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Making crossovers from Walthers turnouts
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2018
- To combine two standard Walthers turnouts into a crossover, we need to trim the rails and ties on the diverging route.
Rather than simply hacking them off to length with the rail nippers, here is a much easier, neater and better way of doing it.
Thanks for a very informative and useful video. This is my first time viewing your videos.
I will be checking out more videos of yours.
Wow! Thank you so much. What you have shown here is greatly appreciated. I am just now at the age of 45 getting back into HO and HOn3 model railroading. And knowing and having this little trick in my back pocket is going to be very cost effective and saving in my build. I would have never guessed.
Helpful video, and the crossover can be custom-fit to different distances between adjacent tracks.
That is awesome. New to the hobby... making my work bench with test and programming tracks. Going to make a couple crossovers and this will work perfect. Well done and thanks for sharing! 🤠
I have some #10's I am going to use to build a double crossover and this was better than what I thought I was going to need to do. Much cleaner and more professional way to do it than hacking off the rails. Thank you.
I have never thought of this idea thanks for showing us i will use that idea from now on
Exactly the video I needed to see. I am hoping to put #8 and #10 crossovers onto my new layout but have not yet invested in the hardware. Wish me luck! (Probably also pick up the Walthers #6 single crossover because it is cheaper than buying two #6's! 17" by 18'. Three crossovers. Prototypically inspired if not exactly accurate!)
Excellent idea. Once together, it looked as if it was made as an entire crossover.
Great idea! You just solved a problem I am currently facing. Bravo!
You're welcome. Glad it was useful.
Peter, I did that trick years ago with # 5 switches on my Hon3 layout. I need to get my trains up and running, the outside loop had no way to get into the yard. And I couldn't afford to order another switch. Much less wait 6 weeks for arrival time.
Than k s for sharing and jogging an Old Man's memories.
Nicely done! I built a double crossover from 4 #6 Atlas turnouts (2 right, 2 left) and a 19 degree crossing. Stock, the rail spacing is 3". I needed 2". Had to trim 4 turnouts plus the crossing! It was a project, indeed, but it works flawlessly.
I’m just about to attempt this
@@callumfindlay696 As Red Green used to say: "Remember I'm pullin' for ya! We're all in this together!"
For those asking about other brands: I have a pair of Atlas N-scale code 55 #10 turnouts that I am in process of installing as crossover. Unmodified, they work perfectly with 1-1/4" (16.7 scale feet) between centerlines.
Peter , Walthers is bringing out new #6 crossovers. But might not arrive when I need them, so if I use #6 turnouts not much mods required, I need 2 inch track centres , Dan from Walthers referred me to your video, excellent instructions, might give this a try thanks
Great idea...I will be using #6 Micro Engineering turnouts so hopefully they will line up without trimming.
Fro sure tthe value was here. Neat tip and great idea. Thank you for sharing
Muse
Sweet! Yes, the value is there. Thank you for sharing
Wow and I thought you just pushed them together my god it's amazing what you do? great video again well done best wishes Ken
I like this method. great job.
Chuck
Nice! Great value! Thank you.
Well done sir!
pretty slick mod Peter... thx for sharing.. vinny
THANK YOU VERY DETAIL VIDEO AS GREAT WATCHING
Pretty slick!
Awesome technique
Never seen that Super Awesome
Brilliant !
Top vídeo definitely i Will do that
excellent! wow!
Great technique to know, definitely better than hacking at them. Like Otto asked as well, I am curious if this technique is applicable with other turnouts from other manufacturers, ( say, Atlas)? I will have to take a look at some of my old ones and perhaps try experimenting with this. Thanks!
the value was still there. lol. what a easy way to put the two together. looks a bit pain staking sliding them back together. but slow and steady
Good idea. However, if the turnouts are power routing, then you got a series short happening. You would need to isolate both rails pass the frog on the trailing points side.
No, there's no short because the frogs have plastic inserts. The rails don't touch each other.
Thank you,looks a lot simpler than trying to cut the rails with a dremel or a razor saw. Will this work with other turnouts ( #6,#4,).
I mentioned in the video that I did it first with a pair of #6 turnouts and they work perfectly, without the need to trim the rails at all. I haven't tried it with #4's or #8's. Later edit: #8's also work perfectly with no rail trimming required.
You removed the jumpers for polarity, what must you do, if anything, to maintain the polarity?
Do you not have a short or dead spot?
The jumper I removed feeds a rail that is being eliminated entirely. The excess length of the diverging stock rail on the other turnout replaces this rail so no additional feed is necessary. It is still insulated from the frog in the same way as the rail that gets discarded.
So, to answer your questions:
No you don't have to do anything to maintain polarity.
No, there are no shorts or dead spots.
Thank you for the fast response, I am going to look for your previous and future submissions. My late father was the electrical mind.
An after thought question. A crossover is basically a reverse curve. You have reduced the distance between frogs. What is the total tangent distance in the crossover? Will it affect the use of 85’ passenger cars? Standard track design calls for a tangent distance between curves (PT to PT) to exceed the length of the longest car that could use the crossover; this has been modified to a minimum length of 100’. You could cheat and use distance between ends of closure rails. If not the car or cars could have the frames torque, which could cause wheel lift or damage to the draft gear.
I have not yet used #5’s.
You are right about the reverse curve.
All I've done is restore the correct parallel track spacing. If you are running 85' cars, you really shouldn't make your crossovers sharper than #8 (and they will look much better with #10 crossovers if you can possibly spare the space). This layout was designed for 4-axle diesels and 40-50' freight cars - which run satisfactorily on the #5 crossovers. Even so, I would have designed the layout differently - either with #6's or by realigning the track to eliminate the reverse curves.
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I can understand using Walthers products but do you think this procedure be transferred to other manufacturers’ turnouts?
Ie, would it be worth the time invested in the experiment?
I haven't used any other manufacturer's turnouts in about 40 years, so I cannot answer this question. It is unlikely that I will have any need to perform such an experiment. The other company I work with on the commercial builds only ever uses Walthers or Fast-tracks and with fast-tracks the whole crossover can be built as a single unit to start with. It might not even be necessary with other manufacturers' products because they don't all have such long exit rails. I think Peco, for example, make their turnouts the correct length to create crossovers without any modification.
mpeterll - thanks for the input. I have a bunch of old track from my original TYCO sets that made up my original layout. I just don’t want to get rid of it all due the cost of new pieces (I guess that’s the Scottish part of me - LOL).
One of those is a double crossover that right now, I have no idea where I’ve put it.
In a way, it’s just as well as I think if I get back into the hobby, I’ll be going N-scale mainly due to space restrictions (unless I win one of our national “retirement” lotteries - then all bets are off).
yes the same technique works with ME turnouts!
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