I still have a real nostalgic love for the Canon EOS 350D, which was my first ever DSLR. A tiny part of me is tempted to pick another one up one of these days (although I shoot with a Nikon D610 nowadays) because I genuinely think it was responsible for some of the best photos I ever made. A fantastic little workhorse camera
That's 8M full color triplet pixels though. DSLR pixels are one color measured and two colors interpol..ished. (and then humans cant see color detail so it's fine again)
And most images on the Internet are under 2 megapixels. People are going too hard on the pixel chase but I bet you most of them do not use me than 6 mp for delivery.
@ I think high-pixel photography won’t reveal its value until 10, maybe 20 years from now. I have to facelift an old website, but those digital images were too small to display properly on a high resolution monitors, AI restoration can only do so much at this point. So get high res images if storage isn’t an issue.
@@MiniTruckMatt Look at how describe EVFs and camera displays as "3 million, uh, pixels" when they are 1280x960x3. That's where it breaks down. Also why "6MP is enough" turned into everything having 18 to 24 megapixels, thanks for coming to my tedx talk
I recently bought my first 'serious' camera, a canon 5D mark 2 along with a plastic fantastic 50mm F/1.8. And I absolutely love it. It's bulky, heavy, shutter is loud, and it has a learning curve as compared to shooting with smartphone but the images it produces are absolutely awesome. The experience of shooting with a heavy brick with OVF and the beautiful images make me want to use it constantly. Highly recommend it to everyone!
I got a 5D Mark I for $100 a couple of years ago. Other than my EOS 620, my most entertaining camera to shoot with. jpegs out of it have so much charm. The camera is only about shooting pictures and nothing else. My EOS RP feels more like using a smartphone sometimes lol.
I advise you to buy a Canon EF 40mm F2.8 lens if possible. This is a very good glass. The sharpness is already at 2.8, has smooth calm edges, compactness, convenient focal length for the human eye, you can shoot even landscapes, even portraits. I highly recommend it!
Problem is that any time a reasonably popular RUclipsr suggests a decent affordable older camera, the price immediately triples wherever you go. We need some sort of secret society! 😁😁
@@NinnyHorseI don't see how him basically saying "this camera is cool but not worth keeping for me so I'll sell it" would lead to the prices going up significantly lol
As a mirrorless owner, I purchased a DSRL a few months ago and I have been blown away! Built like a tank, surprisingly fast, I love the controls, and lastly, I love that OVF!!! People love rangefinder cameras and pay thousands for a "street photography camera" but a DSLR with an OVF is perfect for that as well imo
I bet you that if 5 mainstream RUclipsrs start walking around with one you'll see prices triple! It's all about promoting new gear right now and people happily hand over their money to switch to a new cam every year! All my gear are from the 2012-18 era and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon!
@@nicolasguillenc that's awesome man, shoot whatever inspires you!! Sometimes what works for everyone else just doesn't click with you, and that's all cool
Depends what you are doing in the streets. Rangefinder, if used properly, is not blocking your left eye. For some of us it means safe framing while walking. And framelines gives you extra capabilities for fast and precise framing (cropping is for losers :) ). DSLR is nothing but tunnel vision. Yet, if no money for digital rangefinder, the Ricoh GRD, GR will do. Different shooting technique, but very effective on the streets. If you are into it :) . But overal DSLR is better tool for photos. OVF has no lag and else, battery lasts weeks. And AF is much more predictable, without useless complications. Just more needs to be known to be able to use it effectively.
Yep, the optical viewfinder is what I like the most about these older cameras. Kind-of the only reason I am still using Pentax cameras. And they make some nice optical viewfinders.
My issue with OFV is that I still can't take pictures that looks like what I see through it, idk why, when I look on the OFV I see what I want but when I took it's always different, the light that shades, the color, everything, maybe I still need to learn something but don't know what
@@MidNightBuoy That's when understanding the camera and its settings comes into place more... makes you think a little more, that is true. But I do enjoy them more than EVF.
I recently bought a DSLR after using a film SLR for my whole life because digital was a little too expensive back in 2007 for me to get into. I got a T5i and the kit lens for $200 and I'm getting some really nice shots on it. I'm picking up some cheap lenses after the holidays and I couldn't be happier. I even think my mom is buying me the Canon 50mm f1.8 lens for Christmas, even. It's amazing to me how cheap this all was for the power my 14 year old camera still has.
I have a T3i with the 50mm 1.8 and I still get some great shots with it. Even old entry level DSLRs will produce way better pictures than phones if used well (but of course phones are more convenient).
It's a reason why I just don't want to go mirrorless. I really don't mesh with EVFs very well. Admitedly, I've never tried a really high-end one; but those I've tried (or owned in the case of the Sony a6000) just didn't do it for me at all.
Depends on the work you do. For example Olympus and OM Systems are the best for wedding photographer like me. Because my cameras are set up to display the image for 0.3 seconds after I take it. This is a big help in avoiding mistakes. Weddings there are no do overs and they can be very stressful at times.
From a pragmatic standpoint, nothing beats an EVF with instant feedback to your exposure compensation dial. It’s just a tool and all that matters are the resulting prints.
The biggest mistake is to assume mirrorles are BETTER than (D)SLR, they are simply DIFFERENT, they have, as you mentioned at the end of the video, Disadvantages and Advantages each over the other system, to make the roundup complete also Rangefinder in comparison, EVF and OVF. I'm lucky i have not to crawl through 100+ cameras, but still 30+ (most anlog from Minox to Linhof) is really enough.
I have an old Pentax K5 IIs (that, due to a nearby vineyard fire, the camera and my work got published in some bigger name publications) that I absolutely adore. It's not a CCD sensor, but it DOES work phenomenally with my old film camera lenses. Shooting that camera is absolutely a happy place for me. ... But it still feels like a modern upgrade cause I shoot way more film than digital 😅
One thing that earlier DSLRs with crop sensors, like the Nikon D40 and D80, offered was their relatively compact bodies and lighter weight, especially compared to the "flagship" models like the D3, or even the weight of the D700. Now that I don't HAVE to choose one of the old DSLRs I find myself more likely to pick up my smaller D80 and take it with me on an excursion or holiday.
Yes D700 is a massive brick, it certainly makes me feel more PRO everytime I take it in my hand. Then I realize it's only PRO-sumer camera and go back to my D40
Excellent program. Ex pro here-I made all my money shooting for big companies with a 12 megapixel DSLR - the amazing Nikon D3. Genuinely waterproof too.
Yes I love my Nikon DSLRs, but my recently bought used Z5 has better colour science than I thought it would. I bought a Nikkor 28mm f3.5 Ai last week and was blown away with how it renders on the Z5. Most reviewers say the D3X is a really bad camera, but I've had mine nearly 6 years and I love it. The D200 is great too. 😊
Started with film slr's. (yeah I feel old). Then my first dslr was the Canon EOS 450D, after that the 7D, and then lastly the 5Dmkii. They were all great and taught me so much, but I went mirrorless and have not looked back other than for nostalgic reasons. Mostly I miss my 5Dmkii. Got a Minolta 7D a few years back, and have a pretty ok collection of slr's. The Minolta produces great images, but the convenience and IQ of mirrorless full frame paired with old glass is hard to beat. That's another tip - buy and adapt old lenses if you've got a mirrorless camera and like the vintage look.
My Sony a7RII is the camera I usually bring with me when I want to shoot some birds, or some indoors shots in low light, but... I got my hands on an unused, in box, Minolta 7D (the plastic protector were still on the screen *high pitch screams of delight*) a couple of years ago and I love it. It's technically lacking compared to the Sony, but I'm having a lot more fun shooting with my Minolta. The colours are great, usually looks allmost perfect straight from the camera. It also feels like an analog slr when I'm using it, with great controls and a screen so lacking that I usually don't bother using it, so I don't get to see the photos untill I get home.
Your point on the OVF really got me thinking about when I had a mirrorless camera and the one thing that I never really got on with was the EVF. Yes you can. See the exposure before you take the photo so that made it faster to shoot. The issue with that for me was the fact that I could see the photo before I took the shot so that lessened the experience for me. I love trying to solve the problem of exposure and using the meter on the DSLR with the OVF is the fun part for me. I also love just trying to get the exposure right in one shot on the DSLR. The feel of actually making an image is why I love shooting on them more than a mirrorless body. Yes you can get the images faster but does that make them better? Yes a mirrorless body is great with all the newer features but if you strip all those features away for a beginner photographer will he or she be able to accomplish making the same image without all the help. I say that it actually holds him or her back from becoming a great photographer. Now I am not one of those guys that just wants things left the way that they are in fact I love my tech and I use it all the time but when it comes to making a photo I want the experience of making the photo instead of being handed a photo.
I'm taking a Nikon D90 on holiday this week, rather than anything newer, because I just love the quality of the pictures (and it handles low-light in auto way better than anything I can try to figure out, manually)!
Preach it brother. DSLR are my favorite style. Keep going back to my original Pentax K10d. Wonderful DSLR bult like a tank and has lasted over 14 years! Thanks for sharing!
Thankfully I picked up a few second-hand DSLRs 'before it was cool', and I managed to grow my collection without breaking the bank too much. It all started with a Nikon D200, which was my first foray into DSLRs, coming from a Nikon Coolpix 8800, a bridge camera. Now I also have a D700, a D2Hs, a Canon 40D, a Fujifilm S5 Pro, an Olympus E-1, E-300, E-420, and it's really difficult to choose a favourite. The colours and mood I get from the E-1 and the Fuji S5 Pro are something else, but so are certain results from the Nikon D700 and D2Hs, which I'm told resemble film photos. As you say, these are different tools that can each inspire in different ways. I tend to go with my mood and the day's general mood. You know? Today's a 'Nikon D200' kind of day, and I know that the results I get will reflect, with their colours and atmosphere, the mood I was feeling. Cheers! //Rick
I love my Nikon D200. It takes the pictures I have in my mind. The photos look better than the reality. The focus is super fast and I have it set up to focus on what's closest. It bothers me to have out of focus things in front of my subject. I loved my Canon 5D, fast focus too, but it always focused behind the subject. I've always wanted a Nikon D810. There's something magical about the way that sensor renders landscapes. I recently purchased an Olympus refurb. and I have to admit, I love it. Getting older, had to lighten the load.
Wow, Snappy! I thought I needed professional help for owning 18-ish cameras. Against 120 cameras that you have, I feel like a toddler. Great video! You spoke a lot of truth!
Try the original 24-120 AF-D lens. I love the range and while it’s a screw drive focus motor it’s still fast enough. Image quality is great and it makes a nice, one lens solution for a minimalist kit.
@jayabramson6702 I have the 24-120 f4 AF-S that normally lives on my D780. It's a great lens but really big and heavy to carry around all day. For the Df I think a better standard zoom is the 28-70 f/3.5-4.5 D
@ I was referring to the older f/3.5-5.6. It’s not nearly as heavy as the f/4 version. The zoom range is more versatile than the 28-80.
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A Nikon D200 paired with a 35mm f/1.8 lens (52 mm equivalent) and you're good to go. The D200 is still a very capable camera on broad day light until ISO800 in color mode and 1600 in B&W.
Just recently bought my first old DSLR, a Nikon D700! As someone who only has shot mirrorless before I was shocked at how much I loved it. Affordable, incredible colors, and full frame! Looking to put a split prism focusing screen in soon. Highly recommend :)
Even after close to 30 years of photography, and gone from film to digital, and now a working professional in the imaging making space with some of the latest and most capable mirrorless and cinema camera, picking up a M240 last year changes my perspective of photography entirely. It was just so liberating to have a optical viewfinder rangefinder on mechanical lenses that connect with the user, the M platform really bridge the best of the both analog and digital world. P.S. I finally picked up a mint condition F828!
I always say that modern mirror cameras have an improved cell phone photography look. They are undoubtedly sharper or generate a sharpening effect and it seems to me that the software is perhaps doing too many things there. When I use an old DSLR camera, for example D700 or D3 but even some first mirrors like the EM-5, the images look much more natural to me, I mean, what I see in the photograph is very similar to what I was seeing with my own eyes. The same thing happens with the "science of color", there are Sony cameras with CCD that have a fairly faithful color science but then, you take an APSC for example an A6000 and from a blue sky it makes a blue sky as if you had put a polarizer , (not to mention skin tones). Luckily there are many good old cameras available with optics that are also great, many with the precious 3D effect that today is almost impossible to see in low-mid range lenses.
Love your videos and THANK YOU for this one! I owned a Minolta X-370...a sports car of a camera (the magic of autofocus!) and went digital with a Sony A200 so that I could use my Minolta lenses. Oh, boy...loved it and learned so much...that camera was amazing with those old Minolta lenses. To this day I think the best of my photos came out of that camera. And an SLT-A37. When the image stabilizer broke on both of those, I tried a Pentax K5 and like it too, awesome camera... but it just doesn't have the feel of those Alphas. So I bought a like-new K10D for not much money, just for kicks. Also have loved some older digicams, like a Lumix LX5 that are just fun to use and can produce really nice images.
I have and use a Pentax K-5, it has 16.3 MP and it is the only camera I'll ever need. I also have and use a Pentax K-110D, it still works and only has like six MP. 📷📷📷📷📷
I've been an old camera fan for a long time. Back in the days of film I would regularly grab just about any camera I could find at a thrift store or yard sale; and, as I have heard you say, digital has been prevalent long enough that old digital cameras can be fun to play with. My first serious DSLR was a Canon 40D, which was groundbreaking at the time, now it's just an obsolete camera, to some. It was my "taking a walk" camera until it died a while back. Canon wouldn't repair it, my favorite small repair shop says they can't. Canon wants to sell me a refurbished 80D, but that's just not the same. I know I can get another 40D in pretty good shape for only a few dollars, but that's not my beloved 40D. Back when I was shooting on the job with my 40D, and it was beginning to show signs of age, a friend gave me a shiny, new 7D as a gift. It proved quite a step up from the 40D, but spent a lot of time at a Canon repair shop costing me money while the old 40D filled in. The 7D died a long time ago, and the repair situation is about the same as with the 40D. Last summer, a neighbor gave me a 7D in excellent condition, so it goes on hikes with me now. I've been building a small collection of older digital cameras over the years, I was delighted to discover you. Your existence means I'm not as weird as I've been told. I am a firm believer that you can never have too many cameras. Thank you, and keep these videos coming, it's a treat learning about these venerable jewels hiding out there waiting for me to go find them and play with them.
I still have and occasionally use my 2005-ish Olympus E500...it has the 8MP Kodak CCD sensor which gives beautiful colour rendition and contrast ratios...slow as a wet week to process RAW images so buffering times are high...no live view on the rear LCD so all framing done via the optical viewfinder which I prefer, except for doing those low or high angle shots! It has some foibles of age with metering now becoming somewhat of a lottery. Terrible in low light but I still love using it when the conditions are right. I also have two Canon 60D's, a Canon 6Dmkii and a Fuji X-S10...and a vintage Zeiss Ikon Nettar 515/2 folding camera - full manual, no focus or exposure aids, no viewfinder to speak of...so I have a very varied set of tools to play with...not as many as you of course.
I'm still using a Pentax K5 to this day. I use iPhone for video so with the camera market having shifted towards vlogging I really want a camera focussed on stills and the K5 still produces great photos. The viewfinder is another reason I stick with it, as you suggest in the video.
@@snappiness What I really want to know is which camera would replace my K5 from the modern crop of products. After the Pentax I find the menus on my wife's Fuji counterintuitive and the build quality is not as good as the K5. However, I also don't want to live in the past if sensors to make DSLRs are no longer going to progress and thereby production will cease. My main concerns are viewfinder quality and battery life with mirrorless. The rear screens on most cameras don't come close to phone quality - well you know the issues!
My main camera is my 5D MKII!! Takes incredible pictures especially with my 70-200 2.8L and my edits in Photolab 8. Tge DXO sharpening and noise reduction breathes new life into my images!
I still have my 2009 Pentax K20D, and used it just last week. It has a Katzeye split image and microprism ring focusing screen with the high brightness option, and a Pentax Magnifier Eyecup that increases viewfinder magnification by 1.18 times; I'm sure you've already guessed it's set up for manual focus lenses. The camera certainly gives a different rendering to my K3 and K3iii.
Popup flashes are not unique to older cameras though. They also have never really been entirely useful. If flash photography is something you want/need to do, pick up a 15 year old flash, those still work great.
I've gotten into photography over the past two years and my current collection is: Nikon D200, Nikon D7100 and a Panasonic Lumiux G2 because I wanted to try mirrorless and the Micro4/3 system was cheap enough for me to "get my feet wet" with. I still find myself going out with the D200 and 7100 far more often than the G2 because I really like the process of finding a shot, lining it up with the viewfinder and then making sure I have the image framed perfectly before I take the shot. There's something kinda therapeutic about looking through an optical viewfinder and seeing exactly what the lens/sensor is seeing as opposed to an electronic viewfinder or just using the back screen as with the G2.
I'm really happy with my Canon EOS 100d and EOS 1100d. The number of pictures you can take with a DSLR if you keep the display turned off is great, too.
I'm a semi professional and STILL have a 5Dii in my camera bag as my trusted backup body 😊... its reliable and just keeps going and going & deliver VERY good quality photos if you know how to handle it properly when shooting
I freaked out when he included it @0:23 : it hardly qualifies as "old" as it is still in production as the slightly upgraded K-1ii. Moreover it has a CMOS sensor, not the older CCD type which he discusses @2:30. It has a 36Mpx sensor which is in the same ball park as other modern ILCs rather than the 10Mpx and under he is talking about @1:02. You won't get one for "about $100" either. It's "oldness" is not being mirrorless.
This video popped up at an interesting time. I was going to sell ALL of my Canon DSLR's and lenses and switch to Olympus mirrorless. (Don't get me started on micro 4/3 quality.....it's there.) I bought an Olympus OM D EM-1mirrorless camera and some lenses, which is an amazing piece of technology, but I just can't make myself break away from DSLR's with optical viewfinders. The technology in this Olympus is astonishing for it's age! The body has 5 stop image stabilization, and when used with a lens with image stabilization, the results are phenomenal! But for some reason, I just can't make the switch. I will continue to build a micro 4/3 system for some specific jobs I do, but I don't think I can part with all of the Canon DSLR gear I have. Micro 4/3 is more than capable of producing incredible results, but I prefer less technology from DSLR's of days gone past. I have a Canon 5D Mark IV, and I set it to the most basic settings possible.....either aperture priority or manual mode, and I use a center focus point and do the "focus/recompose" method. I have a Canon 10D and 20D (6 and 8 megapixel respectively), and I used to shoot weddings with those cameras. Higher megapixels are nice, but not a necessity. Thanks for posting!!
I've always been pretty adamant about using older gear, it started out that way because I was broke, I still am, but I was then too. That being said though, I use a d3s, a pair of them, and have a d700 that I keep around since I picked up the second d3s. The results of those 15 year old bodies are still amazing, and if something happens to them, they are DIRT cheap to replace. I've bought a few d700s, never paid more than $200, d3s, $300. They're built like tanks, and considering their age, handle low light incredibly well. All that being said though, I do want to pick up a mirrorless body to get into video and adapting vintage glass. The f mount is very limited on that front, I caught the bug when I picked up a few vintage lenses (Helios 81m, Nikkor 105 f2.5 PC, Rokinon 17mm f3.5, etc)
Picked up an old 6D this year as an entry way into full frame. Zero regrets, I often pick it over my newer bodies if fast autofocus isn't of concern to me
I've had my Canon EOS 40d since new in 2008, still works well. I added an EOS M to shoot video with but still use the 40d quite a bit. They can be had dirt cheap now for what they are.
Shooting with an OVF really connects you to the scene you’re looking over. Also the more tactile the ergonomics of DSLRs/SLRs give me greater connection with the images I create, I feel I’m making the picture not the camera
Great video!! I shoot on both mirrorless and DSLR systems. But lately, I've been gravitating toward my Nikon D300 as an everyday camera. It's been so much fun to use with a manual 28mm lens for street photography. Plus the camera is built like a tank!
Great video, I have an old Nikon D200 with an entry level lens and I have lots of fun with it. It is glitchy and makes you slow down and just enjoy taking pics.
I still have 3 DSLRs alongside my mirrorless, and I use them just as much. The simplicity is nice and with Magic Lantern they are beasts. And yes, the optical viewfinder just can't be beat
2005 is when I started my dslr career. Back then these things were magical. Very few today have ever experienced the magic in real time back in the day
Loving my new to me Nikon D700, it makes a nice companion for my 10 year old D7100 that I bought new. No need for mirrorless while one or both still work.
I have owned or used literally 100s of cameras over the years (work in a camera shop for 10+ years). Despite I love my A7III for regular assignment stuff, my old trusty Leica M9 with CCD and Nikon Df with optical viewfinder are by far my fav cameras. Love the ''problems'' they give me, and indeed therefore boost the way I look without coming back with 1000s of images, but rather a few I am happy with.
I have several mirrorless cameras but recently got a Pentax K-x. OVF, 12Mp, a jillion K-mount lenses, and Shake Reduction. And mine is lime green. What's not to love?
One of the key reasons why are am now preferring my Nikon D200 and D300s is because I felt that my latest digital camera sensors are optimised for technical perfection, colour over-saturation (nee Fujifilm) and sheer elimination of any lens character now. Paired with 1970 - 90s lenses, these camera produce, to my eyes, a better look and feel of what my "analogue" eyes see and what my brain see process the images that I see. Hope you know what I mean.
I like both. I love being able to preview my image as I'm taking a picture on a mirrorless viewfinder and I love the charm and familiarity of an optical viewfinder. For me the main point is that these cameras became capable of easily taking beautiful images about 20 years ago. I held out for the first 5 years of digital because CCD sensors did _not_ look like or act like film. But as the tech came along, they became capable of making beautiful images of their own. Now, many of those fully evolved cameras are practically being given away as people upgrade for features many barely use. And these wonderful cameras are inexpensive and the barrier to trying them out is very low. It actually reminds me of that time I was holding out. I was buying film cameras for next to nothing. I bought a Pentax 6x7 in great working order with a 105 f2.4 for about $120 which I still have and use. And Mamiya TLRs with big lens sets for about the same. Who will ever want to use these things, the sellers were thinking. These DSLRs that blew people's minds in 2010 didn't get worse over time. Pros were using them to take incredible pictures then and there's nothing stopping anyone getting the same kind of images out of them now.
another thing to keep in mind, part of the change in colors on older vs newer cameras may be due to the different dyes used in the older color filter arrays, they may let in a slightly different amount of light to each channel.
I still shoot with my canon 6D mk1. I never really understood what the mirrorless hubbub was about. You can make a smaller camera…but they make them bigger anyway because they’re more comfortable to hold. Optical viewfinders are better on batteries. You have more dedicated buttons with a DSLR. If we like cameras that get out of the way, a DSLR is just as good and sometimes limiting your options on purpose inspires creativity. Try shooting everything with just 1 fixed focal length lens for a while.
Having used an R6 and 6D, the images from them aren't very different but the accuracy of autofocus and even moreso light metering is a big boost to speed. But I also use a 5D classic and the images from even it are superb. 6D is even better specs and lowlight and has wifi for transfering to your phone. Throw a 40mm 2.8 on that thing and just use the hell outta it, it's so good. Faithful -2 contrast is my favorite look as it's simply true-to-life as you saw it. I'll edit the raw if I want to spice it up for print.
I can get my head around modern mirrorless cameras; I own a Canon R50, and I like it a lot for capturing accurate and detailed images. But when I want to shoot something really memorable, I'll grab my Nikon D40X (CCD sensor) or my Canon 5D (full frame CMOS). My current favorite walkabout camera is my Panasonic G5, a M4/3 mirrorless camera that handles like a small DSLR and has _amazing_ reach.
I love old digitals, I have Canon EOS 300D and 3 adapters: OM, Pentax and M42, and I love photos taken with this combination, old DSLR + way older lenses 🙂
I recently picked up a Nikon d300 with battery grip for just under 100 pounds (~130 USD) and I love the thing. This is coming mostly from film and borrowed digital stuff. Took it on a trip and got some truly stunning pics with it. It does show it's age but it's built like a tank and 12mpx is plenty for my hobby uses
This past month spent part of my holiday bonus on 4 different cameras with ccd sensors, all between $40 and $90 each. Also bought a mix of zoom and prime 2 Canon and 3 Nikon lenses in a price range of $30 to $70 each. Just want to give them a try and may be resold next summer or handed out to nephews and neices.
My old Canon SL2 has a optical viewfinder. It can also shoot in live mode like a mirrorless without viewfinder. Of course I have my M6 mark II that I still say is the best Under $1000 mirrorless camera. The SL2 is the camera I got when I learned real photography.
A Nikon D700 and a 50mm F1.8 can be had for well under $500 USD -- that's the world we live in. I love my modern Nikon mirrorless kit for work, but if I was shooting solely for fun? There's almost no casual shooting scenario I couldn't accomplish with a D700; portraits, landscapes, lifestyle, even some amount of action/sports. It's 12MP of pure Nikon goodness, vintage 2008.
agree. I just bought a D700 with only 15k shutter count, a 50 1.4D and a 28mm 2.8D for 400€. Amazing colors/"rendering", even for night photography up to iso 6400.
And even the D800 is cheap, and it's a brick powerhouse like the D700 but higher megapixels and dynamic range for landscape or such. I've never used the d700 but I do have the 5D original with 12.7mp and it still packs a punch despite the extra years older.
Thanks for your video. I only buy DSLR’s that are minimum 10 years old and that were top notch in their era. They have to have low shutter counts and be from impeccable sellers who, for the most part are Japanese. Being Nikons it opens up the world of Nikkor lenses cos they have the same lens mount. This way I have great range of options which keeps photography interesting. Because they aren’t really expensive I can pick and choose from the Nikon range and I’ve found that each of them have their own strengths and flaws so each DSLR can serve a different purpose just as lenses do. I don’t have any plans for mirrorless though I have one micro for thirds for street photography. It works for me and older DSLR’s are a great place to start peoples photography journey. No point spend thousands of $$ when they can start out with really good lens & camera for a couple of hundred dollars. After all it’s the images that count & I’ve taken lovely photos on 6 & 10 megapixel cameras. Also there are a plenty of ‘tutorials’ on YT for people to assist people to get the best out of their cameras
@@nikobuerk346 true, even at 25.600 ISO, i made 19cmx13cm prints and they still look VERY good. I still have the 6D but besides low light/high iso, in normal/good light MUCH MORE prefer the 5D1, 5DII or Nikon D700 (this also excels for night photography, up to iso 6400). ALL of these have MUCH better color than the 6D, and more importantly, a distinct "rendering" and "feel" to the pictures.
Get a Canon 5D classic, It does everything great, it's only true weakness is not good dynamic range in landscapes but that can be overcome with bracketing and the use of grad filters. The sensor on the 5D classic is amazing.
I own 2 top mirrorless cameras the R6 and R5, however, I prefer my 5D Mark IV which I will never get rid of. To this day my best photos were taken with an 8mp DSLR. So I agree with you 100%.
I love old DSLRs ! That's why I have one for everyday of the month. 31 DSLRs. My favorites are the Nikon D300 and Pentax K5. The real reason I have so many is that they are cheap. I shoot a hell of a lot and I don't want to ware out the shutters. (250 to 350 shots a day) I have newer, higher MP DSLRs Nikon D7100 and Pentax K3 but their images use up a lot of space on my computer. For what I do with my images 12 and 16 MP is just fine. I don't think I could stand an electronical viewfinder. I started out with a Pentax K1000 back in 1977, and optical viewfinders are all I know and want. I prefer the look of the output I get from my old cameras. It may sound crazy but the image from a D300 looks better to me than one from a D7100.
For photographers that don't want to or need to do much post-production the older DSLRs are really great. I use the latest and greatest (Nikon Z8) for my work, but recently picked up a D80 for $69 (chuckle). During some recent headshot sessions I grabbed the D80 with an old 28-105 Nikkor zoom and took a few shots. One just happened to make the cut as the client's favorite, and I had no problem delivering it to her. And since the resolution wasn't there to do a lot of work on it, the retouching was quick and easy. From looking closely at the files I'd compare the resolution to fairly high resolution 35mm film scans or slightly better.
In short, you will not have the space for editing that a larger file gives you, but it is still an advantage in this case. And your testimony shows that a good photo, even if it was taken with a mid-range DSLR camera almost 20 years ago, is still a good photo.
I stumbled upon your channel not too long ago and I really enjoyed your videos on old cameras and your discussions around it. I also learned some things too from your Haul videos. haha! Til now, I'm still using my Nikon D750, which is a 10 year old camera this year, for my work and leisure. There's definitely a charm of using an optical viewfinder and I feel like I'm more connected with my camera by it when I'm shooting. I'm not hating on mirrorless camera btw, I kinda need one for my work to perform faster and I'm aiming for a Nikon Z. And I agree, a DSLR is still a great choice to learn full Manual photography today on a budget and for its controls and handling. I'll definitely keep this D750 forever tho. There are a lot of F Mount Lenses that has character and affordable too!
I have a Nikon Z50 and I do love it.... But I will never give up my D500 nor mi D750. You said it, there is something romantic looking and compose through a real view finder!!!!! I am 65, and still love to use my trusty Nikon FG with Black and White film Photography, than I digitize the negatives with my D750 and a macro lens, my Nikkor 60mm f2.8 macro from the 90's... What a magnificent feeling....😍🤩🤪
I just bought a Fuji S5 Pro and a Tamron 15-30 f/2.8. Still wrapping my head around proper exposure (the metering system is a little weird) and finding colour settings I like, but I'm really enjoying the learning process so far
Been with Canon EOS 1300D for 7-8 years. Wanted to change it and move to mirrorless or medium format, but they're so expensive! I wish my photography would have paid me something to upgrade. Yet, 1300D still serves my needs with a proper combination of lens.
I like the argument and points you made. I think old DSLR's are great for beginners. However, my big reason to move to mirror less was the size reduction and I do like the overall improvement in image quality. There is a vibrancy and a higher level of detail with my mirror less that I could never achieve with my old DSLR..which makes cause it's newer but besides that point. I do miss the optical viewfinder but I feel the tradeoff in image quality and size reduction was worth it. For someone with a newer camera I can't see too much of point in grabbing an old DSLR besides not being worried about it getting broken or stolen
I actually recently brought a Sony A99V which is an SLT (single lens translucent) camera so it’s kind of a cross between a DSLR and a mirrorless camera I brought it since it had a full frame 24 megapixel sensor and it uses sony a mount so I can get quite a lot of cheap lenses for it and I also love the screen since it can move in lots of directions and it also has GPS tagging, which is a nice feature (V model only) I have also used my grandfather‘s old Camera (his current one is a Sony A300) which was a Minolta Dynax 7D and my A99 reminds me quite a lot of that Camera since they have a very similar atmosphere to them (metal body, lots of buttons, locking dials, beautiful looking) And I really do love that 7D although it has some limitations for being such an old Camera (it has a CCD sensor so it has pretty bad noise at anything above 400 ISO and to make it worse it’s an APS-C sized sensor so worse noise)
If I'm going to be focusing on a matte screen, I'd rather go medium format or large format. Experience the best of the best if you're going to go backwards, and there's little that's better than focusing on a huge focusing screen, like a 6x7 format or 4x5 Graflex.
i own three mirrorless, full frame,sony cameras for work. I love them. But i also love the sony a99, their older slt, so much i just went and bought my second one .
I have a Minolta 7D and an Olympus E510 - both are great cameras that still produce wonderful pictures. Best part of the Konica Minolta 7D is it is basically identical in layout and lens mount as my Minolta Alpha/Dynax/Maxum 7 35mm film camera - so they make a perfect pair to carry around and use.
I bought my used canon 1d for 140GBP ,which still using ccd and i love how it capture the image , sometimes more favourable than the canon 5D3 when i still uaing those years The 1D have a white balance and dof priority mode which can do auto caulculate F stop setting by measure near and far point you want to in focus and vola 😂 both missing in newer model which is sad Only problem is hard to find a battery and charger for it
Here's a quick one just getting my thoughts out there while purging my camera collection. I love old DSLRs man.
I still have a real nostalgic love for the Canon EOS 350D, which was my first ever DSLR. A tiny part of me is tempted to pick another one up one of these days (although I shoot with a Nikon D610 nowadays) because I genuinely think it was responsible for some of the best photos I ever made. A fantastic little workhorse camera
to give people some context, 4K UHD is ONLY 8.3 MEGAPIXELS
That's 8M full color triplet pixels though. DSLR pixels are one color measured and two colors interpol..ished. (and then humans cant see color detail so it's fine again)
And most images on the Internet are under 2 megapixels.
People are going too hard on the pixel chase but I bet you most of them do not use me than 6 mp for delivery.
@ I think high-pixel photography won’t reveal its value until 10, maybe 20 years from now. I have to facelift an old website, but those digital images were too small to display properly on a high resolution monitors, AI restoration can only do so much at this point. So get high res images if storage isn’t an issue.
@@haeikou huh, don't think I actually realized this.
@@MiniTruckMatt Look at how describe EVFs and camera displays as "3 million, uh, pixels" when they are 1280x960x3. That's where it breaks down. Also why "6MP is enough" turned into everything having 18 to 24 megapixels, thanks for coming to my tedx talk
I recently bought my first 'serious' camera, a canon 5D mark 2 along with a plastic fantastic 50mm F/1.8. And I absolutely love it. It's bulky, heavy, shutter is loud, and it has a learning curve as compared to shooting with smartphone but the images it produces are absolutely awesome. The experience of shooting with a heavy brick with OVF and the beautiful images make me want to use it constantly. Highly recommend it to everyone!
Despite having newer and “better” cameras the Canon 5Dii is still the camera I use when asked to do portraits.
i just ordered one on ebay for £80, looking forward to using it, i've used the mark i before so hopefully this is just even better
I got a 5D Mark I for $100 a couple of years ago. Other than my EOS 620, my most entertaining camera to shoot with. jpegs out of it have so much charm. The camera is only about shooting pictures and nothing else. My EOS RP feels more like using a smartphone sometimes lol.
I owned a canon R5.. but there a times a clicked with my 5dmark 3 .. there is something about DSLR the simplicity of DSLR that i can't let go.
I advise you to buy a Canon EF 40mm F2.8 lens if possible. This is a very good glass. The sharpness is already at 2.8, has smooth calm edges, compactness, convenient focal length for the human eye, you can shoot even landscapes, even portraits. I highly recommend it!
Problem is that any time a reasonably popular RUclipsr suggests a decent affordable older camera, the price immediately triples wherever you go. We need some sort of secret society! 😁😁
I wish they recommend the Sony A900 and A850 so I could get rid of them.
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he just had a video going over cameras hes selling, so of course hes gonna use his platform to promote n fire up the market so he can make his buck...
@@NinnyHorseI don't see how him basically saying "this camera is cool but not worth keeping for me so I'll sell it" would lead to the prices going up significantly lol
As a mirrorless owner, I purchased a DSRL a few months ago and I have been blown away! Built like a tank, surprisingly fast, I love the controls, and lastly, I love that OVF!!! People love rangefinder cameras and pay thousands for a "street photography camera" but a DSLR with an OVF is perfect for that as well imo
I bet you that if 5 mainstream RUclipsrs start walking around with one you'll see prices triple! It's all about promoting new gear right now and people happily hand over their money to switch to a new cam every year! All my gear are from the 2012-18 era and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon!
@@nicolasguillenc that's awesome man, shoot whatever inspires you!! Sometimes what works for everyone else just doesn't click with you, and that's all cool
Which model was it ?
Depends what you are doing in the streets. Rangefinder, if used properly, is not blocking your left eye. For some of us it means safe framing while walking. And framelines gives you extra capabilities for fast and precise framing (cropping is for losers :) ). DSLR is nothing but tunnel vision. Yet, if no money for digital rangefinder, the Ricoh GRD, GR will do. Different shooting technique, but very effective on the streets. If you are into it :) . But overal DSLR is better tool for photos. OVF has no lag and else, battery lasts weeks. And AF is much more predictable, without useless complications. Just more needs to be known to be able to use it effectively.
Yep, the optical viewfinder is what I like the most about these older cameras. Kind-of the only reason I am still using Pentax cameras. And they make some nice optical viewfinders.
My issue with OFV is that I still can't take pictures that looks like what I see through it, idk why, when I look on the OFV I see what I want but when I took it's always different, the light that shades, the color, everything, maybe I still need to learn something but don't know what
@@MidNightBuoy That's when understanding the camera and its settings comes into place more... makes you think a little more, that is true. But I do enjoy them more than EVF.
Absolutely love my Nikon D200 and Olympus E1. I feel the photos they take have much more character than the new cameras
More character in what way?
@@SomeUnremarkableGuy The image can laugh, cry, anger, disgust, fear and inside out
I got the D200 and D300 at a fleamarket for €100.
All my old Nikkor MF lenses can be used, what's not to love?
D200 aka old reliable 🤣
I recently bought a DSLR after using a film SLR for my whole life because digital was a little too expensive back in 2007 for me to get into. I got a T5i and the kit lens for $200 and I'm getting some really nice shots on it. I'm picking up some cheap lenses after the holidays and I couldn't be happier. I even think my mom is buying me the Canon 50mm f1.8 lens for Christmas, even. It's amazing to me how cheap this all was for the power my 14 year old camera still has.
I have a T3i with the 50mm 1.8 and I still get some great shots with it. Even old entry level DSLRs will produce way better pictures than phones if used well (but of course phones are more convenient).
Agreed - OVFs beat EVFs for photography every day. EVFs for videography are very useful, but they're quite soulless for photography in my experience
It's a reason why I just don't want to go mirrorless. I really don't mesh with EVFs very well. Admitedly, I've never tried a really high-end one; but those I've tried (or owned in the case of the Sony a6000) just didn't do it for me at all.
Depends on the work you do. For example Olympus and OM Systems are the best for wedding photographer like me. Because my cameras are set up to display the image for 0.3 seconds after I take it. This is a big help in avoiding mistakes. Weddings there are no do overs and they can be very stressful at times.
From a pragmatic standpoint, nothing beats an EVF with instant feedback to your exposure compensation dial. It’s just a tool and all that matters are the resulting prints.
The biggest mistake is to assume mirrorles are BETTER than (D)SLR, they are simply DIFFERENT, they have, as you mentioned at the end of the video, Disadvantages and Advantages each over the other system, to make the roundup complete also Rangefinder in comparison, EVF and OVF.
I'm lucky i have not to crawl through 100+ cameras, but still 30+ (most anlog from Minox to Linhof) is really enough.
I have an old Pentax K5 IIs (that, due to a nearby vineyard fire, the camera and my work got published in some bigger name publications) that I absolutely adore. It's not a CCD sensor, but it DOES work phenomenally with my old film camera lenses. Shooting that camera is absolutely a happy place for me.
... But it still feels like a modern upgrade cause I shoot way more film than digital 😅
That 16mp sensor is insane, really really good.
The "S" version of the K5ii is insanely good for a 12 yo camera
@@snappiness agreed. I think it was one of the first to go without an AA filter.. I love the trendsetting nature of Pentax
Still loving my D700. Still an amazing camera even if only 12 mp.
One thing that earlier DSLRs with crop sensors, like the Nikon D40 and D80, offered was their relatively compact bodies and lighter weight, especially compared to the "flagship" models like the D3, or even the weight of the D700. Now that I don't HAVE to choose one of the old DSLRs I find myself more likely to pick up my smaller D80 and take it with me on an excursion or holiday.
Yes D700 is a massive brick, it certainly makes me feel more PRO everytime I take it in my hand. Then I realize it's only PRO-sumer camera and go back to my D40
I keep using my K1 markII it’s effortless use of the vintage lenses and new lenses makes it special.
Excellent program. Ex pro here-I made all my money shooting for big companies with a 12 megapixel DSLR - the amazing Nikon D3. Genuinely waterproof too.
Yes I love my Nikon DSLRs, but my recently bought used Z5 has better colour science than I thought it would. I bought a Nikkor 28mm f3.5 Ai last week and was blown away with how it renders on the Z5. Most reviewers say the D3X is a really bad camera, but I've had mine nearly 6 years and I love it. The D200 is great too. 😊
I like optical viewfinder over EVF, anything battery dependent can be a problem
Teslas, for example !
@@timothykieper Agree! My next project is to put peddles on EVs.
Started with film slr's. (yeah I feel old). Then my first dslr was the Canon EOS 450D, after that the 7D, and then lastly the 5Dmkii. They were all great and taught me so much, but I went mirrorless and have not looked back other than for nostalgic reasons. Mostly I miss my 5Dmkii. Got a Minolta 7D a few years back, and have a pretty ok collection of slr's. The Minolta produces great images, but the convenience and IQ of mirrorless full frame paired with old glass is hard to beat. That's another tip - buy and adapt old lenses if you've got a mirrorless camera and like the vintage look.
I use a Nikon D40x with an 18 70 afs and a Nikon D40 with a 18 55 VR lens. I love them both. CCD sensor cameras.
That's a beautiful sensor. Same on as the D50 and D70, I believe.
@@milesian1 they say that all 4 of these have the same sensor in them. I had 3 of them, and they had slightly different output, subtle but noticeable.
My Sony a7RII is the camera I usually bring with me when I want to shoot some birds, or some indoors shots in low light, but... I got my hands on an unused, in box, Minolta 7D (the plastic protector were still on the screen *high pitch screams of delight*) a couple of years ago and I love it. It's technically lacking compared to the Sony, but I'm having a lot more fun shooting with my Minolta. The colours are great, usually looks allmost perfect straight from the camera. It also feels like an analog slr when I'm using it, with great controls and a screen so lacking that I usually don't bother using it, so I don't get to see the photos untill I get home.
Your point on the OVF really got me thinking about when I had a mirrorless camera and the one thing that I never really got on with was the EVF. Yes you can. See the exposure before you take the photo so that made it faster to shoot. The issue with that for me was the fact that I could see the photo before I took the shot so that lessened the experience for me. I love trying to solve the problem of exposure and using the meter on the DSLR with the OVF is the fun part for me. I also love just trying to get the exposure right in one shot on the DSLR. The feel of actually making an image is why I love shooting on them more than a mirrorless body. Yes you can get the images faster but does that make them better? Yes a mirrorless body is great with all the newer features but if you strip all those features away for a beginner photographer will he or she be able to accomplish making the same image without all the help. I say that it actually holds him or her back from becoming a great photographer. Now I am not one of those guys that just wants things left the way that they are in fact I love my tech and I use it all the time but when it comes to making a photo I want the experience of making the photo instead of being handed a photo.
I'm taking a Nikon D90 on holiday this week, rather than anything newer, because I just love the quality of the pictures (and it handles low-light in auto way better than anything I can try to figure out, manually)!
Preach it brother. DSLR are my favorite style. Keep going back to my original Pentax K10d. Wonderful DSLR bult like a tank and has lasted over 14 years! Thanks for sharing!
Pentax K10 was one of the last commercial ccd cameras before the cmos sensors with all their image processing took over
Thankfully I picked up a few second-hand DSLRs 'before it was cool', and I managed to grow my collection without breaking the bank too much. It all started with a Nikon D200, which was my first foray into DSLRs, coming from a Nikon Coolpix 8800, a bridge camera. Now I also have a D700, a D2Hs, a Canon 40D, a Fujifilm S5 Pro, an Olympus E-1, E-300, E-420, and it's really difficult to choose a favourite. The colours and mood I get from the E-1 and the Fuji S5 Pro are something else, but so are certain results from the Nikon D700 and D2Hs, which I'm told resemble film photos. As you say, these are different tools that can each inspire in different ways. I tend to go with my mood and the day's general mood. You know? Today's a 'Nikon D200' kind of day, and I know that the results I get will reflect, with their colours and atmosphere, the mood I was feeling. Cheers! //Rick
I love my Nikon D200. It takes the pictures I have in my mind. The photos look better than the reality. The focus is super fast and I have it set up to focus on what's closest. It bothers me to have out of focus things in front of my subject. I loved my Canon 5D, fast focus too, but it always focused behind the subject. I've always wanted a Nikon D810. There's something magical about the way that sensor renders landscapes. I recently purchased an Olympus refurb. and I have to admit, I love it. Getting older, had to lighten the load.
Wow, Snappy! I thought I needed professional help for owning 18-ish cameras. Against 120 cameras that you have, I feel like a toddler. Great video! You spoke a lot of truth!
@@Mostlyphotography83 haha, happy to make you look sane anytime 🤣
I imported a Nikon Df from Japan a month ago, and bought some AF-D lenses on ebay for it. I'm absolutely loving it.
Try the original 24-120 AF-D lens. I love the range and while it’s a screw drive focus motor it’s still fast enough. Image quality is great and it makes a nice, one lens solution for a minimalist kit.
@jayabramson6702 I have the 24-120 f4 AF-S that normally lives on my D780. It's a great lens but really big and heavy to carry around all day. For the Df I think a better standard zoom is the 28-70 f/3.5-4.5 D
@ I was referring to the older f/3.5-5.6. It’s not nearly as heavy as the f/4 version. The zoom range is more versatile than the 28-80.
A Nikon D200 paired with a 35mm f/1.8 lens (52 mm equivalent) and you're good to go. The D200 is still a very capable camera on broad day light until ISO800 in color mode and 1600 in B&W.
Just recently bought my first old DSLR, a Nikon D700! As someone who only has shot mirrorless before I was shocked at how much I loved it. Affordable, incredible colors, and full frame! Looking to put a split prism focusing screen in soon. Highly recommend :)
Even after close to 30 years of photography, and gone from film to digital, and now a working professional in the imaging making space with some of the latest and most capable mirrorless and cinema camera, picking up a M240 last year changes my perspective of photography entirely. It was just so liberating to have a optical viewfinder rangefinder on mechanical lenses that connect with the user, the M platform really bridge the best of the both analog and digital world.
P.S. I finally picked up a mint condition F828!
I always say that modern mirror cameras have an improved cell phone photography look. They are undoubtedly sharper or generate a sharpening effect and it seems to me that the software is perhaps doing too many things there. When I use an old DSLR camera, for example D700 or D3 but even some first mirrors like the EM-5, the images look much more natural to me, I mean, what I see in the photograph is very similar to what I was seeing with my own eyes. The same thing happens with the "science of color", there are Sony cameras with CCD that have a fairly faithful color science but then, you take an APSC for example an A6000 and from a blue sky it makes a blue sky as if you had put a polarizer , (not to mention skin tones). Luckily there are many good old cameras available with optics that are also great, many with the precious 3D effect that today is almost impossible to see in low-mid range lenses.
Love your videos and THANK YOU for this one! I owned a Minolta X-370...a sports car of a camera (the magic of autofocus!) and went digital with a Sony A200 so that I could use my Minolta lenses. Oh, boy...loved it and learned so much...that camera was amazing with those old Minolta lenses. To this day I think the best of my photos came out of that camera. And an SLT-A37. When the image stabilizer broke on both of those, I tried a Pentax K5 and like it too, awesome camera... but it just doesn't have the feel of those Alphas. So I bought a like-new K10D for not much money, just for kicks. Also have loved some older digicams, like a Lumix LX5 that are just fun to use and can produce really nice images.
I have and use a Pentax K-5, it has 16.3 MP and it is the only camera I'll ever need. I also have and use a Pentax K-110D, it still works and only has like six MP. 📷📷📷📷📷
I've been an old camera fan for a long time. Back in the days of film I would regularly grab just about any camera I could find at a thrift store or yard sale; and, as I have heard you say, digital has been prevalent long enough that old digital cameras can be fun to play with.
My first serious DSLR was a Canon 40D, which was groundbreaking at the time, now it's just an obsolete camera, to some. It was my "taking a walk" camera until it died a while back. Canon wouldn't repair it, my favorite small repair shop says they can't. Canon wants to sell me a refurbished 80D, but that's just not the same. I know I can get another 40D in pretty good shape for only a few dollars, but that's not my beloved 40D. Back when I was shooting on the job with my 40D, and it was beginning to show signs of age, a friend gave me a shiny, new 7D as a gift. It proved quite a step up from the 40D, but spent a lot of time at a Canon repair shop costing me money while the old 40D filled in. The 7D died a long time ago, and the repair situation is about the same as with the 40D. Last summer, a neighbor gave me a 7D in excellent condition, so it goes on hikes with me now.
I've been building a small collection of older digital cameras over the years, I was delighted to discover you. Your existence means I'm not as weird as I've been told. I am a firm believer that you can never have too many cameras.
Thank you, and keep these videos coming, it's a treat learning about these venerable jewels hiding out there waiting for me to go find them and play with them.
I still have and occasionally use my 2005-ish Olympus E500...it has the 8MP Kodak CCD sensor which gives beautiful colour rendition and contrast ratios...slow as a wet week to process RAW images so buffering times are high...no live view on the rear LCD so all framing done via the optical viewfinder which I prefer, except for doing those low or high angle shots! It has some foibles of age with metering now becoming somewhat of a lottery. Terrible in low light but I still love using it when the conditions are right. I also have two Canon 60D's, a Canon 6Dmkii and a Fuji X-S10...and a vintage Zeiss Ikon Nettar 515/2 folding camera - full manual, no focus or exposure aids, no viewfinder to speak of...so I have a very varied set of tools to play with...not as many as you of course.
I'm still using a Pentax K5 to this day. I use iPhone for video so with the camera market having shifted towards vlogging I really want a camera focussed on stills and the K5 still produces great photos. The viewfinder is another reason I stick with it, as you suggest in the video.
@@classicaloracle smartphones for video are super good. Most things people want to film for stuff like RUclips anyway can look great on smartphones.
@@snappiness What I really want to know is which camera would replace my K5 from the modern crop of products. After the Pentax I find the menus on my wife's Fuji counterintuitive and the build quality is not as good as the K5. However, I also don't want to live in the past if sensors to make DSLRs are no longer going to progress and thereby production will cease.
My main concerns are viewfinder quality and battery life with mirrorless. The rear screens on most cameras don't come close to phone quality - well you know the issues!
My main camera is my 5D MKII!! Takes incredible pictures especially with my 70-200 2.8L and my edits in Photolab 8. Tge DXO sharpening and noise reduction breathes new life into my images!
I still have my 2009 Pentax K20D, and used it just last week. It has a Katzeye split image and microprism ring focusing screen with the high brightness option, and a Pentax Magnifier Eyecup that increases viewfinder magnification by 1.18 times; I'm sure you've already guessed it's set up for manual focus lenses. The camera certainly gives a different rendering to my K3 and K3iii.
Still love my Nikon D750. The other thing it has you didn’t mention is the pop up flash. Always handy for a little fill light when the light drops.
Popup flashes are not unique to older cameras though. They also have never really been entirely useful. If flash photography is something you want/need to do, pick up a 15 year old flash, those still work great.
I've gotten into photography over the past two years and my current collection is: Nikon D200, Nikon D7100 and a Panasonic Lumiux G2 because I wanted to try mirrorless and the Micro4/3 system was cheap enough for me to "get my feet wet" with. I still find myself going out with the D200 and 7100 far more often than the G2 because I really like the process of finding a shot, lining it up with the viewfinder and then making sure I have the image framed perfectly before I take the shot.
There's something kinda therapeutic about looking through an optical viewfinder and seeing exactly what the lens/sensor is seeing as opposed to an electronic viewfinder or just using the back screen as with the G2.
I'm really happy with my Canon EOS 100d and EOS 1100d. The number of pictures you can take with a DSLR if you keep the display turned off is great, too.
I'm a semi professional and STILL have a 5Dii in my camera bag as my trusted backup body 😊... its reliable and just keeps going and going & deliver VERY good quality photos if you know how to handle it properly when shooting
My Nikon D750 is my main DSLR. I bought a Canon 5D Classic 4 yrs ago & the output of the 5d is still amazing!
Oops, I bought a k-1 yesterday 🙈
lol same, got a screaming deal on a mark ii and a 77 limited to go with it
@@incohesiveglue that's a heck of deal in its own right. Rock on
How is the result ?
I freaked out when he included it @0:23 : it hardly qualifies as "old" as it is still in production as the slightly upgraded K-1ii. Moreover it has a CMOS sensor, not the older CCD type which he discusses @2:30. It has a 36Mpx sensor which is in the same ball park as other modern ILCs rather than the 10Mpx and under he is talking about @1:02. You won't get one for "about $100" either. It's "oldness" is not being mirrorless.
This video popped up at an interesting time. I was going to sell ALL of my Canon DSLR's and lenses and switch to Olympus mirrorless. (Don't get me started on micro 4/3 quality.....it's there.)
I bought an Olympus OM D EM-1mirrorless camera and some lenses, which is an amazing piece of technology, but I just can't make myself break away from DSLR's with optical viewfinders. The technology in this Olympus is astonishing for it's age! The body has 5 stop image stabilization, and when used with a lens with image stabilization, the results are phenomenal!
But for some reason, I just can't make the switch. I will continue to build a micro 4/3 system for some specific jobs I do, but I don't think I can part with all of the Canon DSLR gear I have.
Micro 4/3 is more than capable of producing incredible results, but I prefer less technology from DSLR's of days gone past. I have a Canon 5D Mark IV, and I set it to the most basic settings possible.....either aperture priority or manual mode, and I use a center focus point and do the "focus/recompose" method.
I have a Canon 10D and 20D (6 and 8 megapixel respectively), and I used to shoot weddings with those cameras. Higher megapixels are nice, but not a necessity.
Thanks for posting!!
I've always been pretty adamant about using older gear, it started out that way because I was broke, I still am, but I was then too. That being said though, I use a d3s, a pair of them, and have a d700 that I keep around since I picked up the second d3s. The results of those 15 year old bodies are still amazing, and if something happens to them, they are DIRT cheap to replace. I've bought a few d700s, never paid more than $200, d3s, $300. They're built like tanks, and considering their age, handle low light incredibly well.
All that being said though, I do want to pick up a mirrorless body to get into video and adapting vintage glass. The f mount is very limited on that front, I caught the bug when I picked up a few vintage lenses (Helios 81m, Nikkor 105 f2.5 PC, Rokinon 17mm f3.5, etc)
When everyone was shooting film the CCD sensors made a more familiar look similar to film making it easy for photographers to transition to digital.
Picked up an old 6D this year as an entry way into full frame. Zero regrets, I often pick it over my newer bodies if fast autofocus isn't of concern to me
I bought one recently as well. Lovely colours and sensor, and I enjoy the simplicity of the camera.
I've had my Canon EOS 40d since new in 2008, still works well. I added an EOS M to shoot video with but still use the 40d quite a bit. They can be had dirt cheap now for what they are.
Shooting with an OVF really connects you to the scene you’re looking over. Also the more tactile the ergonomics of DSLRs/SLRs give me greater connection with the images I create, I feel I’m making the picture not the camera
Dang! I hope I can shake your hand one day dude!! I couldn't agree more & love that you are helping so many people hear these ideas!!
I recently picked up a Sigma SD15 and I'm enjoying the change in my process from using modern hardware
I bought a Canon 5D from 2005, best decision ever. I carry it around everywhere. Today I shot with it in the subway and it was a JOY to use.
Great video!! I shoot on both mirrorless and DSLR systems. But lately, I've been gravitating toward my Nikon D300 as an everyday camera. It's been so much fun to use with a manual 28mm lens for street photography. Plus the camera is built like a tank!
Great video, I have an old Nikon D200 with an entry level lens and I have lots of fun with it. It is glitchy and makes you slow down and just enjoy taking pics.
just bought a 1d mark ii n and i am having a blast. the colors, the feels in my hand. everything is so different from my little m50
I still have 3 DSLRs alongside my mirrorless, and I use them just as much. The simplicity is nice and with Magic Lantern they are beasts. And yes, the optical viewfinder just can't be beat
2005 is when I started my dslr career. Back then these things were magical. Very few today have ever experienced the magic in real time back in the day
Loving my new to me Nikon D700, it makes a nice companion for my 10 year old D7100 that I bought new. No need for mirrorless while one or both still work.
I have owned or used literally 100s of cameras over the years (work in a camera shop for 10+ years). Despite I love my A7III for regular assignment stuff, my old trusty Leica M9 with CCD and Nikon Df with optical viewfinder are by far my fav cameras. Love the ''problems'' they give me, and indeed therefore boost the way I look without coming back with 1000s of images, but rather a few I am happy with.
I have several mirrorless cameras but recently got a Pentax K-x. OVF, 12Mp, a jillion K-mount lenses, and Shake Reduction. And mine is lime green. What's not to love?
Name the jillion lenses please!!!
@@XXX-vy6xv I think it is a typo: should be killion; j is next to k on the keyboard. 🙂
One of the key reasons why are am now preferring my Nikon D200 and D300s is because I felt that my latest digital camera sensors are optimised for technical perfection, colour over-saturation (nee Fujifilm) and sheer elimination of any lens character now. Paired with 1970 - 90s lenses, these camera produce, to my eyes, a better look and feel of what my "analogue" eyes see and what my brain see process the images that I see. Hope you know what I mean.
I like both. I love being able to preview my image as I'm taking a picture on a mirrorless viewfinder and I love the charm and familiarity of an optical viewfinder. For me the main point is that these cameras became capable of easily taking beautiful images about 20 years ago. I held out for the first 5 years of digital because CCD sensors did _not_ look like or act like film. But as the tech came along, they became capable of making beautiful images of their own. Now, many of those fully evolved cameras are practically being given away as people upgrade for features many barely use. And these wonderful cameras are inexpensive and the barrier to trying them out is very low.
It actually reminds me of that time I was holding out. I was buying film cameras for next to nothing. I bought a Pentax 6x7 in great working order with a 105 f2.4 for about $120 which I still have and use. And Mamiya TLRs with big lens sets for about the same. Who will ever want to use these things, the sellers were thinking.
These DSLRs that blew people's minds in 2010 didn't get worse over time. Pros were using them to take incredible pictures then and there's nothing stopping anyone getting the same kind of images out of them now.
another thing to keep in mind, part of the change in colors on older vs newer cameras may be due to the different dyes used in the older color filter arrays, they may let in a slightly different amount of light to each channel.
I still shoot with my canon 6D mk1. I never really understood what the mirrorless hubbub was about. You can make a smaller camera…but they make them bigger anyway because they’re more comfortable to hold. Optical viewfinders are better on batteries. You have more dedicated buttons with a DSLR. If we like cameras that get out of the way, a DSLR is just as good and sometimes limiting your options on purpose inspires creativity. Try shooting everything with just 1 fixed focal length lens for a while.
Having used an R6 and 6D, the images from them aren't very different but the accuracy of autofocus and even moreso light metering is a big boost to speed. But I also use a 5D classic and the images from even it are superb. 6D is even better specs and lowlight and has wifi for transfering to your phone. Throw a 40mm 2.8 on that thing and just use the hell outta it, it's so good. Faithful -2 contrast is my favorite look as it's simply true-to-life as you saw it. I'll edit the raw if I want to spice it up for print.
Judging by the comments, this video brings pure snappiness. All I can add is a heartfelt hear, hear!
I can get my head around modern mirrorless cameras; I own a Canon R50, and I like it a lot for capturing accurate and detailed images. But when I want to shoot something really memorable, I'll grab my Nikon D40X (CCD sensor) or my Canon 5D (full frame CMOS). My current favorite walkabout camera is my Panasonic G5, a M4/3 mirrorless camera that handles like a small DSLR and has _amazing_ reach.
I love old digitals, I have Canon EOS 300D and 3 adapters: OM, Pentax and M42, and I love photos taken with this combination, old DSLR + way older lenses 🙂
I recently picked up a Nikon d300 with battery grip for just under 100 pounds (~130 USD) and I love the thing. This is coming mostly from film and borrowed digital stuff. Took it on a trip and got some truly stunning pics with it. It does show it's age but it's built like a tank and 12mpx is plenty for my hobby uses
I had the Fuji S2Pro. Beautiful camera, Fuji colors are fantastic. Now I have the Canon 5D classic, the cheapest full frame money can buy. ❤
My Nikon D50 is my favorite camera.. next to the Leica digilux 2
This past month spent part of my holiday bonus on 4 different cameras with ccd sensors, all between $40 and $90 each. Also bought a mix of zoom and prime 2 Canon and 3 Nikon lenses in a price range of $30 to $70 each. Just want to give them a try and may be resold next summer or handed out to nephews and neices.
My old Canon SL2 has a optical viewfinder. It can also shoot in live mode like a mirrorless without viewfinder. Of course I have my M6 mark II that I still say is the best Under $1000 mirrorless camera. The SL2 is the camera I got when I learned real photography.
A Nikon D700 and a 50mm F1.8 can be had for well under $500 USD -- that's the world we live in. I love my modern Nikon mirrorless kit for work, but if I was shooting solely for fun? There's almost no casual shooting scenario I couldn't accomplish with a D700; portraits, landscapes, lifestyle, even some amount of action/sports. It's 12MP of pure Nikon goodness, vintage 2008.
agree. I just bought a D700 with only 15k shutter count, a 50 1.4D and a 28mm 2.8D for 400€. Amazing colors/"rendering", even for night photography up to iso 6400.
And even the D800 is cheap, and it's a brick powerhouse like the D700 but higher megapixels and dynamic range for landscape or such. I've never used the d700 but I do have the 5D original with 12.7mp and it still packs a punch despite the extra years older.
Thanks for your video. I only buy DSLR’s that are minimum 10 years old and that were top notch in their era. They have to have low shutter counts and be from impeccable sellers who, for the most part are Japanese. Being Nikons it opens up the world of Nikkor lenses cos they have the same lens mount. This way I have great range of options which keeps photography interesting. Because they aren’t really expensive I can pick and choose from the Nikon range and I’ve found that each of them have their own strengths and flaws so each DSLR can serve a different purpose just as lenses do.
I don’t have any plans for mirrorless though I have one micro for thirds for street photography. It works for me and older DSLR’s are a great place to start peoples photography journey. No point spend thousands of $$ when they can start out with really good lens & camera for a couple of hundred dollars. After all it’s the images that count & I’ve taken lovely photos on 6 & 10 megapixel cameras. Also there are a plenty of ‘tutorials’ on YT for people to assist people to get the best out of their cameras
I really like the waist level finders on my TLRs Rollieflex and Yashica 124 and analogue film.
I recently bought an old 6D classic for ~$150
The 6D isn’t really that old… I just upgraded from mine. Its weakest point is the AF.
Dang $150 is a solid deal. They typically range $350-$450 depending on condition! Howd you managed that? Nice find
The colour science on the 6D is something else - don't know what they changed from 5D II but they nailed it on the 6D. Miss mine sometimes.
@@tomperry9034 not to mention you have the ability to shoot at wild ISO settings and actually get amazing results
@@nikobuerk346 true, even at 25.600 ISO, i made 19cmx13cm prints and they still look VERY good. I still have the 6D but besides low light/high iso, in normal/good light MUCH MORE prefer the 5D1, 5DII or Nikon D700 (this also excels for night photography, up to iso 6400). ALL of these have MUCH better color than the 6D, and more importantly, a distinct "rendering" and "feel" to the pictures.
DSLRs are brilliant. I have picked up a used D3 and D90 and they work incredibly well considering the age of those cameras.
I'm fine with K-3 and 5D MKII. And mobile phone for video. Not missing mirrorless at all.
Get a Canon 5D classic, It does everything great, it's only true weakness is not good dynamic range in landscapes but that can be overcome with bracketing and the use of grad filters. The sensor on the 5D classic is amazing.
I own 2 top mirrorless cameras the R6 and R5, however, I prefer my 5D Mark IV which I will never get rid of. To this day my best photos were taken with an 8mp DSLR. So I agree with you 100%.
I love old DSLRs ! That's why I have one for everyday of the month. 31 DSLRs. My favorites are the Nikon D300 and Pentax K5. The real reason I have so many is that they are cheap. I shoot a hell of a lot and I don't want to ware out the shutters. (250 to 350 shots a day) I have newer, higher MP DSLRs Nikon D7100 and Pentax K3 but their images use up a lot of space on my computer. For what I do with my images 12 and 16 MP is just fine. I don't think I could stand an electronical viewfinder. I started out with a Pentax K1000 back in 1977, and optical viewfinders are all I know and want. I prefer the look of the output I get from my old cameras. It may sound crazy but the image from a D300 looks better to me than one from a D7100.
For photographers that don't want to or need to do much post-production the older DSLRs are really great. I use the latest and greatest (Nikon Z8) for my work, but recently picked up a D80 for $69 (chuckle). During some recent headshot sessions I grabbed the D80 with an old 28-105 Nikkor zoom and took a few shots. One just happened to make the cut as the client's favorite, and I had no problem delivering it to her. And since the resolution wasn't there to do a lot of work on it, the retouching was quick and easy. From looking closely at the files I'd compare the resolution to fairly high resolution 35mm film scans or slightly better.
In short, you will not have the space for editing that a larger file gives you, but it is still an advantage in this case.
And your testimony shows that a good photo, even if it was taken with a mid-range DSLR camera almost 20 years ago, is still a good photo.
I stumbled upon your channel not too long ago and I really enjoyed your videos on old cameras and your discussions around it. I also learned some things too from your Haul videos. haha!
Til now, I'm still using my Nikon D750, which is a 10 year old camera this year, for my work and leisure. There's definitely a charm of using an optical viewfinder and I feel like I'm more connected with my camera by it when I'm shooting. I'm not hating on mirrorless camera btw, I kinda need one for my work to perform faster and I'm aiming for a Nikon Z. And I agree, a DSLR is still a great choice to learn full Manual photography today on a budget and for its controls and handling.
I'll definitely keep this D750 forever tho. There are a lot of F Mount Lenses that has character and affordable too!
I have a Nikon Z50 and I do love it.... But I will never give up my D500 nor mi D750. You said it, there is something romantic looking and compose through a real view finder!!!!! I am 65, and still love to use my trusty Nikon FG with Black and White film Photography, than I digitize the negatives with my D750 and a macro lens, my Nikkor 60mm f2.8 macro from the 90's... What a magnificent feeling....😍🤩🤪
Canon 5D with some old Super Takumar M42 mounts lenses…. Sweet sweet setup for pocket money. :)
I just bought a Fuji S5 Pro and a Tamron 15-30 f/2.8. Still wrapping my head around proper exposure (the metering system is a little weird) and finding colour settings I like, but I'm really enjoying the learning process so far
For sure I love the concept of being able to see what the lens sees.
Been with Canon EOS 1300D for 7-8 years. Wanted to change it and move to mirrorless or medium format, but they're so expensive! I wish my photography would have paid me something to upgrade. Yet, 1300D still serves my needs with a proper combination of lens.
I like the argument and points you made. I think old DSLR's are great for beginners. However, my big reason to move to mirror less was the size reduction and I do like the overall improvement in image quality. There is a vibrancy and a higher level of detail with my mirror less that I could never achieve with my old DSLR..which makes cause it's newer but besides that point. I do miss the optical viewfinder but I feel the tradeoff in image quality and size reduction was worth it. For someone with a newer camera I can't see too much of point in grabbing an old DSLR besides not being worried about it getting broken or stolen
The issue of image quality is quite debatable. You can read the comments of Nigel Danson's comparison between a Nikon Z7 and a Nikon D200.
I actually recently brought a Sony A99V which is an SLT (single lens translucent) camera so it’s kind of a cross between a DSLR and a mirrorless camera
I brought it since it had a full frame 24 megapixel sensor and it uses sony a mount so I can get quite a lot of cheap lenses for it and I also love the screen since it can move in lots of directions and it also has GPS tagging, which is a nice feature (V model only)
I have also used my grandfather‘s old Camera (his current one is a Sony A300) which was a Minolta Dynax 7D and my A99 reminds me quite a lot of that Camera since they have a very similar atmosphere to them
(metal body, lots of buttons, locking dials, beautiful looking)
And I really do love that 7D although it has some limitations for being such an old Camera
(it has a CCD sensor so it has pretty bad noise at anything above 400 ISO and to make it worse it’s an APS-C sized sensor so worse noise)
If I'm going to be focusing on a matte screen, I'd rather go medium format or large format.
Experience the best of the best if you're going to go backwards, and there's little that's better than focusing on a huge focusing screen, like a 6x7 format or 4x5 Graflex.
Still on my PENTAX KIII and still happy, it is the pic not the camera.
i own three mirrorless, full frame,sony cameras for work. I love them. But i also love the sony a99, their older slt, so much i just went and bought my second one .
I learned more about photography from my Canon tlb in the 70's than any camera I've owned since then.
I have a Minolta 7D and an Olympus E510 - both are great cameras that still produce wonderful pictures. Best part of the Konica Minolta 7D is it is basically identical in layout and lens mount as my Minolta Alpha/Dynax/Maxum 7 35mm film camera - so they make a perfect pair to carry around and use.
You also have freaking IBIS on the mintolta 7D.. thats insane for how old that camera is
I got a Sony A100 already, now youre making me look at other Sony DSLR models... 😁
F80 and some black and white film always gets me out of a slump
My favourite SLR system is the Hasselblad H Series, followed by the Nikon F2 and F5.
I bought my used canon 1d for 140GBP ,which still using ccd and i love how it capture the image , sometimes more favourable than the canon 5D3 when i still uaing those years
The 1D have a white balance and dof priority mode which can do auto caulculate F stop setting by measure near and far point you want to in focus and vola 😂 both missing in newer model which is sad
Only problem is hard to find a battery and charger for it
Lots of valid points here! Hoarders unite!