Dai Miller demonstrates why lutenists rest the little finger on the soundboard.
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Wow, the lute is one heck of a beautiful sounding instrument.
It is, but tuning them, and getting them to stay in tune is a bit of a chore, particularly with gut strings.
It's not so bad if the pegs are fitted well and kept in fairly stable humidity. There are a lot of bad examples of "lutes" sold on EBay that put people off, for good reason.
Not when I play 😂
wonderful demonstration, thank you!
very nice
So informative. Addictive.
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he's at Lustleigh in Devon. Wow!
He was... it was cold as I remember!
In this video it can be seen that, when playing scales with thumb and index, alternatim the top and bottom of a double course get the heavier stroke. Is it possible at all to avoid that scales on the lower courses (tuned in octaves) sound like "octave hopping"?
who made that lute?
The oud is still played with an eagle's quill.
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@@davidjaggs thanks
I've seen hybrid picking on medieval Lute like jazz guitarists do so the adjacent string rule doesn't apply then, how come ?
Hi John. Thanks for watching. Not sure I understand your question?
Hard to convey but say if you play the 5th course with the quill you could still play a chord together without strumming it using middle finger and ring finger on any string combination. So 5th course, 2nd course and 1st course played together....no need to strum the chord surely they would have done this in medieval times or am I wrong? I see modern medieval Lute players doing this, can you clarify please. No reflection on this video intended it's a joy to watch.
@@johnpeck6144 hi... It's not me playing, so I can't really answer... There are a few videos with David miller here on RUclips.
@@davidjaggsOkay can you pass on the question to Dai Miller please I wasn't aware of that
1:24 Excuse me, is it correct to play down strokes with the index finger?
I think that he didn't have a quill to hand...
@@davidjaggs nonsense he is specifically demonstrating the technique, it would be ridiculous to do something that wasn't accepted technique, when you are trying to demonstrate and discuss technique, simply because one " didn't have a quill to hand"
at 1:48 he plays a whole scale with up and down strokes of the index finger.
@@Philrc Although it does look a bit like it, he is not actually playing downstrokes with the index finger. If you look closely you will see that the thumb hits the strings on the downstrokes. The illusion of his index finger hitting the strings on the downstrokes seems to arise because the thumb is on the inside of the palm and because during the thumb's downstroke he concurrently moves his index finger outward to put it in position for the next upstroke.
@@Achsje yes looking again i think you're right
When I was learning how to play the classical guitar, I remember reading the method, and it did mention putting the pinky on the soundboard like this. My teacher at the time told me it was outmoded. I think it should also be outmoded in this instrument.
Do you think history is a linear progression of improvements?
tell that to mark knoppfler buddy
@@taylordiclemente5163, as certain things in music and politics how us, not always. But we should learn from the past, or we're condemned to repeat their mistakes. Nothing wrong with standing in the shoulders of willing giants.
@@ZagorTeNayebo, I will tell it to whoever wants me to tell them or asks me. It's my experience and opinion, dear.
@@josesolismusic resting the pinky is very helpful for navigating instruments with diatonic basses, like the baroque lute and theorbo
Yes, but why don't modern oud players rest the little finger?
my belief is that resting the little finger on the table is to stabilize right hand when you need with your thumb to go strike the 10, 11, 12, 13, 14th cord ! So, probably useless on oud ???
I once read that in early organ and clavichord playing (IIRC still in Bachs time but I am not sure anymore) the thumb was not used on the keyboard. From modern perspective it seems rather strange. Nevertheless, sometimes tradition is not the 'global optimum' of things, and there can be multiple lines of tradition favoring different styles.
@@jean-yvesPraxthis can't be true, because lutenists rested their small finger when the lute still had only four or five courses of strings.
The small finger stabilizes the hand and also serves as a fulcrum for the lower arm.
@@wirrbelcorrect, scales were played predominantly with index and middle fingers.
@@taylordiclemente5163 you're right, the smallest I play is a 7th courses lute, and in order to adopt the "thumb inside" position you've to move your arm such a way that the small finger "naturally" rest on the table. But I confirm that the greatest need of little finger on the table comes when your right thumb has to go strike open basses... with the permanent risk of striking the wrong one !!! 😱