A great test Peter and well thought out. THANKS FOR SHARING. As far as your slithering friend, it’s all your! I’ve had enough of those in Nam, they creep me out to this day LOL
Please save these test pieces and give us an update in a few months! Ive been looking for an alternative to cork for a while and the PSA backing is super Intriguing
Thanks for sharing this info & demo Peter. Although I live in France, similar products or import may be available. Interesting to check this out. Thanks and success. Cheers, Filip
I feel bad if I said something about your breathing in between sentences. I wished I didn't comment and make you feel self conscious about it. So I hope you can not take my comment so seriously and just post the Normal videos again, without wasting time on editing every sentence. We just love your content because you are a true professional at what you do 👌
Good test, something new to try going to look into this , would be a lot easier to put down. You didn't mention the price is it comparison to regular cork. Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍😀
The price varies greatly by how much you want. I bought 50' rolls of both 1/4" and 1/8" (54" wide) for just under $1000, including shipping. That works out to about 20c/ft. I'm not sure what the current price is for cork roadbed.
Use Peppermint teabags to keep the Vernon and insects away. Inexpensive and works as well as the pros chemicals. I just try not to use chemicals any more than bsolutely necessary
Hello Peter. Another great comparison and test. Thank you. Did you name the snake? I bet your dogs would like a new chew toy. You’ll need to keep them apart. See ya next time.
Curious though: With split cork or foam, one can follow a center line with them.. Unless I'm missing something, you've drawn and followed an OUTSIDE line with your new adhesiv-ed material.. How will this work out for track centers where normally the split in the cork IS the center line ?
No you are not missing anything. I have drawn an edge line rather than a center line. That is easy enough to do provided you know in advance how wide the roadbed will be, and now that I've got used to doing it that way it's second nature to me. The trouble with any roadbed material that uses a center line is that it has to be put down on two strips. That means twice the time and therefore in my situation, twice the expense for the client. The other potential problem with a divided roadbed is that any variation in material thickness will cause problems. That shouldn't be an issue with accurately made material though. When I'm marking out track locations on a solid sheet of roadbed material, I'm often working to a rail-line because that's the easiest thing to trace through from the full-sized track-plan that I often use. You should just use whatever method works best for you and not worry too much about what other people think of it.
Still as solid as ever. BTW: On one layout I built, I had to make a slight adjustment after the track had been down for a few weeks, and was unable to move the foam. I had to cut it away and reattach it with wood glue.
Peter, any thoughts on putting a bevel on this self adhesive foam. Most real world well maintained roadbed always has beveled edges and I would like to stay prototypical and not use cork.
The foam is not intended to be left showing. It needs to be covered with ballast, which sits much better when the edge is vertical because it can find its own angle of repose. angled roadbed makes the ballasting job more difficult.
@@mpeterll You have a technique for getting the ballast to angle? Can you do a video showing how to ballast at a consistent angle, please. Thank you in advance. You have amazing skills!
Nice experiment - hang on to those pieces, but I guess you are going to have to go ahead anyway if it's a question of supply? Not sure if your dogs will take the same relaxed attitude to your new 'colleague', have you named it yet?
Do you have any experience of this happening? I would have thought that the adhesive soaking into the plywood would increase the bond strength if anything.
My experience has been with self adhesive labels and cable tie mounts falling off over a year when applied to bare plywood. If plywood is primed first they seem to stick for good. Hope this helps. Kevin
@@kevingain1144 I would not expect any problems. It's all down to surface area vs. loading. Cable tie mounts have a very small contact surface and potentially quite a lot of load as the wires try to twist or move. With the roadbed, we have a huge gluing surface and virtually no load since the ballast becomes rigid once the glue dries and will hold everything where it is. Also, the ballast glue will no-doubt seep under the edges and glue them firmly.
@@mpeterll An interesting extension to your experiment would be to keep your trial plywood board and check it from time to time over the next year to see if there was any weakening of the bond. Cheers.
Looks like it must be good glue on the self-adhesive foam. I have a deep mistrust of anything self-adhesive as they always seem to have a much shorter "stickability" life than glues you apply yourself. I suppose it's all down to the purpose for which the manufacturers actually make that self adhesive foam.
It's all down to surface area vs. loading. Someone else commented about stick-on wire guides coming unstuck after a time, but wire guides have a very small contact surface and potentially quite a lot of load as the wires try to twist or move. With the roadbed, we have a huge gluing surface and virtually no load since the ballast becomes rigid once the glue dries and will hold everything where it is.
'Rat snake' refers to a family of snakes which contains numerous different species, so that's a fairly vague identification. Obviously yours will be a New World, North American type of which there are about a dozen species, although some are only found in specific areas of the US. If you're interested this wiki link may help you identify it more accurately and from there you can do further searches. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_snake Basically though they are all constrictors and US species are all non-venomous.
I love the snake story. Was hoping to see a pic! 😀
A great test Peter and well thought out. THANKS FOR SHARING.
As far as your slithering friend, it’s all your! I’ve had enough of those in Nam, they creep me out to this day LOL
Love your comparison and tests saves me from doing them. Like the finer ballast too.
Thank you for the detailed video are great watching
Interesting test. Looks like you've found a solid replacement for the old favorite. Hope it serves you well. Thanks for sharing this information. T4
Please save these test pieces and give us an update in a few months! Ive been looking for an alternative to cork for a while and the PSA backing is super Intriguing
Thanks for sharing this info & demo Peter. Although I live in France, similar products or import may be available. Interesting to check this out. Thanks and success. Cheers, Filip
Awesome! Thanks once more.
I feel bad if I said something about your breathing in between sentences. I wished I didn't comment and make you feel self conscious about it. So I hope you can not take my comment so seriously and just post the Normal videos again, without wasting time on editing every sentence. We just love your content because you are a true professional at what you do 👌
Don't worry about it.
That’s cool! Definitely makes things easier
Good test, something new to try going to look into this , would be a lot easier to put down. You didn't mention the price is it comparison to regular cork. Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍😀
The price varies greatly by how much you want. I bought 50' rolls of both 1/4" and 1/8" (54" wide) for just under $1000, including shipping. That works out to about 20c/ft. I'm not sure what the current price is for cork roadbed.
Use Peppermint teabags to keep the Vernon and insects away. Inexpensive and works as well as the pros chemicals. I just try not to use chemicals any more than bsolutely necessary
How are you doing Peter? How things are going? Looks like you are keeping busy.
Hello Peter. Another great comparison and test. Thank you. Did you name the snake? I bet your dogs would like a new chew toy. You’ll need to keep them apart. See ya next time.
The snake is named "Basil", although I haven't seen it again after that day. Maybe it's annoyed with me for scaring it's meal away that time.
Curious though:
With split cork or foam, one can follow a center line with them.. Unless I'm missing something, you've drawn and followed an OUTSIDE line with your new adhesiv-ed material..
How will this work out for track centers where normally the split in the cork IS the center line ?
No you are not missing anything. I have drawn an edge line rather than a center line. That is easy enough to do provided you know in advance how wide the roadbed will be, and now that I've got used to doing it that way it's second nature to me.
The trouble with any roadbed material that uses a center line is that it has to be put down on two strips. That means twice the time and therefore in my situation, twice the expense for the client. The other potential problem with a divided roadbed is that any variation in material thickness will cause problems. That shouldn't be an issue with accurately made material though.
When I'm marking out track locations on a solid sheet of roadbed material, I'm often working to a rail-line because that's the easiest thing to trace through from the full-sized track-plan that I often use. You should just use whatever method works best for you and not worry too much about what other people think of it.
How is the adhesive backed roadbed holding up after two years?
Still as solid as ever.
BTW: On one layout I built, I had to make a slight adjustment after the track had been down for a few weeks, and was unable to move the foam. I had to cut it away and reattach it with wood glue.
Peter, any thoughts on putting a bevel on this self adhesive foam. Most real world well maintained roadbed always has beveled edges and I would like to stay prototypical and not use cork.
The foam is not intended to be left showing. It needs to be covered with ballast, which sits much better when the edge is vertical because it can find its own angle of repose. angled roadbed makes the ballasting job more difficult.
@@mpeterll You have a technique for getting the ballast to angle? Can you do a video showing how to ballast at a consistent angle, please. Thank you in advance. You have amazing skills!
Peter you make ballast seem easy , one question why do you rubber type road bed vs the cork
I've had trouble with cork swelling up during ballasting. From what I've read, I'm not alone.
Peter thank you for information
Thanks for the idea ... Happy Thanksgiving ... God Bless!!!
So what happened about the snake?
I haven't seen it again.
It looks good with the alcohol
Some people would say that everything looks better with alcohol :-)
@@mpeterll Hahahahahahaha
Nice experiment - hang on to those pieces, but I guess you are going to have to go ahead anyway if it's a question of supply?
Not sure if your dogs will take the same relaxed attitude to your new 'colleague', have you named it yet?
Yes, I have named it "Basil", although one would have to be familiar with a certain old British comedy show to get the reference - "keh".
@@mpeterll "No, no. He iiiiiis hamsterrrsnake!"
@@beeble2003 Yes, got it in one.
@@mpeterll Or even older, Bassil Brush.
@@mpeterll So he's your BFF?
I'm for the finer ballast. Yes
Adhesive on back may well be absorbed into unsealed plywood with subsequent longer term failure.
Do you have any experience of this happening? I would have thought that the adhesive soaking into the plywood would increase the bond strength if anything.
My experience has been with self adhesive labels and cable tie mounts falling off over a year when applied to bare plywood. If plywood is primed first they seem to stick for good. Hope this helps. Kevin
@@kevingain1144 I would not expect any problems. It's all down to surface area vs. loading. Cable tie mounts have a very small contact surface and potentially quite a lot of load as the wires try to twist or move. With the roadbed, we have a huge gluing surface and virtually no load since the ballast becomes rigid once the glue dries and will hold everything where it is. Also, the ballast glue will no-doubt seep under the edges and glue them firmly.
@@mpeterll An interesting extension to your experiment would be to keep your trial plywood board and check it from time to time over the next year to see if there was any weakening of the bond. Cheers.
@@kevingain1144 I will probably do that, but I don't have the luxury of waiting a year or ten before starting on the next layout build.
Looks like it must be good glue on the self-adhesive foam. I have a deep mistrust of anything self-adhesive as they always seem to have a much shorter "stickability" life than glues you apply yourself. I suppose it's all down to the purpose for which the manufacturers actually make that self adhesive foam.
It's all down to surface area vs. loading. Someone else commented about stick-on wire guides coming unstuck after a time, but wire guides have a very small contact surface and potentially quite a lot of load as the wires try to twist or move. With the roadbed, we have a huge gluing surface and virtually no load since the ballast becomes rigid once the glue dries and will hold everything where it is.
'Rat snake' refers to a family of snakes which contains numerous different species, so that's a fairly vague identification.
Obviously yours will be a New World, North American type of which there are about a dozen species, although some are only found in specific areas of the US. If you're interested this wiki link may help you identify it more accurately and from there you can do further searches.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_snake
Basically though they are all constrictors and US species are all non-venomous.
Thank-you for the scientific information. I suspected as much.
According to one of my viewers, this particular species is "hamster-snake" :-)
super video👍🙂💓💓😍🍻
Thanks, glad it was useful.
not sure about the snake , it would put me off knowing it was there .. keep safe ...
Maybe I should put up a sign outside: "Warning, guard-snake on duty" to deter anyone from breaking in.