FS2020: Rolling Cache - Does It Really Make A Difference In Photogrammetry Areas?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- A video that I should've made a long time ago - here I show you how the rolling Cache can really help improve your Flight Sim experience!
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⌚Timestamps⌚
Introduction: (0:00)
London Cache turned off: (1:34)
London Cache turned on: (8:09)
New York Cache Turned off: (14:15)
New York Cache Turned on: (18:57)
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Informative as usual Thank You from BC Canada with some of the best places for Bush Flying.
I'll have to virtually visit.
Very good explanation for newbies 👍
Thank you.
You made me chuckle with the Commodore 64 days, I had it as well, 1 frame per 2 seconds around Niagara Falls in Ontario, Canada lol. We've come a long way 🙂
We certainly have :)
Great video as usual Huddison!! Thanks for the shout out on the Livery.. lol Haven't done liveries in a while now. So glad you're enjoying it to this day! 😎
Anyway, As some have eluded to, yes, the rolling cache is "Rolling" meaning when it's full, it will overwrite the oldest existing data with new scenery if you fly to many places.
So if you spent a week flying in London, then a week in Scotland or wherever, you may have to "RE-render" London in the rolling cache.
Also, as some earlier mentioned, That field is the "Murray Bergtraum Softball Field" Associated with the Murray Bergtraum High School for business.
Great explanations as usual my friend!
Hope you're staying safe with the heat issues in London area, and the fires aren't near you.
Thanks Aces; it's going to be a whole lot cooler today - thankfully! ;)
Twins in mind 😉. Like every good VFR Pilot, intook my Mal of, search Statue of Liberty and then the "two Bridges" crossing.
Looks Like wenlearnes a lot of stuff Here 😎👍
Thx for the tip, becauze I been struggling with a pretty new system, running Nvidia RTX3070 with a mix of ultra and high settings and 40gb+ download Internet, ethernet cabled to the back of my broadband router, for max download speed and I still noticed that the melted houses effect has come back while flying over both London and in Germany, that started during the last two updates, for me.
My third time coming back to this video. There'll be a hiccup in my cable internet for a few weeks, so I'll be hot-spotting through my phone. I'm gathering low-altitude rolling cache of designated areas during the next couple days in a fast, zig-zagging plane. Then I'll fly them at my leisure in bush and stunt planes. Incidentally, The Bonneville Salt Flats is a great place to practice STOL, skimming, inverted, etc. Arid, solid horizon line, and absolutely flat. Sky-writing is a special gas. But I digress. I'm more confident in the rolling process than using the manual function. I'll post and update regarding the results. Thanks again, Mr. Huddison. Not only have you influenced my learning curve, but my social perspective as well. I actually fly "live" sometimes. Now, if only I could find a Jennifer Love Hewitt avatar, I'd turn on the copilot, too. Literally. Be well. Respects.
Thanks and yes, please do let us know your findings.
I have my cache set to 200Gbyte, on a 3TB mechanical drive and it works perfectly.
Nice one thanks great channel
Appreciated, thanks.
Nice, it might help me fly over my house in West London without it looking like a blitz survivor.
Just FTR we don't call it downtown London. They did try and rebrand some of London as midtown back in 2010 but people tutted so it never caught on. ;)
When I manually cached central Tokyo at high quality it took 7 Gigs.
Just central, none of the surrounding cities or suburbs.
If you want the rolling cache to work across a city (or especially more than one city) I would give it at least 64GB.
Another interesting video, thanks. However, on X-Box at least, I have found that unless you fly over the same area more that once, the RC does nothing at all. I currently am flying loads of different routes in my TBM930 and have had the RC turned off for some time now. I tend to stay out of London presently as it can cause CTD's on the x-box, hoping SU10 will help fix that. One other thing - the recommended cache size is 16gb, its in the Microsoft notes somewhere. Happy flying ;)
Good tip, thanks.
no issues with london here today, totally not melted, best i ever seen it. most crashes coem form third partie sceneries.
When FS2020 released they said you could preload by sitting on some menu or something and waiting before flying. I need to look that info up when I get around to adding the cache drive.
Pre-load the immediate area when it first loads into the cutscenes of your aircraft.
Informative as ever mate, I'd turned it off after clearing as clearing the cache had a hugely positive effect on fps for me...but my Internet speed is not great. I'll turn it back on and see how it goes. I cannot play with photogrammetry on either unfortunately
Rolling cache seems to be the ideal solution for you.
Thanks. I'll have to experiment with this again. I fly in VR only. Oh, speaking of Lady Liberty. Can you image how awesome it is to orbit her in real life? A few years ago, I flew a Cessna Skyhawk (172SP) around her at 800 AGL! Counter-clockwise orbits. What a treat. 😅 A couple of orbits, then over Governor's Island, East River Northbound with permission from LaGuardia tower. ATC instructed me to climb to 1500 MSL (Bravo airspace), then allowed me to cross Central Park to rejoin the Hudson River northbound. An absolute thrill flying in this area and I'm so fortunate. That baseball field near the Manhattan Bridge was definitely not Yankee Stadium, lol. I'm not sure which one it is, but I think it's just a local field. Yankee stadium and City Field are the two major baseball stadiums in NYC. They are further northeast of where you were in the video. Baseball bores the heck out of me, haha. When I was a kid, I was in summer camp and went to a game at Shea Stadium (City Field was built years later to replace it). The only thing I remember enjoying about that trip, was watching the airplanes departing and landing at LaGuardia Airport (right next to the stadium). 😂
I love Baseball personally; although I'm not a huge fan of cricket strangely enough!
What a flight experience that must've been for you 😮
That's great. Yes it's a highly popular sport and major form of entertainment. Yeah I've never been a sports guy, but I understand. I guess the closest I can relate to sports is my occasional enjoyment of an Indy car race and the Redbull air race. 😅. I got my PPL at Teterboro airport (KTEB) in New Jersey in 1998 and my very first flight was a scenic flight over the Hudson at 1000 AGL. I fell in love with the area and made several trips along the route over the years!
Thanks!
No problem!
That is Murry Bergtraum Softball Field.
Let’s not dilly dally said Thomas to the fat controller. Very informative video thanks 👍 I just can’t get past the accent 😂😂
I actually had the same problem, every time I said something in work for months someone would say the fat controller line. There’s a guy I can’t remember his name and he has to tone his accent down for his American audience, I remember one of his videos him forgetting and remembering half way through there was only the north west in uk who could understand him 😂😂 good video though, I found if I’m flying over new areas constantly I turn it off but I’m basing myself in an area for some time I have it turned on
23:33 "everything's rendered" block bridge. Good comparison tho
Murry Bergtraum High School Softball Field (but they also play baseball there).
Thanks.
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I’ve had this issue from the very beginning. I’ve had MSFS for a year now. If I fly for a while 30 min or so I lose control of my aircraft. The pitch jumps up the plane noses up and I can’t regain control. It happens repeatedly. It’s almost like it’s a glitch. Anyone experience this type of issue?
Hello, HUD. I will try the Rolling Cache for my flights around Kansas City and Los Angeles. Nice to avoid the “nuked third-world city” look. 😝
You'll definitely notice the difference with the Rolling Cache turned on.
Any idea of the max? I'm ok with giving it 2TB of NVME but if 4+ would help I'd do it. I'm a storage guy.
Not certain of the max, give it a try ;)
Having a little trouble understanding: does this permanently put the area on your hard drive? If you fly to different areas must you fly over the new area several times, and if so does this replace what is already in your cache? Thanks for an informative video!
It will cache your must recent flights & yes, flying over the same area a few times will cache it on the hard drive space you've allowed (it will also overwrite if the cache becomes full).
Ok! Thanks so much for rapid reply and all the information, really helps me understand much better. Computer cripple here, learning lots every day, your videos help immensely!
@@beescan22 Thanks Bill.
I've tried using Rolling Cache to keep flying around Brighton and Hove area, but regardless of having it ON or OFF, everytime I load a flight there and start flying around, everything looks terrible on the ground, so I feel like it's not doing absolutely anything.. is the rolling cache supposed to work only where Photogrametry works too? Is this meant only for big cities or everywhere? Thanks
It's meant to work for everywhere; try flying around the area several times and see if that makes a difference.
Try downtown chicago. I always get it loading whenever I fly over it. Will give this a try if it solves it.
You've nothing to lose by giving it a try.
I got mine set at 100 and haven't problems since
I read about it, it says if run out of those 10 gb some of the older data will be overwritten. Those with slower connections may want to secure larger storage allowance.
Excellent - thanks my friend 👍
great vid ill give that rolling cache a tryone thing what do u call a good internet speed for flight sim my speed is down load 105 mbps
Recommended is 50 mbs.
If you fly the same region a lot it makes sense. Though if your like me a fly every part of the world. I have rolling cache. Keeping in mind you do need fast Internet..
Good points.
I have mine set to 32 on my series x, but I'm seeing people suggesting sticking with 8. I am now more confused 😂
without Official Asobo input, It's difficult to say what is the best value to set it at.
If it works for you, keep it at 32gig :)
I don't install the pack for British citys photography as Londons terrible though Tokyo is amazing , I hear they are going to improve it in the future
I've heard rumours that the upcoming Sim Update will improve it.
Will that cache files stay on the hard drive or will it be deleted again, once you fly in a different area?
I believe it overwrites.
Interesting video about the cache file, thanks. What about the manual cache. I selected the London area in high resolution for downloading (I have a 20 MBit connection at the moment). It took about 20 minutes to download a little over 100 MB (!). I don't know what it downloaded, apparently not gigabytes of data. My idea is to download the photogrammetry data of the area of interest in a cache file, so not to rely on your internet speed when flying over, so a one and done download for that area, until you run out of disk space.
And what about saving the rolling cache file for a particular area, and rename it to a manual cache file, in order to have various cache files for places of interest. Would that work?
I toyed with the manual cache back when the sim first released, but never got far with it.
I do intend to revisit it again soon.
@@Huddison When I use the rolling cache I get after a short time that I don't have enough bandwidth (so 20 MBit is not enough..). I thought let's download the area first by selecting the area of interrest, but manual cache so far is a mystery. Anyway thanks.
Actually 72 MBps..
My FS2020 hangs-up when I select Rolling Cache ON with (say) 10GB. Just tells me it takes several minutes to empty. Taking an eternity.
Try deleting the cache manually in your MSFS folder on your hard drive. See if that helps.
what if the rolling cache reaches its storage limit? will it erase the previous flight area and update to recent area render?
Yes, I believe that is effectively what will happen.
Is there still an option to download whole areas? How's it when you download say the main part of London. Also I still get loading issues on a gigabit connection
Yes you can do that via manual cache. I've not covered this (as of yet) & it's a lot more complex to set up.
@@Huddison I have 100MB/sec and just use the default 8GB rolling cache and everything looks superb! X Box Series X here.
Having rolling cache enabled was causing me to have major stutters in and around airports. I turned in off and now its as smooth as butter . Its not just me I see lots of others complaining as well. Turn of the rolling cache problem solved??
Things seemed to have been altered with it, since the past couple of updates - still testing.
How do you create new manual rolling cache and install it ? I can not add any numbers on manual cache when I click view. ! Thank you. !
Is that on Xbox or PC? I remember recent talk about this on our Discord.
@@Huddison no , PC
@@calinutza33 They are separate entities: manual and rolling cache - which one are you trying to configure? Might be best jumping onto Discord about this.
It looks the same to me Mark? Have you tried a manual add set to high res?
It's James btw ;) I may try that, but the rolling cache certainly can make a difference.
@@Huddison oops! Sorry James I'd just been watching Huddison and got confused! S
Xbox Series X here. 100MB/sec and I run default 8GB rolling Cache and flying the Asobo Cessna 172S over London I get no pop up, no melting of buildings and a much higher frame rate than what I see there with rolling cache off or on. And the runway centreline is all pixelated? I did notice you have vehicles on the ground on. I run no vehicles, fauna or boats etc......... They are for FS 2032 when we have 100 times the computational power in the current 2022.
That sounds great.
@@Huddison I can't wait!
okay maybe someone her eaca nhelp me, i cannot set a custom rolling chache area. it allways goes back to paris and all the ptions insise the "manual cache" menu are greyed out. deleting aand turning off the rolling chache does absolutely nothing.
Ask in our Discord about this (link in the description).
In this video, do you also have graphics set to Ultra?
On PC, can one still download entire London area to hard drive 💾. Not rolling cache but download ultra resolution of a certain area?
Plus adding rolling cache.
Are those 99% loaded fully to enjoy flying over?
I wished they added that feature to xbox users the ability to download favorite areas to hard drive before hand..
I used to be part of the official Microsoft flight simulator discord until I argued strongly that a large rolling cache helps tremendously especially on Xbox. The moderators and admin‘s of that page were so ignorantly dismissive of my arguments that they banned me for 30 days!
That sounds quite severe.
@@Huddison It was extremely harsh. If i could only post your video I would!!
it does nothing to me tho, expereinces differ.
I have flown the same path in New York about 5 times and it all looks the same. That apocalyptic look. Xbox series s. Fast internet with 20gb cache on. So frustrating Bc I love the game.
I have my set to 20GB on xbox series x you think 20GB is enough?
For several cities yes.
Is it worth having on if every flight is a different city?
You can do, just be aware though that it will overwrite the cache when it gets full.
Personally speaking, no. It only helps if you make the same flight more than once. I leave mine off now as it also removes the system burden of writing that data to storage.
The ball field is a high school softball field.
Ah thank you!
Yep... Yankee Stadium is in the Bronx (just north of Manhattan) and the Mets play at City Field over in Flushing/Queens (east of Manhattan). Fly over either, and you won't confuse a HS field for them.
My buildings look like that with the rolling cache on and I can't work out why. I have 10Gb rolling cache enabled!
What platform are you running MSFS on? There are lots of bugs around currently.
@@Huddison Win 10 PC
@@Jim610 You could try deleting the Rolling Cache, disabling it (restart) then re-enable to see if that helps.
SU11 brought a host of new bugs our way unfortunately.
@@Huddison I do the disable/delete/restart every update. This has been an issue for me since the beginning, long before SU11. Wouldn't mind if I was running a low spec GFX card but I'm using 3090!
@@Jim610 Something is not right there Jim - try our Discord: lots of very helpful brains in there.
Microsoft should just fix their servers! It's a complete clownshow having a game, that is so dependent on streaming and they give us such a bad infrastructure! Even the Top Gun Challenges are a joke since November.
It's long overdue
i just wish they could fix the trees. if anything that throws me off more to see a forest in a city than a badly render building
Or trees on the threshold of runways 🙁
Is there any real advantage to manually caching an area?
I've never gone into any great depths re manual caching; perhaps a future video.
@@Huddison Thanks. I have 500GB fiber internet, and my buildings still usually look they're post nuclear Armageddon .
I am wondering why this is not working on my system. Buildings and trees looks like a warzone. Even with caching role on 35Gb or even more.
Few days a go it worked (after a long time no playing of this crappy bug) and now again. Same ugly buildings.
It can be somewhat hit or miss for some. I'll take another look at the Rolling Cache in the future.
What is your internet speed?
At the location I recorded this: around 20 Mbps up & 10 Down.
@@Huddison that xplains everything, there is no issues with higher speeds at all, i notice nada diff, even without a lil better
weird you have london photogrammetry with everything on, I dont with everything on...
Can you explain a little more?
@@Huddison its the updates fault I suppose
Rolling Cache does make a difference in 1080P & mine hasn't worked since the last update
Are you asking a question?
@@Huddison Just thought someone might know if there is a fix for that
@@wrongwayfeldman5393 Are you flying on Xbox or PC? Ensure you have enough free space on your internal hard drive.
@@Huddison I'm on PC, The rolling cache would just go 100% in a split second & freeze up then I had to restart MSFS,it never did that until update 10 & it took around 5 minutes for that but it didn't do the 100% this time I think I got it.Looks like it works now, must be a glitch
@@Huddison I'm on PC, The rolling cache would just go 100% in a split second & freeze up then I had to restart MSFS,it never did that until update 10 & it took around 5 minutes for that but it didn't do the 100% this time I think I got it.Looks like it works now, must be a glitch
there is no doubt that rolling cache works i have mine set at 32 gb's and i would not consider less
I'll be taking mine up to that amount too!
Like your very helpful videos but you keep jerking the camera around in this one that I can't focus on what you were trying to show us, its quite annoying keep moving the view around.