Uncovering A LOT of electrical BODGERY!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- Today we're preparing for our biggest-ever electrical installation condition report, within a property that consists of 7 different distribution boards. We also uncover some true DIY electrical shockers, along with fixing some overdue solar faults.
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00:00 Sorting Out A Mess
01:39 What Wonders
04:15 We Don’t Know
05:51 Welcome To DB 7
07:30 Why Are There So Many?
08:10 There’s A Problem
10:53 Angle Drilling Art
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Absolutely loved the light labelled "does not work"
I always laugh at the comments about "dodgy" DIY'ers" etc. But if you have a think a fair amount of the issues you appear to find are actually done by qualified trade staff.
Worrying isn't it?
I agree with this, I am also disappointed when I hear "Bodge jobs from Electronic Engineers who think they know what they are doing" my father was an electronics engineer and spent 10 years training before being qualified. To quantify them as some type of idiot compared to an Electrician is simply not very fair.
@@msutton3147 I have to say it does get a bit tiresome to hear “DIY Bodge” as the comment when he’s already listed a hell of a lot of installation failure by clearly a qualified or pretending to be qualified electrician.
It would be far more productive to say why this was so bad rather than rant about the DIYer who did it when you don’t even know if it was one who did it. I can’t think why someone would consider wiring a multi plug extension lead directly in to MCB, but then again as an IT geek what would I know 🤬
@@msutton3147 I think he meant different areas of specific knowledge not idiots. Obviously someone could do something that works without hurting themselves but it still not be correct under electrical installation standards.
@@msutton3147 Some of us are qualified electricians, electronics engineers and IT techs! 🙋♂️
The shoddy work you keep finding never ceases ta amaze me.
Makes you wonder how on earth the guys behind the original work ever managed to become fully qualified electricians.
Same as with drivers and driver's licenses...
Who’s to say they were
Most likely not qualified
most likely back yard sparks
I live in a modern four bed house with one consumer unit. I planned on moving on retirement to something much bigger. Watching this, I think I will stay put. What gets me is that this stuff looks pretty new and yet has all these issues. The other thing that gets me, is who wants to live with this level of complication in their life.
If you're on the lookout for DB screws and install MK 3 comp dado often, the end cap screws fit nicely in some metal DBs as long as they aren't tapped.
Love it when a pro likes to climb on another persons work to make them selves look better than the last guy. 2.13 stand all over customers furniture to access panel . like to see that one in the risk assessment .
Cheers for the video guys!
I have little or no understanding of what you are doing, beyond first principles. Yet I still find it really interesting to watch.
Every electrician comes along and says the last one was shit.
Unfortunately its part of the industry, complaining it should be a C2 instead of a C1 but then saying cover missing on busbar that would be behind the front cover so completely within regulations is a C2... I personally dont think you should bitch too much about others EICR's as they are an engineering judgement so is open to interpretation, it should be based on regulations but the regs are so woolly that it can lead to differences of opinions.
Every tradesman
Not sure every electrician, certainly some. I had an electrician in a rental property we own recently telling me an installation was bad, he'd forgotten he'd done the installation I do have electrical qualifications and was able to show it was OK (distance of ceiling light from shower cabinet), he was just trying to create some work. Was utterly shameless when I called him out on it.
@@tocboatman yep, im a fully qualified spark but needed someone in London to do an EICR for my partners rental, he came back with FI because he didnt check the light switches had a fly lead from switch and back box because he didnt want to damage decoration.. The light switches tested good as having an earth and had at least one fixed lug so didnt even need a fly lead but when he went back and checked they had them anyway.. So and FI which means it fails and needs investigating so you would have to potentially damage the decoration anyway, like you say just trying to get more work..
I have always found it unusually funny, when you continue to feed the cable despite the other person yelling that they have enough cable haha
Wrong, DB4 Top board, that bare copper link is a factory fitted link correctly rated. Th other one is as you stated. Massive thank you or sharing
I thought that’s too
@William Tell Yes even Jordan can make school boy errors, no doubt we all have at some point
Neither N9-10 link on DB4B (2:48) nor N5-6 on DB5B (3:42) appears factory fitted or correct.
I think we need to see the duck impression again. Just to make sure it's close enough to perfection 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Great content as always! Where did you get those rubber inserts for the stuffing glands? Need something just like that!
Possibly from a Wiska Winsert Kit.
Proper job lads ❤❤
When i was growing up as a kid we had a semi detached house house, when we went on holiday our neighbour went under his floor boards knocked through the wall in too our house and wired his house too ours . our bills were huge .
Nice work boys
A very big bug barer of mine is SWA not terminated properly. I carry a set of taps and dyes to repair dbs , because of damage screw and cross threaded screws
Jordan..... time 8:40 "Eddi should be wired of a 20A Double Pole Switch....." - That's not correct. "The Eddi device should be connected to a single-phase 230V or 240V nominal AC supply. The supply should be from a dedicated 16A circuit breaker, or it can be from a hard-wired 13A fused spur outlet if the heater load is less than 3kW."
The busbar cover being absent doesn’t warrant a code providing the CU cover is only removable with use of a tool. (It isn’t a code 2 as you suggested)
That what he said a 2 ?
I died with Jordan and the duck at the start 🤣🤣💀
These fascinate me. Rules there are so different than here in the US.
The ceiling of my basement, as found when I bought my house, would have given you guys a collective stroke. 😅
For us non-pro's, what was the issue with the extension lead off a breaker? Apart from looking amateurish, from a regs/theoretical pov, what are the issues? If the cable is glanded into the box properly and of an appropriate size with the correct size MCB/RCD etc for the cable, isn't it just another radial circuit?
Anybody? Nobody?
The only issue really is that the cable is not secure, a clip would sort that out. If you tug on the cable, you risk the connection becoming loose as it is currently
Once you cut the plug off that cord, you instantly void the product's certification. It was also never certified in the first place to be connected directly to a breaker.
While I'm not familiar with building codes in the UK, but I imagine using a non-certified product is very illegal.
@@user2C47 not at all. You can do modifications but now you take responsibility for it. Usually the cable has its own certification/ specification such as h05 and is perfectly rated for terminating to a breaker. You might just want to ferrule the end
@@user2C47 You might have a point, but I'm not sure what's valid in your State/Country necessarily applies here. I think if the cable is to a BS or harmonised European standard, it would be ok. You can easily get the component parts of an extension lead which would comply if those parts are built to the relevant standard.
Fixed installations of flexible cables are allowed with caveats. This is where UK regs can get "woolly".... Various trade bodies would regard such an installation as "not advisable", but it's not illegal. As always, if it all goes horribly wrong, a Judge might well ask you to justify going against such guidelines.
The irony of the last electrician/inspectors company name on the stickers on the db’s ! 😂
Must have been proud enough of the work to put their mark on it. Trouble is who is able to tell what they did and what was legacy back jobs.
I don’t think that much of the previous testers to be honest let alone the installers. Good video 👍
If you want spare threaded screws, get a case of assorted threaded screws from screwfix or similar. You can generally find a match. But those Eaton boards are a pain, I can't believe they never made the screws captive!
haha I'm 100% one of the bodgery committing "IT nerds and electronics engineers who think they know what they are doing"
I'm just happy if something is tagged at all. Even if it is just with a sharpie. The tagging has to be correct,though.
Guys can you please collect all of your cable trimmings into a box or a bucket as you go. It's not acceptable to just flick them on the floor, essentially outside. Why did Lee refit the Zappy back on the cobweb/ dust covered wall without giving it a brush off first? Apart from that, good work.
Aren’t you supposed to fix C1’s at the time, as they’re immediately dangerous?
Do you think this is the same for a 23 plate?. Took mine to the local garage to fit and they couldn’t work it out as said no holes.
Never letting you see how I got power to my shed! You'd rip me to shreds lol. Great content gents.
Is it as bad as my 30m Extension cord? 😂
Mine is fed by a 16 gauge extension cord into a very overfilled J box. It was meant to be replaced with proper SE cable and a breaker panel, but as we all know, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
I think any unused cables in a distribution board should have all conductors connected to earth. Otherwise, whilst being extremely unlikely they could become live and not necessarily from touching a live conductor inside the DB. There’s a potential for it to happen somewhere on the cable run or in the back of an accessory etc. Just good practice in my opinion
Agree, have always C2’d floating cables in DB’s for that reason.
Have to agree - as a meter fitter we were expected to isolate and instruct the customer to call an electrician whenever we saw hanging cables. If I had done that, I probably would've isolated hundreds of customers in three years and created a lot of nothing-work for electricians - and trashed the reputation of meter fitters even more. I just don't understand why people leave hanging cables everywhere - it simply introduces doubt in the minds of the next duty holder to turn up to do work.
However you then run the risk of that unused cable becoming live in the event of a fault. I agree with terminating to earth unused cores on a multi core wire, but not spare cables. Especially if you don't know where the other end is.
No no no, Not spare cables at least! They could become live during a fault... And You know the outcome of that if connected to earth.
whats wrong with cutting a huge round hole in side of consumer unit for cables?
I'm not a professional electrician but not even I would make some of these "mistakes" or be happy with the quality of some of the work shown.
In uk to be reassured that the solar installer is going to do a good job is to find one that’s MCS registered which is an industry led quality assurance. Scottish government loans make it mandatory to use a MCS registered company. It’s not a legal requirement to register as MCS though and that’s where your problems come from.
no busbar cover is c3. most of the faults found are just not neat installs, doesn't mean its unsafe.
No code
Nice 🐸
The loose T&E in the CU is a code 2. It’s a bare ended cable, not adequately terminated or capped off to prevent the copper ends touching live parts inside the CU and subsequently making the other end live. It is no different to free floating cores inside a switch for instance that hasn’t had a choc block or wago popped on the end.
Unterminated ends bother me too....
But then again I'm a railway signalling engineer.... And Clapham Junction shows why they aren't a good idea
The multibox lead wired directly into the board at 5:00 doesn't violate code that I know of where I live(New Zealand). Dont get me wrong, it is Jank with a capital J. But sometimes Jank is a pretty good solution.
Sure, running the multibox off a single plug socket would be better, but if you have a multibox with a damaged lead, why not reduce reuse and recyle by curing off at the damaged part of the lead and putting it to good use instead of the landfill? So long as the customer is happy that it works, costs them a little bit less to implement, and complies with your electrical code, why not embrace the Jank every once in a while when you have the opportunity to do so. Don't tell me you don't love that shit. We all saw the look on your face at 5:21.
Once you cut the plug off (or damage the cord), that product is no longer compliant and can't be used. Not only that, but it was never listed in the first place to be connected directly to a breaker.
Even knowing that, I still would have probably connected it exactly like that if it didn't have to be inspected.
@@user2C47 What are you saying? What is the difference of buying a powerstrip without the cable and one with the cable fitted and cut off the plug?
That thing is probably not elegant, but either not dangerous, assuming the breaker is properly sized for the extension lead and the cable (10A or less with 1.5mm2 cable), there are a bunch of power supply attached anyway. I see this done a lot where I live and it's perfectly fine, usually this is done in a similar situation (where it's just lazy, just fit sockets come on) but to power strips that are attached to desks or in racks of equipment.
If you need a lot of sockets in a location using a power strip is cheaper (for example where I live a schuko socket of a basic like like Gewiss is no less than 10 euros, plus you need the box and the faceplate, while a 6 places power strip costs like 6 euros), it's faster to wrire (you connect one cable, and done), and doesn't present any code issue. Of course you have to use appropriate cable up to code (that is in my country no less than 1.5mm2) and double insulated even for the short run that comes into the power strip.
@@alerighi two things: 1) didn't show whether the flex cable leads were ferruled - possible bad connection, specially if the breaker had solid lead also connected and 2) the breaker is probably oversized for the usual .75 mm^2 extension cord cable, both creating possible fire hazard inside CU. It is true, that it would not be much safer if there was a single outlet and THEN overloaded extension cord, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and at least in my country it is between fixed installation and user-connectable stuff.
Nice one guys 😎🇮🇪👏
Thanks!
The thumbnail picture look like you got new Premises, Great video interesting guys ⚡️👊
Thanks 👍
What's a harvey?
That loose cable in the board should be coded. They should of terminated all cores down to earth. Potentially the cable could touch the busbar or the like and become live
What are these C1s 2s and so on? Is that the severity of the violation? I'm a US industrial electrician so I'm not familiar.
C1 - Imminently dangerous.
C2 - Potentially dangerous.
C3 - Improvement recommended.
Copied from the uploader's reply to another comment.
What does CT clamps do?
They provide a contact-less means to measure current flow in a conductor.
Thank God! They got you guys to do Job Right!😃
Lee looking scruffy give him a disciplinary
How much would a full re wire be think it would be easer
Artisan prices thats got to be a left arm and a right leg at the very least... For the profit of that rewire Jordan would be able to afford another electric VW van..
@@steve11211 It may be expensive, but at least it is a job well done, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys as you can see from the prior workmanship.
I mean really, what's wrong with properly wired extension directly from a consumer unit? Assuming fuse and wire gauge is correct? Is it not safe?
Cut out fusses DO NOT protect the incoming supply cable.
Let me know when you’re in California and you can come fix my house 🤣
What do you mean when you mean C2 C3 or C1??
C1 - immediately dangerous
C2 - potentially dangerous
C3 - improvement recommended
Good to know
These videos make me think I'm in the wrong trade lol
Using Wago’s on data causing issues with high resistance over time. Much better to use IDC crimps.
What’s some of the scariest single and three phase installation you have seen ??
looks like a whole heap of fun must me a big humpy
LOL I tape my LAN cables to my drill bits to route them at home, and of course I don't wire my extension leads right into the board 😅
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5:05 Whats wrong with terminating an extension cord directly like this? If it is terminated correctly, fused properly, I see nothing wrong.
What does C2 and C3 mean?
It is a measure of the severity of the observation noted. C2 potentiality dangerous, C3 improvement recommended.
Why have optimisers on those solar panels. Looks like there's no shading?
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Jordan , please stop pointing, electricians don’t point , your finger was an inch from that busbar while your doing a piece to camara , also cat 5 cable is for data not for CT,s it’s videos like tho s that make everyone thinks it’s ok and it should be a belden cable twisted pair , it’s easy to tell this as it’s what ever single act is supplied with
Sorry 👉
@@artisanelectrics hey don’t be sorry to me it’s the EAWR that you need to say sorry too
A Faraday cage is not just a metal box as its used to block electromagnetic fields, electrician taking nonsense as the metal box can reduce or interfere with the sensors signal but its not a Faraday cage (a brick wall can reduce signals transmitted through the air). Some Electronics engineers know a lot more than you do so don't put them all in the same pot. There are many sparky's who cut corners like the ones who installed bathroom down lights using terminal block and wrapping the connections in insulation tape and stuffing them under loft insulation (halogen bulbs in down lights). They also used bits of plastic pipe to try and prevent insulation covering the down lights that just fall over and this was found in a 15 year old house by an electronics engineer.
Be careful about throwing rocks about IT Nerd diy work - because it many cases its substantially better than so called professional work. Your video of you trying to wire in that ecoflow changeover unit and making a complete mess being a good example.
While I'm well aware that it's not up to code and voids the product's listing, my first response to that extension lead at 5:00 was "There ain't _nothin'_ wrong with that!"
Yeah, this is pure ignorance, I've seen as many bad jobs done by "professionals" as bad jobs done by "DIYers". The only difference professionals do charge you a lot for work.
Nah man DIYers and techy guys are the bane of any electrical installation. It’s just embarrassing whenever you turn up-to a job and see what they done. The best part is is that they are so proud of themselves for making it ‘work’…. You don’t know what you don’t know.
Your right though - there are bad electricians out there.
This weeks two mystery words are befuddled harvi.
Or is this the wrong channel? Do I still get a goody bag for spotting them?
I want listening properly as its early morning at time of writing. I was thinking "Harvey? Who is Harvey? "
2:20 should you ever hide a consumer unit? That should be a C3 in itself. Power goes out and Mrs Jones trips in the darkness because she can’t find it.
In the US, that would be a code violation due to minimum requirements for open space.
Same as the height, wouldn't comply with building regs Part M on s new build, but they can't be applied retrospectively.
I'm an IT nerd AND an electronics engineer and I would NEVER have connected an extensioon lead into the CU. 😜😜
Still struggling to get on-board with the voice overs!
I like this presentation style, has a lot better flow.
under the picture.
EICR is a formal inspection and therefore should be of a universal standard. BUT it's not. It doesn't seem any electrician sings off the same song sheet. They all have their own opinions, this I feel is wrong.
“C2 no busbar cover” C3 at most
Yes, considering it needs a tool to remove the CU cover, and the CU should be off when cover is removed, it is technically not really an issue.
My Heat Pump uses 50kWh a day when it goes minus 2 a 4 bedroom 125m floor space how bad is that no one wants to know.
By the sounds of it they've paid twice and then some for their solar panels... wonder if they will get a return of their investment during their lifetime
The MEM 3 boards are good so at least someone cared. I have been to farms much worse than this like the one I was in last week that still has black rubber from when electric was brought in in 1947.
And the farmer says, "nothing wrong with that, been working since the 1950s...."😂
Fair play to him snagging his own jobs on RUclips
Don't see why it was necessary to use derogatory language about computer and electronic technicians, we are all at the sharp end of dealing with customers so let's have some cameradery
I knew that line was going to blow some fuses with the IT and engineering crowd. Engineers and IT guys to tent to be tinkerers and that can lead to questionable experiments sometimes, he's not wrong on that in my view. Maybe it could have been worded more sensibly for the more sensitive IT/engineering folks.
@@henkondemand well, tbh, most IT infra (including cabling) techs look at electricians the way electricians look at plumbers.
😂😂😂
Another farmer scrimping for pennies I see
Why a C1 or C2 for a missing busbar cover? The homeowner is never going to take the cover off the CU and skilled and instructed people like ourselves know not to touch a live busbar!
First comment
Do you subtract the time you spend presenting to the camera from the hourly work cost you charge the customer, and do you seek permission from the customer to show the interiors of their property? Does any of the money you make from RUclips lead to reduced costs to the customer?
That second neutral link is factory fitted isn’t it??
One day content creators like you will not inject music into your videos.
I so look forward to that day.
I couldn't finish watching it as the music in the background was doing my head in.
I feel like this guy is arrogant and lets off a bad aroma....
Electrical nerds should stop fitting smart devices and leave it up to the IT guys.
The communication cabling guys would argue that they are best for that job.