Thanks for watching guys! So much discussion happening in the comments from both sides re: folding rigs. I think a follow up video is needed where I use and compare a wheel stand and folding rig!
I think folding rigs have their place. Even if they aren't perfect there is no easier way to get into sim racing in a small space or not living in the same place very long. They obviously not great but many of them like the NLR are priced right and are a better alternative to desk mounting.
When I got my cockpit I couldn’t believe how much it changed my life. It’s a solid legit one. You can get them for so little money now. I would agree avoid cheaper ones.
A good 2nd hand Playseat challenge is a great way to get in to sim racing, if you like the hobby then you can move on to something better without having spent a huge amount of money.
I guess the argument I’m making is that a wheel stand is a better option to a folding rig. However, opinions differ and that’s totally fine! I think a follow up video might need to be made re: folding rigs since this one was definitely the most disagreed with.
@@daniel_gray10can you easily put your metal stand in your car and drive to your friends house ? Cuz I can with my play seat challenge and I also have a metal stand rig and without me reinforcing the hell out of if, my play-seat challenge was sturdier lol and it’s so comfortable and I made a slanted ramp to raise the pedals and turn it into am f1 position so technically it’s an fgt style foldable rig that looks nice unlike nlr foldable rig
I've been looking into proper sim gear for a while now (Been driving with a DFGT clamped onto my desk while in a very awkward position for... quite many years) And the best option for me unfortunately seems to be a folding rig. I don't want to get into the hassle of getting a wheel stand and trying to figure out how to make my chair stay in place, and driving while sitting on the chair gets really uncomfortable and painful after an hour or so. I also have extremely limited amount of space (Rig would basically need to fit under my desk) So the most suitable and least expensive option for me ise a folding rig. It would just about fit in my apartment, it would have... some kind of seat in it and the driving position would be miles better than desk clamped wheel
Yes is true, i have a playseat foldable and i fold in the first weeks and after stay all the time open but the real problem is when i upgrade for fanatec dd pedals v3 and all it moves a lot and is to heavy i have to block the rear to not fall in the pedals it cut damage one cable the 8mn transformer after i only play with 5nm original i will not spent another 150 euros to buy a new one not big diference and if i put a wheel formula 2.5 or f1 ve esports just lost the force.. iam stuck with the mclaren gt3 v2 wheel and wrc p1....
I had a playseat challenge for 2 years and folded it after every use. Not a hassle at all. I highly recommend it over a wheel stand. Hands down. No question. Now i have a playseat trophy which is 100% more rigid and its paired with a csl dd and v2 pedals. And i store it upright and away. Youre just incorrect about foldables.
I had a playseat challenge for years, even with a DD wheel mounted to it in its final state. And yes, I did fold it away after every usage, which did not take longer than 2 minutes. (It's really just about folding it together, that NLR counterpart shown in the video is a totally different story.) For me, it was the perfect solution to set up my sim rig in the living room. Meanwhile we moved to a bigger house and I have a aluminium profile rig on casters in my office. 🙂
I don’t think all of the Playseat products are a waste of money. I have the playseat trophy and I have to say it fantastic. It’s small and light enough for me to put it in a cupboard when I’ve finished using it!
Agree, quite happy with my Trophy. I don't have a lot of free space and racing in VR and it suits me really well. Also compared to other products those Playseat's are available without need of expensive shipping etc
Appreciate the comment! The lightness of the trophy is definitely a unique feature! I guess in my head a low end 80-20 costing the same makes it a tough sell. However the ability to move the trophy around so easily (and even hang it on the wall like I’ve seen some people do) makes it a really good option!
I have also the throphy. Biggest comment 2 years ago was the price. But i noticed that during black friday. The price came very close to the challenge. It can handle my Asetek forte pedals. But in the coming years. I will upgrade to Simlab. Most important part will be the seat. Due how comfy the throphy feals.
Nice video, that was a fun watch. Just curious though, what prices do you see for the Thrustmaster and Logitech DD wheels. Based on what I see on their respective website, I tend to disagree with the statement at 8:31.
Hey man, love your content! I did some fact checking and for the most part you’re correct. Factoring in the wheel rim coming with the Logitech, in Australia it is for the most part cheaper. But I should’ve checked internationally, which I did for the other products. I’ll add a note to the description re the pricing asap. Thanks for watching!
@@daniel_gray10 thanks for the kind words! And good point about the wheel. I can see how the Logitech and Thrustmaster would be closer in cost in consideration of that. Anyway, thanks for a great vid. I look forward to seeing more from you in the future!
Another playseat challenge owner here, and yes I fold it every time. And these folders absolutely have a place, because sometimes (like in my case) there is literally no other option because of limited space.
USB hubs that dont have extra power should also be on there. The amount of weird problems that can be avoided is great, and if you already have a powerstrip on the sim it wouldnt add another cable going off the rig.
@@daniel_gray10what’s r best cockpit under 600 dollars? I was thinking about getting NLR FGT but since I heard you say to avoid it, what else can I try?
I love your point of view on these topics and completely agree with most of them. Folding rigs are definitely a compromise but still have their place, If that's the only option then its better than nothing. Playseat definitely don't seem to be motivated to innovate at all, very stale in my eyes. Luckily, the Trak Racer Rally seat fits me well. I'm 6' 3" and fairly lean and I can sit in it for hours. I've got a Samsung QN90C 50" mounted to the Trak Racer single integrated monitor mount on a TR-160 and have literally zero issues, so this seems to be a decent one. The real car rims are for people with a heap of disposable income. If you're loaded then the price of a real wheel for your sim probably doesn't seem that much to you, I think it's just a cool factor for some. Great video and awesome to find another Aussie channel, you've got a new sub.
I totally disagree with everything you said about the F-GT. They come with strengthening kits now so its probably the cheapest rig you can get that can support DD and proper load-cell pedals without any flexing at all. I always found the seat pretty comfy too as long as you have the lumbar pillow on it.
Appreciate your viewpoint! Honestly the opinions on the f-gt vary massively, some people saying it has flex others saying it doesn’t. At the end of the day though if any of these products work for you that’s great! Thanks for watching!
Disagree on folding rigs, I've had a playseat challenge for a while and it takes 10 seconds to fold up the pedals and squeeze it a bit for it to take up way less of a footprint. There's flex but not something you notice massively with a cheaper wheel which is what you'll likely be using on this anyway. The fixed seating position where pedals and wheel is in the exact same spot in relation to you is imo much better than a wheelstand. Wheelstands also usually mean a freestanding chair or at best loosely fixed and I find it way more annoying for my chair to move under braking than some minor flex. My two cents.
NLR F-GT is not at all a bad product. considering they sell them new for 400eur. put on real car seat as i did with mine and u have great option for price. also i change seating position depending on what type of races im mostly in at the moment. when i was driving only formula cars and GT3 i liked it in formula style, now im more into rally and drifting and use GT style. all it takes are 4 bolts.
I've owned one for almost one and a half year and i have not experienced these problems and they shouldn't be if you can screw things together and doesn't weigh like a blue whale
I bought nlr wheel stand DD and paired it with nlr seat add on....the stand has a good quality but man the seat which costs almost 700€ is so crap.Its very thinn and the materials they used are so low quality
I have a folding cockpit and I unfold it every time I am going to use it, but I see where you're coming from, your argument is valid, specially by the rigidity point of view, but these do have a very specific use case where they were designed for, people with very cramped spaces and a single monitor, like me, for me to buy a full size rig I would need more space and a dedicated ultra wide monitor at the very least (which I'd love to have btw) but I see that your argument is directed to people with enough space, budget and dedication to the sim, which is totally valid
When I had my Logitech g920 I did use a 3rd party wheel, it was much much heavier than the original wheel, made the performance of the rig suffer a lot. While it felt cool at first I just noticed to many downfalls with it. Another is a Foldable racing seat, bought a decent one, while it was all set up I had fun but as soon as you were done playing it was such a pain to dismount everything and put back in my closet since personally I didnt have any space to leave it unfolded, the hassle alone made me not want to play, so I sold it and bought a table clamp for my Moza wheel base, now I play a lot more and while I dont have the feeling of sitting more horisontally like you would a car, its a much better feeling knowing I can dismount and unmount in less than 2 minutes. But if you do have the space for it definetly buy an actual seat and rig. I will as soon as I move to a bigger place. Also wanna say that I dont recommend doing small upgrades from time to time, its better to save then spend it on something with better quality, for example. I went from a Logitech G920 to Thrustmaster Gt300, to Moza R5 all within a year and a half. What I should have done was skip the thrustmaster entirely but I wasnt smart about it. While I did make a bit of money back selling it, I still came out negative. Plus Direct Drive wheels are getting so much cheaper, if you're thinking of using a wheel at least 4 hours a week I would definetly reccommend saving upo for DD.
I have a custom wheel for my G29, but it is actually much lighter than the stock rim as it is made of real carbon fibre and not just a sticker over plastic. I have VRS Pro pedals and a 160mm profile rig to handle them. Pedals were the most important upgrade and my rig can now also handle a DD when I upgrade.
@@Reazy- I didn't do it for the G29. I already had that for years first. Pedals are the most important upgrade. And you can't use 200kg load cell pedals on the floor, so I needed the rig to use them. Whilst a DD gives you more feedback, you can still drive perfectly fine with a G29. Crappy pedals on the other hand, will slow you down.
@@Hellknight27 your right, the number 1 lesson is if you upgrade one thing you need to upgrade something else, ive spent way more money than i thought I would need originally because there is always something thats not up to standard. For me i just went with the fanatec ecosystem and im quite happy with it
@@thegeneral1955 a good like 8nm direct drive will make you a lot quicker and more precise too, but a good rig is a necessity for Avoiding back pain, pedal movement etc.
I think you can just go ahead and put all sim racing seats on this list. If you go to your local junkyard you can get an incredibly comfortable seat that's meant to be sat in for hours and hours on end as well as adjustable rails for about $40. It also has the added bonus of recycling and not adding to the junk in this world.
I have a Playseat Evolution, and for me it's perfect. yes it wobles a bit with my fanatec CSW v2.5 , and because i use only 2 pedals the bar in the midle is not an issue, but the thing is, i live in a appartment and i cant have a dedicated sim, so when i use it, i just move it from the side of my desk and put it in front of it, do a few races and move it back to the side, i am happy my wife is happy because i do not have a huge piece of metal in the middle of the office. Win win
i got a madara from amazon 2 weeks ago and love it i am waiting for the wheel bundle to show up though says tomarrow will be 15 years i had to wait to get back into it
I will say, I bought a 3D printed F1 wheel for the Logitech G920 for like $80 AUD and it's great. It's about the same weight as the base wheel so the force feedback is about the same, but I just love that it's shaped as a Formula wheel as I always play F1
I have a folding rig with a thrustmaster tmx pro (soon a dd1 when it gets delivered 💀) i almost dont fold it, only when the cleaner comes clean my room, i didn’t even buy it because it was foldable, but because it was one of the cheaper rigs
1. Agree 100%, and not just for their wheels, but all gear. 2. Agree 75%. They are good if you don't intend to fold them, but maybe every now and then you do want to fold it. So like 6 days not folded, 1 day folded. 3. Disagree. Playseat Trophy has no competitor for what it offers. 4-5 No opinion, no experience. 6. Agree 95%. 7. Agree 100%. 8. Agree 100% 9. Don't know. 10. Agree.
Foldable rigs have their place still, I think - in my case I have GT Omega Art rig, which is completely enough for me and comfortable. But… I travel a lot because of my work, so I’m taking ps5 with me. And what to do with a rig, that I miss so much during trips? Put a foldable rig in my car with me. About belt drive - these days yes, dd is really much more reachable by budget. At the time I bought T-GT II it was in my budget for a really good discount price, and this is my first wheel also. DD was much more expensive. And I’m still happy with that (and T-lcm of course) 🤷♂️
I agree a lot with the opinion on folding rigs, but it appears in the comments that topic has already been COOKED. Order up, now onto the desserts. In the US, prices are a bit different than AU, and I think your opinion is fair for the T818 DD from Thrustmaster, but only with what the prices may be in AU. However, in the US, the Thrustmaster DD is priced at $650 USD for the base, and wheels start at $180 USD(but regularly go on sale). The only caveat comes at a surprise that a mounting solution is sold separately(another $40?). This brings the price of the setup to $870, which is considerably more reasonable than a full $1k. I have not had a single issue with my T818, and believe it will last for much longer than 10 years. if not, longer. With the strength of the Thrustmaster brand and the future promisings in their ecosystem, I think in time it will prove itself among the best. The Logitech DD on the other hand starts at $1000 USD, and has all the components together as ready to race. There is only one wheel, but we are yet to see what else is released. I believe the T818 is a direct competitor with Logitech's offerings, and the T818 might be slightly better for both price and strength of ecosystem currently. Both Logitech and Thrustmaster have great customer support, which is very important to consumers looking to purchase in this price bracket. Fanatec is a must avoid currently, at least in Europe, until they sort out their shipping logistics and poor customer support. MOZA might be one of the better options, with a good selection of budget Direct Drive wheelbases, and quality wheels, but being a relatively newer company it is difficult to recommend them simply for the lack of their record. Thank you Twitch Chat for coming along on my TED talk.
I built my own rig 40/120 profiles, triple 27 inch monitors with an integrated monitor mount of my own design, made of 40/40 profiles. I run a VRS DD pro wheelbase and I have no issues with vibration or flex whatsoever, and I'm very, very meticulous when it comes to vibrations or flex. I wouldn't do it with triple 32 inch monitors though and I probably wouldn't do it if I had a motion rig.
i wouldn't buy an expensive wheel for the G29/G920. I bought a cheap ebay steering wheel and a $6 adapter for the wheel. Yes, I voided the warranty, by my own choice, and the motor isn't designed for a bigger wheel, but the standard wheel is just too small for mine, and a lot of other people's liking. I don't see a problem with it, as long as you know what you're doing, and why you're doing it.
I'd put the T300 in the same bucket as the more expensive belt-drive bases. The Moza R5 is only around 10% more money, and it's a DD base, with a great upgrade path. Even the T150 could be questionable - the Cammus C5 exists... Only reason to get one of these would be if you find one at a great price second hand.
Regarding sim rig, just do what I did, after having a foldable one, the fgt lite, that playseat with that flag pole holding the wheel base, i went to the home depot, grab few 2x4s and some spray cans, to the nearest junkyard grab myself a seat, bestbuy an openbox 55" tv and build myself a beast of a cockpit, even got a side console with cup holders, doesnt look great and lives in the basement, but does the job perfectly fine and I spent (with the tv included) a fraction of all that crap they sell out there Now I dont have a brand name crap cockpit with a g29 anymore, now i have a homemade cockpit with a fanatec rig Cheers
The only thrustmaster wheel base worth buying is the TX/T300. Anything lower end is held together with hot glue and greed. Anything higher end might as well go Fanatec. I used to have a TMX force feedback. It broke after a few months of use during covid. I could not get a hold of thrustmaster so I tried to fix it myself. When I opened it up, I discovered it was incredibly cheaply made with hot glue everywhere inside. I suspect either the power supply died, or the motor cooked itself because the tiny fan meant to cool it wasn't working. Either way, I couldn't find a place to buy those parts so I gave up and just got myself an upgrade a few years later. Still really upset I couldn't even contact them to get it replaced under warranty.
Had the NLR GT Lite, it was so shit, so happy I returned it, it had literally more flex than my desk, such a waste of money. Every time someone is interested in these things I fight with my life to save them from buying this shit. Agree with the entire list, some of the buying decisions of other people just confuse me, like you’re gonna spend 1k for a DD and then get a Thrustmaster? Really? That’s the best thought your brain could come up with? Or that Playseat trash with a giant middle bar between your legs? Idk, they’ll pay twice eventually and learn their lesson I guess
I agree buying new go for DD but i will say also shop the used markets also. I was able to snap a TSXW with the 7+R shifter on a NLR Ultimate GTV2 Frame for $500 total making that a hell of a starter build and this has lasted me 5 years. I now use different pedals but the TSXW is still okay but ready for a DD.
For the real car rims one, I feel like it's purely novelty. Sellers and buyers both know. I feel like to buy one of those you have to really like the car, driver, team, or manufacturer AND have plenty of disposable income. They're like novelty collectors items that you can actually use. But I agree most people will never use them in an actual car
BRO Do you know anything about G29 wheel rims? They are the best cheapest way to enter drifting without spending 800 dollars to buy a direct drive. And do you know that most of the Asian players got foldable rigs due to limited space. They are cheap and they are good quality.
Folding rigs are a actually great option to get started... many of us with a now a full blown sim rig started with a Playseat Challenge... No need to downvote it or disregard it.
For the last product, I think the target audience is just totally different. No serious sim racer would buy it. It's marketed towards rich people who wouldn't bat an eye at a 10k expense. Hell, they're probably so used to expensive options on cars they think 10k is a good deal.
1. Wheel Stands have big disadvantage to folding rigs... They're separate to the seat and can move around when driving. 2. Playseat Evolution isn't made for 20 years. It's succesor to Playseat Revolution. IMO a lot better design because u don't really notice that post with wheel deck. Pedal deck was flex crap too tho. 3. NLR made version of F1-GT prepared for use any bucket seat. 4. Most of low-end DD are crap. Plastic shaft in CSL DD, bad motor and software choices in Moza etc. There's no strong point of going DD below Simagic Alpha Mini or go with ANY Moza product. The only good low end DD might be Cammus C5 but I haven't tested it yet. 5. T818 is just plastic crap for Thrustmaster Fanboys. It's way ovepriced and looks like Thrustmaster have too much plastic in their warehouse. Plastic adapter and QR attached to 10Nm motor? Really?! Same for their entry level T128 and T248 - plastic crap compared to T150 which have some metal parts inside to make it more sturdy. 6. How u dare telling that any of VRS products are bad! HAHA I got u xD
I love my sim rig, but yes a 20kg rig is a pain in the ass to move but screw having to mount and unmount a wheel, handbrake, and shifter just to use my pc for normal games. The pedals also send me flying backwards when i try hard breaking so i need the rig to keep my chair still and another thing is i dont trust the clamps on a DD wheels or my desk. (I use the next level racing wheel stand 2.0 and it is extremely durable)
The most cheap DD wheel that you can buy in my country cost something like 4 Month Minimum Wages(the MMW here is like 265~270 dollars)... just the motor, a good wheel would be another half of a MMW. The logitech Pro one that should be the cheapest, is about 7.5 MMW. even the most basic G29/G920 cost at least 1.25 MMW, and the G923 is almost 2 MMW. Considering most people here lives on a single MMW, maybe even 2 if you're lucky. Yeah, not the DD Wheels are not getting cheap at all. I just bout my G920, and was looking for a folding rig , but maybe i want one that don't fold anymore, but hey the cheapest that is GOOD is a MMW, haha, fuck this country(Brasil).
I have a folding sim rig. Playseat challenge. I fold it up after every weekend because my wife would murder me if I didn't. Would love a fixed rig but just don't have the space.
i agree with the seats.. i want seats where i can sit and play for hours, bucket seats or racing seats are cool when you really racing in the car,but when you chillin at the house, having a good time, i dont need the seat to hold me down, i rather be comfortable.. get a seat from the junk yard, its way cheaper, i have a evo, that came with lancer seats (final editions in the US), not recaros... anyways, got some recaros for the evo, and used the lancer seats for my sim, replaced the bucket seats, so much more comfortable.
I had playseat challenge, always folded it after use, for two reasons - first, I was really short on space, second - it literally took two minutes to unplug everything, fold it and store away. So, I don't agree. NLR is a huge hassle to fold which is the very reason I went with the playseat challenge.
I would stay away from Thrustmaster in general. Shit quality control and alot of issues. 9/10 of my Thrustmaster products were defective when they came to me……..
Since you said pls I subed 🤘🏼🏁I've heard subs dont really matter(yeah sure) I think it's views that you want . Thx for the info . Opinions r like buttholes , everybody has one🏎️
I never fold my rig unless I am bringing it with me. It is helpful that my NLR F GT Lite folds and fits in my car. I always leave it in GT position. I only got the version that does both because it was bigger.
Hi Daniel! I appreciate your comment on folding rigs and I think your position serves as a valuable cautionary tale. I have a NLR F-GT Lite and I will say I am on high end of the proverbial varying mileage. I find my rig to be stable and relatively easy to customize, and what I love the most is how I can switch between an upright and a formula-style position (I use a position somewhere between the two) I agree that the folding/unfolding process is quite cumbersome, but it offers advantages if your space is limited. For example, I leave it unfolded, but fold up the pedals when not in use to clear the space, ad unfolding is a 15 second task. I've also folded it up when I was moving, and more recently, when I was rearranging my office space. While it's not for everyone and certainly not as easy as the packaging will proclaim, I think there are some benefits to them. Not disagreeing with you, rather showing my own positive experience. Thanks!
I am using playseat challenge and I must say I love it. I live with my wife and there is just no place for me to put a rig fulltime in the house. I unfold it before every usage and fold it right after. It literally takes me 2 minutes to do so and then I have couple of hours of driving so its all good. Honestly I think im into simracing because of foldable rigs.
My folding rig sucks. I have to climb in. It's a real hassle, for sure. Finding it up is annoying. Moving all the cord. You're so right, i never play it because damn, it's a hassle.
Another foldable rig user here, playsear challenge to be precise and I fold it up every time. I don't agree at all with the point about foldable rigs as they definitely have their right. I live in an apartment and don't have that much space and my wife would like me to put it away too as she uses the space too. So a foldable rig suits that perfectly.
I have to agree with almost everything. Upgrading the wheel for the Logitech is only worth it if you go for something like Acelith. Folding rig and Playseat are piece of trash for sure.
Naaah sorry but folding rigs are definetly a great option. I used to have the next level racing one because I lived in a tiny appartment and needed something that can be folded and give me a proper seating position which that seat gave me and the flex? I had a 8nm csl dd mounted to it and it barely flexed.
For real people are putting full on direct drive money into a Logitech that feels like a toy. When if they would of held off or sell their Logitech, they could get a moza or fanatec entry level complete set up.
Personally, I use an ExtremeSimRacing SXT V2 folding rig, and it's wonderful. I fold it up, put it against the wall next to my desk, and it only take about a minute each way to get it ready or put it away.
I own a PlaySeat Challenge and I fold and unfold it almost every other day when do race (or do Euro Truck). Any other setup would be impossible since where I set it up is also my main desk for work and playing other games.
i customized my g29 for 2 reasons 1 being because im not giving it back when im done with it its getten thrown out and 2 i can because i chose to there was no other wheel for ps that was as good or better hat was cheap enough it all i got was a cheap wheel and a quick release its not that bad
I fold and unfold my playseat challenge every day in less than a minute. Just get your wiring set up for a quick disconnect and it’s no problem. I love it
Playseat Challenger owner: you're right that i never fold it up and put it away after every use. However, it's been such a far superior experience over using my wheel at the desk. I've never used a wheel stand so can't comment on that.
I got folding rig I live in small place best idea for small place and if u on a budget yeah but other then that if it something short term stick to your table till then or get one
Lol I love my FGT rig, it’s the most affordable formula style rig. And it’s actually very comfortable in the formula position. Also the flex is almost gone with the upgrade kit. I also like the small footprint and affordability
I got my first rig 2 weeks ago with the trophy playseat and I have to say its not that bad. On the large config it flexes a bit under heavy breaking but everything else is pretty decent imo.
My first wheel was a g29 , no idea about wheels but wanted to try , soon as i got g29 i knew it needed some sort of rig or desk or someting . Fold down playseat was cheapest option and both them combined after a while i knew i wanted to get into sim racing for sure , the playseat was not the best but i folded it down lots and got it out lots to . Playseat is a good way of trying out sim racing to see if its a thing you want to take further . By the way now im omega prime rig with fanatec dd pro . But will always remember it was the playseat and g29 that got me hooked 😊
I built my first sim rig out of an old exercise machine and plywood. Used my foldup fishing seat from my boat. I had a 19'' monitor and a Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel. Fast forward- Omega GT Art cockpit, Logitech G Pro wheel/pedals. Varjo Aero for vr racing. LG C1 OLED 55'' for all other games. Sim racing is fun.
Thanks you for the video. I have a G923. Do you recommend change my wheel? I see some products but they are’nt cheap. I’m affraid to waste more money for something worst that i have. I play F1 and like a wheel with the F1 line but i can continue playing in g923.
I got an acelith rim for my g29, and it is really great quality and to _ME_ id say it was absolutely worth it. That one was 27cm tho, and yes those big 32, 34 cm wheels would completely kill the already pathetic ffb on the g29, size really does matter I then saved up and am now on simucube with high end wheels, and im just glad i skipped the "entry level sub
This man is spittin lol. I started with a folding rig and realized I left it deployed all the time cause it was such a pain in the ass to fold up. Then I went with an FGT 😂. Finally got rid of that and got a 8020 rig during Black Friday. Any seats you recommend? I’m sending back the NRG prisma I got cause it’s giving me the same issues you mentioned with the Trak racer seats
I have the nlr foldable rig. I'm a student so about two thirds of the year I am not racing that much. But when we are on vacation (the other third) I use my rig a lot. In a small apartment, this is the ideal solution for me. I think there are a sizeable market of people with my needs, so foldable should stay!
Thanks for watching guys!
So much discussion happening in the comments from both sides re: folding rigs.
I think a follow up video is needed where I use and compare a wheel stand and folding rig!
And it has been 2 weeks and there is no video next week
@@h1i0a Time is subjective hahaha, in all seriousness there will be a video this sunday (sat night usa and europe)
I think folding rigs have their place. Even if they aren't perfect there is no easier way to get into sim racing in a small space or not living in the same place very long. They obviously not great but many of them like the NLR are priced right and are a better alternative to desk mounting.
When I got my cockpit I couldn’t believe how much it changed my life. It’s a solid legit one. You can get them for so little money now. I would agree avoid cheaper ones.
A good 2nd hand Playseat challenge is a great way to get in to sim racing, if you like the hobby then you can move on to something better without having spent a huge amount of money.
I guess the argument I’m making is that a wheel stand is a better option to a folding rig. However, opinions differ and that’s totally fine!
I think a follow up video might need to be made re: folding rigs since this one was definitely the most disagreed with.
@@daniel_gray10can you easily put your metal stand in your car and drive to your friends house ? Cuz I can with my play seat challenge and I also have a metal stand rig and without me reinforcing the hell out of if, my play-seat challenge was sturdier lol and it’s so comfortable and I made a slanted ramp to raise the pedals and turn it into am f1 position so technically it’s an fgt style foldable rig that looks nice unlike nlr foldable rig
I've been looking into proper sim gear for a while now (Been driving with a DFGT clamped onto my desk while in a very awkward position for... quite many years)
And the best option for me unfortunately seems to be a folding rig. I don't want to get into the hassle of getting a wheel stand and trying to figure out how to make my chair stay in place, and driving while sitting on the chair gets really uncomfortable and painful after an hour or so. I also have extremely limited amount of space (Rig would basically need to fit under my desk)
So the most suitable and least expensive option for me ise a folding rig. It would just about fit in my apartment, it would have... some kind of seat in it and the driving position would be miles better than desk clamped wheel
started with a folding one but never really folded it
Yes is true, i have a playseat foldable and i fold in the first weeks and after stay all the time open but the real problem is when i upgrade for fanatec dd pedals v3 and all it moves a lot and is to heavy i have to block the rear to not fall in the pedals it cut damage one cable the 8mn transformer after i only play with 5nm original i will not spent another 150 euros to buy a new one not big diference and if i put a wheel formula 2.5 or f1 ve esports just lost the force.. iam stuck with the mclaren gt3 v2 wheel and wrc p1....
I had a playseat challenge for 2 years and folded it after every use. Not a hassle at all. I highly recommend it over a wheel stand. Hands down. No question.
Now i have a playseat trophy which is 100% more rigid and its paired with a csl dd and v2 pedals. And i store it upright and away.
Youre just incorrect about foldables.
I guess my point in the video was that a wheel stand would be better. But none the less, different opinions are always good!
I had a playseat challenge for years, even with a DD wheel mounted to it in its final state. And yes, I did fold it away after every usage, which did not take longer than 2 minutes. (It's really just about folding it together, that NLR counterpart shown in the video is a totally different story.)
For me, it was the perfect solution to set up my sim rig in the living room.
Meanwhile we moved to a bigger house and I have a aluminium profile rig on casters in my office. 🙂
I don’t think all of the Playseat products are a waste of money. I have the playseat trophy and I have to say it fantastic. It’s small and light enough for me to put it in a cupboard when I’ve finished using it!
I agree, nothing else like the trophy on the market
Personally prefer the trophy over the omega prime cockpit...far more comfortable and looks better
Agree, quite happy with my Trophy. I don't have a lot of free space and racing in VR and it suits me really well. Also compared to other products those Playseat's are available without need of expensive shipping etc
Appreciate the comment!
The lightness of the trophy is definitely a unique feature! I guess in my head a low end 80-20 costing the same makes it a tough sell. However the ability to move the trophy around so easily (and even hang it on the wall like I’ve seen some people do) makes it a really good option!
I have also the throphy. Biggest comment 2 years ago was the price. But i noticed that during black friday. The price came very close to the challenge. It can handle my Asetek forte pedals. But in the coming years. I will upgrade to Simlab. Most important part will be the seat. Due how comfy the throphy feals.
Whats this? A video? Can not compute..
Nice video, that was a fun watch. Just curious though, what prices do you see for the Thrustmaster and Logitech DD wheels. Based on what I see on their respective website, I tend to disagree with the statement at 8:31.
Aye man what’s going on love the content 🤙🏽🤙🏽
@@eldominici3732 thanks very much!
Hey man, love your content!
I did some fact checking and for the most part you’re correct.
Factoring in the wheel rim coming with the Logitech, in Australia it is for the most part cheaper. But I should’ve checked internationally, which I did for the other products.
I’ll add a note to the description re the pricing asap.
Thanks for watching!
@@daniel_gray10 thanks for the kind words! And good point about the wheel. I can see how the Logitech and Thrustmaster would be closer in cost in consideration of that. Anyway, thanks for a great vid. I look forward to seeing more from you in the future!
Another playseat challenge owner here, and yes I fold it every time. And these folders absolutely have a place, because sometimes (like in my case) there is literally no other option because of limited space.
NO WAY - Two videos in a row!?!?!?!?!? This man is a changed man
USB hubs that dont have extra power should also be on there. The amount of weird problems that can be avoided is great, and if you already have a powerstrip on the sim it wouldnt add another cable going off the rig.
I fell into this trap, even with a powered one. I bought a cheap powered one and had so many issues, had to upgrade it to a good one. Great point!
@@daniel_gray10what’s r best cockpit under 600 dollars? I was thinking about getting NLR FGT but since I heard you say to avoid it, what else can I try?
GT Omega make superb stuff whether it be a stand or full rig. Highly recommend.
I love your point of view on these topics and completely agree with most of them. Folding rigs are definitely a compromise but still have their place, If that's the only option then its better than nothing. Playseat definitely don't seem to be motivated to innovate at all, very stale in my eyes. Luckily, the Trak Racer Rally seat fits me well. I'm 6' 3" and fairly lean and I can sit in it for hours. I've got a Samsung QN90C 50" mounted to the Trak Racer single integrated monitor mount on a TR-160 and have literally zero issues, so this seems to be a decent one. The real car rims are for people with a heap of disposable income. If you're loaded then the price of a real wheel for your sim probably doesn't seem that much to you, I think it's just a cool factor for some.
Great video and awesome to find another Aussie channel, you've got a new sub.
I totally disagree with everything you said about the F-GT. They come with strengthening kits now so its probably the cheapest rig you can get that can support DD and proper load-cell pedals without any flexing at all. I always found the seat pretty comfy too as long as you have the lumbar pillow on it.
Appreciate your viewpoint!
Honestly the opinions on the f-gt vary massively, some people saying it has flex others saying it doesn’t. At the end of the day though if any of these products work for you that’s great!
Thanks for watching!
Disagree on folding rigs, I've had a playseat challenge for a while and it takes 10 seconds to fold up the pedals and squeeze it a bit for it to take up way less of a footprint. There's flex but not something you notice massively with a cheaper wheel which is what you'll likely be using on this anyway. The fixed seating position where pedals and wheel is in the exact same spot in relation to you is imo much better than a wheelstand.
Wheelstands also usually mean a freestanding chair or at best loosely fixed and I find it way more annoying for my chair to move under braking than some minor flex.
My two cents.
NLR F-GT is not at all a bad product. considering they sell them new for 400eur. put on real car seat as i did with mine and u have great option for price. also i change seating position depending on what type of races im mostly in at the moment. when i was driving only formula cars and GT3 i liked it in formula style, now im more into rally and drifting and use GT style. all it takes are 4 bolts.
I've owned one for almost one and a half year and i have not experienced these problems and they shouldn't be if you can screw things together and doesn't weigh like a blue whale
I bought nlr wheel stand DD and paired it with nlr seat add on....the stand has a good quality but man the seat which costs almost 700€ is so crap.Its very thinn and the materials they used are so low quality
I have a folding cockpit and I unfold it every time I am going to use it, but I see where you're coming from, your argument is valid, specially by the rigidity point of view, but these do have a very specific use case where they were designed for, people with very cramped spaces and a single monitor, like me, for me to buy a full size rig I would need more space and a dedicated ultra wide monitor at the very least (which I'd love to have btw) but I see that your argument is directed to people with enough space, budget and dedication to the sim, which is totally valid
When I had my Logitech g920 I did use a 3rd party wheel, it was much much heavier than the original wheel, made the performance of the rig suffer a lot. While it felt cool at first I just noticed to many downfalls with it.
Another is a Foldable racing seat, bought a decent one, while it was all set up I had fun but as soon as you were done playing it was such a pain to dismount everything and put back in my closet since personally I didnt have any space to leave it unfolded, the hassle alone made me not want to play, so I sold it and bought a table clamp for my Moza wheel base, now I play a lot more and while I dont have the feeling of sitting more horisontally like you would a car, its a much better feeling knowing I can dismount and unmount in less than 2 minutes. But if you do have the space for it definetly buy an actual seat and rig. I will as soon as I move to a bigger place.
Also wanna say that I dont recommend doing small upgrades from time to time, its better to save then spend it on something with better quality, for example. I went from a Logitech G920 to Thrustmaster Gt300, to Moza R5 all within a year and a half. What I should have done was skip the thrustmaster entirely but I wasnt smart about it. While I did make a bit of money back selling it, I still came out negative. Plus Direct Drive wheels are getting so much cheaper, if you're thinking of using a wheel at least 4 hours a week I would definetly reccommend saving upo for DD.
I have a custom wheel for my G29, but it is actually much lighter than the stock rim as it is made of real carbon fibre and not just a sticker over plastic. I have VRS Pro pedals and a 160mm profile rig to handle them. Pedals were the most important upgrade and my rig can now also handle a DD when I upgrade.
Its crazy to do allat for a g29
@@Reazy- I didn't do it for the G29. I already had that for years first. Pedals are the most important upgrade. And you can't use 200kg load cell pedals on the floor, so I needed the rig to use them. Whilst a DD gives you more feedback, you can still drive perfectly fine with a G29. Crappy pedals on the other hand, will slow you down.
@@Hellknight27 your right, the number 1 lesson is if you upgrade one thing you need to upgrade something else, ive spent way more money than i thought I would need originally because there is always something thats not up to standard. For me i just went with the fanatec ecosystem and im quite happy with it
@@Reazy-Pedals are the biggest upgrade that’ll make you faster. Everything else is mostly for immersion at least for road racing.
@@thegeneral1955 a good like 8nm direct drive will make you a lot quicker and more precise too, but a good rig is a necessity for Avoiding back pain, pedal movement etc.
I think you can just go ahead and put all sim racing seats on this list. If you go to your local junkyard you can get an incredibly comfortable seat that's meant to be sat in for hours and hours on end as well as adjustable rails for about $40. It also has the added bonus of recycling and not adding to the junk in this world.
The trak racer TRX GT/F1 rig dispels your myth.
I have a Playseat Evolution, and for me it's perfect. yes it wobles a bit with my fanatec CSW v2.5 , and because i use only 2 pedals the bar in the midle is not an issue, but the thing is, i live in a appartment and i cant have a dedicated sim, so when i use it, i just move it from the side of my desk and put it in front of it, do a few races and move it back to the side, i am happy my wife is happy because i do not have a huge piece of metal in the middle of the office. Win win
I have the same setup, although I do have mine in our basement livingroom my wife still "needs" it moved every time we have company. 🙄
@@GT-zm5ji 😂😂
i had a folding rig and it broke in half while i was playing that was the last rig i had till today. and yes that was super funny when it broke!!
i got a madara from amazon 2 weeks ago and love it i am waiting for the wheel bundle to show up though says tomarrow will be 15 years i had to wait to get back into it
Playseat trophy is quite nice though mate
Appreciate the post Daniel.. good job.. Glad I do not have any of these on my rig.. (whew!).. Thanks again.. DMAX
I will say, I bought a 3D printed F1 wheel for the Logitech G920 for like $80 AUD and it's great. It's about the same weight as the base wheel so the force feedback is about the same, but I just love that it's shaped as a Formula wheel as I always play F1
I have a folding rig with a thrustmaster tmx pro (soon a dd1 when it gets delivered 💀) i almost dont fold it, only when the cleaner comes clean my room, i didn’t even buy it because it was foldable, but because it was one of the cheaper rigs
I’m so happy I canceled the seat from tr rally, ended up going with an nrg!
1. Agree 100%, and not just for their wheels, but all gear.
2. Agree 75%. They are good if you don't intend to fold them, but maybe every now and then you do want to fold it. So like 6 days not folded, 1 day folded.
3. Disagree. Playseat Trophy has no competitor for what it offers.
4-5 No opinion, no experience.
6. Agree 95%.
7. Agree 100%.
8. Agree 100%
9. Don't know.
10. Agree.
Foldable rigs have their place still, I think - in my case I have GT Omega Art rig, which is completely enough for me and comfortable. But… I travel a lot because of my work, so I’m taking ps5 with me. And what to do with a rig, that I miss so much during trips? Put a foldable rig in my car with me. About belt drive - these days yes, dd is really much more reachable by budget. At the time I bought T-GT II it was in my budget for a really good discount price, and this is my first wheel also. DD was much more expensive. And I’m still happy with that (and T-lcm of course) 🤷♂️
I agree a lot with the opinion on folding rigs, but it appears in the comments that topic has already been COOKED. Order up, now onto the desserts.
In the US, prices are a bit different than AU, and I think your opinion is fair for the T818 DD from Thrustmaster, but only with what the prices may be in AU. However, in the US, the Thrustmaster DD is priced at $650 USD for the base, and wheels start at $180 USD(but regularly go on sale). The only caveat comes at a surprise that a mounting solution is sold separately(another $40?). This brings the price of the setup to $870, which is considerably more reasonable than a full $1k. I have not had a single issue with my T818, and believe it will last for much longer than 10 years. if not, longer. With the strength of the Thrustmaster brand and the future promisings in their ecosystem, I think in time it will prove itself among the best.
The Logitech DD on the other hand starts at $1000 USD, and has all the components together as ready to race. There is only one wheel, but we are yet to see what else is released. I believe the T818 is a direct competitor with Logitech's offerings, and the T818 might be slightly better for both price and strength of ecosystem currently. Both Logitech and Thrustmaster have great customer support, which is very important to consumers looking to purchase in this price bracket.
Fanatec is a must avoid currently, at least in Europe, until they sort out their shipping logistics and poor customer support.
MOZA might be one of the better options, with a good selection of budget Direct Drive wheelbases, and quality wheels, but being a relatively newer company it is difficult to recommend them simply for the lack of their record.
Thank you Twitch Chat for coming along on my TED talk.
I built my own rig 40/120 profiles, triple 27 inch monitors with an integrated monitor mount of my own design, made of 40/40 profiles. I run a VRS DD pro wheelbase and I have no issues with vibration or flex whatsoever, and I'm very, very meticulous when it comes to vibrations or flex. I wouldn't do it with triple 32 inch monitors though and I probably wouldn't do it if I had a motion rig.
i wouldn't buy an expensive wheel for the G29/G920. I bought a cheap ebay steering wheel and a $6 adapter for the wheel. Yes, I voided the warranty, by my own choice, and the motor isn't designed for a bigger wheel, but the standard wheel is just too small for mine, and a lot of other people's liking. I don't see a problem with it, as long as you know what you're doing, and why you're doing it.
I'd put the T300 in the same bucket as the more expensive belt-drive bases. The Moza R5 is only around 10% more money, and it's a DD base, with a great upgrade path.
Even the T150 could be questionable - the Cammus C5 exists...
Only reason to get one of these would be if you find one at a great price second hand.
Regarding sim rig, just do what I did, after having a foldable one, the fgt lite, that playseat with that flag pole holding the wheel base, i went to the home depot, grab few 2x4s and some spray cans, to the nearest junkyard grab myself a seat, bestbuy an openbox 55" tv and build myself a beast of a cockpit, even got a side console with cup holders, doesnt look great and lives in the basement, but does the job perfectly fine and I spent (with the tv included) a fraction of all that crap they sell out there
Now I dont have a brand name crap cockpit with a g29 anymore, now i have a homemade cockpit with a fanatec rig
Cheers
The only thrustmaster wheel base worth buying is the TX/T300. Anything lower end is held together with hot glue and greed. Anything higher end might as well go Fanatec. I used to have a TMX force feedback. It broke after a few months of use during covid. I could not get a hold of thrustmaster so I tried to fix it myself. When I opened it up, I discovered it was incredibly cheaply made with hot glue everywhere inside. I suspect either the power supply died, or the motor cooked itself because the tiny fan meant to cool it wasn't working. Either way, I couldn't find a place to buy those parts so I gave up and just got myself an upgrade a few years later. Still really upset I couldn't even contact them to get it replaced under warranty.
Had the NLR GT Lite, it was so shit, so happy I returned it, it had literally more flex than my desk, such a waste of money. Every time someone is interested in these things I fight with my life to save them from buying this shit.
Agree with the entire list, some of the buying decisions of other people just confuse me, like you’re gonna spend 1k for a DD and then get a Thrustmaster? Really? That’s the best thought your brain could come up with? Or that Playseat trash with a giant middle bar between your legs? Idk, they’ll pay twice eventually and learn their lesson I guess
I agree buying new go for DD but i will say also shop the used markets also. I was able to snap a TSXW with the 7+R shifter on a NLR Ultimate GTV2 Frame for $500 total making that a hell of a starter build and this has lasted me 5 years. I now use different pedals but the TSXW is still okay but ready for a DD.
For the real car rims one, I feel like it's purely novelty. Sellers and buyers both know. I feel like to buy one of those you have to really like the car, driver, team, or manufacturer AND have plenty of disposable income. They're like novelty collectors items that you can actually use. But I agree most people will never use them in an actual car
BRO Do you know anything about G29 wheel rims? They are the best cheapest way to enter drifting without spending 800 dollars to buy a direct drive. And do you know that most of the Asian players got foldable rigs due to limited space. They are cheap and they are good quality.
Folding rigs are a actually great option to get started... many of us with a now a full blown sim rig started with a Playseat Challenge... No need to downvote it or disregard it.
For the last product, I think the target audience is just totally different. No serious sim racer would buy it. It's marketed towards rich people who wouldn't bat an eye at a 10k expense. Hell, they're probably so used to expensive options on cars they think 10k is a good deal.
1. Wheel Stands have big disadvantage to folding rigs... They're separate to the seat and can move around when driving.
2. Playseat Evolution isn't made for 20 years. It's succesor to Playseat Revolution. IMO a lot better design because u don't really notice that post with wheel deck. Pedal deck was flex crap too tho.
3. NLR made version of F1-GT prepared for use any bucket seat.
4. Most of low-end DD are crap. Plastic shaft in CSL DD, bad motor and software choices in Moza etc. There's no strong point of going DD below Simagic Alpha Mini or go with ANY Moza product. The only good low end DD might be Cammus C5 but I haven't tested it yet.
5. T818 is just plastic crap for Thrustmaster Fanboys. It's way ovepriced and looks like Thrustmaster have too much plastic in their warehouse. Plastic adapter and QR attached to 10Nm motor? Really?! Same for their entry level T128 and T248 - plastic crap compared to T150 which have some metal parts inside to make it more sturdy.
6. How u dare telling that any of VRS products are bad! HAHA I got u xD
I love my sim rig, but yes a 20kg rig is a pain in the ass to move but screw having to mount and unmount a wheel, handbrake, and shifter just to use my pc for normal games. The pedals also send me flying backwards when i try hard breaking so i need the rig to keep my chair still and another thing is i dont trust the clamps on a DD wheels or my desk. (I use the next level racing wheel stand 2.0 and it is extremely durable)
The most cheap DD wheel that you can buy in my country cost something like 4 Month Minimum Wages(the MMW here is like 265~270 dollars)... just the motor, a good wheel would be another half of a MMW. The logitech Pro one that should be the cheapest, is about 7.5 MMW. even the most basic G29/G920 cost at least 1.25 MMW, and the G923 is almost 2 MMW. Considering most people here lives on a single MMW, maybe even 2 if you're lucky. Yeah, not the DD Wheels are not getting cheap at all. I just bout my G920, and was looking for a folding rig , but maybe i want one that don't fold anymore, but hey the cheapest that is GOOD is a MMW, haha, fuck this country(Brasil).
I have a folding sim rig. Playseat challenge. I fold it up after every weekend because my wife would murder me if I didn't. Would love a fixed rig but just don't have the space.
i agree with the seats.. i want seats where i can sit and play for hours, bucket seats or racing seats are cool when you really racing in the car,but when you chillin at the house, having a good time, i dont need the seat to hold me down, i rather be comfortable.. get a seat from the junk yard, its way cheaper, i have a evo, that came with lancer seats (final editions in the US), not recaros... anyways, got some recaros for the evo, and used the lancer seats for my sim, replaced the bucket seats, so much more comfortable.
I had playseat challenge, always folded it after use, for two reasons - first, I was really short on space, second - it literally took two minutes to unplug everything, fold it and store away. So, I don't agree. NLR is a huge hassle to fold which is the very reason I went with the playseat challenge.
I would stay away from Thrustmaster in general.
Shit quality control and alot of issues.
9/10 of my Thrustmaster products were defective when they came to me……..
Since you said pls I subed 🤘🏼🏁I've heard subs dont really matter(yeah sure) I think it's views that you want . Thx for the info . Opinions r like buttholes , everybody has one🏎️
I never fold my rig unless I am bringing it with me. It is helpful that my NLR F GT Lite folds and fits in my car.
I always leave it in GT position. I only got the version that does both because it was bigger.
Hi Daniel! I appreciate your comment on folding rigs and I think your position serves as a valuable cautionary tale. I have a NLR F-GT Lite and I will say I am on high end of the proverbial varying mileage. I find my rig to be stable and relatively easy to customize, and what I love the most is how I can switch between an upright and a formula-style position (I use a position somewhere between the two) I agree that the folding/unfolding process is quite cumbersome, but it offers advantages if your space is limited. For example, I leave it unfolded, but fold up the pedals when not in use to clear the space, ad unfolding is a 15 second task. I've also folded it up when I was moving, and more recently, when I was rearranging my office space. While it's not for everyone and certainly not as easy as the packaging will proclaim, I think there are some benefits to them. Not disagreeing with you, rather showing my own positive experience. Thanks!
I am using playseat challenge and I must say I love it. I live with my wife and there is just no place for me to put a rig fulltime in the house. I unfold it before every usage and fold it right after. It literally takes me 2 minutes to do so and then I have couple of hours of driving so its all good. Honestly I think im into simracing because of foldable rigs.
My folding rig sucks.
I have to climb in.
It's a real hassle, for sure.
Finding it up is annoying. Moving all the cord.
You're so right, i never play it because damn, it's a hassle.
Another foldable rig user here, playsear challenge to be precise and I fold it up every time. I don't agree at all with the point about foldable rigs as they definitely have their right. I live in an apartment and don't have that much space and my wife would like me to put it away too as she uses the space too. So a foldable rig suits that perfectly.
NLR - F-GT, I do agree on lol. I sold mine since it is not comfortable and it take soo much room...Thanks god I ended up with their Wheel Stand DD.
I have to agree with almost everything.
Upgrading the wheel for the Logitech is only worth it if you go for something like Acelith.
Folding rig and Playseat are piece of trash for sure.
Naaah sorry but folding rigs are definetly a great option. I used to have the next level racing one because I lived in a tiny appartment and needed something that can be folded and give me a proper seating position which that seat gave me and the flex? I had a 8nm csl dd mounted to it and it barely flexed.
For real people are putting full on direct drive money into a Logitech that feels like a toy. When if they would of held off or sell their Logitech, they could get a moza or fanatec entry level complete set up.
Personally, I use an ExtremeSimRacing SXT V2 folding rig, and it's wonderful. I fold it up, put it against the wall next to my desk, and it only take about a minute each way to get it ready or put it away.
I hate the NLR F-gt lite. Can’t wait to get rid of it and switch to something else. The back pain is real, and tough to get to a comfortable position.
I own a PlaySeat Challenge and I fold and unfold it almost every other day when do race (or do Euro Truck). Any other setup would be impossible since where I set it up is also my main desk for work and playing other games.
i customized my g29 for 2 reasons 1 being because im not giving it back when im done with it its getten thrown out and 2 i can because i chose to there was no other wheel for ps that was as good or better hat was cheap enough it all i got was a cheap wheel and a quick release its not that bad
I’ve been sim racing on a stool for the last 12 months I’m fairly certain I genuinely wouldn’t care if my seat gave me back pains 😂
Jokes on ya m8. I have the Formula/GT swap rig and i have the seat in GT position and pedals in Formula hehe
Folding rigs are the only choice as if like me you can't have a full size setup due to space constraints and yes I fold it up every time after use.
i use a TR rally seat for a year now and i really like it, i can use it for hours and have no problems.
As I said in the video, seats are highly personal so I’m really glad you like it! Thanks for sharing that though, it’s good to have more opinions.
I fold and unfold my playseat challenge every day in less than a minute. Just get your wiring set up for a quick disconnect and it’s no problem. I love it
I had a wheel stand and now use logitec folding chair with logitec DD wheel am very.y please will not go back to stand
From someone who owns a foldbable cockpit, yeah he's right, you barely would fold them anyway.
Playseat Challenger owner: you're right that i never fold it up and put it away after every use. However, it's been such a far superior experience over using my wheel at the desk. I've never used a wheel stand so can't comment on that.
I got folding rig I live in small place best idea for small place and if u on a budget yeah but other then that if it something short term stick to your table till then or get one
I have the track racer rally seat, i had to add a cushion to the lower back portion. After i added that it has been fine 4 years strong
Lol I love my FGT rig, it’s the most affordable formula style rig. And it’s actually very comfortable in the formula position. Also the flex is almost gone with the upgrade kit. I also like the small footprint and affordability
My choice is either desk mount a 12nm base and run it at like 3-4 nm max or folding wheel stand. I think I'll deal with the folding wheel stand.
I got my first rig 2 weeks ago with the trophy playseat and I have to say its not that bad. On the large config it flexes a bit under heavy breaking but everything else is pretty decent imo.
My first wheel was a g29 , no idea about wheels but wanted to try , soon as i got g29 i knew it needed some sort of rig or desk or someting . Fold down playseat was cheapest option and both them combined after a while i knew i wanted to get into sim racing for sure , the playseat was not the best but i folded it down lots and got it out lots to . Playseat is a good way of trying out sim racing to see if its a thing you want to take further . By the way now im omega prime rig with fanatec dd pro . But will always remember it was the playseat and g29 that got me hooked 😊
I built my first sim rig out of an old exercise machine and plywood. Used my foldup fishing seat from my boat.
I had a 19'' monitor and a Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel.
Fast forward- Omega GT Art cockpit, Logitech G Pro wheel/pedals. Varjo Aero for vr racing. LG C1 OLED 55'' for all other games.
Sim racing is fun.
i have one of the oldest generations of playseat evolution models and the pedal plate is almost solid 5mm thick metal
Nonsense, I fold my sim rig daily. It takes about 1min. And it is really sturdy tbh.
Can confirm the trak racer GT seat is horrendous and it seems like it’s only gotten harder
Avoid anything fanatec, horrible company - 0 customer service
Lucky me got Cosworth LMP2 wheel for 400€ 😅 I am using it for everything tbh.
Agree %100 with all points! Experienced some of them first hand!
why spend money on something most people cant afford? It is because you can
I try to keep it unfolded. And looking for a better permanent simulator
Yeah I've never folded mine. Should of just got a proper rig.
I like the Corbeau FX1 Pro. It’s a good seat at a decent price
Correct Sir, never unfold it. (Next Level Folding Rig).
given the GSI and VRS wheels are the same price, i dont see why you would choose VRS
Why choose gsi over vrs wheel if its same price? Whats better about it?
Thanks you for the video. I have a G923. Do you recommend change my wheel? I see some products but they are’nt cheap. I’m affraid to waste more money for something worst that i have. I play F1 and like a wheel with the F1 line but i can continue playing in g923.
I got an acelith rim for my g29, and it is really great quality and to _ME_ id say it was absolutely worth it.
That one was 27cm tho, and yes those big 32, 34 cm wheels would completely kill the already pathetic ffb on the g29, size really does matter
I then saved up and am now on simucube with high end wheels, and im just glad i skipped the "entry level sub
Bro i got a folding playseat bro, idgas tho im still fast
This man is spittin lol. I started with a folding rig and realized I left it deployed all the time cause it was such a pain in the ass to fold up. Then I went with an FGT 😂. Finally got rid of that and got a 8020 rig during Black Friday. Any seats you recommend? I’m sending back the NRG prisma I got cause it’s giving me the same issues you mentioned with the Trak racer seats
I personally use the NLR es1 and love it!! But with seats, it's kinda tough since your body is different to mine!
Are you wearing a Turtle style DBZ shirt? :P
Thank you for another minecraft FAQ video
I’ve broken 3 Playsteats. At $300 a pop
I think people buy the real car steering wheels for their simrigs for the same reason why they buy jewellery. You don't need it, but it looks nice.
This is a good point!
Finally someone who hates playseat as much as i do
I have the nlr foldable rig. I'm a student so about two thirds of the year I am not racing that much. But when we are on vacation (the other third) I use my rig a lot. In a small apartment, this is the ideal solution for me. I think there are a sizeable market of people with my needs, so foldable should stay!