I think he leads the flop as a feeler bet, at the same time, if he checks he is basically giving up on this hand. Not to say that he can also make at least one player fold, which would be Ivey, coz a call with small pair from there would expose himself to a squeeze from Patrik as well.This bet also allows him to, in case of getting 3bet, he can 4 bet flop polarizing between having hit the deuce or having a flush draw of his own. Remember he´s got the key card to bluff/represent the flush draw, the A of diamonds. Clearly not standard play, but then again, standard is not Dwan´s sytle. Dwans face after Patricks river raise though... ahahahahh I´m convinced thats a bit of theatre...he was never folding!
Tom Dwan playing a hand like an idiot... Meaning he didn't fold after the flop when he missed everything haha polk you're not a poker player. Just a guy with money that gambles and gets lucky. You'll win a lot and lose a lot but you're never gonna be relevant for 15+ years
No reference to the best Phil Ivy joke of all time on this clip. Shame. IVY: I don't drink until after midnight. It's good for weight loss. HELMUTH: Is it? IVY: No.
Doug has a man crush on Dwan. Edit... I'm now convinced that Doug Polk and Tom Dwan are in fact the same person. All joking aside I have nothing but respect for you Doug. I'm new to poker and you were the first streamer I watched. You've inspired me to continue to improve my game. Also think it's cool the High Schools we went to are 30 minutes apart. Keep up the good work. Didn't intend to offend.
Dwan's face at 9:20 is priceless Starts with 😑 as he bets river, Sees Patrik put chips in pot 😯 Sees Patrik's chips are WAY more than a call 😦>😧>😮>😲>😳>😵>😱
@Daniel Treadwell the fuk? lot of people likes dwan for the good tv he gave us. althought hes no longer considered as the top 10 best right still lot of poker fans rooting for him when they see him play. GTO poker is boring asf, its something u wanna learn when grinding online. u dont wanna rail that.
Although Dwan's line is obviously weird, I think all of the action in the hand was probably influenced by the props (Phil, Patrik and Daniel were all involved). I forget who had what suits, but based on the side bets they had, some players were MUCH more likely to have diamonds. Also I think the reason Ivey played the 87 was because they had side bets that were 5-10k (plus multipliers for hitting on consecutive flops) for hitting the 7 of your suit. So I believe Ivey's 7d was a blocker to the props.
"I don't really mind folding, calling, or raising here, but keep in mind folding wouldn't bother me but you could just call, but also if you raise well it costs more for you and others" ...Doug Polk.
From watching all of PAD, I have noticed that he will take this exact line with in this case a deuce in his hand. He seems to like to lead and barrel paired boards so by that logic he has to have a wider range and not just 3 of a kind every time he does it. I agree with you that it's weird but he does have lots of experience playing these players and maybe that was a factor we couldn't comment on.
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Googlyeye74 soft means folding easily. Spewtard is someone who bets big at everything. A “nit” means never in there, and is someone who only plays premium hands
Well, you're talking about two different eras of poker. Even if Dwan would be a fish now, he sure as hell was not a fish then. Especially on these particular shows (Poker After Dark and High Stakes Poker), Ivey and Antonius were the only two even remotely in his league. Still poker (and most likely Dwan's game) has evolved a lot since these games were filmed. So it really should not be any surprise that someone at Polk's level today would see some big gaps in Dwan's game back then.
overg he was not a fish in general,but ivey and antonious was always one step ahead of him imo.that makes him a fish when he play against them. Nowdays,dwan is playing only in prive cash games in macao.he plays only against rich whales and when a pro does that,he cant evolve his game.of,course,this is ok if he can win big money by doing that
Nope, just nope. I like his analysis "dwan repping overpair" when he flats from sb rofl, and then we end up having a jack he's like "yeah same idea" haha. Why so many people give so much credit to this dude is beyond me.
dwans flop lead is weird but I don't hate it. he's repping a duece, and as the guy who called out of the small blind he is the most likely guy to have it. He also has the Ad, so he can rep huge on diamonds because he blocks the nut flush. the two overcards are a nice bit of bail out equity too. Given the flop texture he also has the best hand a decent % of the time, but he probably can't win even when he does have the best hand of he checks. If you are going to have a donking range in this spots this isn't a terrible hand to use as a bluff IMO.
Yea I completely agree Peter. I'm not sure why Doug thinks Dwans lead out on flop and turn doesn't make any sense. He pretty much fires with pretty much his entire range of hands that have any equity. (all deuce x suited, flush draws, pairs, ace highs with backdoors-A5/Adx) If this wasn't Tom Dwan that would be completely understandable, but I'm obviously missing something Dougs thinking of because surely Tom Dwan IS NOT check calling/check raising any of those hands.....Also, Antnoius's bluff is pretty amazing or so I* thought because of this (Dwan leading out with so many hands/where as Antonius's range by the river once raised is almost certainly beating all of those...besides the busted flush draw, which just seems* sooooo unlikely .
a2hh a2cc are in his range for sure, and this deep and with their dynamic he doesn't never call his off suited a2. hell he might even have k2s this deep.
Hey Doug, is it possible that Tom wants to lead all of his 2s on the flop and take control of the action in fear that it will check through, but also wants to check all of his draws? Then to balance the lead with any 2, he picks the best possible hand that he wouldn't 3 bet pre flop (assuming he 3bets AQ and AK) and that isn't a draw, which is AJ. This way when he gets called, he's actually ahead of hands like KQ, and draws like Antonius has
I think Dwan was repping specifically a deuce. He called out of the SB with very good pot odds, so he definitely should have some deuces like A2s, 32s and 42s in his range, especially since he is Tom Dwan who has very wide ranges in general and if you made trip 2s on the flop, it's very reasonable for him to lead out twice, since often times Ivey as the preflop aggressor will check with Patrick being behind him and Patrick will check also a ton because other than middle pairs he rarely has value here. And even those are good pot control checks on occasion.
Sam Riley That's just what Dwan does. Obviously I haven't seen all of his hands, but even in Doug's last video about the top NLHE online pots, there's one where he donks into the 3bettor with bottom set. So he clearly takes weird lead lines meaning he would quite possibly do it with a 2 here (no matter how suboptimal it may be).
Sam Riley not necessarily. some pros will donk when they are in multiway pots. the preflop raiser usually has a much lower cbet frequency multi way, so by donking you make sure the flop doesn't check thru. It is a weird line but it's not uncommon
Because you don't want to risk it getting checked through. Ivey is supposed to have broadway cards which did not hit this flop unless they were diamond suited which is less likely because Dwan holds the Ace of diamonds. Antonious has suited connectors like he does in his range or middling overpair. Dwan is most likely to hold a deuce. If anyone else was holding the suited diamonds it gives them a chance to just check and actualize their equity.
he could have those 2s. But there aren't many combos. But, and I was more convinced after reading through these comments, it is in his range. The likelihood of flush draws is reduced by both his line, the fact that he can't have a 2 and a flush draw (cause that's polker) and his betting out on the flop rather than check calling/check raising which is the more optimal play you'd think with either.
This is just Tom Dwan being Tom Dwan. He loves putting pressure on people and that is why he is so good. Patrick represented what you said: a full house. Tom called him.
I mean you can almost always name some worse hands that maybe call. He's overrepping his hand when he fires river. Idk how much sense it makes as a merged range/thin value bet, especially after this retarded line, which is why I was asking Doug.
@@oldmanyellsatscreen You could check/call the river with a hand like KJs/QJs of diamonds (but I think Dwan is 3-betting those hands 100% of the time), although it makes your opponent having a flush draw less likely. I don't think many solid players are value betting 88/99 on that river in position vs a check, but there is always the possibility of a pure bluff float. AJo is probably the only legit bluff-catcher Dwan has in his range.
I know this is an old video, but I just watched it now. THIS is a prime example of Negreanu's inferiority to Polk. The last few seconds of the video shows Negreanu, after predicting AA, KK or QQ, stating "that over-pairs vs AJ is basically the same idea". Clearly, based on pre-flop action, this is flatly incorrect. You can safely rule out over-pairs 99.99% of the time. They are statistically irrelevant in this particular hand. They are not the same idea... they are not even in the same ballpark.
Doug, I will tell you what you should know. Tom is saying with the flop bet that with that rag flop, if patrik did not hit the flop or don't have a pocket pair, tom is ahead with his ace, and has a nice kicker with the jack. why not bet the flop? he is still looking at two over and a back door flush draw, which would be the nuts with the ace. plus if a 4 falls on the turn he opens up for the wheel. I like toms play.
I kind of like a check/call on the river if I'm Dwan. There are a ton of missed draws that gives your opponent an opportunity to bluff and we probably have the best hand unless Antonius really did flop 33 or had like an A2s type hand. But maybe there's some meta reads I am not privy to.
How about you analyze hand Dwan vs Zigmund where both of them had full houses(Ilari had 9s full of 7s, and Durrrr 7s full of 9s), and/or I believe one of the most memorable Poker After Dark hands Ivey vs Zigmund (flush vs full house on the river) ?
I think that’s a great move from Antonio although he lost. He correctly put Dwan on two over cards until the turn. Dwan would have bet the more or less the same amount on the river whether or not he paired his jack. Antonio has position on him and made it look like I’m slow playing holding a 2 (at least). That’s a great move IMO and would have worked if an A or J hasn’t shown up on the river.
Fantastic poker analysis like always Doug but the one thing I think you're forgetting to mention here is these guys dwan Ivey and antonious have played together so much so you have to keep that in mind They kno each other so well that's prob why you see dwan doing that flop bet and antonious doing that river re-raise bluff he prob doesn't make that play against any1 but tom cuz tom 'knows him well' (played lots of hands against him) so that has to be mentioned / kept in mind when u see them doing unorthodox plays like that Fantastic stuff like always Doug keep up the amazing poker videos miss your gamer mentality and drive in the game but always for ppl doing what is right for them / makes them happy Much love Doug
(Turn bet is $16,300, not $6,500.) Dwan is leading for some pretty big bets; nearly 80% on flop, and close to 90% on turn - I mean, I guess it also depends if the video has been edited in any way, because we get the impression Antonius is calling pretty quickly on both flop and turn - so Dwan should probably be worried if this is the case. If Dwan has a reputation for being hyper-aggressive, you want to let him hang himself sometimes, especially when he's out of position. Also note that Tom is holding the Ace of Diamonds; that also might influence what he thinks Patrick might have - ie: it makes a busted flush less likely, if he's considering combinatorics here. It actually sounds like Tom is making a crying call - the thing is, he's getting about 2.5:1 on a call; Top-Top is usually good more than 28.5% of the time on this type of board if we're going directly by the maths - but the thing is, Dwan has put himself in this horrible position by making such big flop and turn bets with no hand - the fact he's made a hand on the river is kind of redundant; his flop and turn bluffs were way too big if Antonius actually has trips or better here. If Antonius puts in a bigger raise on the river, he *might* get Dwan off his hand - but it would probably need to be at least 180,000 - Dwan might have put in too much money, regardless, when he makes this hand.
I would love to see you in the GPL next season, I know you mentioned why you dont like it in poker new but the idea of you playing against some of the best players and the likes of jason mercier would be amazing
How calling with 6-4 suited in the CU could be "okay" if opening with 87 offsuit UTG is too loose ?! I don't understand that part… Or is it okay because it's Ivey so we know he has a wide range ?
i wish you would more table dynamics; when ivey raise with 87 he is likelier to play with tom only since hellmuth negreanu were on the tighter preflop range , ivey probably was thinking im gonna be playing with BB tom so i have position and that was good enough for him. also they were playing 300 /600 with 100 ante wich makes raising with 87 easier
I think Tom dwan does this only because he have the A of diamond, knowing noone else could have the nut flush draw, 223, with 2 diamonds should be a relative safe flopp unless someone has a 2 or 33, wich is very unlikely, most likely hands that will continue are drawing hands or a overpair. perhaps some 3,4 3,5 hands aswell. depending on the card he can continue to bluff the turn, a 7 make sense to continue bluff with, straight/flush draw misses, an overpair will still continue with just a call. now the pot bet size is great, polarizing antonios calling hands and putting the pressure on, but also gives great amount of information, when he calls here, he should have overpairs, or combo draw like flush/straight draws, If another diamond comes, I 100% believe he fire on it aswell but with the J, I think he can safely value it, knowing all draws missed and get value from, 88s 99s 1010, maybe even 55s, 66s. The reason I think he will continue to fire on the river if another diamond comes is the same reason I think he even started to bluff at this pot from the beginn with, if another diamonds come he can represent it knowing noone else has the nutflush. and if the flush misses, he can still bluff out those draws that missed, like naked flush draws or combo draws like 64 of diamonds, 6,5 diamonds by representing an overpair like 88s, 99s or in some cases even boats, I think it makes more sense for dwan to have hands like 22,33 A,2 suited or 77s than antonious. So even the flush misses but bricks, like a 8c he can still put pressure and get some folds out of antonius overpairs if he has one. Remember the pot size bet on the river aswell, thats why its so chocking when he gets raised, because its so polarized on a board like this. Basically saying its full houses or better, and I think there is more bluff hands hands that will do this than value hands, and to call roughly 90k more to win 320k should be profiting in the long run, specially against a player like antonious whos range is very wide and are definitive one of the likely players to do stabbs like this. If I'm not misstaken its 3:1 odds, so he needs to be right what about 33% of the times? I think he is against a player like antonious just my amatuere analyze
haven't finished video yet but i'm surprised you say flatting turn is better than a raise. i would have thought it reasonable to separate your ranges here. also, in a recent vid you said it's generally not good to flat draws that lose to bluffs. i'm guessing there's just not enough value hands to have a raise range, but flatting 6 high vs aggro spazz feels like you only win when you hit...
Doug, couldn't Dwan have a high pair like Kings, Queens or Jacks betting 5700 on the flop, and just chose to play conservatively preflop in order to squeeze more money out of the table or trap someone later?
Dwan would probably 3bet all his KTs+, QTs+ and T8s+ and worse suited connectors or even suited garbage. When you play that loose aggressive from the blinds, it makes zero sense to ever slowplay AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ.
I think he went for the flop lead because he has the A of diamonds and could block the nut flush on the turn if a diamond comes. I doubt he would have led the flop without the ace of diamonds. What do you think Doug?
@Doug After the turn you said Tom might be trying to represent 10s or 9s. Why wouldn't you think he could have Js or Qs? Another thought, please correct me - I think if he had a 2 or a 3, he would have checked to see if Ivey raises but since he didn't he wouldn't have a 2 or a 3. Am i thinking right?
I'm new to poker, but been watching a lot of videos. Can someone please explain who's money they're playing with? Sponsors? Promoters? Their own money? Who is paying for what?
The only time i have ever taken a line like this was a wierd pot where I flatted a 3-bet with QQ, had an over pair all the way, but the board was such that I couldn't afford to give free cards to my two opponents (1 opponent after the flop), so I took it three streets for value. Dwan isn't doing that, but if he had maybe KK it would make more sense.
I agree with leading the flop and turn here, however those amounts are reaaally weird, basically Dwan is either having the nuts or saying "Look buddy I have Ax of diamonds here, you should fold, your draw is not as good." and Antonious knows Dwan's weird line, that's why let's him lead and doesn't raise the flop, to let him bluff. If there river is not a J it would've veen better, Antonious would've still raised or potted and Dwan would either fold/jam given all the missed draws out there.
Maybe Timmy Dwan was thinking on 322 flop AJ is good or AK AQ will fold to two bets. Instead of checking and allowing shit hands like 87 free equity why not lead? Pairs and flush draws will call. Ace or Jack should beat all pairs if hits and AJ can beat missed flush draws. I don't see this play all that bad but I still enjoyed you saying Dwan played this hand like an idiot. :D
I think Tom is leading because he has the ace of diamonds in his hand and also that board doesn’t hit anyone’s range (Tom could have a deuce though and if his actual hand was A2 suited I think he takes basically the same line)
My names not Doug but the general rule is usually to play with only 1% of your bankroll, but at the low stakes with $90 I wouldnt be afraid of playing some $1 tourneys
Dwan was repping a deuce. He, like Ivey, is known for having a wide range. Leading out with a 2 with a flush draw on the board is the right play, and he's also (as seen) is going to have a lot of bluffs. Plus: Ivey and Antonius are, like durrr, players who have a lot of faith in their post-flop play and so willing to play a wide range. He also the A of diamonds, so he knows no one has the nut flush draw.
Haha, I kind of like this play in a way. If Dwan knows that Ivey opens this wide, and Antonius flats this wide in position, Dwan should get more than enough folds on the flop. The funny thing is, that even though Dwans ranged is capped, he likely has the strongest range of all players here, AJo is surely ahead of Iveys and Antonious ranges, and maybe it plays better as a donk than a awkward check call. AdJx doesn't seem like the worst bluff hand either. Any A or J is likely good, and he can barrel overcards and diamonds. Even when called, he probably figures he can fold out most of the low pairs by the river. I mean, don't get me wrong, you will get into a shit ton of weird spots by playing like this and I can't recommend it to anyone, but Dwan is obviously quite comfortable with taking creative/batshitcrazy lines
I’m a basketball fan . During the season teams aren’t always playing good teams . Translation good players aren’t always playing good players .. it seems poker players are always playing the best poker players . It’s awesome to me I do they even make money when they keep playing the best ! Haha it’s like all stars every table I watch
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What a lineup on this table. Miss the days of poker when this was a frequent occurrence.
Yes that table was stacked.
Meh
Gotta love Dwan's facial expressions
The pain! Also, I am a fellow CaffeineAddict
when the adderall jitters kick in
I think he leads the flop as a feeler bet, at the same time, if he checks he is basically giving up on this hand. Not to say that he can also make at least one player fold, which would be Ivey, coz a call with small pair from there would expose himself to a squeeze from Patrik as well.This bet also allows him to, in case of getting 3bet, he can 4 bet flop polarizing between having hit the deuce or having a flush draw of his own. Remember he´s got the key card to bluff/represent the flush draw, the A of diamonds. Clearly not standard play, but then again, standard is not Dwan´s sytle. Dwans face after Patricks river raise though... ahahahahh I´m convinced thats a bit of theatre...he was never folding!
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@@DougPolkPoker 8
"He played this hand like an idiot and now has top pair."
Best Polk-Quote thus far. Lol
Tom Dwan playing a hand like an idiot... Meaning he didn't fold after the flop when he missed everything haha polk you're not a poker player. Just a guy with money that gambles and gets lucky. You'll win a lot and lose a lot but you're never gonna be relevant for 15+ years
played it like an idiot who put antonius on a missed draw... was shocked by the 3 barrel being so big.... but thats it...
Blake Allen lol Polk was a dropped out of college and broke I guess he knows what he is talking about
U need to check yourself if you are talking crap on dwan on poker instincts especially on a hand you admit multiple times you “dont know” about
No reference to the best Phil Ivy joke of all time on this clip. Shame.
IVY: I don't drink until after midnight. It's good for weight loss.
HELMUTH: Is it?
IVY: No.
Golden
Hey Doug, it would be cool if you make analyses of older poker hands as well, like those of Stu Ungar, Johnny Chan, Doyle Brunson, etc. Thanks!
This would be great! Great idea for the channel imo
I like this idea
Daniel Junior Domingo how much footage is out there?
Not a lot of Unger footage out there.
You can tell this guy is jealous of how rich Tom Dwan is, let's see you play on a high stakes cash game for millions of dollars there douche hawk.
Doug Polk Poker Took the words right out of my mouth. I bet this guy is stuck at the $1 SnG's.
When you're breakeven at the micros and Tom Dwan is currently the boss of the Triads it's hard to talk.
lmfao the posters man they get me everytime
Doug Polk Poker yo send me a dollar on stars nigga, sn-pushindjoke , I'll brag to all my bitches
Hey Doug, I heard everyone is getting a stake? I'd like some fillet steak rare please. Im a big fan of your music too. Love Blink-182.
Doug has a man crush on Dwan.
Edit... I'm now convinced that Doug Polk and Tom Dwan are in fact the same person.
All joking aside I have nothing but respect for you Doug. I'm new to poker and you were the first streamer I watched. You've inspired me to continue to improve my game. Also think it's cool the High Schools we went to are 30 minutes apart.
Keep up the good work. Didn't intend to offend.
It is common knowledge that Doug is hiding Durr in his basement. For what sick reasons, is yet to be revealed.
Robert Rexrode what kind of Poker do you like to play specifically?
Dwan's face at 9:20 is priceless
Starts with 😑 as he bets river,
Sees Patrik put chips in pot 😯
Sees Patrik's chips are WAY more than a call 😦>😧>😮>😲>😳>😵>😱
It sounds like Doug doesn't like Dwan
@Daniel Treadwell the fuk? lot of people likes dwan for the good tv he gave us. althought hes no longer considered as the top 10 best right still lot of poker fans rooting for him when they see him play. GTO poker is boring asf, its something u wanna learn when grinding online.
u dont wanna rail that.
@@transeeyou885 Dwan is a scammer, that's why people don't like him.
Who does? 😏😏😏
Doug doesn't like anyone
pierrearr why? What did he scam
Although Dwan's line is obviously weird, I think all of the action in the hand was probably influenced by the props (Phil, Patrik and Daniel were all involved). I forget who had what suits, but based on the side bets they had, some players were MUCH more likely to have diamonds. Also I think the reason Ivey played the 87 was because they had side bets that were 5-10k (plus multipliers for hitting on consecutive flops) for hitting the 7 of your suit. So I believe Ivey's 7d was a blocker to the props.
Dude, the look on Antonious is priceless. I love this guy!
What look? He's stone cold
I love the freeze frame at 11:42 of Tom's face. That coupled with you at the same time saying "He's played this hand like an idiot...", is amazing.
11:44 "Tom Dwan play this hand like an idiot and now he has top pair" lol
"I don't really mind folding, calling, or raising here, but keep in mind folding wouldn't bother me but you could just call, but also if you raise well it costs more for you and others" ...Doug Polk.
From watching all of PAD, I have noticed that he will take this exact line with in this case a deuce in his hand. He seems to like to lead and barrel paired boards so by that logic he has to have a wider range and not just 3 of a kind every time he does it. I agree with you that it's weird but he does have lots of experience playing these players and maybe that was a factor we couldn't comment on.
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These shows made poker soft coz everyone wanted to become a spewtard...now it's all nits :(
someone explain pls
Googlyeye74 soft means folding easily. Spewtard is someone who bets big at everything. A “nit” means never in there, and is someone who only plays premium hands
@@thomasobrien4707 Almost. Soft means the game is easy and profitable. So, there are lots of bad players.
@Randomly Interesting, if you don't know how to crush other nits you are probably a nit yourself.
Interesting, I feel like the confusion that Dwan gives Polk only proves how good Dwan really is.
or maybe dwan is a fish in that level
Well, you're talking about two different eras of poker. Even if Dwan would be a fish now, he sure as hell was not a fish then. Especially on these particular shows (Poker After Dark and High Stakes Poker), Ivey and Antonius were the only two even remotely in his league.
Still poker (and most likely Dwan's game) has evolved a lot since these games were filmed. So it really should not be any surprise that someone at Polk's level today would see some big gaps in Dwan's game back then.
overg he was not a fish in general,but ivey and antonious was always one step ahead of him imo.that makes him a fish when he play against them.
Nowdays,dwan is playing only in prive cash games in macao.he plays only against rich whales and when a pro does that,he cant evolve his game.of,course,this is ok if he can win big money by doing that
Daniel Negreneu is also in his league here..
Nope, just nope. I like his analysis "dwan repping overpair" when he flats from sb rofl, and then we end up having a jack he's like "yeah same idea" haha. Why so many people give so much credit to this dude is beyond me.
dwans flop lead is weird but I don't hate it. he's repping a duece, and as the guy who called out of the small blind he is the most likely guy to have it. He also has the Ad, so he can rep huge on diamonds because he blocks the nut flush. the two overcards are a nice bit of bail out equity too. Given the flop texture he also has the best hand a decent % of the time, but he probably can't win even when he does have the best hand of he checks. If you are going to have a donking range in this spots this isn't a terrible hand to use as a bluff IMO.
He shouldnt have a deuce for flatting oop
Yea I completely agree Peter. I'm not sure why Doug thinks Dwans lead out on flop and turn doesn't make any sense. He pretty much fires with pretty much his entire range of hands that have any equity. (all deuce x suited, flush draws, pairs, ace highs with backdoors-A5/Adx) If this wasn't Tom Dwan that would be completely understandable, but I'm obviously missing something Dougs thinking of because surely Tom Dwan IS NOT check calling/check raising any of those hands.....Also, Antnoius's bluff is pretty amazing or so I* thought because of this (Dwan leading out with so many hands/where as Antonius's range by the river once raised is almost certainly beating all of those...besides the busted flush draw, which just seems* sooooo unlikely .
a2hh a2cc are in his range for sure, and this deep and with their dynamic he doesn't never call his off suited a2. hell he might even have k2s this deep.
Hey Doug, is it possible that Tom wants to lead all of his 2s on the flop and take control of the action in fear that it will check through, but also wants to check all of his draws? Then to balance the lead with any 2, he picks the best possible hand that he wouldn't 3 bet pre flop (assuming he 3bets AQ and AK) and that isn't a draw, which is AJ. This way when he gets called, he's actually ahead of hands like KQ, and draws like Antonius has
I think Dwan was repping specifically a deuce.
He called out of the SB with very good pot odds, so he definitely should have some deuces like A2s, 32s and 42s in his range, especially since he is Tom Dwan who has very wide ranges in general
and if you made trip 2s on the flop, it's very reasonable for him to lead out twice, since often times Ivey as the preflop aggressor will check with Patrick being behind him and Patrick will check also a ton because other than middle pairs he rarely has value here.
And even those are good pot control checks on occasion.
I initially thought that as well but why would you lead out if you had a deuce? Surely in that spot it's best to check and let Ivey barrel?
Sam Riley That's just what Dwan does. Obviously I haven't seen all of his hands, but even in Doug's last video about the top NLHE online pots, there's one where he donks into the 3bettor with bottom set. So he clearly takes weird lead lines meaning he would quite possibly do it with a 2 here (no matter how suboptimal it may be).
Sam Riley not necessarily. some pros will donk when they are in multiway pots. the preflop raiser usually has a much lower cbet frequency multi way, so by donking you make sure the flop doesn't check thru. It is a weird line but it's not uncommon
Because you don't want to risk it getting checked through. Ivey is supposed to have broadway cards which did not hit this flop unless they were diamond suited which is less likely because Dwan holds the Ace of diamonds. Antonious has suited connectors like he does in his range or middling overpair. Dwan is most likely to hold a deuce. If anyone else was holding the suited diamonds it gives them a chance to just check and actualize their equity.
he could have those 2s. But there aren't many combos. But, and I was more convinced after reading through these comments, it is in his range. The likelihood of flush draws is reduced by both his line, the fact that he can't have a 2 and a flush draw (cause that's polker) and his betting out on the flop rather than check calling/check raising which is the more optimal play you'd think with either.
Where do I watch these complete episodes?
"i think he haas an overpair"
"i think youre right is that AK?"
lol wtf Leanne
I think she said "I think you're right" and saw the face up cards after but because they were so far away she thought it was AK
Right, but she should know there is no K on the board, so no pair.
@@cheetah219 They thought he had KK or AA in his hand before he revealed his hand. Afterwards they saw the AK and didn't think it was a pair anymore
that pot wouldve paid off my house, student loan, and car....grrrr
your house, student loan, and car could have fed an african child for his entire life...... grrrr
@@kevinyuen6145 Wrong. Unless it's a short life
love it doug !!! ”he played this hand like an idiot and now he has top pair”
This is just Tom Dwan being Tom Dwan. He loves putting pressure on people and that is why he is so good. Patrick represented what you said: a full house. Tom called him.
What do you think about check calling river as Dwan?
I mean you can almost always name some worse hands that maybe call. He's overrepping his hand when he fires river. Idk how much sense it makes as a merged range/thin value bet, especially after this retarded line, which is why I was asking Doug.
What's the worst hand you x/c river here as Durrrr?
@@oldmanyellsatscreen You could check/call the river with a hand like KJs/QJs of diamonds (but I think Dwan is 3-betting those hands 100% of the time), although it makes your opponent having a flush draw less likely. I don't think many solid players are value betting 88/99 on that river in position vs a check, but there is always the possibility of a pure bluff float. AJo is probably the only legit bluff-catcher Dwan has in his range.
I know this is an old video, but I just watched it now. THIS is a prime example of Negreanu's inferiority to Polk. The last few seconds of the video shows Negreanu, after predicting AA, KK or QQ, stating "that over-pairs vs AJ is basically the same idea". Clearly, based on pre-flop action, this is flatly incorrect. You can safely rule out over-pairs 99.99% of the time. They are statistically irrelevant in this particular hand. They are not the same idea... they are not even in the same ballpark.
Anyone have the link to watch the full game please?
Seriously sick and genius how Tom Dwan played this hand. It was like art.
Yea Getting Lucky and Hitting River Jack...Genius...He Also Was STUNNED He Won The Pot
i saw you on my advertising youtube clips, But I have subscribed before. Nice to see a real pro giving his point of view in poker
Doug, I will tell you what you should know. Tom is saying with the flop bet that with that rag flop, if patrik did not hit the flop or don't have a pocket pair, tom is ahead with his ace, and has a nice kicker with the jack. why not bet the flop? he is still looking at two over and a back door flush draw, which would be the nuts with the ace. plus if a 4 falls on the turn he opens up for the wheel. I like toms play.
I kind of like a check/call on the river if I'm Dwan. There are a ton of missed draws that gives your opponent an opportunity to bluff and we probably have the best hand unless Antonius really did flop 33 or had like an A2s type hand. But maybe there's some meta reads I am not privy to.
Tom is the best NLH cash game player of all time
Trying to watch Doug`s video but stunned by Doug`s commercial. Dougception has become real.
How about you analyze hand Dwan vs Zigmund where both of them had full houses(Ilari had 9s full of 7s, and Durrrr 7s full of 9s), and/or I believe one of the most memorable Poker After Dark hands Ivey vs Zigmund (flush vs full house on the river) ?
I think that’s a great move from Antonio although he lost. He correctly put Dwan on two over cards until the turn. Dwan would have bet the more or less the same amount on the river whether or not he paired his jack. Antonio has position on him and made it look like I’m slow playing holding a 2 (at least). That’s a great move IMO and would have worked if an A or J hasn’t shown up on the river.
I like hearing what you have to say while simultaneously trying to wonder what these players were thinking
Hi Doug. Just was wondering if you ever played HU against Tom, Ivey or Patrik? Would love to see it if you ever did
This is sucha sick call. DURRRR the GOAT
This vid gave me a Jivaro software add, is that relevant at all in the modern scene of software?
btw Ivey is UTG/LJ no? Hellmuth - HJ, Antonius - CO, DNEGS - D, Dwan - SB, Viffer - BB
I love the contrast of poker faces between Patrik and Tom.
Dug you're an absolute beast
Fantastic poker analysis like always Doug but the one thing I think you're forgetting to mention here is these guys dwan Ivey and antonious have played together so much so you have to keep that in mind
They kno each other so well that's prob why you see dwan doing that flop bet and antonious doing that river re-raise bluff he prob doesn't make that play against any1 but tom cuz tom 'knows him well' (played lots of hands against him) so that has to be mentioned / kept in mind when u see them doing unorthodox plays like that
Fantastic stuff like always Doug keep up the amazing poker videos miss your gamer mentality and drive in the game but always for ppl doing what is right for them / makes them happy
Much love Doug
would a3 of clubs be the best hand for antonius to be bluffing here? cant think of a better one
Tom Dwan isn't missing mate. I saw him being interviewed last week and promoting an upcoming high roller event (which he said he intended to win).
(Turn bet is $16,300, not $6,500.) Dwan is leading for some pretty big bets; nearly 80% on flop, and close to 90% on turn - I mean, I guess it also depends if the video has been edited in any way, because we get the impression Antonius is calling pretty quickly on both flop and turn - so Dwan should probably be worried if this is the case. If Dwan has a reputation for being hyper-aggressive, you want to let him hang himself sometimes, especially when he's out of position.
Also note that Tom is holding the Ace of Diamonds; that also might influence what he thinks Patrick might have - ie: it makes a busted flush less likely, if he's considering combinatorics here. It actually sounds like Tom is making a crying call - the thing is, he's getting about 2.5:1 on a call; Top-Top is usually good more than 28.5% of the time on this type of board if we're going directly by the maths - but the thing is, Dwan has put himself in this horrible position by making such big flop and turn bets with no hand - the fact he's made a hand on the river is kind of redundant; his flop and turn bluffs were way too big if Antonius actually has trips or better here.
If Antonius puts in a bigger raise on the river, he *might* get Dwan off his hand - but it would probably need to be at least 180,000 - Dwan might have put in too much money, regardless, when he makes this hand.
I know I'm way late on this one but Doug can be savage at times. "Tom Dawn being Tom Dawn, and that's why he ended up being on milk carton".
Doug,
Great hand analysis. Keep'em coming!
You forget that these guys all used to play on HSP and love playing the 7 2 game. It's not unrealistic to think Antonius has a boat.
I would love to see you in the GPL next season, I know you mentioned why you dont like it in poker new but the idea of you playing against some of the best players and the likes of jason mercier would be amazing
How calling with 6-4 suited in the CU could be "okay" if opening with 87 offsuit UTG is too loose ?! I don't understand that part… Or is it okay because it's Ivey so we know he has a wide range ?
i wish you would more table dynamics; when ivey raise with 87 he is likelier to play with tom only since hellmuth negreanu were on the tighter preflop range , ivey probably was thinking im gonna be playing with BB tom so i have position and that was good enough for him.
also they were playing 300 /600 with 100 ante wich makes raising with 87 easier
I think Tom dwan does this only because he have the A of diamond, knowing noone else could have the nut flush draw, 223, with 2 diamonds should be a relative safe flopp unless someone has a 2 or 33, wich is very unlikely, most likely hands that will continue are drawing hands or a overpair. perhaps some 3,4 3,5 hands aswell. depending on the card he can continue to bluff the turn, a 7 make sense to continue bluff with, straight/flush draw misses, an overpair will still continue with just a call. now the pot bet size is great, polarizing antonios calling hands and putting the pressure on, but also gives great amount of information, when he calls here, he should have overpairs, or combo draw like flush/straight draws, If another diamond comes, I 100% believe he fire on it aswell but with the J, I think he can safely value it, knowing all draws missed and get value from, 88s 99s 1010, maybe even 55s, 66s.
The reason I think he will continue to fire on the river if another diamond comes is the same reason I think he even started to bluff at this pot from the beginn with, if another diamonds come he can represent it knowing noone else has the nutflush. and if the flush misses, he can still bluff out those draws that missed, like naked flush draws or combo draws like 64 of diamonds, 6,5 diamonds by representing an overpair like 88s, 99s or in some cases even boats, I think it makes more sense for dwan to have hands like 22,33 A,2 suited or 77s than antonious. So even the flush misses but bricks, like a 8c he can still put pressure and get some folds out of antonius overpairs if he has one. Remember the pot size bet on the river aswell, thats why its so chocking when he gets raised, because its so polarized on a board like this. Basically saying its full houses or better, and I think there is more bluff hands hands that will do this than value hands, and to call roughly 90k more to win 320k should be profiting in the long run, specially against a player like antonious whos range is very wide and are definitive one of the likely players to do stabbs like this. If I'm not misstaken its 3:1 odds, so he needs to be right what about 33% of the times? I think he is against a player like antonious
just my amatuere analyze
Great video Doug, keep up the good work, I love your channel.
haven't finished video yet but i'm surprised you say flatting turn is better than a raise. i would have thought it reasonable to separate your ranges here. also, in a recent vid you said it's generally not good to flat draws that lose to bluffs.
i'm guessing there's just not enough value hands to have a raise range, but flatting 6 high vs aggro spazz feels like you only win when you hit...
Is Pete always geeked out?
Haha love watching Viffer play. He doesn’t do much poker anymore I’ve heard. Anyone know why ?
but doesn't dawn having the ace of diamonds make a call worse, less chance of Antonius having a flush draw?
Doug, couldn't Dwan have a high pair like Kings, Queens or Jacks betting 5700 on the flop, and just chose to play conservatively preflop in order to squeeze more money out of the table or trap someone later?
Hemi Mulligan Really? I'm a noob so genuinely want to know if this is plausible.
no
Dwan would probably 3bet all his KTs+, QTs+ and T8s+ and worse suited connectors or even suited garbage. When you play that loose aggressive from the blinds, it makes zero sense to ever slowplay AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQ.
Doug, bro! It is not calling raises. It is calling Dwan's bets by Antonius :-)
I think he went for the flop lead because he has the A of diamonds and could block the nut flush on the turn if a diamond comes. I doubt he would have led the flop without the ace of diamonds. What do you think Doug?
"picked a nice little bluff" of 135k $
@Doug After the turn you said Tom might be trying to represent 10s or 9s. Why wouldn't you think he could have Js or Qs? Another thought, please correct me - I think if he had a 2 or a 3, he would have checked to see if Ivey raises but since he didn't he wouldn't have a 2 or a 3. Am i thinking right?
what I want to know is what is Dwan hoping to get called by with his river bet? A pocket pair lower than jacks?
Maybe 99/88. Possibly KJs, QJs, JTs, J9s of diamonds. Who knows, I prefer a check/call myself, but I also don't value bet thin enough on rivers.
BTW who haven't seen the the sixth season of poker after dark, they are doing flips 100k each blind pre-flop, like 3-4 times
Do you think Antonius is also raising A2s on this river ?
yes
no idea why some of your vids got so many dislikes
they are top notch
I'm new to poker, but been watching a lot of videos. Can someone please explain who's money they're playing with? Sponsors? Promoters? Their own money? Who is paying for what?
Doug! I think Tom was saying I have Ace high which is good... like it’s Ivey and antinoius no1 ever has anything lol
The only time i have ever taken a line like this was a wierd pot where I flatted a 3-bet with QQ, had an over pair all the way, but the board was such that I couldn't afford to give free cards to my two opponents (1 opponent after the flop), so I took it three streets for value. Dwan isn't doing that, but if he had maybe KK it would make more sense.
So many amazing poker players around this table.
Seidel vs Urbanovich EPT 2015 Grand Final SHR Heads Up for the title analysis please, when Seidel called on the river with J High
I love these Durrrr win
I agree with leading the flop and turn here, however those amounts are reaaally weird, basically Dwan is either having the nuts or saying "Look buddy I have Ax of diamonds here, you should fold, your draw is not as good." and Antonious knows Dwan's weird line, that's why let's him lead and doesn't raise the flop, to let him bluff.
If there river is not a J it would've veen better, Antonious would've still raised or potted and Dwan would either fold/jam given all the missed draws out there.
The intervieweress had no clue what just happened..
Negreanu at the end says Tom likely has over pairs like AA, KK or QQ. How is that even possible given the preflop action.
How did I know this video was gonna be 10 minutes longer than it should be
Where did the Haxton poster go?
He looks like the kid from Home Alone lmao
Okay, the hand is interesting to watch and analyze and all. But has anybody mentioned Peat's hair?
Maybe Timmy Dwan was thinking on 322 flop AJ is good or AK AQ will fold to two bets. Instead of checking and allowing shit hands like 87 free equity why not lead? Pairs and flush draws will call. Ace or Jack should beat all pairs if hits and AJ can beat missed flush draws. I don't see this play all that bad but I still enjoyed you saying Dwan played this hand like an idiot. :D
Which season is this?
Daniel explained the hand in 5 seconds. Polk was clueless the entire video! Lmao
True. He even had the advantage of knowing the turnout and hole cards. DN is #1
"He played this hand like an idiot and now has top pair." Lost it. =D
This youtube channel exists to provoke arrogant old pros into playing Polk heads-up.
Yeah, you had no idea, kkkkk
what's the side bet Ivey and Daniel are making?
I think Tom is leading because he has the ace of diamonds in his hand and also that board doesn’t hit anyone’s range (Tom could have a deuce though and if his actual hand was A2 suited I think he takes basically the same line)
Nice videos man
Dug Polker... I can dig it.
Gotta mix up your strategy sometimes
You should call the series Dug up Polker hands. Right guys? Right?
My names not Doug but the general rule is usually to play with only 1% of your bankroll, but at the low stakes with $90 I wouldnt be afraid of playing some $1 tourneys
Dan Polk yo, Dan Polk.
For me this simply proves why I think Patrick Antonious is my favorite player
Met him once at the hermitage hotel pool in Monaco, invited him to lunch by the pool. We had a drink then I must have bored him cause he left hahah
Dwan was repping a deuce. He, like Ivey, is known for having a wide range. Leading out with a 2 with a flush draw on the board is the right play, and he's also (as seen) is going to have a lot of bluffs. Plus: Ivey and Antonius are, like durrr, players who have a lot of faith in their post-flop play and so willing to play a wide range.
He also the A of diamonds, so he knows no one has the nut flush draw.
I think Negreanu summed this up, Dwan represented overpair sensing weakness in Antonius.
Haha, I kind of like this play in a way. If Dwan knows that Ivey opens this wide, and Antonius flats this wide in position, Dwan should get more than enough folds on the flop.
The funny thing is, that even though Dwans ranged is capped, he likely has the strongest range of all players here, AJo is surely ahead of Iveys and Antonious ranges, and maybe it plays better as a donk than a awkward check call. AdJx doesn't seem like the worst bluff hand either. Any A or J is likely good, and he can barrel overcards and diamonds. Even when called, he probably figures he can fold out most of the low pairs by the river.
I mean, don't get me wrong, you will get into a shit ton of weird spots by playing like this and I can't recommend it to anyone, but Dwan is obviously quite comfortable with taking creative/batshitcrazy lines
I’m a basketball fan . During the season teams aren’t always playing good teams . Translation good players aren’t always playing good players .. it seems poker players are always playing the best poker players . It’s awesome to me I do they even make money when they keep playing the best ! Haha it’s like all stars every table I watch
I appreciate ur passion for the game
That’s why Dwan’s the 🐐
Yo Doug you should make one of those cash game poker vlogs of you playing at the casino
Doug, I feel like it's time you explain what's on your finger in the TV-games with Aussie matt, Colman etc.
It's a splint. I broke my ring finger on a poorly designed dumbbell rack.
So it wasn't some modern fashion rape ring of sorts huh.
Gotta be honest, had my hopes up.
HI Doug I really Like your Channel and your strategies, I loved all the videos of the 105k Tournament. I' was wondering if I could have some cash or tickets , Where I live is impossible to get foreign currencies(I live in Venezuela) for playing poker. I'd be happy even with 13$ my pokerstars ID Jacatuk.I'd like to have your Poker Guides/courses in order to improve mi poker game too but I can't afford them. I would love playing poker for living but it is very hard in my country due to the highest inflation rate on the planet and the government doesn't allow the citizens to have foreign currencies such as dollars,euros,etc, really sad. I really feel confident to play poker but I'm stuck because of my Bankroll.
thank you man!! its great