Did the Maura in the simulation takes over the body of the real Maura (presumed in spaceship)? Because she it looked surprised. I think this spaceship is also a simulation & True reality will be revealed in the final episode of the series.
Ref Dark … The cigarette vending machines at bus stops were spot-on. The sadism of the 50s (post war reaction) was spot-on. The inaction of the people- breathtaking. The joke about the elephant was the only time that Germans cracked the surface on humor, the rest of the series was too deadpan - although hey for me it’s clear why Germans aren’t funny (I’m Dutch-Jewish). The absolutely accent-less German was not believable. Nobody locking their doors was not believable. The police fArce in winden wasn’t believable. Apparently no time machines work between 1921 and 1953. Hmmmm, I wonder why.
I hope its just a cover since now its set in 2099 so they could be saying that 1899 is finished but 2099 is the new continuation of the show. But this is unlikely sadly.
When I watched “Making 1899” and realized how many different languages they where speaking I was AMAZED. They couldn’t understand each other but somehow it seemed like they could from their body language. This is the type of show I love. Sci-fi/ thriller/ mind bending show!! There are tons of hidden meanings and symbolisms in the show, this is the type of show you can watch twice and still catch things you didn’t notice the first time
I noticed in the last episode that the characters began to understand each other as they were hearing languages they didn't speak or have any direct knowledge of.
@@yarkovskaya is that due to the amount of dif languages? or their complexity? cause i speak only 3 languages but if i watch smth where they change between them its kinda whatever its the same for me as if they would speak in the same one
I don’t think anything can top Dark, even for them. Ever since Dark ended, I’ve been patiently waiting for 1899 and it was well worth the wait. I love how they seamlessly mix some of my favorite genres together. Now I can’t wait for season 2!
@@jonfreeman9682 well after the first season of the serien, i cant tell you if it was better at all. I guess you need to see all 3 and then u can come to a conclusion. But for the first season, i would say it was good, but first season Dark was better, for me i could cstch the feeling better in Dark and in Dark the character where better written, i would say. But that means not that 1899 is bad written its good, it has a gloomy feeling and i binged it instantly.
@@jonfreeman9682 nothing can top DARK since it came first, but that doesn’t mean 1899 is worse, it just had to follow something so great. 1899 did fill the void left by the ending of DARK.
@@sirsinclair5247 Ok so you're saying dark is pretty awesome then I'll give it a second go. I tried watching it but got tired of reading subtitles so gave up but I think 1899 is amazing so I'm gonna checkout dark again. I really enjoyed 1899 because of its high production quality with authentic looking 19th century steam ships and sci-fi visuals plus I could not guess where the story was going. I like unpredictable stories. I thought it was a haunted ghost ship, then vampires, then a plague, then Bermuda triangle, then time portals to other dimensions, so could not tell where it was going. Had me guessing right to the end. If dark is just as good then I'm gonna have to check it out. Thanks.
@@jezebulls ok I'm definitely gonna have to checkout dark because I loved 1899. It was fantastic story that even if we don't get a second season it's amazing just with one season. I like TV shows you can't predict where it's going.
i kinda love that this is a slow burn and we are slowly revealing things. I didn’t feel impatient while watching, I am just happy to be along for the ride and trying not to connect things to Dark. I did predict a few things that happened (not the very end though) but that didn’t bother me bc the acting, storytelling, set pieces…etc. are all fantastic. i can’t wait for Season 2! will be watching everyone’s break downs until it comes 🥲
It's friggin amazing. Sucked me in on first episode. I couldn't predict where it's going. Thought it was going to be like the Terror or Titanic, then thought it was vampires with that creepy Goth looking hubby, then thought it was plague or haunted ghost 👻 ship, then figured it was Bermuda triangle with time travel and portal to other dimensions... LoL
@@jithin.691 Well the cool thing about the show is it's a big sci-fi mystery box that keeps you guessing right up to the end. But at the end we see what happened so it'll be tough to come up with a second season because we learn the mystery already. LoL
Did anyone else notice how angel said that the birds way up high in the sky are in their own prison and then they were in a space ship hooked up to mind simulations.
I was pretty bummed they didn't choose more obscure music to fit the mood. Plus, I wanted to be introduced to some new music to get hooked on. I did love the song, "Child of Time," in episode 2. All the rest were a bit too pop culture. Loved the show though.
Yes the ending of episodes songs were completely out of place. If felt like they threw a dart at top songs on board and decided to end the episodes with them. Kicked me out of the episodes every time.
right? I don't care if they take longer to make the second season but as long as they take their time to polish everything and not fall into rush works that will F up the show.
I think laura did not wake up to reality but rather to another simulation! As you mentioned. Read these lines from episode 8 when Mr. Singleton is telling Elliot a memory of his daughter: One evening she came to me and said, "If it's true what Plato argues, then how do we know if anything is real?" How do we know that the actual reality isn't outside the life we're living?" It was a mighty big thought for a girl her age. I looked at her and asked her, "Isn't that what God is? The creator of our reality?" She thought about it for a moment. And then she answered, "But then it's the world God is living in that's real and we are just his doll's house. And then again, who created God? Doesn't it go on endlessly?"
Exactly like movie The 13 Floor. A prison for our minds. Matrix style. The movie is made for the people to question reality, which i think is a good thing.
@Jase I think the biggest hint or evidence of some kind of simulation , or holographic universe is the concept of synchronicity.... Very weird stuff , i am thinking about a fake reality for example and on the radio plays a song about "reality is fake" , this is one example from 10000 of things like this .... Glitches in the matrix, people that are very similar to other people , stuff like this. Not many are seeing these things tbh.
In my opinion they were astronauts headed to explore the universe. Due to the long journey, they were put to sleep and hooked up to a simulator to pass time. She accidentally woke up, so now she's stuck awake in a spaceship. There's actually an old Twilight Zone episode with the same concept.
Two things I notice: - Maura is the only one where the « wake up » is her father’s voice and not her voice - Also in the 1st episode she says « today is 19-…1899. » So I think the 2099 is also a simulation and her real timeline is somewhere in the 1900s (probably 1999).
but then again maybe the old TV show `Space 1999` will in fact become the real reality in the end ? ...... and after that happens thenb they reboot that show ....heh heh
she said 19th october as date not year as 19 and then 1899. the dialogue was precise and pointing out to 19th october 1899. so no i dont think so its 1900s at all
I got so impressed browsing through the comments, people expressing their great interest in the series, their wish to understand the events and their willingness to see how things will unfold in upcoming seasons. Sincerely believe the platform will reconsider their decision and not let down its own viewers
Yes i also have the same question and why is he trying to keep maura from waking up and wants her to stay in the ship simulation. If maura programmed it like this why would she? Or maybe that part is done by carian and she wasnt aware this was going to happen
The upside down triangle is the elemental symbol for ‘Earth’ my assumption would be it has something to do with the 2099 reality maybe have to do with migrating from or saving Earth? I also feel the use of Prometheus must be very relevant to use twice, the closest relevance I can tell is that Prometheus was the God that gave the gift of divination to humanity. With all the talk of who is the creator and god. The idea of divination and trying to contact an higher being or the next level of simulation up seems like a possible link. As young Maura says if god created us who created god. Side note too I think the room numbers may be possible passnger/patient numbers. With Maura being 1011. With the amount of crew/passengers being identical on both Kerberos and Prometheus it seems like none on the boat were just simulations/Npc’s. Even the Danish bunk beds had numbers which seemed like an odd detail to highlight. Let me know what you think, loved the series!! ❤
Another quick thought, I have a feeling the relevance of the hypnosis clock was to show how they can force people to do what they want, maybe the usual use case is to get people to use the bunkers under their bed and relive nightmares. It would explain how they have the same nightmares over and over and why all the main cast had the rooms that didn’t otherwise get any screen time of the actual trapdoor. This might be a reach though.
There is one thing that bugs me, which is why the technology they have in the modern era looks very much like its a more advanced version of the 1970s or early 1980s tech. Like someone grabbed the tvs, computers and appliances of 1978 and blended them with the tech of the 2020s. Yet its also more advanced than our current level of technology by a few decades, due to the virtual world being so realistic. It's possible we may find out this ship is a seed ship sent from earth during the Cold War with 2000 people from NATO nations and allied nations like Japan, to ensure human survival elsewhere if earth was destroyed in a nuclear holocaust. So perhaps, it's an ark from our past. One which used advanced experimental government technology to create this virtual world they are put in. The ship is possibly heading to alpha centauri to seed a suspected earth like planet there with a human population. Maura and her husband perhaps the British IT experts who built the simulation. This would mean that the ship is 120 years in space and nearing its final destination. Time would probably move slower in the simulation to allow for the long journey to feel short. The stasis they are in whilst plugged in halting or slowing aging dramatically. Mauras brother may well be mentally ill and he was originally in an institution back on earth. But he was brought being her family. Perhaps he has broken out and has been controlling what was initially a calm peaceful simulation for the 2000 passengers on board, into his own little experiment. He could be awake for years or decades (possibly no longer his sisters age physically having left the simulation and could look old) but for Maura and others in the simulation this may only he months in the form of dozens of repeated prometheus simulations. Think about it, why would you choose 1899 as a simulation if everyone is convinced they are also in 1899? Why put the racial minorities, gay passengers and women through a simulation that sees them as second class when they come from a more equal time? This is her brother hijacking the system. Inside some escaped his control at the start, including Mauras father, her son (who I'm guessing is a digital copy, just code not a physical person as his body is dead) and some of the crew. They have found a way to interfer with his simulations but are trapped in it just like those who don't know they are in his simulation. They may be aware they are living in the 21st century but are stuck in this 19th century nightmare. Maura having designed the system, may well have an escape key built in that allows for all to wake up instantly like she did, that's what her father wants. Without it they are under the control of her brother in the real world. Only her backdoor escape code can free them, unless she herself can stop him outside the simulation. But so far I'm thinking a big twist will be this is a ship launched by NATO in the 70s or something, using experimental computer technology, carrying 2000 passengers to Alpha Centauri to ensure the survival of modern democratic society in the event mankind went extinct during the Cold War on earth. A back up for mankind. Hence the technology looks late 20th Century at times but has modern elements like touchscreens and 3D mapping or coding which was all in early design phases back then, but secret projects could have even decades ahead in funded by anti USSR governments like the US, Japan and UK.
This is the most satisfying show I've seen in years. Kept me guessing right until the end. I was riveted and I can say that about almost nothing else from the last few years. Dark is a masterpiece and so is 1899. At this point I want to know more about why they are all trying to forget what they've been through. It feels like they all had some kind of collective trauma and it would make sense for their consciousness to need a place to reside during a long space voyage so they can not take up resources while in suspended animation. I don't think anyone can guess exactly what their mission is, but the simulation aspect can go in so many directions at this point.
These showrunners have done it again. Dark will always be my favorite, but 1899 effortlessly fills the void left by the end of Dark. I can’t wait for season 2!!
SPOILER Very disappointed. The spaceship ending seemed totally disconnected from the rest of the show. It looked as if the psychiatric angle was the foundation at first, then someone threw in a spaceship. Very unsatisfying as there was nothing in the show supporting the ending.
This series reminds me so much of Westworld season 1 and MCSM season 2. The whole loops thing, and the confusion about reality. But also about them being gods and creating worlds and then her brother taking her "admin powers" away. The whole glitching thing, it just feels like a combination of both series
@@jonfreeman9682 Was thinking the same thing. It's gonna be hard to continue when the mystery is revealed. Unless they make up some unbelievable plot line that she is still not in reality, but that would be an insult to the viewers at that point.
@@maxbergman9430 Matrix 4 tried to serve refried beans but fans didn't bite. I still went to support the movie though. Westworld had the same problem where the first season was great. The AI bots woke up realizing everything was an illusion and they're in a repeating simulation in a theme park. In season 2 the bots tried to escape the theme park but got tricked into going back into another simulation in a computer instead of the real world. But then season 3&4 was terrible because they had no story left to tell. Then Westworld got cancelled as fans all left. These mystery box shows and movies work best when you don't know the big reveal. LoL
@@jonfreeman9682 I agree. It's the curse of making a mystery based show. While I do think that is the genre that's most exciting to watch, it's also one of the more difficult ones to keep entertaining. Because you constantly have to come up with new believable plot lines to keep the viewer guessing and after a while that becomes almost impossible to do.
I enjoyed the show very much, but there were a lot of seemingly illogical things that happened in the show. What was the purpose of presumably Daniel killing of people? Was the purpose just to provoke the mutiny? How about when he first tampered with the "ship computer" and the subsequent mass hypnosis where almost everyone went overboard? What was that all about? Was it just to confuse his enemies or was it an attempt to make Maura realize that they're not in the real world? I don't understand the motivation behind most of his actions. :D
I think they were thrown on purpose, to filter only the real people.Seems all other who jumped were just simulated characters?? So, After that only the real ones remained? A sort of hack to clear simulated n real characters? Also I dont think its only abt simulation involved in the show.. the show even hints for time travel and time manipulation also... seems season2 will be more complex n we want it that way 😁😊
@@markymark4765 I don't think that they were NPC's. Some characters like Krester and Iben were hypnotized as well, and they are shown to be in the pods in the "real world".
Thank you! I needed that. As an avid Dark fan, I couldn't wait to see this after seeing the teaser trailer. I watched it with my son, who also loved Dark (he lives in the US and I was visiting from Canada) and we binged it...and I asked him to explain it to me and he laughed saying that he was equally lost. I told him I would go on RUclips and find some kind of an explanation and chose yours. I'm still scratching my head but not as much now that I've listened to you. Needless to say I'm eagerly awaiting the next season...!!! It's going to drive me crazy but I'm okay to wait! Thanks again
I still feel like so many occurrences are unexplained by the fact it's a simulation, and don't make sense retrospectively. For example: - Why does Elliot remain mute for the majority of the show, and only begin to speak towards the end? - Who sends the "Sink Ship" orders, and how do the crew members and passengers on the Kerberos know about the missing Prometheus ship if these are all just loops? - If the First Mate knows it's all a simulation and is working for Henry the entire time, whose purpose is find the key that Maura has hidden, why does he spent so much of the series "in character" (as it were) as the First Mate, and not more time trying to find the key? This only really becomes his focus in the final episode. - Why do some characters in the simulation (Henry, First Mate, Daniel, Elliot) know about the looped nature of their reality and the fact its a simulation, while the others (first class passengers) do not, and are unable to comprehend what's going on when this is revealed to them? And Why does being injected in the simulation wipe Maura's memory when it's just a simulation? You don't actually die when you're in the simulation, so how can you be made to forget if the real "you" on the outside isn't having anything done to their brain chemistry? - Why is there is "physical" archive of all the ships if it's just a looped event? - If Maura and Daniel just wanted to create a "home away from home" in the form of the simulation, why was it created as an expedition with a storyline, and one where all the characters die each time?| - Why was Elliot originally found on board the Prometheus, and why, if this was a previous version of the simulated journey, does it exist in the same environment as the Kerberos? - Why is Henry observing everything from a monitoring station inside the simulation, and not part of the loop? I hope all of this will be addressed in Season 2, but my suspicion is that most of these odd elements were just there initially as red herrings to keep the audience guessing, rather than part of a consistent and coherent narrative which make sense even when examined in retrospect.
If it’s anything like Dark the previous show they made they will explain these things, though some I feel are already answered. He stays mute because Maura’s dad is watching and listening and doesn’t want to convey information to him, there were probably past iterations of the loop where he tried to talk and it didn’t work out. The sink ship orders were sent by Maura’s dad or maybe brother, and the passengers have implanted memories about the Prometheus the same way they do about their backstories. Since they really live in 2099 those flashbacks can’t be what really happened to them, though they might be similar. As for the first mate, it’s not as if we see his every move, he very well could have been and probably was searching off screen when he could. The people like Daniel, Elliot, and Maura’s dad that are exceptions know about the outside world and aren’t reset each loop. I feel like there is a good reason for that we just don’t know yet. As for the syringe, just because it’s an object in the simulation I don’t see why that leads you to believe it can’t have any real effects on the actual person. Sure it’s not real medicine or whatever, it’s more like technology being manifested in the simulation. The same way Daniel manipulates the boat from that control panel. The physical archive just looks cool visually and though it seems to serve no practical purpose in world I don’t think it’s a stretch that they would create something like that. About the dark storyline of the simulation, that is something they will definitely explain further, but as of now I think that was all her brothers doing after he took over when she went in the simulation. I think every single ship with passengers looped in the simulation is the Kerberos and the Prometheus never had any real ones, it was just set up to look like that for the experiment. I also assume that the inside of the cupboard is Elliot’s starting place in the simulation though he seems to keep his memories of previous loops. I have no idea about her dad watching the simulation, maybe it was initially done to coax him into going into the simulation. Like her brother said “watch over these guys as part of the experiment” and just trapped him inside. You are right to an extent though, some of these things were done create mystery and as red herrings, but it’s not like they have no logical reasoning for happening the way they did at all.
My interpretation... the passengers are all on an exploration ship thru space(pretty much revealed to us in the final scene) and judging by the lightyears they're expecting to travel, need to be placed in deep sleep to make it through the trip. And to successfully achieve such a prolonged stasis, the mind has to remain continuously stimulated, so as to not permanently shut down(basically tricked into thinking it's still fully active), hence simulations... so, you plug every passenger into basically a man in which you can run them thru a continuous simulation that provides the necessary stimulus to keep their minds from shutting down until they reach their target destination. And if you consider the simulations from a programming standpoint, everything within the simulations is simply manifestations of code written(i.e. the archive of all the previous ships is just a physical representation of data storage). So, it can be possible to "wake up" within the simulations, becoming aware of the mainframe and still remain linked, therefore able to modify, scrub, write code from within. That would explain Henry, Daniel, Elliot, etc. being "awake" within the simulations. It's also why all the passengers seem to be migrants on a ship traveling to America in 1899... the shared simulation is a manifestation of their actual reality... an illusion created to keep them engaged while in deep sleep, rooted enough in their core desires/motivations/memories/conflicts to sell the simulation as real. Otherwise, it'd be rejected by the mind. As for the reason for the space exploration... Henry recounts the story of when Maura, as a child, supposed that reality is out wherein "God" lies, and if so, what lies outside of that... so this trip is an exploration/settler mission led by Maura(whose driving objective is to answer that question), the passengers are volunteers(whose objective is looking for a better life)... but the mission seems to have been hijacked by her brother?
Theory - maybe Maura and Cieran represents two part of "mother's" brain? One is rational and one is emotional. Mother losing her mind is allegory for brain splitting after turning conscious into the programm. Maybe it's too deep, but these series definately has room for crazy theories :)
Yeah. Probably everything is happening inside Maura's head. Her father and Daniel are The creators since they're the only people remembering everything.
Interesting that Maura’s father only remember what he is supposed to know, he is allegedly “controlling the simulation” but if he was, it doesn’t explain WHY he wants to get out of the simulation, if he is the one in charge of it all he was supposed to be already out and only watching how things goes. That’s why he needs the key to the pyramid because he thinks he will wake up
Interesting and entertaining show. I laugh every time someone says, "Stop lying to me and tell me what's going on" or "Stop lying to me and tell me who you are."
It reminds me of Dark where everyone kept saying, "Das kann nicht sein" (This can't be/that's impossible). I even smiled when Eyk on 1899 said it. It reminded me of when he was Stranger Jonas.
I liked the series, thought it borrowed heavily from other shows that have already been done, but being a history wonk, I had a couple of major problems with them calling it "1899" - "1909" would've been much more historically correct. The ships are models of the Cunard liner "Mauretania" which first sailed in 1907. There was only one four-stack ocean liner in the world in 1899, the "Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" which was very different looking from the "Prometheus" and the "Keboros". Why did none of the ship's crew, especially the officers, have on period-correct uniforms? It's an ocean liner - fine jackets, gold bullion stripes on the sleeves, and visor caps were worn all the time. The ship seems to have an amazingly small number of crewmen and passengers - if there are 1,500 people aboard, we only see the same 25 over and over again. The third class quarters weren't correct for any ocean liners of that period, the wardrobe for the passengers was a mixed bag of three decades worth of fashion, and if it was supposed to be a simulation set in a particular year on a particular ship, they got just about all the details about what was and wasn't historically accurate for an ocean liner in 1899 dead wrong. Interesting show, just showed a remarkable lack of attention to major details.
Because it’s a simulation it’s not actually set in 1899 that’s just the stage in that one simulation. Maybe they didn’t want it to exactly match historical facts but to have it a little bit off. I don’t think it was a mistake
Everything else mentioned sounds valid and was very interesting to read, but I will argue that we certainly see more than the same 25 people when they all start jumping ship 😬
1899 is the 19th century. The 20th century began on the first of January, 1901. The simulation is set in the 1800s, and the 19th century. We are in the 21st century which is the 2000s.
@@doodlefisher234 Henry is also a part of the simulation. He is aware that it's a simulation. His role is to find the key, if he failed, he needs to sink the ship to restart everything again. That's why we always get the solo shot of him just staring at the monitors. No matter how many times he saw it, he's always fascinated. That's how he is programmed. They only got self aware when Daniel starts messing with the simulations. After the line "we never got this far" is the part where they acted differently, not part of the simulations. It's like playing a game, you can't progress unless you finished some side quests. Henry actually saw the key so he acted differently after that. If he can't find the key he starts the siren with the help of the First Mate with a device, then people will start jumping to their deaths. Releasing the black thing to erase characters. Sending the ship to the whirlpool trash bin. And start over again.
I really liked this show but I feel like if you’ve seen Dark before, you could guess a couple of thing that happened in 1899 (or at least I wasn’t as surprised as I was while watching Dark). I feel like the concept of loop, time, family tree are there again. I liked it, just felt like the big reveal wasn’t as big this time!
I loved this show but the effort they made in every corner of the main story was wasted on the ending because at the end nothing in the 7.9 episodes means anything? Or am I wrong? If I’m not then what was the point of making such an amazing story and characters?
I’m hoping the next two seasons explain why we spent so much time with those other character’s back stories. Like did the captain really have a family that died, did Ling really kill her friend etc. If all those people don’t matter I’ll be pretty mad.
@@jeanymishwhere did you get that there memories were fake? Those events did happen most likely and they have been in this simualtion for a very long time and time behaves differently here
@@jeanymish they have been in cryosleep and that doesn't age them. Or maybe those events happened in a different setting than showed in a different time zone. But they have to be real memories or very similar with events being the same
This is why you don't write insanely complex stories, they are IMPOSSIBLE to tie together for a good and satisfying ending. (Ever wonder why GRRM takes 20 years to write one book? Now you know.) The ending of this show was dog shit. It was far too vague, it created new details in the last 10 minutes, and it left a ton of unanswered questions. I want the 8 hours of my life back.
There are so many plot holes in this show it’s unreal. The show was exciting and confusing but things would be shown or talked about and then it was never brought back up.
I have one episode left so im gonna bounce out of this video before I hear something I don’t want spoiled yet, haha but I’ll be back after I watch the finale. I have a feeling I’ll be watching as many “explained or breakdown” videos as I did 1899 episodes. Mind bending, rather mind-melting stuff.
As a super fan of Dark I didn't think 1899 could live up to the first show but WOW! They really blew me away. While I do LOVE the concept of 1899, I have to be honest in saying there are more than a handful of scenes that really make no sense to me. What was the purpose of the mystery of the simulation? Why would the simulation be filled with so much conflict. What was the point of the little blonde girl dying first? Was Jerome part of the future ship? What role was Maura's father participating in? Was he really aboard the space vessel or just part of the simulation? I don't mind plot holes but some of these questions are gaping. lol Overall I loved the first season but there are some massive questions that I'm not sure actually have answers.
Can someone tell me 1. Why did daniel disappear kerberos in ep 3 when it was near prometheus and where did they go? 2. when the captain came back to prometheus it was in the archives... If the simulation was on a loop then are all the other ships named prometheus or does the name change for each loop? 3. if its all prometheus then why did kerberos also end in the archives?
@@OlgaVDB then when daniel disappeared the kerberos it was near the prometheus on the open sea... When the captain returned to prometheus it was in the archives... Were they both the same ship?
@@asad5644 I'm guessing because Daniel needed Elliot to be found, he "moved" 2 ships together so it was easier for Maura to believe the boy was the only survivor of Prometheus.
I’m new to this collaboration (haven’t watched ‘Dark’), and felt slightly disappointed after watching season 1. At the risk of sharing a potentially unpopular opinion (no offence intended), I found the storyline to be poorly thought through and often wandered in its own self-indulgence. I think perhaps the over-use of simulation potentially aids in disengaging it’s viewer, and indeed sabotages it’s own plot credibility. A lot of the symbolism felt cliched, which is a shame because the actors seemed to be working really hard to counteract this. I can’t help but compare it to the likes of Lynch and Kubrick that execute confusion and hidden meaning so deftly, after watching this.
I think season 2 will be called 2099. And the final season 3 will be called 1999 which will be the present time. Remember at the start of episode one Maura tells herself "the year is 19... 1899"
this wasn't explanation, you just telling story what we already saw ourselves in the show.. like when people are jumping over board fence because of ticking sound ? U didn't explain what in first place caused their recation. Although u did tell the full show which is great.
The promethues spaceship is designed exatly like the main computer on board the ship. ( The complex computer Daniel maipulates onboard the ship ) I truly beleive she awoke in a larger simulation.
Dark is still easily better but this is the best show since for sure. Didn’t care for the late twist being that it’s her brother pulling the strings but I’ll be watching 👀
The last scene was so quick, only giving mere seconds to take in the characters,the module and the space ship....it really didn't do the season justice. It ended like it was the next to last episode. I felt robbed of a decent mind blow. The music was intense and so was the scene, it deserved more play. Too bad they cancelled, I would have tuned into the next season.
At one point I thought Maura's father was Daniel as a younger man and she was actually his wife lol. At one point she said her 'Mother' started to forget them, thought maybe she was the Mother character and not the daughter, if you get Mr. Especially when Daniel said in the flash back when they were in bed about please don't forget.
I hope the spaceship is real. I liked how they're all immigrants like on the steam ship. Although I'm up for anything. I loved it. Aside from the White Rabbit cover. The original is a favorite. Pink does a great version. Covers straying too far from the original melody often bother me. This one just departs too far from it.
After every episode my mind was blown and the way it accelerated with the mind twists made me hella confused (in a good way) haven't seen a great series like this in a while great execution
Being that I didn't catch all of the content in the latter episodes, 5, 6, 7 and even some of 8, when it is revealed that Maura currently in the year 2099 traveling through interstellar space, that was just about too much for me to wrap my head around. I have now since watched each episode in full and had I paid attention to all the details initially it wouldn't have been such a surprise, but still mind boggling. The biggest clue that gave everything away to me, was when Daniel told Elliot that they had not made this far thus yet. Had I heard that in my initial viewing, I would've connected pretty quickly what their objective was. Still, waking up in interstellar space with some stellar coordinates really tripped me out.
I think the spaceship is also a stimulation and they are actually in the year 1999 , I say this based on how outdated the used technology throughout the series is.
1)Why Maura created the Kerberos simulation??? 2)how is her father took over it and took the control? 3)how does Maura's husband connected to the simulation?
It was an interesting show but I didn't like how the reveal was paced. Nothing made sense for a long time and then near the end episodes daniel just starts explaining everything straight up. I was hoping for a more organic reveal through the story instead of a character just saying it out loud all of a sudden as the show neared its end.
As much as I enjoyed the show after the fourth episode I got a bit disappointed. Regardless there’s a lot of potential for this story…..I’m sure it’s been said but everyone do yourself a favour and watch DARK on Netflix, it’s even better than this. I’m about to rematch it a third time
This entire series so far is completely pointless in the context of the series itself. It is a lot like time travel shows; where you begin in one place with one state, the time travel occurs and at the end you are right back where you began. Except in this series' context you don't get to see the "before state", all you get to see is the useless time travel, then the beginning state. Basically, the entire series the characters are suspended, asleep, during interstellar travel, that is how the show begins(although you don't get to see it) and that is how it ends. If you ask me, there are two directions this goes. Either the simulation had malfunctioned, and they somehow worked out a way of escaping it, which would be the premise of the show. Or, their experiences are just them dreaming while they were asleep, likely being just the last few moments right before they all wake up, and they are all waking up at a prescribed time, in order to fulfill the purpose that brought them out to space to begin with. You don't build a ship that enormous because reasons. There is a purpose to it, a very important purpose to it, as something like that would cost *_TRILLIONS_* of dollars, or the equivalent of dollars in other currencies. And using the resources to build it would put every country on the planet in a tight spot. It isn't like steel grows on trees, there is a finite amount of steel the world can produce each year. To build this spaceship, all of humanity on Earth would have to give up new creations that included steel for many consecutive years. So this ship's purpose would have to be immensely important. I mean, what would it take for you to give up new cars, new phones, new computers, new tables, new chairs, new dishware, new anything that has ANY amount of steel in it? There would be no new construction or manufacturing of any kind for many consecutive years. Only this ship, and projects that aid in its construction. Honestly, such a thing would inconvenience you in ways you cannot even comprehend right now. Building such a large spaceship as that, would change this world, it would be the end of life on this Earth as you know it. Heh, all just to send almost 2,000 people into space. Man, their objective would have to be vital to humanity's continuance.
16:50 it was Franz who got the key from Maura and gave it to Henry it was Sebastian (the red haired man). Similarly it wasn't Virginia who had the triangle earings it was Clémence
Sorry to copy, but I just LOVE what I read here: Friese and bo Odar have ideas for two more seasons, with increased complexity compared to season 1.[2] The planned three-season structure stems from Friese's and bo Odar's film background, where films have three acts.[7] The first season served to establish the theme and characters and pose big questions.[7] If ordered by Netflix, the second season would explain the symbology of the triangles, and Maura's brother would be an important character.[7] bo Odar described this second act as "all about the fun and games, where you play with the theme, and maybe get a little bit more megalomaniacal and crazy, and then resolve it in the third season into a hopefully satisfying resolution."[7] SOOOOO HYPED for the next seasons, no question Netflix ordering them ! 🎉🎉😂
The ending certainly fooled me. Reminded me of an episode of SG Atlantis where they showed crew in suspended animation and linked to each other where they could dream in parallel. Just noticed the picture above the passengers at 4:23, weird, looks like a bunch of naked guys.
Kerberos: a computer-network authentication protocol. The protocol allows nodes, or redistribution points, to communicate over a non-secure network to prove their identity to one another securely.
Of course it's another simulation -- but if it is reality, perhaps it will be necessary for the participants to enter yet another simulation in order to solve some problem in the "real world." If they can solve it in a simulation, then maybe they can extrapolate the solution to their real-world problem. Like if they're "lost in space" or something.
Just a correction, because this enrages people..., Ramiro wasnt Spanish...he is actually Portuguesse in and outside the show(his name José Pimentão)...Portuguesse people dont like to be confused has Spanish
I like that it's set just before the last reset of 1902 in our own timeline. What can we do to continue in a fresh timeline to avoid our next reset due in 2040? That seems to be underlying the arc of Maura, to teach us. She has alot less time.
They need to remove shows that they cancelled and left on a cliffhanger on Netflix it’s ridiculous we never get a nice finish And shows need to stop milking it to make more money and just focus on good storytelling even if it’s only one season long
I love it too because it's a twisty sci-fi mystery box and I couldn't predict where it was going. Loved the ending. Honestly it doesn't need a second season.
Well they were in 1899 and end up in 2099 , 200y later... now if you add up the passagers and the crew members you get 1423+550=1973 the year we started our simulation and it will end 200y later in 2173 ... food for thought :)))
But why do they keep same track on them of they only wanted to keep brain activity! They could have done some different things also but why that timing loop?
Agree. At the moment, so much drama doesn't make sense. Maybe it's planned as a peaceful journey via the ocean. The problems begin when Daniel (a virus ai/hacker?) is faking the messages. And henry states that human beings were weak because of their emotions... So the simulation fails over and over again without arriving the destination. Characterizing Henry as less emotional and his will to break out of the construct could be a hint for anbartificial intelligence which has developed some kind of consciousness
According to me this movie will have 3 seasons. 1899 -> the past, simulation 2099-> the future, simulation 2035 / 40-> where they will really wake up to present
I think in order for season 1 to work, season 2 needs to extent and explain a few things. I think i read that they planning again 3 seasons which is smart. Less chances for Netflix to cancel them. Keep it compact - I don’t need another lost. But in general, I didn’t think it was anywhere near as good as Dark. Too many characters IMO. I would have liked to see a Bermuda Triangle mystery rather. But again, hopefully there will be some payoff coming in S2.
First of all, everything is just speculations and your ''analysis'' tries too much on a very simple ending. A crew is on a survival mission and that is it. The ending says that. Probably saving a world, just like all these shows and movies do. They send few passengers and a crew, because, usually our world is dying and they try to find another planet to repopulate. Hence you send bunch of people from multiple cultures. Look at movies like passengers from 2016 or pandorum (2009) and many others. They all go to sleep, because the journey is too long and when you wake up from a very long sleep you can't tell the difference between the reality and the dreams you have been having. That's why the show shows lines like ''may your coffee kick in before reality does''. People will be confused after a long sleep. And that's it. And the brother ? Well, who knows... He could be the first to wake up and that's it, there could really be no bad agenda. What if there were ?It does not matter. What's the point of season 2 then if you know what's gonna happen next ? These shows are built on that ''mystery'' and when mystery is solved it loses its value. Season 2 was never in the plans, it is not now. Story is concluded. So this tv series takes a lot from those sci-fi movies I mentioned and others like black mirror or inception and puts it in one place. It was a good show and it is finished.
Had a hell of a time grappling my mind around 1899 this week. Here's my breakdown of season 1! Expect more videos on the series in the coming days.
Was Maura truly the villain? or her father?
Did the Maura in the simulation takes over the body of the real Maura (presumed in spaceship)? Because she it looked surprised. I think this spaceship is also a simulation & True reality will be revealed in the final episode of the series.
Ref Dark … The cigarette vending machines at bus stops were spot-on.
The sadism of the 50s (post war reaction) was spot-on.
The inaction of the people- breathtaking.
The joke about the elephant was the only time that Germans cracked the surface on humor, the rest of the series was too deadpan - although hey for me it’s clear why Germans aren’t funny (I’m Dutch-Jewish).
The absolutely accent-less German was not believable.
Nobody locking their doors was not believable.
The police fArce in winden wasn’t believable.
Apparently no time machines work between 1921 and 1953. Hmmmm, I wonder why.
You think there will definitely be another season ?
I loved the music on this series also ! Amazing ! I really thought it was a horror at first 😅
We need a simulation where Netflix didn't cancel the second season
I hope its just a cover since now its set in 2099 so they could be saying that 1899 is finished but 2099 is the new continuation of the show. But this is unlikely sadly.
It's cancelled?!? 😢
@@nonofogaborone6640 yes
That was just for publicity. It is coming
What!!??
When I watched “Making 1899” and realized how many different languages they where speaking I was AMAZED. They couldn’t understand each other but somehow it seemed like they could from their body language. This is the type of show I love. Sci-fi/ thriller/ mind bending show!! There are tons of hidden meanings and symbolisms in the show, this is the type of show you can watch twice and still catch things you didn’t notice the first time
I noticed in the last episode that the characters began to understand each other as they were hearing languages they didn't speak or have any direct knowledge of.
I started watching and my mind went a bit weird as I can understand English, Norwegian, German, Polish and they were changing all the time.
@@yarkovskaya is that due to the amount of dif languages? or their complexity? cause i speak only 3 languages but if i watch smth where they change between them its kinda whatever its the same for me as if they would speak in the same one
I don’t think anything can top Dark, even for them. Ever since Dark ended, I’ve been patiently waiting for 1899 and it was well worth the wait. I love how they seamlessly mix some of my favorite genres together. Now I can’t wait for season 2!
So would you say it's better or worse than dark.
@@jonfreeman9682 well after the first season of the serien, i cant tell you if it was better at all.
I guess you need to see all 3 and then u can come to a conclusion.
But for the first season, i would say it was good, but first season Dark was better, for me i could cstch the feeling better in Dark and in Dark the character where better written, i would say.
But that means not that 1899 is bad written its good, it has a gloomy feeling and i binged it instantly.
@@jonfreeman9682 nothing can top DARK since it came first, but that doesn’t mean 1899 is worse, it just had to follow something so great. 1899 did fill the void left by the ending of DARK.
@@sirsinclair5247 Ok so you're saying dark is pretty awesome then I'll give it a second go. I tried watching it but got tired of reading subtitles so gave up but I think 1899 is amazing so I'm gonna checkout dark again. I really enjoyed 1899 because of its high production quality with authentic looking 19th century steam ships and sci-fi visuals plus I could not guess where the story was going. I like unpredictable stories. I thought it was a haunted ghost ship, then vampires, then a plague, then Bermuda triangle, then time portals to other dimensions, so could not tell where it was going. Had me guessing right to the end. If dark is just as good then I'm gonna have to check it out. Thanks.
@@jezebulls ok I'm definitely gonna have to checkout dark because I loved 1899. It was fantastic story that even if we don't get a second season it's amazing just with one season. I like TV shows you can't predict where it's going.
i kinda love that this is a slow burn and we are slowly revealing things. I didn’t feel impatient while watching, I am just happy to be along for the ride and trying not to connect things to Dark. I did predict a few things that happened (not the very end though) but that didn’t bother me bc the acting, storytelling, set pieces…etc. are all fantastic. i can’t wait for Season 2! will be watching everyone’s break downs until it comes 🥲
I thought the last 3 episodes were dragging it on but the early episodes definitely had that perfect slow burn
Brilliant show. Don't think they can top this season and doesn't need another season as we already got the big reveal.
@@frankydoyle3248 I can see that. it became just more of the same. It‘s probably better it’s all a different location now with new challenges.
@@jonfreeman9682 true. sometimes it’s better to not fully know exactly what is happening and they did leave us with enough to wonder.
@@frankydoyle3248Yes. Many “oh how they stare into each others eyes” minutes passed, and not much story progression.
Watched the whole season in 2 days. I was surprised how much I liked it.
I couldn’t stop watching it! But I had to sleep and eat, so…..😜
It's friggin amazing. Sucked me in on first episode. I couldn't predict where it's going. Thought it was going to be like the Terror or Titanic, then thought it was vampires with that creepy Goth looking hubby, then thought it was plague or haunted ghost 👻 ship, then figured it was Bermuda triangle with time travel and portal to other dimensions... LoL
I watched it in one night and i was left so confused 😢
me in one day lol first time I do this in my life
Could've finished it in one day but decided to sleep cus I had work in the morning
This show is actually badass! Can’t wait for second part
Well it doesn't need a second part because it already gave us the big reveal. So the magic and mystery is gone.
@@jonfreeman9682 true
@@jonfreeman9682 How can you say that..the one that they gave us is the big reveal?
@@jithin.691 Well the cool thing about the show is it's a big sci-fi mystery box that keeps you guessing right up to the end. But at the end we see what happened so it'll be tough to come up with a second season because we learn the mystery already. LoL
@@jithin.691 But what an amazing ride so even without a second season this was a great story by itself that ends nicely.
Did anyone else notice how angel said that the birds way up high in the sky are in their own prison and then they were in a space ship hooked up to mind simulations.
And the lady called Ling Yi a bird all the time
Reminded me that movie dark city and matrix. Great great series.
1899 is fucking awesome. the only thing I cannot understand is the choise of ending songs. It really threw me out of that kinda mysterious mood.
I was pretty bummed they didn't choose more obscure music to fit the mood. Plus, I wanted to be introduced to some new music to get hooked on. I did love the song, "Child of Time," in episode 2. All the rest were a bit too pop culture. Loved the show though.
I think it fits well with the message "WELCOME TO REALITY"
Yes the ending of episodes songs were completely out of place. If felt like they threw a dart at top songs on board and decided to end the episodes with them. Kicked me out of the episodes every time.
The intro song remix though is also too pop for me. Raised by wolves and Dark did an excellent job with the intro song for example
Yall just want something to complain about.
so much potential of this show, I hope it won't fade away in upcoming next seasons
right? I don't care if they take longer to make the second season but as long as they take their time to polish everything and not fall into rush works that will F up the show.
@@persona5305 you'll wait forever the cancelled it
I think laura did not wake up to reality but rather to another simulation! As you mentioned.
Read these lines from episode 8 when Mr. Singleton is telling Elliot a memory of his daughter:
One evening she came to me and said, "If it's true what Plato argues, then how do we know if anything is real?" How do we know that the actual reality isn't outside the life we're living?"
It was a mighty big thought for a girl her age. I looked at her and asked her, "Isn't that what God is? The creator of our reality?"
She thought about it for a moment. And then she answered, "But then it's the world God is living in that's real and we are just his doll's house. And then again, who created God? Doesn't it go on endlessly?"
Exactly like movie The 13 Floor. A prison for our minds. Matrix style.
The movie is made for the people to question reality, which i think is a good thing.
@Jase I think the biggest hint or evidence of some kind of simulation , or holographic universe is the concept of synchronicity.... Very weird stuff , i am thinking about a fake reality for example and on the radio plays a song about "reality is fake" , this is one example from 10000 of things like this .... Glitches in the matrix, people that are very similar to other people , stuff like this. Not many are seeing these things tbh.
@Jase even the word "seekers" has the word "See" in it, See also sounds like the word "Sea". All kind of connections.
@@hadryantar So glad others remember The 13th Floor - such an amazing and underrated movie, but then again, not everyone gets those kinds of movies ;)
@@horizonzeromom yeah, pretty ahead of it's time that movie. In 1999, same year as the matrix. Too bad it didn't had a much bigger budget .
I can't believe Netflix cancelled the show. Pure heartbreak
In my opinion they were astronauts headed to explore the universe. Due to the long journey, they were put to sleep and hooked up to a simulator to pass time. She accidentally woke up, so now she's stuck awake in a spaceship. There's actually an old Twilight Zone episode with the same concept.
Dark finale was beautiful and I hope they can come close with this show
Two things I notice:
- Maura is the only one where the « wake up » is her father’s voice and not her voice
- Also in the 1st episode she says « today is 19-…1899. »
So I think the 2099 is also a simulation and her real timeline is somewhere in the 1900s (probably 1999).
but then again maybe the old TV show `Space 1999` will in fact become the real reality in the end ? ...... and after that happens thenb they reboot that show ....heh heh
she said 19th october as date not year as 19 and then 1899. the dialogue was precise and pointing out to 19th october 1899. so no i dont think so its 1900s at all
@@EmpoweringMindBody Oh! English isn’t my first language so I was mistaken.
I got so impressed browsing through the comments, people expressing their great interest in the series, their wish to understand the events and their willingness to see how things will unfold in upcoming seasons. Sincerely believe the platform will reconsider their decision and not let down its own viewers
How is Henry (the father) aware of the simulation if he is also trapped in the simulation? Same question for the husband and son?
Yes i also have the same question and why is he trying to keep maura from waking up and wants her to stay in the ship simulation. If maura programmed it like this why would she? Or maybe that part is done by carian and she wasnt aware this was going to happen
@@apoorvsingh4459 yeah, I think we'll just have to wait for S2 😅
The upside down triangle is the elemental symbol for ‘Earth’ my assumption would be it has something to do with the 2099 reality maybe have to do with migrating from or saving Earth?
I also feel the use of Prometheus must be very relevant to use twice, the closest relevance I can tell is that Prometheus was the God that gave the gift of divination to humanity. With all the talk of who is the creator and god. The idea of divination and trying to contact an higher being or the next level of simulation up seems like a possible link. As young Maura says if god created us who created god.
Side note too I think the room numbers may be possible passnger/patient numbers. With Maura being 1011. With the amount of crew/passengers being identical on both Kerberos and Prometheus it seems like none on the boat were just simulations/Npc’s. Even the Danish bunk beds had numbers which seemed like an odd detail to highlight.
Let me know what you think, loved the series!! ❤
Another quick thought, I have a feeling the relevance of the hypnosis clock was to show how they can force people to do what they want, maybe the usual use case is to get people to use the bunkers under their bed and relive nightmares. It would explain how they have the same nightmares over and over and why all the main cast had the rooms that didn’t otherwise get any screen time of the actual trapdoor. This might be a reach though.
Just finished this season and man this was truly mind blowing, loved every single frame of this show, can't wait for season 2
Too bad that show is canceled
There is one thing that bugs me, which is why the technology they have in the modern era looks very much like its a more advanced version of the 1970s or early 1980s tech. Like someone grabbed the tvs, computers and appliances of 1978 and blended them with the tech of the 2020s. Yet its also more advanced than our current level of technology by a few decades, due to the virtual world being so realistic.
It's possible we may find out this ship is a seed ship sent from earth during the Cold War with 2000 people from NATO nations and allied nations like Japan, to ensure human survival elsewhere if earth was destroyed in a nuclear holocaust.
So perhaps, it's an ark from our past. One which used advanced experimental government technology to create this virtual world they are put in.
The ship is possibly heading to alpha centauri to seed a suspected earth like planet there with a human population. Maura and her husband perhaps the British IT experts who built the simulation.
This would mean that the ship is 120 years in space and nearing its final destination.
Time would probably move slower in the simulation to allow for the long journey to feel short. The stasis they are in whilst plugged in halting or slowing aging dramatically.
Mauras brother may well be mentally ill and he was originally in an institution back on earth. But he was brought being her family. Perhaps he has broken out and has been controlling what was initially a calm peaceful simulation for the 2000 passengers on board, into his own little experiment.
He could be awake for years or decades (possibly no longer his sisters age physically having left the simulation and could look old) but for Maura and others in the simulation this may only he months in the form of dozens of repeated prometheus simulations.
Think about it, why would you choose 1899 as a simulation if everyone is convinced they are also in 1899? Why put the racial minorities, gay passengers and women through a simulation that sees them as second class when they come from a more equal time?
This is her brother hijacking the system. Inside some escaped his control at the start, including Mauras father, her son (who I'm guessing is a digital copy, just code not a physical person as his body is dead) and some of the crew. They have found a way to interfer with his simulations but are trapped in it just like those who don't know they are in his simulation. They may be aware they are living in the 21st century but are stuck in this 19th century nightmare.
Maura having designed the system, may well have an escape key built in that allows for all to wake up instantly like she did, that's what her father wants. Without it they are under the control of her brother in the real world. Only her backdoor escape code can free them, unless she herself can stop him outside the simulation.
But so far I'm thinking a big twist will be this is a ship launched by NATO in the 70s or something, using experimental computer technology, carrying 2000 passengers to Alpha Centauri to ensure the survival of modern democratic society in the event mankind went extinct during the Cold War on earth. A back up for mankind.
Hence the technology looks late 20th Century at times but has modern elements like touchscreens and 3D mapping or coding which was all in early design phases back then, but secret projects could have even decades ahead in funded by anti USSR governments like the US, Japan and UK.
Real
Well in this dream world there's a mish mash of old and new tech so anything can exist. Nothing is real.
More interesting then the show .... Like it. 😂
Wtf. 200IQ? Seems like you figured the whole thing out, this could possibly be season 2 if they decide to make it.
Wow, I think you nailed it! It all makes sense.
I started this last night and finished it just now (with breaks and sleep) at 5:30 pm. I’m floored and can’t wait for season 2
This is the most satisfying show I've seen in years. Kept me guessing right until the end. I was riveted and I can say that about almost nothing else from the last few years. Dark is a masterpiece and so is 1899. At this point I want to know more about why they are all trying to forget what they've been through. It feels like they all had some kind of collective trauma and it would make sense for their consciousness to need a place to reside during a long space voyage so they can not take up resources while in suspended animation. I don't think anyone can guess exactly what their mission is, but the simulation aspect can go in so many directions at this point.
Just finished watching, what a great serie!
I hope there will come a season 2!
These showrunners have done it again. Dark will always be my favorite, but 1899 effortlessly fills the void left by the end of Dark. I can’t wait for season 2!!
SPOILER Very disappointed. The spaceship ending seemed totally disconnected from the rest of the show. It looked as if the psychiatric angle was the foundation at first, then someone threw in a spaceship. Very unsatisfying as there was nothing in the show supporting the ending.
This series reminds me so much of Westworld season 1 and MCSM season 2. The whole loops thing, and the confusion about reality. But also about them being gods and creating worlds and then her brother taking her "admin powers" away. The whole glitching thing, it just feels like a combination of both series
What is MCSM?
@@dr.7539 Minecraft Story Mode. It's an interactive Series or game I guess
Brilliant show!!! Blew my
mind!!! Season 2 can not come soon enough.
Well the cats outta the bag so not sure what they can do with another season.
Probably the season 2 will came in 2025, but we can't wait so much time 😐
@@jonfreeman9682 Was thinking the same thing. It's gonna be hard to continue when the mystery is revealed. Unless they make up some unbelievable plot line that she is still not in reality, but that would be an insult to the viewers at that point.
@@maxbergman9430 Matrix 4 tried to serve refried beans but fans didn't bite. I still went to support the movie though. Westworld had the same problem where the first season was great. The AI bots woke up realizing everything was an illusion and they're in a repeating simulation in a theme park. In season 2 the bots tried to escape the theme park but got tricked into going back into another simulation in a computer instead of the real world. But then season 3&4 was terrible because they had no story left to tell. Then Westworld got cancelled as fans all left. These mystery box shows and movies work best when you don't know the big reveal. LoL
@@jonfreeman9682 I agree. It's the curse of making a mystery based show. While I do think that is the genre that's most exciting to watch, it's also one of the more difficult ones to keep entertaining. Because you constantly have to come up with new believable plot lines to keep the viewer guessing and after a while that becomes almost impossible to do.
I enjoyed the show very much, but there were a lot of seemingly illogical things that happened in the show. What was the purpose of presumably Daniel killing of people? Was the purpose just to provoke the mutiny? How about when he first tampered with the "ship computer" and the subsequent mass hypnosis where almost everyone went overboard? What was that all about? Was it just to confuse his enemies or was it an attempt to make Maura realize that they're not in the real world? I don't understand the motivation behind most of his actions. :D
The series isn’t over ffs, everything would be explained. Chill out
That’s how they get you to watch more
I think those other passengers were NPC’s
I think they were thrown on purpose, to filter only the real people.Seems all other who jumped were just simulated characters??
So, After that only the real ones remained?
A sort of hack to clear simulated n real characters?
Also
I dont think its only abt simulation involved in the show.. the show even hints for time travel and time manipulation also... seems season2 will be more complex n we want it that way 😁😊
@@markymark4765 I don't think that they were NPC's. Some characters like Krester and Iben were hypnotized as well, and they are shown to be in the pods in the "real world".
Thank you! I needed that. As an avid Dark fan, I couldn't wait to see this after seeing the teaser trailer. I watched it with my son, who also loved Dark (he lives in the US and I was visiting from Canada) and we binged it...and I asked him to explain it to me and he laughed saying that he was equally lost. I told him I would go on RUclips and find some kind of an explanation and chose yours. I'm still scratching my head but not as much now that I've listened to you.
Needless to say I'm eagerly awaiting the next season...!!! It's going to drive me crazy but I'm okay to wait!
Thanks again
How do u get through all the gay ass sex scenes with ur son without it being super awkward?
1899 asks almost the same questions about the reality-simulation argument that Westworld does in the first two seasons.
I still feel like so many occurrences are unexplained by the fact it's a simulation, and don't make sense retrospectively. For example:
- Why does Elliot remain mute for the majority of the show, and only begin to speak towards the end?
- Who sends the "Sink Ship" orders, and how do the crew members and passengers on the Kerberos know about the missing Prometheus ship if these are all just loops?
- If the First Mate knows it's all a simulation and is working for Henry the entire time, whose purpose is find the key that Maura has hidden, why does he spent so much of the series "in character" (as it were) as the First Mate, and not more time trying to find the key? This only really becomes his focus in the final episode.
- Why do some characters in the simulation (Henry, First Mate, Daniel, Elliot) know about the looped nature of their reality and the fact its a simulation, while the others (first class passengers) do not, and are unable to comprehend what's going on when this is revealed to them? And Why does being injected in the simulation wipe Maura's memory when it's just a simulation? You don't actually die when you're in the simulation, so how can you be made to forget if the real "you" on the outside isn't having anything done to their brain chemistry?
- Why is there is "physical" archive of all the ships if it's just a looped event?
- If Maura and Daniel just wanted to create a "home away from home" in the form of the simulation, why was it created as an expedition with a storyline, and one where all the characters die each time?|
- Why was Elliot originally found on board the Prometheus, and why, if this was a previous version of the simulated journey, does it exist in the same environment as the Kerberos?
- Why is Henry observing everything from a monitoring station inside the simulation, and not part of the loop?
I hope all of this will be addressed in Season 2, but my suspicion is that most of these odd elements were just there initially as red herrings to keep the audience guessing, rather than part of a consistent and coherent narrative which make sense even when examined in retrospect.
I hate that you’re right on the money with everything in this comment.
If it’s anything like Dark the previous show they made they will explain these things, though some I feel are already answered.
He stays mute because Maura’s dad is watching and listening and doesn’t want to convey information to him, there were probably past iterations of the loop where he tried to talk and it didn’t work out.
The sink ship orders were sent by Maura’s dad or maybe brother, and the passengers have implanted memories about the Prometheus the same way they do about their backstories. Since they really live in 2099 those flashbacks can’t be what really happened to them, though they might be similar.
As for the first mate, it’s not as if we see his every move, he very well could have been and probably was searching off screen when he could.
The people like Daniel, Elliot, and Maura’s dad that are exceptions know about the outside world and aren’t reset each loop. I feel like there is a good reason for that we just don’t know yet.
As for the syringe, just because it’s an object in the simulation I don’t see why that leads you to believe it can’t have any real effects on the actual person. Sure it’s not real medicine or whatever, it’s more like technology being manifested in the simulation. The same way Daniel manipulates the boat from that control panel.
The physical archive just looks cool visually and though it seems to serve no practical purpose in world I don’t think it’s a stretch that they would create something like that.
About the dark storyline of the simulation, that is something they will definitely explain further, but as of now I think that was all her brothers doing after he took over when she went in the simulation.
I think every single ship with passengers looped in the simulation is the Kerberos and the Prometheus never had any real ones, it was just set up to look like that for the experiment. I also assume that the inside of the cupboard is Elliot’s starting place in the simulation though he seems to keep his memories of previous loops.
I have no idea about her dad watching the simulation, maybe it was initially done to coax him into going into the simulation. Like her brother said “watch over these guys as part of the experiment” and just trapped him inside.
You are right to an extent though, some of these things were done create mystery and as red herrings, but it’s not like they have no logical reasoning for happening the way they did at all.
Absolutely agree with you!!!
My interpretation... the passengers are all on an exploration ship thru space(pretty much revealed to us in the final scene) and judging by the lightyears they're expecting to travel, need to be placed in deep sleep to make it through the trip. And to successfully achieve such a prolonged stasis, the mind has to remain continuously stimulated, so as to not permanently shut down(basically tricked into thinking it's still fully active), hence simulations... so, you plug every passenger into basically a man in which you can run them thru a continuous simulation that provides the necessary stimulus to keep their minds from shutting down until they reach their target destination. And if you consider the simulations from a programming standpoint, everything within the simulations is simply manifestations of code written(i.e. the archive of all the previous ships is just a physical representation of data storage). So, it can be possible to "wake up" within the simulations, becoming aware of the mainframe and still remain linked, therefore able to modify, scrub, write code from within. That would explain Henry, Daniel, Elliot, etc. being "awake" within the simulations. It's also why all the passengers seem to be migrants on a ship traveling to America in 1899... the shared simulation is a manifestation of their actual reality... an illusion created to keep them engaged while in deep sleep, rooted enough in their core desires/motivations/memories/conflicts to sell the simulation as real. Otherwise, it'd be rejected by the mind.
As for the reason for the space exploration... Henry recounts the story of when Maura, as a child, supposed that reality is out wherein "God" lies, and if so, what lies outside of that... so this trip is an exploration/settler mission led by Maura(whose driving objective is to answer that question), the passengers are volunteers(whose objective is looking for a better life)... but the mission seems to have been hijacked by her brother?
Theory - maybe Maura and Cieran represents two part of "mother's" brain? One is rational and one is emotional. Mother losing her mind is allegory for brain splitting after turning conscious into the programm. Maybe it's too deep, but these series definately has room for crazy theories :)
spaceship is probably another simulation because of crt monitor,they use on ship lcd tablet...
Also because it is again called Prometheus
Yeah. Probably everything is happening inside Maura's head. Her father and Daniel are The creators since they're the only people remembering everything.
Interesting that Maura’s father only remember what he is supposed to know, he is allegedly “controlling the simulation” but if he was, it doesn’t explain WHY he wants to get out of the simulation, if he is the one in charge of it all he was supposed to be already out and only watching how things goes. That’s why he needs the key to the pyramid because he thinks he will wake up
Interesting and entertaining show. I laugh every time someone says, "Stop lying to me and tell me what's going on" or "Stop lying to me and tell me who you are."
It reminds me of Dark where everyone kept saying, "Das kann nicht sein" (This can't be/that's impossible). I even smiled when Eyk on 1899 said it. It reminded me of when he was Stranger Jonas.
I liked the series, thought it borrowed heavily from other shows that have already been done, but being a history wonk, I had a couple of major problems with them calling it "1899" - "1909" would've been much more historically correct. The ships are models of the Cunard liner "Mauretania" which first sailed in 1907. There was only one four-stack ocean liner in the world in 1899, the "Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" which was very different looking from the "Prometheus" and the "Keboros". Why did none of the ship's crew, especially the officers, have on period-correct uniforms? It's an ocean liner - fine jackets, gold bullion stripes on the sleeves, and visor caps were worn all the time. The ship seems to have an amazingly small number of crewmen and passengers - if there are 1,500 people aboard, we only see the same 25 over and over again. The third class quarters weren't correct for any ocean liners of that period, the wardrobe for the passengers was a mixed bag of three decades worth of fashion, and if it was supposed to be a simulation set in a particular year on a particular ship, they got just about all the details about what was and wasn't historically accurate for an ocean liner in 1899 dead wrong. Interesting show, just showed a remarkable lack of attention to major details.
tell me youre on the spectrum, without telling me youre on the spectrum lol
Wow! What a comment. Thanks for all this information
Because it’s a simulation it’s not actually set in 1899 that’s just the stage in that one simulation. Maybe they didn’t want it to exactly match historical facts but to have it a little bit off. I don’t think it was a mistake
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Everything else mentioned sounds valid and was very interesting to read, but I will argue that we certainly see more than the same 25 people when they all start jumping ship 😬
1899 is the 19th century. The 20th century began on the first of January, 1901. The simulation is set in the 1800s, and the 19th century. We are in the 21st century which is the 2000s.
Who sent the " sink ship" message and why? Can't be Henry as he wanted the key desperately which was on the ship all the time.
Maura's brother?
It's Henry.
@@chickentowel7036 For what purpose?
@@doodlefisher234 To restart the simulation maybe
@@doodlefisher234 Henry is also a part of the simulation. He is aware that it's a simulation. His role is to find the key, if he failed, he needs to sink the ship to restart everything again.
That's why we always get the solo shot of him just staring at the monitors. No matter how many times he saw it, he's always fascinated. That's how he is programmed. They only got self aware when Daniel starts messing with the simulations.
After the line "we never got this far" is the part where they acted differently, not part of the simulations.
It's like playing a game, you can't progress unless you finished some side quests. Henry actually saw the key so he acted differently after that. If he can't find the key he starts the siren with the help of the First Mate with a device, then people will start jumping to their deaths. Releasing the black thing to erase characters. Sending the ship to the whirlpool trash bin. And start over again.
I really liked this show but I feel like if you’ve seen Dark before, you could guess a couple of thing that happened in 1899 (or at least I wasn’t as surprised as I was while watching Dark). I feel like the concept of loop, time, family tree are there again.
I liked it, just felt like the big reveal wasn’t as big this time!
If Maura created the Simulation then why she is also there in her own simulation?
I guess we’re supposed to think her brother trapped her in there, but I feel like her brother is another fake out and it’s really all her somehow.
I loved this show but the effort they made in every corner of the main story was wasted on the ending because at the end nothing in the 7.9 episodes means anything? Or am I wrong? If I’m not then what was the point of making such an amazing story and characters?
I’m hoping the next two seasons explain why we spent so much time with those other character’s back stories. Like did the captain really have a family that died, did Ling really kill her friend etc. If all those people don’t matter I’ll be pretty mad.
@@pamelalansbury94 exactly! I’ll be the same let’s hope I’ve got my fingers and toes crossed 🤞🏾 lol
@@jeanymishwhere did you get that there memories were fake? Those events did happen most likely and they have been in this simualtion for a very long time and time behaves differently here
@@apoorvsingh4459 that would mean that they have been alive for over 300 years?? How?
@@jeanymish they have been in cryosleep and that doesn't age them. Or maybe those events happened in a different setting than showed in a different time zone. But they have to be real memories or very similar with events being the same
This is why you don't write insanely complex stories, they are IMPOSSIBLE to tie together for a good and satisfying ending. (Ever wonder why GRRM takes 20 years to write one book? Now you know.)
The ending of this show was dog shit.
It was far too vague, it created new details in the last 10 minutes, and it left a ton of unanswered questions.
I want the 8 hours of my life back.
Because it's not finished? It's only season one. Obviously there are still questions to be answered
Am I the only one who really want to see the "Calling" scene from the Prometheus Ship's POV? It was some intense and insane scene, chilling stuff
There are so many plot holes in this show it’s unreal. The show was exciting and confusing but things would be shown or talked about and then it was never brought back up.
Ramiro is Portuguese not Spanish!!
Tomatoes tom-ah-toes
I have one episode left so im gonna bounce out of this video before I hear something I don’t want spoiled yet, haha but I’ll be back after I watch the finale. I have a feeling I’ll be watching as many “explained or breakdown” videos as I did 1899 episodes. Mind bending, rather mind-melting stuff.
As a super fan of Dark I didn't think 1899 could live up to the first show but WOW! They really blew me away. While I do LOVE the concept of 1899, I have to be honest in saying there are more than a handful of scenes that really make no sense to me. What was the purpose of the mystery of the simulation? Why would the simulation be filled with so much conflict. What was the point of the little blonde girl dying first? Was Jerome part of the future ship? What role was Maura's father participating in? Was he really aboard the space vessel or just part of the simulation? I don't mind plot holes but some of these questions are gaping. lol Overall I loved the first season but there are some massive questions that I'm not sure actually have answers.
I agree with u! Was really confused about a couple things. Maybe season 2 will give more clarity
Brilliant explanation and amazing video. Well done.
I just finished 1899 in one day , was about to start watching "making 1988" but I had to give my brain a break so im here lol!
It's kind of combination of dark and black mirror, great series
Can someone tell me
1. Why did daniel disappear kerberos in ep 3 when it was near prometheus and where did they go?
2. when the captain came back to prometheus it was in the archives... If the simulation was on a loop then are all the other ships named prometheus or does the name change for each loop?
3. if its all prometheus then why did kerberos also end in the archives?
Seems like different names for each iteration of the simulation.
@@OlgaVDB then when daniel disappeared the kerberos it was near the prometheus on the open sea... When the captain returned to prometheus it was in the archives... Were they both the same ship?
@@asad5644 I'm guessing because Daniel needed Elliot to be found, he "moved" 2 ships together so it was easier for Maura to believe the boy was the only survivor of Prometheus.
@@OlgaVDB yeah makes sense.... Thanks!
Where’s the breakdown exactly? Didn’t explain anything that I didn’t watch
Exactly
I’m new to this collaboration (haven’t watched ‘Dark’), and felt slightly disappointed after watching season 1. At the risk of sharing a potentially unpopular opinion (no offence intended), I found the storyline to be poorly thought through and often wandered in its own self-indulgence. I think perhaps the over-use of simulation potentially aids in disengaging it’s viewer, and indeed sabotages it’s own plot credibility. A lot of the symbolism felt cliched, which is a shame because the actors seemed to be working really hard to counteract this. I can’t help but compare it to the likes of Lynch and Kubrick that execute confusion and hidden meaning so deftly, after watching this.
I think season 2 will be called 2099. And the final season 3 will be called 1999 which will be the present time. Remember at the start of episode one Maura tells herself "the year is 19... 1899"
I was trying to figure out the decor in the flashbacks of her and her husband. Looked like it was 60s lol
this wasn't explanation, you just telling story what we already saw ourselves in the show.. like when people are jumping over board fence because of ticking sound ? U didn't explain what in first place caused their recation. Although u did tell the full show which is great.
1011 is her room number, October 11th, the simulation is 8 days long. So her room number was always a hint that she was in just a simulation
You are simply narrating the show, not explaining it
The promethues spaceship is designed exatly like the main computer on board the ship. ( The complex computer Daniel maipulates onboard the ship ) I truly beleive she awoke in a larger simulation.
1899 maybe the number of times the simulation has repeated itself.
I came here cos the screen on Netflix was so dark, couldn't see anything
Dark is still easily better but this is the best show since for sure. Didn’t care for the late twist being that it’s her brother pulling the strings but I’ll be watching 👀
wasnt DARK made by germans tho?
@@theboysclips2094 it's the same creators, yes they are german
@@mjmm1996 okey thanks
The last scene was so quick, only giving mere seconds to take in the characters,the module and the space ship....it really didn't do the season justice. It ended like it was the next to last episode. I felt robbed of a decent mind blow. The music was intense and so was the scene, it deserved more play. Too bad they cancelled, I would have tuned into the next season.
Ok I'm gonna go watch dark now
Oh boy I'm jealous.... you get to see it for the first time. Its a good series
You have to!!! Dark is a series that stays with you long after it ends. Enjoy it.
So you're saying it's been better than this? I friggin loved this show. This is something Christopher Nolan would do.
Dark is great. S1 was good. S2 is amazing, s3 was ok. Better then 1899
get out your notepad..
At one point I thought Maura's father was Daniel as a younger man and she was actually his wife lol. At one point she said her 'Mother' started to forget them, thought maybe she was the Mother character and not the daughter, if you get Mr. Especially when Daniel said in the flash back when they were in bed about please don't forget.
I hope the spaceship is real. I liked how they're all immigrants like on the steam ship. Although I'm up for anything. I loved it. Aside from the White Rabbit cover. The original is a favorite. Pink does a great version. Covers straying too far from the original melody often bother me. This one just departs too far from it.
So Maura’s father (Henry) is really her son now/then in his old age and still trying to reconcile his trauma through these many iterations?
After every episode my mind was blown and the way it accelerated with the mind twists made me hella confused (in a good way) haven't seen a great series like this in a while great execution
Being that I didn't catch all of the content in the latter episodes, 5, 6, 7 and even some of 8, when it is revealed that Maura currently in the year 2099 traveling through interstellar space, that was just about too much for me to wrap my head around. I have now since watched each episode in full and had I paid attention to all the details initially it wouldn't have been such a surprise, but still mind boggling. The biggest clue that gave everything away to me, was when Daniel told Elliot that they had not made this far thus yet. Had I heard that in my initial viewing, I would've connected pretty quickly what their objective was. Still, waking up in interstellar space with some stellar coordinates really tripped me out.
I love thought provoking sci fi, dark was amazing. And 1899 did not disappoint, a cross between matrix, triangle and lost
I think the spaceship is also a stimulation and they are actually in the year 1999 , I say this based on how outdated the used technology throughout the series is.
1)Why Maura created the Kerberos simulation???
2)how is her father took over it and took the control?
3)how does Maura's husband connected to the simulation?
For me story have an end. That was just a virtual quest.
Elliott went to The Prometheus School of Running Away from Things
It was an interesting show but I didn't like how the reveal was paced. Nothing made sense for a long time and then near the end episodes daniel just starts explaining everything straight up. I was hoping for a more organic reveal through the story instead of a character just saying it out loud all of a sudden as the show neared its end.
As much as I enjoyed the show after the fourth episode I got a bit disappointed. Regardless there’s a lot of potential for this story…..I’m sure it’s been said but everyone do yourself a favour and watch DARK on Netflix, it’s even better than this. I’m about to rematch it a third time
my brain hurts watching the show
This entire series so far is completely pointless in the context of the series itself. It is a lot like time travel shows; where you begin in one place with one state, the time travel occurs and at the end you are right back where you began. Except in this series' context you don't get to see the "before state", all you get to see is the useless time travel, then the beginning state. Basically, the entire series the characters are suspended, asleep, during interstellar travel, that is how the show begins(although you don't get to see it) and that is how it ends.
If you ask me, there are two directions this goes. Either the simulation had malfunctioned, and they somehow worked out a way of escaping it, which would be the premise of the show. Or, their experiences are just them dreaming while they were asleep, likely being just the last few moments right before they all wake up, and they are all waking up at a prescribed time, in order to fulfill the purpose that brought them out to space to begin with.
You don't build a ship that enormous because reasons. There is a purpose to it, a very important purpose to it, as something like that would cost *_TRILLIONS_* of dollars, or the equivalent of dollars in other currencies. And using the resources to build it would put every country on the planet in a tight spot. It isn't like steel grows on trees, there is a finite amount of steel the world can produce each year. To build this spaceship, all of humanity on Earth would have to give up new creations that included steel for many consecutive years. So this ship's purpose would have to be immensely important.
I mean, what would it take for you to give up new cars, new phones, new computers, new tables, new chairs, new dishware, new anything that has ANY amount of steel in it? There would be no new construction or manufacturing of any kind for many consecutive years. Only this ship, and projects that aid in its construction. Honestly, such a thing would inconvenience you in ways you cannot even comprehend right now. Building such a large spaceship as that, would change this world, it would be the end of life on this Earth as you know it. Heh, all just to send almost 2,000 people into space. Man, their objective would have to be vital to humanity's continuance.
So some creator does exist which matches the thinking of Christopher Nolan.
This German show maker are slowly making their name.
It will go from Simulation into Simulation until it shows maras brain hooked up to wires floating in a tank.
16:50 it was Franz who got the key from Maura and gave it to Henry it was Sebastian (the red haired man).
Similarly it wasn't Virginia who had the triangle earings it was Clémence
Sorry to copy, but I just LOVE what I read here:
Friese and bo Odar have ideas for two more seasons, with increased complexity compared to season 1.[2] The planned three-season structure stems from Friese's and bo Odar's film background, where films have three acts.[7] The first season served to establish the theme and characters and pose big questions.[7] If ordered by Netflix, the second season would explain the symbology of the triangles, and Maura's brother would be an important character.[7] bo Odar described this second act as "all about the fun and games, where you play with the theme, and maybe get a little bit more megalomaniacal and crazy, and then resolve it in the third season into a hopefully satisfying resolution."[7]
SOOOOO HYPED for the next seasons, no question Netflix ordering them ! 🎉🎉😂
Correction: Ramiro was Portuguese
So did she make the simulation or was it all her brother? Felt like the final scene changes it all again?
The ending certainly fooled me. Reminded me of an episode of SG Atlantis where they showed crew in suspended animation and linked to each other where they could dream in parallel. Just noticed the picture above the passengers at 4:23, weird, looks like a bunch of naked guys.
Kerberos: a computer-network authentication protocol.
The protocol allows nodes, or redistribution points, to communicate over a non-secure network to prove their identity to one another securely.
Of course it's another simulation -- but if it is reality, perhaps it will be necessary for the participants to enter yet another simulation in order to solve some problem in the "real world." If they can solve it in a simulation, then maybe they can extrapolate the solution to their real-world problem. Like if they're "lost in space" or something.
Just a correction, because this enrages people..., Ramiro wasnt Spanish...he is actually Portuguesse in and outside the show(his name José Pimentão)...Portuguesse people dont like to be confused has Spanish
1899 next season is 2099 then my guess last season would be 1999
Yess
1899 happened on ship
2099 happens on space ship
And 1999 will supposedly happen on aeroplane
I like that it's set just before the last reset of 1902 in our own timeline.
What can we do to continue in a fresh timeline to avoid our next reset due in 2040?
That seems to be underlying the arc of Maura, to teach us. She has alot less time.
Can you elaborate? What do you mean our own resets in 1902 and 2040?
Love this show so much😭 binged it
Also I consider this show a better version of the twist of don’t worry darling
They need to remove shows that they cancelled and left on a cliffhanger on Netflix it’s ridiculous we never get a nice finish
And shows need to stop milking it to make more money and just focus on good storytelling even if it’s only one season long
10K views in 20 hours! Congratulations on this one!
The last shot we see Maura's eye the triangle 🔻 so she is in another simulation. And the real ship or a simulation? This 1899 series is amazing
I love it too because it's a twisty sci-fi mystery box and I couldn't predict where it was going. Loved the ending. Honestly it doesn't need a second season.
this show was fucking crazy i just finished watching and my mind is blown
Well they were in 1899 and end up in 2099 , 200y later... now if you add up the passagers and the crew members you get 1423+550=1973 the year we started our simulation and it will end 200y later in 2173 ... food for thought :)))
Am i the only one who thought that the whole simulation was nonsense, just to keep the crew of the spaceship busy (or train them)?
It's like Matrix you need to keep brain activity going.
But why do they keep same track on them of they only wanted to keep brain activity! They could have done some different things also but why that timing loop?
Agree. At the moment, so much drama doesn't make sense. Maybe it's planned as a peaceful journey via the ocean. The problems begin when Daniel (a virus ai/hacker?) is faking the messages.
And henry states that human beings were weak because of their emotions... So the simulation fails over and over again without arriving the destination.
Characterizing Henry as less emotional and his will to break out of the construct could be a hint for anbartificial intelligence which has developed some kind of consciousness
According to me this movie will have 3 seasons.
1899 -> the past, simulation
2099-> the future, simulation
2035 / 40-> where they will really wake up to present
I need 1899 more seasons.
Netflix's decision to cancel this was not correct 😔
just done watching the series I've gotta say,damn it blew up my mind
1899 canceled. So thanks for this only video. :(
I think in order for season 1 to work, season 2 needs to extent and explain a few things. I think i read that they planning again 3 seasons which is smart. Less chances for Netflix to cancel them. Keep it compact - I don’t need another lost. But in general, I didn’t think it was anywhere near as good as Dark. Too many characters IMO. I would have liked to see a Bermuda Triangle mystery rather. But again, hopefully there will be some payoff coming in S2.
Ok
First of all, everything is just speculations and your ''analysis'' tries too much on a very simple ending. A crew is on a survival mission and that is it. The ending says that. Probably saving a world, just like all these shows and movies do. They send few passengers and a crew, because, usually our world is dying and they try to find another planet to repopulate. Hence you send bunch of people from multiple cultures. Look at movies like passengers from 2016 or pandorum (2009) and many others. They all go to sleep, because the journey is too long and when you wake up from a very long sleep you can't tell the difference between the reality and the dreams you have been having. That's why the show shows lines like ''may your coffee kick in before reality does''. People will be confused after a long sleep. And that's it. And the brother ? Well, who knows... He could be the first to wake up and that's it, there could really be no bad agenda. What if there were ?It does not matter. What's the point of season 2 then if you know what's gonna happen next ? These shows are built on that ''mystery'' and when mystery is solved it loses its value. Season 2 was never in the plans, it is not now. Story is concluded. So this tv series takes a lot from those sci-fi movies I mentioned and others like black mirror or inception and puts it in one place. It was a good show and it is finished.