2 Problems You Can Have Installing The 12 Speed Shimano Cassette. What Can Go Wrong...
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- I have already build a couple of bikes equipped with Shimano 1x12 drivetrain and still get this wrong during installation... Did you make some of these mistakes too?
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After watching a few videos from this channel, I feel like all of the 'big' MTB related youtube channels are just trying to sell me something. This is the only place where I search for something specific, and receive a specific answer.
Thank you!
In a nutshell ‘here is where you can go wrong’. This is why your channel is so good, many videos show you step 1, 2, & 3 with no problems at all but that’s often not how things work. Thank you for the excellent video
Oh yessss, I'm so fed up by the tons of videos on yt where all of the work gets just super smooth without any problems like magic, with all their super clean parktools and always cutting out the tricky and annoying parts of the work - which are basically the most interesting parts and why someone search help on yt.... :) (Same also in the motorcycle scene, etc.)
Thank you so much!
its quite a miracle i didn't screw up anything when I installed my SLX 12 speed cassette without knowing these details.
Same here. I'm always nervous when I take parts of the bike apart.
Thanks for this man! Didn’t know it came apart into this many pieces and didn’t realize the spacers were different widths until I finished washing it
Same thing with me! I've installed hundreds of cassettes but couldn't get the XT 8100 cassette in right at the 11th sprocket until I saw this video! Thanks dude!
Thank you! I had a similar problem and was very frustrated trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. After watching this I had it sorted out in no time.
Thanks! this helped me put together my SLX cassette after switching wheels. That side view camera angle did it.
Cheers for the advice,I couldn’t work out why I couldn’t tighten the bolt up tighter! Watched your vid and worked out where I was going wrong ! That 11 cog really has to be set true 👍🏻
Although I think you could avoid the focusing problem with more cutting and voice-over commentary, I really appreciate videos like this. I do not currently own a Shimano 1x12, but my next bike certainly will, and clips like this can be really short, but make you a hell of a lot more prepared. Thank you!
Another issue if you switch from an xd driver to a microspline, you will need different caps as well. I was sent a wheel with the xd driver instead of the microspline. Then, they sent me the microspline without new caps. I put the wheel on my bike several times before realizing it wasn't me. It was the wrong cap.
I must have just gotten lucky when I serviced my cassette in the past. Your video saved me from turning my cassette cogs into Japanese throwing stars. Thanks!
Great video. I had my bike at the bikeshop, assembling my new wheel. When i got home and took my first ride and it shifted weirdly. So when i got home i looked at the cassette and he had done all the mistakes.
Thanks! Replacing my XT 9100 cassette today and admittedly did it in a hurry and easy to miss the spacer thickness difference and the gear 11/12 alignment. Your video straightened me out and saved further ride delays. Appreciate you taking the time to create!
Thank you so much!
Now the XTR CS-M9100-12 has only one spacer (after the 9th) and a plastic one before the cassette "Low Spacer - Y1X401500" in the very latest to prevent creaking. Still need to be good at jigsaws though...what a PITA.
Last night I had to replace a 12sp Shimano cassette. What I had expected to be a 5 minute job finally took the best part of an hour. The issue was exactly what you're describing here. The last few cogs were wobbling. Had to redo it multiple times until they were seated correctly. I normally prefer Shimano over SRAM but in this case I need to admit, the design of the SRAM cassettes for the XD body is superior. Shimano should design a one-piece cassette to make installation fool-proof.
Excellent video for those looking to do the job correctly. I deep clean my road bike's 12 speed cassette and always take the cassette apart slowly, and install it slowly and carefully.
Thank you so much! Your video ensured I got off on the right foot with this bike build instead of heading down a path of frustration.
Hi. A really great video. Got my XTR cassette from my LBS. Was one he had for normal service so no plastic holder. Came with a cable tie so your video will be of great help tomorrow. Many thanks. You made it look very easy and simple.
Thanks for your help here, I've always ran SRAM XD until very recently. I haven't had to remove my micro spline cassette yet but soon. Another helpful trick when removing rings/spacers is to remove those all at once and before setting down secure a zip tie around them. That way everything will be in correct order when installing :)
Great informative video thanks. Just stripped to de-grease, once I'd pulled it all apart I then realized the spacers were different sizes. Doh.
Doh! Got me too! Been installing cassettes for years, I had no idea about this though, thanks for the fantastic video, it made things super clear
On the 10th, 11th, and 12th sprockets, I mark the wide slot on the outside of the sprocket with a marker pen to help line it up.
I almost screwed up the thread on the lock nut because I friend to lock it in while the 11th sprocket was not fully aligned, like you showed in the video. Luckily I found the correct way before I ruined everything.
Buddy thanks for saving me. Messed up that spacer order stripped out lock ring. Still couldn’t get 11 on to save my life. Couple drops of chain lube on that dreaded #11 and boom it slipped on. Thanks again
Good for you! I still make some basic mistakes with new parts...
Wow, thank you for the in depth video. So helpful. I think I need to take off my cassette and make sure I didn't mess up 😅
Great video , theses are the small things that go wrong and subsequently take a lot of "scratching the head" to ascertain what happened during a relatively straight forward operation. You've got a terrific chanel and a really well organised presentation technique. Thanks 👍👍
Thank you! Got me back on the trails in no time
Thanks, I really didn’t notice the spacer thickness difference at first. This was really helpful video for making things right.
Spot on info for the 12 tooth sprocket
I was going to fit a new SLX cassette to my new wheel this weekend - so I'm really glad I saw your vid before going ahead with the job - because I would surely have made all the mistakes you pointed out. Thank you! 👍
Thaaaaaank you! I was about to take my wheel outback and use it for target practice
Thank you! I have loose cogs, so today I’m going to tighten the cassette!
This one of the best channels to provide good info. Thank you
Helpful vid, thanks! I stripped a lockring before watching this 😞
This is very helpful -- it tells me that Shimano is making it impossible to mix and match for my needs. If the cogs and spacers were uniform, I could make the exact cassette I need -- it doesn't have to shift perfectly for my bike and riding, but it does have to have the gearing I want.
Thank you so much! You ended my Saturday morning nightmare! ❤️ You're a legend!
many thanks i thought i was losing the plot ;you saved my sanity re 12 microspline /shimano 12 cassette
I sincerely hope that shop mechanics are paid accordingly. Each year there are changes... some major, some minor. Some sensible, and some SILLY. But it all has to be learned well to keep customers happy and shops respected/ in business.
Just get your pentel pen and put a mark on the male large spline and female large spline. Now you have indicator and just align the two marked points.
Today ma Deore 12speed fell apart when putting down the cassette. This is very, very helpful video to show in details how to assemble it back again :)
This should be required viewing before installing or reinstalling a Shimano 12 speed cassette. I managed to strip the lock ring threads while torqueing it down, thinking that I had everything seated (being used to SRAM simplicity). Thankfully I didn't also strip the freehub threads. Thank you.
Yes he's right i had gears jumping, I mixed the spacers up! Then the last 2 sprockets were a pain to get on, the lock ring would not go on.its very eady to get number 11 wrong.
Thank you!!! Just like you said, several easy mistakes especially if you've installed many cassettes. Bad job Shimano design team, great job SickBiker!!!
Legend says always read the manuals before installing things
Puff! The manual created only for one thing - search out what you are broke just in time. :)
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Damn how i love the Sram XD Casettes :)
Until you shift one after riding XTR lol
Hey, thanks for that! I was searching for this kind of stufff quite while and it helped me a lot. Thanks from Hamburg, Germany .. Todd
Thanks Mate! I was really struggling and knew something was wrong. Your video set me straight.
Great video,on point. I had exactly the same issues.
My first stupid mistake was assembling the cranks at the same direction when everything was tightened. When my wife arrived at home, I blamed her because she was in my mind while I was assembling the cranks.
I think the ratonale on why Shimano still left the last 4 sprockets loose, so we can replace any of them individually as soon as they were worn out.
Lite bit contrapositive if on modern 1x12 most used sprokets are in middle of the range.
@@tomaskonkol8894 but the small ones tend to wear quicker due to being so small
RUclips recommended this video after I just installed a 12-sp XT cassette today. Yes!!!! It’s a hug pain in the ass to get installed correct compared to even the OneUp mini-hub.
Thanks. I messed mine up last night. Can go fix it now.
I don't know if complicated is quite the right word but, this video does have merit . Try having that thin spacer be missing and not know it when you finally get all the parts in to convert your bike over. Lets hope the local shop has one. Good cassette, design could be tweaked just that little bit!
Can't believe I was having trouble installing a cassette. As you said, I have installed many cassettes over the years and can probalby do it now with my eyes closed...EXCEPT this one. This is my first micro spline drive and am not impressed how shimano designed it. Thank you for this video.
It does kinda suck. I would prefer an hg body. And I have a non Shimano 12 speed hg cassette so it is possible.
Got the cassette right. But on my first 12 speed rear derailleur I didnt know there was a tab that rests against the derailleur hangar. I had the b- screw right up against the hangar.
Have Sunrace SMS8 on my Merida Silex 300 but the video helped me to mount the cassette back!
Those two little sprockets hahaha
Thanks for the video!
Thank you for this nice and very clear video. I'm quite a noob and building my bike with the 12 speed deore xt cassette. This will help me for sure.
Thank you for this video. It verified what I found on my new bike purchase.
Very helpful!
It seems Shimano could have made a better design if they go to the trouble of casting new cassette sprockets for 12s. In the higher end cassettes the spacers are typically lighter material to get the weight savings, some of engineering tickles down to the lower end models but yeah why not just make that spacer part of the sprocket or key the sprockets better so the stay lined up.. Thanks for the vid!
I'll stick with the 11-spd, seems really close to the 12 without all the worries!
I just switched from 10 to 12 and Im wondering if it was worth it. 12 is a whole different animal as far as set up.
That 9th cog is like that probably due to limitations of the manufacturing process
Incredibly helpful video, thank you so much!
Like you say, I've replaced a hundred cassettes and the only I've messed up was 12 spd SLX - stripped the lock ring 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
super! my shimano 12 speed cassette is on its way along with some new Hunt wheels and GRX crank.
If I,m not wrog and I think that is not the case you should see a little dot on each of last two chainrings...purpose of those two is to find the alignment point more easily.
It happened to me too LOL 😂 I put a spacer wrong once, but I noticed only on a ride
Thanks for this. Do you use grease on the freehub body when you actually install it for real, or do you install it dry? If dry, any creaking?
Already screwed up the thin threads on the lock ring. Very finicky.
"Better gear" ratios + cheaper price of Shimano vs. ease of installation + possible improved durability of SRAM (GX and above), albeit at a much higher premium.
Thanks so much! That was super helpful!
I’ve just fitted a 12 speed casette to an xd freehub, casette sits too proud of free hub body and when installed to bike, casette touches frame. Anyone had this issue?
Not so complicated... you just have to keep in mind the spacers sequence and with the grooves is almost impossible to make mistakes because if you don't fit in the right ones the cogs simply won't slip on the freehub.. the "problem" are the spacers.. mainly but nothing too complicated.
So I think this is the reason why when I put Strong Pedaling power on the smallest gear, its like my chain on the cassette snaps...
Mine does it on 4th cog.
thank you! I have stripped thread on 2 lock rings already before finding this video. This really helped me. Can I ask - do you know if some wheels require a spacer on the freehub before fitting the cassette? I think not, and you don't show one, but I wanted to check (I am retro fitting Shimano microspline to a Roval wheel).
Just my opinion - I suspect that the spacers are a 'retro-fit', added after the sprockets were manufactured, so they wouldn't have to throw out all of the 'too thin' sprockets and manufacture them all over again. Adding the 12th speed sprocket attached to the 11th speed sprocket is necessary because when the freehub was manufactured they didn't take into account that a 12th sprocket might be added - in essence another 'retro-fit'. :) I'm just guessing, your guess is as good as mine.
Wow. Just have to swap the spacers. I was wondering why my gears were jumping so much.
Fantastic and very informative!
Very informative discussion.thank you sickbiker.
I've always didn't like shimano HG cassettes because of those stupid separate cogs.
Now with the 12 speed, instead of simplifying the construction, like XD one-piece, shimano just made it even more complicated 🤦🏻♂️
My small 12 sprocked is worn out the rest are good. But I heard you can't purchase it by itself. You have to buy the complete cassette. This sounds like a rip-off. Why won't the just sell the small sprockets. ?
So when the cassette comes in the box, can’t you just take it out and put it on with no problem? I’ve seen the. New and they come packaged already assembled. I’m confused as to why you have to separate anything when it comes completely assembled in the box. Aren’t the spacers already in the proper position out the box?
You're not wrong. But some people get too excited and yank everything out of the box and throw it on the bench. And some people take their cassette off at a later date to clean things and end up with full disassembly.
Good video, thanks. However, at 6:04 you said no. 12 & no. 10 have the dots on them. I presume you meant no. 12 & no. 11?
12s sucks. The limit for proper functionability and durability is 10s. But the industry and newbies are fomenting these unreliables inovations. Better option is combine 9 or 10 cogs with a 2 or 3s internal-hub system. I ride 12s XTR perfectly- tuned and the impression is that-will last 1000km or less. XTR quality now-is comparable with 9 speed-Deore. Poor-finishing poor construction. Miss my 9s XT or XTR.
I just wish SImano would make like a single-piece cog utilizing the entire micro spline that way the gouging problem will be eliminated
another very informative video, thanks
Thanks man, i just fix up mine. 👍
Great vid 😊Thankyou.
Oh, Sram existe so appy ahah, thanks for the explicated 😉👌
Thank you!
Buenas tardes... Una pregunta.. El cassette Ultegra de 12 v lleva un espaciador entre la rueda y las primeras coronas? Un espaciador de 1 mm o less?
You have good cognition.
Thats complicated. Life is too easy, so make it more difficult without any sense
If this is complicated, wait for the video on internal cables from this bike...
@@cannondany omg
that's why my entire bike fleet is no older than ca 1990s, less fiddling more riding, bikes have become so delicate and complicated over the years.
@@HansensUniverseT-A I might be getting older but I ride mainly older rigid singlespeeds now. Low low maintenance. More fun less to fix. Only an opinion
@@rogergale3297 I primarily ride my Norwegian produced DBS bikes from the 60s and 70s, they're bulletproof, even the hubs and cranks were made in here in Norway and they are overbuilt like mad, you can't wear them out, the reason for the ridiculous engineering behind them were that they simply used a lot of heavy duty fasteners, bolts etc that were available at the time, many used in motorcycles and industry level equipment, the hubs were basically ripped from light motorcycles and adapted for cycling use, bikes today are so fragile and delicate in their design philosophy, being a shop mechanic for more than 10 years made me see what holds up and what doesn't, certainly made me lean heavily towards older bikes.
Thank you so much for this !!
Thank you so much.
Auf Zahnrad 11 und 12 gibt es einen Punkt als Makierung, die müssen übereinander liegen, dann sollte es passen.
Great manual! Thanks! 🌈
This is a SLX Kasette not XT . XT has 2 black Ritzel😉
Thanks!
Very helpful and TY.
So what's faster on top end flat out, a 1 x 10 speed or a 1 x 11 speed
Wow..good thing I bought a m8000 xt 11speed cogs..i hate the micro spline of the 12speed.
Thank you soo much for this !!!!