Game of Thrones | Season 8 Episode 3 'The Long Night' Review
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Sam's plot armor came from Jeor Mormont. "Tarly I forbid you to die"
Who would've known Joer was a fucking wizard with super effective spells
Samwell Tarly, Slayer of White Walker and Thenn, Forbidden to Die.
I accept this.
Turns out, tears are a man's best weapon against the dead since that's when we last saw Sam. Sorry, Sam lol
Jeor’s orders are ABSOLUTE. His death doesn’t negate that order!
How in the bloody 7 Kingdoms of Westeros did Samwell Tarly survive?
Him and Davos. Neither did anything. Well Sam got Ed killed, but that's about it.
Okay, I know I'm mad about one of the big five not dying but yeah Sam should have at least been goners.
plot armor
knowledge
Jon Greyworm Jamie and Brianne should have died also
They didn't build a 300 mile long, 700 foot high ice Wall to protect against Cersei frickin Lannister
Fucking good point.
I hope this can be rectified in 2187 when the final book comes out.
best argument , ever
The wall was build to protect the nk from cersei xd
Exactly. Episode one scene one, the White walkers are pushed first and foremost before you even meet any of the actual characters of the show. At this point Cersei wasn't even a villain. This series is a joke and once everyone sees the last three episodes, then they will realise it.
"They didnt sacrifice realism for spectacle"
*looks at the God awful strategy design specifically to result in pretty cinematography* right
Yea, the dothraki charge was awesome to see, but nothing any military general would ever do. Especially if the enemy is undead zombies, that have no problem with being trampled down by a horse.
@@bobysze yeah. Which to explain I'm ok with unrealistic battle strategies if they have a cool enough pay off, but GoT has always been about realism. So this really feels incongruous with the rest of the show and books
@@thatonestormtrooper2760 Oh sure, it doesn't always have to be realistic. But explaining the darkness with realism, when most of the battle was just done for cool shots is a bit cheap.
In my opinion GoT likes battles in the dark, because it's a lot cheaper. You don't need as many extras, not as much CGI and it still seems like a huge battle.
They have a big budget, but 15 million is still nothing compared to a movie. And if you look at how much the actors cost, the tier A ones (which includes Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, the actor for Jaime!) get halve a million an episode each, then you have to save somewhere.
What irks me more, is that they need to show dragons in every episode, but Ghost is now only a biggish dog with very little screen time. But that's a different topic...
@@bobysze oh yeah I dont blame them for filming at night. They could have tried to do a bit of a better job in at least making it visible but I understand the unfortunate reality of television
@@bobysze even worse when you realize without Melisandre they were going to charge like that with weapons that have zero effect on the enemy. Charge them with iron/steel, we know it will absolutely not kill them.
New words of House Stark: Winter is fine, no worries.
LOL yep pretty much. Winter is meh.
Or maybe summer is here!
Winter is Overrated
Winter is a little chilly for a couple hours, pack a blanket
your comment is perfect
I think we have to come to terms with the fact that Bran isn't special he is just a handicapped socially awkward millennial kid who plays angry birds during important life events.
OMG I'm laughing so hard right now!
Dustin H
He decided the great war by giving arya the dagger in season 7 which killed the night king
Thank you Dustin, you made it all worthwhile
Now I kinda feel okay about this, thank you.
From what I hear of D&D with pranks, and what I see from what they've done with this masterpiece, this is way way more plausible than any fan theory about anything lol
I was legit waiting for this all day
Sindri Snær Sigurðsson honestly as excited for this as the actual episode lol
Same. It’s such a controversial episode, and it’s good to get their take on it.
Same
Me too haha. I really wanted to hear their thoughts in detail
@@THE3FATGUYS
How's it controversial?
First time ive completely disagreed with you guys. Really felt you guys were reaching to cover so many poor decisions in this episode. Smart characters make stupid choices. Jorah died to a few whites while brienne and Jamie are surrounded by hundreds and nothing. It's missing so much. It's embarrassing, d&d really let the fans down.
Yeah literally took the words outta my mouth here, seems out of character for these guys to cover up this much BS. D&D certainly let the fans down as well, Im not sure why any 'non-casual' fan would be okay with how the show did the 'ole bait and switch with the Night King. (Also how dumb the tactics were as well, but sad to say I expected that)
Highest rated episode since Red Wedding btw. Guess they only let down you. Who wanted a generic evil monster bad guy in a world you fuckin fools praised for it's realism. Learn how to shut the fuck up it might save you some dignity.
The night king wasn’t a generic evil monster. Even though they were never explained properly in the show, all of his actions were perfectly justifiable.
Nerd soup made a video about it in fact about a year ago titled “what does the night king want.”
I guess people are just upset how 9 years of buildup all ended in a cheap move from Arya.
@@cleopop7609 I'd say within the shows version of GoT he was, the children made him and bran explained that he just wanted the death of the world. So yes you are right in that there is more to his story; he was made to kill man to win the war against the first men. I'm happy regarding his backstory and the episode a real good one but the payoff underwhelming (maybe due to the amount of theory videos I've watched with way cooler explanations as to why the NK did what he did)
@@cleopop7609 Agreed.
“Winter is coming”
*seven seasons later*
“Winter is here”
*one stab with a dagger*
“Aaaaand it’s gone”
Are you sure it's over?
MrTw2009 what else are you expecting?
@@NiraSader the season isn't over.
but they’re gonna focus on Cirsei and Euron as the main villains from now on, with only three episodes left what kind of epic twists do you think they would pull?
@@NiraSader I don't want to say anything because it will sound crazy, but I just don't buy that we have seen the last of the white walker threat. I could be totally wrong.
I think the GOT writers forgot:
- Tyrion is supposed to be smart.
- Daenerys is magic.
- Arya can change faces.
- Bran can see the past, and warg into cooler things than birds.
- Dire wolves are awesome.
- The other white walkers can fight people.
- And Main characters can die.
The last one is important. You should add all the prophecies and all that snizzle...
Totally agree.. They forgot the essence of GOT
Thats what happens when they dont have to follow the books for the last season. All this shit is no longer canon, and is going to turn into cookie cutter bullshit.
They forgot to tie in any meaning at all.
good points
Sam literally was under a pile of wights yet he survived
All this time we just thought Sam was fat. Turns out he is wearing more layers of plot armor than anyone.
MikeJr TheThird there was also a scene where greyworm seemed to be overwhelmed / swarmed, but when it cut back to him, he was somewhere else and fine.
They did that with almost every main character at some point.
reminded me of the bullshit kirkman pulled with glenn under the dumpster in walking dead.
Yeah that one was indefensible esp when Jon leisurely leaves him in the dog pile like you got this Sam the slayer
three freaking times I was so freaking disappointed!!! Keeping all of Tyrion, Sam, Bran, amd Davos, makea no sense
“It was always a conflict between humans” The first scene of the entire show is about the conflict between humans and the White Walkers.
Thank you
Plus the writers spent the last two seasons pointing out how the political struggle of Westeros paled in comparison to the *real* world ending threat, that of the NK and the army of the dead . Now they did a complete 180...
I'm not defending this episode because it was terrible. But GRR Martin has said that the ultimate goal of writing in his opinion is the human heart in conflict with itself. He also said there will be war but it will end with a whimper instead of a roar. I think D&D got the main points but the majorly F-D it up with the details.
It's called A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. A Game of Thrones is the name of the first book. The central theme of the series is how these petty fights for who gets to sit on the Iron Throne are meaningless and there's something more important and unstoppable that requires everyone to unite to fight to the death. Did these people even read the books? If they did, they probably understood them like the showrunners.
Shiii this is my third comment to get over a hundred like on this video
Nerd Soup is clearly in the first stage of grief: denial.
😂😂 I must have skipped that step, but I'm definitely feeling some major grief over GOT.
It's either that or they were that stupid from the very beginning.
@@adimazga Just because people don't feel the same way you do about a bloody tv episode doesn't make them stupid lol. It just strikes me as bratty when people whinge about not getting what they wanted, and declaring those who don't agree with you as stupid
@@horsepuncher95 So getting served shit when you ordered caviar, and complaining about it makes you a brat?
Calvo Tama Don’t be naive, anyone with a brain who watches this episode would notice that it’s complete trash. If you think otherwise you’re in denial it’s a simple as that, that’s not to say there aren’t great moments - because there are, but they do not offset the obvious errors in the episode which affects it from being a good episode.
Apparently the spirals the NK and the children of the forest made, represented everyone’s theory’s and expectations going down the drain.
WORD... sadly .. lol
This comment is highly underrated.
Scott.W 😂😂😂😂
Expectations? Nah. I loved it. It met the hype. It was always about the battle between people in the end.
Casual⬆️⬆️⬆️
Season 7: there is only one war that matters,the Great War. And it is here
Season 8: JK
Almost as though people are flawed. Unfortunately we just don't have fantasy literature which plays on this... Oh wait.
"great war" it was literally a 2 hour battle fuck this show
GoT is about politics and who could be the best ruler of the seven kingdoms, not about fighting some one dimensional Big Baddie
@@c.a1019 I think the show has actually always been about people so obsessed over power that they refused to see the real threat. I sort of feel like making the Night King this one dimensional Big Baddie is pretty dissapointing for a show full of characters with complicated motivations.
@@TiJacQc18 Same, thats why the Night King arc is over now and the real fight begins
You wanna talk about realism? They charged their Calvary into the pitch black 😂😂
Well... up until then it was established that nothing could match a Dothraki charge in an open field. Not that I don't think it's a stupid tactic. Would have been smarter to clean up behind lines of dug in and shielded off Unsullied.
But if you want to bait out the NK's dragon and you're thinking the Dothraki can deal with a wave of undead at least for some time, I'm kiiiinda ok with accepting it as a cinematic device.
at least Leroy got his chicken.
If they were going for realism, none of the defenders would have been positioned outside the walls. Somebody on the war council should have had sense enough to suggest the Dothraki be stationed atop the walls and armed with bows. I thought it was a nice touch with the flames slowly going out tho.
Everything about their plan made no sense. Why put the ditch as the last line of defence? Put it in the fucking front and make it as wide as possible. Make it impassable so that the undead have no option but to funnel through a narrow section guarded by all the unsullied (remember that movie 300?)
Hide the dothraki somewhere and have them surprise flank the undead instead of sending them head on and ALONE right off the bat.
I swear I was losing brain cells while watching this episode.
@@michaelwong6050 same!!!
Walder Frey killed more main characters than The Night King
Jack Yes, because that furthered the story. If the NK killing main characters would have pushed the story forward, then more characters would be dead right now.
Just like Oberyn died unceremoniously and with grand potential, so did the army of the dead. Bad guys aren’t immune to shock porn either, even if it feels more unorthodox when the good guys are the recievers.
Even villians lose quickly in this show. Deal with it.
Ed Sheeran got more backstory than night king
Måns Rydberg wow
CGCentral HD What do you mean? We did get the Night King’s backstory. He’s an A.I. that was programmed to kill humanity and restore nature’s balance, but went rogue and started ending all life when the Children of the forest lost control of them.
The White Walkers were an intelligent biological weapon. That’s all the backstory there is. Don’t like it? Tough, that’s your loss and your problem. The show, and the books, owe you nothing.
@@m0zric ok GoT fanboy keep accepting shit. You'll realise it was probably worth criticising instead of defending every shitty decision. I swear Jamie could turn into superman and you would defend it
8 seasons was about "The only war is the one for the living, the rest is squabbling". Well, it's back to the squabbling.
Fanboys went from "Politics don't matter anymore the night is here!" to "Lol it was always about the political human drama all along!" real fucking quick.
would u prefer they all die? i didnt mind how it played out, couldve been worse thi
@@billqiu4692 That is too fucking funny, I hadn't even considered that.
What a great way to sell this series ha
It’s like greed can piss on anything just for a bit more money
The screen is dark and the script is full of errors
Underrated comment!
Ayoub KAMALI For the show is dark, and full of errors **
Lmao great job
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol
"They didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle?" DID WE WATCH THE SAME EPISODE LOL
Yep exactly.
Yeahhh, actually said out loud 'What the FUCK are you TALKING ABOUT' when I heard that.
Exactly!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews!
The Man of the Reversed Cross you all ask for too much. Enjoy the entertainment given to you, it’s hard to execute a tv show with movie quality.
I actually understand where they are coming from. In many ways I thought that most individual moments felt gritty and realistic in the context of a fantasy world. It was the writing decisions, not the way it was filmed, which felt ridiculous.
When GRRM is catching up with the books and gets to this fight, the chapter is gonna be printed black on slightly lighter black
*IF
i liked that it was dark, but i loove this comment
best way of putting it
The guy is 70 and it's been 8 years since his last book, and there are two more... I hate to say it, but it's possible Game of Thrones is the only ending we're going to get.
@@peterbabicki8252 The lord of light will bring him back. He has a purpose to fulfill.
"It makes sense guys, the red women said that one line that one time in that one season"
Vs
7 seasons of Jon's arc in the north.
Then they had the balls to tell that she said that to Arya years before they planned on her killing the nk lol
@@suzukisixk7 apoarently those bastards decided it back then which to me just makes it even worse
That prophecy is so vague it can apply to anyone, and people pretend like this is some sort of super clever foreshadowing, what a joke.
Jon's arc was up to this point was to unite mankind against the army of the dead, which he did. And if he didn't Arya, Bran, Mel, etc would never had been in a position to stop the long night before it started.
@@zachpulido5972 yes, Ive thought "blue eyes" were LF since the convo in season 3
I think the reason everyone, me included, wants more death lately is because they keep faking us out. They put major characters in situations where there is no way they could live, and then save them. It leaves us yelling "bullshit, they should be dead" about our favourite characters. They needed to just tone it down with the fake suspense.
Agreed. And they've been sacrificing realism for a surprise factor. But is surprise really that impressive if, while surprised, you keep thinking "c'mon, this is so convenient, this could never have happened"...
Exactly. Look at Glen and the dumpster in Walking Dead for the prime example of plot twisted to serve false danger. To see GoT reduced to that boils my blood.
Only retards would kill half the cast before the end...
@@Lugrer3113
But wasn't that the whole appeal of the show? That everyone could die at any moment?
@@Pumbear That's a layman's point.
Death dosent mean anything if they just kill characters for the sake of killing them with no strong purpose to their death.
The story is more important then the fan kill count.
They didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle? What? It seems you watched something else, was sam swiming through wights and surving realistic, or the way the other characters were thrown into inescapeable situations, but the camera cuts out and they are still alive realistic?
Bossu Hotilor I think they were talking more about the way it filmed visually rather than the plot - dark, frantic, confusing etc.
Bossu Hotilor I agree. Sam should’ve either died or stayed his chunky, lovable ass in the crypts.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Ghost was CLEARLY not written into this season, and just slapped into scenes where no one acknowledges he is even there. He is a legit ghost.
THANK YOU! It seems so obvious that Ghost was just half-assedly edited into random scenes post writing and filming to try to keep the direwolf fans from complaining.
Androwyah right? They just put the wolves on the way-side. I still am pulling for ghost to be alive
They also forgot about the Knights of the Vale which are no where to be found...
Ghost is alive, he's in the episode 4 preview standing with everyone in front of Winterfell.
@@cj3ogrady He is alive. See episode 4 trailer and watch closely.
Nerd soup: “if ghost died like that, it would be disappointing “
Night king: am I a joke to you
Yes, the night king was apparently a joke to D&D
What are you talking about? the way the guy that was set to be the biggest threat of the show was shank like a prison bitch was EPIC!!!
@@rodzila8314 good writing and build up>epic moments
Arya Stark with the longest broad jump in history... Even Maisie Williams (a pretty damn good actor all things considered it) claimed to dislike the way it was done
@@Miller09095 Where?
More main characters died in season 2 then in the biggest most hyped battle of the entire series
thats a full season and this is one episode. correct me if im wrong but it had the most main character deaths of any 1 episode
and if you consider how many ppl actually died it would be 100 times more than every death in the series
@@mrbones-pd8kpThis is at the end of the series where all our main characters have been introduced. I enjoyed the episode but after reading the books and seeing the earlier battles in the series The Great War" which is shrouded in prophecy is a tad underwhelming in terms of how main characters survived. Yeah thousands of soldiers died but we're not invested in them. So now we're gonna get like two episodes dedicated around the war against Cersei? Just saying the white walkers were dealt with pretty quickly considering
@@aidankuntz took the words right outta my mouth
That was the twist
over the past 3 seasons they have been saying it doesn't matter who sits on the iron throne that the dead are the true enemy and now its about people squabbling over a throne
thats why its called game of thrones
@@domigames2041 based off a song of ICE AND FIRE. It's about how the game of thrones is petty and the north is the true danger
@@tebo9334 Its based off song of ice and fire. but a tv show is its own thing. So that does not mean it has to have the same main threat.
@@domigames2041 fine. But what was the point of the white walkers then? The game of thrones was constantly shown as a distraction with the night king being the real threat.
@@tebo9334the point was the majority of fans of hbo’s series a game of thrones were entertained, surprised, heartbroken by deaths, and full of joy for those that survived.
Argue finer points and empty storylines from the book, and cry out “what ifs” from the direction you wanted the story to take. At the end of the day, the loud minority took to social media calling out for rewrites and redo’s! The quiet majority enjoyed the series for what it was and had a great time investing 10 years of their lives into a television series. Good day to you sir, may you find enjoyment in entertainment media and rid yourself of the hate you carry.
Night King: Am i a joke to you
HBO: Yes you are
This is the one series where they should've gone slow and added another season, this is so damned rushed it's gonna end up messing up all of GoT
Well being that this series is fictional I guess its all a joke lol.
@@FunkMastaMegaFlex Casual
He's basically GoT's Snoke
@@twitched4049 Not really, I lost faith in the show during season 6. I'm more jealous of people like you. I wish I was so easily entertained. Like you know how you can entertain a baby by just jingling keys in front of it's face? You remind me of that
they didn't sacrifice realism for cinematic? lmao.
These two are just as stupid as dumb and dumber the producers!!!
Yeah, these two must be high on all the smell of their concentrated bullshit on that quote alone. There's not one realistic thing about this episode and every realistic choice is sacrificed for cinematic moments like the Dothraki charging and dying.
@jon snow he did charge stupid😂 he ran at him with a spear like he was on horseback with a lance. Theon didn't even try, it was stupid. The whole fucking episode sucked. No consequences and they threw 8 seasons of buildup out the window!
I stopped watching right at that quote
@@alaskanchristian4881 Jesus christ why are you guys watching them if yoh despise them so much? How dare people have opinions that aren't yours amirite
I was fucking excited during the whole time, my heart was beating fast and I screamed a lot lol I was very pleased when the episode ended.
But then I went to bed. And lying there I noticed that it actually kinda sucked. The more I think about it, the more flaws and inconsistencies I find, not to mention it completely destroyed all my small theories.
This was like exactly what i did too
Same but I just feel that George would never end things like that ( the white walkers are a species for starters). This was good TV, it was not good game of thrones.
@@telamere2043 I was thinking about that. I'll wait for the books because I really believe it's going to end differently, this could be the author's way of ensuring people will read it, probably (I mean giving the show a different ending than what he has planned for his books). Even if Arya kill him in the books as well I still believe it will be done much better.
I agree it was 45 minutes of heart pounding suspense but then you sit down and realize you waited 8 seasons for the night king to go out with a whimper? The white walkers are one dimensional beings with no depth or complexity whatsoever? Bran is completely useless and his entire time with the three-eyed-raven was to be a history major? Any one of these small theories that I've seen would've been 10x more interesting than season 7 and 8 combined.
I still dont understand how she killed NK... I hope a different ending of NK in the books. That jump out of nowhere is just unreal, even for a TV show. :)
Way too much show love, all the story is out the window. Cersei>NK? Such a bad explanation.
"They didn't sacrifice realism for a spectacle" ... are you kidding me? The plot armor was thicker than Pod's rod!
you mean how it's always been in game of thrones? Or basically any other show?
@@saidmarin4101 A Song of Ice and Fire and the series literally got so popular because it was a fantasy based in reality. If you can find Hollywood bullshit like this in the books or the first 4 seasons I'll give you $100. Have some fucking standards
Arya running past 100 weights and all the white walkers. Real af.
the whole reason why Jorah is where he was at the end of the episode is Dany didn't took off after helping Jon. Drogon is just there waiting for the plot to continue instead getting mother of dragons to safety because they need a poetic way for Jorah to meet his end, and that's just dumb
I’m sure the main characters had really good reasons for being the only ones without helmets.
Ghost is not dead...he can be seen in the background of the preview....
Where? I scanned so many times after I heard this..Is that him between Dany and Sam, everyone outside the gates
Ellen Behaney don’t worry he’s alive
@@ellen9575 Ghost is behind Sam when they are going to burn their dead
Mukul Pegasus Yea, that's the last we'll see him. I mean, Jon hasn't even said one word to him. He's really letting this whole "Dragon Rider" thing go to his head since he's neglecting his old buddy.
I was just coming here to say the same thing. Both he and Rhaegal are alive.
While I liked the episode more than I disliked it...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the reason why people like me get "nit picky" about these later season episodes is pretty simple:
We were super fans of the first 4-5 seasons (most of us). They set up the rules of this universe in a way that is veeery grounded in reality. Distances are far, anyone can die, expectations are subverted, etc. Even the fantasy elements have this in a way.
They run out of source material and the original author leaves from writing/plot consultation. So it's left to Hollywood writers to figure it out. And in typical Hollywood fashion, they pollute the story with the following:
Predictability, Deus ex machina, plot aromor, one liners, fan service, and all around unimagination.
This could have been the greatest show in television history, and it was ruined by Hollywood-ass Hollywood writers that just got sick of it, lost all inspiration, wanted to move on with their lives, and took the easiest way to the finish line all while pandering to the lowest common denominator.
So yeah, we're picky. And angry. And disappointed. Because we feel betrayed. So kindly fuck off.
John Smith PREACH
I'm so sorry that your life is so empty that when you realize that a simple tv show is actually created for revenue you're entire world is shattered and you have the audacity to sound off and be angry like 40 year weirdo you are. Yeah.sorry
Ernesto Soriano it’s a service that people pay for. Why would they not be angry? It’s like getting a shitty burger from a restaurant and being angry. Should someone be happy/proud of their shitty burger?
@@ernestosoriano2517 it's ok, I forgive you. I get what it's like to be that aforementioned lowest common denominator. I used to watch cartoons and want to buy all the action figures and toys from the commercials when I was a kid. So again, I forgive you. When you grow up one day, I think you'll understand what critical thinking is all about. I believe in you little buddy.
@@ernestosoriano2517 I'm sorry you've never been passionate about anything before
Yall need to go back and watch your 10 best and worst changes video and see what yall said about the ending with the white walkers and then what the show did here.
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Maome Kat I’ve never seen a Turkish soap opera...are they notoriously bad?
this is the equivalent of thanos dying halfway into infinity war and loki is the main bad guy for endgame
Exactly!!!
That is literally the most accurate description of this ending I have ever heard
Or Last Jedi, it's literally last jedi. Maybe they got that degenerate Rian Johnson to write this episode.
dude... way too spoil it for me...
Lachy 'JJ' Mckillop Not even close 😂
I said in your review of the preview, I asked why the Dothraki would be at the front. Putting light Cavarly on the front line and charging forward without a plan was the most foolish thing I've ever seen on this show. Right behind the northern forces going out there with swords and just hacking away instead of everyone outside of the wall being in formation with the unsullied. We see the northern forces use a Phalanx during the Battle of the Bastards but here they just hack away like in L.O.T.R? Why were archers not constantly shooting while the fire barricade was up? Why were all the siege weapons outside instead of constantly raining fire from the walls? Why were the ramparts not guarded? Why would everyone just let the direwolf charge headfirst ahead of the Cavalry? Why didn't Bran ask Theon to wait? I have been looking forward to this battle for years, and we got just terrible planning, and the grand threat was never the real threat. This was ALWAYS the threat. It was the opening moment of the show, and its always been looming but no, death was never the real enemy. It was always the woman who had three kids and happened to be ex wife to the third last king. A nearly omniscient being who can effortlessly control over a hundred thousand creatures and slay dragons with a flick of the wrist, was just the opening act for Cersi, because that's what we waited 8 seasons for. Who cares about the living dead, did you know that Cersi fucked her own brother?
yo don't compare lotr to this mess.
helm's deep and minas tirith weren't so god damn useless compared to this, they stayed behind their walls and constantly fired shots at their enemies.
Well said.
Bruh THANK YOU. I had the EXACT questions all episode and I felt like an idiot when i brought them up to friends. Like why send your forces charging into PITCH BLACK when you have siege weapons that can literally rain fire from afar constantly? Just light them up while your phalanx holds the line. Make traps and moats filled with oil for the dead to charge into. Lace the land with explosive oil barrels ahead of time. Like make the dead have to WORK to even get close to you. I just don't get why so much of this was written this way it really boggles the mind. In fact, why wasn't bran WITH Jon as a commander? He can literally see the entire battlefield from a bird's eye view. Have him help you direct forces or at least plan. Why was Jon sitting on that wall on the dragon doing nothing when the trench was to be lit? Danerys couldn't see the signal but I'm SURE he could have. He was right there. WTF.
Your welcome, but thank you guys. I was worried that I was some sort of madman. Everyone at my job was singing nothing but praise so I thought it was just me, but you guys have assured me, I was not the only one who could not stop staring at the massive plot holes.
@@marcusthemad1396 You're not alone. Those people at your job are the ones that's tripping.
Anyone who defends all the stupid ish in this episode must be capable of completely turning their brains off when they watch a tv show or movie.
I swear Brienne, Sam, Jaime, Tormund, basically all the big characters were completely swarmed at one point or another during the battle and they didn’t receive one stab wound from it, some random gets swarmed and he literally gets torn to shreds in the span of 1 second ...
The level of plot armor these characters had was unbelievable, I completely forgot that I was watching the same show that had the Red Wedding, Ned’s execution, Hardhome, Oberyn vs The Mountain and a million other phenomenal sequences...
This is how I see it, if your going to throw all the build up out the window by killing the Night King in his first real battle with no reveal/twist/backstory then fine, okay, at least kill off the majority of the characters in doing so... who in this great green earth thought it was a good idea to kill the NK with no backstory at all and also keep 90% of the characters alive ... aaaand on top of that have NO White Walkers fight any characters during the entire battle... then proceed to sit back and think “I’ve satisfied the story, people will feel so fulfilled with this” put your feet up and smile...
my god
Sam literally looked like he was in a children's ball pit with all them zombies and dead bodies around him, he was having fun looool
Those were not battles those were actually story driven events that lead to those sequences, the only battle you listed was "Hardhome" and guess what? No major characters died in the battle. Did you throw a tantrum when Jon made it out alive as well?
That's because till season 4 or 5 they followed the book. As soon as they deviated or try to innovate they flucked and this episode 3 was one such where they literally fuc5ed up the writing part. Terribly disorganised writing.
SUPRATIK SARKAR - That makes zero sense, they stayed consistent with their main battles. How many main character have died in the previous 4 major battles? Obviously you’ve just started watching the show about a month ago. Everyone expected Jon to kill the NK and when that didn’t happen people lost their shit.... that’s GoT, you never truly get what you want. It stayed true to itself. Once your emotional tantrum is over you’ll be able to think more rationally.
@@luisofsuburbia no I have watched all the seven episodes. And it was all about the NK. At least we should have some magic to kill him or 2-3 episodes of some magic where bran will be a part. But this seemed so dull. A man who can't be killed with dragon fire is killed by valyrian steel. And kill Jaime, Sam at least. It makes sense. Still how brienne, Payne, gendry survived is a mystery. This is not the type of ending we expect in GOT.
Voldemort died in book 6 and now for book 7 we're going back to Hogwarts to finish our TRUE battle with Slytherin House. This is complete garbage storytelling. I don't care about the Houses anymore, Voldemort was supposed to be the true underlying threat since season 1, episode 1, scene 1. Bran better be the real NK or this will be the worst series finale in TV history.
Trackline good analogy
Spot on. Like Vader dying in Cloud City from Leia force punching him and then we find out Jabba is the true villian! I can hear this channel now "ThIs Is HoW iT wAs AlWaYs MeAnT tO bE!"
seeing varys is so funny and sad at the same time.
poor spider is reduced to a background character
and neither him, Tyrion or Sansa figured out that a crypt was not the best place to hide when being attacked by the undead
He's hardly spoken since Dany scolded him and forgave him. I'm guessing he'll have more of a part to play now fighting Cersei. That's what he's good at, the political. As he said in S1 to Ned in his cell, "When you look at me, do you see a hero?".
He *did* have blood on his face at the end of the episode... wonder how that happened..? 🤔
more like an extra really
He was always a background character but ever since Dan and Dave was left to their own devices after season 4 they have not known what to do with him so they just stick him in wherever they can without anything to do.
You literally have a video dissecting what the Night king wants, but now all of a sudden you don’t care and it doesn’t matter?
Gotta shill amirite?
The Knight King was a waste of a character and my time.
fucking traitors
Well it still makes sense for the books.
How dare you man we don't criticize got here this is a fanboy channel
Just because something is unexpected and subverts expectations doesn't make it automatically good. Having Cersei killed by Hot Pie would still be a twist outta nowhere, but it'd be a shit ending.
A good twist should take you by surprise but then make you say "oh of course, that actually makes sense too". This episode did not do that for me.
All the book readers and critical reviewers have stated that this was a shit episode and was expecting the same from Nerd soup but I guess these guys are just casual fans as well.
true. If they were to really go down that path arya could just sneak up on cersi now and kill her...because obviously she can
Name one person in the show who can kill Arya
@@xex365 I fail to see how that's relevant to anything I said. But if you desperately want my answer, then I think multiple characters COULD kill Arya, depending on the context and circumstances around the fight. In addition, a lot of kills are made outside of battle. Cersei could blow the area Arya happens to be in to smithereens, Dany could blast her with dragonfire etc etc.
Arya also excels at being stealthy and taking down her enemies when they don't expect her, so in a one on one duel I think characters like the Hound could potentially overpower her.
Nordfjord the point was that you said that this was a twist but it was not she is a trained killer why would they wasted the whole thing in bravos and have her become a faceless man if she wasn’t going to do something
Also the pussy hound will not be able to kill her he leaves every battle he is in and lost to the big women who Arya already went toe to toe with
People keep saying it will be all politics now, well that's great and all, but where were they in the past few seasons ? The political aspects of the show vanished, the scheming characters kept getting dumber and dumber and being ridiculed. The show took a left turn and we were MADE to expect high fantasy and not the realistic harsh reality that was the identity of the show at first. And now we're supposed to take another left turn and go back to the schemes and politics ? It will not work, it will not make a satisfying ending.
one of the better arguments.
Best comment I came across
People dont understand Faceless man. they worship the stranger, seventh god of the seven god. They believe Death is a mercy for life and agony. they are not just SIMPLE ASSASSINS. And if she is a facless man , her "job" would be to in a way bring mercy to the world, buy KILLING it, aka letting the Nk kill Bran. But she stated she is NOT "NO ONE" she is ARYA STARK when in Bravos at the end, so how d fuck in the last 3 season is she an op master killer, when she abandon in a way that path, and trained WITH A FUCKING STICK The WORST thing is now Mellisandra said Green eyes too witch means Cersi, so arya will kill cersi ? But that would be utter bullshit, but wait, if she dose NOT KILL CERISE the whole PROPHECY taht as made up by D6D about Mellisandra telling that to Arya is WRONG TOO! So they fuck up there own WRONG world building that they changed to just change it in ep probably 6 again ? Now that MAKES NO GOD DAMN SENSE. If Arya kills Cersi it will be a rant like no other, if she dose not it will be a rant cos why d fuck did she than kill the NK with Blue eyes ? Do you get me ? They are dumb as fuck
The whole story was supposed to be about how the politics were all petty and useless and that the real threat to everyone was north of the wall - something much less hard to understand or face, and something that a lot of people didn't even believe existed. So much for all the terror of "winter is coming" and "the night is dark and full of terrors". Now there's just a petty throne fight left.
Yep the show is fucking ruined now.
I know the episode was dark but I thought Arya's trampoline should have been better lit.
trampoline? more like a catapult she was fucking flying.
underrated
Bran was sitting under a monstrously huge tree. She didn’t need a trampoline, she was probably hiding in the tree and dropped down
@@missliss2581ableNope. She inherited powers of Flash since we clearly see a whitewalker's hair move in the breeze as she runs through like 6 rows of undead.
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Here are my complaints:
1. The Dothraki charge made no sense. 100k wights out somewhere and you charge them with your... 5k cavalry? I thought the plan was to play defense and buy time. I get the sword lights made a cool effect, but jeez what a nonsensical death.
2. The battle shots had a lot of inconsistency. There is a part where the Unsullied are protecting the retreat of the other fighters. You see 4 rows of unsullied left before the trench. You think "oh shit, they're not gonna make it". Then you see grey worm call to light the trench, they pan up and .... there are at least 15 rows of unsullied. Huh? Also did Grey Worm just doom them to die by pulling the bridge pre-maturely?
3. Sam Tarly is on the front lines.... and he doesn't die. The guy thats so fat he can't run and so inept that he has at least 3 scenes in the battle crying. The wights couldn't kill HIM? Seriously?
4. If the wights swarmed the castle and Daenarys fell off her dragon outside the gates... how did Jorah get to her?
5. When the ironborn in the godswood start to engage the wights you see them almost immediately being overwhelmed. The next cut we see them doing fine shooting the wights with arrows and not being overwhelmed at all.
6. 30k soldiers are dead and coincidentally the only people that seem to have survived are Hound, Brianne, Jaime (who can't really fight), Gendry, Sam (wtf), grey worm... and basically anyone we would recognize as a regular character. Really? None of them got stabbed the whole time?
7. The NK is about to kill bran and he's surrounded by white walkers and wights in a circle. Arya.... somehow penetrates this circle ninja style and leaps at him? What? How the f did she get into this circle of bad guys? How did she get a running start to jump at him? WHY would she leap at him to begin with? If she's sneaking up on him... why is she screaming out loud? They blew an opportunity IMO to have her wear the face of wight to sneak in and then charge him. Thats a little fan fiction-y but at least it would make sense, as opposed to "A wild arya appears! She used LUNGE & SCREAM"
With the greyworm deal, yeah, he pretty much sacrificed the rest of the unsullied. I think it made sense though. During the scene, you can see the camera is set to his face as he contemplates the decision to either sacrifice his men or risk everyone's lives in order to save his men. I think greyworm, in the past, would have sacrificed himself to save his men, but now he has missandei in his life.
So that's like one of very few things I'm okay with in this episode.
@@mattyjay1711 why were they on the wrong side of the flaming trench to begin with though? just to have the scene where they are sacrificed? when they showed the formations people were confused about pretty much all of the decision making. They made a spectacle, but it makes Jon look ignorant.
@@deankruse2891 pretty much. A lot of things they are doing on the show doesn't fit with the characters. They're making stupid decisions constantly just so they can have an "epic" scene or some heroic death were the audience needs to cry.
Dude, everyone is afraid to call this shit out. It sucked. They put big money to hide the poor Storytelling that’s it.
We all thought the battle against the NK was the real war, but we were wrong. The real war is the battle in these comment sections. That is the only war that matters.
Haha right? Seems like a lot of the GoT community is super whiny
@@SpeedyGolfCart77 It's kind of like being told that your girl has been cheating on you for years and everyone knew about it but you. No one wants to believe they've been dumb enough to invest time and care into something that turns out to be trash and they get defensive.
@@SpeedyGolfCart77 People who had strong expectations are being whiny. There is more than twice as many likes as dislikes, so the GOT community is 2 times more positive than whiny.
You deserve more likes.
LOL Great comment .... it's critical thinkers vs. fundamentalist throners!
Usually you guys do a pretty good job with this stuff. Couldnt even make it through this one...
Agreed!
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Alt Shift's Review Is Better
@@maomekat2369
Neutral?
Fading Faze will have to check it out.
"That's not what game of thrones is. From the very first episode, it's going to give you a realistic take on how these events would play out"
**Arya leaps from out of literal nowhere to stab and kill the night king**
Guys.......
I know, right? fucking unbelievable
I like them but they obviously are Arya stans so they cant look at this unbiased.
Was it not from a tree in the gods wood or something?
@@liamsmith331 The weirwood was in front of them. So she ran up, from wherever, and made a nine foot vertical leap, while screaming. Because fighting with a staff while blind and getting stabbed in the gut is basically the same as getting bit by a radioactive spider.
John Smith no she tree is huge and she was obviously in one of the branches. The tree is wide as hell, we can see that from many shots. She didn’t come out of no where leaping higher than him are you dense
*_"And now my HYPE is ended"_*
Night King
The only HYPE left is Clegane Bowl
Can't wait to watch the golden company vs plot armor next episode 20,000 men vs 10 main characters. Damn the golden company doesn't stand a chance.
For real. There's no fucking way that Cersei can even touch them now that they've killed literal Death
Watch Bran warg into the super wolf pack
🙈 my god 6 main characters DIED in one episode... what do you want them all to die except jon and dany? Then what? Those two go and fight kings landing on their own? Get real.
This is such an underrated comment 10/10
yeah, what all the main characters have to do is stand with their backs to the wall and suddenly their enemies no longer have weapons, Sam you go lay down there on the ground and cry, that'll wipe out at least half their army.
The Dothraki are experienced light calvery. They would have never made the massive mistake in the beginning. Totally unrealistic.
They were KNOWN as warriors of the field, frozen corpses should not have been capable of decimating them like they were fodder and WITH the FIREY SWORDS, HOW IS THIS PLAUSIBLE???? Until commanded by the night king, they stood at the fire Melisandra ignited almost naturally it felt like? So why didn’t the firey swords repel them the same way? He wasn’t really commanding them like he did then, so it just didn’t feel right, yo. Even if the White walkers were up at horse height, with the Dorhraki, idk man, they died like this because Plot. 🤷🏼♂️
They died because it's both expensive and dangerous to have that many horses in scenes like these.
What? The dothrakis whole MO is to angrily charge at their foes they are nomadic horselords, they fucked off before even Jorah wanted to go coz the flaming swords hyped them up so much lol
The Dothraki are bloodthirsty savages who's main method of attack is intimidate and overwhelm. The scene gave perspective on the battle after you try this tactic on a lifeless army that outnumbers you and can't be scared.
You die.
Dularr perhaps we were all supposed to be so busy subliminally reciting Tennyson’s “The Charge of the Light Brigade” we would not notice? Or, blame the “generals”? Yep. “Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply/ Theirs not to reason why/ Theirs but to do & die.”
So, we can call bad writing "Subversion" and everyones happy 😁
It worked for The Last Jedi...kinda...
Lance Uppercut If you don’t expect it it’s obviously a good choice
@@JackDC24 I reallllly hope that's sarcasm but honestly at this point I cant tell anymore
Welcome to fiction writing in the vapid age
@@JackDC24 No... just no. Subversion for the sake of subversion is pathetic. Plain and simple.
BTW: There's a difference in subverting expectations and not meeting them.
RoMschay it would subvert my expectations if all their heads exploded and kittens and rainbows came pouring out but that wouldn’t make it good
@@connorfoley8611 That image is not what I had in mind, but that is the point basically, yes.
There's a difference between eating ass and eating shit and u sir, do the latter,,,,
@@nickprezzo the difference sounds very minimal... Almost non existent
PREACH
Hot Pie will kill Cersei simply because its unexpected, And these two guys are gonna love it
Fanny Pack Fitness I, for one, would love for Hot Pie to kill Cersei
Go cry some more
@@eXpas04 keep shilling
@@eXpas04 fanny pack's criticism is 100% justified
Gotta "subvert those expectations", right?
Me in seasons 1-4 : please don't kill characters
Me this season : why aren't you killing more characters?!
Jon: we are victorious!
Bran: we don't have time for this. Cersais has four elephants.
Sansa : what do dragons eat by the way?
Robert Galindo nice joke stolen from reddit my dude lmao
Robert Galindo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, how about making up your own jokes?
Jeremiah Brand ok
I'm ok with Arya killing the Nightking. I'm not ok with her litterally teleporting outta thin air to do it.
@Lucas Davenport If you're going to try to justify trash atleast try to sound remotely sensible
Melisandre said it took Gendry's blood to "kill a king" but I didn't think she meant his sperm giving Arya superpowers.
i think she ran from behind, and that’s why we get the clip of a white walker turning around and probably seeing her run by last minute
@Lucas Davenport if that was the case they could have at least shown us how the hell she took the face of one of them lol. Idk if she even did that it really seems like she snuck past them, especially when we think back to how Jon asked her before how she snuck up on him. Her simply sneaking past all of them just makes no sense to me.
She's a faceless assassin for God's sake. The execution wasn't the best but nobody but Arya could have killed him
“I really like how you can’t see anything that’s going on”
definition of denial
That statement alone made me unsub
That's something the perennially too-happy New Rockstars guy would say.
I kinda get it. It did provide a sense of dread and tension. But yeah.... I feel like the amount of darkness was overkill.
Yes thats what he said it’s called an opinion.
I knew you were going to be a little too forgiving, but I didn't expect you to take the full length of this narrative failure down your throat.
Someone enjoyed something that you didn't. Get over it.
Jake Randal, this is like expecting a brand new game console for Christmas, only to get a pile of dog shit, while your brother mocks you and says “what? You don’t like it? God you are just impossible to please!”
Oy Mate well, no. No it’s fucking not.
@@clovisno756 It kind of is...
@@raryraru opinion….it might be hmmm?
This video is poor. I have to say. Why, because all the comments are rationalized with hindsight. Oh Cersei is the real villain, the night kings motivations don't matter. Then how and why was Crastor able to strike a deal with the WW? Why did the WW spare Sam and the buy in the first episode?
This episode was shockingly poor. Lazy writing. No imagination.
I don't think an actual deal was struck with Crastor, it just worked out that way. He needed to get rid of the sons because they were competition so he took them out to the woods to leave them to die, maybe feed the wolves, or freeze to death, but the white walkers kept finding them instead, so the NK not being stupid realized Crastor was of more use to him alive than dead. Crastor figured this out after awhile too. I think the NK needed live humans to create the white walkers because he creates them differently than the wights. The magic must make them age quickly too because they all looked way too old to be Crasters children, and we never see any babies or children in the NK army.
Lol what if there is a 2nd wave?😂😂plot twist!
yea the lack of imagination was pretty sad
@@ashhartling9713 "Shockingly poor? Give me a break. You people have too much time on your hands"
Lol, yeah, respect like yours.
agreed
This is realism? Explain how Sam had 9 lives after being buried under wights?
Did you forget when Jeor Mormont forbid him to die
He was hiding under a dumpster.
Tamara Magdalene or how he was just hanging on the ground crying and stabbing weighs with no consequence?
@@NC-tt4gc And we were happy as fuck when Glenn came from under that damn dumpster
Zombies and dragons and your concern is the fat lad getting buried under a few bodies.
S1: The winter is coming...
S2: The winter is coming...
S3: The winter is coming...
S4: The winter is coming...
S5: The winter is coming...
S6: The winter is coming...
S7: The winter is coming...
S8: The winter was comic...
Season 8 show runners: “We’re tired of writing this shit...lets just fucking kill him”
Cersei was and is still coming all over Euron's huge cock.
The original long night lasted years . lol
@@claudiamiller7730 Season 8 show runners: "Last Season guys, let's stick to George R.R. Martins plan and keep the focus on the throne..."
Both the show runners and GRRM have confirmed that the show and the books come to the same ending, so even in the books, the night king gets killed. o.O
XLTH polakotaco
There is no Night King in the book......
I understand praising the technical and cinematic achievement that this episode clearly was, but you guys clearly had fanboy glasses to miss the fact that storywise this episode was a dumpster fire that ignored so many plot threads.
Do your own podcast.
@@t.k.1319 😂😂😂got em
"I liked the battle. It didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle." Oh REALLY? How about the 8-9 times they showed a main character being completely surrounded/overwhelmed by wights, screaming like they're dying only for the camera to cut away, then when the camera cuts back they're COMPLETELY FINE? Worst offenders: Sam Tarley, Brienne and Jaimie. What the fuck man?
The wights weren't trying to harm Sam they were just having a tickle fight.
How in seven hells did Ser (I’m no good in combat) Davos live through that??
Sam Tarley, Brienne and Jaimie, yeah they lived, so what? I'm glad they lived. Stop splitting hairs.
Jon too! When the NK rose the wights around him.
@@firewithfire848 So what??? SOOO in real life they would be dead? GOT used to be realistic with anyone being able to make mistakes and die but now this series is just another hero story
The only time a cried was when Tyrion ans Sansa drew their knives. I completely misread it and thought they were gonna commit supuku. It would've been in Sansa's character to go out on her own terms and die with the one that she was closest to.
I think we were supposed to think that. But they were going to go out fighting.
Yeah I completely agree, nevertheless still one of the strongest scenes of the episode
They didn't sacrifice realism? Did you not see all the plot armor in this episode dude jesus christ.
These guys aren't the brightest. We shouldn't waste our time listening to them anymore.
@@XR_TRON After watching this video, I've got to say I agree.
lost all respect after this episode. They're clearly apologists
Was there plot armor in any of the previous battles? All of them! Every one. Didn’t hear any whining then!
Tron Goodbye 👋🏼
It's funny how there are so many theories who the Night King was and his true motives on RUclips, including this channel. Yet this episode just craps all over those theories, making them trivial content now. In other words, although Episode 3 had great cinematic scenes, it greatly suffered the last Jedi effect. Also, speaking of the last Jedi, Arya kills the Night King the way Rey defeats one of Snoke's red guards. How original. 😏
That was exactly what i was thinking, i got so many TLJ vibes. And that isnt a good thing
Except that Arya's was foreshadowed in season 7, months before The Last Jedi. You're point is invalid.
@@tipsyryno936 That actually makes it worse. It's copy and paste at its finest. But hey, if you liked episode 3 and Arya turning into a Mary Sue, then more power to you.
They already answers those questions in the show
Ryan Harris Except they did not foreshadow how she dropped the dagger into another hand and jabbed into his heart… So your point is invalid :)
I’m cool with Cerci being the “real” villain, in theory. But DO NOT say that that is always how it was supposed to be... they were very explicit many times throughout the entire series, that the “TRUE” enemy was the army of the dead. There are at least a dozen quotes that are not remotely ambiguous about this.
Exactly, the whole fucking point is compared to the Great Enemy all the other squabbles fade.
you mean the show led you to believe something and then had a twist in your face and surprised you?! Woah?! How uncool of them. I want to know what happens BEFORE the episode, thats REAL entertainment, pure unadulterated... lack of shock
@@konagold2645 😂😂
Jon said that. He was the one pushing that. Dany and many other said it was Cersei. Don’t mistake 1 character pushing that for everyone.
Erik Lerström disagree completely. Yes the book are better. But that’s an unattainable standard. No one is going to do this story better than GRRM. But besides that? It’s been an epic show. The best TV show in a long time. Try to separate the show from the book.
Aaron: I am out when Arya kills Cersei.
Arya kills Cersei.
Aaron: I loved it. Makes perfect sense.
Brown eyes(rando/trant), green eyes(Cersei), blue eyes(Night King). Eyes you will close forever...
@@jamalthomas2912 Yeah and Ayra kills everyone? i LiKe It. Might as well change the name to Game of Ayra.
They already established that she can sneak past enemies that can hear blood dripping on the floor and she has the ability to wear other people's faces so it only makes sense to send her alone to King's Landing to deal with Cersei. See, there is no problem with making her character this ridiculously powerful, and this would be a good ending to this entire series simply because it is subversive. /s
He honestly seems like SUCH a fanboy.
@@musefive8552 Whines and complains about a series not meeting your expectations.
Calls someone a fanboy
*IRONY*
"they didn't sacrifice realism" - lol
Yeah the tactics were sooo realistic. Teleportation is also somehow realistic. Not dying while attacked by 10 wights at the same time is realistic. But no, a little light for us to see what's happening isn't realistic.
Worst Nerd Soup video. Ever.
This is the first stage of grief 😂🤣😂 they are justifying the shows crap.
Your theory about the backstory of the Night King was far more interesting than him being just pure evil.
the whole point of the night king is that he was a creation to combat the "evils" of man, their endless war. It actually makes sense from grrm's anti-war perspective.
This whole time he's just a blue Sauron, apparently.
I'm sure the "writers" of the show celebrated for a few weeks straight after watching TLJ. (This shit is genius!)
Guess Jon ain’t Azor Ahai, guess Rhaegar did all that prince that was promised stuff for nothing
ScorchrDoesMinecraft exactly!!!! This is my number one problem with the show like... Bruhh did y’all forget that he stayed a war to basically have Jon Snow?!
Kia Taaliyah I knowwww, they either forgot they made Jon and NK to be rivals or did that on purpose and threw away Jon’s plotline. Jon died and came back to life and has been the indirect hype man for the dead for years, and Arya stole his kill.
THE SHOW IS NOT OVER YET
ScorchrDoesMinecraft FOR NOTHING!!!
Haley Reeves yeah but Jon’s plot is, he’s been built up to be the hero that brings the dawn and he screamed at a dragon while Arya stole his kill. He was the first character to fight a wight, second to kill a white walker, made glares at the NK and died and came back to life only to be made into a side character. The Northern plot was Jon’s, and it’s over. The south has always been the Lannister plot and that’s all that’s left now, Jon ain’t good at politics he’s good at fighting and Arya took that away. If she kills Cersei, or the Mountain, or Euron I’ll be irked. She stole one kill, she doesn’t deserve any more
You keep saying this is a good thing, and how u want cersei (a character from the very beginning) to be the end villain. But the very first scene in game of thrones is about the whites...they are literally the first villains. They have been building up the mystery around them for over a decade now. Placing spiraling circles, leaving certain people alive while killing others. And now he's dead, no explonation about the spirals he places, why he is attacking now after 2000 years. why he hit the flying dragon and not the one everyone of importance was sitting on.... What was his end goal? what did he want ? What did his message mean? Why now after 2000 years ? They build an huge ass fucking wall to keep him out, he gets past it a few months and he dies.....
now he's dead and they are going to drop all the mystery and lore behind what could have been one of the best villians ever. And you say this is good...i don't mind killing him mid season and having cersei as the end villain but after a decade of buildup i expected some answers....If they don't give us any i'll be dissapointed in the series...it's what i've been waiting for and been watching for this entire time.
Honestly...check the time the whiteys have had in the show during seasons 1-6..its all been about politicall developements. But i agree the main idea was of the dead.
Tired of hearing that Cersi is the main Villian of the show but if they go that route then fine. But to spoon feed us WW and NK as this powerful entity and then to say the NK only wants to erase memories is cray talk! No explanation. Good episode just a bit disappointed on how the NK got layer out. I hope he comes back.
His books aren’t done this is the writing of hacks
This is by far the worst commentary on an episode that I have seen from you guys.
I feel like we watched different episodes. I wish I had seen what you both saw.
"It's going to give you a realistic take on how these events will play out. It's not going to give you the typical hero moments"
I love you guys, and I love your insights and perspectives, but this whole episode was ALL about typical hero moments and VERY unrealistic things. I expected a great loss from the heroes because it's the 'Great War', but there was no weight to it at all. Realistically, as brave and strong-minded Lady Mormont is, the Giant would have just smacked her again like any other human in his way. But he realised she's a fan favourite so he'll kill her dramatically and slowly instead, giving her enough time to kill him as well.
Only these characters will feel loss: Dany (Jorah), Sam and Jon (Edd) albeit slightly, for a throwaway line, maybe not even that, Sansa (Theon). Melisandre, Lady Mormont and Beric? They will be mourned by their comrades, but no one will feel TRUE pain or loss for them on a deep personal level. My ideal additional deaths: Pod: to affect Tyrion and Brienne. Greyworm: to affect Missandei and Dany even more, Gendry: to affect Davos, even just a little. Tormund: to affect Jon, and Brienne to an extent, and an unpopular opinion, Arya: to affect Jon, Sansa, the Hound and Brienne. She was MADE for this, as we can see the episode clearly favours her. Arya is one of my absolute favourites through and through, but it would've been a fitting end for a warrior protecting, fighting and dying for her home and family.
This episode has good techniques, good acting and was thoroughly entertaining as a battle episode, but when you peel off that surface, and dig deeper, there's no substance. Everyone is listing the Red Wedding or Hardhome as examples to compare, but I think of Jamie rescuing Brienne and losing his hand in doing so. This one action and one scene had more weight than most of this episode. In one scene, Jamie is completely stripped of what he succeeds in and what makes up a lot of his identity, being a legendary swordsman and a knight. He is humbled, torn down, broken, and there is no going back. That was a "hero moment" done right, and it wasn't typical, it was realistic.
That's just how I felt about it anyway.
You know what fucks me off about lyanna thing as well. In the behind the scenes video D&D start rambling about how Lyanna was meant to have a small role at first, but now "oh she's so great, she's a fan favourite, we simply had to give her the right send off" - you should never do this in GoT and it's pathetic fan service. Don't get me wrong, the girl who acts Lyanna has done an amazing job, but it made me so angry that D&D were willing to kill her in such a laughable manner, rather than typical brutal GoT (ie giant just stamping on her like he would've done the others).
Just don’t watch the show anymore it’s obviously not for you.
"Realistically, as brave and strong-minded Lady Mormont is, the Giant would have just smacked her again like any other human in his way. "
I don't know if you missed it. But the first time she encounters the giant wight, she literally gets side swipped and flies off. IMHO, she should have died like that. Period. Even great characters can have shitty deaths. It was the perfect time for it.
Probably invested too much money in the series at this point, and they are terrified if they kill off any more major characters people who were watching the show for X person would rage quit?
So they are now only killing off secondary characters.
btw regarding these characters remaining alive. I believe it has been done becasue, now that the plot has returned to the squabbles for the throne, the plot needs these characters and their conflict. We needed jaime and tyrion alive so that there is tension between them and Dany once she wants to kill cersei. We needed brienne alive because she has loyalties to sansa and jaime. We needed Sansa and ayra alive for the tension between whether Jon remains in the north or goes to fight for Dany. We arguably even need gendry for his importance as a boratheon.Having said this, the writing in order to ensure this was awful. Why make it so blatantly obvious that they have impenetrable plot armour? If you need them alive, then keep them somewhere fighting where they can realistically survive.
Sam however, can fuck off. Fat fuck shouldve been mauled
Daumier Smith wow I didn’t read this but you sound mad🤣
While this was an amazing episode in terms of visuals and spectacle, it was empty of substance.
No it looked shit too.
@@kesamek8537 how?
Luke Nauris like this 💩
@@adimazga damn, that looks like your personality bro
Luke Nauris to me it really looks like your level of comprehension but whatever...
the white walkers were the first episode..................first scene...it was the GoT introduction ffs...
One of the very few cold opens as well, right? Jfc before the first time ever seeing the credits, even more in your face "this is going to be super important".
@@iloveyourunclebob we didn't even know who the Starks or the Lannisters were and we had already seen the white walkers... and off they went! These two are in such denial, they convinced themselves that this was great! Specially Aaron, he keeps describing shit that wasn't there! LOL
The potential apocalypse is a miniboss and the final boss is just another war of succession. Maybe I could forgive this if characters in the show hadn't been reminding me how little the iron throne matters compared to the night kingm. Jokes on them though since the night king blew a 28-3 lead.
A 28-3 lead is insurmountable. No one would ever blow that.
Robert Galindo wonder if they still feel it means nothing. Bet everyone is eyeing it now
The Night king, Star war snoke, steppenwolf and ultron are in the same box for me now, Just plain weak villain.
It was obvious this would happen. You really think they would have two huge battles against the army of the dead? That would be redundant and stupid, after an episode like that you were expecting another one?
"reminding me how little the iron throne matters" - Sansa would say: "And you believed them? I used to think you were the cleverest man on youtube."
The fact that you two talk about this episode like it is amazing and flawless is kinda disappointing, there were so so many weird thing happening in the episode like the wights killing all the dothraki warriors is a matter of seconds and then cuddling with Sam for an hour and not killing him. I guess you are the ultimate fans of the show meaning what ever they give you, you will love it.
since they gave that hot mess of a second season of west world a pass they haven't been critical like they use to be.
I was beginning to wonder if these 2 are paid by D&D lol. I have no problem with characters surviving, or Arya killing the NK, I just have a problem with how it all happened. I think there were better ways to have them survive that didn't involve copious amounts of plot armor. Sam could have been in the crypts for example for the same reason Tyrion was, because his mind was more important. He was absolutely useless on the battlefield, somehow survived without hiding, and he got Ed killed.
But they hated season 7.
It's a tv show. Calm down
@@ernestosoriano2517 Make me.
Arya killing the Night King... dope
The Night King getting taken out so easily... dafuq?
Not dope and a complete asspull.
She literally came out of nowhere while his generals and a good amount of his army was standing next to him.
Why not make him and Jon fight while they were staring at each other causing both of them to die in the battle? 10x better than the asspull that we have now.
It wasn't easy though. It had to happen as it did, down to the last seconds that Theon provided. Bran armed her with the weapon in the same spot where he waited for the NK to arrive. He only revealed himself as he did to kill the 3ER.
@@JohnXina97 I appreciate the subversion even though, admittedly, it wasn't earned.
@@nickprezzo It wasn't easy? Gravity ain't got shit on him, DRAGON FIRE ain't got shit on him, dude has Bran levels of foresight and is skilled af. Not to mention he's completely surrounded by whights and his white walker generals, but somehow (a) Arya (love you girl) gets the drop on him and (b) merks him with a tiny ass valyrian dagger? That's seriously all it took? With all due respect, miss me with the bullshit.
@@drifter_d Why are you replying to me when I clearly said why it wasn't easy, or a fluke, or luck. Lmfao. Miss me with your reactionary drivel. She trained for years for this, that's what the bullshit in Bravos was about. To move like Jaqen in Harrenhal. Were you complaining then?
Holy shit you guys completely missed the point of the whole story
"Game of Thrones has always been about how the events would play out in real life"
Well, there is no chance most of the main characters would survive this fight "in real life". In real life you also don't get "the heroic death" you want. That's a thing I absolutely loved about the show, how they just killed characters in the middle of their storyarc, which just made you feel miserable for days, but als made you so insanely invested in the show. This episode just feld like an awesome fight scene, not the show I love. There was simply no moment I was afraid that one of the main characters was going to die.
Exactly. Have Jamie or Brienne die in when the first wave hits. Have little mormont get smacked by the giants club, insta dead. Dont do heroic deaths, do gritty, painful, real deaths. then you might be able to get some payoff, and the whole battle might become meaning full. This way? Nah. Just hollywood spectacle.
I would have really liked it if more characters died in the first wave. It just felt like such a massacre, keeping almost all of the alive felt a bit too unrealistic.
This is wrong on so many levels. Although Game of Thrones is known for killing its characters pretty indiscriminately, I don't think it's ever been arbitrary. It's always been because of their hubris, or them failing to foresee something, or systemic mistakes, or making enemies they underestimated. I don't think killing characters that we have huge emotional investment in with a stray arrow or some shit actually works well dramatically like you imagine it would.
People imagined that Brienne and Grey worm would die because of plot closure but that wouldn't have been realistic given that they are the best fighters in that army. If we are talking "realistically" where this actually happened I would have bet on them surviving. People be talking about plot armor but ain't no one talking about unrealistic plot targets.
@@nickprezzo It's always been for personality traits of them or others. I wouldn't say Ned died because of his hubris.
All these wights humping the main characters wasn't enough reason to kill of a couple of them? It would've felt arbitrary? Or the moment all those wights were climbing on Drogon, and when Dany fell of and Drogon flew away suddenly there were no wights very close to here and not enough wights to overrun her and Jorah together? I can go on and on like this, but I feel this illustrates my point quite well.
Visibility? Low
Plot armor? Extra thicc
Logic? Out the window
NK? Slayed
I could go on but it is just tiring to continue.. I’m just numb at this point
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Muppen 01 FUUUUCK TOO LATE!!
Please, continue.
You need glasses if you couldn't see sorry to burst your bubbles guys.
So the chararacters YOU think should have died didn't so it's plot armor? Pffft....there is still a lot of story left to kill people....As a matter of fact...more show is left than people to kill actually.
Arya rolled a natural 20 on stealth and the White Walkers rolled natural 1's on perception.
"green sight"
Nat 20 on D&D refererence
What a joke, these shills think Cercei is a bigger threat than a 10000 year old epidemic of death that the likes of Bran the Builder and House Stark has defended the wall against for decades. SMH
@@Crozbozy Decades? 😛
I hear ya my D'D buddy!
"They didnt sacrifice realism for spectacle"
Lmfao what is this channel? A parody?
@@viracocha You sound like such an idiot right now. They sacrificed ALL the realism for spectacle.
EP114587 1-putting catapults outside the wall. 2-charging your entire cavalry into the dark. 3-the red witch comes from the same direction as the wights. 4- multiple characters becoming covered in wights and surviving because the camera cuts away. 5- some of the smartest characters in the show decide to put people in a crypt while fighting a necromancer. 6- daenyrous has to see to shoot fire despite the fact that dragons are living creatures that don’t need to see to shoot fire. 7- if you try to claim it was to avoid ally casualties your wrong because there not near any allies. 8- the night king grabbed aryas neck and didnt leave a mark but when he grabbed bran in earlier seasons it leaves a mark on his arm. 9- despite the dathraki charing into the undead and D&D calling it “essentially the end of the dathraki” half the dathraki survive this battle. 10- the unsullied army survives despite being entirely overrun.
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I like you guys, always giving some nice insight and a new perspective to things.
First off, if the best villain is one that we dont know shit about. That makes Cercei the worst Villain in the Show.
Did you guys watch the "Inside the Episode" and heard the actual reason why Arya got the kill? Because noone thought that she would get the kill. Rightly so, she has no connection to this Storyarc whatsoever.
They could have done so much more with it, give Bran atleast a line that he throws at the NK. Even if its just "I was waiting for you".
Jamie could have redeemed himself finally in the eyes of the Starks. Fookin Kingslayer. Yknow. Give him a moment face to face with the NK, even if he gets tossed over the Wall.
We saw a glimps of how Powerful the NK truly was, with his Snowstorm. And Ultrasonic speed reactions. Why would he be afraid to kill Jon, or atleast show him that he is no match.
The Generals of the WWs, atleast give them so fighting scenes. They werent afraid before to go into battle doing the dirty work, why are they sissified now.
This Episode didnt drive the plot forward whatsoever, all it did was kill some characters that didnt matter anymore and weaken Danys Army. We didnt get any info whatsoever, still hope Bran explains some things next episode. But how did the people survive the first long night before? They clearly didnt kill the WWs, so what was the deal there if he was killable that easy.
Ofc we are gonna lose some more Characters down the road, and probably a Dragon too. But for what? We already hate Cercei, and for what other reason would a character die now?
Might also wanna point out how fucking cheap Ghost looked in this Episode.
Waiting nearly 10 Years for exactly this Episode, and this is what we got. And they thought their battle is gonna be the best TV Battle ever, even better than Helms Deep. I dont think so.
Episode 2 was completly wasted, setting up peoples last moments all episode long. Just for them to survive EZPZ.
I agree with most of that epic rant xD. But it's possible the WW's were pussified because for the first time ever, the NK saw one of them get killed by Jon at Hardhome with valyrian steel. That probably made him more cautious going forward. In fact I'm surprised the NK even exposed himself in this battle when he didn't need to. He didn't even need to ride the dragon because he can control it remote control like all the others. He could have had his generals or the wights finish everyone off at Winterfell except for Bran. There was no reason for him to approach Bran with all those characters and possible threats still alive. He had been so patient up until that moment.
@@eternalreign2313 Yes to everyone being killed except Bran. Night King walks up to Bran and Bran is like "I've been waiting for you" and Night King is all "Hello old friend." Then we get a crazy montage of the history of the three eyed raven and the night King's looong history that explains everything, then boom the show is over. Episode 4, 5, and 6 never existed. Biggest plot twist ever.
There, I wrote a much better ending. Where is my million dollar screenwriting contract?
That's probably one of the worst parts about this episode, it made episode 2 pretty much pointless.
@@eternalreign2313 Basically if you think about the plot progression AT ALL the whole thing
falls apart...
Alex Roberts this comment is spot on
"Realistic take" is the funniest thing I've ever heard anyone say after this episode
well, like he says, the world is fantasy, but they used more realistic lighting. etc.
14:29 bran went to see endgame 🤣🤣
i know right these guys are so hard on GoT they cant tell whats reality anymore... stop using drugs @Nerd Soup ........
Just because it is a world filled with fantasy elements doesn't mean that the standards the show had set for character mortality don't apply. Yes people can be brought back from the dead, yes there are dragons, yes there are zombies, but if a person who is not a zombie is surrounded by 50 zombies with weapons trying to kill you for 30 minutes backed against a wall and you don't die, that breaks the illusion and the suspension of disbelief.
I think the problem is similar to Star Wars or other IPs that were once good, but have slowly devolved in quality or never regained the elusive mix of being well written and executed. Initially people are reluctant to admit that something they have liked for so long is no longer any good and does not uphold the standards that gave rise to its popularity in the first place. Referring back to the aforementioned Star Wars, The Phantom Menace was well received when it first came out. Over time it became widely panned as the worst Star Wars movie to the point of being horrible. Ten years later Force Awakens comes out and people think its the second coming, then Last Jedi is divisive and hate rises and a contingent of people are making a case that the prequels actually weren't so bad. Part of this I believe is due to the lack of originality of the Force Awakens, but the denial of that fact because people wanted so badly for star wars to be back, to recapture that nostalgia.
Granted that last line could be applied to my feelings on GoT, I enjoyed the stakes, writing and execution of the early seasons, but lately it feels similar in quality to a Michael Bay movie. Tons of cool looking action that isn't really cohesive in a narrative sense. And yes action set pieces very much have the ability to display narrative cohesion, the airport scene in Cap 'Merica Civil War displays cohesive narrative of action.
The action sets lately in GoT to me come off as a bunch of cool looking individual scenes that, when put together don't add up to a coherent/cohesive narrative that adhere to the reality of the stakes created established prior for the show.
Sorry for the rant, and I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but it seems there has been a lot of divisiveness in GoT lately and I'm just putting my take out there.
Why? In reality there are no prophecies. A single cut by a dagger can kill any man. That's real and fun, because it's sudden as reality always is. When you get diagnosis for terminal cancer you don't say to yourself "That wasn't my prophecy!" either.
realistic you kidding me man!? the main characters were backed in a corner swamped so many times were other people died, they just yell a bit and are fine not even a scratch!
I can’t tell if this entire review is sarcastic or not, because everything they like is what is bad with this episode.
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Opinion maybe?
It looks to me George Martin and d&d definitely fell out.
The books can't end like this.
No. George told them how it ends. They are following it
@@ericamarie11895 God I hope not. It's night and day watching everything after the books.
D&D stated that they came up with the idea of Arya killing The Night King. Heck, there is no Night King in the books, so at least that will be different to the travesty I witnessed last night.
There’s one last “twist” to come apparently. Pretty sure we didn’t see it in this episode 🤞🏼
The books will never end they wont be completed atleast not by GRRM
This show had the potential to be the greatest of all time and they've fucked it big time it became popular from its well crafted story that's not afraid to defy the norms to "Generic TV Show #5343"
The Kingsman , and yet you still watch.Gtfoh
The visuals and direction were too stunning to call it generic imo. But its definitely gone down as far as storytelling and plotting these last few seasons.
That's a little but of a stretch. Dont you think?
In some ways this episode was a failure, but in some, it did defy the generic norms in spades. For example, Jon Snow is not Azor Ahai, as confirmed by Melisandre. How's that for generic TV Show norm denial? Yet all Jon's fans are now, excuse me, butthurt all over Internet. :) From that we can conclude that regardless of what they're saying, what they wanted from the show was a most generic "a noble hero overcomes evil" plot. P.S. But these HBO guys really need to learn how to write scenarios without plotholes and plot armor :(.
agreed
I have to respectfully disagree with your opinions on this episode guys. I'm kind of disappointed that Cersi is pegged as the last villain.
I'm not sure how this subverted our expectations? Most of us suspected that the remaining survivors of the fight at Winterfell would band together to fight Cersei. Killing the NK off this way just felt rushed to me.
The show is call "game of throne". Not game of living and the dead
If you watch the show from the beginning to the end it clearly sets the white walkers as the final villain. They are the threat that's been looming on the background since episode 1.
@@Natureofportraits Yea the story is actually called song of ICE and fire
Asamii actually the book is call a song of Ice and fire. This a knock off tv series (Game of Throne of the book.
They had to kill the NK here. They had huge armies and two dragons. If they lost here, it was over for the living.
The threat is cersie? I’m sorry but multiple time the show has told us that “the only war that counts is the Great War” and they jus ignore that altogether now.
Even Mel said "This war of 5 kings means nothing, the true threat lies to the north"
@@jdvisualz3391 she forgot to add. Only for an 80 minute period.
6/10 beautiful looking plot armored battle with no story substance.
TenthOf ADime Yeah! Since when has game of thrones been about white walkers attacking from the north!?
Are you new?
Nope. It’s a 9/10 at least. Y’all way too self absorbed to realize you just watch maybe the greatest episode of TV ever. The spectacle. The epic ness.
6/10 is quite generous imo
Apparently only plot armor is as strong as Valyrian steel
Andrew Gibbons you’re delusional 😂 they almost had it. If the night king was allowed to finish the job it would have been. It was brilliance until the end and they came in with a lame not so surprising ending.
D and D have seriously made me not believe for 1 second that any main character would die during the battle, even when Jon/ Dany were surrounded by a hundred wights. The plot armour is thicc af
T Series Stan 😍 So you wanted everyone to die and the Night King to win?
The plot armor will be melted into the iron couch so the main cast can rule together...
Agreed. The second they passed the books they started this typical main character plot armor bullshit.
People love this series because Martin doesn’t adhere to the typical hero tropes but D&D just completely ignore this.
Amelia C. He also managed to get past hundreds of walkers
Look at the bright side: now the good sis Cersei has the change to off them
The acting was great, the directing was phenomenal, the writing was absolute trash. Filled with plot armor and deus ex machina. I'm kinda scared for SWTOR that they want to write. The battle was fun but the Battle of the Bastards was better imo.
1. Battle strategy was a joke.
2. All this build up for the night king and the army of the dead to die in one episode. They should have started this battle in season 7.
3. I hope we find out a more detailed reason as to why they existed, otherwise, they were just evil for evil's sake. Which I thought George RR Martin was trying to avoid...
4. All the tension between Jon and the night king for nothing. Jon didn't fight him once! I'm curious as to why they bothered bringing Jon back to life? If they really wanted to give Arya the kill, Jon could have lost a 1v1, be about to die and she comes in to kill him! (Their reasoning was stupid, "she was the best candidate because we weren't thinking about her." Fuck off...)
5. Almost no one dies. Where's the consequences for their choices? Losing most of her army? That can't be it.
6. Bran was kinda useless? Maybe I missed something? I know he was trying to draw the night king out but...idk could have maybe done more?
Idk, just my opinions.
I must be the only one who's never seen any buildup between Jon and the NK. He was trying to gather the army in the North, sure. But any kind of personal buildup seems to be an idea that fans came up with.
AVeryHappyFish At Hardhome when the NK and Jon have the stare off as the NK raise the dead. Battle beyond the wall when Jon tries to go after the NK while they have a stare off then Jon gets knocked into the lake. Jon saying he will go and try to kill the NK during the battle plan meeting. The show always bring up the prophecies about the long night and always hinting at Jon ending it. All those things done by the show leads people to believe the NK was Jons main enemy.
I agree with you on everything, but there have been multiple fights between the living and the Others. So I don't really think a battle that lasts 12 days at Winterfell from season 7 would make any reasonable sense, seeing as in the dead don't rest
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I agree almost entirely, except I don't think you know what deus ex machina is.