Shimano Deore Vs. XT 1x12 Transmissions | What Really Is The Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- How do you know which Shimano MTB groupset to choose? There is quite of bit of difference in cost between them and they seemingly share a lot of the same features. Neil is here to help, by taking both Deore and XT drivetrains for a ride!
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Deore with XT shifter I think is the best performance to price ratio
For sure, even better when the Deore 4 piston brakes come out in August, SLX 4 pots were already pretty good for the price.
@@mrvwbug4423 The deore 4 pot brakes are the exact same with different letters as the mt501 520 combo
Bang on mate. The most noticeable difference for me has always been at the shifter. Xtr shifter with deore is awesome also.
XT mech and shifter, everything else SLX or Deore depending on budget I think is a good mix.
How is the clutch on the 12spd Deore? I found the 10spd one a bit light.
The transition at 0:25 is beautiful
watch it in slow motion and with really good grafics and you will see how it's done
but i have to agree that it's truely amasing
keep it going gmbn!!!
i love these sorts of things when they r used
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Replace the person walking with the tree and you have the same effect.
@@seoulglo1999 yeah, I can think of a couple ways it could be done, just appreciating it 😉👍
Drivetrain comparison: spends most of the video rolling down a hill
To prove the derailleur won't drop the chain
I agree...way too much hype in these videos, and too light in actual information.
I'm impressed, because in spite of the tap dance that's usually required in a sponsored video, Doddy cuts to the chase here: 5:15
Jonas Nazaruk over on GMBN tech is where ull get more info and in-depth info
I agree, way too much time with zero info, over 3 minutes in fact. I was just thinking they should have let Tech do it and BAM, up pops Doddy, imparting information during the riding scenes, much better.
Come on GMBN, we know you can do better.
A video about a groupset review with 50% of it showing going downhill. Legit.
This is the reason I like Shimano: you have a lot of options and they are cross compatible. It's hard to get a bike with all the components as you would like them, once they wear out you might one to change a few things without throwing away everything. 10-51 is a great range for a 1x12 system. Personally I usually take SLX as my starting point and I can move up or down depending on what I need in that particular setup I'm working on.
I've been an XT guy for 20 years...it's my go to drivetrain, but a XT/SLX combo is also awesome...
With the new stuff i think i'll go deore plus XT shifter.
The SLX tip I think is a good one. I have XT, but I will probably replace with SLX....My brakes are the SLX 4 pot and they are way better than the old xt 2 pot ones.
The more light weight the less durable. Xtr isn't going to last much more than a year. I used to ride lx drive chain with xt shifters it's a good compromise.. too many plastic parts inside the cheaper shifters.
I just ordered a 2021 Grand Canyon 8, it comes with an interesting mixed bag of XT/SLX/Deore components: XT derailleur, SLX shifters and chain, and Deore cassette and crank. I sure would've loved the last two to be also SLX, but I'm pretty sure it's a decent groupset combo for the price of the bike. Besides, I can always upgrade at a later stage when it's time to replace them.
How many times have to had to change the cassettes and cranks ...20 times ??????????? Once every year ??????????????????????
What we need to remember that there is a group set for everyone. A very true and valid points were raised at the end about mix and matching. Enjoyed it.👍
And I'm just sitting here thinking, nah, Altus I have is fine.
I have Altus with a Deore derailleur and couldn't be happier😂
Yeah a lot of what they've produced is just marketing, admittedly durability does play and important part but I think - more than anything, perfect adjustment and allignment makes the biggest difference
I have Altus but I want to upgrade for a 1x drivetrain so I might get a deore groupset
Just recently got a Giant City bike with Altus, and have to say, it is far less capable and feels far "cheaper" in its action than the SLX I run on three other MTBs. Fince for a City cruiser, but not to handle off road action.
@@vr4042 Have altus on my Vitus Nucleus hardtail. It shifts great but kinda slow, and after few hours of riding when the chain is gunked up the shifting gets really crappy, double shifts, not shifting at all, having to shift 2 times for 1 gear change etc. and the shifters are just rubbish. both shifters don't show what gear im in anymore and front derailleur shifter got completely destroyed from a small crash. Tbf its an entry groupset on a 650€ bike and I suspect it would work fine for a beginner. The lack of a clutch really sucks also, didn't realize how easy the chain comes of on rougher terrain. In hindsight I should have got the version with the 1x9 groupset and a clutch.
I have been traditionally a "blue collar" XT guy. In Jan 2020, I bought a FELT SUTPLUS-30 and almost immediately upgraded the 1x10 Deore drivetrain to the 1x12 XT (11-50), as well upgrading the Deore 2-piston brakes to the m8120 4-piston XT brakes. I know that I feel the difference in both the shifting of the drivetrain (especially to lower gears going into a climb), as well as the shifter itself, and a huge difference in brakes.
I have a 2015 INTENSE 27.5 with full XT. I upgraded to 1x11 XT with the 11-50 gearing and upgraded the brakes with ice-tech rotors and metalic pads.
Having said that. If I bought a 2020 bike or were looking to upgrade a Deore groupset bike. After watching this video, I would seriously look into SLX.
SLX with XT shifter was the sweet spot in the lineup, Deore with XT shifter might take that title now. Just need more microspline hubs out there, or better yet, conversion kits for existing hubs. Cost is also a big advantage over SRAM. Full XT costs around the same as GX Eagle, even though it is comparable to XO1. SLX costs slightly less than NX Eagle but is comparable to GX eagle. The new Deore costs slightly less than SX eagle, but blows NX eagle out of the water.
Nah slx groupset with the xt shifter is THEE sweet spot, hands down. You're saving half a pound in weight alone just going slx, amongst better performance and durability with th SLX drivetrain.
Racing downhill there is no difference. You could do without derailleur
Same here. Riding DH only. I don't have to bother about these Mech's and huge cassettes.
A DH world cup race has been won with no chain... so... lol
An average mans equipment is a poor mans luxury.
Hardtail party recommended a lower tier meck with an upgraded shifter. You don't feel the meck but the shifter feel is front center.
XT shifter is a common upgrade on SLX, and likely will be with this new 12 speed Deore. Mostly for both the double upshift and just better feel/durability. Deore or SLX with XT shifter is a great combo.
I'll add that holding the Deore and slx derailleurs side by side the only notable difference is the alloy inner jockey cage on the slx. The all steel cage on the Deore feels sturdier for a slight weight penalty.
Most of the Video was going down hill, It would have been nice to see it in action, like grinding out a shift or multi shifts on hard climbs or coming out of a corner.
I have XT parts on my ride...but started with six and slowly upgraded. All groups performed excellently. My best purchase was the XT shifter that introduced multiple shifts up and down...
I had some doubts about my Deore that I just bought worried about not being able to double shift. But now that I know it will do it on the downshift, I am stoked. I don't mind taking time to shift going up!!
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Love to see some KTMs in the mix!
(KTM Scarp Prime with XTR myself)
Conclusion; there's very little difference but Shimano paid us to say there is 😂
I'd go for the Deore and may consider an upgrade if I wear a part out or if something breaks - probably the shifter being top priority since it comes with a little fewer features. The weight difference is not too much of a concern if you're not into competitive racing. Hopefully we see fully built bikes next year coming with the new Deore set, rather than the SX Eagle.
atleast i trust Made in Japan
I've seen a lot of videos saying the deore brakes are just as good as xt just have a weight penalty. Tbh it's just snob show off factor. Pick what's best for you and forget snobbery and ENJOY YOUR RIDING
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
I have a 2x9 alivio/acera mix on my hardtail and I'm having fun with it.
my steel roadbike is 3x9 sora/alivio mix and don't know why but I ride it more often than my other roadbike with ultegra in it.
Until now, I still don't understand why people feels like they can't have fun unless they have the latest tech.
Gemilang Bayu Ragil Saputra I get what you mean but I couldn’t stand having anything lower end than a deore or sx
I am in the process of upgrading my trail bike to SLX 4 pistons, no real reason to go XT other than weight, and I'm not gonna weight weenie on an aluminum full sus trail bike with aluminum wheels.
@@Chronostra i have an alivio 3x9 on my hardtail and i hate it, it shifts like a sack of nuts really. it's only good for commuting to work 12km on the flat every day. i don't even think it's meant for moutainbiking. the good thing is, i don't have to maintain it since it doesn't make a difference anyway. don't even lube the chain more than once a year tbh and i replace stuff only when it literally breaks apart. deore is fine for me though.
@@dietznutz1 ah yes, it depends then. Like for example clutch RD is nice, even on deore.
My point is, top of the line parts doesn't equal fun.
There's waaay too much fluff and little info in this video.
Yes but the video sounds so elegant and smooth.
@@taylor8109 That's what she said...and cried after xD
Ktms aren't featured enough on this channel, glad to see em! - Salty KTM owner
As you may choose other drivetrain components according to the budget I would alsways recommend getting the XT shifter for the feel and multi release.
Can I just swap out the shifter? Do I need to reroute cables etc or is it just "plug and play"? I'm (hopefully, if they deliver on time) getting a new bike in January that's all SLX and the multishift into the higher gears seems like a nice thing when the trail gets faster and you want to quickly shift to get some power in for a jump or so.
Iam the type of guy running a mixed drive train. SLX cassette, Deore rear mech, XT chain and XTR shifter. Tried to balance performance, durability and cost. Wanted to go SLX rear mech but found no reason to do so. I’ve read its got externally adjustable clutch but that’s not true. Further a set of pulley wheels for XT is so cheap to get. Could be an future upgrade. I’m especially pleased with the shifter. Actuation force is so light compared to 11 spd. XT unit it replaced.
For me the DEORE groupset sounds really great! But my preference is the XTR- groupset.- Lightweigt, proper and reliable. If I would have to choose a cheaper option it would be the SLX- or the DEORE- groupset. Because in my opinion there is not a really big gap between SLX/XT and XT/XTR. Depending on how much money you would be ready to spend I would choose either the high- end XTR or SLX or if a would set my mark onto duability the DEORE would be my choice.
I run deore because I don't need anything more. I out ride my friends that use XTR.
Yeah it still depends on who rides the bike, we only buy a more decent groupset to optimize the ride; but if you're weak you won't outride anyone even on a bmx lol
0:25 that transition is so smooth !!!
GMBN editors should be paid millions
I run XT with SLX cassette on my hardtail- Awesome!!!
Got deore stuff on my handlebar, xls at the back. Works just fine for some years now.
6 months on XT 1x12 and no complaints.
I treated myself and went with full xt on my new Ripley. Before this I had a trek 26” hardtail with full deore from 2013. Deore, even from that time has worked exceptionally well. I’ll bet the new deore is even better. Personally, like depth of pockets, I think it also depends on how addicted you are to mtb. I originally wanted xtr, but couldn’t justify the huge price increase over xt...for me at least.
Shimano Deore crankset, SLX cassette, Shimano XT derailer and shifter.
That’s my set up. I love it.
mine too - very good combo
I am building my bike. Deore derailleur with XT shifter. Great video.
Nice! I got xt derailleur and slx shifter
I have both deore brakes and XT brakes on two separate bikes. Honestly I like the deore’s better... counterintuitive I know but they are more consistent. Only thing I like better on the XT is the textured lever. For cassettes and derailleur I always go XT or XTR lower end stuff does not hold up as well in my experience.
So to sum up the video: basically the difference between deore/slx/xt is weight + the xt shifter has 2-way up-shifts (shifts to smallet sprockets). So if you don’t care about few hundret grams, just get deore + xt shifter. What about the rear-mech upper chainwheel? On the older sets, xt (or xtr?) used to have bearings wich made it more precise on shifts.
#askGMBN can we get a video on how the videos are made, a behind the scenes of filming, voice-over, editing etc
Removed all the SRAM SX components from my 2020 Trance.
Now running XT shifter and derailure, slx cassette and the new deore crank.
Love it.
@John Smith didn't like the colour 😂😂😂😂😂
IF you're building yourself and not buying a complete bike off the shelf it's really a choice between XTR and XT. The price difference is vast but the performance and weight are minimal.
I don't bash my bikes around so I stick to XTR (apart from once and never again trying Sram). Sentimentally I get attached to my bikes so I hardly ever sell them. I'm a firm believer in the N+1 rule. Besides there's little point in selling as bikes usually plummet in value. Having a collection of bikes is great especially when mates from interstate or abroad visit.
Okay and why should one get XTR for something other than what you describe as sentimental value? I mean for you it probably doesn't matter much because it seems like you need to find ways to dump cash, but it seems like you're recommending XTR even though you said it's expensive yet little better.
Fair play to the editor🙌
You forgot to mention the instant release feature on xt/xtr shifter. For me that's the most noticeable difference while shifting
I just ordered the XT groupset a few hours ago for my new build 👌
Where did you find it in stock?
Russell Taylor at bike-components.de
Noah E Nordest Bardino 2. Slack hardtail.
I ordered my 5 piece xt groupset last month on a 55% discount😎. I've been riding it 3 weeks, and I can conclusively say it's the best drive-train I've ever used. A lovely piece of kit.
William Galloway nice to hear I can’t wait for everything to show up so I can start building 😎
I want to point out, lighter generally makes LESS durable. The chain rings will eat into the free hub and become impossible to replace. They also wear faster. XTR is made for racing and they basically swap cassettes and chains every race. The setup lacks durability for those that like to hammer on their bike especially if you like climbing.
Every review I've seen on new Deore misses two real points, because they focus only on the 12 speed and imply that it's only for bikes that have 142+ rear axle. The biggest great thing comes in two places I think: The first being that they now offer a rear microspline hub that fits 135mmQR dropouts, ie, all beginner frames, and the 11 speed 11-51 cassette fits on a normal HG spline hub - which means it can go on pretty much any bike, without having to get a new hub or wheelset.
So replace a hub on a super cheap entry level bike and you can get 10-51 12 speed at reasonable price.
Upgrade just the cassette to the 11 speed 11-51 and that's a huge range increase from most entry level bikes that may have say, 11-36.
So really, it's two things - reasonable price, and compatibility to upgrade for literally anyone.
I also really like the i-spec EV shifter that includes the gear readout. I know most people don't care about it but I like to be able to see and confirm which gear I'm in, and the I-spec cleaning up the cockpit (presuming compatible brakes) is awesome.
Xt is what i got on my mtb. So happy i got it. Broke the bank even with discounts that my local bike shop gave me. 380$!!! But it all works so well i dont have to worry i just ride and shift. Ive been able to go faster ride harder i just love it
Im here watching and thinking of my Tourney TX is prolly fine with me.
I run di2 Ultegra on my road bikes and am a bit of a groupset snob really. Then I bought an MTB to do some XC races for some cross training and a bit of fun. I was only looking for a mid-level bike so settled for Deore with some apprehension - but holy shit, this bad boy is bomb-proof. It doesn’t matter what you throw at it, it just goes and goes and goes with only the minimum of maintenance and I often outlast my opponents on better bikes that suffer mechanical issues. Sometimes simple-done-well is the answer.
Still with a (mostly) 975 xtr group, with dual control shifters and low normal rear mech. So much fun to ride!
After messing about with my bike set up, buying a older frame, I brought everything deore. Was an 8 speed cassette. I purchased an xt m760 cassette, 11/34. But had an issue, it was moving around on the cartridge, I then brought an hg400 cassette, pretty cheap. But was only about 90g heavier, but had the exact ratios. Sticking with a 2 chain ring set up, a 28t & 36t. I have a pretty gd range for light xc, or trails. Works well. My choice was not just looks, it was price also.
One advantage of being older... having the money to spring for XTR :)
I agree 100%. Although I would say the same about XT. When you have the money for an XT fitted bike you just dont want to bother with lower tier group-sets. I just upgraded my "old" XT mechs with new XTR. The one place where I draw the line are with the cassette. XTR cassette are priced as if it was made of pure gold and its a wear-component that you want to swop out again and again times during the lifespan of your bike.
@@cookingconfessions Agree! XT is great stuff. Having just bought a 2021 Santa Cruz Tallboy I chose the SRAM X01 build over the lower priced XT-equipped bike. One thing that surprised me was the HUGE weight difference between the brakes...like the XT's were almost twice as heavy for their 4-piston brakes vs the X01's. That's crazy. But all good stuff! We're lucky :)
My gf dad got a 3x10 XTR and its still incredible, holds up better than my brand new Sram SX
The editing of this video and the summary at the end pretty much sums this video up and pretty the whole cycling industry. When comparing most brands and their different tiers, its all the same but price and weight. Yes all the wieght adds up but so does the cost man. I get it, if we dont spend on the higher tier then they wont have much money to create and innovate.... but i has to be said this is refreshing compared to GCN that are just pushing the most expensive stuff out there...
Doody of a doozy! Just a quick moment to recognize the upper lip sweater! As use English say, looks quite dapper! Dig the new look!
Ha! Guess this was old one! Like me! New to the youtube! Thought subscribing would give me the more relevant ones. Haha! Anyways, cheers!
I like to buy parts, which I do not need to worry about. My bikes are around 800-1300 eur price range and I can ride them where I want and lock them and leave them there without worrying too much that they would be stolen/damaged (that is related to my area [Finland] of course also). To me the 1000 EUR/bike is around the sweet spot where bikes are good enough for me without too much worry for them. Therefore Deore, Tiagra and perhaps 105 are the groupsets that have the best draw for me.
Saint shifter + XT brakes paired to the XT rear mech is an amazing combo. Works for me!
I setup XT wheels, brakes and crankset with SLXs. Works sweet!
I haven't spent the big bucks on a bike, so I'm a Deore guy. Biggest complaint is that the rear gearset needs adjustment more often, I either loose 10th or 1st gear every now and then. I'm also still rocking 2x10, and had a horrendous FSA crankset from stock. And that was by far the worst component on the whole bike. Changed it for a Deore FC-M6000-2 this year (Couldn't bring myself to spend 3 times the money for a 1x11/1x12 on that bike) and I've now stopped complaining about 2x gearsets, it's really good!
I'd recommend Deore or SLX everything, but with an XT shifter and (important) an XT bottom bracket for typical mountain bikers.
The XT shifter brings the double shift-down, which the lower tiers don't have, and the bottom bracket is a few quid more but more durable. I managed to crack my SLX bottom bracket within a few months of riding.
Okay, if weight saving is a big thing, go for XTR cranks and cassette. Everything else is nice to have, but progressively expensive.
Got SRAM GX on my bike and never again. CANT wait for XT to be back in stock again
I’ll mix and match with slx and xt
I still ride my 2x10 with mix of Deore / XT ... But bought M8100 brakes for my HT, therefore i am going to change my shifters to DEORE (M4100 + M5100), to attach them with i-spec EV and i will update my HT with dropper seatpost. So i actually need to update shifters for better cockpit layout and look. Changing complete drivetrain on my older bike makes no sense (price of bike itself was 900€).. But i really appreciate progress, that is in bike industry and one day, when i change my bike, i go for XT 1x12
Thanks for sharing your honest review it means a lot to all mtb user all over th world..
4:46 talks about microspline and shows center lock rotor mount...
He's talking about the hub, not the brake rotor.
@@adamh5075 The narrator is talking about the micro spline free hub but the footage is showing the center lock rotor mount. Yes it is a hub but not the right detail.
@@pregardt The hub is in the middle of the screen, the mount in the bottom right of it.
My groupset is a shimano altus m310.. with a proper caring it runs flawlessly in almost any condition..
The issue with M310 is that it can only shift 7 or 8 gears, and can only take a 34 tooth casette. It also breaks super easily when hit by a stick.
I would do just fine with the Deore groupo, but I would really like the double upshift of the XT controller! I really miss that on my current bike.
Dont care much about weight, as I could stand to shed 40Kg of myself first! Haha...
That is 40 000 grams off, so +/- 50g on some random part doesn't really matter.
Haven't got the 'big guns' pockets but for 20 years now I've kept to XTR, durability is outstanding in COMPARISON to anything I've used. My 2008 giant carbon's still wearing the exact same complete XTR Group as 10,000 miles ago, still shifts as slick as the day they were fitted and haven't had to fettle once that I can recall, literally bled the breaks once, the day I fitted. If you stick with a bike for years the true values in xtr IMO! Just see me post my mangled m960 rear mech tomorrow 😉
Good to hear
Voy a actualizar mi bici 3x8 a 1x10 con Shimano M4100. Espero ansioso a que llegue el conjunto para instalarlo.
I'm upgrading my 3x8 bike to 1x10 with Shimano M4100. I'm looking forward to the set arriving so I can install it.
Slightly off topic but I have the shimano saint groupset and I love it
ok but 0:26 that transition was CLEANNNN
I have a GT bike that came with an 11-speed Deore drivetrain. I upgraded to an XT shifter for a measly $50.
I mix both. When it comes to road bikes I also mix 105 and dura ace. It depends how far your money can go.
Deore M6000 user here. Running 11-46t on a 1x10 setup.
Go for the 4100 series. Keep the 10 speed set up. And you don't need to change yr hub spline the cassette goes on.
The quality of the video is lower than expected for GMBN. Drivetrain comparison with mostly riding downhill scenes? Not much about shifting performance. Not much about when you would choose one over the other. Or it got lost between the non-sensical scenes. It feels like you could do better.
When my sram is done ill be matchmaking with shimano still a few months to go yet 👍
all you have to do is pedal up a climb and shifter to a lower gear while putting a lot of force into your pedals. you'll break something on a sram drivetrain doing that. then boom, shimano upgrade warranted.
Removed all the SRAM SX components from my 2020 Trance.
Now running XT shifter and derailure, slx cassette and the new deore crank.
Love it.
@@AndyTheBluesHarp did you have any problems with the sx?
@@ast5o499 shifter, crank, and cassette were fine, the derailure is a major weak point (read pile of crap). Within 50 miles of lockdown riding (road and level dirt tracks) the upper jockey had 3mm of play in it. The cable guide also clashes with jockey cage in 12th gear.
Swapping the jockey wheels out for after market bearing types would increase reliability massively.
Bottom line though, the sx derailure is junk.
@@ast5o499 thing is, I'm an amputee, I can ride a lot further than I can walk.
Shimano is just more reliable full stop. Last thing I need is a drive train component crapping itself 10 miles from the car/home. Hence I swapped the lot out.
How do they squeeze more gears on the cassette, are the chain and cassette chain rings thinner to fit on the same size hub?
That's right! There is also a new freehub body, Microspline
I’m running SLX groupset on my Trance X 29 and it’s everything I need. Takes the abuse I give it so I can’t see the money in XTR.
Just build a Yeti Arc with a mix of SLX and XT as well and only put the XT on due to only being like $40 more and being available
Love the Deore o my Alma. Don't need more for my use.
I have a xt 1x10, works nice, but because it is old it doesn't shift perfectky anymore in the rear, when I shift up or down by one it often doesn't shift, but when it gets a tcik by a bunnyhop or something semilair it does shift, anyone know what is the problem??
It's time now! Im excited about getting a bike with a combo of XT shifter/derailleur & SLX crank/cassette. XT brake levers on MT520 4-pot calipers.
My Giant Trance X 29er 🚴🚴
Pretty happy with my XT/SLX mix on my Sight! Even got the XT wheels to go with it.
Mix and match. I've had everything from Alivio to XTR - no problems.
Top tip: spend the bucks on the shifter (XT or XTR), that's where you will feel and notice any difference. I would also argue that the cassette is worth spending more on than the rear derailleur, as it will save more weight per buck.
Another consideration, durability. On some super aggressive enduro build where durability > weight, that Deore cassette is probably the most durable of the bunch.
I'm rocking the SLX now, but I'm thinking about looking into swapping the shifter for an XT or XTR for better placement options relative to my brake lever. The SLX is a bit bulky and I can't quite get it where I want it.
As a Deore user, I'm quite happy. Using it for XC and trailing. But I'm probably going for the SLX if I decide to upgrade and don't want to break my wallet.
so it's, SLX cassette, Deore derailour, XT shifter. (sorry for poor spelling)
Love the mix and match SLX Shifters XT rear mech works for me ,thanks Neil
they are all great drivetrains. I think the DEORE is the entry level groupset, the SLX is the value groupset, the XT is bing a good middle ground between the value SLX and the highest end flagship XTR groupset, and the XTR being the highest end flagship groupset.
Building a hardtail. I choose the deore complete system.
I would love if you guys made a video about good budget friendly bikes. Don’t know if you’ve done this before, but....
Doddy's just done a 'How to buy a bike' video on Tech you can watch here: gmbn.tech/HowToBuyABike but we don't actually do reviews so the subject of 'which bike is best for the money' isn't going to happen
Cool video! Especially if you not familiar with the modern Shimano range. Thanks, guys! 🔥
Did he say the xt shifter is the place where you can shift both ways....thumb or finger to up shift???
I was confused on that too...
Also works on my old SLX shifters. XT lets you shift down an extra gear at one press I believe
I believe the Deore Lineup is made in Malaysia why it got the cost down while the slx, deore xt, and xtr are all made in Japan
Any confirmations on this?
I miss the DnB soundtracks you guys used in your older videos.
Waiting for budget full suspension bikes with deore 12 speed. I'll never touch SRAM. Too unreliable.
Take a look at Ibis ripmo af with the deore build
What about their *brakes?!*
Most of the riding here would've been a good opportunity for showcasing brakes!
Deore brakes aren't out yet, they release in August.
Brakes are part of the groupset, not the drivetrain.
Very intrigued about the Deore line of brakes, but right now SLX looks like the clear winner of price/performance. Very little weight difference and features between the 2 (SLX/XT) and BOTH are ~20% more braking power then the old model M8000 XT brakes
@mrv...:
The 6100's?! Just ordered a set *yesterday!* Today's status: "shipped"!
@Shahne...:
Correct! But the riding they were showing was suited to review brakes _more_ than it was for testing drivetrains - barely any uphill sections! What's the takeaway here: _"yea, more/less chain slap makes it (not so) quiet due to (lack of) clutch performance"_
What's next? Brake reviews going uphill?! _("brakepads ain't rattling in the calipers and they're SO light, i barely noticed'em")_ 😆
@Spencer:
Depends what you go for - lever feel changes drastically as you go up the tiers. Keep hearing the new XT is quite "digital" and needs a skilled finger to be modulated appropriately.
Would also like to see brake comparison in addition to that video. From images to me the 6100 callipers seem to be the MT501 4 pots. SLX looks like XT and XTR, just with different finish each. The Loam Wolf made a video where a Shimano sales person states performance wise the three are the same. At that time Deore wasn’t released.
I've got a 2018 top end bike with every bell and whistle component, and a 2020 entry level bike, riding these back to back there's very little difference, in gear shift, drive train and suspension. The only noticeable real world difference is the hub engagement with the cheaper v the top end. Buy a decent brand entry level MTB and fit a good set of tubeless wheels.
Currently I'm using xt drivetrain with slx brakes and hubs
running and SLX groupset, but considering upgrading in certain places with XTR mixed in with and SLX Refresh
I gotta be honest nothing beats the SRAM shifter
Just got the 2020 trek fuel ex 5 came with the deore 1x10 drive train for the money of the complete bike I must say it has disappointed me at all. Been able to tackle some steep climbs. I think I’m in no rush to upgrade but will wear it out 1st then upgrade
Man I think I am becoming more and more of a Shimano fan, already switching from Guide R brakes to SLX and once my drivetrain starts wearing I might be converting to the SLX group set as well..