Game of Thrones - Season 7 'Beyond the Wall' Episode Review
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Did anyone else laugh super hard whenever a random extra who didn't seem to be there before hand was killed by the wights or the zombie bear. instead of killing off the main characters they just brought extra people with them just to have them killed off haha.
theshadeofmyass That was so lame.
Yeah. It would've been nice if two of the a squad died and at least two of the wildlings survived.
you could see the red shirts on them lol
theshadeofmyass i was watching it with other people and they kept going "Oh no! Who was that?" and i had to keep explaining those were some disposable nobodies. And then they didn't even remember who Thoros or Benjen was.
yea I had a similar experience, I still think it was a dope episode even with the bullshit unlike most of the comment section it seems.... hahaha
If they dont wan't Jon to die fair enough, just stop making out as if he's about to die then bailing him out. It's just bad writing and makes me cringe. I really hope they stop. I dont mind these main characters not dying, i just hope they write it better so they dont always have to survive ridiculously unrealistic situations.
SuperRemixXx1 I totally agree.
SuperRemixXx1 yeah it didnt make sense why they decided to run in the dirrection of a horde of unknown size when john saw how many there were at hardhome.
SuperRemixXx1 the do it to show that he did die. The light god brought him back again. This is hinting and teasing somthing...
I completely agree. It's so cliche for him to emerge from the water nearly drowned.
Keep in mind D and D don't have years to work out the details and second quess everything. You can't compare that with Georges attention to detail which he obviously puts a lot of time into.
It doesn't make sense for Arya to criticize Sansa for "going along" with the Lannisters to survive. Because Arya "went along" by being Twyin's cupbearer to survive.
@@tadhgkearney5077 Nothing is exactly what you would have been doing if you were Sansa. She's right that Arya just would have gotten herself killed for no reason.
@Melly Reed not only did she lied to save joffrey's honour which got lady and the butcher's boy killed, but she was actually mad at ned and arya for all of it the rest of the season, and she went right into cersei's lap, all of this because she wanted to marry the pretty eyed prince. she was absolutely fine with all the stark people in kings landing getting butchered and ned taking the black as long as she could be queen. then ned gets beheaded, she finally sees joffrey for what he is, but doesn't have the guts to kill him and herself, and she spends the rest of the show until lysa arryn's death being an obedient puppet for every bigger player in the game of thrones. pisses me off how easy people forget what a piece of dirt she was, but the worst is how people give her credit for absolutely no reason and seem to think she's now a mix between cersei and littlefinger when she did NOTHING especially smart even after lysa's death besides lying to the lords of the vale, which was a no brainer.
Alexandra Rose But her going along with Tywin did not directly kill one of her family members.
Sansa had that coming, she was a huge jerk.
Both characters are idiots. However one specific person told cersei that her father was trying to leave kings landing getting him killed
This episode failed to communicate how large Jon's party was. I didn't realize that there were so many nameless Wildlings present. In my confusion, I thought that the undead polar bear had killed main characters, and not some Wildling red shirt.
Nathan Kendall - same here! Everyone kept talking about the "magnificent 7" so I was super confused when people were dying, like "Was that jorah!?... was that the Hound?!... wait is that guy dothraki??"
Kept it intense but was pretty confusing 😂
Nathan Kendall if you paid attention in the episode before you actually see them in tunnel
if you count them on the way up, the number in the party keeps changing. for like 11 to 14
Yeah, every time someone died I’d gasp and then I’d realise it was just a random dude xD
well technically the wight polar bear WAS responsible for a "major" character death, that being Thoros, just took a little while for it to truly take affect. like getting a gunshot to the belly, w/o medical intervention you're most certainly a goner, but it's gonna take awhile.
But nah I hear ya, they were a little bit inconsistent with the visual representation of the inclusion of all their red shirts.
Everyone listen , the night king is a fucking OG Olympic spear thrower , all he wanted to do is show his skills
Before the night king was the night king he was a gold medalist olympic spear thrower haha
He didn't really "throw" the spear. At least not by using the muscles in his arm. It looks more like he's using telekinesis to have the spear move wherever he wants it to, at whatever speed he wants it to move. Look at the 2nd spear throw: That 2nd spear changes its trajectory mid-flight. At first it seems to go for Drogo's wing but shortly before impact it changes its path towards Dany. She ducks down in the very last split-second and the spear misses.... Nice "aim bot" the NK has got there :P
I don't understand why Viserion exploded in fire when he's hit, it's not a missile, it's ice spear. And there's bloody everywhere, how is it possible a splinter can do so much damage to a dragon with thick hide
Meng Jue Ever tried what happens when you pour cold water into burning oil?? Answer: Kabboooom. (very bad idea, don't try it!!!) So... so that dragon is breathing fire, maybe he has some kind of "napalm reservoir" in his body and a "reaction chamber" in his throat where the mixture gets ignited, similar to e.g. rocket engines. So there's this super hot pressurized liquid that the dragon is squeezing out and then a very very cold ice-spear hits that very place... I don't find it hard to imagine that the ice instantly turns into vapor, and thus instantly expands violently, causing the fiery explosion we see. As I said: pouring water into burning oil (or fuel) has the very same bad effect... so why not on dragons too.
its probably all the fire inside the Dragons. If you look whenever they breathe fire the igniter (spark whatever you want to call it) comes from within. So when the spear hit, the dragon's inner fire went out of control and boom.
White Walker weapons are magical. Remeber they break most weapons on contact and a ballista hurt Drogon episode 4. So what is a magic spear gonna do.
Night king be like "thanks god we brought these ice spears and big chains woot woot"
Hmmm. It's almost like he may have known they were coming or something......
maceomaceo11 yes, the night king has the power to see the scripts. It is a different power than Bran's.
Well there were wildling wargs so what about wight wargs?
What?!!! Tormund and the Hound scene was the best scene of the whole episode! "You do know her... I want to make babies with her... They'll conquer the world." 😄
Here is a review on IMDB that I think sums this episode up perfectly -
7/10 | Henry Aldridge | 21 Aug 2017
I am not trying to be a hater of the show. I am a HUGE fan of Game of Thrones. I really am. I just feel let down by this latest season. The acting has been amazing and I have thoroughly been entertained, as usual, but the writing... it's just not the same.
Season 7 Episode 6: 'Beyond the Wall'
The Good: - Long episode! 68 minutes! - Very entertaining scenes beyond the Wall. The action and fighting scenes were very well done and were engaging. The quality of the sequences and visual effects was very good, as usual. - Amusing dialogue between the seven venturing beyond the Wall. I especially liked Tormund and the Hound's conversation. -Awesome game changer and cliffhanger at the end which gave me the chills.
The Bad: - Way too cliché for Game of Thrones. This is what upsets me the most about this episode and season. Daenerys swoops in on her dragons at just the right moment to save Jon and his team. The same goes for Benjen rescuing Jon. If this was a normal movie, David and Dan could get away with it. But it's not. When has Game of Thrones ever been this cliché, or predictable? - There doesn't seem to be any actual threat towards the main characters anymore. There is too much plot armour. Things go too well for the main characters, and they manage to get out of every situation. That's not the Game of Thrones I remember. In season 1, Ned lost his head. In season 3 Catelyn and Robb were butchered. In season 4 Oberyn's skull was smashed. I'm not saying I think Jon - or any other characters in particular - should die, I am just saying they shouldn't be in so many potentially fatal situations and then get themselves out of it. It's way too anti-climatic. When Jon fell in the frozen lake, he should have drowned, or it shouldn't have been written that he fell in the lake in the first place! The same goes for Jaime and Bronn in episode 4; they should have been taken prisoner by Dany. It just makes the plot more interesting. - Arya and Sansa's dispute. I like the idea of Arya and Sansa having their own civil war however I think this has been written quite badly - it has turned Arya from a really cool character to a rather annoying, dumb little girl. There has to be a better way for Arya and Sansa to not get along. I want to be able to say 'it was an easy mistake' to Arya for going against Sansa, but with this plot line I can't because Arya is just being a little thoughtless. - Scale of time. This part of season 7 doesn't really bother me too much, and I guess it could be considered 'nitpicking'. However, in this episode, I was a bit sceptical. Gendry ran around 50 miles in 6-8 hours? That's 6mph for 8 hours, in the subzero temperatures, over hills etc. A raven then from Eastwatch to Dragonstone would take a few days - it's literally over 1000 miles away! Followed by Daenerys flying which would take probably a day on her dragons. Sure, it may have been 3 and half days between Jon and co ending up on that island and Dany arriving. But it wasn't portrayed like that.
Here is my response to some other criticism for this episode, trying to counter it:
- The army of wights not attacking Jon and co until Dany arrived was not coincidence or stupidity on the Night King's behalf. The Night King knew Dany would come. He wanted her to come so he could add a dragon or two to his arsenal. But how did he know about Dany? Well, this episode as a result reveals that the Night King has powers similar to Bran. - I am going to guess that the Night King got that big chain of his from outside an abandoned castle on the Wall. As we saw in season 4 episode 9, a massive blade was attached by a chain to the top of the Wall and was used to take out wildlings scaling the Wall. - Dany probably chose not to accompany the Jon and co to the Wall in the first place because she likely underestimated the army of the dead.
JUST THINK of, let's say, season 4 of Game of Thrones. Remember? Joffrey, Tyrion's trial, Tywin, Oberyn, Cersei scheming... all that. Now think of season 7 of Game of Thrones. Personally, I am surprised by how different it is. I know season 7 is near the end game and of course it is largely war, but it just feels different. I hope the finale and the final season will impress me like Game of Thrones always used to. Don't hate on me for thinking about the story a bit more than you are.
Jack Dingle I agree for the most part.
Jon's death in Season 5 was also not Cliche as nobody saw that happening. Jon almost dying but surviving in Battle Of bastards was also not Cliche.
They should have left Jon behind, Night King captures him and they have a talk. Can you imagine that dialogue.
Orange Juice NK - " How many inches of snow dany get when winter comes"... Plot twist - night king is gay and loves jon
Orange Juice How could they understand each other? White Walkers language sounds like breaking ice. Unless the Night King just happens to know the language of Westeros.
Ken The Black Reaper Kaneki Jon dying was an amazing shocking moment. Similar to Ned's beheading and the red wedding. However even there I feel like being cheated with a cheap moment of suprise as the next season Jon is alive and well as if nothing happened at all. If they are going to kill a main character, at least let it be for good, like in the previous seasons. Btw Beric and his resurrections don't count cuz getting resurrected over and over is kinda his thing, thats what he does
Alright, Ghendry's gone, hopefully the Raven's out, and we now have to wait this out on this little island. Man, Thoros looks cold .... Fuck, can anyone start a fire ???
::: all looking at Dondarrion:::
Rick Medeiros I found that scene very rushed and weird like gendry runs back sends a raven and Danny sees a goes north and all this takes place within a day or 2. But honestly I don't they could have made it longer without more characters dying from the cold or Boredom and they can start a fire but what can they burn to keep warm? Thoros's body?
Deus ex machina
Blood loss, exhaustion, alcohol, and shock. Even with a fire, you've only mitigated one of four individually lethal factors, especially in an arctic environment. Additionally, what fuel did they have to create a fire? Weren't any trees in the area and I doubt they brought much if any wood with them, as that becomes a ludicrous weight to carry, especially with the fur sacks they had. So Thoros was definitely fucked the second he became that bear's chew toy. Unless they were packing blood bags, Gatorade, and a fuckload of bread, there was nothing they could do to help him.
The captive w.w.'s clothing to start... but let me ask you this. What does the sword require for it to burn perpetually?
Within the novels, wildfire. In the show, magic presumably. However this does not address Thoros' problem, His blood pressure would have dropped dramatically, and the alcohol would have stressed his liver beyond reason. Additionally a fire would not have been enough to keep his internal temperature high enough to live through the night. Also after the Wight's clothing is burned to ash what other fuel do you have?
Maybe sansa and arya are fighting on purpose, to trick littlefinger whos always watching and shit.
But who knows
Meidan Rrustemi but bran can see everything that happens so why doesnt he just tell them that littlefinger is playing them???
Kieranm513
The point of my comment is that they already know, which is why they are fake fighting (if my comment is accurate), IMO sansa already knew and so did arya, so they started to work together to trick petyr
Meidan Rrustemi good job you read the plot leaks
Gamesfordawgs funny thing is, i didnt even hear about the plot leaks til now. I just watched a lot of vids on the topic and made an educated guess 😛
My initial thought when seeing the letter was "Arya is too damn smart to fall for this shit."
Fighting on purpose to trick LF would be the only way to save this IMO.
I guess nobody cares about Thoros, I am one of the few...?
ThoseTrickyThings Right?? I was so sad when he died
ThoseTrickyThings It was so anti-climatic and Thoros deserved a great death.
He was such an important character in the books.. his death was a huge deal but sadly so underrated
King Jon Starkgeryan yes, his death was so boring. "One of the better ways to go" my ass, Thoros deserved a fighting death.
Richter Aurelian yea but he froze to death
They were using dragon glass.. that's why they killed em so quick compared to when Jon killed him it was his normal sword.
Dustin Smith I'm~I was just going to ask if anyone thought they had dragon glass weapons with them because there's no mention of it, nor there's a clear visual of it. I'll go watch it again.
i think the only one without a wight killing weapon was the hound using the hammer but the others had dragon glass in some form or Longclaw or a flaming sword.
They all have dragonglass or valyrian steel except for Thoros and Beric who had flaming swords.
was Gendry's war hammer valerian? because i don't think it was ever mentioned yet the Hound was taking wights out left and right.
no it's normal hammer .
You may think Arya is acting out of character and thinking irrationally with regards to Sansa, but it could be that she is playing Sansa in order to draw out Littlefinger. Maybe Arya knows that Sansa will be seeking counsel from him... then when Littlefinger's ploy becomes apparent and he has shown his hand, she'll be able to kill him with reason.
Robert Thompson seeing how Sansa sent Brienne to the south I wonder if this strange interaction between the sisters is a setup for Littlefinger as a whole
Anheru Draken did you just say "make a face" ...? She can't just make faces you dunce a face can only come from a person who is dead.
Robert Thompson little finger dies next episode
Yeah, I'm kind of expecting something like that because the stand she's taking doesn't make much sense. Arya knows how to play the game of faces (which she mentioned to Sansa), I assume she could figure out that Sansa is being honest and never really sided with the Lannisters, although she might not agree with Sansa's decisions then. And I also think Arya's character is written to be smart enough to see that Sansa is doing the right things now, it would be silly to lead her other way without a better excuse than just "I'm the vengeful and irrational Arya now and everything that isn't chopping enemy's heads is betraying the family".
That's my only hope
I've been waiting for your video aaaall day.
Kila Tran same
Kila Tran me, too.
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The 10 min turn around on s7e4 spoiled my wife and I. Late for 1st patient bc of that on :P
My brother and I have been talking about this. The thing between Arya and Sansa actually started with Bran when he gave the dagger to Arya. Bran hinted it at Arya that she will use it on someone. So Arya started spying on Petyr, and as you said she is the smartest Stark. She's not antagonizing Sansa coz she believed the letter or that Petyr's plans are working. Arya 's acting that way, sort of scaring Sansa and playing her, coz she wants Sansa to figure it out. Exactly why she handed her the dagger in the end. It's like Arya's saying, there's a real danger here and it's not me take this dagger and take him out. Arya being creepy and threatening towards Sansa , she's also saying like, I'm an assassin and I can take you out without anyone noticing, wear your face, but I haven't done it.. Ask yoursrlf why, Sansa.
Hope that makes sense.
Read b/t the lines, Sansa haha
the dialogue is fine to real good. the problem is this use to be a fantasy show that didn't follow the typical fantasy troupes. if anything it thumbed it nose at them. now it has gone full Hollywood. if GRRM wrote that scene on the frozen lake at least half that group would of died if not more not one. I still like it though as I have accepted it isn't the books anymore. if this was another fantasy show this episode would be scene good to great but for GoT it is a little disappointing to go full hollywood
Yep
I still just keep thinking to myself, "if they aren't dying here, when, where and how, and will that be better than if they had died here?" I have my hopes up that they know where all of these characters are headed and how they will be fully utilized and killed to give us the best payoff and impact. So basically, I'm doing the unpopular thing at the moment and trusting the writers and their judgement
The reason we say the writing is shit is because people are doing stupid shit e.g white walker aiming for viserion not drogon; not taking the wildling killed by the bear as a Wight to cersei as proof; benjen not getting on that fucking horse. Furthermore the actual dialogue between characters can be awful e.g suddenly creepy out of character stupid arya. I would also like to see more emotional impact from some moments in the episode, like when Jon saw benjen for the first time in years, a man who is supposed to be his childhood hero, and the entire conversation is "uncle benjen come with me". Boring. Also Thoros's death had no impact on the story. I would have liked to have seen some real emotion from his old friend Berric, or even words from the hound to demonstrate how his time with the brotherhood has developed him as a person. Instead he just continues to drink wine. No development. This is all crap writing.
What if in the books GRRM has a similar scene, are you gonna give it the same flak or does it get a pass because his the writer.
Good grief! just because the guy attacked and killed by the bear/wight died north of the wall does not make him a wight. It is also NOT like walking dead where a bite turns you. A White Walker needs to raise them to make them wights....remember Hardhome? The dead didn't stand until they were raised by the Night King!
cmon guys... the Arya/Sansa conflict is fake.. they are setting up Littlefinger. It became obvious to me when Sansa sent Brienne away
I really hope this is the case because I'm finding this plot insufferable to watch. That's the only thing that would salvage it for me. What I'm hoping is that Sansa reciting the "Lone wolf dies, but the pack survives" speech is what she tells Littlefinger right before he dies, revealing that she, Arya, and Bran have been onto his game the entire time.
Smarmee yeah but weren't sansa and littlefinger plotting to eliminate arya? Like thats what littlefinger was hinting at in his scene with sansa in this episode right? So dont you think sending brienne away is so that Brienne then wont be around to protect arya (since she is sworn to protect both sansa AND arya). So it seems more likely that Sansa will side with littlefinger and try to get rid of arya possibly. But of course if that is the case it all becomes totally ridiculous because Bran can see everything that happens in the entire universe, so why the fuck doesn't he just tell sansa and arya that littlefinger is manipulating them? Thus ending all the infighting
Sansa will not side with Littlefinger. She has said time and time again she doesn't trust him. He taught her how to play the game, how to manipulate people. He told her to think of every scenario and plan for it. Right now, Sansa is out manipulating Littlefinger. She is no longer a tool of anyone else... ESPECIALLY Littlefinger. It will be the most apt way for Littlefinger to perish.
how come I never realize these things on my own...? I feel better now, thanks JHH
Tiggerpup Sansa might try to use Little Finger, but right now I hate to admit but he's playing both Sansa and Aria like a fiddle - and that's one more reason I don't like this episode.
Sansa and Aria have been living in Winterfell for weeks, maybe months now, and they still have not discussed their traumatic experiences?
People say they don't want to see endless traveling, but Jon could have bonded with Jorah and offered to return Longclaw on the boat.
Then at least he could have picked another sword.
But in the middle of the wilderness?
Just stupid.
I'm a book reader so I have come to terms that the books will always be superior. However, I am somewhat saddened by some fans being overly critical and, complaining about the dialogue and the time travel. Do y'all really wanna see a whole episode of Daenerys silently flying over half the continent? I will admit that the show has lost some of its magic from the first seasons, but it is still an amazing show, and I think we as a whole fandom need to be able to differentiate the tv show between the books, and try to enjoy what we have been given.
They never will..this has been going on since season five and even before that they were constantly complaining about the most vapid shit.
Morgan Bert I'm a reader myself, and for the most part, I've been able to forget all the other stupid little things that have happened over the seasons (Dorne, Stannis, etc) but this episode deserves all the harsh criticism it's getting in my opinion. The lazy Arya/Sansa storyline and the various annoying little plotholes in this specific episode (especially the Night King killing Viserion instead of Drogon, which in my mind will never make sense. I've seen people theorize that the Night King doesn't even know who Jon is, and that he's "just another guy" to him, while at the same time calling him a greenseer. Like what? He should know how important Jon is to get rid of then.) All of these little things ruin this episode for me. Then again, maybe I had my hopes too high.
Thank you good ser, I have seen so many neckbeards freaking out over this season
Morgan Bert of course no one wants to see that. But they want a story that's somewhat grounded in its own universe. You can adjust the story to make the traveling make more sense.
Torg
Whyhy the Night King took down Viserion and not Drogon:
1. Viserion was flying, and shooting down a flying dragon would probably do more damage than if it was grounded.
Say you're shooting at an airplane, if it is landed and you shoot at its wing, the wing is broken but the rest survives, but if you shoot it while it's flying the planes crashes.
2. Viserion was breathing fire, and as we can in the episode he isn't just pierced ny the spear, he explodes with fire. The fire he was spewing did massive damage to him. Drogon wasn't breathing fire and as a result the spear would have done less damage.
3. Viserion was actively destroying the Wight army, so as not to lose as many soldiers, the Night King aimed at Viserion.
4. The Night King is a pretty arrogant bastard, as shown at the end of Hardhome. He could have killed Jon Snow right there, but choose to show off his powers. This probably is another such instant. He thinks that Dany, Jon and the rest are such a non-threat he doesn't need to kill them.
5. There were 6 people on top of Drogon, any one of them could have stopped the spear if they saw it.
It's funny watching these old reviews and listening to your theories and insights..... knowing what we all know now.
It's even more funny listening to beau mispronounce basic words and phrases I've known since before I was a girl who could count to 20. Poignant and coup d'état.
I'd just like to point out that the wights were falling a lot faster than season 1 because all the weapons they were using at the battle at the lake were made with the Dragonglass that was mined from Dragonstone. Check the scenes again, even the Hound throws down Gendry's hammer for Dragonglass knives he had in his coat!
Spotted Gaymer dragonglass doesnt have an effect on wights, just others
No it affects Wights as well based of this episode. There was the bear, it got stabbed with a dragonglass dagger and stopped moving.
Night's King I don't see it as a continuity problem. Before this episode we had not seen the effects of Dragonglass on wights simply because weapons being made of Dragonglass has been out of style for thousands of years. And if it's strong enough to kill/destroy White Walkers, why wouldn't it work on the wights, which are created by the White Walkers? We see they are connected when John kills one and most of the wights with him just disintegrate, they're closely connected on a magical level. What works against the greater magic must then work on the lesser magic, IMO.
Either the show has done a *major* fuck up of not telling us that the canon has changed to mean the exact opposite of what was established early in season 1, and has been adhered to since then, or the dragon glass doesn't have any effect on the wights. I am gonna check the scenes again, to see if that was maybe their intention, but having such a dramatic shift in knowledge about these weapons being totally glossed over is a fuck up of monumental proportions.
I don't think D&D, HBO, or any of the incredibly talented people working on this show would fuck up that bad.
+Spotted Gaymer Actually, we have. Jon fought a wight with Longclaw (Valyrian steel) back in Hardhome, and it had no lasting effects (the wight kept fighting). Also, at least in the books, regular steel, valyrian and dragonglass have all been used against wights, with no results. Only fire can kill a wight, or at least it did, until this episode broke all reasonable continuity.
Hey real quick: WHAT THE FUCK WAS JON DOING?! GET ON THE GOD DAMN DRAGON!
Alphabetical Disorder right!!!! Wtf
ikr i was screaming that at the screen. Nah, charge the little wight minions. that's more logical.
I know. Was he showing off for Dany?
Alphabetical Disorder he had to clear the wights so the others could fly off, otherwise no one would of been able to escape
It's a moment where Dany can see first hand the nature of Johns character, without regard to his own safety he does what needs to be done to save the others. It's true to his character!
I just found it stupid how Jon kept fighting even when the coast was clear. He had an opportunity to get on the dragon and possibly get out with all three dragons. Instead he continued to "hold them back" or whatever unnecessarily. I suppose they had to figure out how to give the white walkers a dragon, but it could have been done better.
It was a very forced scenario, just like Jaime's cliffhanger two episodes ago. In both of these cases they could've told the story just as well without a manufactured fake out possible death. Jon just as easily could've hopped on Drogon and the only difference would've been no Benjen showing up just to die and Jon wouldn't have been in such bad shape.
subseven I agree although that scene was badass.
I felt like they shouldn't of put Jon so far from Drogon. If he was a bit closer it Wouldn't of looked like he was on some suicide mission.
Yeah, it makes no sense that he was just drifting further and further away. Super forced.
The contrived anger and forced tension between Sansa and Arya is bothersome to the degree that it's unnecessary. Sansa taking extra credit for the BotB was sort of bs. Jon wouldn't have been in the position to loose if the Knights of the Vale weren't hanging back waiting.
The knights of the vale wasn't just hanging back waiting for Jon to lose, they just arrived to the battle at very convinient-, almost deus ex machina like moment.
Sansa saying she won the battle of the bastards is BS, she din't win the battle she made thousands of Jon's soldiers die for nothing. Had she told Jon about the coming army he would of waited for them and maybe prepare an ambush/trap for the boltons.
It's only contrived because it's contrived in-universe. They're putting on a show to embolden Littlefinger to get between them. Watch all these episodes again from when Arya arrives in Winterfell. Notice where they're having their arguments. Notice who is questioning Sansa's leadership. Notice who sees Littlefinger pay off servants. Notice when Sansa sends Brienne away, and how loud she is with an open door.
It annoys us because Arya is acting completely out of character. Littlefinger doesn't know Arya's character, and she's portraying a careless braggart that's challenging Sansa on purpose. Littlefinger buys it. They need him to incriminate himself because "I am a tree and chaos is a ladder" isn't exactly compelling evidence against the de facto Lord of the Vale.
Estri Estrazi Please, think this through, Jon's army and the Knights of the Vale would destroy Ramsey Army in that field No doubt. I know it and you know it and do you know who else would know? Ramsey Bolton. He wouldn't meet them in open battle if they had the numbers and forced them to siege the castle, they wouldn't of had the men for a siege, the resources they would have all ended up dead. It is true that Sands did not single handedly win the battle of the bastards and nor did Jon. They did it together. Without the other they surely would have perished. Without the sacrafices of many men they surely would have perished. Don't argue about who had a bigger role they did it together as Starks, not individuals
I agreed with you up until you said Jon won the battle together with Sansa. Jon did nothing notewrothy in the battle, he didn't even lead, that was mostly Davos.
There's 3 factors that ensured Jon's victory.
1. Sansa Getting the knights of the vale.
2. Davos acting quick and ordering the attack when Jon charges.
3. Wunwun smashing down the gate avoiding a month long siege.
If anything Jon almost lost them the battle, because of his honor.
I expected Rhaegal to be Jon's ticket out of there too. That Uncle Benjen ex-machina moment was totally out of nowhere and only served for him to be killed(?) off again. But hey, whatever polishes Jon's plot armor best I guess. And I hate the tension between Arya and Sansa right now; Arya's character in this entire episode felt exceedingly off. All that aside though I really liked this episode
I thought the Benjen bit was by far the dumbest. “GO! THERE’S NO TIME!” About thirty seconds later the white walkers get there. Come on Benjen, you had ages! It was like some cheesy Hollywood movie, if they wanted his to die couldn’t he have said, “please, I’ve lived too long for this world,” or something crazy like that?
I've rewatched the episode and it's not that bad honestly. A couple things like Benjen and Arya piss me off a little but we'll see how things turn out. Overall, this season has been enjoyable
majorcinamonbun26 if you like bullshit fan service then sure
majorcinamonbun26 I think you are right, there were plot holes but to say it sucked is an overreaction, I enjoyed watching it
As to the Wights dying so easily...The team had dragon glass and a Valyrian sword, both which disspell the magic animating Wights. That's why they had so much trouble with the bear before it was spiked with some dragon glass.
If you watch it again, you'll see the difference from when a normal weapon hits a Wight, doing physical (or fire) damage, but not really taking them down and then when they are struck with Jon's Valyrian blade or dragon glass, they go down in one hit or blow apart in the case of Wights that are mostly just a skeleton.
You wouldn't call this the worst penultimate episode of a season so far?? Lemme remind you what has happened in all the others. Ned lost his head, Battle of the Blackwater, the Red Wedding, the battle at the wall, Shireen's death and Daenerys's showdown in Mereen with her dragons, and The Battle of the Bastards. In other words, without a doubt some of the best episodes of the entire series. This was FAR AND AWAY the weakest penultimate episode and if I'm being honest, one of the worst episodes of the ENTIRE SERIES. This whole season has been like some weird fan fiction. Season 6 was amazing despite no longer going off the books, what the hell happened??
i guess that if you brush aside
- how insanely stupid the whole "lets go get a white for cersei" mission is
- how un-GoT it is to form this kind of super squad for a mission
- the horribly written plot going on at winterfell
- the flat out ridiculous stuff like sending gendry back running to the wall and somehow making it in time to send a crow to daenerys so she can dragon ex machina at the end of the episode
- how one white doesn't die when they kill the walker and every other dead they're fighting explodes
- how the night king is right in front of drogon with everybody on his back but throws his spear to the flying dragon behind them for no reason
- how jon doesn't get on drogon for no reason
- the (horribly executed) uncle benjen ex machina
- how daenerys loses a son but is absolutely fine because her crush she met two weeks ago survived..
then maybe it's not the absolute worst penultimate episode of a GoT season ever,
I think they're trying too hard to drive plot rather than focus on the gritty details of The story as George would have done. It also becomes harder the further away from the books they get because there is so many fine plot details they're skirting around. If you're writing a sequel of an intricate series the further in the future you go the harder it is to imagine where the original author was going.
Well you could perhaps make the argument that it was the weakest of all the penultimate episodes so far in the series -- but not an OBJECTIVELY BAD episode. It's more just speaking to how incredible the others were, I mean anytime you compile a list because you have more than one of something, by definition one of those things is going to be "last/worst".
But also, those that have still gone on all this time (you made this post about a year before my reply here, near the end of March 2019) about how "bad" season 7 has been, the structuring, the pacing, the supposed 'fan servicing'. It just more seems the inevitable, natural progression of the story. We're getting to the end here. More people who were more just smaller side characters are being sifted out, as it were, there's less overall key people and major threads are converging more and more so of course there will be a greater amount of established characters being grouped together. Including ones that had never happened before.
It's the only bad episode imo and this is coming from someone who even liked unbowed unbent unbroken aside from the sand snake fight
I think Arya is acting that way purposely, she is playing the game. I see them working together to kill Littlefinger and use his face to make people think he is bending the knee to the north and the army would be theirs'
To everyone saying; "if you are compliaining about this season, stop watching"
No.
Real Donald Trump people need to learn that criticism isn't hate. I want the show to live up to its potential.
I think people who like the season just get annoyed at all the useless criticism. What's the point it doesn't achieve anything?
Donald you should focused on your presidency and not on a youtube comment section.
"people need to learn that criticism isn't hate. I want the show to live up to its potential."
Yumidori Iro, most of the criticism I've seen is idiotic though. Like, "why not wait for Thoros to turn into a wight, and take him back to Cersei" (as if this were the Walking Dead, where corpses just turn into zombies without being raised).
People need to learn that my criticism of their criticism isn't hate. I just want their criticism to live up to its potential, and not sound like the ramblings of autistic children who're only now watching the show for the first time.
Christopher Manners i'm with u that dumb sht of why they didn't bring someone who recently died is pure sht, because it was already stated that the night king or a WW needs to reanimate it
but what i critisize is the stupid mess of fanservice and comedy sht that feeds the memes on social media instead of the original complicated and unique plot.... if u noticed, since GRRM left them in the beginning of season 5 the complex charachters like littlefinger, varys, tyrion and some others lost their magic, they turned LF from a master schemers in season 1-4 into a creepy stalker who follow sansa and tell her sht instead of acting like he used to do, and varys.... well varys is like bran right now he's totaly useless, and tyrion became so boring and all what he does is throwing jokes
the show turned into generic fantasy of good vs evil and "eagles are coming" and illogical fanservice sht and comedy mess
Blue eyes silver dragon
John Smith loving the yugioh reference
Yasss 😂
Smh... you missed it. Blue eyes wight dragon
I agree with the Nerd. I don't need to see the time travel. I'm liking the faster pace
I think Arya is just playing the game I think shes making a scene as bait for Littlefinger XD
If you think D&D is capable of writing at the level of a GRR Martin, maybe you're overestimating their capabilities or underestimating GRR. I think they are doing a great job for the most part of keeping this train on the rails while not having the source material to pull from.
we all loved this show not for the dragons and direwolves alone but for the dialogues and the schemes....those came from GRR Martin not DD so i definitely agree with you. Tyrion the master of that has disappeared the last couple seasons...varys little finger.... nothing epic...what they are doing well is the dragon stuff and thats all. what we have all liked about this season is the action and just the action.what made game of thrones what it is now its absent
James Robinson my thoughts exactly. Martin would've write amazing dialogue in all the time they are skipping. Like on a boat, great dialogue between Jorah and Jon, but D&D or other writers can't do that, still it's really fun to watch. And I have the feeling that a huge part of the next books are gonna be packed with action. I mean, they have to fight the white walkers at some point right???
Yeah, I saw the quality drop coming, but Jesus I feel like they could've scoured the Reddit forums for better fanfic writers than this. The dialogue is so clunky. Honestly, I don't mind the time skips for travel if that is truly what it is. But if you look at age touchstones like Gilly's baby, or the fact that Gendry ran all the way back to the wall and sent a raven halfway across the continent while they sat surrounded on a frozen lake, it's clear they don't give a damn about internal consistency or sense of time and distance. I just thought that at least one or two of their writing staff would be fans of the novels and bring up these things. And the dialogue is so clunky.
James Robinson I agree, this episode in particular just had some major issues
David Rich The whole group wasn't very far from the wall at all. Gendry took a few hours to get back to the wall, tops, which fits given that the army of the dead was at hardhome 2 full seasons ago. Also, have you seen a map of Westeros before? Dragonstone isn't very far from Eastwatch, or the north in general. I think given that ravens and dragons can fly at a half decent speed, it's highly likely that this whole episode only took 2ish days start to finish
This season is the first half of the Third Act in this story. The Third Act is always faster and focused more on results and action. This season is dispensing with some of the more detailed political and philosophical commentary and themes in favour of spectacle and action. Personally there were expositional and slow parts in every season I could've done without and honestly the stuff that people have called fan service or cheesy has just been fun for me and I've been enjoying every single episode.
Also I'm kind of tired of hearing people (not directing this at Nerd Soup) act as though every success the writers have had has been an extension of GRRM's masterful ability and that GRRM is incapable of writing some stupid stuff. Plenty of changes from the books have improved the story hugely.
Daniel Murphy exactly... The story is different now bc this is the final act...fewer characters, fewer plotlines, more action...and I'm freaking happy about that.
Fanservice makes for shitty storytelling.
Daniel Murphy like Arya and Tywin scenes
Cameron Kill la Kill would like to have a word with you.
I love that you two guys have different opinions and you're not trying to influence each other's opinion, I like hearing mixed interpretations of these episodes.
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They traded a fucking dragon, A FUCKING DRAGON, they risked the life of the king in the north, of Dany, of the only heir to the Baratheons, just to get a FUCKING WIGHT.... and for what? To show it to Cersei who wont give a shit about it anyway and use the time they gave her to set a trap for all of them?
Dumbest plan ever
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Stumbled across this video and really enjoyed your discussion! Well done! I will watch your other videos. And looking forward to your video on the finale!
The problem I've only just realised with this season, and especially this episode, is that everything is very predictable now. The ice dragon and John resurfacing are prime examples of this, it's similar now to problems with Bond films where it's hard to enjoy when you virtually know the outcome.
ThePuk98 lmao yes I was like are these people just here to die? And yes they died lol
ThePuk98 since everything is so predictable to you, can you let us know how the story will end...or even what happens at the dragon pit?
James Blackwater I'm talking about individual scenes, as soon as they start it becomes very clear how they will end. And as for the pit, well I haven't read the books so I don't have a clue what that is.
pity it's not an ice dragon
James Blackwater Cersei will pretend to parlay with Team Dany but betray them. Little finger will die in a stupid way some how. I can feel they are going to do it as the major death this season. The wall will fall to the white walkers. This is my prediction. Note I have not read the leaked script. But I believe Jaimie will go north or next season when Cersei refuses to lend support.
I think Arya knows what Littlefinger is doing and that she's just playing along, and that when the time comes she'll expose him. Hopefully, if not i have no idea what Arya is thinking, it feels way out of character for her to act like this.
Yeah, there's something more to Arya in this conflict. The fact that she gave Sansa the dagger seems to indicate this. Even if Sansa isn't in on it, I think Arya just gave Sansa the means to defend her family the next time it becomes necessary.
My big problem is that Drogon is the only dragon we really know and care about. I wish the other two were more developed so the loss would've hurt more. Obviously we feel it through Dani but it's not the same as losing a dire wolf, it could have been.
Phil Morris read the books
"house glubber will stand behind house stark" - yeah, around 100 miles behind.
I think this is the best episode of the show. Not even the crazy stuff they did. Just the emotional scenes and the meaning behind everything that was happening. It was all just so strong.
BTW Arya is and never was the smartest one. She is the most ruthless, arrogant and tempered one maybe.
I think the bonding was necessary/human and gave a lot of great moments. These men had a more than likely chance that they would die, even if they didn't say it aloud they were aware. With this bonding each man gave a sentence or two epilogue that summarized their character, this plays with a viewers psychology, questioning if that would be their final scene. Also about Arya she is playing everyone! She's playing Little finger and she's playing the viewers! The Bravos actors had a good influence on her, and how she plays the game! She will take little finger by surprise and is testing Sanaa's loyalties to see if she is still a Stark! Don't be surprised if there's some off screen things going on that are revealed later. Arya will kill Little finger with Sansas consent!
Btw great video love you guys!
I love your vids. I wish there were more. I really like your movie reviews. GOT commentary is by far the best. Keep it up and plz do more reviews. Thanks guys.
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*Night King:* [after Jon summons three Dragons] Wait, did you just summon a bunch of monsters in one turn?
*Jon:* Yeah, so?
*Beric Dondarrion:* That's against the rules isn't it?
*Night King:* Screw the rules, I have spears!
So the romance has to happen so Jon has someone he loves to put a sword through to create lightbringer. Betrayal for love?
smallpiper2 😱
What if "thrusting the sword into Nissa Nissa to create Lightbringer" is metaphor for Jon penetrating Dany in some EPIC BOATSEX?
Their product, Lightbringer, could be the one who could end the long night
yeah but wouldn't that take forever? Plus ins't she not supposed to be able to have another child?
Mirri Maz Duur (the witch lady) said that she would never have children again, but she also said that "only death can pay for life". Viserion DID die, and she considers her dragons as her children so maybe Jon and Dany conceive a child on the next episode and a baby is born next season?
Ahh very true. I'm pulling for the sword through the heart thing. I mean i love Dany's character and hope she wins but GRRM is not that nice. Neither is fate.
You guys summed up everything I wanted to say. Thank you for this review!!
The conversations between characters in the long hike north of the wall, those were my favourite parts of the episode. Oh, and the 3 dragons taking off from Dragonstone.
Plot armor is over 9000!!!!
Jon snow be like: Incest is coming
Dom Graf LMAOOOOO.
Love your channel, literally feels like I'm just discussing the show with a couple of friends at home
I never understood why Jon didn't think of calling the Vale himself. After all he, too, was raised on stories of Ned's experiences with Jon Aryn.
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Wait what if airy is conning little finger. It adds up she is the smartest stark. She is an assassin trained to be sneaky she may have let little finger see her but he did not know that he was the one trapped and soon she will take out little finger
RH Gamer exactly my thoughts. All the scenes from arya adds up and this theory really makes sense. First, we see how arya was looking at littlefinger when they 1st met, it's as if she can tell he's a rotten egg inside. 2nd did you see how arya vanished when the guards turn their back for a few seconds? How could a person with that caution would get seen by a normal dude so easily? Unless she was pretending to take the bait and wanted to be seen including unlocking the chamber door. 3rd the final scene where she turns the dagger around to Sansa I think it's a signal for im on your side?
I'm thinking one of 2 things is going to happen 1 arya is going to kill him with some cheesy line or arya is going to get hurt and sansa is going to have to kill him with his own dagger and he will say something epic like johns not your brother or some secret. than there going to fight the knights of the V-ale IDK how to spell it
RH Gamer why not just fucking kill him. Seriously. She doesn't need to involve Sansa at all
kefkapalazzo1 If she doesn't get Littlefinger to show his plan to Sansa and Arya kills him, it would be a violation of guest rite from how I understand it.
Lisa Severance you know if this were the first few seasons I'd totally accept that
The Night King is a Yu-Gi-Oh buff: just got himself a Blue Eyes Wight Dragon
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Don't you think it would be absolutely pathetic that the wall comes down due to Viserion? I mean it WILL probably happen that way but I mean... that means the greatest threat the world has ever seen in its history since the long night was depending on a damn thing that its supposed to be extinct that there are only 3 in the known world and that a lot of things had to coincide perfectly for a dragon to fall on his damn lap while he roams the True North endlessly and without a plan?
Mikhoffee Time lmfao that would be just perfect. ..and then we can have nerdsoup give it a 10 out of 10 because of reasons.
I like watching these guys but this time I think they are not considering all the horrible plotholes nor will consider them for the finale.
I dont know about him not having a plan... these guys had spears ready... they didnt look like they cared about throwing it at Jon almost like they had another reason to use them. Maybe the Night King got a vision where he can see parts of the future... he knew the dragons would come.
The Night King is a greenseer though isn't he?
Well he would be invincible, he is OP as it is I mean, he can revive anything, can throw a spear from the top of the wall to kings landing in a straight line, his weapons pierce even dragon flesh without effort, has now a dragon that will either spit fire or ice, if it spits fire he will have tamed ice AND fire... I mean and they said Rey from Star Wars was freaking OP this guy is the most Gary Stu bad guy there is and now he can also see tthe future and predict everything that happens? I mean why even bother then? There is no way to defeat him unless superman comes out of fucking nowhere and even then probably the guy would have ice made out of kryptonite or some thing like that. It's ridiculous.
I understand the need to have characters alive for the end of the show, and I understand that there needs to be some danger in order to keep the audience engaged, but this entire storyline made no sense. My complaint is not that they didn't kill enough characters, but the entire mission seemed to come out of a fairy tale from the start.
First of all the mission should have failed, and despite the fact that he "knows nothing" I'm sure Jon realizes this. If this was a last ditch attempt to save Westeros like Jon trying to kill Mance in season 4 I would understand, but there were so many ways for Jon to do this better (like just asking Dany, hey come North and see something, not a perfect plan but better than what we got). This is the fourth time in four seasons that Jon should have died at the end of a season. I liked the first two but this isn't even suspenseful any more. Why can't he just come up with a good plan?
Jon did come up with a plan at Hardhome and that I think we can all agree was a better episode. Did the plan work perfectly? No. But it was a calculated risk while this was simply jumping in front of a gun hoping it will jam. I don't hate D&D, but I wish they would write more of a Hardhome style plot that actually MAKES SENSE
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loved the walk and talk, was really well done and we get to get caught up with and see the relationships and character development.
That shit about the vindicators at the end hahaha
GoT has become a medieval Walking Dead in every way, and that's not a good thing...
Not sure if you were referring to the panning landscape shots or the dialogue between characters (at 1:24 ish) but I loved those scenes!! The landscape was so beautiful, and the lighting was stunning! I can only imagine how short the window was to film in that sunrise/sunset timeframe, but I thought it was stunning.
love your channel. thanks for the reviews
this season felt like a fan fiction more than the classic GRRM style writing..... oh well
Maybe because GRRM never finished the last two books so the writers have to make up shit as they go from now on?
GRRM stated that Jon and Dany where supposed to hook up. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's fanfiction.
MinscS2 We all know that GRRM loves him some incest
The Un Und Unly You want Jon to die this season itself dumass????
Judessin True That
All these comments complaining about the season, I've enjoyed this season a lot. When people complain about the lack of politics II just think that this is the natural development of the show, the entire show has been building up to these moments. Also the plot armour point, game of thrones was known for killing main characters, but the series is ending soon, you can't kill the main every main character before the last season. It's not even criticism it's just 'the books are so much better this is shit', like reading a book makes you better than people that watch the show.
Been waiting for Nerd Soup to review the episode forever.
Jon Snow, The Hound, Tormond and ensign Ricky.
"oh crap."
Yeah, I'm not on board with Jon and Dany either. And I don't even care that they're related. I think my distaste comes more from how their relationship has been handled in the show. The lack of chemistry, campy dialogue and action, and wasting precious minutes staring into the depths of each other's eyes just isn't effective enough to convince me that they're relationship matters.
I loved the episode a lot, it had both positive and negative moments... the final episode could save the season. One thing I will say is I really hope nothing sexual happens between Dany and Jon, everyone keeps going on about it but it just wouldn't sit right with me. Not just because they are related, but because it would be too cliche. And the cliche count is already too high this season!
SB 50cal Sorry Bro..."Spoiler alert"
Daenerys and Jon will have sex on the boat heading back to Dragonstone. :( I'm so sorry...
I Hope it Will.
It is SUPER cliche and I really hate two characters committing incest unknowingly. Having Ice and Fire get married is a "Disney princess" level of cheesiness that I didn't think Game of Thrones was capable of. "I didn't like Daario much at all but if he magically came back and distracted Dany long enough for Bran to tell Jon about his mother I would not complain! It'll never happen sadly. Shame cause to me it's a better story to have an an admiration/courtly love kind of thing going on without sex. Lot's more tension, will they/they won't, etc. Plus if the Northerners find out he bent the knee AND started sleeping with the enemy it's gonna be "Queen Sansa" all the way.
SB 50cal -What's with all the ppl being a buzzkill about their romance? Particularly because their family has a history of passionate romances, it should be expected. They're some of the loneliest characters in the series, God forbid they find love.
SB 50cal it won't happen... You know how nothing is accidental in the show? When daavos teases Jon about checking out danys "heart" Jon says "there's no time for that.... I think that's a little inside joke from the writer's desk
Euron could also be the third rider, if he obtains, or is already secretly in possession of the horn, Dragonbinder, and uses it to take the ice dragon from the Night King. I would say that this isn't likely so far in the series, except for the fact that it's a great call back to the drowned god prophecy that was just mentioned by the Maesters. Viserion going underwater is the biggest hint for that.
I think the slow parts were used to showcase the location. Idk if you watched this episode on the big screen, but it was stunningly beautiful!
I think you guys might of missed them fighting with dragon glass, that's why the wights went down so much easier. At the start of the battle the hound smashed in the head of that wight with that huge Warhammer and it kept coming so he threw down the Warhammer and picked up a couple dragon glass knives instead.
Dragonglass shouldn't affect wights, though. It shatters easily, and leaves no lasting effects, or at least it didn't, until this episode came through and ruined all continuity.
I'd never heard of dragon glass affecting wights before this ep. I checked the wikia, and it says that dragon glass affects wights in the same way it does WWs, but I can not for the life of me, think of a scene that explains this. It would've been a big talking point too, since it's been established for a long time, that dragon glass can't hurt wights.
It hasn't been established in the show, though? I would assume dragonglass doesn't affect the Wights per se, but disrubts the magic connecting the WW's will to the wights.
@@Zenene-ok5el the only time dragonglass was used against a wight it failed because it had chainmail on and the glass shattered, but when Jon is giving his demonstration in the dragonpit to cersei he states Valyrian steel dragonglass or fire is how you stop wights permanently, then he stabs it with dragonglass to kill it after the hound hacks it up to prove its really undead
Not even gonna lie daenerys should not have burnt any of those she beat in battle because they didn't know her, it was the same point Jon made when he said "no offense but I don't know you your grace" and now that Jon has truly gotten to know her then he decidedthat she was worth bending the knee for. If she didn't make burning them alive an option and kept them all as prisoner then she would have been able to inspire hope in those she took prisoner that she could be the queen they genuinely wish to serve rather than be the queen out of fear induced by dragons.
As always, you guys were totally spot on about everything regarding this episode. Not the strongest episode this season, but it had it's moments. And you're right, it's very clear that the writers are floundering a little now that they're on their own writing-wise, but it will probably come down to the same outcome regardless of the path taken. Love these reviews!
Arya, Sansa, and Bran are putting on a show for Littlefinger. They likely planned this at the weirwood tree. They know LF is paying off the servants, so all their disagreements are out in public or loudly in rooms with open doors. Arya does this showoff demonstration fight with Brienne and Sansa happens to stroll over with Littlefinger. Then Yohn Royce (who hates LF and wants him gone from the Vale) openly questions Sansa's authority, and Arya has a big argument with Sansa about it. Arya tails LF super obviously out in the open, hiding only from his direct gaze (but not the paid off servants). She goes to LF's room before checking to see if he's really gone. LF suggests getting Brienne involved and suddenly a raven arrives with an invitation from Cersei. Sansa has a loud argument with Brienne (again in a room with an open door), then *burns the invitation*.
They can't attack LF directly just based on Bran's greenseer knowledge, as he's basically the Lord of the Vale. They are playing him to get a confession or open evidence of treason. Turning Littlefinger's tricks back on himself, and finally defeating the man whose scheming killed half their family and drove them from their home. I highly doubt Littlefinger survives to season 8, he's a character whose arc has nowhere to go. This story has stopped being a game of thrones and there's really just room for a song of ice and fire.
Olympic Spear throwing- Gold Medal goes to *drumroll* The Night King! The Crowd cheers
I like every moment of this episode, damn that dragon being slained was tragic
It was excellent. I like the Night King over the dragons.
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1. Ravens could probably make the trip from Eastwatch to Dragonstone overnight
2. They were fighting with Dragonglass weapons so the wights were going down pretty easily but I do think 1 or 2 more people should have gone down
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@nerdsoup Guys arya was playing the game of faces with sansa in the last scene. She was lying everytime she said something about herself. She wasnt bring aggressive she was seeing if sansa was onto her. Once she realized Sansa couldnt play the game she knew Sansa needed the knife.
I really hope Arya is trying to bait littlefinger. It just feels way to played up. And where the hell is bran when all this bs is going on.
I think that the knight king set that as a trap. The whole thing. Killing a dragon, getting one over the wall, placing the men. It was all a trap he planned.
I do believe the Stark siblings are working together. I also believe they will kill LF next week, use his face to control the Vale... but that's just me.
It took about five days for word to get to Dany and for her to get back to them. Which is about how long it would take for the ice to freeze enough to support the army of wights.
Regarding Gendry, The Raven, and the timing of it all, it makes sense. I'm going to assume since they were looking for a lone White that they were not going in a straight line from East watch, they were probably going back and forth in a zigzag (rip rickon) so Gendry running at full speed back to the wall, let's say that took about four hours.
The trip from Castle Black to Winterfell is about 600 miles (a little farther from East watch), a raven going full speed (28mph) could probably make that trip in a little over a day.
From Winterfell to King's Landing is about a thousand miles according to Cersei in S5E6, so it would be about the same maybe a little more from Winterfell to Dragonstone. So let's say it takes the raven four days to get to Dragonstone.
Dragons on the other hand, I couldn't find much info about how fast they can go. So for the sake of argument let's say they top out with a rider at about 175 mph.
So that's about a 12-hour flight straight to Snow Team 6. So the overall time it takes Danny to get to Jon, is about 5 days. This makes sense considering that they had to wait for the ice to freeze over the lake again.
Considering that the ice had to support a huge hoard of wights, the ice would have to be around 8 inches thick. Assuming an average temperature of 10 °F (they're not that far north) the ice would be growing at 1.5 inches per day. This works out to 7.5 inches of ice. Guys, the math works out.
The night king knew about the dragons because he has green sight, like bran. That's why he knows when bran is watching him.
And the spear had a sort of like negating affect on the dragon. It was as if the night king's magic cold is so cold that it actually kills heat. If you look back at the moment the night king walks through the fire. The fire doesn't go out it moves away from him.
Guys, I recently rewatched season 1 and the tension between Arya and Sansa was evident from the start. Sansa Made it very clear that she wanted to be a Lady/Queen and Joffrey was her ticket. She sided with Him against Arya during the incident with the Wolves So it is perfectly logical for Arya to assume that Sansa made a deal or some how capitulated to the Lanesters' in order to get her dream of being a queen to Joffrey. Remember, WE as the audience know the Hell Sansa went through to get where she is now, Arya doesn't. Last time she saw Sansa she was standing there watching their Father being humiliated and killed while STILL betrothed to the kid who killed him. Now she's the Lady of Winterfel? I can't blame Arya for being a LITTLE suspicious of how this all happened.
There are now a lot of people that do this, reviewing GoT, and a lot that really suck but you all are top 5. But I don't think you all got the Sansa and Arya thing right. I think a lot of people are missing that and will be surprised when that arc concludes. Although Sansa has had a tough life, even if she's my sister, I wouldn't automatically trust her given the last time they saw each other and how she acted. Even with all that, I still think Arya is not fully against Sansa, I think she's playing the game. PS, I've never liked Sansa lol.
Nerd Soup When Berric talks to Jon, he tells him that he doesn't look anything like his father and that he takes after his mom. Which would suggest that Berric knows about Lyanna and Rhaegaer. The question is why Jon didn't pick on that "strange" referance to Ned.
The beginning was the best part! We needed all of those conversations!
The plan was shit! Get a wight and bring to Cersei? Did we need that polar bear scene? No one in the group died? The point of keeping BenJen alive all these years?? The writers clearly don't know what to do with the story without George. Period.
The plan was shit. Just an excuse to cause drama. The field battle was way way better. We already know other things can be turned into wights b/c we saw the giants in the first episode. Tormond surviving a bunch of them on him (but that lady was killed at Hardhome..same situ). Benjen can't pass the wall so fine with that. Just felt like 'lets please all the casual watchers' and not people like us the superfans!
Ms. Mormont also wouldn't it be a better plan to just kill cercsi and jamie when tyrion got into kings landing and just whistle for Dany and her dragons and take over? Weak writing
WOW.. I love the show and that's why I have such high expectations. Season 1, 2 and 3 were the best it ever was or will be as far as writing and story structure is concerned. But like I said the field battle was amazing and I enjoyed that. This season, first 4 episodes were very strong actually. But you have to admit, once they lost the true source, they've have made some weird decisions in season 5/6. Yes Miss Kitty, they could have easily taken Cersei out by now. We don't need her. We have Euron as a great villain. After that epic entrance...I'm all about him as the new villain. And thanks Freddie, what a good analogy. D&D went from Ferrari to a bicycle!
I will not stop watching. After all of these years, I will see it through. And just because some of us critique it honestly doesn't mean we need to be called names. Thats what these forums are for anyway.
Maybe the finale will surprise us! Lets wait and see!!
Ms. Mormont Did you read the books? Coldhands saved Bran and Samwell Tarly in the books. In the show, Sam wasn’t saved by Coldhands, but Bran was. The writers decided not to do a character we never knew (from the Samwell Tarly part), but a character we do know (Benjen).
Thoros was injured by the polar bear, which lead to his death.
The plan was shit. The characters admitted it, they thought they could get in and get out easily.
The plan was shit from the get go. The way Dany arrived there so fast mean she could just have swooped out there on a Dragon and back in 10 (show) minutes.
The zombie bears were there because show runners wanted a bear since they learned animals turn zombies too.
GoT has definitely lost its edge, and is playing out like a Hollywood blockbuster... gone are the days of shock, horror, intensity, and increased heart rates, now its pretty linear and predictable. I remember wanting nothing more than the Viper to destroy the mountain, or waiting literally years to see Ramsay get justice... these moments were intense and shocking/satisfying. I dont think we will be seeing that anymore, but with only one season to go, its not necessarily a bad thing because its been a pretty dark road, its just sad to see it all fizzle out and flat line before the end of what has been the most amazing television show ever.
Totally agree about the show/book comment. You can really tell this season that they don't have the book material to fall back on. I'm not saying I don't like it, but it does feel like a bit of a different show.
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That moment when your side-dragon decides to join the fuckboy
"We are about to die ... quick, Gendry, run back to the wall, send a raven to Dany and get her to save us with her dragons ... even though we might all be dead in 5 minutes" Makes no sense.
shanecle its a fucking fantasy show about dragons and evil beings raising the dead. Complain some more
Patty Lumpkins Do you throw all logic out the window because it's a fantasy? Fucking idiot.
shanecle What should they have done? I guess the point was that, should they all die, Dany needs to know what happened here.
They never planned to instantly be killed lol, they figured that if they had two options: They could all get wiped out, they would make one last ditch effort by contacting the best help they know so not all of them would have to die potentially. Who tf said they'd be dead in 5 minutes if they havent even seen the army they were facing yet. Quit being pretentious
I don't understand the geography of the thing. The whole trip there is filled with long dialogue and wide shots to show how far they're traveling. They had to have been out for most of the day at the very least, but Gendry can sustain a sprint for every one of those miles and makes it back to the wall before dark? I've long since accepted that the ravens are practically instantaneous, but those dragons must have topped around mach 2 to get back to John & Co in time.
Ok two points to what you pointed out in this show.
1) Arya and Sansa. Arya looked like she was testing Sansa forcing a confrontation so she could see how deep she was in with Littlefinger. She doesn't trust Littlefinger and knows Sansa is working with him but wants to know where her loyalties lie. Its why she wanted to question her and then tell if she is lying and why she gave the dagger to Sansa even after she told her she could cut her face and replace for in the North. She wants to shake Sansa and force the real Sansa out.
2) The end battle where the 7 heroes were killing the wights. The reason why they died so easy is because most of them were using Dragonglass. You notice when The Hound uses the hammer and needs to hit the wight he threw the rock at 3 times to finally end him. He smashed him sideways and then on the head and broke the ice to sink it under the lake. Wights are very tough to kill. Even with the fire, the wights took time to die, they don't die easy even to fire. But Dragonglass kills them instantly. The Polar Bear, Jorah finally killed it by sinking a Dragonglass dagger in its skull even though it was burning up. It died instantly to the Dragonglass Dagger. And the Hound ended up dropping the Gendry's Hammer and pulled out Dragonglass daggers. A clear illustration that normal weapons do not kill Wights. Every time a wight gets stabbed or smashed by the Dragonglass hammer of Tormond, they died instantly.
Arya grabbing little fingers dagger was foreshadowing that arya wanted sansa to think about who gave her the dagger and "why"