@ to be fair future gohan also went after the androids alot but they kept him alive otherwise they would be bored so thats probably what happened. He only lost his arm cuz trunks was there
Most likely not but it is something very interesting to think about based upon the unseen time-period moments he had to struggle in such post-apocalyptic conditions, but for the most part in the material I’ve seen he’s only loss against the future androids on 3 separate occasions within the manga and anime canon continuity and once against the present androids when after going in to aid his father SS Vegeta after his arm got broken not wanting to witness him fall against the likes of android #18.
that's only against the henchman's that he doesn't lose a lot too (albeit half the time he losses to them a lot) but its mainly the final bosses he losses to a lot
I don't count the battle on Earth as a loss, because none of them could beat him he lost to gravity being crushed falling under a great ape. They didn't beat him.
Gohan is really embarrassing as a fighter all his wins except pre-androids is from 100% plot armor He's a scholar and should be just that he's not a fighter and even when he sort of is plot armor holds his hand the whole way.
@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024 If it weren't for Gohan, Goku and Piccolo would have died at the beginning of Z and Raditz would have exterminated all humanity.
yeah true same with goku vs jiren, and some other fights on here where the hero literally wins but something happens preventing them from finishing the fight
Jackie Chun was also trained by Mutenroshi, reaching a point when both can be seen as the same person, that's what the friend of my friend, who was neighbour to a guy who has said to have met Toriyama once, have told at least. I believe in this story.
There was an intense investigation into the location of Jackie Chun, but all results were unsuccessful. Eventually, all parties involved were contacted by the IRS and directed to grant any and all of Jackie Chun's points to this "Master Roshi" guy. We don't like it any more than you do, but the rules are the rules 😢
It doesn't really matter, but I wouldn't at ALL count Trunks's first encounter with Goku as a draw. For one, it wasn't really even a fight, just a test of strength...which Goku TRIVIALIZED. He was literally blocking Trunks's sword attacks with a single finger, there was no contest. It doesn't seem fair to call that a draw just because Goku didn't knock his ass over.
I was thinking the same but I do remember trunks and Goku calling it a draw and claiming there power level where the same. . At least that's what I think I remember if remembered correctly 🧐💬 🤔💭
trunks blasting jeets once during the cell arc is also not a "fight" or a "win". vegeta mocks trunks and tries to call him out for bluffing, not even bothering to defend himself at all. trunks isn't bluffing and blasts vegeta into the distance, who is still completely unhurt as trunks wasn't even trying to hurt jeets, just knock him out of the way so he could finish off cell quickly. that is not a fight and not a win lol
won how? did he knock freeza out or kill him? no? then it's not a win. also from what i recall of that fight second form is keeping up with piccolo pretty well and it's not a one sided beat down at all, freeza just gets tired of a fair fight and goes third form lol we also dont' break up fights into "forms" either as that makes zero sense. freeza vs the z fighters is one giant fight, in which freeza wins. there is no little mini fights broken up into forms, it's one prolonged battle, and during some of the battle, freeza was screwing around in his lower forms when he could have just gone right to final form and won any time he wanted.
@@hustler666100 you're not very smart, i guess i'll have to explain the obvious. that clearly isn't a single fight is it? the fight stops and starts up again like 5 times with time passing each time. piccolo vs freeza doesn't END and START AGAIN with freeza going third form that makes no sense does it? we break up the cell battles with things like how the fights literally stop and time passes and then a new fight with cell happens lol, it's not that hard to figure out that freeza just transforming in the middle of an ongoing fight doesn't count as a new fight
Technically he beat the saibaman then it eventually got back up latched on and self destructed that would have happened to the others if anyone else went instead of him
because it's nonsense. all his wins are regular humans with no ki abilities in filler tournament fights. considering vegeta is actually fighting powerful ki using people in life or death situations, his wins actually mean more. vegeta's namek run massacring all of freeza's top henchmen clowns anything yamcha did in his entire life and that's just a snap shot.
@@SabirTheHuman which is meaningless, cause people go "omg yamcha actually sucks less than vegeta", so the stats are meaningless and not indicative of anything
@@iamnotjcook Honestly if it wasn't for plot, I'd say the absolute war Goku had against Piccolo Jr. at the end of DB should've been plenty enough to beat Raditz, or at least with Goku/Piccolo teaming up and not needing a dramatic sacrifice
@@Taima raditz exists to show you how weak and low level everything that happens on earth really was in dragon ball. a random saiyan warrior who isn't even that powerful for a saiyan and is the weakest of the surviving saiyans can bully the earth's two greatest fighters like nothing. raditz was a plot device, he shows up, shows you that space and aliens hold way bigger threats than anything on earth, drops a bunch of plot exposition about goku being an alien and foreshadows the real villains, vegeta and nappa. it would be illogical to think goku SHOULD beat him easily when his entire purpose in the story was to clown goku's current power and then lore dump and then tease even greater villains. it's also not logical from an in universe point of view disregarding his place in the plot. raditz was in space conquering planets with his fellow saiyans, likely fighting beings way above piccolo and goku. i'm going to be honest, if anything, raditz should be stronger, i always thought only having a PL of 1000 was odd for someone constantly fighting alongside jeets and nappa, he should be like half of nappas PL at least or something.
Yamcha was the original Vegeta, so it makes sense that his win rate is similar to Vegeta's. The whole point of Yamcha as a fighter was to create a measuring stick for Goku to then surpass
literally no lol, have u watched dragon ball? goku clowned him as a child with no ability to even use ki the first time they met, and ever since, yamcha has not even been a remote challenge to goku at any point. tien actually fulfils the role you're talking about, as he beats goku once, and they have several more fights which are used to show far goku has come.
@nizz0matic307 This counterargument is misguided, because it ignores all the times that Yamcha is used as well measuring stick to demonstrate how remarkable Goku is in comparison to him. On 3 separate occasions: - He lost to Master Roshi after showing off how far he's come to demonstrate the difference in strength between a talented fighter like him and a remarkable martial artist like Roshi and Goku - He lost to Mummy man to show off how strong that guy was, only for Goku to then win that fight - He lost to Tien, who then took that "Vegeta" role from him before getting replaced by Piccolo, who then got replaced by Vegeta Whether or not he won their first fight or served as a proper rival, is irrelevant to whether or not he serves the "Vegeta" role, because the point of that role is to use a strong character like him (at the time), or Tien, or Piccolo, or Vegeta, to demonstrate how much of a threat an even stronger character like Frieza, Cell, or Buu is.
though technically correct it feels a bit weird listing Tien as having lost to 2nd form Cell lol like, thats the last badass heroic stand a human ever really did in Z and he absolutely completed his objective of buying time (its hardly his fault the androids didnt flee)
@@sirfrescobar4830 and Krillin doesn't have a nose... Anyways, Tien is human, he's from an ancient tribe of triclops but he's still human, according to Akira Toriyama and Dragon ball canonical lore.
@@sirfrescobar4830 That's a misconception made by Westerners who don't know Asian mtyhology. The third eye is a symbol of enlightenment and ascention. Tien is basically an ascended human.
The problem with team wins only giving 0.5 points is that it pushes towards the medien of 50%, even if the character technically has no losses. For instance a character with 10 wins and 10 team wins would only have a 75% win rate. That's why all these numbers, especially Piccolo's, are so low.
Piccolo should have gotten the win against 2nd form Frieza here. Frieza might not have been able to beat him if he didn't transform and Piccolo wasn't using his full strength.
@razzdays And also just to let you know about another little interesting tidbit fact was that future trunks actually also destroyed 10 level ranked foot soilders aka babidi’s minions of the zoon-sejin race, with that also including even the likes of future majin pui pui and future majin yakon while in his SS Full power form, while yes it is something that was barely mentioned in the DBS manga during the future majin buu conflict but it ultimately did happen.
If someone steps down, he considers it a loss, and likewise considers both fighters stepping down as a "draw" . That's why Goku "lost" to Cell and "tied" Trunks in their first encounter. As well as "tying" fat Buu in SSJ3.
Now we know why in that episode in the cell saga I believe, Yamcha was straight up styling on Vegeta and no one knew why he took that disrespect. He knew his impressive 50% win rate all along.
Taking away Gohan's wins against Cell and Cell Max is just wrong. I understand the team up thing but he is the one who deal the decisive blow. Besides, once he turned SSJ2 against Perfect Cell he did win the first round. Cell was done. He even puked out 18. That's why he threatened to blow himself up. You could count the second round as a draw since semiperfect Cell was teleported away by Goku before coming back as Super Perfect Cell. Gohan once again was the one to push back Cell's kamehameha wave back all the way until he was vaporized. Vegeta's help was a courtesy since it was his fault that Gohan's arm was injured. He would have destroyed Cell anyway. Against Cell Max, he did get a lot more help from Piccolo and the others. Then again it was his special beam cannon that pierced through Cell Max's weak spot on his head.
no super perfect cell was about to win the beam struggle against Gohan until Vegetas distraction. Id still give it to Gohan though. Id give Guldo Recoome and Burter to Vegeta too if we are going on killing blow
@@hustler666100 The reason gohan even had a chance of losing that beam struggle is because his strength was cut from having to take a blast to save Vegeta because he randomly decided to suddenly care about his son at the worst time.
@@rod_sunrise8907in the show. in the manga gohan was extremely close to full power the anime is the only reason people think that. so manga says he NEEDED the distraction Vegeta provided
@@melvondrewhite2674 no it doesnt. anime is a product of manga. by ur logic then in the original EVERYONE tried to help gohan and vegeta was the only one strong enough to make a difference would would help the point if him NEEDING vegeta. also saying anime matters more than the original story that has the authors direct intent is asinine. by that logic we should every single filler fight too right? gtfoh.
Yamcha having the third best win% rate is such a good example how choosing your fights is important to get a nice record, with only Roshi being better at it in my opinion. Goku having a higher % feels more down to sheer combat ability rather than picking your fights well.
Yamcha vs Saibamen should be a draw if you gotta take yourself out to take out your opponent and a sneak attack after you already got KO just about, that’s a draw, especially the way he was given that bean man the work
Also Gohan's team-up with Vegeta is only needed because he took damage defending Vegeta - if he had both hands I'm pretty sure he would have soloed Cell, he didn't NEED Vegeta's help until Vegeta caused him to take damage
You forgot to include Vegeta beating Pui Pui during Buu saga and Frost in the Universe 6 tournament. Even though he just one-shotted him, it still counts as a win. Also love that Team Three Star are all right there with each other with the points total.
I don't know if you've seen Hunter X Hunter but it would be fun to see a fighting graph video like this one on it. This video was very fun I really enjoyed it 😊
13:55 One win and one loss doesn't even out when calculating probability unless those are the only two data points. To make it more clear, lets say that across fifty data points you have 1 loss and 49 wins, then across the next fifty you have twenty five losses and twenty five wins, the end result is 26 losses, and 74 wins, even though there's still a large gap, the gap is proportionately much smaller than it was before. If those data points had evened themselves out, the gap would be proportionately the same.
Just going to point out, you have omitted known offscreen wins. We know damn well that Chiaotzu has at least one offscreen win for example, because of the guy with severe burns from the World Tournament, and his passing the preliminaries, even if we did not see the fight. As such I think it'd be good to throw the guy that one. Skipping unknown offscreen wins on the otherhand is necessary. While it's doubtless Roshi or Vegeta got into fights we don't know about to get to the skill level at time of introduction, how many is up in the air.
Vegeta has a bunch of offscreen wins too. For starters we have that scene with him and Nappa on that other planet and has a bunch of dead aliens around them I wanna say.
If you watch the OG Dragon ball, master Roshi's win rate makes the most sense. While he is not the strongest fighter out there, he is probably one of the smartest. He managed to beat Goku in their first fight during the first tournament by outwitting him, and I think he took out about three fighters during the tournament of power, which is impressive for a character that was treated like a joke in DBZ. He even had a good strategy for beating much stronger fighters with the evil containment wave.
I really liked this break down. Mostly objective instead of subjective, which you never see when people talk about dragon ball characters and how strong they are. Would be interesting to take this and then add in the movies also to see how much the numbers change, even though the movies aren't canon.
A few things to update: Kid Trunks had a win in the World Martial Arts Tournament before facing Goten, boosting his win rate to 36%. Piccolo won, or at least drew against Frieza‘s 2nd form, before losing to 3rd and Final form Frieza, boosting his rate up to 39/41%. In Gohan’s fight against Perfect Cell, you break up the fight into four parts, scoring it .5 out of four 4, but you score Goku versus Frieza as a single fight. If Goku wins against Frieza, Gohan gets a solo win against Perfect Cell, which would boost his win rate to 37%. Otherwise, this was a cool thought experiment. Roshi’s boost in Super doesn’t seem so out of place now.
Future Trunks is a legit the most tragic character in the series, no matter how hard he tries he just takes L after L. And it's usually through no fault of his own.
I don't know if I agree with some of Piccolo's fights. I felt he won against 2nd form Frieza as he forced him to transform and the first fight with imperfect Cell I thought he had the advantage as cell had to solar flare and run away. at least call it a draw since he ran once Trunks and Krillin arrived. also Trunks vs Vegeta was more of a team up against Turnks but also Vegeta wasn't really beaten. this should also be at least a draw but it's also weird because technically Vegeta and Cell won. their goal was to let 18 be absorbed and they succeeded. I feel better clarification is needed for what is considered a Win, lose, draw and clarification for how certain fights are broken up into single/team up fights or become 1 large battle. like Vegeta gets 1 loss for his fight on Earth even though Goku was thoroughly beaten before the others joined but against Freiza they get 4 different fights for each form? i thought maybe it was the forms but Vegeta also had a form change. i think the sparring fights are the worst at defining the team-up and what's a win/lose/draw. Like Krillin lost to goku in super but then 18 joined the fight and goku calls the fight off after a while. but this is a draw for krillin only? I would exclude all sparing since they are very subjective (excluding the Vegeta and goku sparing since they take them serious).
yamcha even beat the saibaman, it just blew itself up after losing. if this counts as a loss then goku deserve a loss for letting semi perfect cell explode too. especially if chiatzou losing to piccolo counts since chiaotzu never fought him, he only died trying to steal his wish. by that logic, vegeta should have a higher score too for killing a village of namekians. not all fights are equal.
Glad to see Yamucha so high with his win rate. Also Roshi’s win rate shows how he knows when to pick his fights and when not to. He knows his strengths very well and this is why he’s still one of if not the best martial artists in the series
11:07 Gohan didn't lost to Cell in ssj1, he was more than capable of killing him with just ssj1. He also won against Super Buu but lost against Buutenks
The wins an losts for Gohan didn't make sense to me, he won some of those an some he actually didn't lose because he didn't fight cell when he spat out 18 , he fights cell before that lol
Counting Spopovich and Tammy when that just literally wasn't a fight is some foul shit. Shoulda said Goku lost to Krillin when that rock hit him at that point
Not including filler, but Goku beating punks isn’t filler? Loved the video though. Vegeta and nappa beat aliens in their first scene (eating them), then beat the grasshopper aliens before getting to earth. Goku beat bubbles and Gregory, etc. Feel like a lot more could have been included, but overall again, great video! I’m sure this one took a while lol.
I clickd on this vid expecting you to have at least 50k subs for this high quality content. ONLY 360??? HOW ARE YOU SO UNDERRATED GET THIS MAN TO AT THE VERY LEAST 10K.
Vegito lost to ZAMASU actually, he defused. Vegeta as majin stopped the fight vs Goku and said they'd finish it later. So idk why you said that's a win. Also you should give the win vs Cell to Goku bcs he was literally there helping lmao
Yamcha beat the Saibaman. After the fight, and his guard was down, the Saibaman took him out. It's like winning a boxing match and being told you lost because as you were getting in your car, your opponent opponent cracked you with a lead pipe.
It's a little unfair to chiatzo and tien because they win the same amount in the preliminaries round of the tournament as Goku, yamcha and krillin but they do it off screen. Most unfair to chiatzo because he made it to the tournament. Yes i know it's off screen and we know the z fighters won battles off screen and they didnt count because we dont know how many fights they fought, but we know for sure, 100%, chiatzo won at least 1 fight in the preliminaries, porbably more as there is no way to know how many fights they have in the preliminaries so his win rate isn't 0%
Hercule win/loss Loss 1v1 percent cell (bodied) Win teamup vs perfect cell (threw 16s head to Gohan) loss tournament v. trunks (counts in vid) win tournament v. 18 (tournament counts in vid) win v buu, forced split (killing with kindness) win teamup v. kid Buu (helped get spirit bomb energy) w/l 3/2 60% win rate (by these standards)
Piccolo both sent first form Cell running scared, but also tricked him into revealing his backstory and plans. That's at worst a draw but at best a win. He did lose to him later once he'd absorbed more people, though.
I think your scoring system is the biggest issue with this. Team ups shouldn’t count against you. Like if a fighter wins every fight, but some guy joins in last second everytime (like Vegeta with SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Cell) they suddenly have a 50% win rate? That makes zero sense; they should have a perfect record. But the bigger is saying that draws and losses are equal. Basically if two fighters tie over and over again, their record shouldn’t change much, but instead both fighters get a worse record. That’s why draws are either not counted at all or counted as 1/2. Also in your Vegeta section, a win and a loss is not equivalent to no fights. It pulls it closer to the average. So it helps if your record is below half (which Vegeta was) and hurts if it’s above half. All in all, your video is pretty comprehensive in the dataset, but your scoring system is whack.
Man Vagetta has to have the highest win percentage if you acount for everybody he has killed before he showed up on earth. it's probably in the 1000s maybe millions if you count the planets he has taken over.
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Roshi : "I have best win percentage" Goku : "I have most wins" Yamcha : "I have better win ratio than Vegeta" Chiaotzu : "You guys have wins?"
I could quibble about certain examples but I think your assessment reveals a true trend. That said, a couple thoughts: 1.) win percentage isn’t as important as win quality. Yamcha’s stats are entirely boosted by DB. Once we hit Z he gets entirely washed. 2.) certain fighters (namely Vegeta, Roshi, & Tien) must have pre Z win streaks at least comparable to Goku’s. I know we can’t judge them by fights we haven’t seen but in order for them to even be where they’re at when they come into the story they have had some serious wins collected under their belts. 3.) Roshi is a beast. Krillin’s numbers get a bit inflated by super throwing some pity wins his way but his record is still damn respectable. Piccolo’s true value is as a team player. Future Trunks’ record is worse than it appears because he has a lot of repeat L’s we don’t see…but he wins them when it matters. Gohan’svrecord is the most disappointing…even though that ain’t exactly a surprise
Okay, appreciate the effort but there is soo much BS in Gohan's win loss calculation. First of all, you counted it as two losses in fighting Frieza's forms 1-3, honestly could be a single loss if you consider it one huge fight even counting final form freeza. And technically he never lost against Cell. They were still fighting when Gohan went SS2. And how did you count SS2 vs Cell as a loss? At best its a dub and at worst its non concluded because Goku teleported Cell away. And in Buu saga you counted Gohan's loss against Super buu as two losses which is ridiculous because he was beating Super Buu's ass! So its either one loss to Super Buu if you count Super buu and Buutenks as 1 fighter or 1 win 1 loss if you count them as seperate.
Appreciate the comment! just wanted to give you my thought process of Gohan: Frieza 1st and 2nd vs Vegeta, Krillin, and Gohan is the first fight. I counted it as a separate fight when Piccolo showed up, because its a new matchup. When Cell realized that Gohan isn’t angry he pulls out the cell juniors to torment Gohan’s family, I count that as Gohan’s first loss against cell, because he couldn’t do shit to deal with any of it until 16 got his head crushed, Yes Gohan was kicking his ass after he turned ssj2 but ultimately lost when cell was going to blow himself up. the best I could give that one is a team up draw, because without goku’s instant transmission they all lost that. but arguing for draws isnt what I’m gonna do because it leaves the same point totals about half way through ep 264 Super Buu blasts Gohan and the fighters and the battle stops for the rest of the episode, because Gohan flies them up for safety. so I guess youre right that it wasn’t a loss and most likely a draw as there was no conclusion (yes ik Gohan was kicking his ass but thats how the battle ended). then he lost to buutenks Gohan’s one of my favorites too and I wasn’t trying to son him, this is just what I saw from him. if you disagree thats cool, just wanted to lay out my thought process
Vegeta did not lose to Broly in round 1 . Goku literally thought vegeta was going to kill him with that SSG Big Bang Attack. It took a lil for broly to even get back up. And got into his “Icari” form
This was a great video very insightful though this wont change the position on the charts vegeta didnt lose to 1st form frezea he kind of won or at least had a drew because vegeta told frezea to transform the allowed him to go into second form
Yeah can we talk about Puar tho? He faces Goku and wins in the first arc, then wins in the Fortune Teller Baba Arc aganist Vampire and he wins in Super aganist Roshi training him. 3/3, my goat should be ranked here instead of Fraudtzu
New Scoring system and break down in new video: ruclips.net/video/lidfRYTO9yY/видео.html
Updated Scoreboard:
Goku 49.00767
Vegeta 24.57467
Piccolo 11.61667
Gohan 9.14934
Krillin 8.59517
Roshi 8.36667
Tien 5.59167
Future Trunks 5.3
Yamcha 2.783
Yajirobe 1.433
Kid Trunks 1.0375
Chiaotzu 0.3
Goten 0.0375
Updated Win Percentage:
Roshi 59.76%
Vegeta 57.15%
Goku 50.01%
Yajirobe 47.77%
Piccolo 38.72%
Future Trunks 33.13%
Tien 32.89%
Krillin 31.83%
Gohan 28.59%
Yamcha 25.30%
Kid Trunks 17.29%
Chiaotzu 7.50%
Goten 0.63%
Loss Percentage:
Goten 83.33%
Kid Trunks 66.67%
Future Trunks 62.50%
Yamcha 54.54%
Chiaotzu 50%
Krillin 37.04%
Piccolo 36.67%
Tien 35.29%
Vegeta 30.23%
Gohan 28.13%
Goku 24.49%
Roshi 21.43%
Yajirobe 0%
Future trunks has a incalculable amount of losses. Imagine how many times he got jumped
Nah he was prolly hidin most of the time because how tf did he live that long if he was getting jumped
@ to be fair future gohan also went after the androids alot but they kept him alive otherwise they would be bored so thats probably what happened. He only lost his arm cuz trunks was there
@Lakonortrunks' goofy ass went in looking for trouble costing gohan his arm
Most likely not but it is something very interesting to think about based upon the unseen time-period moments he had to struggle in such post-apocalyptic conditions, but for the most part in the material I’ve seen he’s only loss against the future androids on 3 separate occasions within the manga and anime canon continuity and once against the present androids when after going in to aid his father SS Vegeta after his arm got broken not wanting to witness him fall against the likes of android #18.
@@Thing_of_somes Not really. It was Gohan managing to escape every single time
I know Vegeta fans are shocked he doesn't lose as much as they claim lol
Tbh it’s mainly the final boss villains he takes Ls
Real Vegeta fans know what’s up
Vegeta himself is shocked
that's only against the henchman's that he doesn't lose a lot too (albeit half the time he losses to them a lot) but its mainly the final bosses he losses to a lot
I don't count the battle on Earth as a loss, because none of them could beat him he lost to gravity being crushed falling under a great ape. They didn't beat him.
Can we talk about how his TOP performance singlehandedly saved Gohan from having an EMBARRASSINGLY low win rate in the low twentys?
What about Goku that lost all his Big Fights 1 X 1 in Buu Saga, Goku never won a fight in Cell Saga/Android Arc too.
Because Gohan rarely fight Side Characters he only fight the bests in universe.
Gohan Ragdoll Cell, Super Buu and are able to fight Freeza in Namek arc as a 5 years old.
Gohan is really embarrassing as a fighter all his wins except pre-androids is from 100% plot armor
He's a scholar and should be just that he's not a fighter and even when he sort of is plot armor holds his hand the whole way.
@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024 If it weren't for Gohan, Goku and Piccolo would have died at the beginning of Z and Raditz would have exterminated all humanity.
Nah Gohan vs Cell should count as a W cause he beat Cell so bad that he spat out 18 and decided to pull a Frieza
Imo there's a lot of miscalculations here
yeah true same with goku vs jiren, and some other fights on here where the hero literally wins but something happens preventing them from finishing the fight
@@taylorbeckett9686 Imo, your opinion is fact. This video is a mess. It was a good idea, but I'm not sure the guy ever watched the show.
Saying gohan lost to cell and super buu but won against dabura is crazy work
@@jaquanrobinson1793 this video is a mess
Why are giving roshi points when it was Jackie Chun who did all of the 1st world tournament arc
Because they're both old
@Nick-yl4qp but still he was able to beat goku who got trained by roshi so he definitely better
Jackie Chun was also trained by Mutenroshi, reaching a point when both can be seen as the same person, that's what the friend of my friend, who was neighbour to a guy who has said to have met Toriyama once, have told at least. I believe in this story.
There was an intense investigation into the location of Jackie Chun, but all results were unsuccessful. Eventually, all parties involved were contacted by the IRS and directed to grant any and all of Jackie Chun's points to this "Master Roshi" guy. We don't like it any more than you do, but the rules are the rules 😢
i am not sure if you are joking or not xD
It doesn't really matter, but I wouldn't at ALL count Trunks's first encounter with Goku as a draw. For one, it wasn't really even a fight, just a test of strength...which Goku TRIVIALIZED. He was literally blocking Trunks's sword attacks with a single finger, there was no contest. It doesn't seem fair to call that a draw just because Goku didn't knock his ass over.
I was thinking the same thing. I think he was generous in some cases regarding what constituted a fight.
I was thinking the same but I do remember trunks and Goku calling it a draw and claiming there power level where the same. . At least that's what I think I remember if remembered correctly 🧐💬 🤔💭
@@aaronespinoza9910 They had no reason to actually battle each other; it was a measured sparring session. Basically, a test of strength.
Give my man trunks a break, he lost his universe, you want him to lose more 😂
trunks blasting jeets once during the cell arc is also not a "fight" or a "win". vegeta mocks trunks and tries to call him out for bluffing, not even bothering to defend himself at all. trunks isn't bluffing and blasts vegeta into the distance, who is still completely unhurt as trunks wasn't even trying to hurt jeets, just knock him out of the way so he could finish off cell quickly.
that is not a fight and not a win lol
Didn't Piccolo won against 2nd form Freeza? I thought that's the reason why Freeza went into his 3rd form.
yeah he did
won how? did he knock freeza out or kill him? no? then it's not a win. also from what i recall of that fight second form is keeping up with piccolo pretty well and it's not a one sided beat down at all, freeza just gets tired of a fair fight and goes third form lol
we also dont' break up fights into "forms" either as that makes zero sense. freeza vs the z fighters is one giant fight, in which freeza wins. there is no little mini fights broken up into forms, it's one prolonged battle, and during some of the battle, freeza was screwing around in his lower forms when he could have just gone right to final form and won any time he wanted.
@@nizz0matic307 so imperfect cell to super perfect cell is one fight against z fighters lol cos we dont count diff forms
@@hustler666100 you're not very smart, i guess i'll have to explain the obvious. that clearly isn't a single fight is it?
the fight stops and starts up again like 5 times with time passing each time. piccolo vs freeza doesn't END and START AGAIN with freeza going third form that makes no sense does it?
we break up the cell battles with things like how the fights literally stop and time passes and then a new fight with cell happens lol, it's not that hard to figure out that freeza just transforming in the middle of an ongoing fight doesn't count as a new fight
@@nizz0matic307 no have to agree to disagree. Im assuming when Goku arrives to fight Freeza that breaks your rules and is a new fight
- fights jiren as a draw
- fights jiren as a draw
- loses to jiren
- loses to jiren
- teams up to beat jiren
Holy FUARK, my hero STRONGren is so STRONG!
@@ElMilaneso777 SHITren lost to base GODku and base CHADza while using his canonically strongest form.
@AutisticAndBallistic HEROkuhermanos..... I kneel
Enter?
@@ElMilaneso777 I FUCKING LOVE [STRONGWALL] BEST CHARACTER IN THE TOURNAMENT OF POWER
I think you forgot about tien losing to buu’s legs in the buu saga
damn you’re right, with that included his win rate drops to 35% bringing him just below future Trunks, good looking out.
Now that's actually diabolical.
toriyama really hates him that much huh
Lmao
@@ZEHAHAHA9697if he counted filler he lost to trunks in bojack too
hey btw yamcha didngt lose to the saibamen he drawed beacuse both of them died
definitely true, points remain the same though. Yamcha deserves better
Technically he beat the saibaman then it eventually got back up latched on and self destructed that would have happened to the others if anyone else went instead of him
This is amazing new tech in the Yamcha fandom
@@razzdays
Also, Yamcha defeated the Cell Jr. with help from Tien (which also counts as a win for Tien); and they did so while protecting Goku.
He won bc he became famous as meme
Yamcha having a higher win % than Vegeta is fucking hilarious 🤣🤣
Yamucha has a higher win rate than most of the cast. Even higher if we consider his one fight in the Moro arc
also inaccurate
because it's nonsense. all his wins are regular humans with no ki abilities in filler tournament fights. considering vegeta is actually fighting powerful ki using people in life or death situations, his wins actually mean more.
vegeta's namek run massacring all of freeza's top henchmen clowns anything yamcha did in his entire life and that's just a snap shot.
@@nizz0matic307 this was simply counting wins and losses.
@@SabirTheHuman which is meaningless, cause people go "omg yamcha actually sucks less than vegeta", so the stats are meaningless and not indicative of anything
15:58 bruh the amount of fades kid Goku ran need to be studied
He just ran around punching people he should have been classified as a terrorist
@@chugsfromtriadIf he had been beaten enough times and had Zenkai boosts, he fades Raditz ez
@@iamnotjcook Honestly if it wasn't for plot, I'd say the absolute war Goku had against Piccolo Jr. at the end of DB should've been plenty enough to beat Raditz, or at least with Goku/Piccolo teaming up and not needing a dramatic sacrifice
Kid Goku and Ash were D1 crashouts back in those days
@@Taima raditz exists to show you how weak and low level everything that happens on earth really was in dragon ball. a random saiyan warrior who isn't even that powerful for a saiyan and is the weakest of the surviving saiyans can bully the earth's two greatest fighters like nothing. raditz was a plot device, he shows up, shows you that space and aliens hold way bigger threats than anything on earth, drops a bunch of plot exposition about goku being an alien and foreshadows the real villains, vegeta and nappa.
it would be illogical to think goku SHOULD beat him easily when his entire purpose in the story was to clown goku's current power and then lore dump and then tease even greater villains. it's also not logical from an in universe point of view disregarding his place in the plot. raditz was in space conquering planets with his fellow saiyans, likely fighting beings way above piccolo and goku.
i'm going to be honest, if anything, raditz should be stronger, i always thought only having a PL of 1000 was odd for someone constantly fighting alongside jeets and nappa, he should be like half of nappas PL at least or something.
Yamcha was the original Vegeta, so it makes sense that his win rate is similar to Vegeta's. The whole point of Yamcha as a fighter was to create a measuring stick for Goku to then surpass
What goku clowned on yamcha one chapter after they met
@nepty5920 What does that have to do with whether or not he served the same role as a measuring stick in the past that Vegeta serves now?
literally no lol, have u watched dragon ball? goku clowned him as a child with no ability to even use ki the first time they met, and ever since, yamcha has not even been a remote challenge to goku at any point.
tien actually fulfils the role you're talking about, as he beats goku once, and they have several more fights which are used to show far goku has come.
@nizz0matic307 This counterargument is misguided, because it ignores all the times that Yamcha is used as well measuring stick to demonstrate how remarkable Goku is in comparison to him. On 3 separate occasions:
- He lost to Master Roshi after showing off how far he's come to demonstrate the difference in strength between a talented fighter like him and a remarkable martial artist like Roshi and Goku
- He lost to Mummy man to show off how strong that guy was, only for Goku to then win that fight
- He lost to Tien, who then took that "Vegeta" role from him before getting replaced by Piccolo, who then got replaced by Vegeta
Whether or not he won their first fight or served as a proper rival, is irrelevant to whether or not he serves the "Vegeta" role, because the point of that role is to use a strong character like him (at the time), or Tien, or Piccolo, or Vegeta, to demonstrate how much of a threat an even stronger character like Frieza, Cell, or Buu is.
@@michaeleanthonyjr but when has yamcha been shown to be strong what battle shows off him being a measuring stick
though technically correct it feels a bit weird listing Tien as having lost to 2nd form Cell lol
like, thats the last badass heroic stand a human ever really did in Z and he absolutely completed his objective of buying time (its hardly his fault the androids didnt flee)
Fr that moment was too cold 🥶 and he did it for 4 hours
Those androids were rlly useless 😔
Mr. Satan stood up to kid Buu and managed to control Majin Buu. Hercule is without a doubt the most badass human in DBZ.
Tien ain’t human, dude has 3 eyes
@@sirfrescobar4830 and Krillin doesn't have a nose... Anyways, Tien is human, he's from an ancient tribe of triclops but he's still human, according to Akira Toriyama and Dragon ball canonical lore.
@@sirfrescobar4830
That's a misconception made by Westerners who don't know Asian mtyhology. The third eye is a symbol of enlightenment and ascention. Tien is basically an ascended human.
Yamchabros, we are so back!
It's hilarious to think that yamcha wins more consistently then gohan lol 😅
lol congrats
The problem with team wins only giving 0.5 points is that it pushes towards the medien of 50%, even if the character technically has no losses.
For instance a character with 10 wins and 10 team wins would only have a 75% win rate. That's why all these numbers, especially Piccolo's, are so low.
100% and also the decision to give 0 points for both losses and draws is crazy
7:30 I'd say Piccolo drawed against Frieza 2nd form then lose against Friezas 3rd form
I agree 💯💯 but fire vid 🔥
Technically really he beat 2nd form since he pushed Freiza to transform
Exactly
He beat 2nd form Frieza. He was straight up (a bit) stronger and Frieza transformed, cause he couldn't win in his second form.
Piccolo should have gotten the win against 2nd form Frieza here. Frieza might not have been able to beat him if he didn't transform and Piccolo wasn't using his full strength.
Well, techniqually Puar has a winrate of 100%.
He won against both Great Ape Goku and Baba‘s Vampire, making Puar the strongest Z-Fighter.
He forgot about vegeta destroying puipui
you’re right, gotta boost him to 45%. his ranking doesnt change though
@razzdays And also just to let you know about another little interesting tidbit fact was that future trunks actually also destroyed 10 level ranked foot soilders aka babidi’s minions of the zoon-sejin race, with that also including even the likes of future majin pui pui and future majin yakon while in his SS Full power form, while yes it is something that was barely mentioned in the DBS manga during the future majin buu conflict but it ultimately did happen.
@@razzdays Did you miss Vegeta 1 shitting frost in the universe 6 tournament?
@@razzdays Vegeta should be around 50%. You forgot the stuff he did before arriving on Earth. And you forgot the Pui Pui and Frost fight.
why are you calling it a win against mrpopo? goku doesn't get past mrpopo, and goku even says that theres no way for him to beat popo.
If someone steps down, he considers it a loss, and likewise considers both fighters stepping down as a "draw" . That's why Goku "lost" to Cell and "tied" Trunks in their first encounter. As well as "tying" fat Buu in SSJ3.
Now we know why in that episode in the cell saga I believe, Yamcha was straight up styling on Vegeta and no one knew why he took that disrespect. He knew his impressive 50% win rate all along.
Taking away Gohan's wins against Cell and Cell Max is just wrong. I understand the team up thing but he is the one who deal the decisive blow. Besides, once he turned SSJ2 against Perfect Cell he did win the first round. Cell was done. He even puked out 18. That's why he threatened to blow himself up. You could count the second round as a draw since semiperfect Cell was teleported away by Goku before coming back as Super Perfect Cell. Gohan once again was the one to push back Cell's kamehameha wave back all the way until he was vaporized. Vegeta's help was a courtesy since it was his fault that Gohan's arm was injured. He would have destroyed Cell anyway.
Against Cell Max, he did get a lot more help from Piccolo and the others. Then again it was his special beam cannon that pierced through Cell Max's weak spot on his head.
no super perfect cell was about to win the beam struggle against Gohan until Vegetas distraction. Id still give it to Gohan though. Id give Guldo Recoome and Burter to Vegeta too if we are going on killing blow
@@hustler666100 The reason gohan even had a chance of losing that beam struggle is because his strength was cut from having to take a blast to save Vegeta because he randomly decided to suddenly care about his son at the worst time.
@@rod_sunrise8907in the show. in the manga gohan was extremely close to full power the anime is the only reason people think that. so manga says he NEEDED the distraction Vegeta provided
@@melvondrewhite2674 no it doesnt. anime is a product of manga. by ur logic then in the original EVERYONE tried to help gohan and vegeta was the only one strong enough to make a difference would would help the point if him NEEDING vegeta. also saying anime matters more than the original story that has the authors direct intent is asinine. by that logic we should every single filler fight too right? gtfoh.
@@riku_darc3578”The manga says he NEEDED the distraction Vegeta provided”
Nope
Yamcha having the third best win% rate is such a good example how choosing your fights is important to get a nice record, with only Roshi being better at it in my opinion.
Goku having a higher % feels more down to sheer combat ability rather than picking your fights well.
Or a good example of how weird methodology can skew results.
Yamcha vs Saibamen should be a draw if you gotta take yourself out to take out your opponent and a sneak attack after you already got KO just about, that’s a draw, especially the way he was given that bean man the work
definitely true, thats on me. points remain the same though
@@razzdays Real Warriors. Reply to RUclips comments 😂 Cool Shadow. Cool content, subscribe. No worries about crying over publications you good 👌🏽
I'd say Chiaotzu is the TenTen equivalent, but at least Chiaotzu had screen time.
Thank you for this video! These are the kind of stats I love to see!
Also
Gohan's team-up with Vegeta is only needed because he took damage defending Vegeta - if he had both hands I'm pretty sure he would have soloed Cell, he didn't NEED Vegeta's help until Vegeta caused him to take damage
definitely true, but vegeta did join in so technically still a team up
@@razzdays Technically yeah, its just that he was more hindrance than help and Gohan very much did not want him joining in lol
Ssj2 cell was more than Gohan at that point in time.
Some weird decisions but overall great video! Can’t wait for the Villains Version.
You forgot to include Vegeta beating Pui Pui during Buu saga and Frost in the Universe 6 tournament. Even though he just one-shotted him, it still counts as a win. Also love that Team Three Star are all right there with each other with the points total.
great video! with all of the draws i think loss percentage is probably the most important metric. I'm glad you showed it at the end!
18 is also a z-fighter
Also 17
Android 18 would have probably a high win rate because she doesn’t fight too often
I don't know if you've seen Hunter X Hunter but it would be fun to see a fighting graph video like this one on it. This video was very fun I really enjoyed it 😊
piccolo didnt really fight supreme kai, and its weird having draws and team wins penalize fighters
i hope he does an addendum
13:55 One win and one loss doesn't even out when calculating probability unless those are the only two data points. To make it more clear, lets say that across fifty data points you have 1 loss and 49 wins, then across the next fifty you have twenty five losses and twenty five wins, the end result is 26 losses, and 74 wins, even though there's still a large gap, the gap is proportionately much smaller than it was before. If those data points had evened themselves out, the gap would be proportionately the same.
"You can also rely on Goten to fuck shit up" I laughed hard at that
great video the numbers are surprising
7:54 "Won against Babidi" Coughing Baby vs Nuclear Bomb
this is a great vidéo you will get to 1000 subs in no time
Just going to point out, you have omitted known offscreen wins.
We know damn well that Chiaotzu has at least one offscreen win for example, because of the guy with severe burns from the World Tournament, and his passing the preliminaries, even if we did not see the fight. As such I think it'd be good to throw the guy that one.
Skipping unknown offscreen wins on the otherhand is necessary. While it's doubtless Roshi or Vegeta got into fights we don't know about to get to the skill level at time of introduction, how many is up in the air.
Vegeta has a bunch of offscreen wins too. For starters we have that scene with him and Nappa on that other planet and has a bunch of dead aliens around them I wanna say.
If you watch the OG Dragon ball, master Roshi's win rate makes the most sense. While he is not the strongest fighter out there, he is probably one of the smartest. He managed to beat Goku in their first fight during the first tournament by outwitting him, and I think he took out about three fighters during the tournament of power, which is impressive for a character that was treated like a joke in DBZ. He even had a good strategy for beating much stronger fighters with the evil containment wave.
I’d like to argue that Yamcha actually draw with the saibaman since they both died
I really liked this break down. Mostly objective instead of subjective, which you never see when people talk about dragon ball characters and how strong they are. Would be interesting to take this and then add in the movies also to see how much the numbers change, even though the movies aren't canon.
"Not including the movies or the filler episodes"
Includes fights like Gotenks vs copy Vegeta,as well as the Broly+Super Hero movies
You right on copy vegeta but DBS Broly & Super Hero are 100% canon…
@@PharaohTerrellGaming you both wrong, the only canon thing (for the anime canon) is copy vegeta
@Luizkorynga no, Super hero & Broly are 100% canon. Both to anime & manga. They all have manga chapters
@@OnlyDarien not yet (for the manga yes) but we'll have to wait for the continuation of the anime to be sure
@@PharaohTerrellGaming GT was canon long before Super existed. Even the manga supported this.
I love the fact that you made this video. Thank you.
Gohan won against Dabura? That was a draw.
Dabura forfeit
A few things to update: Kid Trunks had a win in the World Martial Arts Tournament before facing Goten, boosting his win rate to 36%. Piccolo won, or at least drew against Frieza‘s 2nd form, before losing to 3rd and Final form Frieza, boosting his rate up to 39/41%. In Gohan’s fight against Perfect Cell, you break up the fight into four parts, scoring it .5 out of four 4, but you score Goku versus Frieza as a single fight. If Goku wins against Frieza, Gohan gets a solo win against Perfect Cell, which would boost his win rate to 37%. Otherwise, this was a cool thought experiment. Roshi’s boost in Super doesn’t seem so out of place now.
4:43 Yamcha drew not lost to that saibaman since if it didnt self dest he wpuldve won
This is the only comment I've fully 100% agreed with
I like this new take on power scaling and breakdowns
What’s the track at 19:22 in the background? I can’t recall the name
“Dialga’s Fight to the Finish” from pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky
@ appreciate it 🙏🏾⚡️
You should count a draw as a Half point.
Future Trunks is a legit the most tragic character in the series, no matter how hard he tries he just takes L after L. And it's usually through no fault of his own.
Roshi : "GET ON MY LEVEL PUNKS!"
20:21 Chiaotzu losing all 4 of his fights 😭
I like what u did here. But some things were inaccurate. I still enjoyed it though.
You forgot when the humans on king Kai's planet fought the ginyu force.
That's cause it's filler.
Putting aside what happened at roshi island and the roshi island flight log, roshi is pretty goated with that win record
I don't know if I agree with some of Piccolo's fights. I felt he won against 2nd form Frieza as he forced him to transform and the first fight with imperfect Cell I thought he had the advantage as cell had to solar flare and run away. at least call it a draw since he ran once Trunks and Krillin arrived.
also Trunks vs Vegeta was more of a team up against Turnks but also Vegeta wasn't really beaten. this should also be at least a draw but it's also weird because technically Vegeta and Cell won. their goal was to let 18 be absorbed and they succeeded.
I feel better clarification is needed for what is considered a Win, lose, draw and clarification for how certain fights are broken up into single/team up fights or become 1 large battle. like Vegeta gets 1 loss for his fight on Earth even though Goku was thoroughly beaten before the others joined but against Freiza they get 4 different fights for each form? i thought maybe it was the forms but Vegeta also had a form change.
i think the sparring fights are the worst at defining the team-up and what's a win/lose/draw. Like Krillin lost to goku in super but then 18 joined the fight and goku calls the fight off after a while. but this is a draw for krillin only? I would exclude all sparing since they are very subjective (excluding the Vegeta and goku sparing since they take them serious).
Never gonna accept that Super is canon with Roshi being able to fight beings with power levels like those. Suspension of disbelief shattered.
let OG have his dubs, wasnt for him goku wouldnt be so good
yamcha even beat the saibaman, it just blew itself up after losing. if this counts as a loss then goku deserve a loss for letting semi perfect cell explode too. especially if chiatzou losing to piccolo counts since chiaotzu never fought him, he only died trying to steal his wish.
by that logic, vegeta should have a higher score too for killing a village of namekians.
not all fights are equal.
Glad to see Yamucha so high with his win rate. Also Roshi’s win rate shows how he knows when to pick his fights and when not to. He knows his strengths very well and this is why he’s still one of if not the best martial artists in the series
Didn’t piccolo beat cell in their first fight
Krillin also lost to general blue. Great video tho!
Blue beat everyone except Tao.
Copy Vegeta was a filler episode since it never appeared in manga
11:07 Gohan didn't lost to Cell in ssj1, he was more than capable of killing him with just ssj1. He also won against Super Buu but lost against Buutenks
The wins an losts for Gohan didn't make sense to me, he won some of those an some he actually didn't lose because he didn't fight cell when he spat out 18 , he fights cell before that lol
Smh haters don’t want to acknowledge Gohan is the best Z fighter
Counting Spopovich and Tammy when that just literally wasn't a fight is some foul shit. Shoulda said Goku lost to Krillin when that rock hit him at that point
Not including filler, but Goku beating punks isn’t filler? Loved the video though. Vegeta and nappa beat aliens in their first scene (eating them), then beat the grasshopper aliens before getting to earth. Goku beat bubbles and Gregory, etc. Feel like a lot more could have been included, but overall again, great video! I’m sure this one took a while lol.
@13:10 "and gets his arm fuckin broken"
I love how he said in the beginning "Not including movies or filler episodes" yet he counted fights in Dragon Ball Broly, and Super Hero lol
I clickd on this vid expecting you to have at least 50k subs for this high quality content. ONLY 360??? HOW ARE YOU SO UNDERRATED GET THIS MAN TO AT THE VERY LEAST 10K.
Yeah man agreed. He earned my sub
That was a lot of material to cover. Nice job.
Bruh I’ve Always Wondered what their record Was All Time🗣️ Thank You
Mr Popo has a 100 percent win rate
The percentage just knows better.
Vegito lost to ZAMASU actually, he defused.
Vegeta as majin stopped the fight vs Goku and said they'd finish it later. So idk why you said that's a win. Also you should give the win vs Cell to Goku bcs he was literally there helping lmao
When I saw how you were trying to count every single fight I knew Goku's turn would take a while.
YamChads stay winning
Yamcha beat the Saibaman. After the fight, and his guard was down, the Saibaman took him out. It's like winning a boxing match and being told you lost because as you were getting in your car, your opponent opponent cracked you with a lead pipe.
It's a little unfair to chiatzo and tien because they win the same amount in the preliminaries round of the tournament as Goku, yamcha and krillin but they do it off screen. Most unfair to chiatzo because he made it to the tournament. Yes i know it's off screen and we know the z fighters won battles off screen and they didnt count because we dont know how many fights they fought, but we know for sure, 100%, chiatzo won at least 1 fight in the preliminaries, porbably more as there is no way to know how many fights they have in the preliminaries so his win rate isn't 0%
Hercule win/loss
Loss 1v1 percent cell
(bodied)
Win teamup vs perfect cell
(threw 16s head to Gohan)
loss tournament v. trunks
(counts in vid)
win tournament v. 18
(tournament counts in vid)
win v buu, forced split
(killing with kindness)
win teamup v. kid Buu
(helped get spirit bomb energy)
w/l 3/2 60% win rate (by these standards)
Put some respect on Yamcha's name!
Piccolo both sent first form Cell running scared, but also tricked him into revealing his backstory and plans. That's at worst a draw but at best a win. He did lose to him later once he'd absorbed more people, though.
I think your scoring system is the biggest issue with this. Team ups shouldn’t count against you. Like if a fighter wins every fight, but some guy joins in last second everytime (like Vegeta with SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Cell) they suddenly have a 50% win rate? That makes zero sense; they should have a perfect record. But the bigger is saying that draws and losses are equal. Basically if two fighters tie over and over again, their record shouldn’t change much, but instead both fighters get a worse record. That’s why draws are either not counted at all or counted as 1/2. Also in your Vegeta section, a win and a loss is not equivalent to no fights. It pulls it closer to the average. So it helps if your record is below half (which Vegeta was) and hurts if it’s above half.
All in all, your video is pretty comprehensive in the dataset, but your scoring system is whack.
End of the video mate
Goku really was just farming for all of OG dragonball
Random mix off cannon and filler
No GT
@@dansmith1661GT isn’t canon
Should do one with all the major villains!
Man Vagetta has to have the highest win percentage if you acount for everybody he has killed before he showed up on earth. it's probably in the 1000s maybe millions if you count the planets he has taken over.
Roshi : "I have best win percentage"
Goku : "I have most wins"
Yamcha : "I have better win ratio than Vegeta"
Chiaotzu : "You guys have wins?"
I could quibble about certain examples but I think your assessment reveals a true trend. That said, a couple thoughts:
1.) win percentage isn’t as important as win quality. Yamcha’s stats are entirely boosted by DB. Once we hit Z he gets entirely washed.
2.) certain fighters (namely Vegeta, Roshi, & Tien) must have pre Z win streaks at least comparable to Goku’s. I know we can’t judge them by fights we haven’t seen but in order for them to even be where they’re at when they come into the story they have had some serious wins collected under their belts.
3.) Roshi is a beast. Krillin’s numbers get a bit inflated by super throwing some pity wins his way but his record is still damn respectable. Piccolo’s true value is as a team player. Future Trunks’ record is worse than it appears because he has a lot of repeat L’s we don’t see…but he wins them when it matters. Gohan’svrecord is the most disappointing…even though that ain’t exactly a surprise
Does anybody know the name of the music that pops up around 10:40?
Wheres the androids? Theyre definitely Z fighters as nuch as the others.
if I make a villain stats video they’ll be on that. I only really consider 18 a z fighter. 17 is only in the TOP
@@razzdays Moro arc
I love the fact that Vegeta won every fight against Goku.
Okay, appreciate the effort but there is soo much BS in Gohan's win loss calculation.
First of all, you counted it as two losses in fighting Frieza's forms 1-3, honestly could be a single loss if you consider it one huge fight even counting final form freeza.
And technically he never lost against Cell. They were still fighting when Gohan went SS2.
And how did you count SS2 vs Cell as a loss? At best its a dub and at worst its non concluded because Goku teleported Cell away.
And in Buu saga you counted Gohan's loss against Super buu as two losses which is ridiculous because he was beating Super Buu's ass! So its either one loss to Super Buu if you count Super buu and Buutenks as 1 fighter or 1 win 1 loss if you count them as seperate.
Appreciate the comment! just wanted to give you my thought process of Gohan:
Frieza 1st and 2nd vs Vegeta, Krillin, and Gohan is the first fight. I counted it as a separate fight when Piccolo showed up, because its a new matchup.
When Cell realized that Gohan isn’t angry he pulls out the cell juniors to torment Gohan’s family, I count that as Gohan’s first loss against cell, because he couldn’t do shit to deal with any of it until 16 got his head crushed, Yes Gohan was kicking his ass after he turned ssj2 but ultimately lost when cell was going to blow himself up. the best I could give that one is a team up draw, because without goku’s instant transmission they all lost that. but arguing for draws isnt what I’m gonna do because it leaves the same point totals
about half way through ep 264 Super Buu blasts Gohan and the fighters and the battle stops for the rest of the episode, because Gohan flies them up for safety. so I guess youre right that it wasn’t a loss and most likely a draw as there was no conclusion (yes ik Gohan was kicking his ass but thats how the battle ended). then he lost to buutenks
Gohan’s one of my favorites too and I wasn’t trying to son him, this is just what I saw from him. if you disagree thats cool, just wanted to lay out my thought process
Vegeta did not lose to Broly in round 1 . Goku literally thought vegeta was going to kill him with that SSG Big Bang Attack. It took a lil for broly to even get back up. And got into his “Icari” form
Tbh this exact video, but for the villains would be fun. See which version of buu is indeed the best lol
This was a great video very insightful though this wont change the position on the charts vegeta didnt lose to 1st form frezea he kind of won or at least had a drew because vegeta told frezea to transform the allowed him to go into second form
definitely fair point that it was a draw. good lookin out
@@razzdayssame thing with piccolo vs 2nd form frieza, and vegeta won against goku in the saiyan saga but was defeated by the team up
@sirfrescobar4830 his rankings don't change so it doesn't matter
@@melvondrewhite2674 re watch the fight buddy vegeta forced frezea into second form piccolo forced frezea to third
@melvondrewhite2674 just watch the fight im not going back and forth
“You can also rely on Goten to f*%k shit up.” For real, Goten never succeeds
Yeah can we talk about Puar tho? He faces Goku and wins in the first arc, then wins in the Fortune Teller Baba Arc aganist Vampire and he wins in Super aganist Roshi training him. 3/3, my goat should be ranked here instead of Fraudtzu
I think the fact the preliminaries of the World Tournament used to be depicted at all explains Yamcha's higher win percentage.
Good video dood
Ah yes, cell self destructing (ending his own life) because he couldn’t win is certainly a loss for gohan 💀
This just proves yamcha is the GOAT
Tien losing to Roshi but fighting Gohan and Piccolo to a draw is insane