Oddly enough, my copy of Spirit Tracks was gifted to me by one of my teachers in highschool, as a reward for my good efforts. Yeah, I too find that weird, and I was the one who picked said game
@@Nyarlabrotep that was never confirmed, in fact it's more likely due to being after WW due to rock salt, but yeah it's a theory plus uh if it was before, the castle wouldn't look the way it does in ww I'm pretty sure
The sight of Zelda with those evil eyes and her ghost actually being more useful than most Zelda of the series is actually super cool. Big up for Spirit Track.
Easily the best part of the game (for me at least) was doing the two part puzzles in the tower of spirits with zelda. Going full metal alchemist with zelda was such a cool vibe
It would be interesting to have the demon world as a future Zelda setting. Perhaps Demise wasn't the leader of the Demon Tribe, but maybe its top warrior.
That was something that used to happen among anglo-saxons. If the warlord dies in combat, no one flees, someone takes its place. Soldiers follow their leaders till death.
He was the leader of the demons invading Hyrule. He may not be even close to the strongest demon. After all...why does he want the power of the triforce for? His stated goal is kinda vague. Why does he want to make a new world?
One of the most forced concepts in all of the series. Instead of varied enemies, now everything can be traced back to a single curse. It deletes the identity of all these individual events/villains.
@@Thirteen13551355 i mean kinda but also not quite, i mean absolutely any ganon villain is essentially part of demise’s undying hatred but any other villain like zant or kohga while either working with or working for ganon still have their own discernible quirks and goals tho i get what you mean, most of the big villains are either an incarnation of ganon or quite heavily work with him, but they still have plenty of room to work with even that, given ganons various different incarnations like calamity ganon, yea it might be still the same evil reincarnated like link and zelda are, but they can still switch things up
@@Thirteen13551355 I fail to see how it, in anyway, 'deletes the identity' of the villains or events. Its the underlying cause, yes, but it doesn't change dick or shit about the specifics. There's no physical, tangible force, no dead hand of the long dead big scary evil bad guy throwing people around like pieces on a chess board. Nor, frankly, do we even know if the curse DOES actually apply to other villains than Ganon. That's never been stated nor confirmed so far as I'm aware, not even to the big major ones like Vaati or such. It sure as shit doesn't to minor ones like Zant or whoever. This reads more like you taking a chance to whine and vent about a game you don't like, frankly.
@@papapalps2415 It deletes the identity because if this is the case, as described in the video, they're all reincarnations of Demise (play Skyward Sword). I'm not saying this is confirmed, but if it's the case, and this video assumes so, that's not very enjoyable. Also I love Zelda and I've played every single game at least three times. Baby assumptions won't do much of anything to counter my point. Bad storytelling is a forte of Zelda, however, and I like mentioning that.
@@Thirteen13551355 "....they're all reincarnation of Demise (play Skyward Sword)...." No, it doesn't, and no amount of braindead snarky condescension is going to change that. All SS does is specify that Demise cursed Hyrule/the spirit of the Hero/blood of the goddess/etc to be followed by his hatred forever (and in reality, per the original Japanese text, its not even his curse alone, but by the Demon Tribe as a whole). Not that it particularly matters anyhow, because whether or not Ganon (and perhaps co.) are his direct reincarnation or not, they bare very little to outright no actual, meaningful resemblance to him otherwise bar surface level shit. Woop-de-fucking-do. Try again. "...that's not very enjoyable..." For...who, exactly? What, you? Who the fuck cares what you regard as personally enjoyable, pray tell, Random Internet Dweller #79957? "Baby assumptions won't do much of anything to counter my point..." The idea of you having a point is laughable by this point. You are taking the chance to bitch and moan in a RUclips comments section about something you don't like, and dressing it up in a meatsuit of objectivity. Which, really, just makes you one amongst thousands, but nevertheless. "Bad storytelling is a forte 9f Zelda, however, and I like mentioning that..." Like so, for instance. Also, noice b8 m8.
Really this video was about Force. Demise was mentioned more then Malladus. It’s probably because of what little information we have on the Demon tribe, and on its rank system. So far we’ve met; Demise: Demon King Malladus: Demon King Majora: Demon King? Ganondorf: Demon King (not naturally, became it once using the Triforce of power to turn into Ganon) Yuga: Demon King (Becomes one after fusing with Ganon) Giraham: Demon Lord Chancellor Cole: Demon Lord? Bellum: Demon (Phantom class) Batreaux: Demon Vaati: Demon (Becomes one, originally Picori) Skeldritch: Achient demon titan… dead Demon Train: Demon (Tank/Train class) Chances are, the rank of a Demon more in reference to its power level, not their status within the tribe. Demon Kings are the most powerful, and can only be harmed by special weapons which use Force in one state or another. Demon Lords are the right hands of the Demon Kings. They are more powerful then your regular Demon, and can take on a human-like form. Invariably the Demon Lord aims to free their masters, or otherwise aid in their conquest. Then Demons are generally powerful creatures. They serve nobody, and only listen to a Demon King or Lord. If left unchecked they will ravage a world, feeding off the Force of other beings. Some are more chill then others, Batreaux for instance only feeds off people’s force from a distance, not directly trying to remove it from people. Others are more aggressive, Bellum for instance keeps a pocket dimension hostage, feeding off the force of the dimension’s deity, and anybody who slips inside the dimension. Vaati is not as aggressive as Bellum, although he still goes for the largest deposit of Force he can find.. and his desire to feed on it turns him into a demon. Skeldritch was a tactical play. He was tasked with killing those who were forging the bow of light in the deserts of new Hyrule. Having broken into the Pyramid stronghold, he made his way to the basement and killed those who sought to make the weapon capable of killing his master. He was partially successful, the people who made the bow never got it out the pyramid… however he found himself trapped within the pyramid itself and slowly starved to a skeletal state, feeding of the life force of those he killed, until the supply ran dry and he was forced to slumber until a new source of food entered. The Demon Train is essentially a massive tank. It’s purpose is to act as a damage sponge in times of war, and help decimate the enemy factions. After Malladus was sealed though, it was left wandering about the demon realm until recruited by Cole.
No kidding. An when the subjet of Malldus is brought up being the evil of gannon reborn. Nintendoblackcrisis glossis over that since, there was no connection since, the Gannon curse, demise cruse, and what Malladus wanted to do was different. An if the video did try to connect Malladus to Gannon's evil. Well, there's a ton of plot holes, That would make the video more of fan fic. If you ignore the guessing game most of this video was when, it wasnt filler XD
@@sujimatsubackupaccount194 I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
This actually made me think of something: if the Triforce is concentrated force, then is it the source of life itself? In Lorule, the world literally falls apart without the Triforce. We take Zelda's word on how the world formed in Ocarina of Time, but could she be off? Did the Goddesses make the Triforce to provide life and emotion to the world? That would explain why it talks in LTTP; it's made of everything that makes people in Hyrule alive, so of course it would also be alive.
My theory is that, in OoT it's mentioned that the goddesses descended upon "chaos" and created Hyrule out of it, so the Triforce is basically the pillar that keeps Hyrule seperate from chaos. Without it, as in Lorule, the land begins to return to chaos (thus explaining the crumbling). This is pure headcanon though lol
@@tinyetoile5503 well in twilight princess there is great swaths of land missing. Ganondorf, namely the triforce of power, isn't in hyrule. However since midna never mentions the triforce, its very possible she doesn't even know what it is. Ganondorf's piece isn't of the twilight realm and thus doesn't restore the land in said realm. If you notice, there is never direct sun, the planet is likely skewed and position where they never get direct sun anymore--nayru, minimum land except for what the castle rests on and maybe a few pockets here or there--din, and life, farore. It's very possible like in link between worlds, their triforce was destroyed and the world is much much closer to the brink of dying because of that. Lbw was basically a what if scenario if they did know of the triforce's existence.
@@ShadowSkyX ehhh I don't think that's so much the case- as long as the triforce is intact, so is the land. After all, Termina doesn't have a triforce at all and isn't crumbling, so it's possible it's on a world-by-world basis (and do not come at me with any "but termina was all a dream") and the twilight realm seems to be... less of a seperate universe and more of a different layer of the world of hyrule? Like the Silent Realms or the Sacred Realm. The triforce can stay in those just fine without the world falling apart, so since the land of twilight is also a Realm I think that also applies to it.
ina link betwene worlds when the triforce in lorule was destroyed the world was said to literally be crumbling away right? atleast until a wish brought there's back
Ah Spirit Tracks, my favorite Zelda game that I have never played. The concepts and new things are perhaps the most unique out of all the game. The music was amazing too.
You should play it if you have the chance ! I know it's complicated without a DS since emulators don't translate very well the touch controls (except if you have a tactile tablet I guess), but if you DO have a DS or 3DS, the controls are really fine. The only slightly annoying thing about the controls is the microphone use...
Spirit Tracks is too underrated. I wasn't sure if I'd like it, but after borrowing it from a friend and playing it to completion, I have come to appreciate it. Maybe we can get remakes of these like WWHD. We've already seen how good it can look in the Smash Ultimate stage. Thanks for a great video. But is there a source for the art?
@@williamgreninja158 The overworld theme is one of my favorite tracks (HA!) from the entire series, let alone Spirit Tracks itself. I have it on my phone and listen to it regularly.
Thanks for making video's about Phantom hourglass and Spirit tracks. These 2 games are heavily underrated. These were the first 2 games I ever played in the Zelda series. Even though I couldn't fully understand them at 6 years old (Im not a native english speaker), these games have a place in my heart
I love it when Zelda theorists talk about Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, especially Spirit Tracks. But yeah, I think Vaati, Bellum, and Malladus are connected to Demise in some way.
Ya, but I still think Vaati is kind of separeted, like Onox and Veeran, though Ganondorf was behind in the case of these, they were evil by their own choices... but that's me
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
Spirit Tracks has one of my favorite dungeons in Zelda, the Water, Sand and Tower of Spirits specifically. I will always have a soft spot for that game.
spirit tracks and phantom hourglass were the first video games i ever played and honestly they hold up incredibly well especially spirit track’s soundtrack, that was peak
Spirit tracks was my first Zelda and man, was i surprised when i found out much later none of the Zelda games had you play as Zelda (or that Zelda had any character development at all in them). Spirit tracks Zelda has been one of my favorite Heros/companion in gaming for some reason. Playing this game before playing Skyward Sword was a treat. Malladus, Bellum and other such bosses in the entire series were (imo) obvious representations of Demies's mallice.
This video made me think of this theory I thought of a little while ago and maybe it’s something for your next one: The reason why the Gods left the Triforce behind is because it keeps the world that they created in tact. You can see in Lorule that when the Triforce is destroyed all of the law that Nayru created is gone and it’s just pure chaos, the earth that Din created starts to crumble and most of the life that Farore created just exist of the Hylians and monsters.
It's also interesting that not only is the life force of Zelda in minish cap similar to the Triforce but the graditude crystals are a similar color suggesting all 3 are connected. So I guess the triforce is the most powerful, and possibly biggest, due to being the life force of the golden goddeses that created most if not everything then Hylia, who I think was less powerful as well as it being diluted due to her becoming mortal. This definitely suggests that graditude crystals are life force too, due to mortal races being less powerful and them requiring alot of graditude to create they are harder which could explain why the sides are pointy.
There's also the Sand of Hours of the same golden shade which prevents the damaging aura from affecting Link, as well as the time-altering properties (and biological processes, i.e. life, are heavily time-sensitive); I'd argue that the Sand of Hours is, in fact, composed of the same magic/matter/whatever as the Tri/Lifeforce. It's crazy how well Zelda games are interlinked: despite the timeline being a hot mess, there aren't a lot of actual retcons, so the earlier games still serve as a valid sources of lore.
A documentary would be great. By the way, I always believed that the Triforce was not only a relic left behind that represents their life force but it was also the physical manifestation of their bodies in the mortal world.
Finally this underrated entry gets a theory video of its own! Just happened to be playing through this again, Spirit Tracks has some of the best puzzles/dungeon designs and music in the series.
I think Malladus is a temporary form of demise’s hatred. He shares the title of Demon King with Demise and Ganon. I think Demise’s hatred hadn’t had enough time to reincarnate as Ganon, so it assumed a different form.
I’m so used to seeing the polygon Zelda in the cutscene that the thumbnail took my off guard. I never imagined just how terrifying it would look in real life. It’s a whole level of creepy I didn’t comprehend.
My first “game console” gaming device was the nintendo DS lite phantom hourglass bundle when I was 12, now I am obsessed with the zelda franchise and I owe it all to that game and spirit tracks which are my favorites, I still have both games and the ds with the 2 game cartridge cases it brings. Mad respect for making this video 🥰 A fan from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Finally, more attention towards the other Demon King that only appeared in one game (Demise technically appears more than once, since Ganon/Ganondorf is his reincarnation, and he appears more than once) EDIT: wait, you barelly went into Malladus. I mean, didn’t the two villians from the Oracle Games have a symbol on their outfit that is also used in Spirit Tracks? Are they connected to him?
Of the two I especially enjoyed Spirit Tracks. I felt the story was even better and unique. I also think the soundtrack of that game is a hidden masterpiece. So good.
So glad I'm finally watching this, having the DS Zelda's more recognised is splendid. Your discovery about the true nature of 'Force' is monumental in my eyes, a full video on it would be fantastic since I think there is so much it connects between the entire timeline that more people should know about. Thanks for all your hard work with these videos 🙏 Such high quality content
spirit tracks is the first zelda game I played at age 6 or 7, and while it isn't my favourite zelda game, it invokes such happiness in me that it will have a special place in my heart forever
i’d like to say that i’ve heard of a theory that demise is Hylia’s Lorulean form. Lorule is like an opposite, or mirrored kingdom from hyrule, which only appears in A Link Between Worlds. The demon tribe, along with Demise, is described to have invaded Hyrule through a fissure. The Link from A Link Between Worlds travels between Hyrule and Lorule through what is directly described as dark fissures.
I do wonder what demise's grudge against the gods is, what did the goddesses of Hyrule do that sparked so much hatred towards them? We have seen very few demons that are actually nice (or perhaps just a single demon, idk) so it is clearly possible to quell this hatred, and that it is possible to stop the curse before it becomes too powerful, especially because of Zelda's sealing powers, generation after generation the blood of the Goddess grows thinner in the royal family, and the power of the curse's hatred only grows every time it returns, despite the spirit of the hero having the possibility to always return, there will reach a point that even that will be enough to defeat Ganon (or whatever demon desires to bring Hyrule or whatever other land to ruin and rule the world), in fact we have seen this happen twice already, once on ocarina with the timeline where the hero of time loses to Ganon, and the second on breath of the wild, this cycle can only go for so long before the hatred becomes completely invincible. There is most likely a way to break the curse, but we don't know it yet, and neither does anyone in Hyrule, it's an ancient curse, fueled by a grudge against the goddesses, and no one has any idea on how to stop or make that grudge vanish, but it is clearly possible given how there's at least one friendly demon out there. If such a thing were to be a plot of a Zelda game, it would probably be the end of the demon tribe/demise's curse arc for the Zelda series, possibly the hardest Zelda game to be made, to represent the difficulty of stopping this cycle once and for all, most likely using time travel to go to the time before the goddesses even arrived and kill demise (or whatever made demise/demon tribe) before the arrival of the goddesses. Much like how Metroid Dread is described as the end of the Metroid/X parasite saga. Or who knows, perhaps Link becomes demise from going back in time to attempt to stop this curse and he ends up becoming the very thing that caused it's beginning in the first place, transformed into a twisted version of himself after the goddesses created everything on top of him.
Not gonna lie that seems like an idea that isn't all too impossible for it to be true I mean Demise owns a master sword of his own and considering there's no legend of a evil master sword being made that blade could be one and the same after let's say Link was corrupted and transformed into demise
Knowing nintendo there is no deeper meaning, demon's are bad and the heroes are good. Look I want a zelda game that attempts to be more complex, but seeing how most zelda games have always been its just gonna be good vs evil
A theory of mine is that the world of Hyrule is a prison for the demon tribes (like the symbiote planet in Marvel). That explains why they seek to destroy the world. They want freedom.
omg i just picked up my old spirit tracks cartridge from 2009 and played it to completion not even a week ago, i can't believe this video was made only yesterday!! i freaked out seeing it in my recommendations because it's my favorite zelda game besides minish cap
The demon tribe could just be a title for all the reincarnations of Demise, seeing as they are heavily related, but not all the same person, like a tribe.
I think Malladus is call "Demon king" because he took that position in the demonic hierarchy after Demise's death. On the other hand, Ganon is a "Demon king" for being the reincarnation of the former one.
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
I have both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks ever since I was little and I LOVE them. I still have the copies I played! Kind of a shame that they aren't talked about more.
Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks deserve the Switch Treatment. They should be released alongside Wind Waker HD for a pseudo-trilogy of games. It would sell like absolute hot-cakes. But we all know Nintendo makes the most bone headed decisions when it comes to selling their own flagship series.
@@DaShikuXI They would have to replace it with drawing with the analog stick or the motion controls. And they could implement the stamp system like in BOTW for some things. It would be a work-around, but I don't think those aspects alone should preclude them from the remasters they deserve.
@@7F0X7 Stamps do make sense yeah. I think drawing with the analog might just be a bit too awkward, especially for writing words. But yeah they should get a remaster at some point. At least you can play them on emulators though with pretty good rendering.
I love spirit tracks Zeldas relationship with link is one of if not the best And the story was a ton of fun I was so satisfied to get 999 hits on the swords man training
I would love to see a theory video on the sword that Hylia used. Like if the goddess sword was originally hers, then it must have been much weaker than Demise's blade. And was Fi always a part of the sword or was she created after Hylia chose to become a mortal. Also, if the Goddess Sword was originally Hylia's then what sword did the original Hero use?
It should be related to picori blade or four sword. And who is hero of men? Minish cap just doesn't fit convincingly in the timeline as of now ( also FSA).
the fact that the Demon Train has a similar face to Ganon and that Malladus has a gem piece right on his forehead similar to Ganondorf and is located in the same spot as Demise's forehead scar made it obvious that the Malladus and Cole fusion is meant to be the reincarnation of Ganon/Demise after the events of Wind Waker (but we also can't forget the blue skin featured in the downfall timeline Ganon)
Thank you for looking at the Japanese translation. It really completely changes the outlook of the whole Zelda-Link-Ganon dynamic that many non-Japanese speakers miss. It’s honestly insane how slightly different translations have resulted in radically different interpretations of Zelda lore between different languages.
What about a theory over what the world would be like if they didn't seal Ganon, and kept the cycle going? It seems like if they didn't seal him the malice wouldn't be so vast because this single Ganon wouldn't have thousands of years to gather it. So if they killed him, would there he less malice?
Assuming you're referring to Ganondorf (?) in the Era of Calamity Ganon, technically yes. However, if he was killed the first time instead of being sealed, he would just reincarnate.
Just saying, since Phantom Tracks was mentioned, it would be also if like BotW 2 had similar “Phantom Knights”, but perhaps fallen commanders or great warriors of hyrule, now mere puppets to the malice infesting their remains. Extra points if their soul appears and teaches Link a new sword technique before asking you to free their brothers and sisters in arms from their fate as well. Hell, bring back the Dark Hammers, Dark Nuts, and Iron Knuckles. We need some terrifying humanoids that aren’t a bunch of banana grubbing emo kids in pajamas.
I just wanna say, you got me through some really rough times. Your videos in particular are so high in quality and yet has an informality to a lot of them that is so welcoming. I know exactly how you feel when it comes to unproductivity, it really sucks but we always eventually pull through. Thanks for all the content!
always love more mention of Spirit Tracks! i love the idea the the triforce is the life force of the three goddesses, really fits with the other expressions of force in the series. tho if the three goddesses have the triforce representing their will… is there anything like that for Hylia herself? 😳
Spirit Tracks is one of my favorite Zelda games, and it's awesome to see people talk about it! Truly the most underrated Zelda game, imo Fantastic stuff, as always!
My very first Zelda game was Phantom Hourglass! I got it from a thing through my church when I was still in elementary school and since then I own every Zelda game in some form, all before I turned eighteen!
In my opinion this game has the catchiest soundtrack in the series, the music is SO good. I'm glad you talked about this game, it's honestly one of my favorites. 😊
I'll never be able to thank you enough for making content related to PH and ST, which were my first and my favorite Zelda games, respectively. I wish people would appreciate them more, as well as the other 2D Zelda.
phantom hourglass and spirit tracks are my favorite zelda games not just because i grew up with these two but after some years and coming back to them, they still look really good
Good theory of Malladus' role. I would like to point out that Ganondorf only becomes a demon king after obtaining the power of the Triforce. It even makes this claim in the Hyrule Historian. Hope to see more of your work towards the series.
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
So you're telling me... That technically by acquiring enough divine poder you can create your own Triforce... That would be cool to see in a zelda game, a villain instead of trying to get the Triforce he or she tries to create a new one and then destroy the past one
Sooo excited for this life force doc. I’ve been very curious on the subject since replaying Phantom Hourglass recently. Glad to see I’m no the only one 😂
I got something that supports this theory. You know how Batreaux (hope I spelled that right) turns into a human when you give him enough crystals? Well, then why wouldn’t anyone else that gets enough force turn into a human when they get enough too? And to me it seems like he got less than most if not all villains in the series. So, why wouldn’t it have the same effect on them? Well, if the triforce really is just the force of the three goddesses and it makes your wish come true… Batreaux’s wish was to be human. Other villains wish for something else, usually more power. And it just grants them that wish. That’s why it has different effects for everyone. That’s my take on it anyways.
Always happy when Spirit Tracks is discussed. Partly because it's rarely given much attention, but also partly because the game is _soaked_ in nostalgia for me Nice. :)
For My Ally Is The Force, And A Powerful Ally It Is. Life Creates It, Makes It Grow. Its Energy Surrounds Us And Binds Us. Luminous Beings Are We, Not This Crude Matter
I love Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks. Unfortunately they require the touch screen for everything, which is an issue for me due to a shoulder injury. So I never got far in them. I'd love to see remakes of them that use controllers for everything.
Love this video! Spirit Tracks was the first LoZ game I completed and it's so exciting to see someone talking about its villain in-depth. (Also, your stab at GT and fnaf was deeply appreciated!)
2:00 Correction: The game’s main antagonist is Chancellor Cole. Malladus is instead the overarching antagonist as he is far more directly responsible for the plot, while Chancellor Cole drives the plot forward.
Honestly, I’m glad you’re talking about this game now. While Spirit Tracks felt admittedly weird to me, I loved all three of the games of the Windwaker serial (I’m gonna call it the Windwaker serial, since they shot off from that game), it felt so weird, so funny, so scary, it felt like a lot at once. Plus… it was refreshing to see Link express, and have a family connection that gave him motivation, even having a hero starting from complete scratch. Not born into it, not trained for it, he started from scratch, and earned his place as a hero. And I loved it.
It seems like it's also related to the animating force involved with yokai or toy story. The bonds and emotion that you share with others is force or malice, and it can bring inanimate objects to life. If it's positive (force), the yokai is friendly, if it's negative (malice), the yokai is vicious. You also see this kind of setup in seven deadly sins.
Good work bro.. I wasn't expecting that you are gonna talk about Spirit Tracks (obviously coz it's old and not many players have played it ) Which is my second favourite All time Game... Thanks Bro 🤘
A spirit tracks video on the day of its 12th anniversary!! Thanks for this, spirit tracks is one of my favorite Zelda games and I love to see it discussed!
In spite of it’s title, I don’t feel like this video did all that much coverage of Malladus itself. Tbh, I always considered it to just be the next reincarnation of Demise’s malice in the curse after Ganondorf and Bellum, just like how there’s always a new generation of Links and Zeldas that reincarnate as the destined hero and princess.
I would love a full-length film, or at least a couple of deep theories, on the various 'Forces' in the series. It would certainly help in ironing out the connections and be...less confusing, lol.
Spirit Tracks was absolute great!!! But something off-topic... The track "the lost woods" from Spirit Tracks holds actually the same theme, BOTW2 trailer does... Did you guys know that before?
I feel like the whole "everyone has a sacred power, it's their life force!" bit was almost meant to just be a cute line, but it honestly provides such a perfect scientific and spiritual basis to the whole series. Zelda works really well by being just that tiny bit vague and letting us all theorize, but if every game in the series just pointed at that line and said "yes that's definitely canon", it would work REALLY well. That's some good material to work off of!
I think the concept of force is anything in the Zelda universe that can affect reality - Its an aspect of the world in which these games are set and represents the ability of those attributes to alter it positively - Gratitude, light, Power, Wisdom, Courage - but also remember that Lorule has its own triforce - with its pieces representing three more unspecified qualities. In the case of the triforce I think they were intially named that purely because they were triangular - however I think Adventure of Link retconned that - and subsequent games solidified the idea that these three particular manifestations of specific forces act as a particularly powerful trinity due to their affinity with the creator goddesses. When we consider that these are positive forces - the notion of malice exists as a counterpoint - a negative force. It's worth also remembering that the secondary villains of Zelda titles so far have links to the horsemen of the apocalypse... Deth-I - Death Bellum - means War Malladus - Not far from Malady - meaning Disease or pestilence. Ganon meanwhile is routinely equated in the games with Greed which could be an allusion to something that causes famine or want.
Hmm makes me wounder if the sealing power of Breath of the Wild Zelda is her using the Light Force. The other Zelda's have shown to have powerful Scared powers just rarely shown it in-game.
A funny thing about Demise's curse is that it's likely why each villain never wins as well. Link is killed in one timeline and Ganon is close to winning, but a new Link takes his place, and another even before that one dies (as the old man of A Link Between Worlds is implied to be A Link the Past Link, although he doesn't bother helping in this game. Guess he retired). Granted, none of these villains would have likely arrived without the curse, but it still prevents them from fully winning
I haven't played many zelda games and I started with PH and ST, but I feel like the reincarnations of demise are more..linked to the characters? In most games when demise's curse is brought up, mainly with Ganon involved, the triforce is involved and the characters are linked together But in Phantom Hourglass, the triforce isn't brought up at all. The ghost ship targets sailors to drain their life force, and link and tetra are taken almost by chance Again with Spirit Tracks, Malladus doesn't exist related to the triforce, and link is an engineer who begins without special powers or the triforce of courage Because of that, I think that the villains of these two games are separate from demise, and are their own evil entities
Oh spirit tracks how I love you. Not the first Zelda game I played nor my favorite (majoras mask) but it is the first one I owned and I love it so much. It means so much to me
Spirit tracks is criminally underrated, toon link and Zelda’s relationship is so well written in it, and it was fun to play!
Oddly enough, my copy of Spirit Tracks was gifted to me by one of my teachers in highschool, as a reward for my good efforts. Yeah, I too find that weird, and I was the one who picked said game
@@zigazav1 well good choice of a game tho at least
The game is hold back by its gameplay, due to the hardware it is on, but the concepts are phenomenal. I would like a reboot, with a new way to play.
Yeah, playing a game with zelda by your side was really cool.
@@creeperizak8971 I really hope they’ll make botw 2 multiplayer or an optional multiplayer so that Zelda and can fight with link again
“So, now that Ganondorf is sealed 5,000 miles out into the ocean, Hyrule is safe, right?”
*”Right?”*
Haha... no.
The Master Sword does jack shit. We need a new solution in Breath of the Wild's sequel.
@@corrinflakes9659 Breath of the Wild doesn't take place after WW though.
@@Nyarlabrotep did nintendo confirm that?
@@Nyarlabrotep that was never confirmed, in fact it's more likely due to being after WW due to rock salt, but yeah it's a theory plus uh if it was before, the castle wouldn't look the way it does in ww I'm pretty sure
The sight of Zelda with those evil eyes and her ghost actually being more useful than most Zelda of the series is actually super cool. Big up for Spirit Track.
Easily the best part of the game (for me at least) was doing the two part puzzles in the tower of spirits with zelda. Going full metal alchemist with zelda was such a cool vibe
Twilight princess did it first.
@@tmoney1487 spirit tracks came out before twilight princess 💀💀💀
@@AB987real Spirit Tracks came out in 2009, Twilight Princess in 2006 💀💀💀
@@AB987real lol bruh no it did not
"And in the Japanese version this item was named The Bible."
"...That says The Bibble."
You question the words of the mighty Jimmy!?
Bibble? That flying thing from Barbie fairytopia?
G-Sus be praised
Caddicarus: "The Holy... Bibble."
This feels like a reference but I’m too scared to name anything
It would be interesting to have the demon world as a future Zelda setting. Perhaps Demise wasn't the leader of the Demon Tribe, but maybe its top warrior.
That makes sense,in tribal folklore,if a Chieftain dies with no heir as Ganon did in Wind waker,Then the finest warrior usually takes leadership
That was something that used to happen among anglo-saxons.
If the warlord dies in combat, no one flees, someone takes its place. Soldiers follow their leaders till death.
He was the leader of the demons invading Hyrule. He may not be even close to the strongest demon. After all...why does he want the power of the triforce for? His stated goal is kinda vague. Why does he want to make a new world?
@@jacobfreeman5444 Colonization?
@@abzer0gaming so the demons are the bri’ish empire? Neat
Edit: bri‘ish
Demise's curse--and its effect on Hyrule--is quickly becoming one of my favorite topics to discuss.
One of the most forced concepts in all of the series. Instead of varied enemies, now everything can be traced back to a single curse. It deletes the identity of all these individual events/villains.
@@Thirteen13551355 i mean kinda but also not quite, i mean absolutely any ganon villain is essentially part of demise’s undying hatred but any other villain like zant or kohga while either working with or working for ganon still have their own discernible quirks and goals
tho i get what you mean, most of the big villains are either an incarnation of ganon or quite heavily work with him, but they still have plenty of room to work with even that, given ganons various different incarnations like calamity ganon, yea it might be still the same evil reincarnated like link and zelda are, but they can still switch things up
@@Thirteen13551355 I fail to see how it, in anyway, 'deletes the identity' of the villains or events. Its the underlying cause, yes, but it doesn't change dick or shit about the specifics. There's no physical, tangible force, no dead hand of the long dead big scary evil bad guy throwing people around like pieces on a chess board. Nor, frankly, do we even know if the curse DOES actually apply to other villains than Ganon. That's never been stated nor confirmed so far as I'm aware, not even to the big major ones like Vaati or such. It sure as shit doesn't to minor ones like Zant or whoever. This reads more like you taking a chance to whine and vent about a game you don't like, frankly.
@@papapalps2415 It deletes the identity because if this is the case, as described in the video, they're all reincarnations of Demise (play Skyward Sword). I'm not saying this is confirmed, but if it's the case, and this video assumes so, that's not very enjoyable. Also I love Zelda and I've played every single game at least three times. Baby assumptions won't do much of anything to counter my point. Bad storytelling is a forte of Zelda, however, and I like mentioning that.
@@Thirteen13551355 "....they're all reincarnation of Demise (play Skyward Sword)...."
No, it doesn't, and no amount of braindead snarky condescension is going to change that. All SS does is specify that Demise cursed Hyrule/the spirit of the Hero/blood of the goddess/etc to be followed by his hatred forever (and in reality, per the original Japanese text, its not even his curse alone, but by the Demon Tribe as a whole). Not that it particularly matters anyhow, because whether or not Ganon (and perhaps co.) are his direct reincarnation or not, they bare very little to outright no actual, meaningful resemblance to him otherwise bar surface level shit. Woop-de-fucking-do. Try again.
"...that's not very enjoyable..."
For...who, exactly? What, you? Who the fuck cares what you regard as personally enjoyable, pray tell, Random Internet Dweller #79957?
"Baby assumptions won't do much of anything to counter my point..."
The idea of you having a point is laughable by this point. You are taking the chance to bitch and moan in a RUclips comments section about something you don't like, and dressing it up in a meatsuit of objectivity. Which, really, just makes you one amongst thousands, but nevertheless.
"Bad storytelling is a forte 9f Zelda, however, and I like mentioning that..."
Like so, for instance.
Also, noice b8 m8.
We love a Sprit Tracks (and also Phantom Hourglass) video! Let's goooooo! 👀😍
Hi
Phantom hourglass is one of my favourite Zelda games, and spirit tracks is great as well!
Yes, my two fave zelda games!
One of my favorites too not enough content is made about spirit tracks
@@tinyjammer Yes, not nearly enough!
I feel like we barely talked about Malladus at all. Instead we just went over every other game instead
Really this video was about Force. Demise was mentioned more then Malladus. It’s probably because of what little information we have on the Demon tribe, and on its rank system. So far we’ve met;
Demise: Demon King
Malladus: Demon King
Majora: Demon King?
Ganondorf: Demon King (not naturally, became it once using the Triforce of power to turn into Ganon)
Yuga: Demon King (Becomes one after fusing with Ganon)
Giraham: Demon Lord
Chancellor Cole: Demon Lord?
Bellum: Demon (Phantom class)
Batreaux: Demon
Vaati: Demon (Becomes one, originally Picori)
Skeldritch: Achient demon titan… dead
Demon Train: Demon (Tank/Train class)
Chances are, the rank of a Demon more in reference to its power level, not their status within the tribe. Demon Kings are the most powerful, and can only be harmed by special weapons which use Force in one state or another.
Demon Lords are the right hands of the Demon Kings. They are more powerful then your regular Demon, and can take on a human-like form. Invariably the Demon Lord aims to free their masters, or otherwise aid in their conquest.
Then Demons are generally powerful creatures. They serve nobody, and only listen to a Demon King or Lord. If left unchecked they will ravage a world, feeding off the Force of other beings. Some are more chill then others, Batreaux for instance only feeds off people’s force from a distance, not directly trying to remove it from people. Others are more aggressive, Bellum for instance keeps a pocket dimension hostage, feeding off the force of the dimension’s deity, and anybody who slips inside the dimension. Vaati is not as aggressive as Bellum, although he still goes for the largest deposit of Force he can find.. and his desire to feed on it turns him into a demon. Skeldritch was a tactical play. He was tasked with killing those who were forging the bow of light in the deserts of new Hyrule. Having broken into the Pyramid stronghold, he made his way to the basement and killed those who sought to make the weapon capable of killing his master. He was partially successful, the people who made the bow never got it out the pyramid… however he found himself trapped within the pyramid itself and slowly starved to a skeletal state, feeding of the life force of those he killed, until the supply ran dry and he was forced to slumber until a new source of food entered.
The Demon Train is essentially a massive tank. It’s purpose is to act as a damage sponge in times of war, and help decimate the enemy factions.
After Malladus was sealed though, it was left wandering about the demon realm until recruited by Cole.
No kidding. An when the subjet of Malldus is brought up being the evil of gannon reborn. Nintendoblackcrisis glossis over that since, there was no connection since, the Gannon curse, demise cruse, and what Malladus wanted to do was different.
An if the video did try to connect Malladus to Gannon's evil. Well, there's a ton of plot holes, That would make the video more of fan fic. If you ignore the guessing game most of this video was when, it wasnt filler XD
@@Agent-Ig you literally explained more information pertaining to malladus than the entire video oh my god thank you
@@sujimatsubackupaccount194 I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
@@Agent-Ig In the fallen hero timeline, Ganondorf used the trident to become Ganon rather than the Triforce.
This actually made me think of something: if the Triforce is concentrated force, then is it the source of life itself? In Lorule, the world literally falls apart without the Triforce. We take Zelda's word on how the world formed in Ocarina of Time, but could she be off? Did the Goddesses make the Triforce to provide life and emotion to the world? That would explain why it talks in LTTP; it's made of everything that makes people in Hyrule alive, so of course it would also be alive.
My theory is that, in OoT it's mentioned that the goddesses descended upon "chaos" and created Hyrule out of it, so the Triforce is basically the pillar that keeps Hyrule seperate from chaos. Without it, as in Lorule, the land begins to return to chaos (thus explaining the crumbling). This is pure headcanon though lol
@@tinyetoile5503 That makes a lot of sense too!
@@tinyetoile5503 well in twilight princess there is great swaths of land missing. Ganondorf, namely the triforce of power, isn't in hyrule. However since midna never mentions the triforce, its very possible she doesn't even know what it is. Ganondorf's piece isn't of the twilight realm and thus doesn't restore the land in said realm. If you notice, there is never direct sun, the planet is likely skewed and position where they never get direct sun anymore--nayru, minimum land except for what the castle rests on and maybe a few pockets here or there--din, and life, farore. It's very possible like in link between worlds, their triforce was destroyed and the world is much much closer to the brink of dying because of that. Lbw was basically a what if scenario if they did know of the triforce's existence.
@@ShadowSkyX ehhh I don't think that's so much the case- as long as the triforce is intact, so is the land. After all, Termina doesn't have a triforce at all and isn't crumbling, so it's possible it's on a world-by-world basis (and do not come at me with any "but termina was all a dream") and the twilight realm seems to be... less of a seperate universe and more of a different layer of the world of hyrule? Like the Silent Realms or the Sacred Realm. The triforce can stay in those just fine without the world falling apart, so since the land of twilight is also a Realm I think that also applies to it.
ina link betwene worlds when the triforce in lorule was destroyed the world was said to literally be crumbling away right? atleast until a wish brought there's back
Ah Spirit Tracks, my favorite Zelda game that I have never played. The concepts and new things are perhaps the most unique out of all the game.
The music was amazing too.
You should play it if you have the chance ! I know it's complicated without a DS since emulators don't translate very well the touch controls (except if you have a tactile tablet I guess), but if you DO have a DS or 3DS, the controls are really fine.
The only slightly annoying thing about the controls is the microphone use...
Spirit Tracks is too underrated. I wasn't sure if I'd like it, but after borrowing it from a friend and playing it to completion, I have come to appreciate it. Maybe we can get remakes of these like WWHD. We've already seen how good it can look in the Smash Ultimate stage.
Thanks for a great video. But is there a source for the art?
the most underrated part is the soundtrack
Nebulace on twitter, it was a commission. I'll add a link in the description :)
@@NintendoBlackCrisis Great. They did a wonderful job with it.
@@williamgreninja158 The overworld theme is one of my favorite tracks (HA!) from the entire series, let alone Spirit Tracks itself. I have it on my phone and listen to it regularly.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Same. its the first song on my good music playlist
Thanks for making video's about Phantom hourglass and Spirit tracks. These 2 games are heavily underrated. These were the first 2 games I ever played in the Zelda series. Even though I couldn't fully understand them at 6 years old (Im not a native english speaker), these games have a place in my heart
Oh my, they were my first Zelda games too!
Same, Spirit Tracks was my introduction to the Zelda series
I love it when Zelda theorists talk about Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, especially Spirit Tracks. But yeah, I think Vaati, Bellum, and Malladus are connected to Demise in some way.
Do not forget Majora
@@weekly-weirdos48 Yes, Majora.
Ya, but I still think Vaati is kind of separeted, like Onox and Veeran, though Ganondorf was behind in the case of these, they were evil by their own choices... but that's me
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
I'll tell ya what Malladus is: UNDERRATED, just like everything else in regards to Spirit Tracks.
Spirit Tracks has one of my favorite dungeons in Zelda, the Water, Sand and Tower of Spirits specifically.
I will always have a soft spot for that game.
spirit tracks and phantom hourglass were the first video games i ever played and honestly they hold up incredibly well
especially spirit track’s soundtrack, that was peak
Spirit tracks was my first Zelda and man, was i surprised when i found out much later none of the Zelda games had you play as Zelda (or that Zelda had any character development at all in them). Spirit tracks Zelda has been one of my favorite Heros/companion in gaming for some reason.
Playing this game before playing Skyward Sword was a treat. Malladus, Bellum and other such bosses in the entire series were (imo) obvious representations of Demies's mallice.
same here, ST was my first one and SS my second one, even though I knew about the existence of the other games through Lets Plays :D
This video made me think of this theory I thought of a little while ago and maybe it’s something for your next one:
The reason why the Gods left the Triforce behind is because it keeps the world that they created in tact.
You can see in Lorule that when the Triforce is destroyed all of the law that Nayru created is gone and it’s just pure chaos, the earth that Din created starts to crumble and most of the life that Farore created just exist of the Hylians and monsters.
It's also interesting that not only is the life force of Zelda in minish cap similar to the Triforce but the graditude crystals are a similar color suggesting all 3 are connected. So I guess the triforce is the most powerful, and possibly biggest, due to being the life force of the golden goddeses that created most if not everything then Hylia, who I think was less powerful as well as it being diluted due to her becoming mortal. This definitely suggests that graditude crystals are life force too, due to mortal races being less powerful and them requiring alot of graditude to create they are harder which could explain why the sides are pointy.
There's also the Sand of Hours of the same golden shade which prevents the damaging aura from affecting Link, as well as the time-altering properties (and biological processes, i.e. life, are heavily time-sensitive); I'd argue that the Sand of Hours is, in fact, composed of the same magic/matter/whatever as the Tri/Lifeforce. It's crazy how well Zelda games are interlinked: despite the timeline being a hot mess, there aren't a lot of actual retcons, so the earlier games still serve as a valid sources of lore.
A documentary would be great. By the way, I always believed that the Triforce was not only a relic left behind that represents their life force but it was also the physical manifestation of their bodies in the mortal world.
That's an interesting theory...
Finally this underrated entry gets a theory video of its own!
Just happened to be playing through this again, Spirit Tracks has some of the best puzzles/dungeon designs and music in the series.
I think Malladus is a temporary form of demise’s hatred. He shares the title of Demon King with Demise and Ganon. I think Demise’s hatred hadn’t had enough time to reincarnate as Ganon, so it assumed a different form.
I’m so used to seeing the polygon Zelda in the cutscene that the thumbnail took my off guard. I never imagined just how terrifying it would look in real life. It’s a whole level of creepy I didn’t comprehend.
My first “game console” gaming device was the nintendo DS lite phantom hourglass bundle when I was 12, now I am obsessed with the zelda franchise and I owe it all to that game and spirit tracks which are my favorites, I still have both games and the ds with the 2 game cartridge cases it brings. Mad respect for making this video 🥰 A fan from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Finally, more attention towards the other Demon King that only appeared in one game (Demise technically appears more than once, since Ganon/Ganondorf is his reincarnation, and he appears more than once)
EDIT: wait, you barelly went into Malladus. I mean, didn’t the two villians from the Oracle Games have a symbol on their outfit that is also used in Spirit Tracks? Are they connected to him?
My friend, you're editing on this one was amazing! Props to you good sir!
Of the two I especially enjoyed Spirit Tracks. I felt the story was even better and unique. I also think the soundtrack of that game is a hidden masterpiece. So good.
So glad I'm finally watching this, having the DS Zelda's more recognised is splendid. Your discovery about the true nature of 'Force' is monumental in my eyes, a full video on it would be fantastic since I think there is so much it connects between the entire timeline that more people should know about. Thanks for all your hard work with these videos 🙏 Such high quality content
spirit tracks is the first zelda game I played at age 6 or 7, and while it isn't my favourite zelda game, it invokes such happiness in me that it will have a special place in my heart forever
i’d like to say that i’ve heard of a theory that demise is Hylia’s Lorulean form. Lorule is like an opposite, or mirrored kingdom from hyrule, which only appears in A Link Between Worlds. The demon tribe, along with Demise, is described to have invaded Hyrule through a fissure. The Link from A Link Between Worlds travels between Hyrule and Lorule through what is directly described as dark fissures.
I do wonder what demise's grudge against the gods is, what did the goddesses of Hyrule do that sparked so much hatred towards them? We have seen very few demons that are actually nice (or perhaps just a single demon, idk) so it is clearly possible to quell this hatred, and that it is possible to stop the curse before it becomes too powerful, especially because of Zelda's sealing powers, generation after generation the blood of the Goddess grows thinner in the royal family, and the power of the curse's hatred only grows every time it returns, despite the spirit of the hero having the possibility to always return, there will reach a point that even that will be enough to defeat Ganon (or whatever demon desires to bring Hyrule or whatever other land to ruin and rule the world), in fact we have seen this happen twice already, once on ocarina with the timeline where the hero of time loses to Ganon, and the second on breath of the wild, this cycle can only go for so long before the hatred becomes completely invincible.
There is most likely a way to break the curse, but we don't know it yet, and neither does anyone in Hyrule, it's an ancient curse, fueled by a grudge against the goddesses, and no one has any idea on how to stop or make that grudge vanish, but it is clearly possible given how there's at least one friendly demon out there.
If such a thing were to be a plot of a Zelda game, it would probably be the end of the demon tribe/demise's curse arc for the Zelda series, possibly the hardest Zelda game to be made, to represent the difficulty of stopping this cycle once and for all, most likely using time travel to go to the time before the goddesses even arrived and kill demise (or whatever made demise/demon tribe) before the arrival of the goddesses.
Much like how Metroid Dread is described as the end of the Metroid/X parasite saga. Or who knows, perhaps Link becomes demise from going back in time to attempt to stop this curse and he ends up becoming the very thing that caused it's beginning in the first place, transformed into a twisted version of himself after the goddesses created everything on top of him.
Not gonna lie that seems like an idea that isn't all too impossible for it to be true I mean Demise owns a master sword of his own and considering there's no legend of a evil master sword being made that blade could be one and the same after let's say Link was corrupted and transformed into demise
@@lugiamastero13 it would be the coldest of ironies if demise is a corrupted link that tried to stop all of this mess to begin with.
@@GuidingLightAngel ikr
Knowing nintendo there is no deeper meaning, demon's are bad and the heroes are good. Look I want a zelda game that attempts to be more complex, but seeing how most zelda games have always been its just gonna be good vs evil
A theory of mine is that the world of Hyrule is a prison for the demon tribes (like the symbiote planet in Marvel). That explains why they seek to destroy the world. They want freedom.
omg i just picked up my old spirit tracks cartridge from 2009 and played it to completion not even a week ago, i can't believe this video was made only yesterday!! i freaked out seeing it in my recommendations because it's my favorite zelda game besides minish cap
Thanks for touching on this. Always been hella curious about Malladus.
The demon tribe could just be a title for all the reincarnations of Demise, seeing as they are heavily related, but not all the same person, like a tribe.
Spirit tracks will forever be my favourite game
I think Malladus is call "Demon king" because he took that position in the demonic hierarchy after Demise's death.
On the other hand, Ganon is a "Demon king" for being the reincarnation of the former one.
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
I have both Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks ever since I was little and I LOVE them. I still have the copies I played! Kind of a shame that they aren't talked about more.
Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks deserve the Switch Treatment. They should be released alongside Wind Waker HD for a pseudo-trilogy of games. It would sell like absolute hot-cakes. But we all know Nintendo makes the most bone headed decisions when it comes to selling their own flagship series.
How would you do the map drawing on the switch though? It's a key mechanic for PH and ST. I can't really think of a good way to replace that.
@@DaShikuXI They would have to replace it with drawing with the analog stick or the motion controls. And they could implement the stamp system like in BOTW for some things. It would be a work-around, but I don't think those aspects alone should preclude them from the remasters they deserve.
@@7F0X7 Stamps do make sense yeah. I think drawing with the analog might just be a bit too awkward, especially for writing words. But yeah they should get a remaster at some point. At least you can play them on emulators though with pretty good rendering.
it would be really cool to see phantom hourglass and spirit tracks as patches to the gc or the wii u versions of wind waker.
I love spirit tracks
Zeldas relationship with link is one of if not the best
And the story was a ton of fun
I was so satisfied to get 999 hits on the swords man training
Wow. You really did it? I don't think my patience is high enough to complete this achievement.
I would love to see a theory video on the sword that Hylia used. Like if the goddess sword was originally hers, then it must have been much weaker than Demise's blade. And was Fi always a part of the sword or was she created after Hylia chose to become a mortal. Also, if the Goddess Sword was originally Hylia's then what sword did the original Hero use?
It should be related to picori blade or four sword. And who is hero of men? Minish cap just doesn't fit convincingly in the timeline as of now ( also FSA).
I reckon it's the double helix sword. You know the one. And it's master.
@@ryuudevie7 I have my doubts about that, but I'm open to the possibility
@@NovaMaster375 Yeah, there's not a lot of evidence bar how cool it would be lol. But there's space in the lore for a perfect fit XD.
Awesome stuff!!! Keep up the good work!
Love how yt didnt recommended me this channel again until now 😑, glad to see another of ur vids
the fact that the Demon Train has a similar face to Ganon and that Malladus has a gem piece right on his forehead similar to Ganondorf and is located in the same spot as Demise's forehead scar made it obvious that the Malladus and Cole fusion is meant to be the reincarnation of Ganon/Demise after the events of Wind Waker (but we also can't forget the blue skin featured in the downfall timeline Ganon)
Thank you for looking at the Japanese translation. It really completely changes the outlook of the whole Zelda-Link-Ganon dynamic that many non-Japanese speakers miss.
It’s honestly insane how slightly different translations have resulted in radically different interpretations of Zelda lore between different languages.
What about a theory over what the world would be like if they didn't seal Ganon, and kept the cycle going? It seems like if they didn't seal him the malice wouldn't be so vast because this single Ganon wouldn't have thousands of years to gather it. So if they killed him, would there he less malice?
Assuming you're referring to Ganondorf (?) in the Era of Calamity Ganon, technically yes. However, if he was killed the first time instead of being sealed, he would just reincarnate.
@@TheRealRidley12 I understand that he would reincarnate, yes. And yes, I am speaking of Ganon. Thank you for the answer
Just saying, since Phantom Tracks was mentioned, it would be also if like BotW 2 had similar “Phantom Knights”, but perhaps fallen commanders or great warriors of hyrule, now mere puppets to the malice infesting their remains. Extra points if their soul appears and teaches Link a new sword technique before asking you to free their brothers and sisters in arms from their fate as well. Hell, bring back the Dark Hammers, Dark Nuts, and Iron Knuckles. We need some terrifying humanoids that aren’t a bunch of banana grubbing emo kids in pajamas.
The Triforce being the goddess's Life Force feels like an incredible insight!
Man, Spirit Tracks is such a underrated Zelda game. Still love the FINALE against MALLADUS!! Such a way to end the game!!!
I just wanna say, you got me through some really rough times. Your videos in particular are so high in quality and yet has an informality to a lot of them that is so welcoming. I know exactly how you feel when it comes to unproductivity, it really sucks but we always eventually pull through. Thanks for all the content!
always love more mention of Spirit Tracks! i love the idea the the triforce is the life force of the three goddesses, really fits with the other expressions of force in the series. tho if the three goddesses have the triforce representing their will… is there anything like that for Hylia herself? 😳
I love spirit tracks omg finally spirit tracks lore
This is a pretty cohesive theory that ties together many pieces of lore. This seems like the beginning of a cohesive "pantheon" for Zelda lore.
Spirit Tracks is one of my favorite Zelda games, and it's awesome to see people talk about it! Truly the most underrated Zelda game, imo
Fantastic stuff, as always!
My very first Zelda game was Phantom Hourglass! I got it from a thing through my church when I was still in elementary school and since then I own every Zelda game in some form, all before I turned eighteen!
I’m so happy you’re covering this! Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks were the first two Zelda games I played as a kid
In my opinion this game has the catchiest soundtrack in the series, the music is SO good. I'm glad you talked about this game, it's honestly one of my favorites. 😊
I'll never be able to thank you enough for making content related to PH and ST, which were my first and my favorite Zelda games, respectively. I wish people would appreciate them more, as well as the other 2D Zelda.
OMG HEARING THE GAME MUSIC NEVER FAILS TO MAKE ME HAPPY AND EXITED I LOVE THE MUSIC SO MUCH I CAN BARELY FOCUS!
Yeeeeeeah, QuestWithAaron plug! I found him a while ago, and his videos are really well researched!
phantom hourglass and spirit tracks are my favorite zelda games not just because i grew up with these two but after some years and coming back to them, they still look really good
Good theory of Malladus' role. I would like to point out that Ganondorf only becomes a demon king after obtaining the power of the Triforce. It even makes this claim in the Hyrule Historian.
Hope to see more of your work towards the series.
I agree with his Theory but I also disagree. Malladus is a little bit different compare to Bellum and Vaati. Bellum is like a living Demon Phantom who became stronger because of the Life Force he ate. Vaati transformed first into an Archmage with the magical Cap than in the Final Battle with the Help of Zeldas Light Force he transformed into a full Demon. Malladus is stated as "The Demon King" but there can only be one Demon King to rule all. According to the Zelda Lore Demise was the Real Demon King and Ganondorf became the Demon King because of the Triforce of Power in combination with the fact that he is Demises Reincarnation himself. So when it comes to Malladus. He could be the "Curse of Demise" himself in an embodiment form. What I mean with that is in Wind Waker Ganondorf wasn't really that Evil.. He knew that the World and the God had chosen him as the Villain and he has no other choice since he lost all of his people from the Gerudo Tribe and he only wanted to have a better life forces people but there are dead. So maybe after he returned after Ocarina of Time before the Goddesses flooded Hyrule he also lost his "Ganon Form" his Demon Form as we saw that he not uses that form in Wind Waker. So basically he wasn't cursed in the Adult Era anymore. He only had a fair Sword Fight in the End and died once and for all in this Timeline. So before Ganondorf returned the Curse of Demise has no body anymore that's why it created his own Body, Malladus. That is the reason why Malladus only wants Chaos and Destruction..nothing more. We don't know how long the Tower of the Gods really was at it's place. Of course before Tetra and Link arrived and created New Hyrule. So Malladus is Demises Curse himself. Thats my Theory. What is also possible is that Malladus was created by the rest of Demises evil power in the Master Sword but because Demise came back as Ganondorf, Malladus is only born to bring all to Chaos.
So you're telling me... That technically by acquiring enough divine poder you can create your own Triforce... That would be cool to see in a zelda game, a villain instead of trying to get the Triforce he or she tries to create a new one and then destroy the past one
Sooo excited for this life force doc. I’ve been very curious on the subject since replaying Phantom Hourglass recently. Glad to see I’m no the only one 😂
incredibly glad Spirit Tracks got more videos!
I got something that supports this theory. You know how Batreaux (hope I spelled that right) turns into a human when you give him enough crystals? Well, then why wouldn’t anyone else that gets enough force turn into a human when they get enough too? And to me it seems like he got less than most if not all villains in the series. So, why wouldn’t it have the same effect on them? Well, if the triforce really is just the force of the three goddesses and it makes your wish come true… Batreaux’s wish was to be human. Other villains wish for something else, usually more power. And it just grants them that wish. That’s why it has different effects for everyone. That’s my take on it anyways.
Spirit tracks and phantom hourglass were my introduction to the series, it's really cool to see you cover these.
Always happy when Spirit Tracks is discussed. Partly because it's rarely given much attention, but also partly because the game is _soaked_ in nostalgia for me
Nice. :)
For My Ally Is The Force, And A Powerful Ally It Is. Life Creates It, Makes It Grow. Its Energy Surrounds Us And Binds Us. Luminous Beings Are We, Not This Crude Matter
I love Phantom Hourglass & Spirit Tracks. Unfortunately they require the touch screen for everything, which is an issue for me due to a shoulder injury. So I never got far in them. I'd love to see remakes of them that use controllers for everything.
Love this video! Spirit Tracks was the first LoZ game I completed and it's so exciting to see someone talking about its villain in-depth.
(Also, your stab at GT and fnaf was deeply appreciated!)
Spirit Tracks was my first Zelda, I will always love it, I didn’t finish it on the DS but i bought it on Wii U
2:00 Correction: The game’s main antagonist is Chancellor Cole. Malladus is instead the overarching antagonist as he is far more directly responsible for the plot, while Chancellor Cole drives the plot forward.
Honestly, I’m glad you’re talking about this game now. While Spirit Tracks felt admittedly weird to me, I loved all three of the games of the Windwaker serial (I’m gonna call it the Windwaker serial, since they shot off from that game), it felt so weird, so funny, so scary, it felt like a lot at once. Plus… it was refreshing to see Link express, and have a family connection that gave him motivation, even having a hero starting from complete scratch. Not born into it, not trained for it, he started from scratch, and earned his place as a hero. And I loved it.
Phantom hourglass and spirit tracks were my first games introducing me to the series. Love that they're getting more love.
I've alway held the idea that Malladus is a former/rival demon king, a more ancient evil then Demise.
It seems like it's also related to the animating force involved with yokai or toy story. The bonds and emotion that you share with others is force or malice, and it can bring inanimate objects to life. If it's positive (force), the yokai is friendly, if it's negative (malice), the yokai is vicious.
You also see this kind of setup in seven deadly sins.
Good work bro..
I wasn't expecting that you are gonna talk about Spirit Tracks (obviously coz it's old and not many players have played it )
Which is my second favourite All time Game...
Thanks Bro 🤘
God I adored Spirit Tracks. Thank you so much for this.
I literally was playing Spirit Tracks when this video got recommended to me 👀
A spirit tracks video on the day of its 12th anniversary!! Thanks for this, spirit tracks is one of my favorite Zelda games and I love to see it discussed!
In spite of it’s title, I don’t feel like this video did all that much coverage of Malladus itself. Tbh, I always considered it to just be the next reincarnation of Demise’s malice in the curse after Ganondorf and Bellum, just like how there’s always a new generation of Links and Zeldas that reincarnate as the destined hero and princess.
Except Malladus was sealed underneath the Spirit Tracks before Ganondorf and Bellum were defeated.
I loved this game it wasn't just link saving zelda but both of them working together in order to defeat maladus
What if Malladus and Demise are creations of a dark and evil goddess?
Spirit Tracks has to be one of the most underrated Zelda games. Although it's easily top 5 for me 💙💙💙
Haven’t seen your content in a while,
Glad to be back!
I would love a full-length film, or at least a couple of deep theories, on the various 'Forces' in the series. It would certainly help in ironing out the connections and be...less confusing, lol.
I’ve always wondered this.
Spirit Tracks was absolute great!!! But something off-topic... The track "the lost woods" from Spirit Tracks holds actually the same theme, BOTW2 trailer does... Did you guys know that before?
Another NBC video I can't wait to finish, already loving the concepts being put out here!
I feel like the whole "everyone has a sacred power, it's their life force!" bit was almost meant to just be a cute line, but it honestly provides such a perfect scientific and spiritual basis to the whole series.
Zelda works really well by being just that tiny bit vague and letting us all theorize, but if every game in the series just pointed at that line and said "yes that's definitely canon", it would work REALLY well. That's some good material to work off of!
YAS MY FIRST ZELDA GAME AND THE MOST UNDERRATED ONE
I think the concept of force is anything in the Zelda universe that can affect reality - Its an aspect of the world in which these games are set and represents the ability of those attributes to alter it positively - Gratitude, light, Power, Wisdom, Courage - but also remember that Lorule has its own triforce - with its pieces representing three more unspecified qualities. In the case of the triforce I think they were intially named that purely because they were triangular - however I think Adventure of Link retconned that - and subsequent games solidified the idea that these three particular manifestations of specific forces act as a particularly powerful trinity due to their affinity with the creator goddesses.
When we consider that these are positive forces - the notion of malice exists as a counterpoint - a negative force.
It's worth also remembering that the secondary villains of Zelda titles so far have links to the horsemen of the apocalypse...
Deth-I - Death
Bellum - means War
Malladus - Not far from Malady - meaning Disease or pestilence.
Ganon meanwhile is routinely equated in the games with Greed which could be an allusion to something that causes famine or want.
Hmm makes me wounder if the sealing power of Breath of the Wild Zelda is her using the Light Force. The other Zelda's have shown to have powerful Scared powers just rarely shown it in-game.
Great Video. Love all the connections and attention to detail!!! One of the top three Zelda channels imo...right up there with Zeltik!!!
A funny thing about Demise's curse is that it's likely why each villain never wins as well. Link is killed in one timeline and Ganon is close to winning, but a new Link takes his place, and another even before that one dies (as the old man of A Link Between Worlds is implied to be A Link the Past Link, although he doesn't bother helping in this game. Guess he retired).
Granted, none of these villains would have likely arrived without the curse, but it still prevents them from fully winning
I haven't played many zelda games and I started with PH and ST, but I feel like the reincarnations of demise are more..linked to the characters?
In most games when demise's curse is brought up, mainly with Ganon involved, the triforce is involved and the characters are linked together
But in Phantom Hourglass, the triforce isn't brought up at all. The ghost ship targets sailors to drain their life force, and link and tetra are taken almost by chance
Again with Spirit Tracks, Malladus doesn't exist related to the triforce, and link is an engineer who begins without special powers or the triforce of courage
Because of that, I think that the villains of these two games are separate from demise, and are their own evil entities
Force gems might be a bunch of gratitude crystals combined.
A whole documentary on the Triforce like the Zonai ones? Hell yeah
Oh spirit tracks how I love you. Not the first Zelda game I played nor my favorite (majoras mask) but it is the first one I owned and I love it so much. It means so much to me