.
My sprocket has a little play it will move back and forth a small amount if you push it and the chain is on the small sprockets . Is that normal
My small 12 sprocked is worn out the rest are good. But I heard you can't purchase it by itself. You have to buy the complete cassette. This sounds like a rip-off. Why won't the just sell the small sprockets. ?
Hi can you help me ,recently bought slx 7100 casset and i got only one spacer 1.9mm thick can you tell me.with one is missing ?
Y0GY00300 Spacer A
Y0GY00310 Spacer B
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Yes I’ll consider it when hope have a microspline freehub out but that’s not going to happen anytime soon
Got a set with pro 2 evos but also looking at buying a new wheelset with pro 4s
I'm thinking about a Sram XD driver and one of the e13 9tooth cassette's with a shimano derailleur if i Upgrade at some point together with a frame that has boost spacing and off course then from the get go take an XD driver hub like the DT 350.
@@LoveMTB Sure i will! MAybe early next year when new stuff from ragley is out. I just switched to 1x11 with a shimano 11spd RD and 11-50 sunrace cassette because i'm on a tight budget atm. Otherwise i would have done that already :) It's all a matter of if C19 calms down this year so i can hopefully find a job.
How works this Woolf tooth (as understand, this chainring is not HG+ specific) chainring with Shimano 12 speed Hyperglide + chain, because WT says, that for this type of chain you need specific tooth profile chainring? Thanks
Brasil - Muito bom. acabei de comprar o grupo slx 12v. este vídeo me foi muito útil.
How does the XT M8000 compare to the M8100 is the difference in shifting very noticeable?
Actually it is, HG+ makes a difference
@@LoveMTB How much of a difference? I'm going from an old 2x9 and want to go 1x. Is it worth going M8000 how much more will I gain?
@@Leo-gt1bx #1 you gain more range
All my bikes are sram components, new build will be all xtr 12, hope for the best
Question- Do you find the OVAL Chain Ring to be wearing out the clutch premature? it looks like it makes your derailleur move forward and back far more than a standard chain ring ... thanks
Can any of these spram or here shimano group sets be installed on late model Gary fisher hardtails specifically Piranha 2007 ( specifically very fond of). Without spending tons of money or reengineering?