Game of Thrones | Season 8 Episode 3 'The Long Night' Review
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I think the GOT writers forgot:
- Tyrion is supposed to be smart.
- Daenerys is magic.
- Arya can change faces.
- Bran can see the past, and warg into cooler things than birds.
- Dire wolves are awesome.
- The other white walkers can fight people.
- And Main characters can die.
The last one is important. You should add all the prophecies and all that snizzle...
Totally agree.. They forgot the essence of GOT
Thats what happens when they dont have to follow the books for the last season. All this shit is no longer canon, and is going to turn into cookie cutter bullshit.
They forgot to tie in any meaning at all.
good points
They didn't build a 300 mile long, 700 foot high ice Wall to protect against Cersei frickin Lannister
Fucking good point.
I hope this can be rectified in 2187 when the final book comes out.
best argument , ever
The wall was build to protect the nk from cersei xd
Exactly. Episode one scene one, the White walkers are pushed first and foremost before you even meet any of the actual characters of the show. At this point Cersei wasn't even a villain. This series is a joke and once everyone sees the last three episodes, then they will realise it.
First time ive completely disagreed with you guys. Really felt you guys were reaching to cover so many poor decisions in this episode. Smart characters make stupid choices. Jorah died to a few whites while brienne and Jamie are surrounded by hundreds and nothing. It's missing so much. It's embarrassing, d&d really let the fans down.
Yeah literally took the words outta my mouth here, seems out of character for these guys to cover up this much BS. D&D certainly let the fans down as well, Im not sure why any 'non-casual' fan would be okay with how the show did the 'ole bait and switch with the Night King. (Also how dumb the tactics were as well, but sad to say I expected that)
Highest rated episode since Red Wedding btw. Guess they only let down you. Who wanted a generic evil monster bad guy in a world you fuckin fools praised for it's realism. Learn how to shut the fuck up it might save you some dignity.
The night king wasn’t a generic evil monster. Even though they were never explained properly in the show, all of his actions were perfectly justifiable.
Nerd soup made a video about it in fact about a year ago titled “what does the night king want.”
I guess people are just upset how 9 years of buildup all ended in a cheap move from Arya.
@@cleopop7609 I'd say within the shows version of GoT he was, the children made him and bran explained that he just wanted the death of the world. So yes you are right in that there is more to his story; he was made to kill man to win the war against the first men. I'm happy regarding his backstory and the episode a real good one but the payoff underwhelming (maybe due to the amount of theory videos I've watched with way cooler explanations as to why the NK did what he did)
@@cleopop7609 Agreed.
"They didnt sacrifice realism for spectacle"
*looks at the God awful strategy design specifically to result in pretty cinematography* right
Yea, the dothraki charge was awesome to see, but nothing any military general would ever do. Especially if the enemy is undead zombies, that have no problem with being trampled down by a horse.
@@bobysze yeah. Which to explain I'm ok with unrealistic battle strategies if they have a cool enough pay off, but GoT has always been about realism. So this really feels incongruous with the rest of the show and books
@@thatonestormtrooper2760 Oh sure, it doesn't always have to be realistic. But explaining the darkness with realism, when most of the battle was just done for cool shots is a bit cheap.
In my opinion GoT likes battles in the dark, because it's a lot cheaper. You don't need as many extras, not as much CGI and it still seems like a huge battle.
They have a big budget, but 15 million is still nothing compared to a movie. And if you look at how much the actors cost, the tier A ones (which includes Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, the actor for Jaime!) get halve a million an episode each, then you have to save somewhere.
What irks me more, is that they need to show dragons in every episode, but Ghost is now only a biggish dog with very little screen time. But that's a different topic...
@@bobysze oh yeah I dont blame them for filming at night. They could have tried to do a bit of a better job in at least making it visible but I understand the unfortunate reality of television
@@bobysze even worse when you realize without Melisandre they were going to charge like that with weapons that have zero effect on the enemy. Charge them with iron/steel, we know it will absolutely not kill them.
Sam's plot armor came from Jeor Mormont. "Tarly I forbid you to die"
Who would've known Joer was a fucking wizard with super effective spells
Samwell Tarly, Slayer of White Walker and Thenn, Forbidden to Die.
I accept this.
Turns out, tears are a man's best weapon against the dead since that's when we last saw Sam. Sorry, Sam lol
Jeor’s orders are ABSOLUTE. His death doesn’t negate that order!
I think we have to come to terms with the fact that Bran isn't special he is just a handicapped socially awkward millennial kid who plays angry birds during important life events.
OMG I'm laughing so hard right now!
Dustin H
He decided the great war by giving arya the dagger in season 7 which killed the night king
Thank you Dustin, you made it all worthwhile
Now I kinda feel okay about this, thank you.
From what I hear of D&D with pranks, and what I see from what they've done with this masterpiece, this is way way more plausible than any fan theory about anything lol
“It was always a conflict between humans” The first scene of the entire show is about the conflict between humans and the White Walkers.
Thank you
Plus the writers spent the last two seasons pointing out how the political struggle of Westeros paled in comparison to the *real* world ending threat, that of the NK and the army of the dead . Now they did a complete 180...
I'm not defending this episode because it was terrible. But GRR Martin has said that the ultimate goal of writing in his opinion is the human heart in conflict with itself. He also said there will be war but it will end with a whimper instead of a roar. I think D&D got the main points but the majorly F-D it up with the details.
It's called A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. A Game of Thrones is the name of the first book. The central theme of the series is how these petty fights for who gets to sit on the Iron Throne are meaningless and there's something more important and unstoppable that requires everyone to unite to fight to the death. Did these people even read the books? If they did, they probably understood them like the showrunners.
Shiii this is my third comment to get over a hundred like on this video
over the past 3 seasons they have been saying it doesn't matter who sits on the iron throne that the dead are the true enemy and now its about people squabbling over a throne
thats why its called game of thrones
@@domigames2041 based off a song of ICE AND FIRE. It's about how the game of thrones is petty and the north is the true danger
@@tebo9334 Its based off song of ice and fire. but a tv show is its own thing. So that does not mean it has to have the same main threat.
@@domigames2041 fine. But what was the point of the white walkers then? The game of thrones was constantly shown as a distraction with the night king being the real threat.
@@tebo9334the point was the majority of fans of hbo’s series a game of thrones were entertained, surprised, heartbroken by deaths, and full of joy for those that survived.
Argue finer points and empty storylines from the book, and cry out “what ifs” from the direction you wanted the story to take. At the end of the day, the loud minority took to social media calling out for rewrites and redo’s! The quiet majority enjoyed the series for what it was and had a great time investing 10 years of their lives into a television series. Good day to you sir, may you find enjoyment in entertainment media and rid yourself of the hate you carry.
Walder Frey killed more main characters than The Night King
Jack Yes, because that furthered the story. If the NK killing main characters would have pushed the story forward, then more characters would be dead right now.
Just like Oberyn died unceremoniously and with grand potential, so did the army of the dead. Bad guys aren’t immune to shock porn either, even if it feels more unorthodox when the good guys are the recievers.
Even villians lose quickly in this show. Deal with it.
Ed Sheeran got more backstory than night king
Måns Rydberg wow
CGCentral HD What do you mean? We did get the Night King’s backstory. He’s an A.I. that was programmed to kill humanity and restore nature’s balance, but went rogue and started ending all life when the Children of the forest lost control of them.
The White Walkers were an intelligent biological weapon. That’s all the backstory there is. Don’t like it? Tough, that’s your loss and your problem. The show, and the books, owe you nothing.
@@m0zric ok GoT fanboy keep accepting shit. You'll realise it was probably worth criticising instead of defending every shitty decision. I swear Jamie could turn into superman and you would defend it
The screen is dark and the script is full of errors
Underrated comment!
Ayoub KAMALI For the show is dark, and full of errors **
Lmao great job
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
lol
"They didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle?" DID WE WATCH THE SAME EPISODE LOL
Yep exactly.
Yeahhh, actually said out loud 'What the FUCK are you TALKING ABOUT' when I heard that.
Exactly!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews!
The Man of the Reversed Cross you all ask for too much. Enjoy the entertainment given to you, it’s hard to execute a tv show with movie quality.
I actually understand where they are coming from. In many ways I thought that most individual moments felt gritty and realistic in the context of a fantasy world. It was the writing decisions, not the way it was filmed, which felt ridiculous.
You wanna talk about realism? They charged their Calvary into the pitch black 😂😂
Well... up until then it was established that nothing could match a Dothraki charge in an open field. Not that I don't think it's a stupid tactic. Would have been smarter to clean up behind lines of dug in and shielded off Unsullied.
But if you want to bait out the NK's dragon and you're thinking the Dothraki can deal with a wave of undead at least for some time, I'm kiiiinda ok with accepting it as a cinematic device.
at least Leroy got his chicken.
If they were going for realism, none of the defenders would have been positioned outside the walls. Somebody on the war council should have had sense enough to suggest the Dothraki be stationed atop the walls and armed with bows. I thought it was a nice touch with the flames slowly going out tho.
Everything about their plan made no sense. Why put the ditch as the last line of defence? Put it in the fucking front and make it as wide as possible. Make it impassable so that the undead have no option but to funnel through a narrow section guarded by all the unsullied (remember that movie 300?)
Hide the dothraki somewhere and have them surprise flank the undead instead of sending them head on and ALONE right off the bat.
I swear I was losing brain cells while watching this episode.
@@michaelwong6050 same!!!
New words of House Stark: Winter is fine, no worries.
LOL yep pretty much. Winter is meh.
Or maybe summer is here!
Winter is Overrated
Winter is a little chilly for a couple hours, pack a blanket
your comment is perfect
Apparently the spirals the NK and the children of the forest made, represented everyone’s theory’s and expectations going down the drain.
WORD... sadly .. lol
This comment is highly underrated.
Scott.W 😂😂😂😂
Expectations? Nah. I loved it. It met the hype. It was always about the battle between people in the end.
Casual⬆️⬆️⬆️
They didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle? What? It seems you watched something else, was sam swiming through wights and surving realistic, or the way the other characters were thrown into inescapeable situations, but the camera cuts out and they are still alive realistic?
Bossu Hotilor I think they were talking more about the way it filmed visually rather than the plot - dark, frantic, confusing etc.
Bossu Hotilor I agree. Sam should’ve either died or stayed his chunky, lovable ass in the crypts.
Way too much show love, all the story is out the window. Cersei>NK? Such a bad explanation.
Nerd Soup is clearly in the first stage of grief: denial.
😂😂 I must have skipped that step, but I'm definitely feeling some major grief over GOT.
It's either that or they were that stupid from the very beginning.
@@adimazga Just because people don't feel the same way you do about a bloody tv episode doesn't make them stupid lol. It just strikes me as bratty when people whinge about not getting what they wanted, and declaring those who don't agree with you as stupid
@@calvotama6460 So getting served shit when you ordered caviar, and complaining about it makes you a brat?
Calvo Tama Don’t be naive, anyone with a brain who watches this episode would notice that it’s complete trash. If you think otherwise you’re in denial it’s a simple as that, that’s not to say there aren’t great moments - because there are, but they do not offset the obvious errors in the episode which affects it from being a good episode.
Sam literally was under a pile of wights yet he survived
All this time we just thought Sam was fat. Turns out he is wearing more layers of plot armor than anyone.
MikeJr TheThird there was also a scene where greyworm seemed to be overwhelmed / swarmed, but when it cut back to him, he was somewhere else and fine.
They did that with almost every main character at some point.
reminded me of the bullshit kirkman pulled with glenn under the dumpster in walking dead.
Yeah that one was indefensible esp when Jon leisurely leaves him in the dog pile like you got this Sam the slayer
three freaking times I was so freaking disappointed!!! Keeping all of Tyrion, Sam, Bran, amd Davos, makea no sense
People keep saying it will be all politics now, well that's great and all, but where were they in the past few seasons ? The political aspects of the show vanished, the scheming characters kept getting dumber and dumber and being ridiculed. The show took a left turn and we were MADE to expect high fantasy and not the realistic harsh reality that was the identity of the show at first. And now we're supposed to take another left turn and go back to the schemes and politics ? It will not work, it will not make a satisfying ending.
one of the better arguments.
Best comment I came across
People dont understand Faceless man. they worship the stranger, seventh god of the seven god. They believe Death is a mercy for life and agony. they are not just SIMPLE ASSASSINS. And if she is a facless man , her "job" would be to in a way bring mercy to the world, buy KILLING it, aka letting the Nk kill Bran. But she stated she is NOT "NO ONE" she is ARYA STARK when in Bravos at the end, so how d fuck in the last 3 season is she an op master killer, when she abandon in a way that path, and trained WITH A FUCKING STICK The WORST thing is now Mellisandra said Green eyes too witch means Cersi, so arya will kill cersi ? But that would be utter bullshit, but wait, if she dose NOT KILL CERISE the whole PROPHECY taht as made up by D6D about Mellisandra telling that to Arya is WRONG TOO! So they fuck up there own WRONG world building that they changed to just change it in ep probably 6 again ? Now that MAKES NO GOD DAMN SENSE. If Arya kills Cersi it will be a rant like no other, if she dose not it will be a rant cos why d fuck did she than kill the NK with Blue eyes ? Do you get me ? They are dumb as fuck
The whole story was supposed to be about how the politics were all petty and useless and that the real threat to everyone was north of the wall - something much less hard to understand or face, and something that a lot of people didn't even believe existed. So much for all the terror of "winter is coming" and "the night is dark and full of terrors". Now there's just a petty throne fight left.
Yep the show is fucking ruined now.
Yall need to go back and watch your 10 best and worst changes video and see what yall said about the ending with the white walkers and then what the show did here.
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Maome Kat I’ve never seen a Turkish soap opera...are they notoriously bad?
“Winter is coming”
*seven seasons later*
“Winter is here”
*one stab with a dagger*
“Aaaaand it’s gone”
Are you sure it's over?
MrTw2009 what else are you expecting?
@@NiraSader the season isn't over.
but they’re gonna focus on Cirsei and Euron as the main villains from now on, with only three episodes left what kind of epic twists do you think they would pull?
@@NiraSader I don't want to say anything because it will sound crazy, but I just don't buy that we have seen the last of the white walker threat. I could be totally wrong.
Why is nobody talking about the fact that Ghost was CLEARLY not written into this season, and just slapped into scenes where no one acknowledges he is even there. He is a legit ghost.
THANK YOU! It seems so obvious that Ghost was just half-assedly edited into random scenes post writing and filming to try to keep the direwolf fans from complaining.
Androwyah right? They just put the wolves on the way-side. I still am pulling for ghost to be alive
They also forgot about the Knights of the Vale which are no where to be found...
Ghost is alive, he's in the episode 4 preview standing with everyone in front of Winterfell.
@@cj3ogrady He is alive. See episode 4 trailer and watch closely.
The Dothraki are experienced light calvery. They would have never made the massive mistake in the beginning. Totally unrealistic.
They were KNOWN as warriors of the field, frozen corpses should not have been capable of decimating them like they were fodder and WITH the FIREY SWORDS, HOW IS THIS PLAUSIBLE???? Until commanded by the night king, they stood at the fire Melisandra ignited almost naturally it felt like? So why didn’t the firey swords repel them the same way? He wasn’t really commanding them like he did then, so it just didn’t feel right, yo. Even if the White walkers were up at horse height, with the Dorhraki, idk man, they died like this because Plot. 🤷🏼♂️
They died because it's both expensive and dangerous to have that many horses in scenes like these.
What? The dothrakis whole MO is to angrily charge at their foes they are nomadic horselords, they fucked off before even Jorah wanted to go coz the flaming swords hyped them up so much lol
The Dothraki are bloodthirsty savages who's main method of attack is intimidate and overwhelm. The scene gave perspective on the battle after you try this tactic on a lifeless army that outnumbers you and can't be scared.
You die.
Dularr perhaps we were all supposed to be so busy subliminally reciting Tennyson’s “The Charge of the Light Brigade” we would not notice? Or, blame the “generals”? Yep. “Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply/ Theirs not to reason why/ Theirs but to do & die.”
Voldemort died in book 6 and now for book 7 we're going back to Hogwarts to finish our TRUE battle with Slytherin House. This is complete garbage storytelling. I don't care about the Houses anymore, Voldemort was supposed to be the true underlying threat since season 1, episode 1, scene 1. Bran better be the real NK or this will be the worst series finale in TV history.
Trackline good analogy
Spot on. Like Vader dying in Cloud City from Leia force punching him and then we find out Jabba is the true villian! I can hear this channel now "ThIs Is HoW iT wAs AlWaYs MeAnT tO bE!"
8 seasons was about "The only war is the one for the living, the rest is squabbling". Well, it's back to the squabbling.
Fanboys went from "Politics don't matter anymore the night is here!" to "Lol it was always about the political human drama all along!" real fucking quick.
would u prefer they all die? i didnt mind how it played out, couldve been worse thi
@@billqiu4692 That is too fucking funny, I hadn't even considered that.
What a great way to sell this series ha
It’s like greed can piss on anything just for a bit more money
How in the bloody 7 Kingdoms of Westeros did Samwell Tarly survive?
Him and Davos. Neither did anything. Well Sam got Ed killed, but that's about it.
Okay, I know I'm mad about one of the big five not dying but yeah Sam should have at least been goners.
plot armor
knowledge
Jon Greyworm Jamie and Brianne should have died also
Me in seasons 1-4 : please don't kill characters
Me this season : why aren't you killing more characters?!
I understand praising the technical and cinematic achievement that this episode clearly was, but you guys clearly had fanboy glasses to miss the fact that storywise this episode was a dumpster fire that ignored so many plot threads.
Do your own podcast.
@@t.k.1319 😂😂😂got em
"They didn't sacrifice realism for a spectacle" ... are you kidding me? The plot armor was thicker than Pod's rod!
you mean how it's always been in game of thrones? Or basically any other show?
@@saidmarin4101 A Song of Ice and Fire and the series literally got so popular because it was a fantasy based in reality. If you can find Hollywood bullshit like this in the books or the first 4 seasons I'll give you $100. Have some fucking standards
Arya running past 100 weights and all the white walkers. Real af.
the whole reason why Jorah is where he was at the end of the episode is Dany didn't took off after helping Jon. Drogon is just there waiting for the plot to continue instead getting mother of dragons to safety because they need a poetic way for Jorah to meet his end, and that's just dumb
I’m sure the main characters had really good reasons for being the only ones without helmets.
this is the equivalent of thanos dying halfway into infinity war and loki is the main bad guy for endgame
Exactly!!!
That is literally the most accurate description of this ending I have ever heard
Or Last Jedi, it's literally last jedi. Maybe they got that degenerate Rian Johnson to write this episode.
dude... way too spoil it for me...
Lachy 'JJ' Mckillop Not even close 😂
Holy shit you guys completely missed the point of the whole story
I knew you were going to be a little too forgiving, but I didn't expect you to take the full length of this narrative failure down your throat.
Someone enjoyed something that you didn't. Get over it.
Jake Randal, this is like expecting a brand new game console for Christmas, only to get a pile of dog shit, while your brother mocks you and says “what? You don’t like it? God you are just impossible to please!”
Oy Mate well, no. No it’s fucking not.
@@clovisno756 It kind of is...
@@raryraru opinion….it might be hmmm?
I think the reason everyone, me included, wants more death lately is because they keep faking us out. They put major characters in situations where there is no way they could live, and then save them. It leaves us yelling "bullshit, they should be dead" about our favourite characters. They needed to just tone it down with the fake suspense.
Agreed. And they've been sacrificing realism for a surprise factor. But is surprise really that impressive if, while surprised, you keep thinking "c'mon, this is so convenient, this could never have happened"...
Exactly. Look at Glen and the dumpster in Walking Dead for the prime example of plot twisted to serve false danger. To see GoT reduced to that boils my blood.
Only retards would kill half the cast before the end...
@@Lugrer3113
But wasn't that the whole appeal of the show? That everyone could die at any moment?
@@Pumbear That's a layman's point.
Death dosent mean anything if they just kill characters for the sake of killing them with no strong purpose to their death.
The story is more important then the fan kill count.
When GRRM is catching up with the books and gets to this fight, the chapter is gonna be printed black on slightly lighter black
*IF
i liked that it was dark, but i loove this comment
best way of putting it
The guy is 70 and it's been 8 years since his last book, and there are two more... I hate to say it, but it's possible Game of Thrones is the only ending we're going to get.
@@peterbabicki8252 The lord of light will bring him back. He has a purpose to fulfill.
What was the the point of a NK in the first place? The problem with Cersei is that she never sees the big picture, now there isn't a big picture for her to realise how flawed she is.
This. There's no repercussions. They've been hitting us over the head for years now that the throne is irrelevant in the face of an existential threat, telling us that there are more important things to fight for than something so material and so toxic. Now Cersei is getting rewarded for clinging to a pointy chair and Jon and Dany punished for actually doing something human and meaningful? What is even the message anymore? Now suddenly the throne IS more important than everything else after all? Also, are the White Walkers going to have any lasting impact on what happens next? If Jon and Dany and Sansa all just go right back to petty squabbling, then nothing was really learned or achieved from this conflict, was it? Was the Night King ultimately just a cheap plot device to nerf Jon and Dany by whittling down their armies, thus making Cersei a credible threat? Where's the depth and catharsis in that?
I always thought the whole point behind the dead was expose the main issue with squabbling over the throne. They were too busy fighting over the throne while the threat of the dead continued to rise. Cersei continued to ignore the threat, and somehow, we are not supposed to see that as a flaw. Instead it is treated like it is some kind of genius power move. Here is to hoping Cersei made some sort of pact with the Great Other.
@@ArcRogerr They could have at least had Jamie die in the battle saving Brienne. That way Cercei would get the news that the only one left who she loves died fighting in a battle that she refused to participate in. If they did everything else the same they could have still at least done this. But now Cercei was totally right to keep her troops back and will never know the true threat they were facing. In fact, nobody will really know and the whole thing feels so pointlessly cheap. Also, how did Tormund not die taking out a WW general or something? Is he going to go fight for the throne now? WTF?
Usually you guys do a pretty good job with this stuff. Couldnt even make it through this one...
Agreed!
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Alt Shift's Review Is Better
@@maomekat2369
Neutral?
Fading Faze will have to check it out.
Nerd soup: “if ghost died like that, it would be disappointing “
Night king: am I a joke to you
Yes, the night king was apparently a joke to D&D
What are you talking about? the way the guy that was set to be the biggest threat of the show was shank like a prison bitch was EPIC!!!
@@rodzila8314 good writing and build up>epic moments
Arya Stark with the longest broad jump in history... Even Maisie Williams (a pretty damn good actor all things considered it) claimed to dislike the way it was done
@@Miller09095 Where?
"It makes sense guys, the red women said that one line that one time in that one season"
Vs
7 seasons of Jon's arc in the north.
Then they had the balls to tell that she said that to Arya years before they planned on her killing the nk lol
@@suzukisixk7 apoarently those bastards decided it back then which to me just makes it even worse
That prophecy is so vague it can apply to anyone, and people pretend like this is some sort of super clever foreshadowing, what a joke.
Jon's arc was up to this point was to unite mankind against the army of the dead, which he did. And if he didn't Arya, Bran, Mel, etc would never had been in a position to stop the long night before it started.
@@zachpulido5972 yes, Ive thought "blue eyes" were LF since the convo in season 3
the white walkers were the first episode..................first scene...it was the GoT introduction ffs...
One of the very few cold opens as well, right? Jfc before the first time ever seeing the credits, even more in your face "this is going to be super important".
@@iloveyourunclebob we didn't even know who the Starks or the Lannisters were and we had already seen the white walkers... and off they went! These two are in such denial, they convinced themselves that this was great! Specially Aaron, he keeps describing shit that wasn't there! LOL
It's funny how there are so many theories who the Night King was and his true motives on RUclips, including this channel. Yet this episode just craps all over those theories, making them trivial content now. In other words, although Episode 3 had great cinematic scenes, it greatly suffered the last Jedi effect. Also, speaking of the last Jedi, Arya kills the Night King the way Rey defeats one of Snoke's red guards. How original. 😏
That was exactly what i was thinking, i got so many TLJ vibes. And that isnt a good thing
Except that Arya's was foreshadowed in season 7, months before The Last Jedi. You're point is invalid.
@@tipsyryno936 That actually makes it worse. It's copy and paste at its finest. But hey, if you liked episode 3 and Arya turning into a Mary Sue, then more power to you.
They already answers those questions in the show
Ryan Harris Except they did not foreshadow how she dropped the dagger into another hand and jabbed into his heart… So your point is invalid :)
Night King: Am i a joke to you
HBO: Yes you are
This is the one series where they should've gone slow and added another season, this is so damned rushed it's gonna end up messing up all of GoT
Well being that this series is fictional I guess its all a joke lol.
@@FunkMastaMegaFlex Casual
He's basically GoT's Snoke
@@twitched4049 Not really, I lost faith in the show during season 6. I'm more jealous of people like you. I wish I was so easily entertained. Like you know how you can entertain a baby by just jingling keys in front of it's face? You remind me of that
Season 7: there is only one war that matters,the Great War. And it is here
Season 8: JK
Almost as though people are flawed. Unfortunately we just don't have fantasy literature which plays on this... Oh wait.
"great war" it was literally a 2 hour battle fuck this show
GoT is about politics and who could be the best ruler of the seven kingdoms, not about fighting some one dimensional Big Baddie
@@c.a1019 I think the show has actually always been about people so obsessed over power that they refused to see the real threat. I sort of feel like making the Night King this one dimensional Big Baddie is pretty dissapointing for a show full of characters with complicated motivations.
@@TiJacQc18 Same, thats why the Night King arc is over now and the real fight begins
I can’t tell if this entire review is sarcastic or not, because everything they like is what is bad with this episode.
Exactly!!! Really guys... This is the famous need soup review for ep3. This review objectively was so neutral & tame to the point or being lame as if it was paid to be so overtly positive even to some of the bad things like absolutely bad lighting & char decisions. There can be a dark atmosphere with good lighting too. We don't need black screen to show you it's fog. And don't show Sam falling over 9times and still not getting hurt once. And it's super ok to have Arya kill the nk but don't make her teleport 10feet above all the zombies.
Do it better. Do this review again. Don't be afraid to say a few negative things where negative things are deserved.thia is got lvl production not some Turkish romantic soap opera!! Please do justice reviews! Disappointed beyond belief. There are opinion about ep 3 eg good or bad and then there is objective fact that lighting was objectively bad from a filmmaking perspective. And the plot armour was laughable. If you don't want 6 chars to not die this ep. No just don't make them fall 9 times and then stand up again next shot..
Opinion maybe?
The threat is cersie? I’m sorry but multiple time the show has told us that “the only war that counts is the Great War” and they jus ignore that altogether now.
Even Mel said "This war of 5 kings means nothing, the true threat lies to the north"
@@jdvisualz3391 she forgot to add. Only for an 80 minute period.
Just because something is unexpected and subverts expectations doesn't make it automatically good. Having Cersei killed by Hot Pie would still be a twist outta nowhere, but it'd be a shit ending.
A good twist should take you by surprise but then make you say "oh of course, that actually makes sense too". This episode did not do that for me.
All the book readers and critical reviewers have stated that this was a shit episode and was expecting the same from Nerd soup but I guess these guys are just casual fans as well.
true. If they were to really go down that path arya could just sneak up on cersi now and kill her...because obviously she can
Name one person in the show who can kill Arya
@@xex365 I fail to see how that's relevant to anything I said. But if you desperately want my answer, then I think multiple characters COULD kill Arya, depending on the context and circumstances around the fight. In addition, a lot of kills are made outside of battle. Cersei could blow the area Arya happens to be in to smithereens, Dany could blast her with dragonfire etc etc.
Arya also excels at being stealthy and taking down her enemies when they don't expect her, so in a one on one duel I think characters like the Hound could potentially overpower her.
Nordfjord the point was that you said that this was a twist but it was not she is a trained killer why would they wasted the whole thing in bravos and have her become a faceless man if she wasn’t going to do something
Also the pussy hound will not be able to kill her he leaves every battle he is in and lost to the big women who Arya already went toe to toe with
More main characters died in season 2 then in the biggest most hyped battle of the entire series
thats a full season and this is one episode. correct me if im wrong but it had the most main character deaths of any 1 episode
and if you consider how many ppl actually died it would be 100 times more than every death in the series
@@mrbones-pd8kpThis is at the end of the series where all our main characters have been introduced. I enjoyed the episode but after reading the books and seeing the earlier battles in the series The Great War" which is shrouded in prophecy is a tad underwhelming in terms of how main characters survived. Yeah thousands of soldiers died but we're not invested in them. So now we're gonna get like two episodes dedicated around the war against Cersei? Just saying the white walkers were dealt with pretty quickly considering
@@aidankuntz took the words right outta my mouth
That was the twist
I don't take the plot or characters too seriously anymore, but the fact you guys are actually praising the directing and editing of this episode is absolutely disturbing.
Could not agree more!!! It is a damn TV show, we need to see it!!!!
Maybe it’s an opinion and your jealous of the people who enjoyed it ?
This is the first stage of grief 😂🤣😂 they are justifying the shows crap.
Ghost is not dead...he can be seen in the background of the preview....
Where? I scanned so many times after I heard this..Is that him between Dany and Sam, everyone outside the gates
Ellen Behaney don’t worry he’s alive
@@ellen9575 Ghost is behind Sam when they are going to burn their dead
Mukul Pegasus Yea, that's the last we'll see him. I mean, Jon hasn't even said one word to him. He's really letting this whole "Dragon Rider" thing go to his head since he's neglecting his old buddy.
I was just coming here to say the same thing. Both he and Rhaegal are alive.
*_"And now my HYPE is ended"_*
Night King
The only HYPE left is Clegane Bowl
This is by far the worst commentary on an episode that I have seen from you guys.
The show is called “Game of Thrones” because that’s the title of the first book. That is the first book in a series called, “A Song of Ice and Fire.” The politics of who sits on the iron throne hasn’t been a big deal for awhile now. Jon says it himself in the last episode of season 7: “The only war that matters is the Great War, and it is here.” Cersei being the true “big bad” is terrible. The show has been leading to a showdown with the Night King since the first episode, not Cersei. Cersei only became a truly major force when she took the throne. Even so, her intimidation factor pales in comparison to the Night King. She has maybe 50,000 mortal men under her command, a mad scientist and a zombie. The Night King had over 100,000 dead who never tire, and exist solely to kill anything living, a group of white walker generals, of which not a single person in Cersei’s could touch, an undead dragon and of course, himself. He represented a truly terrifying threat to every character in the show. They pulled a DC. “You’ve killed Doomsday, our most powerful villain. Now, for Act 2, here’s Steppenwolf, who Superman could handle by himself. Tremble at his might!”
I literally could not care less about NK and am glad its over, the politics of war is what drew me into the entire world and we're finally getting back to it
Dude Cersei is the main villain in the books too. Apparently you're too dumb to realize that.
@@jacobhollander9484 The Night King hasn't been introduced in the books, and the Others as a whole barely written about to this point. Apparently you're too dumb to realize that.
@@calvotama6460 If we had known this would be the way he goes out, nobody in their right mind would've wanted to see him introduced at all.
Stan Marsh You mean YOU not we, I am fine with how this went and so are most people, like I said I never gave a shit about NK so no skin off my back about it
Hot Pie will kill Cersei simply because its unexpected, And these two guys are gonna love it
Fanny Pack Fitness I, for one, would love for Hot Pie to kill Cersei
Go cry some more
@@eXpas04 keep shilling
@@eXpas04 fanny pack's criticism is 100% justified
Gotta "subvert those expectations", right?
they didn't sacrifice realism for cinematic? lmao.
These two are just as stupid as dumb and dumber the producers!!!
Yeah, these two must be high on all the smell of their concentrated bullshit on that quote alone. There's not one realistic thing about this episode and every realistic choice is sacrificed for cinematic moments like the Dothraki charging and dying.
@jon snow he did charge stupid😂 he ran at him with a spear like he was on horseback with a lance. Theon didn't even try, it was stupid. The whole fucking episode sucked. No consequences and they threw 8 seasons of buildup out the window!
I stopped watching right at that quote
@@alaskanchristian4881 Jesus christ why are you guys watching them if yoh despise them so much? How dare people have opinions that aren't yours amirite
As Sansa said: The most heroic thing we can do now is look truth in the face.
We have to face that GoT has become a shell of it’s former self and it has abandoned its core values. It became cookie cutter mainstream fanfic with mediocre writing and just have been subverted ala Last Jedi.
I don’t hate the show. I just have lost the awe of what once was a great series.
I’ll enjoy the last episodes as much as I possibly can and hope that there will be some redeeming quality to it, but I am not convinced.
Let just hope that at least one more book comes out and we get what we ‘have paid for’.
Hey Arya, did they teach you to scream before attacking in order to be extra stealthy as an assassin? Great training....
She wanted him to turn around so she could stab him where she did, which was the only way to kill him. The scream and the knife flip were part of the plan.
ShipGirl Sure she did. Hey how did she escape from that room?
Jon: we are victorious!
Bran: we don't have time for this. Cersais has four elephants.
Sansa : what do dragons eat by the way?
Robert Galindo nice joke stolen from reddit my dude lmao
Robert Galindo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, how about making up your own jokes?
Jeremiah Brand ok
I swear Brienne, Sam, Jaime, Tormund, basically all the big characters were completely swarmed at one point or another during the battle and they didn’t receive one stab wound from it, some random gets swarmed and he literally gets torn to shreds in the span of 1 second ...
The level of plot armor these characters had was unbelievable, I completely forgot that I was watching the same show that had the Red Wedding, Ned’s execution, Hardhome, Oberyn vs The Mountain and a million other phenomenal sequences...
This is how I see it, if your going to throw all the build up out the window by killing the Night King in his first real battle with no reveal/twist/backstory then fine, okay, at least kill off the majority of the characters in doing so... who in this great green earth thought it was a good idea to kill the NK with no backstory at all and also keep 90% of the characters alive ... aaaand on top of that have NO White Walkers fight any characters during the entire battle... then proceed to sit back and think “I’ve satisfied the story, people will feel so fulfilled with this” put your feet up and smile...
my god
Sam literally looked like he was in a children's ball pit with all them zombies and dead bodies around him, he was having fun looool
Those were not battles those were actually story driven events that lead to those sequences, the only battle you listed was "Hardhome" and guess what? No major characters died in the battle. Did you throw a tantrum when Jon made it out alive as well?
That's because till season 4 or 5 they followed the book. As soon as they deviated or try to innovate they flucked and this episode 3 was one such where they literally fuc5ed up the writing part. Terribly disorganised writing.
SUPRATIK SARKAR - That makes zero sense, they stayed consistent with their main battles. How many main character have died in the previous 4 major battles? Obviously you’ve just started watching the show about a month ago. Everyone expected Jon to kill the NK and when that didn’t happen people lost their shit.... that’s GoT, you never truly get what you want. It stayed true to itself. Once your emotional tantrum is over you’ll be able to think more rationally.
@@luisofsuburbia no I have watched all the seven episodes. And it was all about the NK. At least we should have some magic to kill him or 2-3 episodes of some magic where bran will be a part. But this seemed so dull. A man who can't be killed with dragon fire is killed by valyrian steel. And kill Jaime, Sam at least. It makes sense. Still how brienne, Payne, gendry survived is a mystery. This is not the type of ending we expect in GOT.
“The best villains are the ones you don’t understand” yes that’s why everyone loved the ending of Mass Effect 3.
I love mass effect 3, but hate this ending. Also, Bran is also one of the biggest disappointments. Totally useless. And why did the night king want him? Because their explanation is so weak ... who cares that he is like a library? We have seen he can't do shit. He represents 0 danger. His special power is being a cripple. How sad.
In the last scene with the nk you expect one of them to do something, especially Bran. The tension is so high that you can't bear it ... and they waste it for shock value. How can Arya have the skills to just kill him like that with no help from something of a more magical nature?
Mihaela Muntean agreed , how cool wouldn't it be too have Bran prevent the nk from raising the dead he could think it's working at first but then have to fight Jon snow 1v1
I like that the Others in the books are so mysterious and we don't know anything about them really, this makes them scary villains, but I don't want to not know more about them by the end of the book series. Even if GRRM leaves it ambiguous or with a few possibilities like he likes to, need to know some more before the end. The show didn't make them satisfying villains imo.
Killing the night king in ep 3, and Cersei being the "real villain" is like killing sauron in two towers, and the men to the east are now the "real enemy"
All the fantasy in this 'medieval fantasy' is gone
Your analogy would only hold up if the easterlings had been a huge focus of the first two books. In fact, when Tolkien was thinking about ideas for a sequel, it was going to be almost exactly what your talking about.
Are you forgetting that George himself hates how LOTR ends in a big battle for evil and that he refuses to end his series like that ?
Have you read LOTR books?! Sauron is not the final villain; Saruman is!
“I really like how you can’t see anything that’s going on”
definition of denial
That statement alone made me unsub
That's something the perennially too-happy New Rockstars guy would say.
I kinda get it. It did provide a sense of dread and tension. But yeah.... I feel like the amount of darkness was overkill.
Yes thats what he said it’s called an opinion.
You literally have a video dissecting what the Night king wants, but now all of a sudden you don’t care and it doesn’t matter?
Gotta shill amirite?
The Knight King was a waste of a character and my time.
fucking traitors
Well it still makes sense for the books.
How dare you man we don't criticize got here this is a fanboy channel
Literally the show starts with white walkers and we are reminded for 8 seasons "Winter is Coming" and who sits on the throne is not important .. no idea what show u guys watched .
Weird, because the show I was watching had a heavy focus on political/millitary fighting for the iron throne.
@@sanchoquixote1121 Casual ^^^
The only reason that I sat so close to the screen with intensity and anticipation was for the following reasons:
I was waiting for a single character that I cared about to die... not a single one did.
I was waiting for someone to betray someone else... no one did.
I was waiting for John Snow to be revealed to everyone that he was a Targarian (perhaps by surviving being burned by a dragon)... didn't happen.
I was waiting for something to go wrong with their plan... nothing surprising occurred with their plan.
I was waiting for the red woman to drop some major prophecy... didn't happen.
I was waiting for Bran to find out something new about the night king... he literally did nothing this episode other than make you think he was doing something.
was waiting for Bran to fulfill that which he was told by the Three-eyed raven: "you will never walk again, but you will fly" and worg into a dragon (perhaps die in the process and become a dragon permanently, similar to something that had occurred in the books)... Nope, Bran just sat there the entire episode.
I was waiting for them to lose the battle and have to retreat and head further north than they ever have (like the cast said they would) perhaps because Bran found something out about the night king which meant that they had to travel to his castle in search of the only thing that can kill him (in the books, he has a castle)... they didn't... he just got poked with the pointy end.
I was waiting for ANY character with more of a history with the night king to kill him in some creative "work smarter, not harder" kinda way... nope, he just got poked with the pointy end
I was waiting for the dead to immediately rise from within the crypt from the start of the battle, thus demoralizing everyone from the start ... nahh
I was really just hoping that this episode was intended to make its audience undergo an intense level of pain... but it was just a (very unlike GoT) good vs evil non-witting action-packed battle where good wins just because they're good and the only people left standing are the ones who everyone cares about, even when most of them are the least suitable to have survived it. It's noticeable that GoT have lost their cleaver plot writer. That entire episode was like point-based boxing...
The biggest twist in this episode was that there was no twist at all...
Cool action scene though :)
I was legit waiting for this all day
Sindri Snær Sigurðsson honestly as excited for this as the actual episode lol
Same. It’s such a controversial episode, and it’s good to get their take on it.
Same
Me too haha. I really wanted to hear their thoughts in detail
@@THE3FATGUYS
How's it controversial?
I said in your review of the preview, I asked why the Dothraki would be at the front. Putting light Cavarly on the front line and charging forward without a plan was the most foolish thing I've ever seen on this show. Right behind the northern forces going out there with swords and just hacking away instead of everyone outside of the wall being in formation with the unsullied. We see the northern forces use a Phalanx during the Battle of the Bastards but here they just hack away like in L.O.T.R? Why were archers not constantly shooting while the fire barricade was up? Why were all the siege weapons outside instead of constantly raining fire from the walls? Why were the ramparts not guarded? Why would everyone just let the direwolf charge headfirst ahead of the Cavalry? Why didn't Bran ask Theon to wait? I have been looking forward to this battle for years, and we got just terrible planning, and the grand threat was never the real threat. This was ALWAYS the threat. It was the opening moment of the show, and its always been looming but no, death was never the real enemy. It was always the woman who had three kids and happened to be ex wife to the third last king. A nearly omniscient being who can effortlessly control over a hundred thousand creatures and slay dragons with a flick of the wrist, was just the opening act for Cersi, because that's what we waited 8 seasons for. Who cares about the living dead, did you know that Cersi fucked her own brother?
yo don't compare lotr to this mess.
helm's deep and minas tirith weren't so god damn useless compared to this, they stayed behind their walls and constantly fired shots at their enemies.
Well said.
Bruh THANK YOU. I had the EXACT questions all episode and I felt like an idiot when i brought them up to friends. Like why send your forces charging into PITCH BLACK when you have siege weapons that can literally rain fire from afar constantly? Just light them up while your phalanx holds the line. Make traps and moats filled with oil for the dead to charge into. Lace the land with explosive oil barrels ahead of time. Like make the dead have to WORK to even get close to you. I just don't get why so much of this was written this way it really boggles the mind. In fact, why wasn't bran WITH Jon as a commander? He can literally see the entire battlefield from a bird's eye view. Have him help you direct forces or at least plan. Why was Jon sitting on that wall on the dragon doing nothing when the trench was to be lit? Danerys couldn't see the signal but I'm SURE he could have. He was right there. WTF.
Your welcome, but thank you guys. I was worried that I was some sort of madman. Everyone at my job was singing nothing but praise so I thought it was just me, but you guys have assured me, I was not the only one who could not stop staring at the massive plot holes.
@@marcusthemad1396 You're not alone. Those people at your job are the ones that's tripping.
Anyone who defends all the stupid ish in this episode must be capable of completely turning their brains off when they watch a tv show or movie.
I disagree with the Cersei final boss. From the opening of the show the WW and the NK were built up to be the final boss and it was ended so abruptly without any explanation.
You're an idiot.
@@jacobhollander9484 No you are,
Someone doesn't understand Martin's writing, I see :)
"They didnt sacrifice realism for spectacle"
Lmfao what is this channel? A parody?
@@viracocha You sound like such an idiot right now. They sacrificed ALL the realism for spectacle.
EP114587 1-putting catapults outside the wall. 2-charging your entire cavalry into the dark. 3-the red witch comes from the same direction as the wights. 4- multiple characters becoming covered in wights and surviving because the camera cuts away. 5- some of the smartest characters in the show decide to put people in a crypt while fighting a necromancer. 6- daenyrous has to see to shoot fire despite the fact that dragons are living creatures that don’t need to see to shoot fire. 7- if you try to claim it was to avoid ally casualties your wrong because there not near any allies. 8- the night king grabbed aryas neck and didnt leave a mark but when he grabbed bran in earlier seasons it leaves a mark on his arm. 9- despite the dathraki charing into the undead and D&D calling it “essentially the end of the dathraki” half the dathraki survive this battle. 10- the unsullied army survives despite being entirely overrun.
Doom Hunter fax no printer
This video is poor. I have to say. Why, because all the comments are rationalized with hindsight. Oh Cersei is the real villain, the night kings motivations don't matter. Then how and why was Crastor able to strike a deal with the WW? Why did the WW spare Sam and the buy in the first episode?
This episode was shockingly poor. Lazy writing. No imagination.
I don't think an actual deal was struck with Crastor, it just worked out that way. He needed to get rid of the sons because they were competition so he took them out to the woods to leave them to die, maybe feed the wolves, or freeze to death, but the white walkers kept finding them instead, so the NK not being stupid realized Crastor was of more use to him alive than dead. Crastor figured this out after awhile too. I think the NK needed live humans to create the white walkers because he creates them differently than the wights. The magic must make them age quickly too because they all looked way too old to be Crasters children, and we never see any babies or children in the NK army.
Lol what if there is a 2nd wave?😂😂plot twist!
yea the lack of imagination was pretty sad
@@ashhartling9713 "Shockingly poor? Give me a break. You people have too much time on your hands"
Lol, yeah, respect like yours.
agreed
S1: The winter is coming...
S2: The winter is coming...
S3: The winter is coming...
S4: The winter is coming...
S5: The winter is coming...
S6: The winter is coming...
S7: The winter is coming...
S8: The winter was comic...
Season 8 show runners: “We’re tired of writing this shit...lets just fucking kill him”
Cersei was and is still coming all over Euron's huge cock.
The original long night lasted years . lol
@@claudiamiller7730 Season 8 show runners: "Last Season guys, let's stick to George R.R. Martins plan and keep the focus on the throne..."
Both the show runners and GRRM have confirmed that the show and the books come to the same ending, so even in the books, the night king gets killed. o.O
XLTH polakotaco
There is no Night King in the book......
Alt Shift X did a better job reviewing this episode 🥶
From a cinematic standpoint, it was great. From a storytelling standpoint, it was absolutely terrible. Sad but true.
Agree on the storytelling aspect. But cinematically it was mediocre in my opinion.
@Grim reaper You must be a shitty writer.
@Grim reaper I apologise for my harsh comment. Late night browsing when you can't sleep does that to you.
@Grim reaper "Probably more then you can say or know about writing, cuz I come from experience and know good writing from bad writing."
So can you tell me if having an entire army get slaughtered in 15 seconds only to have half of them come back to life in the next episode is good writing or bad writing? Just wondering.
Here are my complaints:
1. The Dothraki charge made no sense. 100k wights out somewhere and you charge them with your... 5k cavalry? I thought the plan was to play defense and buy time. I get the sword lights made a cool effect, but jeez what a nonsensical death.
2. The battle shots had a lot of inconsistency. There is a part where the Unsullied are protecting the retreat of the other fighters. You see 4 rows of unsullied left before the trench. You think "oh shit, they're not gonna make it". Then you see grey worm call to light the trench, they pan up and .... there are at least 15 rows of unsullied. Huh? Also did Grey Worm just doom them to die by pulling the bridge pre-maturely?
3. Sam Tarly is on the front lines.... and he doesn't die. The guy thats so fat he can't run and so inept that he has at least 3 scenes in the battle crying. The wights couldn't kill HIM? Seriously?
4. If the wights swarmed the castle and Daenarys fell off her dragon outside the gates... how did Jorah get to her?
5. When the ironborn in the godswood start to engage the wights you see them almost immediately being overwhelmed. The next cut we see them doing fine shooting the wights with arrows and not being overwhelmed at all.
6. 30k soldiers are dead and coincidentally the only people that seem to have survived are Hound, Brianne, Jaime (who can't really fight), Gendry, Sam (wtf), grey worm... and basically anyone we would recognize as a regular character. Really? None of them got stabbed the whole time?
7. The NK is about to kill bran and he's surrounded by white walkers and wights in a circle. Arya.... somehow penetrates this circle ninja style and leaps at him? What? How the f did she get into this circle of bad guys? How did she get a running start to jump at him? WHY would she leap at him to begin with? If she's sneaking up on him... why is she screaming out loud? They blew an opportunity IMO to have her wear the face of wight to sneak in and then charge him. Thats a little fan fiction-y but at least it would make sense, as opposed to "A wild arya appears! She used LUNGE & SCREAM"
With the greyworm deal, yeah, he pretty much sacrificed the rest of the unsullied. I think it made sense though. During the scene, you can see the camera is set to his face as he contemplates the decision to either sacrifice his men or risk everyone's lives in order to save his men. I think greyworm, in the past, would have sacrificed himself to save his men, but now he has missandei in his life.
So that's like one of very few things I'm okay with in this episode.
@@mattyjay1711 why were they on the wrong side of the flaming trench to begin with though? just to have the scene where they are sacrificed? when they showed the formations people were confused about pretty much all of the decision making. They made a spectacle, but it makes Jon look ignorant.
@@deankruse2891 pretty much. A lot of things they are doing on the show doesn't fit with the characters. They're making stupid decisions constantly just so they can have an "epic" scene or some heroic death were the audience needs to cry.
Dude, everyone is afraid to call this shit out. It sucked. They put big money to hide the poor Storytelling that’s it.
BTW: There's a difference in subverting expectations and not meeting them.
RoMschay it would subvert my expectations if all their heads exploded and kittens and rainbows came pouring out but that wouldn’t make it good
@@connorfoley8611 That image is not what I had in mind, but that is the point basically, yes.
There's a difference between eating ass and eating shit and u sir, do the latter,,,,
@@nickprezzo the difference sounds very minimal... Almost non existent
PREACH
Biggest complaint about the episode is: how Ghost is 1/2 the size he should be, and how Jon didn’t acknowledge Ghost at all. 🐶😢
When Marvel writers has bigger balls and better creative ideas than Game of Thrones writers.
HAx2 no
@@Danielle33384 Hmm yes the only Stark story arc that mattered was Tony's.
@@Danielle33384 no? They have balls to kill tony and Natasha and retires Steve and game of thrones? Sweet plot armor lmfao
infinity war>endgame>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>GOT season 8
Arya rolled a natural 20 on stealth and the White Walkers rolled natural 1's on perception.
"green sight"
Nat 20 on D&D refererence
What a joke, these shills think Cercei is a bigger threat than a 10000 year old epidemic of death that the likes of Bran the Builder and House Stark has defended the wall against for decades. SMH
@@Crozbozy Decades? 😛
I hear ya my D'D buddy!
Your theory about the backstory of the Night King was far more interesting than him being just pure evil.
the whole point of the night king is that he was a creation to combat the "evils" of man, their endless war. It actually makes sense from grrm's anti-war perspective.
This whole time he's just a blue Sauron, apparently.
I'm sure the "writers" of the show celebrated for a few weeks straight after watching TLJ. (This shit is genius!)
why did the nightt king even care about killing bran? All he can do is fly with ravens.
He's the memory of man dude....they said that
@Alonso Arguedas brans stories aren't stories. He sees actual events. Maesters could write opinion or error. It is a bit thin, but that's what they went with
@Alonso Arguedas hES iMpoRTant tO bE ImPoTent
Because shitty im "14 and this is deep" convenient plot devices about some dumb shit that "humans are nothing without memories".
If I was bent on actually destroying humanity then a crippled living history book is at the bottom of my priority list. Much less I'd send my undead army to do it.
@@bostongoddu You're right but it IS really thin. I mean what does it even change? He doesn't seem to share his vast information at all except for things like Sansa being pretty when she got raped. The NK doesn't want a specifically knowledgeable individual to live? Ok...
The battle of the barstards.
That was the point where I wanted Sansa dead.
She allowed so many to get slaughtered, instead of saying hey the knights of the vale is coming, so let's wait till we get some heavy cavalry.. John was only attacking because he thought no one else would join them. The giant. All the wildlings. The houses that joined John was mostly the small houses. How many family's line ended because of Sansa?
To quote Sansa about Cercei
"I learned a great deal from her"
Edit: Just wanted to make it clear that I have no qualms with the people who liked this episode. Your enjoyment or lack there of doesn't speak to you as a human being, and my comment is not intended to be a personal attack on anyone with an opinion that differs with my own.
I have a lot of issues coming out of this episode but these are my main gripes:
1. Almost everything the show has set up to this point has amounted to nothing, or has been given an unsatisfying conclusion.
2. Wasn't Rhaegar supposed to be obsessed with the prophecy of the prince who was promised? His motivation for pursuing Lyana was so that his son could fill that role...but I guess all of that's just been chucked out of the window.
3. If your going to put characters into situations they can't realistically survive, kill them off. It gets to the point where you aren't afraid of them dying anymore, and the gritty realistic world you'd done so well to establish has been reduced to what you'd expect of a Saturday morning cartoon.
4. D&D's writing has proven to be lazy and not up to par with GRRM's novels. They'd rather avoid unfinished plotlines in the books altogether or simplify them to the detriment of the characters involved in said plotline (e.g. Stannis), than have to tie them up in a neat and satisfying way that actually feels earned. They aren't much chop without Martin's books to back them up.
5. This is related to my point about lazy writing, but the Night King deserves his own paragraph. Killing off the villain (and by extension villains) that you've built up since before we even saw the main credits and not giving us any answers as to what their motivations are, and in an anticlimactic fashion, is just spitting on the people who daned to care about the show. You only had to see the negative reactions to when Rian Johnson 'subverted our expectations' to realize that people know what bad writing looks like when they see it.
6. Shortening season 7 and 8 has proved to be a catastrophe. This is exactly why everything feels rushed. The story is far too large in scale for a six episode cap off. The Long Night should have been a season in itself. They wouldn't need to have characters teleporting when the plot needs them to, and they wouldn't have to compromise the nuanced storytelling that we came to expect from Game of Thrones if they just gave themselves more time to work with.
7. Everyone who decided not to fight with them didn't face any consequences, because the threat ended up being inconsequential. Now Jon looks stupid for making such a big deal out of the white walkers, because if everyone actually banded together it would have been like swatting a fly.
All I can say is these next three episodes had better be fucking good.
Also, the scene where Jon tried to chase down the Night King..The Night King rose all the dead around Jon, suddenly they began to move slow against him🤔..But, unto Daenerys, Jorah Mormont and Theon they continued to move fast...SMH
I agree with OP but Im commenting to say thank you for splitting your points up where you can read then.
Sometimes I feel like paragraphs are ancient long forgetting technology
@@Sp-ck5es Uh.....did you not see that he realized he was completely surrounded....................he had to stop and prepare to deal with the literal army that just spawned on top of him. He didnt slow down for the Night King. He slowed down out of awareness of the new threat.
On a side note, I feel really bad for the actors, director etc. For putting so much effort into this, only to have it all be overshadowed by bad writing.
Just want to lend support I agree completely. It was largely disappointing
Please stop saying that Cercei is the real threat, the white walkers have been built up since season 1 to be the real threat and the greatest threat westeros has ever faced
Cersei is going to do more damage then the night king unfortunately because she will be the last boss. Which will be stupid from the fact that cersei is not a bigger threat than the horde of undead and WW in anyway.
theres a real the first scene of the first episode is beyond the wall... D&D are shit lol
Cercei's always been fairly irrational/stupid with a mix of lusting for power and being brutal. She's the most compelling character left I think, but her dad would've been a genuinely formidable opponent.
You guys do realise Martin himself told these guys how it would end right? For fuck sake.
Johnnythefirst This isnt how it will end in the books. George never told them the ending, thats a rumor. He told them up to season 6 which is his next book, dummy.
The problem is I don't really care who ends up on the iron throne at this point. I mean, there's no one I'm particularly rooting for. Jon never wanted it. Daenerys believes it's hers by blood which is silly and isn't true anymore anyway. Plus she's many times shown herself to very cruel in reaching her goal. And Cercei is nuts. They could stick Tyrion or someone on it, but that would just be another twist without much meaning or finality. The show changed from being about the fight for the throne in the early seasons to being about the white walkers over the last two seasons. The mystery behind them and the threat they were. That storyline gave me something to be curious about and people to root for. They sold it as the more meaningful fight. Now that's all gone, with nothing much explained.
If the two storylines could have been combined I think it might have been more effective than brushing the bigger threat out of the way to get back to politics. The hero/es who saved the human world from extinction in the final battle could have been declared rulers by the people. That's what could have decided it. Hell, the last stand against the walkers could have been in Kings Landing itself with winter brought there by the Night King after he pushed them back across the Seven Kingdoms. The dead could have been taking over everything. It would have made a change from it all happening in the North. Cercei's armies could have betrayed her of their own volition to fight with Jon and Danny against the existential threat facing them and then declared loyalty to them in the aftermath. The people who saved the world, not just one family fighting another. I dunno, just spitballing. I know writing such a thing is complicated and its easy to throw out ideas, but I'm sure something could have been worked out to bring the storylines to a close in a unified manner.
I'll continue watching for sure. Maybe they will make it feel meaningful in the end. But right now it's more curiosity about how they handle it than any particular emotion for what happens.
Exactly. They should have combined the two. Like this, nobody will believe they fought any such battle. The maisters of Oldtown will not write anything about it. It will just be a little story soon to be forgotten.
I do not understand the Monkey's obsession with Cersei. Her chapters are so petty and vile because all of her thoughts are petty and vile. Her arc is terrible because she basically doesn't have an arc. She starts off kind of low key arrogant and evil and ends up cartoonishly arrogant and evil. And there's nothing more annoying to me than someone who is convinced of their own intelligence and greatness but who has shown neither. She's just a silver spoon psychopath, it's not that deep or interesting.
eh i don't think you paid much attention to cersi chapters.
@@papaneville No, I did, appreciate the counter-point though.
We all thought the battle against the NK was the real war, but we were wrong. The real war is the battle in these comment sections. That is the only war that matters.
Haha right? Seems like a lot of the GoT community is super whiny
@@SpeedyGolfCart77 It's kind of like being told that your girl has been cheating on you for years and everyone knew about it but you. No one wants to believe they've been dumb enough to invest time and care into something that turns out to be trash and they get defensive.
@@SpeedyGolfCart77 People who had strong expectations are being whiny. There is more than twice as many likes as dislikes, so the GOT community is 2 times more positive than whiny.
You deserve more likes.
LOL Great comment .... it's critical thinkers vs. fundamentalist throners!
"That's not what game of thrones is. From the very first episode, it's going to give you a realistic take on how these events would play out"
**Arya leaps from out of literal nowhere to stab and kill the night king**
Guys.......
I know, right? fucking unbelievable
I like them but they obviously are Arya stans so they cant look at this unbiased.
Was it not from a tree in the gods wood or something?
@@liamsmith331 The weirwood was in front of them. So she ran up, from wherever, and made a nine foot vertical leap, while screaming. Because fighting with a staff while blind and getting stabbed in the gut is basically the same as getting bit by a radioactive spider.
John Smith no she tree is huge and she was obviously in one of the branches. The tree is wide as hell, we can see that from many shots. She didn’t come out of no where leaping higher than him are you dense
24:32 Sansa definitely won the battle for Jon by getting the Vale to come in and save their bacon, but she also had emotional ties to that battle. It made sense that Sansa won the battle for them because she was a huge player in that storyline. Arya had nothing to do with the Night King other than the fact that she was at Winterfell.
Sansa didn't win shit, she allowed Little Finger who actually had authority over the Vale army to come in and save their asses. All Sansa did was ask Little Finger to come help them after stupidly not telling Jon that the army of the Vale were a possible force they could augment their forces with. You know how many lives would have been saved if they had postponed the battle until after Little Finger arrived? Sansa is an idiot who 'thinks she is smarter than everyone' as Jon says. I am glad Missande put her in her place, more people need to.
Cellophanity Frog don’t get me wrong, that storyline had it’s issues and stupid moments for sure. Little Finger technically won the battle for them with the Knights of the Vale but they only came because Sansa sent a raven. I agree that Sansa is fairly dumb and the showrunners are trying to make her the new Little Finger but I wasn’t speaking on her intelligence, I was countering what was said in the video.
everyone loves the Dothraki sacrifice scene. Why? it's a complete waste of their best troops and shows they have no leadership whatsoever...
that scene made no sense. Dothraki were not stupid. Light cavalry does not charge into enemy front line. I would presume that they knew this from their past (since there is a story in which the Dothraki horde is defeated by unsullied because they charged into the front line).
D and D have seriously made me not believe for 1 second that any main character would die during the battle, even when Jon/ Dany were surrounded by a hundred wights. The plot armour is thicc af
I thought Dany was dead FOR SURE. But no. Jorah saved her out of nowhere. In the middle of the battlefield??? (I mean. I love Jorah with my whooole heart but nahhh. I like how he went out but him just showing up was kinda eh)
T Series Stan 😍 So you wanted everyone to die and the Night King to win?
The plot armor will be melted into the iron couch so the main cast can rule together...
Agreed. The second they passed the books they started this typical main character plot armor bullshit.
People love this series because Martin doesn’t adhere to the typical hero tropes but D&D just completely ignore this.
Amelia C. He also managed to get past hundreds of walkers
While I liked the episode more than I disliked it...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the reason why people like me get "nit picky" about these later season episodes is pretty simple:
We were super fans of the first 4-5 seasons (most of us). They set up the rules of this universe in a way that is veeery grounded in reality. Distances are far, anyone can die, expectations are subverted, etc. Even the fantasy elements have this in a way.
They run out of source material and the original author leaves from writing/plot consultation. So it's left to Hollywood writers to figure it out. And in typical Hollywood fashion, they pollute the story with the following:
Predictability, Deus ex machina, plot aromor, one liners, fan service, and all around unimagination.
This could have been the greatest show in television history, and it was ruined by Hollywood-ass Hollywood writers that just got sick of it, lost all inspiration, wanted to move on with their lives, and took the easiest way to the finish line all while pandering to the lowest common denominator.
So yeah, we're picky. And angry. And disappointed. Because we feel betrayed. So kindly fuck off.
John Smith PREACH
I'm so sorry that your life is so empty that when you realize that a simple tv show is actually created for revenue you're entire world is shattered and you have the audacity to sound off and be angry like 40 year weirdo you are. Yeah.sorry
Ernesto Soriano it’s a service that people pay for. Why would they not be angry? It’s like getting a shitty burger from a restaurant and being angry. Should someone be happy/proud of their shitty burger?
@@ernestosoriano2517 it's ok, I forgive you. I get what it's like to be that aforementioned lowest common denominator. I used to watch cartoons and want to buy all the action figures and toys from the commercials when I was a kid. So again, I forgive you. When you grow up one day, I think you'll understand what critical thinking is all about. I believe in you little buddy.
@@ernestosoriano2517 I'm sorry you've never been passionate about anything before
I wanted to see some of the major characters vs some white walkers. I wanted Brienne to go out taking 5 white walkers and Jorah to take out some walkers. Greyworm, Jaime, the Hound and Beric all could have taken out a walker or two. I love the fact that Arya killed the Night King but the fact that no major characters got a chance to use their unique Valeryain weapons( Jaime, Brienne, Jon and Jorah, was what disappointed me
Why do you love the fact that Arya killed the Night King? This has ruined the entire series.
Yeah, the Jon / NK conflict was amped up so much in previous seasons, but now it amounted to absolutely nothing. Just another boring stare-down. It appears that all characters, even the human ones, in this show have forgotten how to speak and must communicate through intense staring. They could have had the NK ambushed by some of the main characters. They could have created the NK / Jon fight that was so much anticipated from this episode. If they wanted to have Arya kill the NK then they could have Jon fail, get killed or get wounded. They could have made Bran warg into something other than crows, show explicitly that he was luring the NK into the godswood. They should have answered explicitly why the WW decided to invade at that time and not 200 years earlier or later.
They are protecting Jon because they are clearly intending for him to become king, keeping Dany around for some fake rushed Jon/Dany conflict, writing not by developing chracters and story arcs but mechanically by going through a checklist with no talent, the writing is completely stale, only taking the show in the direction of "I didn't see that coming". It's beyond stupid.
what I have realized; any youtube reviewer that is only a one person production and doesn't have a big audience usually speaks his/her mind. the moment they pass a certain size though shilling starts. not always but it certainly happens as you can see in this case. and when they are too big and actually employ people/have an office shilling becomes the business model. I guess that's the only way to pay the bills. You can't cross HBO, Disneyi Netflix, etc. These companies can shit on their faces and they will say it is chocolate sauce and it tastes great.
"I liked the battle. It didn't sacrifice realism for spectacle." Oh REALLY? How about the 8-9 times they showed a main character being completely surrounded/overwhelmed by wights, screaming like they're dying only for the camera to cut away, then when the camera cuts back they're COMPLETELY FINE? Worst offenders: Sam Tarley, Brienne and Jaimie. What the fuck man?
The wights weren't trying to harm Sam they were just having a tickle fight.
How in seven hells did Ser (I’m no good in combat) Davos live through that??
Sam Tarley, Brienne and Jaimie, yeah they lived, so what? I'm glad they lived. Stop splitting hairs.
Jon too! When the NK rose the wights around him.
@@firewithfire848 So what??? SOOO in real life they would be dead? GOT used to be realistic with anyone being able to make mistakes and die but now this series is just another hero story
I disagree entirely that the Throne was the endgame.
I've always viewed Season 1 Episode 1 as the theme of the show. We start by seeing the wights and the absolute terror of the White Walkers. The very first scene of the entire show is of the WW and the Nights Watch. And then it changes to fantasy politics with kings and thrones and whatnot.
I thought that the main lesson was to not get distracted by the most enticing goal, but to pay attention to the real threats.
The show basically makes you forget about the White Walkers by showing you all of these great characters, all the while the WW's are building up their army.
And, like John, you begin to realize as the show progresses that the Throne is meaningless, and that if humanity doesn't start acting, the dead will win. And by S8, they've failed to act. And now the dead are here.
I always thought that, because Daenerys, Cersei, Rob and so many others were so concerned with who would sit on the throne, that they would lose. Because they failed to see what John saw until it was too late.
BUT NOPE!
Turns out that the big ending really WILL be who sits on the throne, and the WW were just a distraction from the real ending: the battle for King's Landing.
And it's just like, come on! We've been building up this giant threat, and we've seen the devastating impact they have when they attack. Events like Hardhome showed just how dangerous they were. I really expected The Battle of Winterfell to be more than this. But apparently stealth is OP in GoT
I believe the show will still end with whites somehow, just as it began
I like how in seasons 6 and 7 everyone was complaining that the show turned too mainstream. It got away from the politics and just focused on action and predictable storytelling. Now we get something totally unpredictable totally different from seasons 6 and 7. We're getting back to the politics like everyone wanted to and now they're complaining about that. TV fans are some of the worst out there.
Evolved Dinosaur agree. The message IS don’t get distracted by petty politics and pay attention to the world. At least the books will keep the theme.
This is now pure trope and drama. Danny and Jon in the throne, Gendry as a Baratheon in the storm lands with his booty call Arya assassinating left and right.
Brienne and Jaime married with babies. Sam with a family.
WHY THE FUCK NOT? Give everyone their happy ending.
well i mean its called game of thrones, not game of white walkers
@@dante2037 Oh no, I absolutely love the politics of GoT! Don't get me wrong. It's why so many of us got invested. And that was the point I'm trying to make. It was always just a distraction from the real threat!
Everyone made the wrong decision by focusing on the throne, and because of it, they should lose to the NK. Or at the very least, not beat him in the very first battle. I wanted to see some sort of destruction at Winterfell, and they DO manage to convince Cersei to help defeat them. Because only together can the living defeat the dead.
But apparently that's not the case, and instead Cersei was right to refuse to fight
are you just catering to the normies at this point? wtf was you even watching lmao I thought you guys were smarter than that. This episdode was a complete disaster and I still can't get over it 2 days later... BUTCHERED the night king who we've waited so long for. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.
Auxia it frustrates me so much more than it should when I see people defending this fucking disaster of an episode. None of it makes any sense yeah it subverted expectations but I’d rather the obvious expectation of Jon being azor ahai and killing the NK instead of the dog shit outcome we got. The whole Arya Melisandre eye colour thing is total bullshit they did not plan that from when Melisandre said that in season 3 they just wanted to justify Arya being the one to kill the NK for some fucking reason and thought everyone would be stupid enough to buy that bullshit. Anyone that thought this was a good episode is a straight up normie and I am so fucking mad
@@bobo-bx8yj Honestly mate I'm still not over it, all I've been doing is watching reviews on this farce and to be fair most of them are feeling the same way as us. The possibilites were endless when it comes to an epic send off for the night king...as soon as Melissandre mentioned the blue eyes and gave her a stupid fucking grin I wanted to turn the tv off and send myself into a coma. YAAAAS QUEEN ARYA KILLED THE NIGHT KING YOU GO GIRL!!! FUCKING JOKE!
I was looking forward to re watching the entire game of thrones series. Now I dont think I can knowing the way it all ends with the white walkers, as they play such a big part in previous seasons, its just really disappointing .
Agreed. It has been ruined
Damn…sucks for you
I'm ok with Arya killing the Nightking. I'm not ok with her litterally teleporting outta thin air to do it.
@Lucas Davenport If you're going to try to justify trash atleast try to sound remotely sensible
Melisandre said it took Gendry's blood to "kill a king" but I didn't think she meant his sperm giving Arya superpowers.
i think she ran from behind, and that’s why we get the clip of a white walker turning around and probably seeing her run by last minute
@Lucas Davenport if that was the case they could have at least shown us how the hell she took the face of one of them lol. Idk if she even did that it really seems like she snuck past them, especially when we think back to how Jon asked her before how she snuck up on him. Her simply sneaking past all of them just makes no sense to me.
She's a faceless assassin for God's sake. The execution wasn't the best but nobody but Arya could have killed him
seeing varys is so funny and sad at the same time.
poor spider is reduced to a background character
and neither him, Tyrion or Sansa figured out that a crypt was not the best place to hide when being attacked by the undead
He's hardly spoken since Dany scolded him and forgave him. I'm guessing he'll have more of a part to play now fighting Cersei. That's what he's good at, the political. As he said in S1 to Ned in his cell, "When you look at me, do you see a hero?".
He *did* have blood on his face at the end of the episode... wonder how that happened..? 🤔
more like an extra really
He was always a background character but ever since Dan and Dave was left to their own devices after season 4 they have not known what to do with him so they just stick him in wherever they can without anything to do.
Oh come on this episode was cheap writing, wrapping up everything to move on...there are so many things that they could’ve done to make it way more interesting and more GAME OF THRONES. Very disappointing